Red Sox Talking To Roy Oswalt

The Red Sox have ongoing contact with free agent pitcher Roy Oswalt, sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com (Twitter link).

Oswalt, not far removed from being a dependable top-of-the-rotation starter, has seen his stock fall this offseason due to injury concerns, with recent rumors suggesting he could end up with a one-year contract worth somewhere around $8MM.

In addition to the Red Sox, the Rangers and Cardinals are also thought to be interested in adding the right-hander, who could pay off in spades for a contender if he's back at full strength.

Boston has been aggressively purusing rotation depth recently, although Oswalt would be more than insurance if he were to sign. The Sox added Aaron Cook and Justin Germano on minor league deals, and they may be nearing an agreement with Vicente Padilla.


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  1. diesel2410 3 years ago

    They still won’t finish above 3rd.

    Edit: Obviously it was part joke… they could definitely end up winning the division. But hey, what’s sports without some form of trash talk?

  2. Everyone they talk to gets scooped up by another team unless no other team wants them.

  3. RahZid 3 years ago

    Sox are improving more than the Rays.  As unknown as the rotation is at this point, it’s addition by subtraction getting rid of Lackey and his 160 innings of 6.41 ERA.  Even if that’s just replace with 5 ERA pitching, that’s a bigger improvement than the Rays are likely to see from adding Moore to their rotation.  RF was an offensive black hole for the Sox last season too, even without doing anything else to improve it from now till the season starts, it’ll still be better than 2011.  Add in full off seasons for AGon and Pedroia, and the Sox look like the team that was leading the Rays for the majority of last season, and another 2nd place AL East finish (which still my not be enough for the wild card).

  4. towney007 3 years ago

    Oswalt should be a good bet in Fenway should he decide to sign there. I’m just surprised that he’d take a one year deal to pitch in the AL East. There’d be better places to go where he might get a little more money.

    That being said, if the Red Sox can get him – they’re getting a guy who’s got the potential to still be a good #2/#3 SP. Back injury really hurt Oswalt last year, but he seemed back to normal by September. Whoever gets him is getting a good pitcher. 

  5. $20404099 3 years ago

    At this point in his career, he’s a #3 at best on a good staff. $8 million will buy a lot less these days. 

    • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

      Not a lot of good #3 starters.

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      he’s one year removed from a 3.27 FIP and he’s only 34.

      if his back is strong, he’s still a top of the rotation arm

      • $20404099 3 years ago

        I know a lot of people want him to be, especially Sox fans if they get him. But, a bad back rarely mends itself and most become chronic ailments. I hope he’s well, but believing he’s a #1 or #2 on a good staff is folly.

        • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

          unless you have his medical records or a recent physical than you are talking hypothetically.

          Yes, if he’s un healthy he won’t perform. If he is healthy he’s a solid pitcher

          • $20404099 3 years ago

            I don’t, but i do have a bad back. While i’m not a world class athlete nor do i have trainers at my beckon call, i do know about back problems.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            While I sympathize with your back pain, its not really applicable. These are professional athletes with 1st class doctors and trainers at their disposable.. Most importantly they have the time every day to work on core strength and training, where us normal folk have to go to work.

          • $20404099 3 years ago

            That was part of my point, but i can’t see why you can’t see my point about chronic back pain. I’m not arguing just to argue and i’m not really dissing Oswalt. My original point, and  think we’ve kind of lost track on that, is on a good staff he’s a #3 now as opposed to a #1 or #2. Anyway, it was fun having a civilized convo about it with you.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            I think Oswalt is still basically the same pitcher assuming he is healthy; he’s only one year removed from one of the best years of his career.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            Beckett struggled with a back injury in ’10 only to come back this year and put up outstanding numbers, to the point that there were rumblings of him being in Cy Young contention around mid-season.

        • Greg Furlong 3 years ago

          The Sox don’t need him to be a front of the rotation starter though.  They’re looking to fill out the back end of their rotation and are on a limited budget. In that sense, Oswalt on a 1 year deal for so cheap, would pretty much represent the best possible outcome.

  6. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Rough week for a Jays fan, especially when this inevitably goes through..

    • Snoochies8 3 years ago

      Oh come on, can’t be too bad, Bartolo’s outta the AL East!

      • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

        lol true. .

        unfortunately, combined with a huge payroll the yankees and red sox have very good front offices. The Pineda trade is a prime example of that.

  7. ARod's Ring 3 years ago

    Anyone else has heard the rumors of Phil Hughes for Billy Butler being discussed?

    • sdsny 3 years ago

      I heard that but there’s not much else to it other than just simply a rumor.  I don’t see why the Yanks would do that, considering they’d be acquiring pretty much the same player they gave up to get Pineda. A good right-handed hitter with no defensive position.  Not to mention the fact that we have a right-handed DH already in Andruw Jones AND that DH spot is going to be used to give A-Rod, Jeter, etc. partial days off.  Also, Eduardo Nunez is a terrific right-handed bat.  What we’re lacking is a lefty off the bench.  Signing Damon or Pena via free agency is the better course of action.

  8. Scheister of Doom 3 years ago

    To expect two guys with chronic back concerns to stay healthy all year, let alone one guy, is some lofty expectations. Alfredo, I’m looking at you! I’d still snatch Oswalt up at the 1/10M the Yanks paid Kuroda and hope for the best but prepare for the worst, the back is a tricky thing. I’m 30 and have had two epidorals for chronic back pain myself. Sometimes just bending down to tie ones shoes can set it off.

  9. Karkat 3 years ago

    Less talking more signing, come onnnnnn, Ben! He’s a certifiable bargain now.

  10. Disgustedfan 3 years ago

    If they sign Oswalt they would have Beckett Lester Bucholtz and Oswalt. With the addition of Bailey to the bullpen and that all star lineup life is looking good in beantown. If they could layoff the beer and the fried chicken this is a 100 win caliber team.

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      I would hope the sox players are smart enough to stay clear of bears, thats one fight you just cant win

      • ARod's Ring 3 years ago

        Wanted to post a bear picture to get some likes, but I’m too lazy.

        • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

          I’ll help you out and send you the likes via email

      • Disgustedfan 3 years ago

        oops caught me on that one. I meant beer

  11. 1.34 WHIP in the NL? He is not gonna help us much.

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      WHIP?  For real?  He has never, in his entire career, had a FIP or xFIP of 4.00 or higher; he’s only had a SIERA of 4.00 twice and an ERA of 4.00 once.  He’s an outstanding pitcher and would help the Red Sox immensely.

  12. NomarGarciaparra 3 years ago

    Get it done!

  13. BloodySock 3 years ago

    The Sox rotation for 2012 instantly got better once Lackey left it.   😀

    The direct comparison of lineups and each pitcher is kind of meaningless unless you’re talking postseason matchups. The Sox and Yankees are both good. Who knew?

    The bigger story is playing 162 games. The Sox had the division in the palm of their hands and blew it. The fact they didn’t even make the playoffs is a real embarrassment and stain on the organization. But that was then, this is now.

    But the Sox aren’t ready yet, and will likely start the season off a little slow. This will be the first year without some fixtures: GM, Mgr., Varitek, Wakefield, etc. That will take some time to adjust.

    The offense will be decent. The bullpen looks pretty solid on paper. Rotation is a HUGE question mark and is currently behind the Yanks, Rays, and Angels, imo. I think they should take a page out of the Yanks book and go after Oswalt and Harden. Along with what they already have signed to minors (including…gasp Andrew Miller), they have a chance to put together a solid rotation for most of the season.

    I have mad respect for the Rays when you consider what they did after all the players they lost. They are opportunistic and managed very well. They have sick young pitching depth. If they just spent a little on the offense, they’d really be contenders.

  14. BloodySock 3 years ago

    Sorry. posted twice.

  15. soxin10 3 years ago

    Not convinced Oswalt is the answer. I guess a career NL starter makes me nervous in the AL East. Our experiments with Smoltz, Penney, and even Pinero a few years back is of concern.

    The absence of a john lackey is a huge upgrade, plus a full year of Bucholtz is more than most clubs could hope. I like out chances without another beergate. Excuse name mispells, got lazy.

    • sdsny 3 years ago

      The Red Sox had Joel Piniero?

      • sdsny 3 years ago

        Just checked.  They sure did, back in ’07.  I don’t remember that at all, lol.  Of course he ended up with the Cards mid-season.

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      Oswalt has been an outstanding pitcher for him entire career, moving from the NL to the AL East may affect his numbers, but they don’t change the fact that he is a great pitcher, and even if the move bumped his FIP up a full half a point it would still be under 4.00.

  16. sdsny 3 years ago

    The Red Sox at this point need to do this.  Right now, their rotation is suspect at best.  Beckett, Buchholz, and Lester are a solid top 3 provided they all stay healthy, but beyond that they don’t have much depth.  Taking a chance on Roy Oswalt is necessary.

    • NYPOTENCE 3 years ago

      I agree, after Oswalt the only somewhat reliable starter that remains is Edwin jackson and I’m not sure if the Red Sox would want to pay that type of money.

  17. NYPOTENCE 3 years ago

        Really, why are the Rays being talked about as a title contender??? Yes, I know I sound foolish but in this division you need offense and I don’t know if they have that offense. They also needed a miraculous collapse by the Red Sox for them to get there, they finished one game ahead of a team that should have easily made it to the playoffs and would have been competing with the Yankees for the title of the East. Rays are a good team not necessarily a “beast”. 
       

    • Matt Moore could put that rotation over the top – even better than the Angels’. Longoria was still the second best third baseman in a down year, and Jennings could improve. Sure, their offense may be bottom 15, but their pitching and defense will be top 5. 90 wins is not out of the question.

  18. Chris 3 years ago

    We need to make more big moves,it makes me mad when we have one of the richest men on earth and as a. Owner he is not willing to spend big bucks

  19. The Red Sox were on pace for 103 wins on September 1st. That’s how good they were. Best team for about 4 months. Let’s look at everything for this year, shall we? The rotation is definitely better when you subtract two ERAs over 5 (Lackey: 7ish, Wake: 5.5) and add Bard/Aceves/Doubront/Cook/Oswalt/Padilla. At worst two of those guys have high 4 ERAs, but that is so much better than 7 and 5.5. I think Oswalt will end up having a 3.80 and misses some time, Bard has a 4, and Padilla and Cook get some starts in there as well. Lester had one of his worst seasons and he said he was very disappointed in himself. He’s 28. He’s in his prime. Bottom line: upgrade. The bullpen was the most glaring issue and I praise Ben for not having to give up much to get 2 really good closers. Bailey might be a little better or worse than Paps, but nothing dramatic. Melancon sets up and closes when Bailey has gone too many days in a row and hopefully will not implode like Bard. Morales really improved last year and lowered his walks from past years by a huge amount. Albers was amazing until august, Aceves will give you up to 150 great innings from the bullpen and even start, and hopefully Doubront, Hill, Jenks, Atchison, Bowden can step up and fill in a bullpen spot. Slight upgrade. The lineup was the best last year and will stay the same this year. Ellsbury might slip a bit, so will Ortiz, but the key to their season is Crawford. If he hits anywhere near .310 20 100 with 40sb then the Red Sox are golden. This team had the best lineup last year with Crawford hitting .260! They are fine. I think they will win 99 games and come in first in the East. No disrespect to the others, though. Yankees and Rays will probably win around 95 and 90 respectably. I can’t wait for the freaking season.

  20. The Red Sox were on pace for 103 wins on September 1st. That’s how good they were. Best team for about 4 months. Let’s look at everything for this year, shall we? The rotation is definitely better when you subtract two ERAs over 5 (Lackey: 7ish, Wake: 5.5) and add Bard/Aceves/Doubront/Cook/Oswalt/Padilla. At worst two of those guys have high 4 ERAs, but that is so much better than 7 and 5.5. I think Oswalt will end up having a 3.80 and misses some time, Bard has a 4, and Padilla and Cook get some starts in there as well. Lester had one of his worst seasons and he said he was very disappointed in himself. He’s 28. He’s in his prime. Bottom line: upgrade. The bullpen was the most glaring issue and I praise Ben for not having to give up much to get 2 really good closers. Bailey might be a little better or worse than Paps, but nothing dramatic. Melancon sets up and closes when Bailey has gone too many days in a row and hopefully will not implode like Bard. Morales really improved last year and lowered his walks from past years by a huge amount. Albers was amazing until august, Aceves will give you up to 150 great innings from the bullpen and even start, and hopefully Doubront, Hill, Jenks, Atchison, Bowden can step up and fill in a bullpen spot. Slight upgrade. The lineup was the best last year and will stay the same this year. Ellsbury might slip a bit, so will Ortiz, but the key to their season is Crawford. If he hits anywhere near .310 20 100 with 40sb then the Red Sox are golden. This team had the best lineup last year with Crawford hitting .260! They are fine. I think they will win 99 games and come in first in the East. No disrespect to the others, though. Yankees and Rays will probably win around 95 and 90 respectably. I can’t wait for the freaking season.

  21. Woops. I posted and it said error so i posted again and it said error again.

  22. MB923 3 years ago

    I agree it’s nothing more than a rumor. There’s no source for that at all. I am not saying it won’t happen, but I have no idea how that got started.

  23. MB923 3 years ago

    Grrr Disqus! This was in reply to a Phil Hughes/Billy Butler trade ruomr.

  24. UltimateYankeeFan 3 years ago

    When President Obama heard that the Red Sox were still talking to Roy Oswalt he was heard to say “The time for talk is over, the time for action is now because we know that if we do not act, a bad situation will become dramatically worse,” Obama said.  

    Keep in mind President Obama won the state of Massachusetts in 2008 by almost 800,000 votes and got a whopping 62% of the vote in Massachusetts.  So he obviously knows something about what it takes to win there.

  25. mvpedroia 3 years ago

    I’ll take a healthy Lester/Beckett/Buchholz/Oswalt/Bard-Aceves over a healthy Sabathia/Pineda/Nova/Kuroda/Garcia anyday..If Oswalt accepts a 1 year deal to play in the AL East you got to think he feels pretty healthy.

  26. BoSoXaddict 3 years ago

    Sign him, today.

  27. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Godly might be the overstatement of the year. 

  28. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    It’d be foolish if they didn’t negotiate with him, regardless of what the Yankees did. A pitcher of Roy Oswalt’s caliber for a 1 year $8 million deal is a steal in my opinion. When he was healthy last year his fastball was 92-95. He’s got a lot left to offer a MLB team.

    Lester/Beckett/Buchholz/Oswalt/Bard would be solid.

  29. EarlyMorningBoxscore 3 years ago

    1 year deal worth around 8 million would not be a knee-jerk reaction. and godly? really….. 

  30. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Or a knee-jerk reaction to the Jays signing Laffey

  31. diesel2410 3 years ago

    It would be solid, but IMO it’s the 3rd best in the East

  32. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    If we can get Oswalt and our rotation stays healthy our rotation will  be able to hang with NY and the Rays any game all season. 

  33. slider32 3 years ago

    Oswalt’s agent is just driving the price up for the Cards or Rangers.

  34. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    With the 2nd best offense, with a case that could be made for it being the best, though personally, I prefer the Yankees so I won’t make that case. (I don’t know the actual numbers)

  35. Travis Reitsma 3 years ago

    They were the best team in baseball by FAR for four months of the year last season.  Just sayin’

  36. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Right now I think the top three in the Red Sox rotation is relatively equal to the Yankees top three for next year, and signing Oswalt would put their rotation back ahead of the Yankees rotation, if only slightly. 

    Lester – Sabathia goes to the Yankees

    Beckett – Kuroda goes to the Red Sox

    Buchholz – Pineda is a relative toss up as it depends on how well Buchholz comes back after not pitching the last half of last year, as well as how Pineda translates to the AL East and Yankee stadium.

    Oswalt – Burnett would go to the Red Sox

    And neither team has their #5 spot locked down for sure so it’s hard to say who would have the advantage there.  It could be any combination of Bard/Aceves/Doubront/Miller/Cook/Silva vs Nova/Noesi/Garcia/Hughes, so really, who knows.

  37. RedSoxDynasty 3 years ago

    Could be 3rd, could be 1st. No question the offense is the best in baseball  though!

  38. diesel2410 3 years ago

    I’m saying the rotation. And the Yanks and Rays have improved as well

  39. cacavolante 3 years ago

    who cares?

  40. jjs91 3 years ago

    Did they even ever have a 4 gm lead in the east?

  41. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    Your first post was: “They still won’t finish above 3rd.”

  42. Zach 3 years ago

    Most likely this.

  43. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Which is crap. It took a monumental failure team wide to help propel Tampa to the playoffs. As long as we are healthy and avoid 20 game losing streaks they are done for.

  44. diesel2410 3 years ago

    Well yes, but his reply wasn’t for that post

  45. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    It’s a valid point though. If Boston stays healthy they really aren’t that far back from this revamped New York team and are probably better than Tampa Bay.

  46. RedSoxDynasty 3 years ago

    Now all the yankees have to do is find a time machine for jeter, arod and mariano. And to find the unrealized potential that never was in Hughes and Joba!

  47. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    If Bard translates well our offense and rotation would actually be better.

  48. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    By virtue of the fact that we have a better pen, and a MUCH better offense than tampa plus a very good front three we are better if the season started today.

  49. diesel2410 3 years ago

    I agree, but it always seems that Boston is on the wrong end of the injury stick

  50. Redsoxn8tion 3 years ago

    Regardless of how healthy our rotation is, we’ll be able to hang with The Yankees starting pitching. Especially Calorie Counting Sabathia, who’s 300 lbs is one blown knee away from a trip to the DL. AJ Burnett definitely isn’t a solution by any means. So they will be relying on the new guy heavily to be there “solid” # 2 guy. Good luck with that.

  51. MB923 3 years ago

    Like most of the time, I completely agree with you.

  52. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    Just pointing out why he probably got that impression.

  53. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Thats a valid point but the injury bug can hit anyone. Offseasons are for on paper analysis and I think on paper we are still every bit as capable of beating anyone on a game to game basis. 

  54. diesel2410 3 years ago

    On paper, yes. But Boston was also supposed to win the WS last year, on paper.

  55. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    knowledge is power.

  56. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    I would bet on CC being healthy. I am not going to assume he will get injured just because he is big because teams have before and he hasnt yet.

  57. BrocNessMonster 3 years ago

    I think every player in professional sports is one blown knee away from the DL or IR. But point taken, he should be an injury risk. However, he’s been heavy his entire career and has been dependable. I wouldn’t be counting on it.

  58. jjs91 3 years ago

    It’s not like beckett hasnt spent more time than cc on the dl every single year

  59. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    Yes, at the very least, on paper, the Red Sox are better than Tampa Bay, all though, really Tampa Bay’s rotation is probably top 3 in baseball, that goes a long way.

    If they stayed healthy last year they’re probably neck and neck with the Phillies for the best record in baseball.

    I’m looking forward to the race in the AL East.

  60. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    I like the Sox a lot, but you are underrating the Rays… they have the type of rotation that can carry a team to the post season.

  61. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    No the phillies were. Pitching wins titles. But aside from a history making collapse we still owned the American league most of the season. So if health becomes are friend I expect close to the same and if Bard transitions effectively and we get Oswalt watch out division.

  62. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    The Rays are very good overall, but not Sox/Yanks/Phillies good. I would not bet on Shields being as effective as last season. Plus again the bullpen is mediocre and their offense is not very good. You can’t pitch points on the board and as good as they are great hitters can still hit them and we got great hitters. 

  63. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Which they always seem to have the last few years.

    I am still thinking Shields is going to get moved for salary relief so they can get an offensive upgrade before the season starts.

    They can afford (by far) to lose Shields, he isn’t terribly effective vs the teams that matter in the East anyway and the Rays have several places that could use a better bat. Moving Upton wouldn’t surprise me either.

    Pena sure would help.

  64. slider32 3 years ago

    The Rays have the best pitching in the East on paper, but their offense is weak, as well as their relief. The Yanks are the most well rounded team right now with few holes.

  65. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Shields has had comparable years to 2011, so a drastic regression isn’t a forgone conclusion..

    Matt Moore is predicted to burst on the scene, and Price last year had a good year but was mostly unlucky, things should even out next year.

    Plus  a full year of Jennings.

  66. Disgustedfan 3 years ago

    You can flip a coin to who wins the AL East. The rays red sox and yanks are beast so who knows who wins the division

  67. jjs91 3 years ago

    No it wouldnt 

  68. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Rays

  69. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Sorry if we sign Oswalt also.
    Lester/Beckett/Buc/Bard/Oswalt is better than CC/Kuroda/Pineda/Nova/Burnett. Bard has huge potential with two very plus pitches and a solid change he could thrive in a big way.

  70. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Im not expecting a huge dropoff from Shields just a slight decrease. The rest of what you said is true. I dont think Jennings is going to be amazing or anything though. The league will adjust a bit and even if they dont that won’t make the lineup amazing. 

  71. Disgustedfan 3 years ago

    Rays have the best rotaion in the AL.

  72. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    pretty even if you ask me.

  73. slider32 3 years ago

    The Sox have the injury bug, which makes their rotation shaky. Oswalt would just add to that. Beckett, Oswalt, have had injuries resently and Bard has never started, he’s a ?

  74. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    The rays offense doesn’t need to be amazing… if its average, the team will win 90 games easy 

  75. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Angels are there too. definitely the best in the AL East .

  76. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    This is a pretty fair assessment I’d say..

    question though, do all sox fans consider Lester to be the team Ace.. I know he’s been up and down as of late, but I always considered Beckett to be the best pitcher on staff if both are healthy and pitching well.

  77. BrocNessMonster 3 years ago

    I don’t think Burnett is in the rotation.

  78. UltimateYankeeFan 3 years ago

    Only 2 problems with your comparisons.
    1st) You for Nova is slated to be the #4 starter.
    2nd) Pineda is slated to be the #2 stater, Kiroda the #3.

    The 5th spot in the Yankees rotation is scheduled to be a battle between Hughes, Garcia and Burnett.

    So let’s re-cap:
    Lester – Sabathia : Sabathia wins that battle (your call)

    Beckett – Pineda : Beckett should win if it’s an odd # year which it isn’t. Check out his stats and other issues in even # years since he’s been in Boston (ERA’s and injuries especially).

    Buchholz – Kuroda : Kuroda wins that until Buchholz can prove he can stay in the rotation and be consistent.  Which he hasn’t done since being with the Sox 

    Oswalt – Nova : Nova wins that battle.  That’s assing the Sox even sign Oswalt. Which isn’t a sure thing even at a cost of $8MM.

    ??? – ??? : At this point the Yankees at least have Garcia to fall back on.  The Sox are hoping Bard can transition from a reliever to a starter.  Even though he has never pitched more then 75 innings in any one season.  That’s a lot to ask someone to stretch out from 75 innings to 180 or 200 plus that a starter requires. 

    Offenses are pretty even.  Bullpen advantage goes to the Yankees, easily.  Yankees bullpen is prove, Red Sox not so much.  The loss of Papelbon regardless of the reason will hurt and if Bard manages to stay in the rotation Melancon and Bailey are not as good as Bard and Papelbon.  And Bard and Papelbon weren’t as good as Mo and Robertson.

    Disagree if you like but the facts are the facts.

  79. UltimateYankeeFan 3 years ago

    Only 2 problems with your comparisons.
    1st) You for Nova is slated to be the #4 starter.
    2nd) Pineda is slated to be the #2 stater, Kiroda the #3.

    The 5th spot in the Yankees rotation is scheduled to be a battle between Hughes, Garcia and Burnett.

    So let’s re-cap:
    Lester – Sabathia : Sabathia wins that battle (your call)

    Beckett – Pineda : Beckett should win if it’s an odd # year which it isn’t. Check out his stats and other issues in even # years since he’s been in Boston (ERA’s and injuries especially).

    Buchholz – Kuroda : Kuroda wins that until Buchholz can prove he can stay in the rotation and be consistent.  Which he hasn’t done since being with the Sox 

    Oswalt – Nova : Nova wins that battle.  That’s assing the Sox even sign Oswalt. Which isn’t a sure thing even at a cost of $8MM.

    ??? – ??? : At this point the Yankees at least have Garcia to fall back on.  The Sox are hoping Bard can transition from a reliever to a starter.  Even though he has never pitched more then 75 innings in any one season.  That’s a lot to ask someone to stretch out from 75 innings to 180 or 200 plus that a starter requires. 

    Offenses are pretty even.  Bullpen advantage goes to the Yankees, easily.  Yankees bullpen is prove, Red Sox not so much.  The loss of Papelbon regardless of the reason will hurt and if Bard manages to stay in the rotation Melancon and Bailey are not as good as Bard and Papelbon.  And Bard and Papelbon weren’t as good as Mo and Robertson.

    Disagree if you like but the facts are the facts.

  80. slider32 3 years ago

    CC is the most consistent, which gives the Yanks the edge. Health wise it’s not even close, everything has to break right for the Sox.

  81. ellisburks 3 years ago

    Lester is the ace for sure. Since 08 he has been the stopper and the healthier of the two. Either way, it’s a nice dilemma to have to have to choose between two great pitchers.

  82. MaineSox 3 years ago

    It’s definitely not a consensus, and I’m not actually sure what the majority of Sox fans would say.  If both are healthy and on top of their game I honestly don’t know which one I’d say is the Ace; they’ve been fairly equal pitchers over the last four years, with the main differences being Lester walking a few more guys and Beckett giving up a few more homers.

    Lester:
    3.43 FIP
    3.48 xFIP
    3.53 SIERA
    3.19 BB/9
    8.68 K/9
    0.75 HR/9

    Beckett:
    3.68 FIP
    3.45 xFIP
    3.45 SIERA
    2.37 BB/9
    8.42 K/9
    1.07 HR/9

  83. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Oh hey, completely forgot Noesi was part of the Pineda trade.

    But why is Nova guaranteed #4?  They brought Garcia back and Hughes has way more potential than Nova does, so unless they stick Burnett in the ‘pen I wouldn’t say Nova is even guaranteed a spot in the rotation.

  84. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Harden would be alright on a minor league deal, or if he was willing to start the year in the ‘pen if he doesn’t win a spot in the rotation, but if they were to sign Oswalt the 1-4 spots are locks and they already have Bard/Aceves/Doubront/Miller/Silva/Cook competing for the #5 spot.

  85. MaineSox 3 years ago

    I think Lester has become the de facto ace because he has been healthier as of late (100 more innings since ’08), but as far as actual pitching talent goes they have been very close over the last four years.

  86. MaineSox 3 years ago

     Of those three teams it is definitely the Ray, but between the Red Sox and Yankees I would say that it is a relative tie.

  87. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Oh yeah, I thought you were saying instead of trying Bard in the rotation.

  88. MaineSox 3 years ago

     Wins are more of a team stat than an actual way to evaluate a pitcher.  And while Nova pitched pretty well last year, I don’t think he pitched well enough to guarantee himself a rotation spot.  At least not considering the other possible options.

  89. johnsilver 3 years ago

    This was already addressed by another member here, but using wins for how good a player is can be busted easily by 1 player off the top of my head.. John lackey..

    12-12 last season and 14-11 the year before.. lackey had one of the worst years in MLB history for someone who had at least a .500 record with 10+ wins and an ERA that high. . 6.41 to be exact.

    Nova is a fairly good young pitcher granted, but lets please leave wins total out of the equation in most cases.

  90. BrocNessMonster 3 years ago

    If Nova gets hurt like Hughes was, you won’t be getting any wins out of him either.

  91. BrocNessMonster 3 years ago

    If Nova gets hurt like Hughes was, you won’t be getting any wins out of him either.

  92. MaineSox 3 years ago

     Haha, yeah I get you, I just interpreted it wrong the first time.

  93. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    cool picture, terrible post

  94. UltimateYankeeFan 3 years ago

    Sorry. in Oswalt vs Nova comparison it should be: “That’s assuming the…”.  

    Apologies for the typo.

  95. RedSoxDynasty 3 years ago

    i Disagree cuz the facts are the Yankees are in for a disappointing season! Disagree if you like but the facts are the facts!

  96. MaineSox 3 years ago

    People saying that Beckett is only good in odd years is honestly one of the strangest things I’ve ever heard.  He was bad in ’06 as a 26yo, in his first year with a new team, and moving from the NL East to the AL East; the from ’07-’09 he was one of the best pitchers in the game (notice that that include ’08 – and even year – in which he had one of the best years of his career, despite the high ERA), then he was bad in ’10 and killed it in ’11.  He’s had 2 bad years that were 4 years apart, so there is absolutely no trend to say that he is bad in even years.  I’m still not convinced that Pineda would be the #2 next year anyway, but if he is the match up would go to Beckett.

    Kuroda – Buchholz would be a toss-up because we have no idea how well Kuroda will translate from the offensively challenged pitcher’s haven, known as the NL West, to the offensive juggernaut and hitter’s haven known as the AL East.

    And how can you even pretend that Nova is a better pitcher than Oswalt?  That match up isn’t even close.

    And the Bullpens should be pretty close after the Sox’s ‘pen losing Pap and Bard: the Red Sox ‘pen was better than the Yankees last year according to WAR, FIP, xFIP, SIERA, tERA, FIP-, and K/BB

  97. slider32 3 years ago

    The Sox are better than the Rays on paper, but not by much. It all depends on how the pitching holds up.

  98. slider32 3 years ago

    The injuries are what makes the Sox rotation shaky.

  99. slider32 3 years ago

    The key word is health.

  100. slider32 3 years ago

    The Yanks also have the most depth besides being the most consistent.

  101. slider32 3 years ago

    That is true, but the relief goes to the Yanks, their pitchers only need to go 6, maybe 5 when Joba comes back.

  102. Greg Furlong 3 years ago

    Lol. Pineda over Beckett?  More importantly, Nova over Oswalt?  UltimateYankeeFan indeed…

  103. RedSoxDynasty 3 years ago

    you stated no facts, jusy a biased NY opinion which means nothing!

  104. MB923 3 years ago

    As an unbiased fan:

    Sabathia – Lester, slight edge to Sabathia

    Beckett –  Pineda, Beckett due to experience

    Oswalt – Kuroda, Slight edge to Oswalt

    Buchholz – Nova, this is a toss up.

    Bard – ?, Unknown. If it’s Burnett I’d say Bard. But if it’s Hughes or Garcia I’ll say toss up.

  105. MaineSox 3 years ago

     People saying that Beckett is only good in odd years is honestly one of
    the strangest things I’ve ever heard.  He was bad in ’06 as a 26yo, in
    his first year with a new team, and moving from the NL East to the AL
    East; the from ’07-’09 he was one of the best pitchers in the game
    (notice that that include ’08 – and even year – in which he had one of
    the best years of his career, despite the high ERA), then he was bad in
    ’10 and killed it in ’11.  He’s had 2 bad years that were 4 years apart,
    so there is absolutely no trend to say that he is bad in even years. 
    I’m still not convinced that Pineda would be the #2 next year anyway,
    but if he is the match up would go to Beckett.

    Kuroda – Buchholz would be a toss-up because we have no idea how well
    Kuroda will translate from the offensively challenged pitcher’s haven,
    known as the NL West, to the offensive juggernaut and hitter’s haven
    known as the AL East.

    And how can you even pretend that Nova is a better pitcher than Oswalt?  That match up isn’t even close.

    And the Bullpens should be pretty close after the Sox’s ‘pen losing Pap
    and Bard: the Red Sox ‘pen was better than the Yankees last year
    according to WAR, FIP, xFIP, SIERA, tERA, FIP-, and
    K/BB.

  106. BrocNessMonster 3 years ago

    Its a fact that the Yankees are in for a disappointing season? Sure. Whatever.

  107. BrocNessMonster 3 years ago

    Its a fact that the Yankees are in for a disappointing season? Sure. Whatever.

  108. MB923 3 years ago

    U Mad?

  109. MB923 3 years ago

    Nova is 110% guaranteed to be in the rotation (at least at the start of the year). In the 2nd half he had a 3.26 ERA. 12 of his last 16 starts he allowed 3 runs or less and 11 of his last 16 starts were quality starts. And he pitched at least 6 innings in 12 of them.

  110. MaineSox 3 years ago

    The fact that they were shot by injuries the last two years doesn’t mean that it will happen again this year, players can be injury prone, teams can’t.  Unless you are really trying to say that they just have bud luck with injuries and are seriously going to use that to evaluate the Red Sox team.

    “Oh, they’ll be bad because their whole team will be injured again this year, don’t worry about the fact that they may just be the most talented team in the league.”

  111. MB923 3 years ago

    Bullpens could be close but I still gotta give the edge to teh Yankees. Melancon/Bailey is not better than Bard/Papelbon. Maybe it’s equal to, but not better.

  112. MaineSox 3 years ago

     That would guarantee 2 of Garcia, Hughes, and Burnett would be in the ‘pen and I have a hard time seeing them sticking Burnett in the ‘pen, so you’d have both of Garcia and Hughes in the ‘pen and Hughes likely has the most potential out of any of those four and Garcia pitched better than Burnett last year.

  113. MB923 3 years ago

    Agreed

    I’ll go

    1 – Rays
    2a- Yankees
    2b- Red Sox
    Last – Orioles

  114. slider32 3 years ago

    Pitching is not just the starting pitching, overall the Yanks have the best pitching counting the relief.

  115. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Do the Yankees really have more depth for the rotation?  As of right now (meaning assuming the Sox don’t sign Oswalt) they have 6 starting pitchers not actually in the rotation, purely for depth.

  116. MaineSox 3 years ago

     He was making a point because UltimateYankeeFan stated a bunch of opinions about the rotations and ended with “the facts are the facs”

  117. slider32 3 years ago

    You would be surprised how many times a starter doesn’t figure in a decision.

  118. slider32 3 years ago

    You would be surprised how many times a starter doesn’t figure in a decision.

  119. MaineSox 3 years ago

    It doesn’t need to be better; the Red Sox ‘pen was better than the Yankees ‘pen last year, so even if Melancon/Bailey is slightly worse than Bard/Papelbon they would still be basically even.

  120. MaineSox 3 years ago

     The Red Sox relief was better than the Yankees last year, so even the change from Bard/Pap to Melancon/Bailey it would be essentially even.

  121. MaineSox 3 years ago

     Yeah, agreed.  As currently constituted I’d have to give the edge to the Yankees rotation because the Red Sox essentially have two unknowns at the back of the rotation.  If the Red Sox really do end up signing Oswalt I might give them a slight edge on paper, but it could really go either way at that point.

  122. MB923 3 years ago

    I could see 1 of them (possibly even Hughes) getting traded. 

  123. MB923 3 years ago

    That’s mainly cause of Aceves who was one of the best long relief pitchers in baseball. 7-8-9 pitchers were, in my opinion, better (not a lot better, but better nontheless) for the Yankees and those are the most important pieces to a bullpen. 

    Joba (when he comes back) – Soriano – Robertson – Mo is about as nasty as it gets.

    That is not a knock on the Red Sox bullpen which is still very good. Don’t get me wrong.

  124. MB923 3 years ago

    Agreed. And you have to figure Bard is going to be on an innings limit and will split time with Aceves or Miller.

  125. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Maybe, but Hughes is coming off of a relatively lost year, so they would be trading very low on him.

  126. MaineSox 3 years ago

     I don’t necessarily disagree about the back of the bullpen, but I don’t agree that it was mostly because of Aceves.  Ace threw a bunch of innings, but he was only worth .7 WAR and he had a 4.00 FIP and 4.50 xFIP; Pap, Bard, Atchinson, Hill, Morales, Albers, and Wheeler all actually pitched better than Aceves last year.

  127. Mo is just entering into his prime though.

  128. Pineda is a flyball pitcher.  Could get gnarly in the new Yankee stadium.

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