Yankees Contact Cliff Lee’s Agent

As expected, the Yankees moved quickly to contract the representation for Cliff Lee, according to an AP report (via ESPN). A baseball official says that the Yankees told Lee's agent, Darek Braunecker, that they will be back in touch later with a contract offer for the left-hander.

The Yankees have long coveted Lee, and are considered one of the front-runners to land the 32-year-old. The Rangers and Nationals are among the other clubs hoping to lock up the prize of the pitching market this winter.


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244 Comments on "Yankees Contact Cliff Lee’s Agent"


4 years 8 months ago

Let’s hope this time it actually happens.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

So the Yankees can continue their capitalistic dominance of payroll over the rest of Baseball?

start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

Damn Commie.

Ian_Smell
4 years 8 months ago

Commie, commie, traitor to our country!

MikhelB
4 years 8 months ago

Yes, let’s hope it happens =D, and while we wait for it to happen, they could go and sign Adrián González to be part of their bench for 22 millions, Crawford for 18 millions to be a pinch runner and each and every one of the closers in the major leagues so they can distribute them in their minors… =D

bonestock94
4 years 8 months ago

Yea, deal with it. Luckily our owners don’t have to deny the fans a great team to maintain extreme wealth.

Septhinox
4 years 8 months ago

Tell more people to watch non Yankee games. Starting with the world series.

Andy Mc
4 years 8 months ago

no.

jordan
4 years 8 months ago

i still think that the rangers will be able to re-sign him

start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

I think it’s down to yanks and Rangers. After losing in the World Series the Rangers new ownership group might want to make a point.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

And keep in mind that Cliff Lee’s home is exactly 4 hours and 58 minutes from Rangers Ballpark (according to mapquest of Cliff Lee’s town to Arlington Texas).

Natinals
4 years 8 months ago

Haha SPAN yousa creep.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Just doing my due dilligence

MikhelB
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, that’s why CC, Texeira, and Burnett signed with the Yanks.

PS
It doesn’t matter if the rangers stadium is near his house, with the money he could get from the Yanks he can buy 10 houses per year in NY.

BWOzar
4 years 8 months ago

Tex signed with the Yankees not just because of the money but because of the way they handled the negotiations. The Boston offer was comparable and the Nationals offer was greater (rumored to have a slightly less AAV, but an extra year). Teixeira specifically said that he asked teams to keep negotiations private and not to negotiate in the press and Boston ignored him and John Henry talked a hell of a lot about him in the papers.

Give Cashman some credit for handling those negotiations simply better than Epstein. Of course it’s easier when you can have a 200+ mil payroll, but Cashman wouldn’t hurt for employers if he ever left the Yankees.

4 years 8 months ago

Henry was pissed at Boras not Teixiera. Boras was basically lying to the Sox and Angels during the contract negotiations, mainly to up the price to the Yankees. It really has nothing to do with Teixiera personally, but of Boras’s dubious antics. The Angels pretty refused to deal with Boras during the 2008/2009 off season after the Teixiera sweepstakes. One reason the Angels weren’t interested in Manny Ramirez

BWOzar
4 years 8 months ago

And he grew up an Orioles fan but with Don Mattingly as a favorite player which doesn’t hurt.

4 years 8 months ago

Haha, what are you a creeper? Jk lmao

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Haha Jennry!

4 years 8 months ago

Haha Davve!

friscofan101
4 years 8 months ago

how long is the flight?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

5 hours I believe. 2 minutes longer.

moonraker45
4 years 8 months ago

how could the flight be longer then the drive

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I meant the flight from NY. The flight from ark is like 1 hour

4 years 8 months ago

In all honesty, it is probably like a 3 hour flight. I just flew from JFK to Aruba and that was only like 5 hours so to Arkansas its probably only like 3.

4 years 8 months ago

only if Lee decides not to take the highest offer!

ATLBraves95
4 years 8 months ago

Surprise! Didn’t see this coming. I think they Yankees are the front runners unfortunately. Imo

Steelslayer
4 years 8 months ago

Buy…Buy…Buy… every top notch player. I wonder what would happen if there was a form of salary cap? The yankees might not field a full team of all stars…that would be tragic

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

Coming from a Yankee fan who watched the team lose to another built around cheap young talent in the ALCS, I can see how your point makes sense..

MikhelB
4 years 8 months ago

Or they could sign them for 1 million and give them a “bonus gift” of 19 millions per year as a thank you for signing with them, or better yet, sign them to be members of the board in a new enterprise of the Steinbrenners with a salary of 20 millions per year, while they are signed to play baseball for 20 dlls per season.

=)

Slopeboy
4 years 8 months ago

Things would be pretty much the same. Those owners that don’t really wish to compete would keep their money and not spend- as many do now.

Just to indulge you a bit. If there were a salary cap, do yopu really believe that all owners would spend to the cap threshold, in order to compete? Don’t bet on it.

Better question,Do you really believe that owners would reduce ticket prices at the ballparks? If you think yes- think again
The NFL,NBA and NHL all have had some form of salary cap for years. When was the last time any of the teams in those leagues reduced ticket prices significantly?

4 years 8 months ago

Cliff Lee will sign with whoever gives him the most money. I think The Yankees and Nationals will be able to givw him the most but ultimately I think lee will sign with The Yankees because they need him so bad they’ll write him a blank check.

4 years 8 months ago

He will NOT sign with the Nationals, he will either be a Yankee or Ranger

4 years 8 months ago

If the nationals give him more money then the yankees or Rangers It would’nt surprise me to sign where the most money was but I think the Nationals will end up trading for a starter like a Matt Garza or Zack Greinke then sign Lee.

4 years 8 months ago

The only way he goes to the Nationals is if the Yankees let him.

4 years 8 months ago

The only way he goes to the Nationals is if the Yankees let him.

BWOzar
4 years 8 months ago

Why not? There’s a lot of buzz that he might go where the highest offer is. And it’s not like the Nationals have no hope. In year 2 he’d be in a rotation with Strasburg and Zimmermann. There’s some hope in the low farm system and they could acquire Lee and still make a serious move for a pitcher like Garza. Lee, Garza, Strasburg, Zimmermann and ? could be 2012’s best NL rotation.

They have one of the best young infielders in the game (maybe the most underrated player in all of baseball) in Zimmerman, have a decent middle infield tandem in Desmond/Espinosa and have (arguably) the #1 prospect in baseball in Harper in the pipeline.

Look, I’m a Yankee fan and would love to watch him pitch every 5th day. But I don’t think it’s an entirely unreasonable notion that he goes to DC.

4 years 8 months ago

2012’s best NL rotation will be the giants. Nobody is touching them and I don’t even like them. Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, and Bumgarner are a very solid and balanced four.

BWOzar
4 years 8 months ago

I think there is some question about that. They’re the best today, but how can you assume health for all 4 of them? The Giants have the best rotation in the NL coming into 2011 (depending on if Philly picks up a decent starter), BUT let’s wait to see if Bumgarner makes progress or Sanchez continues to limit his walks. Let’s see if Lincecum continues to adjust to his slightly diminished velocity. And, again, I never said that hypothetical Washington rotation WOULD be the best, just that it COULD be which is not a completely unreasonable scenario.

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

The Nationals are probably the most severely underrated team in the majors. People don’t seem to realize how close they are to competing.

The Braves are going to improve steadily the next few years, I’ll give that, but…

The Mets are a mess, the Marlins refuse to spend money and the Phillies have signed some shortsighted contracts and severely depleted their farm system the last few years. The Phillies’ window might be closing in a year or two.

The Nationals, meanwhile, have a young, cost controlled core coming up fast and have been drawing consistent top picks the last few years. They’ve got a swiftly improving rotation, one of the best third basemen in the game and are a few role players away from seriously competing in that division.

4 years 8 months ago

Wonder what their 1st offer will be, I’m guessing 5/100

start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

Rumor has it Lee wants a Sabathia-esque contract… so I’d say 5 yr/$100M would get laughed at.

4 years 8 months ago

Well again its a starting point, and I don’t think Lee gets Sabathia money, unless the Yankees, Rangers, and Nationals are really that desperate

Sniderlover
4 years 8 months ago

I’d die of laughter if Yankees signed Lee to a CC type contract.

woadude
4 years 8 months ago

I would die of laughter if he signed for 5 years an 100 million, am i the only one who saw he was hurting in the World Series? he doesnt show it in his face, but his body language said something isnt right here, i think it was either his forearm or possibly his rotar cuff, but at any rate im sure he will pass a physical and my point will be moot but i seriously think he will be 2005-06 Cliff Lee in NY

theyankeefanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Not laughed at…it’s good starting point…then let the rediculous bids begin…i wouldn’t be suprised if he got 7 years 22 million…i hope it doesn’t go there because that would probably mean the Yankees got him and i think thats too much since they already have CC with a contract like that and the last 2 years would probably be a bust but i could see the Yanks going there…Hope i’m wrong…i’m still traumatised by the Arod deal.

4 years 8 months ago

I think it’ll be 105 million over 5 years but i think they’ll go up to 6 years 140 million

BWOzar
4 years 8 months ago

It won’t be as high as 6 years, 140 mil for one simple reason. It would give Lee a higher AAV in his contract than Sabathia and I don’t think they’d do that. I could see them giving him the exact same 23 mil Sabathia makes, but I don’t think they pay him more. Also Lee is almost exactly 2 years older. I have trouble imagining them going to 6 years. I think 5 years, 115 million is the Yankees final offer (23 mil AAV, signed through the same age and money as CC).

4 years 8 months ago

If the Yanks don’t offer 6 years at 140, the Nats will.

I really hope Lee snubs the Yanks after how their fans treated his wife at the ALCS. If the Nats or Rangers make a decent offer, one can hope he will.

4 years 8 months ago

The incident with his wife was blown way out of proportion by the media. Cliff Lee basically said that himself.

4 years 8 months ago

And here… we… go!

4 years 8 months ago

I wonder if the yankees have ever tried drafting and developing players? Nahh Who am I kidding.

JohnnyHamer
4 years 8 months ago

I am definitely a Yankees hater but they have developed a few. However, whenever there is ANY hole in their lineup/rotation it is usually getting filled with the best available FA.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, I feel you. I’d rather go after the worst possible free agents available.

BWOzar
4 years 8 months ago

They sure filled LF with a star last year. Oh wait…they let the star (Damon) walk and replaced him with an untested 2nd year player (Gardner). Some of the moves they made in-season…any body could’ve had Wood, Kearns or Berkman – the Yankees didn’t even take on the full salary of any of those players.

They sign plenty of guys, no question about it, but so do Boston/NYM/Philly/etc. On some level their payroll is higher too just because of the overcommitments to aging stars that weren’t acquired by free agency (Jeter, Rodriguez, Posada have all made more than they would on the open market).

MikhelB
4 years 8 months ago

Just a few, deffinitely just a few, from 2010 alone:

Posada
Cervelli
Canó
Jeter
Peña
Gardner
Marcus Thames
Nick Johnson
Juan Miranda
Eduardo Núñez
Kevin Russo
Colin Curtis
Pettitte
Huges
Mariano
Chamberlain
Iván Nova
Alfredo Aceves
David Robertson

=) 19 players out of 37 (51.35%) players who were with them during the 2010 season.

Rangers 2010:
Julio Borbón
Ian Kinsler
Justin Smoak
Chris Davis
Mitch Moreland
Teagarden
Brandon Boggs
Craig Gentry
Colby Lewis
Tommy Hunter
CJ Wilson
Scott Feldman
Darren Oliver

13 out of 39 (33.33%)

OrangeCards
4 years 8 months ago

Except Nick Johnson and Thames weren’t developed by the Yankees.

But at least you’re familiar with your team …

You can try to spin it any way you’d like, but the Yankees have a significant advantage financially. If it didn’t offer a huge advantage, they wouldn’t do it.

dickylarue
4 years 8 months ago

Johnson & Thames were absolutely developed by the Yankees. They both came up through the Yankee system and went from AAA to the major league roster and played for the Yankees before they were dealt.

They didn’t develop in any other organization’s minor leagues.

xslider138
4 years 8 months ago

actually if you look it up nick johnson and thames came up through yankees minor league system yrs ago. They just signed as free agents this past yr

BWOzar
4 years 8 months ago

Johnson and Thames were developed by the Yankees a long time ago. They were brought back this season. If you recall Johnson was part of the first Vazquez trade and Thames hit a home run on the very first pitch he ever saw off Randy Johnson.

woadude
4 years 8 months ago

You know, you almost had a point until you included spare players who didnt play much of a role and then almost entirely named all the starters for Texas, Texas would have a higher average there when you compare everyday starting lineup players there chief.

BWOzar
4 years 8 months ago

I think it’s a bit disingenuous to include Alfredo Aceves (signed out of the Mexican league – not exactly a player the Yankees developed). Same basic idea with Miranda. Lewis, Johnson, Thames, Oliver and maybe Pettitte are all questionable inclusions – once they leave the organization getting them back later isn’t exactly developing them (hell, Texas failed at developing Lewis, it took Japan to do that).

Also if you’re including guys that are no longer on a team’s roster (Smoak) you’ve gotta do it both ways (Melancon). If you’re going to count minimal contributors for the Yankees (Curtis, Russo) then you need to count minimal contributors for the Rangers (Kirkman, Strop, Mathis, Gentry, etc)

LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 8 months ago

No they stole Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte, Brett Gardner, Robinson Cano, Wang, Melky Cabrera, Jesus Montero, Joba, Hughes, etc. from other teams through free agency.

MetsEventually
4 years 8 months ago

Why is Wang, Cabrera, Joba, Hughes and Gardner on this list?

LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 8 months ago

because they came up through the Yankees system.

Mario Saavedra
4 years 8 months ago

well, they did steal Jeter from the stupidity of the Astros, who drafted Phil Nevin instead.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

How about the good old Reds? Who drafted our good friend Chad Mottola?

LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 8 months ago

Well that was the Astros fault and I wonder why they’re not very good lol.

4 years 8 months ago

Not the Yanks fault.

John DeHart
4 years 8 months ago

Coming from a phillies fan..

Derek Jeter
Andy Pettitte
Mariano Rivera
Brett Gardner
Phil Hughes
Robinson Cano

:

4 years 8 months ago

Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Pettitte. Want recent, Hughes, Cano, Joba, Robertson, Aceves, Gardner. Future, Montero, Brackman, Betances, Banuelos (aka The Killer B’s)
Heathcott, Romine, Sanchez (Gary)…need I go on?

Natinals
4 years 8 months ago

yes.

Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

Well, obviously the 1st 4, then Hughes, Cano and Gardner. Other than that some ??? Not all prospects pan out. Let’s not jump the gun here.

4 years 8 months ago

I know because Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte, Posada, Cervelli, Nova, Gardner, Cano, Hughes, Joba, Austin Jackson, , Jesus Montero, Chien Ming Wang, Dellin Betances, Austin Romine, Adam Warren, etc all were drafted by some other team and the yankees just robbed them and either kept or traded them

mbonzo
4 years 8 months ago

In 2009 the Yankees had the most homegrown players in the American League.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090725&content_id=6049342&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
I couldn’t find an updated 2010 version but after resigning Thames and Nick Johnson, and letting non-homegrowns go (+Damon, +Matsui,-Cabrera) i’m sure its not far off from 56%. The 2010 Yankees farm system will be rated very highly this year, my guess is that it breaks the top 10.

Yanksfan2010
4 years 8 months ago

I guess you forgot about players like Jeter, Rivera, Cano, Pettite, Posada, and Gardner. Learn more about the game before you make a comment. Your just a Yankee hater.

MikhelB
4 years 8 months ago

Check how many players the yankees had in their roster the past two seasons and compare it with those teams that played in the playoffs in 2009 and 2010 you won’t believe that the phillies have more players acquired trough free agency and trades than the yankees, heck even the rangers core players came trough trades/free agency this year.

flickadave
4 years 8 months ago

The Yankees SHOULD have more homegrown players than anyone else. They can draft anyone and not worry whether they can afford to sign them. That means that some of their sandwich picks and second round picks might have gone much higher if other teams had virtually unlimited payrolls. Further, when was the last time the Yankees had another team poach one of their players that they wanted to keep? Pretty tough to outbid a team that has the resources the Yankees do.

4 years 8 months ago

Except on the Adeiny Herrachivia case. His dream was to play for the Yanks, but he opted to go to the Jays because he knew he would make it to the big leagues much faster. This makes me wish Derek Jeter was on his last year as Yankee SS before he retires. Heck, I wish that now.

theyankeefanatic
4 years 8 months ago

agreed…i think the Yanks will be making a mistake if they don’t go year to year with Jeter…i personally only want him to get his 3000 hits with the Yanks besides that historical milestone i’m ok if he is not back after 2011…i would over pay him for 2011 because of that milestone but make a trade for Stephen Drew or Hanely Ramirez after that…or if Jose Reyes finally plays to his potential and decides to hit free agency after i would consider him…and i hope Jeter Arod and Posada contracts don’t get in the way of the Lee offer…

woadude
4 years 8 months ago

I went over the stats to see if Jeter could come close to Pete Rose and although at this stage in both of their careers Jeter has more hits than Rose, Jeter would need to hit 318 hits a year for 4 years in order to catch Pete Rose, or if he could go an astounding 6 more years, he would need to keep his pace of around 200 hits to catch Rose.

dickylarue
4 years 8 months ago

They can draft anyone, but they can’t automatically sign anyone. They drafted Gerit Cole a few years ago #1 and he decided to go to college. He didn’t take millions from the Yankees to sign.

He’ll enter the draft in the next couple of years and be a top 10 pick.

The draft isn’t doing the Yankees any favors.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

THat’s a completely ignortant statement. Name me 1 major draft talent that slipped to the Yanks because no other team could afford him? I’m not talking about guys who fell because they had injury concerns (Andrew Brackman) or had to be talked out of going to college (Dellin Betances) or playing another sport (Austin Jackson) because those were gambles that any team could’ve taken and DB and AJ were late round picks (8th rnders in 2005 and 2006) and neither got a bonus above $1mil. In fact, aside from maybe 2010, the Yanks are not even among the top 5 teams in draft bonus spent per draft over the last 10 years. Pkease stop acting as if the Yanks have stolen any talent away from others in the draft because it hasn’t happened, or else Harper would be a Yankee and so would Strausberg.

flickadave
4 years 8 months ago

OK, name me a few players that the Yankees haven’t drafted because they didn’t think they could afford to sign them. I’ll wait… Of course the Yankees are not going to be amongst the highest teams in draft bonus compensation over the last 10 years. They continually don’t have as many first round or sandwich draft choices because they poach so many type A players from other teams. Please don’t act like the Yankees are on the same playing field when it comes to keeping their star home grown players as all of the other teams. That just makes you look ignorant.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

“OK, name me a few players that the Yankees haven’t drafted because they didn’t think they could afford to sign them”.

Wow.. Not even sure how I would answer that question. You’re the one making the statement that the Yanks are stealing draft players from others. The onus is on you to prove that. I can’t “prove” something I know doesn’t exist.

“Of course the Yankees are not going to be amongst the highest teams in draft bonus compensation over the last 10 years. They continually don’t have as many first round or sandwich draft choices because they poach so many type A players from other teams”.

For the record, the Yanks have had a 1st rnd pick in every draft since 2000-2010 except for 2002. In total, from their own 1st rnders as well as comp picks, the Yanks have had a total of 14 1st rnd selections since 2000. Do you even bother to research stuff before you make insane comments? Furthermore, name me 1 heralded draft pick that the Yanks signed from the draft that was a clear top 1st rnd talent that the Yanks “stole” that fell to them for reasons other than health?

“Please don’t act like the Yankees are on the same playing field when it comes to keeping their star home grown players as all of the other teams”.

And as for home grown players, yes the Yanks have traded some for veteran players but they’ve also held on to Cano, Jeter, Posada, Mo, Gardner, Hughes, Joba, Cervelli and Robertson. They were all integral parts of the 2010 season. They used Austin Jackson, Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy, Phil COke, Mike Dunn and Aroldys Vizcaino to acquire Curtis Granderson, Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan. They have Montero and a host of other C’s, 2B and pitchers that are all either mlb ready or will be in the next 2 years.

So I choose to use things like “facts” and “thought process” to form my conclusions. How about you do the same and stop talking about what makes who look ignorant.

Andrew Sapiro
4 years 8 months ago

They don’t waste any time eh?

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

Looks like I’m going to need a bigger box of tissues for all you cry babies..

Sawksfan
4 years 8 months ago

You may want to keep them for yourself LOL

4 years 8 months ago

I’m going to need those when he becomes an albatross and refuses to believe it and blocks trade attepmts :'(

4 years 8 months ago

I’m going to need those when he becomes an albatross and refuses to believe it and blocks trade attepmts :'(

tony_mciv
4 years 8 months ago

I’ve also been hearing that the Phillies are trying to resign him.

Being a Phillies fan, I don’t understand their thinking, since the Evil Empire will give him everything he wants.

I wonder how Cliff Lee’s wife is going to handle this; she doesn’t like Yankee fans.

…Maybe the Yankees will give her something too >.>

4 years 8 months ago

Evil Empire? Do you realize how high the Phillies payroll is? I guess $142,728,379 is considered small market nowadays….

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

I could be wrong as I haven’t looked at the numbers this week, but last I checked, at this very moment, I believe the Phillies have the highest payroll in baseball. I don’t mean season payroll. I mean committed salaries at this very moment 9:07 EST. Obviously the Yanks will take care of that by the end of the month.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

It is kinda funny.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

It is kinda funny.

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

Nope. According to Cot’s, the Phillies have $143,000,000 committed to next year to the Yankees’ $144,000,000. Definitely VERY close, but the Yankees still have the highest committed payroll.

tony_mciv
4 years 8 months ago

I never said that the Phillies were small market. And they aren’t. (unless you’re stuck in the late ’90s)

flickadave
4 years 8 months ago

Compared to $206,333,389 I wouldn’t say it’s in the same ballpark. Let’s see, the difference would cover Tex, CC, Rivera, and Cano.

alphakira
4 years 8 months ago

The idea that the likely $225+ million payroll for 2011 is anything similar to the Phillies ~$140-$150 million payroll is a joke. They finished the same this year. Imagine if the Phillies had that extra $70 million +? Give me a break, you Yankee fans just need to accept the idea that you buy championships and stop defending a moot point.

You have every other fan in baseball saying so and yet you dummies think you’re the smartest guys in the room…Arrogant/ignorant much?

RangersFan1990
4 years 8 months ago

Money isn’t everything, my team proved that this year. We defeated a team with a payroll over 200 million when ours is what 60 million? Yes, the Yankees will probably get Cliff Lee, but that’s what they have to do to win. The Rangers don’t NEED him, because they run their orginazation properly. They have GREAT prospects (Perez, Scheppers, Kirkman, Beltre) waiting for a chance Without Lee they can still role:

1. Lewis
2. Wilson
3. Hunter
4. Feliz
5. Holland

And move Ogando to closer or just sign someone.

Point is, the Yankees are annoying because they have it so easy and Cashman’s job requires almost no talent (unlike the amazing program Jon Daniels and Co. have instituted), but that’s baseball.

4 years 8 months ago

i love when anti yankees fans bash the yankees for putting money into their team and trying to put a championship caliber team on the field while other owners pocket there money.

PookieGonzales
4 years 8 months ago

cough cough Lozia cough

start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

I assume you mean Loria? You’re having a bad spelling day.

flickadave
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, cause the Pirates would be competitive if they spent the extra $20 million…

start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

They’d be competitive if they had an ownership that over the years actually wanted to compete.

chaifetz10
4 years 8 months ago

Yup. If they had drafted Weiters instead of Moskos, Lincecum instead of Lincoln, BJ Upton instead of Bullinton…..all who they passed on because of money concerns.

OrangeCards
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah, I know, the Yankees aren’t making any money. They are in this for the fun of it. And Yankee pride.

Gurvir Nijjar
4 years 8 months ago

i think the yankees will finnaly not land a top pitcher, cliff lee will stay in texas, the only way the yankees will sign cliff lee is if the yankees give cliff more money than he should be malking

LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 8 months ago

Which they definitely could do.

MB923
4 years 8 months ago

You posted this as if it’s something that’s very uncommon

drumzalicious
4 years 8 months ago

If he goes to the Nationals they could actually do some damage next year and be an even bigger threat in 2012. The offense was already pretty solid last year their pitching was just terrible. If they get someone like LaRoche to play 1B and a couple of cheaper solid hitting outfielders like Pods and Nady they could be a serious team next year.

4 years 8 months ago

Even if they were to get Lee, Pods, Nady, and LaRoche they would still be a worse team than the Phillies and Braves. They have no rotation after Lee, Strasburg is out for most if not all season next year, Marquis and Lannon are average, I don’t see Hernandez having a season like he did last season, and their bullpen is below average. They still have long ways to go before they are contenders

4 years 8 months ago

I don’t think the Yankees can give more money in annual salary to Lee than to Sabathia. Not that they couldn’t afford it, but if Sabathia were to have a better year than Lee next year, CC could opt out of his deal and use the fact that he’s better than Lee as a bargaining chip for more money. Not guaranteeing CC would do that, but its a situation the Yankees would likely try to avoid.

4 years 8 months ago

CC has already stated he will NOT excersise his option, but hey he could change his mind. In the end I think Lee ends up with a 6/130 contract

4 years 8 months ago

I don’t expect he would void it, but, if somehow the situation became unfavorable, he could always use it to try to make a couple of extra bucks (CC on the open market right now, in my opinion, would get 8 years/185).

0bsessions
4 years 8 months ago

That was before he put up a second great season in a row. If he’s in Cy Young contention next season and Lee gets more AAV than him at about the same age? He’ll opt out.

He wanted the opt out in there in the first place and allegedly changed his mind about needing it, nothing stopping him from changing his mind again.

Astropcr
4 years 8 months ago

Slow night?

This one kinda seems like “duh.”

Still wouldn’t be surprised or unhappy to see him sign in Texas, and that’s with myself being a Yankee’s fan. Made for an exciting post season and a great Texas club to give them Angels a wake up call they have needed for last couple years.

Just glad Mike “The Miracle” Angels manager won’t again win the Manager of the Year award.

JayTeam
4 years 8 months ago

IMO it seems the Rangers will get the right of last refusal. Whatever the Yankees offer, Lee will ask the Rangers to match. If they do, he’s a Ranger. If they don’t he’s probably a Yankee. Washington odds..less than 10% (probably much less).

4 years 8 months ago

Wouldn’t it make sense then for him to ask the Yankees for more?

The bidding stops when one side says they won’t go any higher.

JayTeam
4 years 8 months ago

I guess i didn’t phrase it correctly. IMO, the Yankees have to beat the Rangers best offer. The Rangers only have to match the Yankees best offer.

4 years 8 months ago

Yea I would agree with that. It is a question of how much of a premium the Yankees are willing to pay.

moonraker45
4 years 8 months ago

also because taxes are cheaper in texas, he would make more with an equal deal

4 years 8 months ago

Any tax advantage in Texas would be more than compensated for by all the extra endorsement money be would make playing for the Yankees.

moonraker45
4 years 8 months ago

maybe maybe not, but the tax point is guaranteed.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

Also, I didn’t realize this until I read an article about it. MLB players are taxed in 2 ways. Prorated amounts of their salary for 81 games in the state they are based in and the other 81 games are taxed according to the city they played in. It’s crazy but true. Also, when teams exchange offers w/ players and agents it’s done showing the after tax amounts as well so all of that is known up front. So when Lee is comparing offers from, say Ny and Texas, he will already be well aware of what the difference is and so will the Yanks. If the difference is $10 mil then I’m sure the Yanks would take that into consideration for their offer. The opposite of the salary tax issue are the proceeds from endorsements. Jeter has established a residence in the state of Florida and because of that he is taxed according to FL rates and not NY. Not sure what the difference is from Arkansas to NY but I’m sure Lee will have more than one address.

JayTeam
4 years 8 months ago

I guess i didn’t phrase it correctly. IMO, the Yankees have to beat the Rangers best offer. The Rangers only have to match the Yankees best offer.

4 years 8 months ago

Wouldn’t it make sense then for him to ask the Yankees for more?

The bidding stops when one side says they won’t go any higher.

iicristianii
4 years 8 months ago

The yankees are breaking no rules here. Im tired of everyone hating and complaing. The yankees have money to spend and can do what they want with it. Just cause teams pocket their money and dont spend thats not the yankees fault. They take their money and put it back into their product. They pay a luxury tax that gives money to all the teams what ur team does with the money after that who knows. Are you aware the yankees can increase their payroll by millions and millions more are they doing that no.If they wana throw money at lee, crawford, or who ever thats them

OrangeCards
4 years 8 months ago

The Yankees turn a huge profit. Don’t be so delusional. They can spend more not because they are the “most generous, best owners in the world!” but because they also bring in the most money.

Baseball is a business. If the other owners aren’t making a profit, well, the team will not exist for very long.

iicristianii
4 years 8 months ago

How am I delusional I know they bring in the most money the revenue they make is great and I’m aware that its a business my point just was that I’m tired of people complaining like their breaking rules if their team had resources like the yanks they be celebrating. The yanks contirbute a lot thru luxury tax
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4 years 8 months ago

Oh, wait, guys…. Brian Cashman has great “negotiating skills”. It’s why Teix signed with the Yankees. It’s that he’s SOOOO MUCH BETTER than Epstein at socializing. Yeah, that’s it.

NOW THAT was the dumbest thing I’ve read so far here in the comments section. People, the Yankees get players because of the money.

And no, Cashman has not won because of a combination of scouting/develop. and free agency. He’s won mostly of free agency. He has no Cain/Lincecum that he developed or a Lester/Buchholz like Epstein.

4 years 8 months ago

Honestly, to imply the Yankees do not scout and develop shows you know very little of what you are talking about. Their farm system will be ranked in the top 10 in most lists this winter.

They aren’t going to put just anyone on the team though because unless you are really good at your position, they can probably find someone better via free agency. And if you can get a better player, why on earth wouldn’t you?

A lot of prospects may not be a fit for the Yankees but they can be very valuable to other teams and allow you to fill holes via trade.

4 years 8 months ago

Actually i don’t think they will be on top ten lists. Around 12 is good enough. If it is 14 or lower, i’ll have a little bit of a problem with that, but I wouldn’t be surprised because nearly no analysts likes to look at the Yanks minor league prospects.

4 years 8 months ago

This is halarious. First, GMs don’t develop prospects. There’s this thing that all teams have called a “scouting department” that drafts and develops prospects. Second the Yankees, if you look at their rosters, they have had more home grown players than most teams(Robinson Cano, Phil Hughes, Brett Gardner, most of the Bullpen)and have solid regulars holding down jobs for other teams that were developed by them(Austin Jackson, Jose Tabata, Ian Kennedy). They have also scouted and developed the Core Four(Jeter, Mo, Posada, Pettitte). There are alot more players developed by the Yanks who are retired right now. They may not have someone like Lincecum/Cain, or Lester/Buchholz, but they have shown they can develop talent, and I’m pretty sure their gonna finish developing alot more with the Killer B’s and Jesus Montero and Austin Romine looking nearly major league ready.

Yankee hater with absolutely nothing to back it up.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

So Cashman didn’t have a hand in drafting/signing Hughes (18 game winner), Cano (MVP candidate), Gardner (5-6 WAR player), Austin Jackson (who was traded for Grandy), Cervelli (who was a great backup at lge minimum), Swisher (who he traded for a bad of socks) and Arod (who he traded Soriano for)? Not to mention key role players that he picked up for nothing like Berkman (got Astros to kick in $4 mil), Wood (got Indians to kick in $2.4 mil), Kearns and Thames who he signed on a $800k minor lge deal. Yeah you’re right, Cashman didn’t do anything to help build a winning team……except trade or draft for about 6 integral starters and a handfull of key role players.

4 years 8 months ago

As expected. Yankees will shell out money thats fact, but the Rangers can do the same, so if the Rangers can come close to the Yankees offer then Lee will sign with the Rangers. He has already said he loves it in Texas, has fun playing in Texas, and loves the team. So, money aside Rangers win, but if the Yankees bid is way higher than Texas is willing to handle then it become money and Lee will choose Yankees. I just wish Yankee fans would get some class, some do, but most not so much. Lee will decide for himself and for what is best for his family. Don’t automatically assume you can just throw money all over the place and expect players to immediately sign a contract. There are other aspects.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

Cliff Lee and his wife are close friends with Sabathia. His agent also has AJ and Dustin Mosley as Yankee clients and w/ no disrespect to the Rangers, they have a lot of players who in 3 or 4 years might really get expensive and might require the Rangers to make some tough decisions. I’m not saying that the same circumstances are in play that existed when Arod was in Texas but probably the last thing Lee has to worry about is the Yanks cutting lose of their best players because they couldn’t afford them 3 or 4 years down the road. He already went thru that with the Indians and to a lesser extent the Expos. He MIGHT appreciate the fact that he should have an honest chance to play in the playoffs for the life of his contract if he signs with the Yanks. Also, I’m not sure of his personality but he may also have his sights set on breaking Pettitte’s all-time win record of 19 wins in post-season play. He has 7 right now and it’s conceivable that he could appear in 6 or 7 playoff runs if he signs w/ the Yanks. They’ve rattled off 13 in a row recently and have been in 14 of the last 16.

Mike Mussina joined the Yanks at age 32 and during his 8 year career with the Yanks from 2001-2008 he went 123-72. Lee has already won 102 games and who knows, a 200 game winning lefty on championship caliber teams and an all-time post season winner pedigree playing in the NYC media might lead to HOF consideration that maybe he wouldn’t get under too many other circumstances.

theyankeefanatic
4 years 8 months ago

This is a great point…i hope Lee takes this into consideration in addition to the bottom line…