Odds & Ends: Marlins, Cardinals, Bruce, Jeter

Links for Saturday night…

  • Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post says the Marlins are still looking for bullpen help (specifically a veteran lefty), a lefty bat off the bench, and outfield help.
  • Cardinals GM John Mozeliak said that his team's lineup is set for 2011 after today's Lance Berkman pickup, reports Derrick Goold of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Twitter links). Mozeliak described the team's payroll as "leaking," adding that Berkman received a higher salary as a trade-off for just one year.
  • Jay Bruce is optimistic about a new contract with the Reds according to MLB.com's Mark Sheldon. Bruce mentions that nothing is imminent, however. 
  • SI.com's Jon Heyman tweets that about five teams called to express interest in signing Derek Jeter before he re-upped with the Yankees, though the shortstop never considered going anywhere else. In fact, he didn't even listen to what they had to say (Twitter link).
  • The recently non-tendered George Sherrill has drawn some interest according to Marc Carig of The Star Ledger (Twitter link). The Yankees are not one of the interested teams, however.
  • Evan Grant of The Dallas Morning News looks at Plan B and C should Texas be unable to retain Cliff Lee.
  • Nick Piecoro of The Arizona Republic tweets that Chad MacDonald will be the Mets' new scouting director. He served as the Diamondbacks director of international scouting for the last two years. 


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78 Comments on "Odds & Ends: Marlins, Cardinals, Bruce, Jeter"


Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I think Texas offers the best package to the Royals. Ben Badler told me that Profar/Holland/Beltre is too light whereas Adam Foster told me Scheppers/Holland/Beltre/Profar is too much…I think Profar/Holland/Beltre is more than enough.

baseballz
4 years 8 months ago

I’d think your pretty bang on with your proposal.

Similar package as to the one San Diego got; though, Profar is a much better prospect then Rizzo, I think Holland has a similar ceiling to Kelly and I’d say Beltre and Fuentes are comparable, though I’d rather have Beltre.

If your the Rangers do you pursue the trade and give up on Lee ? Or do you try and beat out the Yankees and then use Greinke as a plan B, knowing you could lose out on both if you wait to long ?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Thanks, and i’d wait unti Cliff Lee signs.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

I seldom question you Mr. Span but now I must. I read on another Greinke post where you mentioned a Yankee proposal and the same Texas proposal of Holland/Jurickson/Beltre. The Yankee proposal was for Montero/Betances/Joba/Adams.

I love Derek Holland’s stuff and since he and Joba are both mlb’ers (as opposed to prospects) we can compare them. Because Holland is a lefty and a year younger and is still seen as a starter I will give him the edge even though Joba has better career peripherals (FIP, K/9, whip, etc). However, Montero, Betances and Adams are far better talent wise, been tested at much higher levels, are more closer to being mlb ready and are at more premium positions than Profar and Beltre.

Also, Profar and Beltre are decent prospects but much more “toolsy” and based on projection. Those guys often flame out before they even make it to AA.

Where’s the love homie? I mean Montero is already and Betances might well join him as top 50 prospects this year. Adams suffered a broken angle but looks like a Dustin Pedroia type 2B although he may not have as good a glove yet.

myname_989
4 years 8 months ago

I think Profar and Beltre are definitely important parts of any package that the Rangers can put together, but I can’t see why Derek Holland would have value to the Royals. Why acquire a guy who’s service clock is already ticking when the Rangers have a number of good arms that are close to the Major League level that can step in and help the Royals? I wouldn’t even include Holland.

Profar / Scheppers / Beltre / Perez

Sounds like a lot, but I think the Royals can position themselves like this. They don’t have to trade Greinke, and pretty much have the Adrian Gonzalez of pitching. With Christian Colon already in the system, Profar would be a pretty interesting middle infield acquisition, with a plus-potential outfielder and two very talented arms.

I usually go heavy on the prospects, but I think the Royals would take three out of four of those guys in a heartbeat, and could command all four because Greinke is under contract for two seasons.

not_brooks
4 years 8 months ago

Ken Rosenthal wants to know what the Orioles are going to do this offseason?

I have an answer for him: Nothing. At least nothing of significance.

But they’ll still make money, which is fine with King Peter. And so the reign of Andy the Incompetent will continue.

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

UGH so this means that 2011, i have to watch Schumaker and Berkman play defense and don’t get to enjoy Ryan play shortstop? Man, what a downgrade. Please be healthy David Freese…

jaybuck
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah but get to see Berkman hit instead of the joke we call Ryan’s offense

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

thats true. Hopefully Skip bounces back to pre-2010 and Freese is healthy. Last season, we had Pedro Feliz and Felipe Lopez getting regular time at third base. Our offense could be outstanding next season. Defense….well…hopefully Berkman never has a ball hit to him.

i usually don’t post lineups but i feel compelled to do so now that 2011 is set.

Theriot- .280/.340/.400 with 25 steals? seems reasonable if he gets platooned a bit
Schumaker- .285/.350/.375. Almost entirely against righties
Pujols- .320/.410/.600 he just isn’t human
Holliday- .310/.375/.550 Seems about right, maybe a bit generous
Rasmus- .275/.375/.500
Berkman- .275/.360/.475
Freese- .280/.350/.415 please stay healthy…
Molina- .290/.360/.375 08-09 and 2nd half 2010 form

so much better than having to watch Ryan, Lopez, and Feliz get regular playing time….

4 years 8 months ago

This is off subject, but why the picture change?

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

dunno, the roy halladay with a cardinal hat picture got old. I’m thinking about making one of Evan Longoria in a cardinal hat.

4 years 8 months ago

That’d be pretty cool.

BlueCatuli
4 years 8 months ago

Don’t count on Theriot as a base stealers, or a receiver to throw out opposing base stealers. Molina’s stellar arm might be the only thing that saves him, but don’t be surprised if his % goes down and Theriot is a direct result. I think Bob Brenly wanted to personally beat him everytime a guy was safe that should have been out because he and Fontenot were so awful at receiving and tagging.

jaybuck
4 years 8 months ago

what exactly does leaking mean lol?

jaybuck
4 years 8 months ago

ps good thing Waino, Carp, Garcia, Westbrook, and Lohse are predominately groundball pitchers

TXHC
4 years 8 months ago

It’s okay everyone. The Yankees don’t have any interest in George Sherrill, so don’t worry about him.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

sign Joe Beimel…trade Leo Nunez and Edgar Olmos for Ben Revere, use that money to sign Matt Guerrier, and take Paulo Orlando in the Rule 5 Draft.

There you have it! Go Marlins!

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

revere is worth more than Nunez who sort of sucks and Olmos who i have only vaguely heard of.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Nunez is good he just had a awful august, ERA over 9 i think

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Nunez has a tendency to break down in September, but he has electric stuff and could be a solid late inning hit for any team, like he is on the Marlins minus his september stats. I think that trade is pretty even actually.

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

regardless, that month still counts. relievers aren’t worth much in general either, especially ones who are about to get a bit expensive and aren’t well established. revere is worth more than nunez and a throw in.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

If he’s handled properly then he’s worth it. Its hard to find young controlable strike out arms who throw 96.

Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

not really. not saying they grow on trees or anything, but i can think of quite a few who would cost a lot less than Revere.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Sure. So can I… I’m just saying that I think the deal would be fair.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 8 months ago

Nunez is my second favorite reliever to watch. He does have electric stuff, and he seems to go through a few week stretch every season where he can’t get an out when he needs one. Most days he just toys with the hitter. I’d take him.

Since you’re dying to know, my favorite is Brian Wilson, with honorable mention to Billy Wagner and Mike Adams.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Good choices. Who doesn’t love Billy Wagner?

But yeah I love Nunez as well. I have a funny story about he and I that ill share another time, but he’s an outstanding young arm with electric stuff. He’s undervalued because of his bad Septembers. I think he’d be a good fit for the Twins with Revere coming to the Marlins.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

You seem to have olmos in every trade.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Almost every. Not every.

4 years 8 months ago

Ben Revere….STUD. But come on, a GM would have to be on some serious stuff to take Nunez and Olmos for him and call it a day. That just doesn’t seem like fair compensation.

BobbyJohn
4 years 8 months ago

Don’t go plucking Beimel! My Rockies need him back!

Why O’Dowd didn’t sign him to a contract for 2011 during the 2010 season is beyond me. I know Matt Reynold is good to go out there from the left side, but after him it’s Franklin Morales and that is just TOO SCARY to contemplate.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Matt dominguez is the marlins top prospect so you don’t want coghlan at 3b and then he would have to move positions again. Put cogz at second infante at third, then trade for a good center fielder.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

Come on Marlins! Sign Scott Downs! Give the Jays a high draft pick!

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Haha good joke

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

what joke, you guys signed john buck. marlins don’t have very good decision making skills if you haven’t been following your team much.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

The marlins cap is filled up we don’t have enough money to sign someone like downs. Too pricey.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

what do you think the going rate for lefty specialists are these days? ive never heard of any non closer reliever being deemed as too pricey before.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Downs is type A he is one of the best there are obviously cheaper options.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

he’s going to make it our with a 3 million dollar/year contract MAYBE 4 million at the most, but just because he’s type A doesn’t mean he’s gonna get paid a whole lot more. teams still pay market value to sign relievers unless they love to waste money.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

its because beinfest is a moron…i still can’t believe Atlanta made off like it did with the Uggla deal

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

i feel yah. their entire team is a mess right now

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Not really at all. We are actually set up really, really well.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

well im confounded as to why you traded andrew miller and camreon maybin is all. its the remaining pieces of 2008’s blockbuster deal that sent miguel over to the tigers

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

We turned those two in to 3 relievers. Two of them are outstanding young arms. They will now man a bullpen that was the teams weakness last year.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

well it seems a sorry waste but if it helps your teams cause its not to bad of a deal. miller wasn’t good enough to relieve?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No he can’t relieve, he’s now a free agent and will be lucky to get a Major League Deal

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

No the dude had a 7 plus ERA in AAA and his velocity went down. Six traded for him and now the just non tendered him thus saying he sucks.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

holy nuts 😐

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah marlins are looking good i don’t think you have a clue about them.

4 years 8 months ago

Even if the marlins did have the money to sign scott downs, we sure as hell wouldn’t give up the draft pick necessary to do so. not sure if you follow the marlins much, but that is not something they do.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

I don’t really know the marlins, but they used to be the type that traded for high end prospects like hanely ramirez. now i just think they make bad moves or worse, they think they have a shot to compete this year :|. either way, they’ve screwed themselves for this season most definatly with or without their first round draft pick.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No…If you don’t know the Marlins then you can’t say they screwed themself up for this season and “marlins don’t have very good decision making skills if you haven’t been following your team much.”

They have two of the top 5 smartest guys in Baseball…Just a not so very good owner.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

i of course speak in recent history, and just because you have the “smartest guys” doesn’t mean you’re immune from bad decisions. its not hard to say that you guys are the seattle mariners of this offseason.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I understand that, but its not like we have Jekyl and Hyde dude. I mean the Marlins DO make good moves

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

actually Hanley was your last striking good move to me besides signing dan uggla out of house league. now THAT was a good move. but no, not a lot of good moves since then so its not really Jekyl/Hyde. it’s more like Hyde.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Actually, our last good move was as recent as Clay Hensley, and you could even say we succeeded with the Vazquez signing and Even the Uggla deal. Also, Jose Veras was a huge get for us, before that Leo Nunez, Brian Sanches, the Johnson extension, putting Morrison in LF, getting Reed and Poveda for cantu. Yeah

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

extension isn’t a move it’s an investment. i can’t argue any further than this because at this point, the major deals like vazquez and the guys from uggla deal haven’t even been given a chance to peform yet, so i won’t continue to argue what’s up in the air.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Their defense and pithing has gotten better so i don’t understand why you think they are screwed.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

buddy, i watched the jays when we had nothing but pitching and defense. it only gets you so far.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

plus i hardly count omar infante and javier vasquez as making your pitching and defense “better”

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

When i said pitching i meant bullpen. We don’t have tankersley, veras, or meyer anymore and uggla is a horrid defender, infants will look godly compared to him. Marlins have a ton of offense to so don’t say hanley stanton morrison gaby and buck are not productive.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

sanchez is alright, i don’t know why you say morrison, buck is kind of getting old and only had 60 or so rbi last season and will likely be injured due to being a catcher in his 30’s. its an offence with potential to produce, but it’s a rickity one.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Buck just turned 30 or 31. Morrison is a great ball player the dude had 20 doubles and tons of patience at the plate in 2 months in the bigs with a 280 average. Learn about the players before you blow them off.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

im not blowing him off, but this guy isn’t going to break of the starting gates next season. ill wait and see how it will turn out for you guys but this looks like a seattle mariners type offseason to me. and buck was injured towards the end of last year as well. you can pick apart my predictions all you want. I’m never going to win a home field arguement.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Morrison is legit wait until next year.

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

Only pitching and defense? Didnt the Jays lead MLB in HR or were damn close?

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

we lead this season yeh. im referring to the 2008 season where the jays were last in the mlb in hr or damn close. We had a good rotation and few errors and ended up fourth.

4 years 8 months ago

Ending up in fourth place may have a little to do with being in the same division as the Yanks, Sox, and Rays. Its not like you guys were a joke.

carlos
4 years 8 months ago

teams are intersted in sherill? are they stupid?

Guest
4 years 8 months ago

If you love laughing at your own players, hes a great signing.

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
4 years 8 months ago

I’m definitely not saying he’s good, but Torre badly misused him last year. He’s just a lefty specialist now.

tdot32
4 years 8 months ago

yeah yeah. just let me know how omar turns out for you. hope he hits enough rbi to cover what uggla would’ve otherwise.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

Look at the whole picture uggs rbi’s will be made up without a problem. We have a full season of stanton who hit 22 bombs in 100 games, we have lomo for a whole year, and we have a catcher who is somewhat productive. Brad davis and brett hayes prob had a combined 30 rbi’s at catcher.

CaseyBlakeDeWitt
4 years 8 months ago

Lomo? Sorry but that’s an awful nickname.

marlinsfanatic
4 years 8 months ago

That’s what he has been called since the minors, i wouldn’t want to tell him that ha.

Queef Law
4 years 8 months ago

I really wish they’d consider the schumaker 2b conversion a failure and move on. My number one wish was a new 2b. daanggitt!!!! Berkman better not suck like last year, and Theriot better live up to his name again.

Stl_Great
4 years 8 months ago

The Cardinals line-up is not set with Schumaker still in it. Unless Theriot starts at 2B with Ryan at SS is our lineup set.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 8 months ago

Heyman is the type of guy that would post a two page article about the Cardinals not looking for a new first baseman

4 years 8 months ago

I think that this was worth mentioning because there were some other writers suggesting that Jeter might go to either SF or Boston (not sure that was nonfiction). The significance of Jeter not even pretending to consider other teams might be that the Yankees were bidding against themselves.