Marlins’ Offer To Pujols Believed To Be For Nine Years

The contract the Marlins offered to Albert Pujols "is believed to be for nine years," says Yahoo's Tim Brown. The Marlins pulled out all the stops in an attempt to woo Pujols, according to ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick, who hears that part of the team's pitch to Pujols involved bringing in about ten players to assist in recruiting and "make the organization's interest clear." Here are the rest of the latest rumblings on the free agent who ranks atop MLBTR's Top 50….

  • Cardinals GM John Mozeliak expects to meet with Dan Lozano, Pujols' agent, this week, according to Crasnick. It will be the first time this offseason that the two have talked in person.
  • Past reports have indicated St. Louis made Pujols an offer of nine years and $210MM before the season, but Crasnick hears that the Cardinals never topped $200MM.
  • While Pujols was "surprised" that the Cardinals named Mike Matheny their new manager, the hiring isn't expected to play a major role one way or the other in Pujols' decision.
  • Mozeliak said Tuesday afternoon that he "wouldn't envision" pursuing Prince Fielder even if Pujols signed elsewhere.


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152 Comments on "Marlins’ Offer To Pujols Believed To Be For Nine Years"


3 years 9 months ago

My balls are violently shaking.

Tyler Jedrzejak
3 years 9 months ago

i second that

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

Well ya what did everyone expect… a 3 year deal?

Tyler Jedrzejak
3 years 9 months ago

…yes?

LuisSantoyo
3 years 9 months ago

$210MM is just outrageous. No player is worth that much to play a child’s game, I don’t care how good you are. 

3 years 9 months ago

If Alex Rodriguez was given 252 million for one contract then 275 for his next one, then I’m sure Pujols is worth 210 million.

PWNdroia
3 years 9 months ago

Have you ever thought they they are both vastly overpaid?

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

Thank you Texas and New York for spoiling athletes! 5 years from not we will be reading about 3 year 100MM contracts while half of America is scrambling to pay rent. 

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

Exactly where were you occupying before the eviction?

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 9 months ago

Is what he is saying not true though? I don’t understand all the hate for these protesters. Big corporations are exempt from paying any taxes while poor families still pay…I dont think that is anything to joke about. 

KeithLawSucksInStl
3 years 9 months ago

Show me a doctor that can make 3 million people a year pay to see him operate and buy his name on a lab coat every year for 10 years and I’ll show you Albert Pujols.

MattCMoore
3 years 9 months ago

Thats right! But is Albert Pujols gonna stich up your wounds?

vtadave
3 years 9 months ago

He’s Albert Pujols, so yes, he could do it.

3 years 9 months ago

Cardinals will draw 3 Million fans if Albert leaves. Just saying ….

Andy_B
3 years 9 months ago

According to Joe Strauss the cardinals project 2.6 million tickets sold if Albert leaves.  This projection was done before the playoffs though, so that might make a difference.

3 years 9 months ago

Apparently other people think so.  As previously pointed out, when teachers and doctors start selling out 60,000 stadiums 81 times a year and then help sell nationwide TV rights to broadcast it, they can make that money too.

3 years 9 months ago

Great point, if teachers started making millions of dollars a year, I’m sure the Tax Payers would eventually start to have a problem  with it, while no tax payer is forced to pay for Albert Pujols contract, we willingly watch the games on TV, or buy tickets.

oz10
3 years 9 months ago

Wouldn’t want the occupy protesters to start targeting teachers as well.

PWNdroia
3 years 9 months ago

That’s besides the point.  There’s always going to be problems paying taxes.

3 years 9 months ago

Anything is worth what its purchaser is willing to pay for it, that’s the entire point in all of this, to prove to the Cardinals that their offer needs to be higher, if the market dictates so. Taking several things into account, including his history of elbow problems, his age (32) his declining OPS, OPB and BA. Some people are pointing to his decrease in walks, but he’s hitting in front of Holliday and Berkman. But he’s hitting the ball on the ground more and I think he led the league or was among the league leaders in grounding into double plays. He knows all this is not going to give him 30 million dollars, but he’s going to use other teams to bring up the Cardinals bid, if that’s even possible.

3 years 9 months ago

Holy wall of text, Batman.

vtadave
3 years 9 months ago

Mix in some paragraphs bro…

3 years 9 months ago

There, its much shorter now.

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

I look at it this way, is the owner worth a half a billion a year, or should the player who is the product get more money. I always go with the player, it’s the entertainment bussiness. An actor gets 10 to 20 million a year, TV stars make alot of money, heck some stock brokers get bonus’s worth 25 million. If a player can get the money then good luck to him, someone was willing to pay him. I also don’t compare pay to performance like most people do. It’s like Christmas when you were a kid, it will never meet you expectations.

3 years 9 months ago

Prediction: The Marlins sign 0 big name free agents this offseason.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

I’m with you. The three stooges (beinfest, loria and mckeon) they have running that team have never quite gotten the hang of this whole new-fangled “team management” thing.

rsanchez1
3 years 9 months ago

Jokes on you buddy, you have to see Fredi Gonzalez managing your team… straight into the ground.

Tyler Jedrzejak
3 years 9 months ago

why you gotta break my balls..

miamiroc
3 years 9 months ago

The three stooges must have taught you how to write. You should not be allowed near a pen or a keyboard with that grammar.

3 years 9 months ago

They got it just fine in 2003.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

Look.. I like the Fish also, but as have posted here a few days back.. Henry’s ’03 team he broke up, just like Huizinga’s ’98 WS team because the people of Miami will *NOT* support that team, regardless of whether or not they win or lose and my money is this team, new stadium, uni’s.. It won’t matter 1 iota..They have switched uni’s before and the fans (few) don’t care.. They just could care less..

If Loria buys a few FA and goes all Yankees on us, he will tear them right down, just like both Huizinga and Henry did when he learns that hard financial lesson that you gotta make enough to pay for ’em…

3 years 9 months ago

Henry did not dismantle the team like Huizinga did in 1998.  The only key players that departed following the 2003 WS were I. Rod, who was a 31 year old catcher that received a huge contract from the Tigers, and Derek Lee, who was traded to the Cubs. They resigned Luis Castillo and brought in Lo Duca and Delgado the following year. After back to back seasons of not making the postseason the team was broken up.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

Right.. He let Burnet walk, Moved his high dollar and fan favorite player Mikey Lowell, plus Becket got to Boston for at that time, 2 unknown prospects by the name of Hanley Ramirez and Anibel Sanchez in the winter of ’05.

It was a slow breakup of that ’03 WS team, maybe should have made it a tad plainer this time since went into a little more detail a few days back.

I just have a feeling that if Loria does sign a couple of $$$ players, then rightly so signs his #2 pitcher Sanchez to a contract he needs to addres that this team will get broken up around year 2 when attendance crashes in that shiny new stadium and the luster of it wears off.

We have seen this before and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.. I truly do NOT like saying this as dearly enjoy listening to Tommy Hutton most every game broadcast and occasionally Old timer Cookie Rojas as well when can his Espanol version, tho mine is not the best, only because he was a fav of mine from his playing days.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 9 months ago

IIRC, Delgado was brought in on a 4 year deal around $50 million, with a first year salary of $4 million.  Immediately after paying him the one year of $4 mil, they dumped his contract off on the Mets.  “Brought in Delgado” is extremely misleading, since they appear to have never intended to pay him.

3 years 9 months ago

I agree we need to see the names on the dotted line before believing all this posturing as well.  I know Delgado’s contract was back loaded heavily but his 50 million was guaranteed.  What if he struggled that first year or had some injury that made him less than the player he was, then no one would want that contract.

3 years 9 months ago

Henry didn’t own the team in 2003, that was Loria. 

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

technically it was. i still considered it since Henry put together most of it (or his people) before Henry bought the Red Sox.

I gotta add this also… Henry, outside of Tom Yawkey has been my absolute favorite owner all time in baseball and for Henry to get Boston, after the Fish, my 2nd fav team after Boston was just absolutely perfect.

Most fun owners to watch for humor? a dead heat tie between Charlie “O” Finley, Bill Veeck and Georgie Steinbrenner.

Charlie O with his mule he had on the field before games I swear must have been Georgie.

3 years 9 months ago

I bet your right, there entire off season for Miami so far sounds filled with “hope and change”, last time that was applied to something, it didn’t really seem to work out for the best.

Devern Hansack
3 years 9 months ago

The Marlins are really serious this offseason. I still don’t think Pujols takes his talents to South Beach, but it’s wonderful to see them going all in.

MetsMagic
3 years 9 months ago

Every time someone says “takes his talents to South Beach” I envision myself punting kittens off the Brooklyn Bridge.

3 years 9 months ago

I just can’t see him leaving the Cardinals. Can’t wait until the winter meetings, the big trades and signings tend happen around that time. 

MetsMagic
3 years 9 months ago

Albert is really putting Mozeliak’s nuts in a vice with that…I’m still convinced that any negotiations he has with the Marlins are just to leverage himself into a payday (or pay-decade it seems) with the Redbirds. He knows that come April 2012, he will be wearing birds standing on a bat. 

jhfdssdaf
3 years 9 months ago

More than money, Pujols cares about his image.  He built a statue of himself in St. Louis.  Lebron James is hated, but that’s nothing compared to what will be directed towards Pujols if he leaves St. Louis.  He cares too much about his image to do that.

At the same time, he wants to be paid what he considers fair – enough to show that he’s one of the greatest players of all time.  I’m sure he’ll do anything and everything he can to drive the Cardinals’ offer through the roof.

Cheeseballs
3 years 9 months ago

HE didn’t build the statue. An anonymous donation paid for that.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 9 months ago

And if he didn’t want the statue, it wouldn’t exist.  It’s on the ground of his restaurant, which is private property that only he controls.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

The story is cut off and misleading, here’s the full story before cardinal fans panic

“The contract the Marlins offered to Albert Pujols “is believed to be for nine years,worth a total of 96 million dollars” says Yahoo’s Tim Brown.

sonofsnake
3 years 9 months ago

That has to be a joke.

BLEACHER_CREATURD
3 years 9 months ago

You think they would offer less than the cards reported offer? I bet they offered around 210 million.

Dave
3 years 9 months ago

yeah maybe in stock options and “promises”.  

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

1st off great job ditching the caps!

I think they reported that the Marlins offer wasnt close to the Cardinals offer in annual income. So I would guess it was an 8-9 year offer right around 20MM per year.

3 years 9 months ago

Word around says 25mm per year which would be $225 million for nine years.    

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

Highly doubt it.. Cardinals made an offer a year ago and we still dont know exactly what is is.. 9 year 200MM? 9 years 207MM, 9 years 210MM, even hear 9 years under 200MM… I dont think the Miami Marlins are posting their offers at the moment.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

with 90 deferred until the team is sold

nats2012
3 years 9 months ago

You think they offered Reyes 6 years 90 mil and Pujols 9 years and only 96 mil?

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

clearly

azdsnd
3 years 9 months ago

Has to be a typo.  No way they’d low-ball him after spending that much effort to woo him.  Probably $196 over 9, which is a nice package but probably not enough to get Albert to leave STL.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

it was just a joke, guess I made it sound too official lol

azdsnd
3 years 9 months ago

Freakin’ internet.

3 years 9 months ago

I wonder if this is just a big joke by the Marlins to get people in Miami talking about their team… oh yes, it is. along with their new stadium, team name and University of Miami Uniforms.

3 years 9 months ago

More like the rumor was 9 years 225 mil or (25 mil a year)

3 years 9 months ago

The Marlins do not now have the revenue to sign Pujols, nor will they have the revenue to sign him once they get into their new stadium.

To sign a player to a $25+ million contract and remain competitive the team needs to have a payroll of $150+ million which would require revenue of $280-300 million.

The Marlins revenue is not expected to jump even to $180 million. More than likely they cannot maintain a payroll of more than $80-90 million.

Dave
3 years 9 months ago

Long term, you are correct.   Short term, anything’s possible up to and including a 200m payroll for one year, making an amazing run for the postseason (with the bonus 2nd wildcard now!) and then in true Marlins fashion, trading out those players who made them successful almost immediately for prospects that will be 5 years away from the majors.  

Maybe out of Pujols, Reyes, Buherle, Wilson and Papelbon they end up keeping 2 of them (Pujols and Wilson probably) longer term and ship the rest out  in 2013 for cash and prizes.  

You never know.   It could happen.  Just ask all those guys from the 1997 world series team how long they thought they would stick around in Florida!  

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Papelbon? Did the Phillies trade him already?

Dave
3 years 9 months ago

Right, forgot he signed already.   It was like 3AM, my bad. 

3 years 9 months ago

Braaaak! Wrong answer, but thanks for playing.

You cant spend more money than your total revenue and in most cases you can’t  spend much more than half your revenue in ML payroll and keep the ship afloat.

The team FO wasnt lying when he said they wont spend more than $100 million because even that amount is stretching their ability to pay by $10 million and that is IF they sell out every game the the entire season AND make a run to the WS.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

I think Loria may have been listening to old Beatles albums too much because he definitely seems to be under the influence of one of the many psychidellic drugs that they promoted. With the offers he’s been throwing out there and those god-awful uniforms he just doesn’t appear to be right in the ol’ noggin

nats2012
3 years 9 months ago

I dont think they will get Pujols, I think he will stay with the Cardinals. But they will probably up the Reyes contract once Albert says no and get him.

MarinersRoyalsBraves2014
3 years 9 months ago

Actually if they signed both, the cheapest ticket would have to be about 15.00-20.00 for that 37,000 seat ballpark, but if they got mad-crazy coke deals goin on like Miami Vice-style like the old days, then the public can handle it. Sadly, the Panthers would have to relocate north where they belong. I wonder if all those events they plan to hold at the ballpark will finance these contracts like the way the owner of the Winnipeg Jets can finance player contracts with concert revenue because he owns the building?

coolstorybro222
3 years 9 months ago

Jeez. Reyes is more likely at this point.

geauxbraves2000
3 years 9 months ago

Pujols turning down the Marlins’ offer could be one of the best things to ever happen to that franchise.

strikethree
3 years 9 months ago

That’s a lot of money to invest in just one player when you’re a team with so many other needs… the risks are greater when you have so many holes elsewhere. Even if he is the best player is baseball, all it takes is an injury… I’m not even factoring in age (yes, even Babe Ruth went through decline)

I’m not sure what they’re thinking… and the new logo? What’s up with that? Just awful. (Isn’t it a bad idea to wear black uniforms while playing in the sun?)

3 years 9 months ago

I agree with everything what said until you started hating on the logo. They’ll be under a roof every home game and they have been wearing dark colors before they even became the Miami Marlins.

AmericanMovieFan
3 years 9 months ago

i’m just gonna say this- The Marlins have become a rather arrogant, latently racist club by declaring themselves THE destination for Latin players. I mean i get it at surface level; Miami and Florida in general are have a massive Latin community so transitioning into the United States would be easier for them, lots of players make their off season home in Florida, Miami in particular, so it’s conveniently located and Ozzie Guillen, a Latin man with lots of experience and success in the MLB, is their skipper.

But even with all that, it reeks of desperation and arrogance. They’ve already said they’re the best and only logical destination for Cespedes and now they’re going after Pujols and Reyes and all but dismissed the idea of Fielder… Last time I checked, MLB teams put together the best team they can, not teams comprised of a particular race and while Pujols and Reyes are two of the best guys on the FA market, there’s just something about their pursuit of these guys that feels unwholesome.

Joe
3 years 9 months ago

Seriously? Racist?

There’s only 4 guys in the entire Marlins team ATM that you would consider as long term building blocks. 3 of them (Stanton, Morrison and Johnson) aren’t Latin in any way shape or form.

This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with filling needs.

They offered in their estimation, the best hitter, SS, starter, and closer on the market. Of those 4 offers, 2 of them are white guys (Burehle, Madson).

Going after Cespedes has nothing to do with race and everything to do with location. It’s an easy transition and a smart market for Miami to get into. Same way LA and Seattle do a good job with Japanese players.

It’s just simple. Smart baseball.

BLEACHER_CREATURD
3 years 9 months ago

Nah, pretty sure they want him to butts in the seats. They could get Fielder for cheaper, but why aren’t they going after him??? Hmmmm….

3 years 9 months ago

Because he is a whale, not a marlin.

3 years 9 months ago

The way to get the Latin community in Miami motivated to come out and watch baseball games is to put a winning team on the field. Latin people like baseball period, its why they play it on ever island in the Caribbean and most of the Countries in Latin and South America. I get the point the poster was trying to make, and the Marlins attempt to draw at the gate, but its pandering really. Put a good team on the field and keep players on the team long enough so that fans and the community can adopt them as their own, and they’ll have success. If they were so interested in getting Latin people excited about baseball by having Latin players, they would have never traded away Miguel Cabrera.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

 I’m confused by your attack on the marlins, using their cities demographic is hardly ‘racist’ miami is what miami is, independant of the marlins. Doesn’t meant they shouldn’t utilize the demographic as a way to lure certain players..

also the notion that they havent targeted fielder.. when Pujols > Fielder, so why do you feel they aren’t going after the top FA’s? They also ‘reportedly’ offered contracts to madson and buerhle, they aren’t latin, those are just the top of the FA market for their respective positions

3 years 9 months ago

“What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
-Billy Madison

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Technically thats not a quote by Billy Madison. I guess a simple wrong would have done just fine but uh

3 years 9 months ago

heh heh, I’m glad the Mets don’t have to deal with fans calling them “Los Mets” anymore or whatever that debate turned ugly fast, we get it they had an usual ratio of latin american players compared to the other MLB teams, it’s still an absurd accusation, since omar is gone we get to focus on baseball, not irrelevant race issues.

Guess it’s the Miami Marlins problem now. Although Miami is like half cuban or something so it may not hurt to get cespedes for that purpose, those cubans take baseball very seriously.

3 years 9 months ago

If they wanted to become the destination for Latin Players, they should take their 200 million dollars, fund a bunch of mercenaries to remove the communist government in Cuba, and move the team to Havana.

rsanchez1
3 years 9 months ago

“Make the organization’s interest clear?” More like make the organization look desperate. Either that or all the young guys on the team really wanted Albert’s autograph.

3 years 9 months ago

So when the Yankees or Red Sox go after all the top FAs it’s building a winning culture, but when a team like the Marlins try it’s called looking desperate. 

Ok.

miamiroc
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah clearly they should of half-assed their contract proposal to the best player in baseball…cuz that’s the way you win. Good luck in life buddy.

Matt Cool
3 years 9 months ago

The Marlins Front Office has a clear direction. They know exactly what they are doing. The organization was able to put together a plan before the offseason and they are implementing that plan. There is no other team in baseball that has been as aggressive on the free agent market as the Fish. The organization should be commended for going after all of these top tier Free Agents. Every Marlins fan out there should be excited about the direction this franchise is headed in. Not only is the organization now starting to keep their quality talent but they are also trying to upgrade the roster by going after these big fish. No pun intended lol The Marlins have one of the smartest front offices in baseball. These are baseball decisions and moves the team is trying to make. Are they trying to sell tickets and market the team? Of course. They are in it to turn a profit just like any other business or organization. From a business standpoint they know that winning sells. Thats why they are trying to put together a highly competitive product in which the fans will want to show up to the games to watch.

3 years 9 months ago

We’ll re-evaluate that post, if they actually ever sign anybody, the Pirates and Royals can offer players contracts all day long and not be at all serious about it. I’m not saying your wrong, but lets see if this is for real of its just a show.

Matt Cool
3 years 9 months ago

They are going after the best players available. This has nothing to do with race or culture. The hispanic population does not represent the entire Marlins fan base despite popular belief. I hate people who comment on the Marlins or form an opinion about the franchise without doing their homework first.

Patrick the Pragmatist
3 years 9 months ago

Pujols as Marlin would take some getting used too.

3 years 9 months ago

You should be in baseball for three decades before you take a stab at a player on the level of Pujols… Can you Imagine Mickey Mantle playing for the Montreal Expos? Besides, it would just end up being worse, when the Marlins realized the contract wasn’t all that great, or they’d accomplished another World Series title, then trade Pujols to Boston or New York, who then trade him 2 years later to some other franchise, and he spends the last 3 years of his career playing for 3 different teams and ends up getting his 600th home run as a DH for Cleveland.

jessethegreat
3 years 9 months ago

I laughed out loud reading your post!

baybombers
3 years 9 months ago

Can Albert actually do the unthinkable?