Gammons On Red Sox, Crawford, Moreno, Liverpool

Peter Gammons made one of his regular appearances on WEEI's The Big Show today to discuss the playoffs and look ahead to Boston's winter moves.  Albert Vontz of WEEI.com has a partial transcript, and here are some highlights…

  • The Red Sox are "going to go real hard after Carl Crawford."  Gammons thinks one advantage Boston has is that they're looking at Crawford as middle-of-the-order bat rather than as a leadoff man, and Crawford "doesn’t want to be the guy trying to steal 70 bases."
  • The Angels are another team rumored to be pursuing Crawford this winter, and they'll have the money to do so.  Gammons hears that Angels owner Arte Moreno "is on the cusp" of a new local television deal worth approximately $4BB.  Gammon says Moreno and the Halos are moving fast to "swallow up even more of the Dodgers market" what with the Dodgers embroiled in the McCourt ownership dispute.
  • In the wake of the Red Sox ownership group's purchase of Liverpool FC of the English Premier League, Gammons thinks Red Sox fans will blame the soccer club if the Sox can't acquire and/or afford any major free agents this winter.  Gammons was told, however, that Liverpool is "a $1BB business that they bought for about $400MM" and surmises that majority owner John Henry sees the purchase as "a great business deal…[that] might help the Red Sox in a ten-year period."


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93 Comments on "Gammons On Red Sox, Crawford, Moreno, Liverpool"


4 years 10 months ago

gammons praising the red sox management? color me shocked!

wickedkevin
4 years 10 months ago

Also, your complaint is not true at all. Priceless. Where does he praise anyone? He quotes John Henry. Not Gammons’ own words. Get over it.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

Wow… all I need to do now is see the name Gammons on this site and the first comment is always how biased he is. Did you bother reading the article or even just Mark’s post above you on this site? I’ve read both a couple of times now. Neither have Gammons making any kind of praise of the Red Sox ownership. His statement on the Sox and Crawford is his opinion that the Sox are going to actively pursue Crawford and might actually have an advantage. His statement on the Sox and the Liverpool deal is his opinion that if the Sox don’t spend during the offseason the owners will be blamed as being cash strapped and suggests the buy could actually be a profit seeking entity (which is usually the reason why business deals happen).So, before you just randomly attack someone based on their earlier writings, you could try this radical new thing… it’s called reading.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

Yeah tell him Barney! Peter Gammons is also the most optomistic sports writer which I really like, if anybody cares…

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

My name is actually a title of a Gogol Bordello song.

wickedkevin
4 years 10 months ago

Start wearing purple wearing purple
Start wearing purple for me now

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

All your sanity and wits they will all vanish
I promise, it’s just a matter of time…

-Gogol Bordello

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

All your sanity and wits they will all vanish
I promise, it’s just a matter of time.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

My name is Spandemo Nium…Nice to meet you.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 10 months ago

I’m curious, what color is shocked? Must’ve found it in a box of crayons.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

They might as well just have a two on two wrestling match…Fernando Torres and Yossi Benayoun against David Ortiz and Jon Lester.

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

Benayoun plays for Chelski.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

He moved again?

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

Yup. Pool sold him to Chelski for like 10 mil after they signed Cole on a free transfer. So basically Pool got Joe Cole + 10 mil for Benayoun.

wickedkevin
4 years 10 months ago

Start Gammons bashing…..NOW!!! Oh wait, this guy ^^^ beat everyone to it.

kaflookey
4 years 10 months ago

Wait…the Angels have a $4Billion dollar local TV deal? Someone please explain.

BK
4 years 10 months ago

TV has ads, ads make money, money buys things.

-A. Einstien

kaflookey
4 years 10 months ago

Is it $400 million a year for 10 years or $50 million a year for eighty?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 10 months ago

usually spread out over 20 years or so. and it’s probably not the same amount anually.

4 years 10 months ago

Come on Kevin, lets be real here, Gammons is about as big of a Red Sox homer as you can find

4 years 10 months ago

He works for the Red Sox…..doesn’t that make sense?

johnsilver
4 years 10 months ago

Some of these other people that post here seem to need reminding on a daily basis, like every time MLB TradeRumors has an article with him, the same people rant and rave about him and need reminding about it, someone reminds him that Gammons wrote for the BOSTON GLOBE for 20 years and they complain and whine 2 days later.

As sure as the sun rises tomorrow.. it will happen again..

wickedkevin
4 years 10 months ago

That’s not the point. You are criticizing him for this appearance. And what you said about it wasn’t true. Complain when it is deserved and read and comment otherwise.

4 years 10 months ago

so an article in which Gammons gushes over the Red Sox shouldnt be judged as anything but biased? He can always find someone who has a positive slant on the red sox for his articles to quote, always.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

Gush? He states the Red Sox are going after Crawford and in his opinion he sees they have an advantage. He also states that if the Red Sox don’t spent, they’ll be attacked and in fact a business decision was based on the idea that it was a business decision… So had any other writer written something with opinions like this you’d say the same? Yeah, I doubt it.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 10 months ago

Gammons works for NESN and was interviewed on WEEI which carries Red Sox games of course he is going to talk about the Red Sox..geez

Sawksfan
4 years 10 months ago

How dare he???? These comments are cracking me up.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

Come on JjB, lets be real here, you’re just trying to start a flame war.

wickedkevin
4 years 10 months ago

so an article in which Gammons gushes over the Red Sox shouldnt be judged as anything but biased? He can always find someone who has a positive slant on the red sox for his articles to quote, always.

Enlighten me on the bias in this article. Please. Maybe it was the part about the Angels deal…?

start_wearing_purple
4 years 10 months ago

Here’s an example of “gushing”: I think the Red Sox are the only team Crawford wants to sign with, I think Crawford will love the fans and ultimately be treated like a Greek God in Boston. And as for the Liverpool thing, within a few days Boston will have the enough resources to buy every single free agent in baseball. We’re going to have a dynasty starting tomorrow.

crackman5000
4 years 10 months ago

homer is a term only used by total homers

unless of course you are talking about a baseball hit out of the park

4 years 10 months ago

We shouldn’t even have to defend Gammons. He works for the Red Sox. He gets paid to represent (in a way) the Red Sox. The fact is, we should expect (and want) him to be a “homer.” If he went around bashing the Red Sox, he wouldn’t be doing his job now would he? I think people just assume that he is still a full-time ESPN employee. I think it’s about time the Red Sox haters educated themselves and stopped attempting to start flame wars.

JDortmunder
4 years 10 months ago

Forgetting about Gammons for a min… I don’t see Crawford as RS but it’s great for negotiations if they are offering top dollar (6/108). Unless the nyy want to top the RS for some reason I think they stay out. Tex may be a player (he’s a native and they have a great tax situation) with LAA. Maybe even the LAD even with their $$$ problems as he’d be perfect for them after losing Manny.

wickedkevin
4 years 10 months ago

The Yankees have 0 need for an OF. That would be beyond luxury for them. Not playing Gardner would be insane at this point.

redsox4120
4 years 10 months ago

I think the Sox ownership has to spend top money to prove to the fans that they aren’t leaving the Sox with a bunch of question marks going into the season right after a season that was a huge disappointment. What better guy to spend $ on then Carl Crawford?

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

Cliff Lee.

Coreno
4 years 10 months ago

i dont see the red sox doing much more than checking into the lee sweepstakes to raise the price for the yankees. he makes little sense for the sox to go after. they already have a filled rotation, and none of them can be moved.

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

He asked what guy to better spend $ on. I would rather spend money on Lee than Crawford personally.

redsox4120
4 years 10 months ago

In the Sox case, Crawford would be the best guy to sped money on. Lee would be nice, but he isn’t a necessity.

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

Lee would win them more games by himself.

But I forgot how great Lackey, Dice K, and (modern day) Beckett were.

redsox4120
4 years 10 months ago

Their pitching staff is fine, Lackey is definitely going to bounce back. His last couple starts were very good so you could tell he’s become more comfortable pitching in Boston and pitching to Vic or Tek or Salty. Dice K is an enigma, even during the offseason. Meaning we don’t even know if he’ll be part of the staff next year. This is the first season that Dice-K has been on the staff and the Sox aren’t in the playoffs, so he can’t be hurting the Sox to much. Beckett was injured and was also looked promising coming down the strech, a full year of a healthy Beckett will help the staff.
Plus, you totally forgot to mention Lester & Buchholz who are just filthy. So they’re wins should each be in the upper teens or even 20’s.
Therefore the pitching is fine, the Sox don’t need to unload all their money on a pitcher that would be nice to have, but isn’t necessary when you have so many holes at third, OF, first, bullpen, and catcher. There are just to many things Theo needs to fix before getting another Ace.

BoSoxSam
4 years 10 months ago

Even with the health problems, I’ll admit I’m worried about what Josh Beckett shows up next year. He may very well be a new, more mediocre pitcher. He didn’t improve at all near the end of this year. However, I agree that Lackey should bounce back; he’ll never play to his contract, that was just not well thought-out by Epstein, but he’ll be a functional cog in the rotation. I thought Dice K made some big strides this year; I am optimistic for him 2011. However I’ve been optimistic for him every year, so maybe you don’t want to listen to me. :) All in all, I definitely agree that starting pitching is an area Boston just can’t think about right now, with all the other holes in the team right now.

BoSoxSam
4 years 10 months ago

Sure, Lee is better than those guys by far, but the point is business-wise it makes no sense. You’d have to then try to move one of those three, which with their struggles will be -very- difficult, especially if you’re trying to make any sort of return. Signing Lee would just give the Sox more headaches, and may possibly help, but could also shift everything negatively, maybe ruin clubhouse morale if one of the guys he bumps off has to do a Mike Lowell for a couple months or something. Signing Crawford would fit well into their plans, as it just bumps Cameron to the fourth-outfielder slot he -should- be in, gives Kalish more time to season in the minors, and makes Nava or McDonald possible trade sweeteners. It is clear the Red Sox are deficient in the outfield, while, in terms of contracts at least, the rotation is already overstuffed.

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

The successfailure of the two clubs should be mutually exclusive. The two clubs finances should also be mutually exclusive.

It won’t work if that’s not the case.

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

By that I mean that it wasn’t smart for Henry to say that Liverpool’s revenues could help the Red Sox in the next 10 years, just as much as it wouldn’t be smart to say that Liverpool’s revenues won’t help the Sox.

He should have said that there are independent resources for each club.

He risks alienating Pool fans by saying that they can strengthen the Sox finances. They won’t want revenues diverted from their club to another club, especially in a sport that they don’t supportunderstand.

wickedkevin
4 years 10 months ago

Good point.

ze3
4 years 10 months ago

$4BB. Time to yoink Crawford and Beltre away from Boston.

TeamCropDusters
4 years 10 months ago

Crawford will be an Angel. BOOK IT.

redsox4120
4 years 10 months ago

I wouldn’t go all in on Crawford being an Angel. The Angels would probably want to use him as their lead off hitter, when Crawford himself wants to be in the middle of the order and that’s just what the Sox need.

ze3
4 years 10 months ago

I don’t think the Angels plan on using Crawford in the leadoff spot. They’ll probably use Abreu for that or even Bourjos. Moreno and the Angels know that Crawford doesn’t want to bat first in the lineup and they like him enough to comply with him.

halofan
4 years 10 months ago

If the Angels sign Crawford he will bat 3rd in the lineup. Bourjos will bat leadoff. Im hoping the top of the lineup will look like 1-Bourjos 2-Abreu 3-Crawford 4-Morales 5-Hunter. I also expect the Angels to go after a 3B and Closer as well. Another option would be to move Kasmir to the bullpen and trade Rivera and Napoli for SP Zach Grienke. Imagine Haren, Weaver, Grienke, Santana, and Piniero as the starters!

cookmeister
4 years 10 months ago

he will bat 3rd

redsox4120
4 years 10 months ago

Yup, yup. I totally forgot about Bourjos.

bjsguess
4 years 10 months ago

Don’t know why people keep forgetting about the Tigers. Crawford would be a huge addition, they have gobs of money, and a gaping hole in their outfield. A player like Crawford is ideal for roaming that spacious LF.

I would love Crawford on the Angels. Next year an outfield defense of Bourjos, Crawford, and Hunter has the potential of 3 GG’s. And it gets better in 2012 if Trout can make it to the bigs. You would have 3 ++ defenders who could all be CF’ers roaming the outfield. Nothing would fall for a hit.

Personally, I think Werth is a better fit in Boston. If you want a true #3 hitter Werth is your guy. Boston is pumping up Crawford’s value to make him more expensive to the Angels or Tigers while suppressing the value of Werth. Smart tactical move on their part.

BoSoxSam
4 years 10 months ago

I like both guys. I agree that Boston looks to be pumping Crawford in order to have a better chance at Werth, but I think that Crawford truly still is their plan A. They are just preparing their escape plan, to make it as airtight as possible, but I expect them to stay in it for Crawford as long as they can. Crawford is just a better player, and younger, so he’s clearly the better option. Werth is also a player Boston loves though, and by doing this early hype for Crawford they are making sure to leave the Werth market nice and quiet so they can swoop in if Crawford’s asking price gets exorbitant.

4 years 10 months ago

Gammons is a good analyst but his heart is in Boston, Crawford will follow the money and Arte is slightly miffed about this last year so i’m leaning Angels but as with any signing until the deal is inked rule out nothing…

Mitch_Cole173
4 years 10 months ago

Exactly. Did anyone expect the Red Sox to go after Lackey over the winter? I sure as hell didn’t.

Alex
4 years 10 months ago

Wait, Crawford DOESN’T want to be the guy stealing bases? But that’s his primary appeal. He certainly doesn’t have enough power to be a middle of the order bat on most teams, especially not Boston or LA.

bjsguess
4 years 10 months ago

I agree with this. If he is taking the position that his speed is better utilized as a 30SB guy then I’m struggling to see his value. Defense is great but his power and OBP are just OK at best. Speed is what makes Crawford so valuable.

0bsessions
4 years 10 months ago

I think it’s a marketing matter. Marketing yourself for a six or seven year contract when your primary asset is one of the first things to go on a player isn’t your best bet.

terryharmon
4 years 10 months ago

If the Angels truly have a $4 BB tv deal in the works, they could afford to sign Cliff Lee along with Crawford and Beltre.

redsox4120
4 years 10 months ago

who died and made the angels George Steinbrenner….

terryharmon
4 years 10 months ago

Whoever gave them a $4 billion tv contract.

redsox4120
4 years 10 months ago

touche

4 years 10 months ago

“who died and made the angels George Steinbrenner.”

George Steinbrenner

redsox4120
4 years 10 months ago

That was the joke.

jb226
4 years 10 months ago

I wouldn’t go increasing the team’s payroll until you actually know the terms, structure and circumstances of the deal.

If it’s $4 billion over 4 billion years it’s hardly impressive. It’s also not impressive if it’s $4 billion over, say, 20 years (more realistic, obviously,) but replaces an expiring deal for $3.5 billion. Especially when one factors in potential inflation over that period of time.

terryharmon
4 years 10 months ago

The current Angel b’cast deal is a 10 year deal with Fox Sports, signed in 2006, for $500 million.

So while a $4 billion over 4 billion year extension seems unlikely, I guess anything’s possible from the management team that gave Fernando Rodney $11 million over 2 years.

4 years 10 months ago

The deal is real but that kinda commitment is to much…. I like Lee but the numbers don’t equal the long term nor do you want to get into a bidding war, he’ll be a yankee…

slider32
4 years 10 months ago

Sox are in trouble, Crawford will not replace Beltre and Martinez’s power in the line-up. They need more right handed power not speed and defense.

4 years 10 months ago

Power was the least of the Red Sox problems this year. If I remember correctly they finished in the top 5 in baseball in homeruns. There problems were speed and defense. They had practically no speed with Ellsbury gone and the defense that was supposed to be one of the better in baseball was not so good.

4 years 10 months ago

Football is littered with owners and ex-owners who thought they could make money out of it. The only way to vastly increase a team’s value is by negotiating TV deals separately, and that won’t happen since you need 14 out of 20 teams to agree to changing the current rules.

jb226
4 years 10 months ago

Eh, it’s easy to make money. Here’s what you do:1. Don’t operate at a loss. That’s a no-brainer, but actually the hardest part because it’s related to the success of the product which is itself related to the expenditures. Just spend wisely.2. Name yourself president, chairman or some other fancy title for the franchise. Give yourself a nice salary and/or dividends, say $1MM/year, in recognition of the fact that you are one of only a handful of people in the world who holds the title of chairman of a franchise.The beauty of that is that your pay is now a team expense. In other words, if your accounting data at the end of the year says the team made $0 profit, you still have an extra $1MM in your pockets and ownership of the team.3. Hang around a while and then sell the team. Just inflation will likely raise the value of your team, and of course any success you bring or improvements you made will likely do so as well.You essentially pay yourself $1MM/year for the opportunity cost of not being able to use the money you used to buy the team for something else, while engaging in a nearly no-loss situation.That’s not to say ACTUALLY no-loss, of course. You can’t be stupid, neither about the franchise you bought nor anything else you do that’s related to it or to you in such a way that it can affect either the franchise or your need to sell at a specific point. But it’s a pretty decent bet.Good gig if you can get it.

hawkny1
4 years 10 months ago

Gammons gets it right about 50% of the time, usually, when he is talking about a player move to occur within a week or two of his prediction. Anything occuring beyond that time frame is pure speculation on his part.
IMHO, weather, rather than money will play an important role in where Crawford signs. Hence, California has to be favored unless Theo offers Carl a deal that is ” much too big to refuse”. That, it seems, would be a mistake, considering the young OF talent the Red Sox have in their system.
As for Lowrie, should Beltre also follow Crawford (back) to California climes, it wouldn’t be surprising to see him emerge from ST, 2011, as Boston’s regular 3rd baseman. He wouldn’t be an A-Rod in the making but he could play the position competently, one would think, considering his middle infield skills. Arm strength might be a question mark, but, with practice and conditioning, he could bloom at 3B. This would create a clear path for Inglaises, who might be moved up to the 25-man roster by mid season, next year. That would give Theo the option of having Scutaro and, perhaps Lopez, as his infield utility players in 2012, and for a stretch run in 2011.
Also, it would make sense for Theo to go after an experienced, alternate closer to call upon when Papelbon is unable to pitch and a long man for middle inning relief. Wouldn’t it be nice, if he could maneuver Masterson off Cleveland’s roster and back to Boston to perform that role?

crackman5000
4 years 10 months ago

people who use the word “homer” to describe other people are such homers

slider32
4 years 10 months ago

Boston will make some major moves this winter. Beltre and Crawford will probably sign with the Angels. The Sox should sign Werth-Lf, Aramis Rimirez-3b, or trade for Adrian Gongalez. They might even be able to trade for Beltran giving the Mets Ellsbury. Soriano,Frazor,Wood,Benoit,or Crain seem like good relief options.

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Sawksfan
4 years 10 months ago

Beltran? ugggggh no thanks. And why give up Ellsbury? Beltran is owed 18.5M in 2011 and Ellsbury is going to his first year of arb. Noway that trade happens.

Werth is the fallback plan for Crawford, but they’ll pay for him since Boras is his agent and he’ll reportedly want Matt Holliday money. No thanks. Crawford is the guy they need to go after hard. JMO.

Soriano will probably want a closers gig. Downs and Frasor have proven to pitch decent against the AL East. Frasor has been crap against the Yankees over his career though. Benoit had a great season in Tampa. I doubt Theo will pay for middle relief help.

Sawksfan
4 years 10 months ago

Nice perspective on ESPN by Gordan Edes. To sign Scott Downs, a type A FA, Sox would have to give up a 1st, unless they sign another FA like Crawford, Werth or V-Mart. If Sox don’t, Sox certainly won’t give up picks for a RP. Theo will try to fix on the cheap or within with Doubrant, Bowden, ect..