Yankees Rumors: Girardi, Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte

The Yankees always have interesting offseasons, but this one figures to have a little extra something after the Rangers massively outplayed them in the ALCS. Three of their stalwart players, not to mention the manager, are scheduled to become free agents in a few weeks. Let's round up all the news that came out of Yankeeland following last night's loss, courtesy of Chad Jennings of The Journal News, MLB.com's Bryan Hoch, Mark Feinsand and Anthony McCarron of The Daily News, Marc Carig of The Star-Ledger, and Dom Amore of The Hartford Courant (Twitter link)… 

  • Re-signing manager Joe Girardi is "the first order of business," said GM Brian Cashman. Cashman also said he has yet to talk to ownership, which gives you an idea of how far along (or not) they are in the process.
  • Neither Mariano Rivera nor Derek Jeter would talk about their upcoming free agency after last night's loss. “This is where they belong,” said Cashman, and the general belief is that both will re-sign with the Yankees this winter.
  • Andy Pettitte's decision about whether to return for another year or retire will be based solely on his family, adding that he's already accomplished everything he wanted to in his career. Cashman said that they'll give Pettitte as much time as he needs. 
  • Yankee starting pitchers not named CC Sabathia posted a 5.91 ERA in the second half, so Cashman unsurprisingly said that starting pitching will be a priority in the offseason. They're expected to be major players for Cliff Lee, and will likely check in on Zack Greinke.


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195 Comments on "Yankees Rumors: Girardi, Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte"


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Ben_Cherington
4 years 8 months ago

“…after the Rangers massively outplayed them in the ALCS”

I love it!!

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Guest
4 years 8 months ago

Considering how well the Red Sox played, I can understand your comment. Oh wait..

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

a little bitter are we?? maybe if the yanks bump the payroll up to $500mil they can win

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Guest
4 years 8 months ago

Not bitter in the least bit. The Rangers are a fantastic team and they deserve every bit of the Championship. It’s stupid comments from gloating Sox fans that lack class and then you make an absurd comment about raising payroll to $500mm, which just adds to it.

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Ben_Cherington
4 years 8 months ago

geez yanks fan….take a joke.

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baseballdude
4 years 8 months ago

they dont let you joke about their team

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Well you know full well if the Red Sox just got owned by Texas, there would be more than enough gloating coming from Yankee fans. That’s just the way it is. And if the shoe fits, the Yankees will usually buy it.

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4 years 8 months ago

You sound like the bitter one, man.

Can’t we put this payroll nonsense to bed already? Money doesn’t win championships in baseball. If the Rangers were all being paid their prime free agent money, their payroll would have been over $200m as well — and would still be over $200m when those players got to their downslopes. It’s about drafting talent and turning impending FAs into new talent, plain and simple. That’s why Texas is winning right now. Not because they’re scrappy low payroll underdogs.

Someone needs to get Hughes an out pitch for Christmas, though. Seriously.

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4 years 8 months ago

Yea I know. He was a good prospect with high upside of course, and had a breakout season. The dude has an electric fastball and a great cutter but can’t control his breaking ball for his life, you can’t just live off fastballs if you’re a starter. I think Hughes should think about developing a changeup.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

You are correct, money doesn’t win championships. However, money CAN get you to the playoffs year after year after year. And once you’re in the playoffs, anything can happen.

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Ben_Cherington
4 years 8 months ago

maybe 600mil?

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4 years 8 months ago

That comment is pretty useless since the Yankees won a majority of their championships before they were a 1.5 billion dollar franchise, before George Steinbrenner bought the team.

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4 years 8 months ago

That was also before they modified the trade rules, when the Yankees could use the A’s as a farm team.

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4 years 8 months ago

You mean they aren’t? I thought the A’s were the Yankees PCL affiliate.

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Ben_Cherington
4 years 8 months ago

Has more to do with the payroll, and the fact that the rangers are still paying part of Aroids salary, and the yanks cant beat cliff lee so they will buy him this offseason. Its kind of ironic to me…..but i have to get my shots in on the skankees when i can.

Was anyone else upset last night when swish, whom i like, played it off as not being hit so they could score…..same thing jeter did in a sense against the rays. Just frustrating!

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Guest
4 years 8 months ago

The fact you refer Alex as Aroids sums up your commenting credibility. What part of the Red Sox having a payroll only 10% less than the Yanks are people not understanding. As far as I am concerned, Red Sox fans have zero to add to these discussions today.

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Ben_Cherington
4 years 8 months ago

and your comments to red sox fans add tons of credibility to your comments! someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today!

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Considering the Yankees are the only team to be consistently over $200M year in a year out, so no, 10% means nothing. And this was the 1st year Boston was that high, in 2009 opening-day payroll was $121M (Cots). Boston has consistently been 3rd-5th in payroll over the years. When Boston is at $190M or $200M or above the Yankees, then you have an argument.

This offseason may be a perfect example why fans show such animosity towards the Yankees. The Yankees got owned, and will probably go on a spending spree because they can. Cliff Lee owned us? Let buy him so we don’t have to face him anymore. Carl Crawford is available? Lets get him too. Boston likes Werth? Well so do we (cha-ching). Two years ago New York committed $423M to 3 players after missing the playoffs. They could beat that number this year.

In all fairness, I respect the Yankees commitment to having the best product on the field. What I don’t respect is the shopping spree style (aka outbid the competition by $10M) to do it. And you can point fingers to Boston or the Mets or Angels all you want, but the Yankees are in a class by themselves in that regard and it’s a joke.

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Steelslayer
4 years 8 months ago

Couldn’t agree more. The simple fact that they will be just like a spoiled little kid who didn’t win the soap box race, they will use their unquestionably ridiculous assets and buy every potential piece they will need, and pick up extra parts to make sure that nobody else can get the leftovers to compete at the next race.

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mbovasso
4 years 8 months ago

while all non yankee fans are taking their cheap shots while they can our ownership has a committment to winning every year… and you cant say the same about your teams ownership.

When comparing payrolls to performance (i.e. – Rays, Rangers) what your not looking at is the number of years they were below .500 to get top draft picks to build their minor league teams with the best players in the country.

So a better analysis is comparing other teams with an inferior payroll to the to the Yankees , but have also made the post season with the same sucess as the Yankees, thus having picked low in the draft each year.

Finally your ownership loves the baseball revenue sharing it gets from the Yankees and also when we come to your town to play it’s the only times your stadiums get sold out.
at the rest of baseball

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

I totally and respectfully disagree.In the infamous words of Herm Edwards “you play to win the game”. Are you implying that teams don’t come into spring training with a goal of making the playoffs? How many people gave the Texas Rangers a chance this year? NO ONE. The Angels and Mariners (w/ Lee and Felix) were the favorites to win the West. So that is a very poor assumption on your part that other ownerships are not committed to winning. A commitment isn’t demonstrated just by throwing money around and having a high payroll.I’m not sure where you’re going with your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. Teams develop young players because in smaller markets, with smaller funds to allocated to player payroll, they’re required to focus on player development to discover young talent. Tampa is a perfect example. They will lose Carl Crawford this year, but have developed a young Desmond Jennings to take CC’s place. So Tampa has to depend on player development to a very large degree in order to stay competitive. As I stated above, high payroll doesn’t guarantee a World Series Championship, but it does increase likelihood of annual playoff appearances, which in the playoffs anything can happen. Revenue sharing and luxury tax (ie high payroll tax) are two separate issues. Revenue sharing is more from television deals, merchandise, ect., basically an attempt to level the field in terms of baseball market size. If not for this, the competitive balance in baseball would be totally out of wack. The luxury tax is what is payed by the Yankees for going over the $170M payroll threshold. This system has been in place for 7 years and does not do as much as you think. In 2009 the Yankees had to pay $25M that was distributed to smaller market teams. What does that come out to? Maybe $2M? How many free agents will that pay for? According to Baseball America, the Yankees have paid $174M in luxury tax over the past 7 years (2003-09). Only 3 other teams (Red Sox, Angels and Tigers) have had to pay luxury tax. The Red Sox broke the threshold from 2004-07, yet has only had to pay a TOTAL of $13M. The Angels and Tigers only broke the threshold once. The Yankees smash it on a yearly basis because they can put more into payroll knowing the luxury tax is just a drop in the bucket.Your final paragraph is full of assumptions and arrogance.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

LOL!! Like Boston has never outbid the competition for a free agent it wanted. Dice k ring a bell. How about Schilling. I would rather the team spend money on talent and not the owner just putting the money in their pockets.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Ok, Dice-K was a blind bidding. Did they really outbid for Schilling (that was a trade remember? I guess not since you tried to lump them together). So really no, Boston only has one instance of outbidding.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

Yes it was a trade in which they outbid (players instead of money) the Yankees. It would be interesting to see how many of the players from the Red Sox championships were brought up through their farm system and how many were brought in via trade and free agency…Like Schilling Martinez Ortiz Ramirez etc etc.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Sigh, so now you go from the Red Sox outbidding everyone to bringing in all their players via FA? So you name 4 players from the Sox, you can add Keith Foulke, Dave Roberts, Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell, Julio Lugo, JD Drew…then consider Nomar, Papelbon, Varitek, Lowe, Pedroia, Youkilis, Ellsbury, ect. Every team depends on a blend of FA and homegrown talent. Boston is no different. Do you have a point or are you just trying to start a flame war here?

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

Sorry I thought I had typed slow enough to make an obvious point. The Red Sox do the same things the Yankees do. While most of you Sox fans like to take a holier than thou attitude and act like you arent out there chasing down free agents it just isnt so. No winning team builds strictly from within. Period. My point about your free agents and most of trades is that you outbid teams to get them including the Yankees. I think something that might be kind of interesting is to see how many players the Yankees brought up through their farm system for their championship runs versus how many the the Sox brought up. I havent checked this out yet so if someone has maybe the could post it. The problem with this is I fear is the Sox lack of World Series experience we might not have enough data.

And no is the answer to your silly little flame war comment. I sincerely apologize if enlightening you about the Sox has put you on the defensive or hurt your feelings.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

You’re funny man. You have been nothing but an antagonist here today. Well done.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

If pointing out the flaws in your whining er arguement is being an antagonist then so be it.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

LOL Listen, I know you’re new here with all of your 9 posts, all directed to me (lucky me), but where are my argument flaws? Seriously, what did I say that objectively was incorrect? You’ve done nothing but run around in a circle for a couple days now. I’m sorry your team got owned by Texas. They’re on the golf course with Boston now anyways. Let it go man. And in the future, when you reply to a post, try to stay with the original argument instead of drawing a million tangents. You’ve done nothing but act like a high-schooler with the day off. Thank you.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

I am not the one that keeps bringing up NY losing to Texas in the ALCS. I have no problem with the fact that Texas owned us. However if your team is a third place team that can’t make the playoffs you should probably shut yer piehole. As far as my points, they are on topic. They just might be a little to advanced for ya.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Yes, obviously the Red Sox have brought in FA’s from outside (Ortiz, Drew, Dice-K, Manny, Pedro, ect) and via trade (Schilling, Beckett, V-Mart, Bay), as well as excel with homegrown talent (Varitek, Nomar, Ellsbury, Papelbon, Youkilis, Pedroia, Bard, Lester, Buchholz). Every team in MLB follows a similar strategy: a blend of the 3. Agree? My original point is that for the last 5 years, the Yankees have consistently outspent the rest of MLB. It’s not even close (ie Contreras, Damon, Pavano, Igawa, Sabathia, Texiera, Burnett). Do the Red Sox have 4 of the 5 highest paid players in the game? No So let me ask you a few questions. Did the Red Sox commit $423M to 3 players 2 years ago? No. Have the Red Sox consistently been well over the luxury tax threshold? No. Have the Red Sox consistently been over $200M payroll year in and year out? No. So what is your point? Do the Red Sox spend? Yes. They gave up $51M to sign Dice-K (bad move). Do they spend as much as the Yankees? No. Any Yankee fan that thinks otherwise needs a dose of reality. Listen, Boston is ahead of the majority of baseball in spending, with the Angels, Mets, Phillies, Cubs all close. Previous few years they’ve ranked between 3rd and 5th in payroll. This year Boston was high at $160M due to a number of players they still owed money to. Look at their average over previous 5 years ($129M). The Yankees? Try $200M on the dot. You cannot argue that. Saying that teams can spend but choose to pocket the dough is being very presumptuous. Unless you are looking at the team’s budget sheet right now, you have no idea of where teams stand. Yes, the Yankees have won a few world series. They have an amazing history. I will most certainly acknowledge that. But it’s comical that some Yankee fans (such as yourself) continue to hang your hat on that. So what. What does it mean? Yankees won all but 5 before Ronald Reagan was president and before many of us were even born. Since 2000 the Yankees and Red Sox have the same # of titles. So what’s your point? I’m not convinced you have one at this point, you’re just being a troll.
I would still like you to point out specific flaws in my argument. Thank you.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

I would agree that some years the Yankees send the most in free agency. I agree the Yankees are a 200 mil payroll. My point is to keep it simple for you….The Sox are just a guilty as the Yankees for trying to win. You guys do the exact same things. You complain about the Yankees, so I guess teams like Pittsburgh and Cincy etc. could use the same arguments about the Sox. Most years you are one the top spenders in free agency your payroll is way out of whack with theirs, you outbid people for free agents etc etc.

I think you are a little jealous of the empire that George built.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

No I’m not jealous at all. But I think you are a bit sensitive and defensive. Sorry you couldn’t disprove my points. I think we’re done here.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

LOL!! Like Boston has never outbid the competition for a free agent it wanted. Dice k ring a bell. How about Schilling. I would rather the team spend money on talent and not the owner just putting the money in their pockets.

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friscofan101
4 years 8 months ago

theres also the fact that most of teh key players for the curse breaking sox team was taking steroids.

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Ben_Cherington
4 years 8 months ago

are u sure about that. dont remember anyone confessing or being accused in 04 or 07.

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Fangaffes
4 years 8 months ago

“What part of the Red Sox having a payroll only 10% less than the Yanks are people not understanding.”

What part of math don’t YOU understand? The Yankees spent 20% more than the Sox this season.

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Zack23
4 years 8 months ago

So wait, the Red Sox aren’t going to go out and buy any players to improve their team this offseason?
Is it frustrating when Ellsbury ‘traps’ a ball in the OF but holds his glove up to fool the umpire into thinking he caught it?
Was it frustrating when Varitek was framing pitches for the last decade? Was it frustating when Ortiz and Manny were juicing and winning you 2 championships?

So stop your crying- every team has PED users, and every single player tries to fool the umpire.

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Zack23
4 years 8 months ago

Is it ironic that the Sox couldn’t beat Lackey in the playoffs in 08/09 so they went and signed him?

It’s ironic that you criticize the Yankees, yet your Sox do the same things.

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Ben_Cherington
4 years 8 months ago

you have a good memory! I promise you guys im really not a yankee basher, just messing with all a bit. i knew it would happen so i just help get it started.

Anyways the yanks lost to a better team, congrats to the rangers!

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Good points Zack, though I will disagree on the Lackey parallel to Cliff Lee owning the Yankees.Correct, Lackey beat Boston in 2009 playoffs (7+ inning shutout). However lifetime he’s 3-7 with a 5.25 ERA against Boston. Boston took care of Lackey twice in the 2008 playoffs and tagged him again in 2007. Boston has had decent success against Lackey. Lackey just happened to be the #1 starter available. So it’s not quite the same as Lee and the Yankees. The Yankees have problems against Lee, so heck, lets buy him so we don’t have to face him anymore. You have to admit that AJ Burnett’s career #’s against New York (6-3, 2.43 ERA) played a huge role in that signing.Yes, expect Boston to spend, but it won’t be close to what the Yankees did in 2008-2009 or what Yankees do this year. If it happens otherwise I will gladly eat crow.The Swisher play was frustrating (as was Jeter’s bat knob incident) but that’s more fault of the umpires than the players IMO.Let’s keep the PED talk at a minimum because that just becomes a pissing match as you said.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

The Yankees going after Lee of course they will look at and hopefully go after him. Prior to the World Series this guy is owning everyone in the postseason his numbers are …..(I dont even know what word to use) unbelievable kind of like Becketts which btw is the exact reason the Sox went after him and Schilling. Look I am not complaining about what you guys are doing its just smart baseball. Just stop acting like you guys don’t do the same thing.

Players fooling umpires has been going on forever and is taught at a Little league level. All teams and all players do it. Stop crying over this one you look silly.
I agree on the PEDS all teams are guilty of it so it doesnt really matter.

The Burnett signing yes I am sure the Yankees were quite aware of his stats when they signed him. We needed pitching badly as other teams were putting together great 1 2 punches via free agency (Boston comes to mind). If we didnt sign AJ whom do you think we should have gone after at the time.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Whatever dude. I never stated that Boston doesn’t spend. But to compare the Yankees and Boston’s spending is silly and a waste of time because EVERYONE knows the Yankees can and will outspend everyone. Period.

Ok man, I wasn’t crying, merely pointing out two plays that benefited the Yankees that the umps missed that were obvious. Don’t be a jerk.

According to Cots, it was a pretty weak FA list after Sabathia. Names like Dempster, Lowe, Pedro, Pavano, Sheets, ect. You apparently missed my point and I merely said the Yankees signed Burnett because he had a good track record against him, similar to why the Yankees want Lee.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

So the Yanks signed the best FA pitcher available that has a good record against them. Why are you even bringing this up EVERY team tries to do this. Should the Yanks not be allowed to do this? Do you happen to bring up the first play in which Swisher got hit and it wasn’t called. The second instance with Swisher getting hit and it not being called I actually contend that that hurt us. The Sox do this crap just as much as the Yanks dude get off your high horse its not noble when you guys do it. Its just a part of baseball.

Yes the Yankees of late will outspend other teams on payroll, but not on every free agent out there as you make it sound. Lets make no mistake about it though the Red Sox are out spending almost every other team and are well above the league average in payroll.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Sigh,If you go back to my original post, I was replying to someone saying it’s the same as Sox signing Lackey because apparently the Sox could never beat Lackey, which I demonstrated as false. I never said the Yankees couldn’t spend, nor do the Red Sox not spend. You need to stop putting words in my mouth man. Please point out where I said this. However, you’re trying to downplay the fact that the Yankees consistently blow the rest of MLB away and it’s not even close. I’ll get off my high horse as soon as you get a grip on reality.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Whatever dude. I never stated that Boston doesn’t spend. But to compare the Yankees and Boston’s spending is silly and a waste of time because EVERYONE knows the Yankees can and will outspend everyone. Period.

Ok man, I wasn’t crying, merely pointing out two plays that benefited the Yankees that the umps missed that were obvious. Don’t be a jerk.

According to Cots, it was a pretty weak FA list after Sabathia. Names like Dempster, Lowe, Pedro, Pavano, Sheets, ect. You apparently missed my point and I merely said the Yankees signed Burnett because he had a good track record against him, similar to why the Yankees want Lee.

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4 years 8 months ago

I thought when Aroid voided his contract and signed a new one with the skankies the Rangers got off the hook.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

I believe you are correct. According to info on Cots Baseball Contracts under A-Rod, the “financial obligations are eliminated if Rodriguez voids”. Also, Texas was obligated to pay $9M as part of deferred compensation, but that ended in 2010.

Appears that Texas is finally rid of that awful contract.

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johnsilver
4 years 8 months ago

Indeed. There was a 1 team bidding war vs themselves and the price kept escalating until they eventually won…

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

No, Texas owes Arod $29 mil worth of deffered money that was due him while he was in Texas I think. It’s was an issue when Texas was facing bankcruptcy. The payments that Texas was paying the Yankees was seperate from what they were paying directly to Arod.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

Yes the Rangers definately outplayed us in all facets of the game. I cant think of an area where we outplayed them. Im glad you Sox fans noticed this as you watched the playoffs from home. I guess losing in the ALCS is better then taking third in your division. Although not by much granted.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Grow up already.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

Sorry didn’t know third place in the division was such a sore spot with you still. Perhaps if you guys could build from within better you also could have a dynasty. I suspect Sox fans have cried during all the Yankee dynasties the only thing that has changed is the excuses.

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Sure, oh and I’ll get off my high horse the day you check your pompous, condescending entitled attitudes at the door.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

LOL!!! You go girl!!

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Still waiting for you to point out specific flaws in my argument sweetheart.

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HHHDMS
4 years 8 months ago

Well Texas did beat the Yankees and were clearly the better team this go around..But Cashman will fix that for the 2011 campaign. At least it gives them something to shoot for as a goal. Im sure the Yanks will go all out for Lee and trade for Greinke. Im sure they will look for a bat like Crawford or Werth as well.. I dont think Thames or Berkman will be back or Kearns either…
Boy did the Yanks pitching ever stink in the AlCS ! Pee-yew !! Bad ..they gave up too many 3 run homers…

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4 years 8 months ago

Greinke pitching in the Bronx would be a terrible move. If the Yankees want to trade for anyone on KC it’ll be Soria.

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mbovasso
4 years 8 months ago

Agreed…either gor for Soria or Soriano

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4 years 8 months ago

I doubt they go for an outfield bat

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guest_54
4 years 8 months ago

Can’t Greinke block trades to NY?

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4 years 8 months ago

Greinke may block deals to 15 clubs in 2011. I seem to remember he has to make the decision fairly soon, like the next week or two. What do you want to bet he blocks all of the big market teams?

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BoomDizzle
4 years 8 months ago

Finally the devil was defeated. In the end, good conquered over evil. Anytime the Yanks and Red Sox lose, it is a good day. I am sure the Skanks will look to raise their payroll to 300 million after their humiliating defeat. Adding more steroid users must be the first order of business

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4 years 8 months ago

oi vey – there must not be cartoons on this morning and no fruit loops in the cabinet, because it seems like the children are bored.

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4 years 8 months ago

There are plenty of fruit loops but they’re not in the cabinet today if you know what I mean.

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TapDancingTeddy
4 years 8 months ago

You know it was comments like that that made me a Yankees fan in the first place. No other team takes the pure abuse the Yankees do. When other teams are having a bad inning you don’t hear “XYZ sucks” over and over again.On the other hand no other team wins as much. Oddly, the combination of the two created our fan base. The promise of victory in the future, combined with the intense hatred of our opponents makes the fan base grow.I was once like Span-D, just a fan of the game. Then came the ’76 Yanks and their crushing defeat against the Reds. No sympathy was offered for a team that hadn’t been in the playoffs for years; no applause came for an owner who had rebuilt a franchise that had become irrelevant. Here, in NY, nothing but abuse, abuse, abuse.From whom did the abuse come? From bitter Dodger and Giant fans whose teams had long abandoned the region. From Met fans who had become accustomed to having their team be the toast of the town since their ’69 WS victory. From NL fans who were convinced their league was 100% better than the AL, and whose All-Star team victories were supposedly proof of that.Angered as never before by seeing a team I liked so laughed at and dishonored, I waited all winter for a chance at revenge. I followed the ’77 Yankees as if nothing else in baseball mattered, and when they won, I had never been so happy for anything in sports. The only thing I didn’t like: I wanted the Reds. I wanted to crush the Reds as bad as I ever wanted to punch a bully in the face.So, board members, please continue to piss on the Yanks. I know from experience, that you’re growing our membership and adding new fans to our fanbase. For whether you choose to believe it or not, losing makes as many fans as winning. For proof of that, ask fans of the 1918 to 2003 Red Sox or current Chicago Cubs.

I’ve been through good and bad with this team. No Yank fan can forget the 13 years under Steinbrenner where we didn’t make the playoffs. But that’s what makes a fan – the hard times more than the good. And given who the Yankees remain to be in the post George Steinbrenner era, I expect good will follow the bad.

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4 years 8 months ago

Strangely, the Yankees surge when their homegrown talent comes of age, in the 90’s it was Williams and Jeter. Munson in the 70’s, but then they get away from that paradigm and begin to fade again. What position players besides Cano do they have in the pipeline?

Also, I’m not sure that focusing on starting pitching is where they need to be, clearly they need bullpen help. Cliff Lee would be a nice addition and would probably help them along quite nicely, but aside from Wood and Rivera that bullpen is brutal. If you could add a couple of middle guys for half the money you would pay for Lee, you would greatly enhance your post season chances on that move alone. I wouldn’t give up on Hughes yet.

A-Rod is also not the presence he once was, although I think he is still a pretty good defender. I would look for a corner outfielder before I went with a starter.

Those two changes alone would have forced a game 7, as the Yankees are always a late inning presence, but the Rangers put games away in the middle innings.

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4 years 8 months ago

A) I love how the Yankees losing in the ALCS instantly initiates the “let’s all hate on the Yankees for overspending” crowd. Let’s face it, Texas outplayed the Yankees in the postseason and seemed to just want it more. And admit it, if your team could spend what the Yankees spend on talent you’d want them to do so.B) After a Yankees loss and checking with 6 sources we find out no new information. Of course they want to bring Girardi back. Of course Mo and Jeter are expected to return. Of course we won’t know about Pettitte’s return for awhile. And of course they’ll be looking at Cliff Lee and potentially Greinke. To anyone who has paid attention to the team these were all certainties that we expected.

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johnsilver
4 years 8 months ago

It comes from the opposite quarter from a certain fringe group starts blasting away here and other places when Boston loses, have seen it for years.

Me? More worried about John Farrell leaving and heading to Toronto rather than worried about any holes filled via FA. letting them build the team via the farm system is the right way, just like they started doing 2 years ago and getting fewer and fewer pieces via FA, maybe wait for the bonanza market of Pujols/Agone to hit with Tampa looking like a pitching only team next year and letting MORE rookies play like Kalish and Doubront.

There is no need to imitate the city to the south when more are on the way.

One thing though with regards to 10% payroll difference noticed above between NYY and Boston last season.. that is incorrect, even at the start of the season before the Yanks acquired high PT vet’s Berkman and Wood that they still get taxed on am pretty sure, the difference was 20%.

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4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think the actual % was the point he was making. I think the point was that the Red Sox also have a huge payrol andl as much as the Red Sox love to talk about building from the farm up they are more like the Yankees than any other team. Let’s not forget, this team is paying Lackey and Beckett a combined $33M through the 2014 season. If the Red Sox had the extra revenue the Yankees did, don’t you all think they would have a payroll just as high? The Red Sox are going to spending big on free agents this offseason too. They have too with 2 of their best offensive players becoming free agents.

PS..What will the Nation say if the various farm system rankings come out over the winter and the Yanks are ranked ahead of the Sox? Not saying it will definitely happen, but it is a real possibility.

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johnsilver
4 years 8 months ago

The NYY system may very well be ranked ahead, one must look at BA last season rankings being before Ryan Westmoreland’s life threatening brain surgery. That alone will be a major factor, perhaps offset some with progress made by Ryan Lavarnway and Drake Britton, but not nearly enough to help the loss from one of the top prospects in the game being virtually erased for at least a year, if not forever from the system.

I would not be so sure that Boston is going to pursue the pricey FA this season either, sure Crawford and werth are being thrown about, but I don’t see either as a fit worthy of any kind of LT investment vs the cost. Will the same “beach ball tossing” fans have a hissy fit if they don’t go out and sign one? Sure they will, then they were clamoring to get Drew also, who other than defensively, has been just about average and Werth IMO is no better fit at Fenway for the cost, just take MORE money to sign.

Also.. there is a pretty big difference in making market moves in resigning players (Beckett) rather than going out and signing FA’s to contracts like they did Lackey, don’t confuse the 2 and overall Beckett has been pretty solid when he has been healthy since they acquired him.

Take a look at Boston FA signings over the last several years, Drew@14M, Lackey@16.5M, there are not but those 2 large ones and why they constantly build, build, build through the farm system and it works. Spending 10M+ on the Rule4 draft is the best and smartest way for any team in MLB to compete. If the NYY start to use it more to their advantage now (they have last 3-4 years) then more power to them. They will be one of the 4-5 teams smart enough to exploit what 25+ teams foolishly waste.

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HowdyDoo11
4 years 8 months ago

To be honest with you, how on Earth do you expect the Sox to compete in the AL East with the Yankees spending the way they do? The sox, and other teams as well, have to spend the $$ to even rank in their league.

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Dauger
4 years 8 months ago

The Rays did ok. Didnt they?

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

First, the backpage of the NY Post says it all: “$210M Bust!”

Second, why should the rest of baseball conform to the way the Yankees spend? Who says the Yankees are the model of how to run a franchise (and no that doesn’t mean 27 world championships haha, that’s not where I’m going…)

Third, there’s no guarantee even if and probably WHEN the Yankees offer Lee the most, that he’ll leave Texas. An article in Yahoo today quotes Lee as saying “I definately enjoy it here. Great group of guys. And it’s going to be a good team for several years to come. And I really wouldn’t mind being part of that.”

Century makes a good point below (Mike Francesa said same thing the other day) about taxes and cost of living. Yankees will have to beat Texas offer by a hefty amount to even have a chance and even then there’s no guarantee Lee packs up house again. Just saying.

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NYPOTENCE
4 years 8 months ago

Just in case you forgot it is the Yankees for goodness sake. They can and will outbid any team that competes with them (Especially if it is someone as highly coevted as Lee).

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Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

True, I forgot who I was talking about haha

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4 years 8 months ago

The Yankees have the resources to get both Lee and Greinke, if they’re determined (and if Greinke is actually traded). Lee is the easy on, he’ll only cost money. For Greinke they wouldn’t be playing on their home turf (money) but rather on a relatively even playing field, prospects. Not every team has the prospects for him but the Yankees have Montero, which is a great start. Could be interesting.

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theyankeefanatic
4 years 8 months ago

but Greinke doesn’t want to come to N.Y.C.