Quick Hits: Rays, Brewers, Whitesell, Pinto

On this date in 1998, the Tigers traded Luis Gonzalez to the Diamondbacks for Karim Garcia. Gonzalez would hit 224 home runs in eight seasons with Arizona, including 57 homers during the team's 2001 Championship season. Here are tonight’s links… 


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51 Comments on "Quick Hits: Rays, Brewers, Whitesell, Pinto"


3 years 8 months ago

Jim Bowden’s article couldn’t be more asinine.

BeansNRice
3 years 8 months ago

What are you talking about?  I’d be the first to rip Bowden as a moron, in general, but his article and top 10 was pretty reasonable.

3 years 8 months ago

The cano deal is already over. No mention of padroia. etc.

$1519287
3 years 8 months ago

No it isn’t. The contract had team options for ’12 and ’13, which are obviously being exercised. 

– ECB

3 years 8 months ago

True, but Bowden conveniently ignored them in his calculation of AAV because they didn’t fit his point. That’s my issue with Bowden in this instance.

cubsfanraysaddict
3 years 8 months ago

For real, Bowden should know the routine, Google “Contracts with Andrew Friedman’s name on them -Pat Burrell” and just copy paste the results.

3 years 8 months ago

Luis Gonzalez is someone whose name is NEVER mentioned in the same breath as Palmeiro, Bonds, or McGwire, but it should be.

3 years 8 months ago

Former texas ranger pitcher .. and venezuelan .. Rosman Garcia .. Die tonight .. 
traffic accident .. here in caracas .. 

MikhelB
3 years 8 months ago

Sad news, i was listening to a Mexican Pacific winter league game when his name was mentioned, truly sad news.

Que descanse en paz, Rosman José García Parra.

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

Some obvious one and a few guesses for the HOF out of current players. Obviously for alot of these players it would involve them playing at their current levels for many more years. Jeter, Mariano, Pedroia, Prince Fielder, Pujols, Braun (If he is found to be innocent), K-Rod, Papelbon, Adrian Gonzalez, Mark Texiera, Michael Young, Johnny Damon, Tim Lincecum, Roy Halladay ect.

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

braun wont get in even if he is. he’s tainted, almost none of the “juicers” were ever 100% proven to have taken steroids and none of them will probably get in

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah I get that but there is a slight possibility they prove 100% that what he tested positive for wasn’t HGH or a PED.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
3 years 8 months ago

too early to call him tainted. 

I know nothing more than anyone else, but i honestly sounds like he was taking something like viagra(i know, ha ha). But seriously… synthetic testosterone, medical condition, private reasons, explantation that will put everything to rest, according to braun. 

muskyfish
3 years 8 months ago

Not only is it too early to call him tainted, but Ryan Braun could end up as one of the most critical players in baseball history. Almost everyone else was near the end of their career, or retired, when proof or admittance caught up with them. Here we have an in-his-prime stud. If he turns it around and plays just as well beyond this point, I think we may finally start feeling out some middle ground of how to acknowledge the reality of steroids, without the ridiculous idea that its best to just forget the last twenty years never happened. 

3 years 8 months ago

Word going around is that he tested positive because of a drug he has to take for an STD. If so, whomever leaked this information illegally needs to be sued out of their every pennies. Not only did his professional reputation take a savage beating but a young single dude having to profess his STD publicly is embarrassing and he shouldn’t have to go through that. That is a very private thing.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
3 years 8 months ago

Hadn’t heard that, but that is interesting. My thoughts were just a guess that I came up with a while ago, and if you’re correct I wasn’t too far off haha.

Anyways, I do agree, its horrible if its true that someone leaked a positive test because of that. Whoever leaked it will have some SERIOUS consequences

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

K-Rod and Papelbon? Who do you like on this year’s ballot, then, Jeromy Burnitz and Terry Mullholland? 

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

Wow brilliant comparison in Burnitz. Secondly its not out of the realm of possibility for them both to make the hall. Do you think Mo will be the last closer ever to make the hall or something? And again just some very speculative guesses.

Cory Taylor
3 years 8 months ago

Closers have to perform at unreal levels to be considered for the hall. Theres alot of folks who think even hoffman will struggle to get votes for the hall

3 years 8 months ago

I can’t believe Pedro Martinez wasn’t mentioned. 

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

Pedro is retired I thought the article was about current players.

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

He is retired and the article is about current players. He will be in the hall though, no doubt. Statistically one of the most dominant pitchers ever.

3 years 8 months ago

And Pedro had a ball boy build to boot.  Definitely an all-time great.

faceforest
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t see either Pedoria or Papelbon becoming HoFers, honestly.

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

Prob not Paps but I could see Pedroia being there if he can play for awhile.

hallwagner
3 years 8 months ago

awesome article by dave cameron

thekoshow
3 years 8 months ago

I hate that insider crap.

redsx968
3 years 8 months ago

Karim García…I’ll only remember him as a thug for that bullpen beatdown in the ALCS. That was him right? I don’t wanna unnecessarily call him a thug haha, but I’m pretty sure that was him

3 years 8 months ago

On this date in 1998, the Tigers traded Luis Gonzalez to the Diamondbacks for Karim Garcia.
Gonzalez would hit 224 home runs in eight seasons with Arizona,
including 57 homers during the team’s 2001 Championship season, Garcia would continue to be fat.

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

Do people actually sign up for that insider crap? Serious question…i’d rather a couple cups of coffee per month then to pay to read some jack offs opinion.

MetsMagic
3 years 8 months ago

Especially when you can get so many more jack offs’ opinions for free. 

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

Hear Hear!

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

On the future hall of famer article… If Jim Thome is questionable for the first ballot then in my opinion the steroids scandal has become a complete witch hunt. Thome was a top hitter in his prime and there was never a hint of controversy in his career besides playing on the same team as Jason Gimsley. I say he’s a first ballot lock.

JackPackage
3 years 8 months ago

Evan Longoria is the best contract in the history of baseball, without a shadow of a doubt(Obviously in relative terms though, because you can say “ancient player A got paid three chickens and a goat in 1742″ but 3 chickens and a goat were probably worth something back then) Longoria is getting paid very little for being head and shoulders the best player at his position in baseball.

I can’t read the article but I think it is very unsurprising that Tampa have 3 players in the top 10.

Hmm current players looking likely to go to the HOF… 

If Ichiro gets to 3000 he is an absolute LOCK. Scott Rolen and Andruw Jones should definitely both get in… assuming Adrian Beltre keeps his play up over the length of this contract, he should easily get in. I value defence though and don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t judge a player on 50% of the game of baseball.

A lot of the young players seem like locks right now (Tulo, Longoria, Felix etc) but you just never know. I’ll go ahead and say that Longoria in particular will probably end up being a lock for the HoF, I just don’t see him regressing, whereas what happens if Tulo loses some range and ends up at a different position? He ends up looking more ordinary… Miguel Carbrera will be in the HOF as long as he doesn’t have to spend a large part of his career DHing… which is a possibility…

David Wright is interesting, a lot depends on his next 5 seasons… does he stay a Met? They’re going nowhere in the next 5 years, in fact I’d go as far to say that if he stays a Met he isn’t going to sniff any post season success again(ever?). It’s a shame the Mets are so useless, I want to like them and I’m a big fan of Wright and Santana.

3 years 8 months ago

Dave Cameron -put down your bong ! 

 one name to add to your list of actives that are future HOF candidates = CHIPPER JONES ! 

JackPackage
3 years 8 months ago

He put Chipper Jones in his list of ‘no brainers’

Also… I’m not Dave Cameron.

3 years 8 months ago

I know Chipper Jones worked out better than Todd Van Poppel, I am just not sure he’s a Hall of Famer. I know his first wife wouldn’t vote for him if she were allowed!

3 years 8 months ago

The Brewers started negotiations with Norichika Aoki in the $1-1.5MM range.
Don’t go to too crazy with the contract offer…. you don’t want him to feel welcome or anything!
How about starting the betting at 1 dollar next time, then you could could be a contestant on the price is right!
Unbelievable, the Brew Crew gets lucky by getting a chance here and all of a sudden they are getting cheap! What’s the deal?

PS The Orioles were interested in Pinto? Why because Kranitz coached him when he was a Marlin? Let the Brewers sign him! So they can be reunited!

Duquette is taking a snooze!

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

Let me get this straight:

Cano’s career WAR: 24.5 WAR over seven seasons
Pedroia’s career WAR: 26.7 WAR over five seasons
Longoria’s career WAR: 26.9 WAR over four seasons

Cano’s AAV: $9.83MM
Pedroia’s AAV: $7.35MM
Longoria’s AAV: $5.27MM

How in the world does one rationalize Cano on top while at the same time leaving Pedroia out entirely? That one aside, how in the heck did this guy have the nerve to put Cano over Longoria? Longoria is a better defender, has generated almost double Cano’s WAR on an annual basis and even if you want to argue the offensive angle, Longoria’s by and large the better hitter (.374 career wOBA versus .359 for Cano).

Cano’s a great baseball player and all and his contract is pretty good, but come on! The first year of his contract was actually above market value for his performance and while they’ve gotten three great years at a steep discount, his contract balloons next year. Guys generating roughly the same WAR level over the last three years as Cano are Beltre, Braun, Bautista (Y’know, for that matter, where is Bautista on this list?), Pedroia, Mauer.

The highest paid of those players will be Mauer, the lowest being Pedroia. Averaging out the peak salary each will get you brings us to $17.4MM, which gives us a rough market value for Cano’s production (And that’s generous considering Mauer had his worst year last year and neither Beltre nor Bautista produced in ’09). Cano will make $14MM and $15MM the next two seasons. At best, Cano’s making just shy of market value, but realistically that’s around what the current market for his production is. So, essentially, the Yankees got three years of well below market value production and two of just below market value (Unless he makes another massive leap forward and hits Pujols levels next year) and that beats Evan Longoria’s contract, which pays him basically a quarter of his market value and Pedroia, who’s put up nearly identical WAR to Cano (Despite missing half of 2010 to injury) at less AAV, doesn’t even rate the list?

alxn
3 years 8 months ago

This is one of the rare instances where I am glad that I didn’t have Insider. Cano #1 over Longoria was all I needed to see.

alxn
3 years 8 months ago

This is one of the rare instances where I am glad that I didn’t have Insider. Cano #1 over Longoria was all I needed to see.

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

I don’t see how there is no way. He was very dominant for a number of years and if he can pitch at this level for the next 8 or so years he might eclipse Mo. Who knows? Its all guesses anyway and there are obviously tons more who could make it. Longoria, Votto, Felix, ect.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

might eclipse mo?

seriously, that’s truly a disturbing comment.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

Lee Arthur Smith somehow never made it and he was dominant for 15 years, maybe would have longer had he put a bit of effort into conditioning himself and his back been a little better.

Another person who should be in, if they let 2nd-3rd tier people like kRod in, is Mike Marshal.. The ultimate reliever workhorse and really the guy who started the “shut down” closer..

In 1973, Marshall threw 92 games and 179IP and followed it up with 106 games and 208IP in 1974.. Even after those 2 grueling seasons, hurt arm, he still came back and had a manageable career.

Both of those are well more deserving characters over kRod, who many want elected for that single 62 save 68IP season.

Edit:

Should add if Rodriquez doesn’t go another 7-8 years. Still.. he would have to do that to match Big Lee Arthur and he is still waiting the call.

For some reason closers are short changed over other fringe players, even some I liked such as Rice and Dawson.

Ferrariman
3 years 8 months ago

as strange as it is, its not that insane.  He has just a bit short of 300 saves already, if he can latch onto a full-time closer job for the next 8 years (unlikely) and average 40 saves (unlikely), thats 320 more saves giving up right around 600..and he would only be 36/37…Mo got 600 when he was like 39/40 i think.

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

Won’t be quality or overall career dominance wise but if he sticks around long enough who knows. He has 300 already saves wise he could theoretically surpass Mos retiring mark, but even if he doesnt he still might make the hall if he is close. AGAIN! Just some off the dome guesses and speculative possibilities.

johnsilver
3 years 8 months ago

Who is going to fire him? Doubtful the owners would be able to pull the plug on him when he has enough small market ones who cherish him to prop up his spineless self and his henchmen surrounding him? Yankee Bob Watson, Joe Torre? would you *really* want either of those as an interim Commish?

3 years 8 months ago

Selig is retiring after the 2012 season.  He already announced it.

Leonard Washington
3 years 8 months ago

You might be right who knows. Closers are a more important, and iconic part of the game now.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

he doesn’t have a closing job now..

and his stats are steadily declining..

Mo hasn’t declined in the last decade, he’s not human.

Zac Ratliff
3 years 8 months ago

YEAH. WHAT HE SAID.