Quick Hits: Bard, Halladay, De La Rosa

Carlos Zambrano hit and pitched the Marlins into a first place tie with the Nationals in the NL East.  Zambrano hit a 431-foot home run, the longest by a pitcher in four years according to the ESPN Home Run Tracker, and struck out seven in 7 2/3 innings.  Here are today's other pitcher-related links.


Leave a Reply

23 Comments on "Quick Hits: Bard, Halladay, De La Rosa"


Guest
3 years 2 months ago

Is this good for the phillies?

I mean i guess it depends on how he performs..if he pitches worthy og 20 mil then i guess its not good, but if he keep pitching even close to he did this year it might be one of those…”aww, sorry but it didn’t workout” type of things

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 2 months ago

Gives flexibility with regards to signing Cole.

I think they’d still work something out with Doc even if the option doesn’t vest… just not at $20 million. He wants to finish his career here.

Guest
3 years 2 months ago

isn’t that what [almost] every player says/makes it seem?

Not that I’m doubting you, but just saying.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 2 months ago

I think he’s truly sincere though. I understand it’s a lot of BS with most players but given the kind of money he sacrificed to come here and the support he’s gotten, I believe him.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Yeah, it’s hard to doubt Halladay’s sincerity about that after all the money he gave up to stay there.

Guest
3 years 2 months ago

 true. plus, at this point of his career, i doubt he’d wanna be doing a bunch of jumping around with different teams after he’s only been with 2 teams his whole career.  It would be interesting if Toronto is contending big around that time (as i think they will) if they would make a push.  They certainly are in better shape than they were when he left (which, if i remember right, was pretty much the main reason he wanted out in the first place).

jb226
3 years 2 months ago

Did he do that because of his love of Philadelphia, though, or because of the chance he felt they gave him to win?  

The Phils have been doing pretty well considering their two best hitters are out, but it’s a team with a lot of questions moving forward.  If two years down the road they aren’t looking like strong contenders, does he stay anyway (and do they even want him to)?

dylanp5030
3 years 2 months ago

It could make him a great rade target for other teams looking for an ace for a year and looking to recoup draft picks as well…

Good for Halladay.  He’s underpaid compared to other aces in baseball these days.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 2 months ago

I wonder what he could’ve gotten on the free agent market. Could he have been the first $200 million pitcher? (unlikely… but possible).

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

it would have been close I think.. 

dylanp5030
3 years 2 months ago

Doubtful since he would have been 33. But it wouldn’t have been out of the question for a 7/150 deal.

dylanp5030
3 years 2 months ago

Huh? How is it good for him? He’ll be 37. I don’t exactly think GM’s will be offering 5 year deals here. If the option doesn’t vest, he will be looking at 2-3 year deals in the vicinity of 14-16 per. Not exactly ideal for Roy.

Even less ideal for the Phillies.  How does losing a year of control over their best pitcher benefit them?

dylanp5030
3 years 2 months ago

Pretty sure that is untrue. The option is guaranteed at the 415 IP or some other stipulations, but if it’s not guaranteed, I’m pretty sure it can be still picked up. I could be wrong but I think it turns to a club option at that point.

I read in the Inquirer this week that there is no team or player option if the vesting option does not kick in.

johnsilver
3 years 2 months ago

 Here is his contractual option breakdown from Cot’s page:

2014 option guaranteed with all of the following:225 IP in 2013,415 IP in 2012-13, andHalladay is not on disabled list at end of 2013 season

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 2 months ago

Not familiar with Bard’s situation… but couldn’t they just option him when Dice-K comes back and let him pitch through his struggles at AAA?

He needs to learn how to manage his way through a game. I thought he threw a decent ballgame against us… one thing that stood out to me was horrible pitch selection though.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Yeah, they can, and personally I think that’s probably what they should do at this point.  Even if they give up on him as a starter he’s likely going to need some time to get back into the swing of things as a reliever (and to get his command back, going to the ‘pen isn’t going to magically straighten that out), so I’d send him down to keep working on starting.

hawkny1
3 years 2 months ago

Bard over thinks when he pitches.  As a result his body doesn’t do what is mind tells it to do,  because he has it confused with so much thought.

johnsilver
3 years 2 months ago

 Bard can’t throw a bloomin’ strike for a month in a start and it is getting worse and worse. Matsuzaka has been doing decent in his rehab starts.. Time to cease and desist this trial SP with Bard, unless he agrees to go to Pawtucket on his own time and works on it, cause it is a 100% abysmal failure all the way around.. 5+mph loss in velocity with his FB, loss of his control in every pitch he HAD control in?

He wants to be a SP.. Go try it out in winterball, or like mentioned.. At AAA.. This travesty has gone on long enough.. Cook can do better than this.

dylanp5030
3 years 2 months ago

If it’s a guarantee that Docs option won’t best, Phillies might be best suited to trade him. A 1/20 mil Halladay would be EXTREMELY valued. Plus, you’d get picks and the Phils could sign Cole. I love Roy, but that might be the best thing for the Phils at this point.

chee1rs
3 years 2 months ago

2 hugely underachieving teams