Jim Edmonds Likely To Retire

Jim Edmonds is probably going to retire, according to Reds GM Walt Jocketty, blogs John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer.

Edmonds has been contemplating whether he'd return in 2011 after playing well (.276/.342/.504) in 86 games with the Brewers and Reds in 2010. Unsatisfied with contract offers after the 2008 season, he sat out all of 2009.

Despite Edmond's surprisingly solid effort in 2010, it's unlikely that his retirement will have much of a ripple effect on any rosters. He might only have gotten a minor-league deal this offseason, anyway, as he did last offseason from the Brewers.

If this is the end for Edmonds, it will have been a heck of a career. In 17 seasons, he's hit .284/.376/.527, claimed eight Gold Gloves and won a World Series with the Cardinals in 2006.


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  1. Best Cf Ever!!!!! Greatest there ever was, Greatest there ever will be!

    • Sean Murphy 4 years ago

      Are you on crack or just retarded? I think you’re forgetting someone, you may not have heard of him before….his name is Willie Mays…..

      • plus jim edmonds is rumored to have been on steroids. too bad the report will never be released…

        • Ferrariman 4 years ago

          i never heard of this… his name wasn’t on the mitchell report or canseco’s book or anything. Where did you get that rumor from.

          • its just common sense. any player who hit 40 or more hrs in a season in his playing time should be a subject of suspicion

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            Yep, Babe Ruth was a juicer.

            That’s one of the stupidest comments I’ve ever seen on MLBTR.

          • you absolute dumbasses i said “IN HIS PLAYING TIME” thats mid 1990’s to mid 2000’s

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            So, let me get this right. Players hit 40+ homers in the pre steroid era without suspicion but now “ANY player” who hit 40+ while Jim Edmonds was playing is tainted.

            I’ll stick with my original opinion.

          • I agree with flick. The most retarded thing I may have ever heard.

          • So lemme get this straight, any player that hit 40 or more home runs during the 90’s did steroids? That explains why Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Piazza were such great players! Thanks for the info! /sarcasm

          • Ferrariman 4 years ago

            that was stupid.

          • Guest 4 years ago

            Its kinda sad tho, if he did or didnt he will most likely never get a fair shake. I also think TLR is the biggest liar in the game, so god only knows what Edmonds did when he came from Anaheim.

          • Any player period, you do not have to be big and strong to be on steroids. An athletic defender using to keep trim, a soft tossing innings eater using it to endure the grind, or any player out there using it to stay healthy over their career. EVERYONE is suspect.

          • Cubbie 4 years ago

            U r rite

          • HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

            For real? Anyone who makes a comment that stupid makes me suspicious.

          • mattevilspawn 4 years ago

            That’s not common sense. That’s irrational distrust. And blanket accusations are rookie league. Corroborate your argument with legit sources/info, please.

          • lefty177 4 years ago

            since when has Pujols been on the juice??

          • RidiculousPage 4 years ago

            You can’t just make that statement because you’ve been so jaded by media and Bonds (not entirely him, but I view him as a symbol of the era). Power jumps like his happen all the time. I seriously doubt Bautista used steroids this season; the guy has a major uppercut in his swing that didn’t appear until the last couple of seasons, and he plays in an incredibly hitter friendly park in Toronto. Some guys just figure it out for a season or seem to catch fire. If Andres Torres has a down year, I won’t point the finger and say he was on ‘roids, I’ll just say that the pitchers figured him out. Baseball’s all about adjustments and some guys just can’t make em.

        • $1639238 4 years ago

          Rumored by whom? The number 1 search result in google for Jim Edmonds and steroids is an article on Bleacher Report which cites evidence such as: he played on the same team as Mark McGwire and pretty much nothing else. It’s bleacher report for christsakes. This is the equivalent of me saying Obama had an affair with Sasquatch ’cause a completely horrible and utterly useless website says it might have happened.

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      ummmmm..

      no

  2. qudjy1 4 years ago

    Edmonds would probably still be better than whatever AZ is going to throw in LF next year.

  3. Elaine 4 years ago

    My favorite Cardinal/baseball player of all-time. I hope he’ll be seen hanging out around Busch Stadium a lot this year like he was in 2009! Baseball just isn’t the same to me without Jimmy Ballgame!

  4. BG921 4 years ago

    Jim Edmonds wasn’t even the top CF of his era. Andruw Jones was the best defensively and Ken Griffey Jr was the top offensive CF. This should not be considered a put down, just to be mentioned in the same sentence as Andruw and Griffey would be enough for me.

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      griffey’s era was the 1990s. He wasn’t that good in the 2000s, especially the earlier parts where edmonds was raking it up. They played in different era’s…Jim was the best offensively in his.

      • alxn 4 years ago

        I dont know if you can call a 5 year period an “era”

        • Ferrariman 4 years ago

          thats true, but those 5 years were some of the peak offensive/defensive output in Center Field in a very very long time. I’m not trying to make a case that he is a HOF player or anything(because he isn’t) but Griffey and Edmonds were in different times of the game IMO.

          • alxn 4 years ago

            Actually I think that he is a HOFer. If Jim Rice got in then Edmonds should be a no-brainer. It may not work out like that, though.

      • Wasn’t better than Andruw Jones. Not even close.

        • Ferrariman 4 years ago

          did i say he was? And perhaps you need to look at the numbers again, i would defnitely say it was close.

          • Yes, you did: “Jim was the best offensively in his.” Ergo, you are saying Edmonds was better offensively than Jones in his ‘era.’ We could debate the semantics of ‘close’ but since you are confused about what you said I will just go ahead and assume you don’t actually think Edmonds was better than Jones.

          • bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

            I don’t know how you can make the argument that Andruw was better offensively than Edmonds. During his peak (1995-2005) Edmonds hit: .293/.388/.554 for a .942 OPS and a 141 OPS+. During his peak (1997-2006) Andruw hit .268/.346/.506 for a .852 OPS and a 117 OPS+. Edmonds did every thing offensively better than Andruw. He hit for a higher average, he drew more walks, and he hit for more power. Now defense is another story and defense is the reason why you can argue that Andruw is the better all around player. However it is pretty clear who is the superior hitter. It’s Edmonds.

          • Well said.

          • Cubbie 4 years ago

            Jim is still better

          • $1639238 4 years ago

            I think any reasonable person would suggest a guy who a career OPS 80 points higher than another player in the same era was “better” than the other player. Edmonds tops Jones by about 9 WAR for his career and Andruw Jones has racked up more career plate appearances. Look, Andruw Jones was almost certainly a better fielder. Was he soooo much better at fielding than Edmonds to close an enormous gap in hitting ability?

          • Look Junior, you don’t take Barry Bond statistics seriously, do you? Why Edmonds then? Now do you see why Andruw was better?

          • Cubbie 4 years ago

            No

        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

          Jones’s D >>>>>> Edmond’s D
          Edmonds’ bat >>>>>>>> Jone’s bat

    • Wrek305 4 years ago

      if it wasn’t for a fluke of 8 yrs of injury filled seasons.. Griffey Jr. would have passed Hank Aaron by now.. and it would have been legit unlike others.

    • $1639238 4 years ago

      Uhh….Jones was better defensively, but not even close offensively. He posted a career OPS about 90 points higher and an OBP about 50 points higher. I don’t think Andruw Jones was better at all. And if we accept that Edmonds was better than Jones, we could easily say Edmonds was the best center fielder in baseball from 2000-2004, a not insignificant span.

  5. alxn 4 years ago

    He would be a great fit for the Dodgers

    • dc21892 4 years ago

      Yes, because they need ANOTHER outfielder. They have Thames, Gibbons, Eithier, Kemp and Paul… hm let’s add ONE more.

      • alxn 4 years ago

        “They have Thames, Gibbons, Eithier, Kemp and Paul”

        Thanks for proving my point. Edmonds would be a massive upgrade over Gibbons.

        • dc21892 4 years ago

          They could have had Edmonds all offseason. He may be an upgrade but that’s a stretch. He’s very injury prone at this point in his career.

          • alxn 4 years ago

            All I’m saying is they shouldn’t be comfortable at all with Gibbons as the LH part of that platoon.

    • vtadave 4 years ago

      I guess when the other options are named Gwynn, Gibbons, and Thames, you may sadly have a point.

  6. thevoiceofbv 4 years ago

    Did Brett Farve report this ?

  7. JohnOrpheus 4 years ago

    What I don’t understand is that there are “multiple teams interested in aaron miles”, but no one seems to be interested in Jimmy after the more than solid half season he put up last year. Especially considering the crap many teams are going to be trotting out in center this coming season (like that offensive black hole that is currently the Brewer’s starting center fielder).

    • Plus, he’s younger than Thome and has a similar skill set with the bat. Left-handed, aging power hitter. I can’t believe Edmonds didn’t throw his name into the DH hat early in the offseason. With the right contract demands he could have hooked on somewhere, no doubt.

  8. Goldberg365 4 years ago

    link to youtube.com
    Who remembers that crazy catch in center? One of the best plays I’ve ever seen. Definitely the best Centerfielder I’ve ever seen, with young Andruw Jones being a close second.

    • Wrek305 4 years ago

      Absolutely one of the best.. Reed Johnson while on the Cubs made a dead sprint diving catch as well, Reeds was the greatest in Cubs recent diving plays and Edmonds made the greatest Anaheim/California Angels dive in history

    • $1639238 4 years ago

      1. I love Jim Edmonds
      2. Edmonds was a *much* better hitter than Andruw Jones
      3. Jim Edmonds was an excellent defensive center fielder

      But no, Edmonds was not better than Jones defensively, nor was it particular close. He made some amazing looking catches than Andruw Jones wouldn’t have to dive for. Not a knock against Jimmy, a career 9 WAR defensive outfielder. Jim Edmodns was a gold glove center fielder. Andruw Jones was kind Ozzie Smith caliber center fielder.

    • Cubbie 4 years ago

      Iremeber the catch

  9. ellisburks 4 years ago

    Tris Speaker >>>>>>>>>Jones, Griffey

  10. Edmonds is a guy I never liked. Too much of a showboat. However, as his career wound down I did find myself starting to appreciate his career. He really was a pretty good player. I’ve heard his name mentioned as a potential HOF’er, I think by Rob Neyer and perhaps others. I’m not sure how I would vote on him but I think he’s certainly got a chance given the position he played.

    • dc21892 4 years ago

      You’re a Cubs fan. You have every reason not to like him. He had some great years in St. Louis.

      • Yeah but i felt that way about him as far back as when he was with the Angels. Sure, I *REALLY* didn’t like the guy when he was with the Cardinals, but that was mostly because I already didn’t care for him. I actually like Pujols as a player, it’s hard not to appreciate his brilliance, but Edmonds has always been annoying. He’s like the on field version of an off field Curt Schilling. Whatever they’re doing, you just wish they would stop.

  11. corey23 4 years ago

    Id say more than anything I just respect the guy for his balls to the wall 100% of the time playing as hard as he can. A lot of players today don’t give it 100% but Jim Edmonds went after everything as hard as he could in the outfield.

  12. Yeah, that’s my big problem with Edmonds. Showboat, show off, whatever you want to call him. He made it look great when he should have been making it look easy. The end of that video says it all, he didn’t jump up and start his trot back to the dugout. He sits there, letting everyone have enough time to soak in his greatness. Junior would have gotten up and headed for the dugout. So would Andruw, Willie and about 95% of most major leaguers. I guess when you do things for attention you have to ham it up when you’re getting it.

  13. bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

    I think Jim Edmonds is absolutely a Hall of Famer. He is a top 10 centerfielder of all time. It’s true that Andruw Jones was better defensively but it is not really fair to compare anyone to Andruw as he has a good case for best defensive centerfielder of all time.

    Edmonds, however, was much better than Andruw with the bat. Edmonds hit .284/.376/.527 good for a 132 OPS+ while Andruw has hit .256/.338/.488 good for a 111 OPS+. Most people don’t really know how good Edmonds was with the bat because of his Gold Glove defense but the fact is that I think any player that puts up a .900 OPS while playing Gold Glove defense at a premium position deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

    Just for the record I think both of them belong in the Hall of Fame.

    • vonhayesdays 4 years ago

      Agreed on the hofer but they should both wait longer than goose did

  14. Anyone who thinks Edmonds is even close to Andruw is insane. I feel like it is a classic case of people wanting the “less talented” guy to “try hard” and become great. Jones would catch basically everything Edmonds would easily, instead of by diving. However, Edmonds was a very good player, but not in the same LEAGUE as Jones

    • bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

      Now surely you want more form any player than defense? Even a centerfielder. The fact is that Edmonds was a better hitter than Andruw. While Andruw was better with the glove than Edmonds. To me the difference in hitting means that they are in the same league. If you mean that they were not in the same league defensively I agree with you though.

    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

      its like comparing Tulowitzki and Ramirez.
      I’m sure most people would argue that Tulowitzki is the better shortstop. But offensively, Hanley is still better than Tulowitzki

      • bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

        Tulo and Hanley are much closer offensively than Edmonds and Jones ever were and Edmonds was a Gold Glove player while Hanley is most definitely not.

    • Batboy1 4 years ago

      I like how people argue Edmonds diving when everyone knew jones would slow down just so he could dive.

      • alxn 4 years ago

        That couldn’t be further from the truth. If anything, the knock on Jones was that he didn’t dive enough (and he didn’t need to be because his instincts and range were so amazing that he was able to turn most fly balls into routine plays). In fact it is remarkable that he won so many Gold Gloves given his low volume of spectacular diving catches. And that isn’t me criticizing Jones, but the evaluation process the media tends to use for selecting GG winers (see Nate McLouth).

  15. goredsgo 4 years ago

    “Jim Edmods Likely To Retire”. We’ve sort of known that for the past 5 months or so

  16. jmag043 4 years ago

    Andruw Jones’ defense over his career has just been incredible. Edmonds defense was good, not great, with some flashy grabs. However, Edmonds consistently put up OBPs over 400 while playing good defense at a premium position. I think he gets into the hall but he’ll have to wait.

  17. Wrek305 4 years ago

    he should sign a contract with the Pirates get traded in July to the Astros…. point being he would have played for all 6 NL Central teams. it would be a shame if he did that, all hendry had to do was give him a minor league contract after 2008 but no he was an idiot and said he didn’t need him, I’m sorry but 65+rbi and 19 hrs is a huge need and bonus for the Cubs anytime.. the Cubs will not exceed more then one player over 25 this year.. pending if Colvin rightfully gets his starting job in LF

  18. $1639238 4 years ago

    There was a great article on BeyondtheBoxscore titled “Jim Edmonds: No Doubt Hall of Famer”. Sounds absurd until you realize he was probably better than Duke Snider and one of the ten greatest center fielders of all time. How many plus defensive center fielders can you name with a career OPS over .900?

  19. kahnives 4 years ago

    I would love to see Edmonds play one more year, hit some of those milestones. He is 1 RBI short of 1200, 2 BBs short of 1000, 51 Hs short of 2000, and 7 HRs short of 400.

  20. flickadave 4 years ago

    I find it curious that the Rays signed Johnny Damon for what they did instead of trying to sign Jim Edmonds who, it would appear, is a much better offensive threat and still can play the outfield.

  21. gursk1989 4 years ago

    Hall. Of. Famer. And I dare anybody to argue against that.

  22. Craig Cutler 4 years ago

    Thanks for the AMAZING memories Jimmy Ball Game. Especially contributing a whole heck of a lot in establishing the Cards as a NL powerhouse for so long.

  23. mattevilspawn 4 years ago

    I will miss Jimmy Ballgame!

  24. stroh 4 years ago

    As an Astros fan, I always feared Jim Edmonds more than any hitter in the Cardinals lineup including Albert Pujols. Edmonds was always money, and I think the best defensive centerfielder in the game when he was at his peak.

  25. Cubbie 4 years ago

    Sad he was good and made some of the best catches ever made

  26. Cubbie 4 years ago

    He should be in the hof

  27. Cubbie 4 years ago

    I say Jim is better but I am 10 but I follow baseball better than any other 10 year old. I did not get to see Andrew when he was at best

  28. The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

    It was a pleasure to watch Edmonds, he was just an absoloute beast in his prime. Good luck Jimmy

  29. ellisburks 4 years ago

    jim edmonds career WAR: 68.1 over ~14 seasons

    andruw jones career WAR: 70.5 over ~12 seasons. and he’s just 33

    ken griffey jr. career WAR: 85.6 over ~18 seasons

    Tris Speaker career WAR 133 over 22 seasons

    willie mays career WAR: 163 over ~20 seasons

  30. $1639238 4 years ago

    That’s FanGraphs War. Baseball Reference has him well ahead of Andruw Jones.

  31. bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

    I am not sure that this is definitely true. I think it is pretty darned close. Using rWAR, Edmonds had six seasons of 6+ WAR. So did Andruw. Andruw had four seasons of 7+ WAR. Edmonds had three. However Edmonds had a season of 8+ WAR while Andruw had none. I think their peak value is basically a wash. Now their value was accumulated differently. Much more of Andruw’s value came with the glove while more of Edmonds value came with the bat. They were different players but I’d argue that they were about equally valuable through their peak.

  32. Ferrariman 4 years ago

    i disagree.

  33. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    you can’t argue that Jone’s offensive peak was better than Edmond’s.
    They’re two different types of players. Jones is the more all-around type, Edmond is the offensive type.

  34. David C. Ruckman 4 years ago

    There are many factors to consider when evaluating these two — more than enough that can point to Edmonds and Jones as equally brilliant players. There is no distinct advantage one has over the other in terms of overall value, in my mind. I don’t think I can see them as anything but equal.

  35. $1639238 4 years ago

    Nope. Not true at all. Check the stats and try again.

  36. bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

    Ty Cobb career WAR 159.4 over 24 seasons

    Mickey Mantle career WAR 120.2 over 18 seasons

    Joe DiMaggio career WAR 83.6 over 13 seasons

  37. $1639238 4 years ago

    Jones as more career PA than Edmonds FYI. He *only* 33 but it’s pretty clear he’s not going to add much to that total. Also, Baseballreference has them at 68.8 ato 59.9 Edmonds well ahead of Jones.

  38. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    He was the best at diving for balls, but easily not one of the best CF ever. I’ll always remember Edmonds making the over-the-shoulder catch while running up the hill at Minute Maid Park.

  39. RidiculousPage 4 years ago

    Just because you can make a diving catch doesn’t mean you’re better than the guy who made the catch standing. Jones made things look effortless in CF. Edmonds was an amazing fielder in his own right, don’t get me wrong, but the difference cannot be measured in diving catches.

  40. $1639238 4 years ago

    Says you. I think FanGraphs vastly overvalues it. I’m not alone in my opinion and neither are you.

  41. $1639238 4 years ago

    Alright, you are clearly not someone to be taken seriously. Good to know.

  42. bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

    Okay. That’s fair. Of course you are completely right in pointing out that the valuation of defense may be wrong. The fact that during his prime Andruw is consistently at the extreme of defensive statistics (extremely good) means that if it is true that the defense is undervalued by defensive statistics this would disproportionately affect the valuation of his career.

    It just seems to me that a great season in terms of TZR (which is the defensive component of rWAR) seems to be valued at around 30+ runs above average. From the limited (historical) sample we have of UZR and Dewan +/-, these systems seem to agree that this is the impact of a great defensive season. As far as I understand it these three fielding metrics are based on different sets of data which gives me some confidence in the validity of their findings when their findings are similar. Therefore I think that unless you want to discard defensive stastics completely I will have to accept that they have propably identified the correct level for the impact of defense.

    I certainly have no special insight to say what the correct impact of defense is. If you have that I would love to hear it.

  43. alxn 4 years ago

    ok cards fan

  44. alxn 4 years ago

    Exactly. Edmonds was certainly very capable in CF, but he shouldn’t be given credit because he is a slow white guy who has to make insane diving catches that some other CFers make as routine plays.

  45. bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

    My point was that even if you list every centerfielder in history who was clearly better than Edmonds you wouldn’t be able to come up with more than 10 names.

  46. bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

    Of course I agree with that. I just think he’s better than most casual fans realise but obviously not the best ever.

  47. Cubbie 4 years ago

    I don’t disagree

  48. David C. Ruckman 4 years ago

    Sorry, but you can’t condescend to anyone when you type like a fool. You seem to be smarter than that, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    Edmonds was a superior hitter, yes. Jones was a superior defender who, right round the mid-2000s, was getting disrespect from many for, really, no good reason. Yes. This is all true. Jayson Stark started cries of “overrated” and the sheep flocked to it, not knowing that Andruw Jones was still an unbelievably talented outfielder, still making more plays than pretty much any center fielder out there, save for Torii Hunter.

    We can look at WAR and see that Jones has a 2.x win advantage over Edmonds. Okay, cool. Baseball-Reference says Edmonds has a 6.x win advantage or however many it is, but I don’t think that site is really accurate, either. I much prefer using +/- or revised zone rating for comparisons since ZR/UZR seem pretty, well, inaccurate or half-assed.

    But consider the fact that the Braves’ many division titles came with not an offensive-minded team but, instead, a defensive-minded team with an intense focus on pitching. Jones had great seasons, yes, and was certainly more valuable than Chipper Jones (hard to believe, but it’s true) on both sides of play. Andruw Jones was an unrivaled center fielder, but I think he was always a selfish, homer-happy hitter. He tried a few times to hit around .300, and succeeded once, but that love for power stats always kept him below his true potential.

    The funny thing about looking at numbers in black-and-white analysis is the external factors of age, contract, etc. Edmonds is seven years older than Jones and seemed to consistently put up more valuable offensive numbers. His defense was good — never truly fantastic in my opinion, unlike Jones, but still pretty strong most years. I don’t think Edmonds ever had the intelligent route-running ability that Jones had, so he didn’t make nearly as many plays outside of his zone. But when Edmonds had to make plays or come up with assists, he made them happen. To date, he has more assists in fewer innings than Jones.

    We can talk back and forth all day about WAR, UZR, and all the hearsay about which is effective or ineffective. But breaking down the numbers, the age difference, the contracts, the team situations, the postseason play (both are pretty even there also, while Edmonds has more numbers in three fewer postseasons), and the baseball intelligence, I’d say these two are even. I can go on, if you like, since it’s clear you want some numbers to go along with my thinking. I’m pretty familiar with these guys. :)

  49. David C. Ruckman 4 years ago

    You know, I was trying to put this in an historical context by comparing the Cardinals from 2000 to 2007 versus the Braves from 1999 to 2007. I thought the collective team of Jones, Chipper Jones, Javy Lopez, Brian Jordan, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Tom Glavine, et al. versus Mark McGwire/Albert Pujols, Edgar Renteria, J.D. Drew, et al. would show me something beyond the obvious black-and-white numbers.

    But then I look back at Jones and his 274.3 runs saved. I look at Jones and his 36 TZR at the age of 22. And I realize I’m a fool. Historical spin doesn’t change the fact that stats are stats.

    70.5 WAR over the course of his career, Andruw Jones as a youngin’ was immensely more valuable in his prime than Jim Edmonds was. Being seven years older than Jones doesn’t make for a good excuse. If he’s still a starter, he still has to play. And if a young guy shows him up, um, the young guy is better, plain and simple.

    I apologize. I didn’t mean to get heated with you, especially when I was flat-out wrong! Now the question is….how many people will get it wrong when Edmonds makes the HOF before Jones, even as the latter has the much better case?

  50. Cubbie 4 years ago

    Rong

  51. RidiculousPage 4 years ago

    Jesus Christ… Just imagine if DiMaggio actually had his prime years instead of spending them in a trench somewhere in Europe.

  52. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    That was his point. not sure if srs knows Jones was a better CF during their respective peak years.

    He was a walking highlight reel, but only because his range wasn’t all that spectacular.

  53. RidiculousPage 4 years ago

    Ah, my bad then. But you’re right, that’s basically it. However, I will say this, while making the famous catch, he covered a TON of ground. I think maybe Gutierrez in Seattle has the range to make that catch running.

  54. $1639238 4 years ago

    Why yes, you are wiser than Joe Posnanski, the folks as Beyond the Boxscore and several writers at FanGraphs themselves who believe FWAR overvalues defense.

  55. $1639238 4 years ago

    Regardless, FanGraphs WAR has them neck and neck anyway, thus making your point about Jones being better absurd. Also, Jones may be *only* 33, but he is clearly not going to add much to his WAR total and he actually had more PA’s than Edmonds

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