Mariners Willing To Trade Cliff Lee Immediately?

Mariners' GM Jack Zduriencik has maintained that he is not yet willing to throw in the towel and trade ace lefty Cliff Lee, but Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com heard from two executives that Seattle is willing to deal him "immediately for the right offer." One of those executives predicted that he could be moved in the next seven to ten days, similar to the timetable the Indians used when dealing CC Sabathia two years ago.

By moving Lee now as opposed to waiting until the deadline, the Mariners could maximize their return since the acquiring team will be getting an extra month of the 2008 AL Cy Young Award winner. They'll also save a larger percentage of the approximately $4.94MM owed to Lee the remainder of the season, and of course reduce the risk of a trade value crippling injury.

Rosenthal's sources say that the Mets, Dodgers, and Rangers have all inquired about Lee, but many project the Twins as the front runner. The Mariners have scouted the Yankees' farm system, but the Yanks' scouting of Lee is just the team's routine coverage of a pitcher on their free agent wish list. They are happy with their five-man rotation at the moment.

Seattle is currently 14 games back in the AL West while Cleveland was 13.5 back when they dealt Sabathia. They received a four prospect package highlighted by Matt LaPorta and Michael Brantley, and the Mariners can reasonably expect a similar return for Lee. The 31-year-old lefty has made 11 starts this year after missing time with an oblique injury, and has pitched to a 2.39 ERA in 86.2 innings. He's struck out 76 and walked just four. 


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  1. Other than Wilson Ramos, what prospects are the Twins willing to trade?

    • Nicolas_C 5 years ago

      I think they have some infield prospects, like Trevor Plouffe and Danny Valencia. The Mariners have some question mark in the right side of their infield.

  2. jarg8 5 years ago

    whats funny is that the mariners probably wouldnt except the same prospects they gave to the phillies for lee, but thats what amaro gets for being an idiot and offering him to one team and then trading him less than a day after putting him on the market. Not one of those prospects will probably be in the top 100 prospect list they release mid-season yet the mariners should get a top 30 prospect.

  3. Lloydxmas 5 years ago

    Lee improves any teams chances…..i just don’t see a fit with the Yanks currently. A rotation of Sabathia, Lee, Burnett, and Pettite in the postseason would be filthy though. Yanks need a bench bat and a bullpen arm currently.

    • ReverendBlack 5 years ago

      It was basically never a possibility imo. The Yanks don’t mind paying, but they do mind paying twice.

  4. Twins need to offer a package that is better than Lee + 2 first round picks.

    Ramos/Revere + Blackburn/Slowey/Baker + LL prospect?

    • Lloydxmas 5 years ago

      I would like to see the Twins get Lee.

    • Msforever 5 years ago

      I think I’d be cool with Ramos, Revere, Slowey, or Ramos, Hicks, Slowey. I think it’s an overpay for the Twins, but you do that for Cliff Lee, especially if they can get him immediately. No Blackburn please. He’s no prospect.

  5. Spirit of '69 5 years ago

    It’s smart for the Mariners to move him sooner than later as with each passing day they lose leverage. The longer you wait, the less you get back. They have more leverage than the Astros have with Oswalt. Unless they really, really believe they can turn it around and make a legitimate move the time is now to trade him and get the best return possible.

    The Twins want him bad and the Mets have already indicated they’re willing to rent him. There will be other suitors including some who are completely under the radar. Field the best offers and move him now if you want the best return. Wait til the deadline and you’re going to be underwhelmed.

  6. Rich_in_NJ 5 years ago

    I think it’s a gambit designed to get teams to raise their offers.

  7. Infield Fly 5 years ago

    Whatever the M’s strategy, for the Mets, this report should definitely serve as “fair warning.” Omar [and his retainers] badly misread the market for John Lackey last winter, and although this turned out for the best, it is a major cautionary tale. If they’re serious about contending – and about Lee – they need to start gathering their pieces and act like they’re in this thing…before there’s nothing left to be into…

    • mikefichera 5 years ago

      I like Minaya’s approach towards these things he rarely gives up too much. When it comes to trades I’ve got good faith in Minaya.

    • CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

      I’ll echo what someone else said in another thread about the Mets possibly getting Lee. If they do, Ruben Amaro will need to be chaperoned around Philly in the same bulletproof bubble the Pope used.

      • bflaff 5 years ago

        Maybe. But no one in Philly fears the Mets. Maybe adding Lee would change that, but until the Mets are popping champagne while the Phils make vacation plans, Amaro will be fine. The team that really gets hosed in the Lee to NY scenario is the Braves, who have about one month to go (tops) before they’re looking up in the standings, regardless of where Lee winds up. Lee to the Mets would make the uphill climb for them that much tougher.

      • bflaff 5 years ago

        Maybe. But no one in Philly fears the Mets. Maybe adding Lee would change that, but until the Mets are popping champagne while the Phils make vacation plans, Amaro will be fine. The team that really gets hosed in the Lee to NY scenario is the Braves, who have about one month to go (tops) before they’re looking up in the standings, regardless of where Lee winds up. Lee to the Mets would make the uphill climb for them that much tougher.

    • What do you mean they misread the market? They absolutely made the right move not offering Lackey 5 years. Aside from that Wolf was the only SP with anything to offer and he got overpaid. Who could predict Garland would have this start?

  8. sportsnut969 5 years ago

    First off Rosen-wrong is at it again the Indians DID NOT receive 4 prospects for CC they received LaPorta – top prospect – Rob Bryson who was at Low A and a talent but wasn’t even a top 20 prospect at the time, and Zach Jackson who was not a prospect but a throw in that the Brewers was on the verge of releasing at the time of the deal and a player to be named later that was between Tyler Green and Brantley, the Indians chose Brantley towards the end of the season at the time Brantley was rated in the lower half of the top ten.

    As of right now that trade is looking like a hugh bust.

    Laporta hasn’t been able to hit major league pitching in 2 different tries with the big league club, he is looking more like a AAAA outfield where his power does not transfer to the majors.

    Brantley is a singles guy has not been able to hit major league pitching in 2 tries also, he is a 2 tool guy with below average speed and no POP or power . 60 games at the minors 7 stolenbases caught 4 times hitting around 285 with 3 homers 7 doubles ( had 3 in 1 game ) and 2 triples.
    He hasn’t developed into the guy they thought he would — this is not going to be the guy to replace Sizemore from what I see.

    Zach Jackson is out of baseball

    Rob Bryson had TJ Surgery and has recoved well and is now back on track and is looking like he will end up being the key to this deal IMO BB/K 1/5 and is doing a good job closing games out he is either at High A or AA how the plan is for him to make it to AAA next year and maybe help the big league club out in the bullpen.

    I think the Indians may include Brantley in one of their trades to try and upgrade at the CF prospect area. Maybe in a Carmona or Westbrook deal to help inprove the returning prospect play. I have heard they are interested in Bradley Holt Pitcher/ Kirk Nieuwenhuis centerfielder / and lower level finge players Robbie Sheilds and Zack Lutz.

    I know the Mets have contacted the Indians about Carmona so lets see if the Indians sell high. Or just hang onto him and dump Westbrook.

    • S8P7W 5 years ago

      Zach Jackson is currently playing for Las Vegas in the Pacific Coast League, Toronto’s AAA affiliate.

    • CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

      At the time though LaPorta was viewed as a ML-ready DH type that would step in and hit 30 HRs right from the get-go. He was one of the more premium prospect bats in baseball.

  9. CaseStreet 5 years ago

    The Mets don’t need Lee, we’re getting Big Z :)

  10. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    Twins: Ramos, Slowey, a B level guy
    Rangers: Scheppers, Font, Chris Davis
    Mets: Mejia or Flores, and whatever else they want to throw in

    I would like the M’s to make one of those deals. Preferably with the Rangers given how many good minor leaguers they have

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      Trade Davis for Smoak and Seattle will take that deal right now.

      • Belandsexo 5 years ago

        M’s would trade Lee straight up for Smoak. Texas would never be stupid enough to do that though. We’re not getting a player of that caliber back in any deal.

        • boy9988 5 years ago

          Which is exactly why i don’t think a Texas deal will work. Not that they don’t have the prospects, but that they won’t give up the one that we want. I think the whole “Seattle isn’t ready to throw in the towel” thing is just a smokescreen to not have to say no to team’s offers. Its one of those things where you negotiate with a guy that just stares at you and never says anything, so you just keep raising the offer. That way Seattle keeps everyone interested and bidding even though some offers they would never take.

          • Belandsexo 5 years ago

            There are a number of Texas players that we would want. Just because Smoak is their best young player, doesn’t mean that we would demand him. No competent GM would believe they could get Smoak for a rental. And you would have to be an idiot of a GM to cut off talks with Texas just because they won’t give you Smoak.

          • boy9988 5 years ago

            I agree, but that’s what makes a good negotiator. Being able to make your trade partner think your saying that without actually saying that. It doesn’t always work, but sometimes if they get desperate enough, they will include that once piece to get it done. Personally i would agree to take Chris Davis instead if Scheppers is in the deal.

  11. frank_costanza 5 years ago

    i still dont think its a good move to deal Lee right now. the mariners have Lee, Felix, and Vargas all going well right now, not to mention Fister was just activated from the DL. what happens if come the deadline the M’s have cut their deficit in half and are only 7gb? in that division, thats more than possible.

    • Belandsexo 5 years ago

      That doesn’t seem likely. It doesn’t matter that they have three guys going well. They have been awful on the road all season, and they are so bad offensively, that they more often than not will blow a great start from Lee, Felix, Vargas because the offense won’t score enough.

      Look at the game the other day. Felix threw a CG and they lost in extra innings anyway.

      This team isn’t contending for anything. Plus Vargas will not pitch this well all year. He’s done a great job, but he’s not going to finish the year with a sub 3.00 ERA. He has some regression coming his way.

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      Your not wrong. Seattle’s starters are doing awesome right now. But the bullpen is suspect with Lowe, Kelley, and Aardsma all gone. Aardsma will be back, but he is only the ninth inning. We can’t trust Sean White in the 7th or 8th anymore. And what is obviously worse is the offense. We cant hit our way out of a paper bag. Texas or anyone else doesn’t have to score more than a run or two to beat us. That’s why it is so painful to see Seattle do this. If only we had ponied up the doe to get Guerrero.

  12. alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

    Nobody ever mentions the Tigers, but they have the pieces to make a trade work, and could use another established starter in their rotation.1. Verlander2. Lee3. Bonderman4. Galaragga5. Porcello (When he comes back…)When the White Sox come back to Earth, this rotation would win the AL Central, and just looking at the first 2 pitchers they could get far in the postseason. Wouldn’t hurt for the Tigers to also look into trading for a shortstop, such as Stephen Drew.

    Edit: Forgot Scherzer, that would probably make Porcello the odd man out.

  13. Msforever 5 years ago

    4 walks in 86.2 innings? That is just morbidly obese.

  14. AngryPoster 5 years ago

    I agree that the M’s will have no problem trading with Texas and the deal mentioned above where the M’s get Chris Davis and Scheppers…………but if the Twins to Ramos and Slowey, there is no better deal out there.
    I don’t even like what the Mets really have to offer because even if the pony up a top prospect they won’t really offer much else and I think the M’s can get a package with 2 very good MLB ready players in it.
    To expand on the 4 walks in 86.2 innings, Lee is averaging almost 8 innings per start!!! Um, yeah you put him on a team that can score some runs and he’ll win 4 out of 5 games started and he’s nails in the post season so someone will pay a very hefty price for him because he’s the real deal and will take a team all the way if they have the players to support him.

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      If you look at Ramos career number, he doesn’t even match up with Adam Moore. Moore may have struggled thus far, but remember, he was platooned and has played all of about 35 games. So lets not write him off just yet. And even if we didn’t have Moore, Scheppers and Davis is still better.

      • Belandsexo 5 years ago

        There is something called tools and projection. Ramos has more defensive and offensive potential than Moore.

        • boy9988 5 years ago

          says you

          • Twins guy in the know here. All indications on the potential Twins trade front has Ramos, Slowey/Baker/Blackburn/Duensing, and a low-level prospect being what they’re willing to give up.

            But keep in mind, this is NOT the type of trade the Twins have EVER done. I’m as curious as you are if they’d actually do something like this.

            As for Ramos: He is a top-notch defensive catcher and has a high offensive ceiling with above average power at the Catcher position.

            He has thrown out over 40% of basestealers every year he has played and was voted the Top Defensive Catcher in the Florida State League (high-A) in 2008 by managers. Was injured most of last year while at AA, so he didn’t put up huge numbers, But despite that Coach Ron Gardenhire fought with the Front Office in Spring Training this year because he wanted Ramos on the MLB squad to start the season, which as I’ve outlined above, would have meant he never played a AAA game before making his MLB debut, thats the type of talent he has. He was also arguably the best player in the Winter League Season this past year (where a lot of MLB-level players play).

            Even though his AAA numbers don’t jump out at you right now, he’s a top-3 catcher prospect in all of baseball, and the Mariners aren’t going to get that type of player from any other team, and as a Twins fan, I’ll be pissed when he turns into an All-Star for your squad and Lee is nowhere to be found in a Twins uni if this actually happens.

          • Twins guy in the know here. All indications on the potential Twins trade front has Ramos, Slowey/Baker/Blackburn/Duensing, and a low-level prospect being what they’re willing to give up.

            But keep in mind, this is NOT the type of trade the Twins have EVER done. I’m as curious as you are if they’d actually do something like this.

            As for Ramos: He is a top-notch defensive catcher and has a high offensive ceiling with above average power at the Catcher position.

            He has thrown out over 40% of basestealers every year he has played and was voted the Top Defensive Catcher in the Florida State League (high-A) in 2008 by managers. Was injured most of last year while at AA, so he didn’t put up huge numbers, But despite that Coach Ron Gardenhire fought with the Front Office in Spring Training this year because he wanted Ramos on the MLB squad to start the season, which as I’ve outlined above, would have meant he never played a AAA game before making his MLB debut, thats the type of talent he has. He was also arguably the best player in the Winter League Season this past year (where a lot of MLB-level players play).

            Even though his AAA numbers don’t jump out at you right now, he’s a top-3 catcher prospect in all of baseball, and the Mariners aren’t going to get that type of player from any other team, and as a Twins fan, I’ll be pissed when he turns into an All-Star for your squad and Lee is nowhere to be found in a Twins uni if this actually happens.

  15. Eric 5 years ago

    Lee has been outstanding! I think the Mets have the right pieces to offer the M’s for the services of Cliff Lee. I would suggest a deal of RHP Jenrry Mejia, INF Reese Havens and C Josh Thole. I think this is a deal that would protect the Mets interest for this year and would help fill needs for the future in Seattle.

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      Fills your needs, not ours. ATTENTION ALL METS FANS!! IKE DAVIS OR NO DEAL!

      • Belandsexo 5 years ago

        That deal would definately be considered by Seattle.

        You aren’t getting Smoak or Davis, dude. And you would be a bad GM if you just cut off talks with these teams because they wont give you there current ML 1B. There isn’t a Gm in the game who would part with Smoak or Davis for a Lee rental

        • boy9988 5 years ago

          Exactly. I hold the best piece in Baseball. And no one has offered me anything i think is good enough to pass up the opportunity to sign Lee at the end of the season nor pass on two first round draft picks.

  16. The Twins will get him for Plouffe, Ramos, and slowey/blackburn/duensing. Baker is Gardy’s man, and slowey can be replaced easily with left hander duensing if need be. Ramos will clearly be the center point of the trade, and is truly a top rated prospect. Plouffe is a solid ss prospect, just needs a little more time to develop. The Mariners will be happy with whatever pitcher they get from the Twins, because lets face it….the let Silva ride the bp and collect on his huge contract. The Twins have what Seattle wants, and Seattle has what the Twins want.

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      omg…stop being homers. The Twins likely have the least of any kind of player Seattle wants. We do not need a catcher and you starters are average at best (except Baker). But they are the only ones willing to deal. FYI for all you Twins fans, The Rangers, Mets, Yankees, and Reds all have better players for Seattle, they just arn’t to the point of wanting to trade them yet. The Twins better hope Texas doesn’t get desperate enough to give in, cause they got some good stuff down there and there is no chance they can sign Lee next season, so we don’t have to worry about that.

      • yeah okay…the Rangers aren’t going after Lee, they want oswalt. That has been documented all along. The Twins have all kinds of money to spend, they have the richest owner in baseball, and Target Field has been drawing even more money than expected. The Twins can afford him, and his extension, thats a no brainer. Duensing took us to the playoffs, while the M’s were at home watching. But your right…the Twins don’t have players and prospects who can take you to the postseason…

        what a joke

        • boy9988 5 years ago

          Seattle has better pitching than most of the AL, including the Twins. Pitching isn’t this teams fatal flaw. Offense is. Specifically at 1B. Do you HW for once. And Texas likes Oswalt for the fact that he has a longer contract, but they cant get him because of their ownership problems that wont allow them to take on money. Any idiot with a newspaper would know this much about opposing teams.

        • CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

          The Rangers can’t get Oswalt. There’s a little something of a 26-ish million dollar caveat in the way. They can’t take on money… period. Even if they dealt for Lee some contracts may have to exchange hands to make the books balance.

  17. AngryPoster 5 years ago

    LOL…….”I know the M’s have a great team”…….LOL

    I’m a die hard M’s fan and there’s no way I could say all those words in that order when talking about the M’s!

    GREAT?!?! We are 12th of 14 American League teams….that’s great? Of the 30 teams in MLB there are only 5 teams that we are better than! ONLY 5!

    Come on guys, we have to at least be able to be honest about what we are and how the whole team of only defensive players has worked out for us. It’s failed! I’m a huge Jack Z fan, he’s got a plan but we have to call a spade a spade here….we are bad. We have some good players, some good parts of our team, but it’s a team and as a team we are really bad.
    I would dissagree with the guy who thinks the Twins have nothing we want, I actually think they do have exactly what Jack Z wants but time will tell on that.

    Oh and another thing….Texas will NOT get Oswalt because of the financial situation there and the 18 mil or whatever it is that Oswalt is still owed on his contract. Write it down, no Oswalt in TX.

    Cheers

  18. boy9988 5 years ago

    Most people forget that Seattle still has Bedard who could come up as early as July. Bedard isn’t Cliff Lee, neither before surgery and most definitely not after. But he ain’t too bad either. There is no way for Seattle to compete this year against Texas, but we could make a run. Texas is by no means unbeatable. Their pitching is average at best and their home ballpark does nothing to help them. If their opponents have the pitching to keep Texas off the scoreboard (a tall task), the Texas pitching staff will give them an opportunity to score against them. Seattle is a bad team because its offense is so bad, not because of its pitching. Give the M’s a true #3 hitter and the west would look a whole lot closer together than it is now.

  19. sportsnut969 5 years ago

    It blows my mind how so many mindless people think that the Mets a team trying to contend a starter off their team for a rental player.The only way Lee is dealt for a A type prospect is if Lee agrees to expend with the team receiving him or the A type prospect is a totally blocked prospect like Ramos.And for the above I don’t care were Zack Jackson is playin the point is that he still sucks has always sucked will never ever be a major leaguer and Rosenthal has no clue and is just a mindless rumor starter who is rarely gets it right.

  20. dshires4 5 years ago

    As a Mariners fan, here are my thoughts:Twins: Ramos is so overrated. If there is a Twins deal, it better be centered around an arm, or a top prospect recently drafted who sits in the low minors.Rangers: Justin Smoak + a pitcher, and I’d be happy. I’d be happy with Smoak straight up, actually. But if we could fetch Scheppers and Chris Davis, I’d be giddy.Mets: Ike Davis or no deal.

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      See you know what your talkin’ about. There is no way we could get that kind of a deal from Texas but we can all dream. As an M’s Fan, I hope we don’t trade with the Twins. There just isn’t anything good from their system that will help us right now.

    • Have fun with your two draft picks

  21. AngryPoster 5 years ago

    You should take yourself out behind the shed and beat your own back side Patrick if you think the M’s will end up taking the draft picks. That’s just stupid! We will get much better than 2 draft picks, because oh yeah the team who gets Lee from us will get those 2 draft picks when they lose him in free agency!

    Some of you guys just don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. We are not just trading a team Cliff Lee for a couple months, we are trading the best LH pitcher in the game right now giving you a chance to win a world series (which is what I think everyone’s goal is….right?), AND you get back 2 picks in the first round! So heck yeah the M’s are going to get a very nice deal for him. Get a clue then post!

    There is no way in the world the M’s will get back in this M’s fans, just deal with it and move on. Enjoy the team, great….hope they “get back in it” fine, getting back in it would be like 6 games out so ok maybe but probably not.

    Bedard, I’m glad someone brought him up because IF…..big IF he can throw well, we’ll also get a nice prospect or two for him at the deadline. He’s not going to help us win anything this year but he could help us in our building effort and for that he could have tons of value. Again, BIG IF!

  22. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    Yankees barely have interest in Lee. They have proven they won’t deal premiere prospects for a guy they can sign in the offseason.

    Mets may offer a good package.

    The M’s absolutely will deal with Texas. A lot of M’s insiders have already said that’s no problem.

    And there is no second half run coming. The team is 13-14 games out. Their playoff odds are like 2%.

  23. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    If they’re trading Lee, making a second-half run isn’t much in the cards anymore. They’ll definitely trade with the Rangers if it’s the best offer.

  24. boy9988 5 years ago

    I agree. The M’s will get Slowey or Baker out of the Twins plus a bat, if that’s where he is to go. The Twins prospects just arn’t the kind Seattle wants.

  25. boy9988 5 years ago

    Seattle wants players who can play right now. Not in 1-2 years. Seattle wants to break them into the majors the second half of the season. That’s the main reason the Dodgers are out. They are not going to deal Kemp, Ethier, or Loney and the rest of their chips are like you said, in A or AA ball.

  26. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    Who has been hitting lately. We have nobody hitting. Guti has slowed down. Bradley has been hapless. We rely on Josh Wilson to hit in the middle of our order. Jose Lopez has been awful all season.

    Who is hitting well lately other than Ichiro, Figgins, and Josh Wilson?

  27. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    Smoak and Ike Davis are already good. There is no “might” with them. They are pretty safe bets to be above average major league first basemen. They are cheap and club controlled as well. You guys are just extremely wishful in what you think a Lee rental will net.

    It will get us a prospect in the 15-30 range if we are fortunate, and a couple of interesting lower level guys.

  28. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    Dude. The defense has been middle of the pack this year. It has not been great like we expected it to be. The bullpen isn’t any good especially with the injuries to Lowe and Kelley. The offense does not have to be NY level, but right now it’s epically pathetic.

    You can hold out hope, but it’s false hope. Just cause we had a little winning streak doesn’t mean this team is turning the corner.

  29. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    Justin Smoak and Ike Davis will never be starters?? Seriously, what the heck are you talking about??

  30. CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

    The above statement is no way affiliated with the Seattle Mariners or the overall opinion of the Mariner’s more knowledgeable fan base.

    Sheesh, dude. Ike Davis and Justin Smoak are already starters…. damn good, young starters with 5+ years of club control ahead of them. Smoak especially is a stud.

  31. $1529282 5 years ago

    Yeah but a rental for their rotation isn’t what the Reds should be looking for in an Alonso trade.

    I’ve said it before, but I still think the best thing for both the Reds and the Rays is to swap Alonso and Brignac. Let Zobrist play RF full-time, Sean Rodriguez at 2B, Bartlett at SS, and then swap the two Top-100 prospects.

    The Reds need a long-term answer at shortstop and the Rays will need a replacement for Carlos Pena following this season. Saves both clubs money and fills a need.

    Obviously, any team will benefit from Lee’s services, but the Reds have starting pitching depth at Triple-A that they could call upon. It won’t make a Lee-type impact, but I think it’s best for the organization’s long-term future to get what they need – an answer at SS – for their blocked prospect.

  32. boy9988 5 years ago

    I love a deal with Cinci. Alonso and Fransisco and this could look pretty interesting. Alot of people don’t think they Reds need pitching. But the match up of prospects is just too good to ignore.

  33. CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

    I think what he meant was that he thinks Seattle wants players that can at least get a cup of coffee this year and will have a shot of starting off next year with the big club.

  34. boy9988 5 years ago

    Yeah but Ike Davis and Smoak are the real deal.

  35. sparticus112b 5 years ago

    I don’t think you should ever go to Vegas dude. The Mariners have less than a 2% chance of making the playoffs this year. I don’t know if you noticed but Texas currently has the second best record in baseball behind only the Yankees but even if they do fall off the map we still have the Angels to worry about. It is very unlikely. Our bullpen is hurting with Kelly and Lowe on the DL and the fact that Sean White is even on the team. We have to play at about a .700 clip the rest of the season to MAYBE overtake Texas and the Angels. Our offense will never allow us to do that.

  36. CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

    PoorMs, man… You accused a Twins fan earlier of being a homer. You need to be a realist. This M’s team is going nowhere this year. They have had GREAT starting pitching all year and still are 12 games under .500. The offense has more holes than a slice of Swiss cheese.

    This team is bad and you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise. I’ve been to about a dozen games this year and have watched almost all of them on TV. The 2010 Mariners have a ton of problems that need to be addressed.

  37. boy9988 5 years ago

    um…no. The offense really is that bad. Sorry.

  38. boy9988 5 years ago

    The teams defense has been that good. They just make alot of errors. Its sounds like an oxymoron I know, but they skill and range of this defense really is the best around. They just go through games where they screw everything up sometimes. Alot of their errors are ones that come in bunches like the 4error games. It happens when a team loses alot. However, the offense is still bad. Even the epic 6-game winning streak required 3 complete game shutouts. That just cant be kept up. If this team cant score 4 runs on average, then they are done. They need some new hitters.

  39. CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

    Alonzo sucks this year (.680 OPS). He actually isn’t as good as people are pimping him out to be (career .765 OPS in the minors). He doesn’t hit for power and his ability to hit for average is going down the tubes quick.

  40. boy9988 5 years ago

    Agreed. Unfortunately.

  41. boy9988 5 years ago

    Your dreaming on 1995 too much. Seattle was something like 13 games back in late August at the time. But they actually had a positive record at the time they made their run, they got Griffey back who killed baseball he saw, and the California Angel had a Mets like collapse. Not all of this things are going to happen this time.

  42. CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

    The statistics would beg to differ with you.

  43. sparticus112b 5 years ago

    To add a little bit more to that “Mariners need to play at a .700 clip the rest of the season.” The Yankees have the best record in baseball but they have only played at a .630 clip all season. Who knows though, maybe we trad Lee for some young prospect ready for the bigs and then comes in and tears it up and inspires Lopez and Bradley to pull their heads out then Bedard gets back to his 2007 form and Chad Cordero makes then greatest comeback in baseball history, takes over for Aardsma and get’s 70 saves for the rest of the season. Yeah, I feel it. There is hope!!!!

  44. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    The advanced stats don’t show a team that has been that good defensively this year.

  45. boy9988 5 years ago

    The advanced stats also said Jose Lopez was the best 3B for most of this year. I don’t think so. The defensive stats still don’t work too well.

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