Dodgers Non-Tender Russell Martin

The Dodgers non-tendered Russell Martin, making him a free agent, the team announced on Twitter today. Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that they tried hard to trade the catcher first (Twitter link), but Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times reports that the Dodgers still have some interest in Martin (Twitter links). The last proposal Martin made the Dodgers was for $5MM, plus $1MM in incentives, according to Hernandez.


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Ricky
4 years 9 months ago

Mets should get him

4 years 9 months ago

Josh Thole could easily put up the same offensive numbers that Martin has put up the last year or two.

4 years 9 months ago

.680 OPS. Yikes.

4 years 9 months ago

Well with what he did in the majors this year and the well over 1,000 PA he put up in the minors, I’d say a solid OBP/low power line is to be expected out of Thole. And considering that’s pretty much what Martin has done the past couple years, why not give the kid the chance to be the everyday catcher? He’s no more of a risk than any young player is.

Ricky
4 years 9 months ago

Maybe….Martin is a better more polished catcher….he interests me….

Sampsonite168
4 years 9 months ago

Thole needs to be mentored. Martin is not the guy for that kind of job.

Ricky
4 years 9 months ago

Ur probably right

MitchNYM
4 years 9 months ago

Totally agree, what the Mets need is to either keep Henry Blanco or sign a Gregg Zaun type.

4 years 9 months ago

I was about to mention Greg Zaun since he and Thole have a similar skill set.

craig s (ManusBret)
4 years 9 months ago

haha yeah right! you guys claimed enough Former Dodger Catchers

4 years 9 months ago

Piazza, LoDuca, Martin…get your own catchers!

Ricky
4 years 9 months ago

Hey it worked before ;)))

4 years 9 months ago

Melancholy about this. Sad to see him go and would like to see a small figure offer made as a FA. Handled the staff well. Would love to see him bounce back.

4 years 9 months ago

Im sorry Russ! Best luck to you, wherever you go.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

It is sad to see him go, but he just couldn’t stay healthy.

thegrayrace
4 years 9 months ago

This was his first major injury…?

4 years 9 months ago

It took a broken hip to get him out of a game.

thegrayrace
4 years 9 months ago

This was his first major injury…?

Alex Gomez
4 years 9 months ago

Wow. Was expecting to sign him for lower amount….

I think I’m just surprised due to us LAD fans loving our catchers and bring heart broken….Piazza, LoDuca…etc

Vail Beach
4 years 9 months ago

Does this move foreclose the “lower amount” option? I don’t think so, but I might be behind on the news.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

I really wouldn’t mind if Jays picked him up. Could help us out at C/1st/DH.

4 years 9 months ago

LOL @ DH. Manny Ramirez at age 38 put up better numbers than Russell Martin’s best year. Oh and Martin has a busted hip. The ONLY value in Martin lies as a catcher. You want a 1B/DH who has a .680 OPS over the last 2 years in the AL East? If he wasn’t from Toronto, would you care?

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

I didn’t even know he was from Toronto and I could care less. He gives the Jays a few options. 1st base and catcher are still unknown and we have no idea how well Arencibia might play and whether or not if he can stick… same with Lind. Martin can move around and it’s few options to play with.

And get over with your Manny Ramirez bullcrap. He is just a DH with baggage and we already have no idea whether or not if Lind and Arencibia can play their position. What if they struggle? You can’t play them at the DH spot because Manny would be taking that spot.

Martin is still pretty young and with a change in scenery, he can return to his old self. Had a good OBP although his power really slipped.

4 years 9 months ago

“I didn’t even know he was from Toronto and I could care less”I believe it’s “couldn’t”. “Martin can move around”Martin has ZERO value anywhere other than C.”And get over with your Manny Ramirez bullcrap. He is just a DH with baggage”I’ll take a guy that still puts up a .410 OBP at age 38 with some “baggage” over a dude that slugs .330. This is a results oriented business last time I checked. And can you stop acting like Martin is going to play half his games at C and the other half at 3B/1B? The guy has a broken hip. He can’t even run under next year yet all of a sudden he’s our super utility defensive player? Ugh.

Ben_Cherington
4 years 9 months ago

I believe it’s “couldn’t”.

dont be that guy

4 years 9 months ago

To be fair, it is “couldn’t”.

4 years 9 months ago

Just helping him out.

Ben_Cherington
4 years 9 months ago

well i could care less:) haha i thought it was kinda funny! ill have to be careful if i see you around!

Ben_Cherington
4 years 9 months ago

well i could care less:) haha i thought it was kinda funny! ill have to be careful if i see you around!

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Thanks grammar police!

crashcameron
4 years 9 months ago

is that the Kelsey Grammer police?
he’s from Toronto, too, isn’t he?
isn’t every Canadian “from Toronto”?!

thegrayrace
4 years 9 months ago

Ugh. I generally don’t give a crap about grammar, but that one in particular is a pet peeve of mine. Probably because almost everyone gets it wrong. And it’s really not that complicated.

4 years 9 months ago

Its a baseball forum, not an english class. I dont “proof-read” what I post, in fact, Im so bad at typing, I have to look down at the keypad while typing. if you are here to correct spelling, find a job in a school, you are much more needed there.. if you want to talk baseball, nevermind the occasional misspelling. Life is too short for a grammar contest on a baseball blog. Lighten up people.

Grayrace, this wasnt really to you, just a reply for everyone who wasted time figuring out the difference between could nad couldnt, when everyone knew what the dude was saying.

Side note.. are you a bad religion fan?

Alvaro Ortiz
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed. I hear he can play 3rd too, so he’d fill every position vaccuum Toronto has.

The idea of Lind at first makes me cringe. Let him focus on improving his hitting first and then allow him to try out at 1st. I feel as though having him work on his footwork and fielding skill is too much to burden the guy with because if he starts the season as a crappy hitter AND a crappy fielder it’s a just huge step backward. Bah! I hope they trade him, I hate seeing Lind strike out.

But yeah. I like Martin too.

4 years 9 months ago

You hate Lind but like Martin as your 1B? Is this Bizzaro day? Lind had an absolutely abysmal year last year. OBP under .290. Yet that “crappy hitter” ‘s OPS was still .33 points higher than Martin. What does that say about Martin? And you’re being kind of naive if you think Martin at this point in his injury riddled career can handle 3B.

mikecarlucci
4 years 9 months ago

Well, he’s Canadian. That must count for something.

4 years 9 months ago

Ya, if he signs for loonie’s on the dollar.

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

ok ok ok kenny williams call him now..sign him let him and AJ split time and DFA castro

4 years 9 months ago

I like, I like!

4 years 9 months ago

Was just thinking that. They probably just didn’t want to take the risk. I was hoping they’d get him too, on a one year incentive deal with an option. Oh well. :(

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

thats what flowers is for he is the back up back up catcher

yazpik
4 years 9 months ago

Mariners…

4 years 9 months ago

…probably can’t afford him with teams like Boston after him, but would definetly like to add him.

bleedDODGERblue
4 years 9 months ago

Bostons not after him they just resigned Varitek unless theyre trading saltowhatevertheheck his name is

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

While I think it lessens the likelihood, I wouldn’t count them out. Martin’s a right hander who, despite serious regression, has always exhibited great plate discipline. To my knowledge, Saltalamacchia still has options, so they could, if pressed, peg him as the starter in AAA to start the season and give Martin a whirl. If he doesn’t work out, they can cut him and eat the money, if he does, they can bring Salty back up as a September callup or when Varitek innevitably gets hurt.

Salty’s making league minimum, so even if they gave Martin the $5 million plus incentives he wants, we’d still only have about as much dedicated to the catching position as the Marlins do. I’ve always liked the idea of having Martin in Boston and with it so easy to do, I really want to see Epstein bite on this one.

AthleticsFan
4 years 9 months ago

The Dodgers should have tendered him a contract he probably could have bounced back. Stupid move

grabarkewitz
4 years 9 months ago

Probably? Do you know something about hip injuries that several doctors don’t? He was a huge risk to ever come back to his 2008 levels, even if he was healthy. Anything more than $2 million plus incentives is throwing money away.

carlos
4 years 9 months ago

thats a big risk for 6 million

Cody
4 years 9 months ago

Red Sox should get him, to put everything on Salty is crazy. You have no idea what he will be as an everyday catcher. This is great now we don’t have to give up anything to get a solid player that could hit 20 homers in a good year.

4 years 9 months ago

He’s never hit 20 home-runs ONCE in his career. But yes, I’m sure he’ll do it if he becomes a Red Sock.

4 years 9 months ago

But put him in Fenway and the HR totals are bound to go up

4 years 9 months ago

I could insert 20 stadiums into where you put Fenway there. It means nothing. “Put him in Texas and he’ll hit 40!” Again, he hasn’t hit 20 ONCE in his career. And he’s hurt.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Is 19 really that off from 20 dude? I mean he probably won’t hit 20 ever but stop being so literal.

4 years 9 months ago

“I mean he probably won’t hit 20 ever ”

So we agree? Cool, then don’t nitpick over semantics.

4 years 9 months ago

You definitely get the “Debbie Downer Award” in this thread. The optimism isn’t entirely unfounded here. The guy has a ton of talent, when he finally does feel 100%, and all indications are that he will be ready for spring training, there’s no telling how he’ll bounce back. Especially in a park like Fenway with it’s short porch in right. I think the Red Sox are done with their catching but Epstein never shys away from low risk/high reward types.

4 years 9 months ago

“So we agree? Cool, then don’t nitpick over semantics.”

Says the guy who nitpicks grammar…

TheHotCorner
4 years 9 months ago

After reading this thread you obviously are a contestant for “Troll of the Year”. But maybe I am just “nitpicking”.

dire straits
4 years 9 months ago

Ridiculously great year, you mean. 20 home runs is pushing it, man.

4 years 9 months ago

This has Red Sox written all over it

ThinkBlue10
4 years 9 months ago

Wow! So i guess Barajas or the scrub, Ellis is our solution behind the plate. That is horrible!

thegrayrace
4 years 9 months ago

Martin had a .249 BA and .680 OPS over the last two seasons. Those numbers basically match the career numbers for Barajas. Martin draws walks, Barajas hits homeruns… about the only difference offensively.

Martin was the better defender. I say was because his injury likely impacts that. We’ll see how it plays out.

A.J. Ellis is basically a clone of Martin offensively. Has almost zero power, but can draw walks with the best of them. Despite the poor CS% in his limited amount of ML playing time, Ellis is a good defensive catcher.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

“Martin draws walks, Barajas hits homeruns… about the only difference offensively.”

As someone who’s dealt with Varitek behind the plate more often than not the last four years, I’ll take the walks over home runs from the catching position. Having a guy hit a bomb once in a while is no substitute for a catcher who doesn’t give away an at bat, especially if you have a relatively strong lineup around the guy.

4 years 9 months ago

Honestly, when all is said and done, Martin’s non tendering is the least surprising development given his injury recovery makes his status iffier. WHich means they couldn’t really get good value out of trading him. They clearly still want him back. They want more time to negotiate a contract that will be more appropriate for his status including whatever incentives seem appropriate. I hope they bring him back. But now of course they have to compete with other teams.

L.A.JOSHER
4 years 9 months ago

god i hope dodgers can still work out a contract i dont want to see one of my favorite players wear another uniform

TommyL
4 years 9 months ago

Both Martin and Dioner Navarro nontendered. My how things have changed for Dodger catchers.

4 years 9 months ago

Now it all comes down to if he wants to be a Dodger or get slightly more money somewhere else.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

A) Red Sox can continue to laugh hard at some of the Ellsbury for Martin proposals that others mentioned today in the other posts.

B) Dodgers should be utterly ashamed that they simply cut Martin and got nothing in return. “Hard to trade” ? If you know you have intentions on releasing him then you find a deal rather than getting nothing. They have the power and they are better off getting something of value in return even if it’s just a “b” prospect or fringe relief pitcher.

I want the Yanks to sign Martin and offer some competition between Montero and Cervelli next year and act as a safety net in case Montero can’t make the team out of spring training. As it stands if something should go wrong with Montero (extremely poor spring training or an injury) then we would be stuck with Posada and Cervelii all over again.

4 years 9 months ago

Montero has no business being in AAA as it is. Unless he’s traded, he should split time with Posada at C/DH. Really no room for Martin IMO.

ehaz
4 years 9 months ago

A little more time in AAA could help him. Montero’s a young player still very unproven as a catcher. It wouldn’t hurt to have him catch everyday to start off the season. It would most likely do more good than bad for the guy, keeping a top prospect like Montero on the bench could keep him from developing. I say have him start off in AAA with the intention of calling him up early June.

4 years 9 months ago

Nearly every pro scout has said that he will never stick at catcher. A couple extra games at AAA will not make him a good receiver all of a sudden.

ltdibo020
4 years 9 months ago

That’s kind of “older” scouting reports…but your right until last year when his defense behind the plate got much better. The thing that makes Montero so interesting is that he is getting better each year, he is a big target and barrels more balls, according to Baseball american, than any other hitter in AAA….He is still only 21, just turned 21 last week…amazing how he has zoomed thru the minors excelling at every level. No he will not be a good receiver all of a sudden but the Ynaks think he will be adequate,which would be just fine, the thing is though, does he really need to be “that good” to equal what we saw out of Posada and cervelli this past year….one couldn’t block any balls, nor throw anyone out and the other didn’t hit one homer all year. Its his job and all he has to be is adequate. I understand the scouts say he has quite an arm, also….He has the tools to improve each and every year….Should be exciting to watch. Another Yankee home grown player who could be real good???

4 years 9 months ago

I don’t disagree with the bat at all. And no he cannot be any worse than Posada. But he is not a good defensive catcher in the slightest, by all accounts.

ltdibo020
4 years 9 months ago

Totally agree as I look thru scouting reports. But also I think he is even a better hitter in AAA than I thought….Mashing the ball in the 2nd half at a .351 clip with 14 hrs in his last 44 games. Numerous scouts now indicate he is the best pure hitter left in the minors…he had 6 errors and 12 passed balls last year to back up your claim. I’l have to look at how many Posada had…I think he had quite a few also….Thanks for info

ltdibo020
4 years 9 months ago

That’s kind of “older” scouting reports…but your right until last year when his defense behind the plate got much better. The thing that makes Montero so interesting is that he is getting better each year, he is a big target and barrels more balls, according to Baseball american, than any other hitter in AAA….He is still only 21, just turned 21 last week…amazing how he has zoomed thru the minors excelling at every level. No he will not be a good receiver all of a sudden but the Ynaks think he will be adequate,which would be just fine, the thing is though, does he really need to be “that good” to equal what we saw out of Posada and cervelli this past year….one couldn’t block any balls, nor throw anyone out and the other didn’t hit one homer all year. Its his job and all he has to be is adequate. I understand the scouts say he has quite an arm, also….He has the tools to improve each and every year….Should be exciting to watch. Another Yankee home grown player who could be real good???

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

What I said was “if” he has a poor spring OR gets injured. It was said by Cashman that he would have to earn the position (i.e. he would really have to suck immensly not to win it). ALso, he’s had a number of small injuries that have bothered him in the past, mostly related to running and a thumb problem.

Big IFs but IF he doesn’t win the job or gets hurt during spring training then the Yanks are left with Posada who they don’t want to catch more than 1 or 2 games a week and Cervelli. Not very much depth right now and you don’t want to rush Romine either.

Martin is certainly a luxury (as opposed to bringing in a journey man type) and if he’s healthy could probably get a full-time gig somewhere else but it would be nice if the Yanks could get him. When healthy he’s Cervelli with more pop with the type of defense Cervelli showed in 2009.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

“Big IFs but IF he doesn’t win the job or gets hurt during spring training then the Yanks are left with Posada who they don’t want to catch more than 1 or 2 games a week and Cervelli. Not very much depth right now and you don’t want to rush Romine either. ”

I wish so much that the MLB GM’s would all get together and just decide to stop giving a crap about offense out of the catcher position. What you just cited SHOULD be plenty and honestly, I’m content with my squad going into the season with Saltalamacchia and Varitek (Though I would gladly take Martin on). I actually saw a guy on the Boston Globe yesterday whining about how you can’t get by in the AL East without strong catching, but last I checked, catching in the AL East is kind of a mess right now. Sure, the Orioles, Yankees and Blue Jays all have young guys who MIGHT work out, but last I recall, no AL East team currently has a lock to perform behind the dish.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

What I said was “if” he has a poor spring OR gets injured. It was said by Cashman that he would have to earn the position (i.e. he would really have to suck immensly not to win it). ALso, he’s had a number of small injuries that have bothered him in the past, mostly related to running and a thumb problem.

Big IFs but IF he doesn’t win the job or gets hurt during spring training then the Yanks are left with Posada who they don’t want to catch more than 1 or 2 games a week and Cervelli. Not very much depth right now and you don’t want to rush Romine either.

Martin is certainly a luxury (as opposed to bringing in a journey man type) and if he’s healthy could probably get a full-time gig somewhere else but it would be nice if the Yanks could get him. When healthy he’s Cervelli with more pop with the type of defense Cervelli showed in 2009.

4 years 9 months ago

Guess the Yanks were trying to trade Cervelli for Martin. I heard they even exchanged medical records. I really cant understand how Ned Coletti screwed this up so bad

4 years 9 months ago

Guess the Yanks were trying to trade Cervelli for Martin. I heard they even exchanged medical records. I really cant understand how Ned Coletti screwed this up so bad

4 years 9 months ago

Welcome to the padres

dieharddodgerfan
4 years 9 months ago

Any team that guarantees Martin anything over $2 mill is taking a big risk. He’s still rehabbing and can’t run and even when he was healthy, he was in the midst of a 2 yr decline.

Russell’s best move is to re-sign with the Dodgers on an incentive-laden deal unless some team does get stupid and actually throws something like $4 mill guaranteed at him.

Russell needs to get back to trying to hit doubles and going with pitches rather than just trying to swing for the fences. He’s lost his ability to take walks and get on base and doesn’t make enough solid contact anymore.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Actually his walk rate in 2010 of 12.4% was his highest ever except for 2008 when it was 13.8%. His declining OBP is due to his declining batting average. His KO% has jumped to 18.4% which is the highest ever so the “swinging for the fences” might be correct our it could be due to the bad hip.

Potrzeba
4 years 9 months ago

Boston needs to sign this guy, and he could be our catcher or 3rd baseman backup. Then have lowire, McDonald, nava, varitek on our bench.

4 years 9 months ago

In 5 years time he’s played a whopping 11 games at 3B. And that was before he blew out his hip.

4 years 9 months ago

Wow, you really seem to hate Martin, seeing as how you’ve trolled the entire post. And I believe the term is ‘fractured his hip’, not ‘blew out his hip’, grammar cop.

4 years 9 months ago

And you’ve trolled a troll as your first post. Congrats. You have a bright future here.

4 years 9 months ago

I save my comments for special occasions.

All trolling aside- Not sure how a Barajas/Ellis tandem is better than bringing Martin back. Hoping to see the Dodgers resign him, as he’s the best chance they have at getting any decent production out of the catcher’s spot.

thegrayrace
4 years 9 months ago

If Martin’s injury potentially prevents him from catching, that’s how Barajas/Ellis is better. Perhaps it is misguided, but I’m trusting Dodger staff/trainers/coaches on their evaluation of Martin’s condition.

At least on the offense end of things, Barajas and Ellis aren’t a downgrade from Martin, either. They basically provide the same thing. A batting average in the .240-.260 range with an OPS a bit below .700. Ellis is basically a Martin clone at the plate (good OBP, nothing else), while Barajas doesn’t draw walks but will give you the occasional HR to make up for it.

4 years 9 months ago

And you’ve trolled a troll as your first post. Congrats. You have a bright future here.

4 years 9 months ago

Wow, you really seem to hate Martin, seeing as how you’ve trolled the entire post. And I believe the term is ‘fractured his hip’, not ‘blew out his hip’, grammar cop.

thegrayrace
4 years 9 months ago

Can’t believe they were able to get something for Theriot and not Martin… bizarre.

BlueSkyLA
4 years 9 months ago

Consider Martin’s declining offense, the fact that he’s is trying to come back from a serious injury, hasn’t played since the middle of last season, and nobody will know if he can play this year until Spring Training. Compare that to a healthy player, and I think the result is not so bizarre. What I thought was bizarre was all the trade talk. In fact in Martin you’re looking at a perfect non-roster invitee case. I still think he comes back to the Dodgers with a performance-based contract, at least once he finds out that nobody is going to take a $4-5m risk on somebody who could potentially be unable to perform, or spend the season on the DL.

thegrayrace
4 years 9 months ago

Well… I’m more surprised that someone saw value in Theriot exceeding $3m/year than anything else.

I would think other teams would be more willing to take a risk on a former All-Star catcher than an overpaid middle infielder who should really be nothing more than a utility player.

No way Martin comes back to the Dodgers, IMO. They were clearly ready to sign Barajas the second that Martin refused their last offer. That wasn’t a coincidence. They’ll go with Barajas/Ellis and if they’re going to spend anything more on offense, it’ll be on LF, 1B, or 2B/3B (with Blake moving into utility/platoon role).

Some team will guarantee Martin $4m+. It is being reported that the Dodgers offered $4m + $1m incentives. He calculated that he could get more elsewhere (or thought the Dodgers were bluffing about non-tendering him), and the Dodgers moved on.

BlueSkyLA
4 years 9 months ago

It’s all a matter of team needs. If a player like Theriot fits in, he’s worth the $3m. If he doesn’t fit in, he’s worth zero. That’s why you can’t abstract player value, as so many fans like to do these days. Clearly Theriot was worth something to more than one team, or he’d have been non-tendered.

You might be right about the Dodgers and Martin. They may have mutually burned their bridges. I’m hoping not. I’d prefer to see Martin/Barajas to Barajas/Ellis.

BlueSkyLA
4 years 9 months ago

Consider Martin’s declining offense, the fact that he’s is trying to come back from a serious injury, hasn’t played since the middle of last season, and nobody will know if he can play this year until Spring Training. Compare that to a healthy player, and I think the result is not so bizarre. What I thought was bizarre was all the trade talk. In fact in Martin you’re looking at a perfect non-roster invitee case. I still think he comes back to the Dodgers with a performance-based contract, at least once he finds out that nobody is going to take a $4-5m risk on somebody who could potentially be unable to perform, or spend the season on the DL.

4 years 9 months ago

Seriously!!