MLB To Prevent Tanaka From Donating To Old Team

Major League Baseball will make sure Masahiro Tanaka's Japanese team, the Rakuten Golden Eagles, does not receive more than its $20MM posting fee as a result of Tanaka's departure to the US, Bill Shaikin and Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times report. That means that Tanaka cannot donate money to Rakuten.

Rakuten's president, Yozo Tachibana, had previously said that Tanaka intended to give money to Rakuten to improve its stadium. Rakuten has reportedly investigated adding a dome. Tanaka would, according to Tachibana, "cooperate and donate . . . starting with improving the environment for the players and to make sure it’s the kind of stadium that can be loved by [local] fans."

Such a donation would violate the agreement between MLB and NPB, which forbids NPB teams from receiving any money beyond a player's posting fee. "We are intent on enforcing all the provisions of the agreement," says MLB spokesperson Pat Courtney.


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rootlinuxusr
1 year 6 months ago

**Rakuted** has reportedly investigated adding a dome.

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Tj Kobold
1 year 6 months ago

Why?

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start_wearing_purple
1 year 6 months ago

To make sure a team doesn’t say “We’ll only post you for a percentage of your future salary.”

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gwell55
1 year 6 months ago

The jpn league should just pull back and make MLB wait to get any of their leagues drafted players. After all MLB doesn’t control all the baseball money in the other countries.

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jtmorgan
1 year 6 months ago

The agreement is only in place really to protect the Japanese teams so nobody does like Nomo did and retire in order to go to the US. The agreement makes it where MLB recognizes the years of team control that the team has. Some teams don’t eve post players and are on record saying they will never, but they only want the agreement to protect their assets.

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gwell55
1 year 6 months ago

Quote: “The agreement is only in place really to protect the Japanese teams so
nobody does like Nomo did and retire in order to go to the US”

Actually this isn’t true as the Protection Japan’s league offers is that NO Player who leaves and signs in another league when a Japan team drafts or signed player may return to Japan and play in their league. Effective ban on them being able to return.

That is the main deterrent. The real reason that MLB wants this 20M or less is to protect that MLB owners money and assests. The other other reason is to let all teams to be able to try and sign a very good player such as Tanaka.

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1 year 6 months ago

The $20M max bid was largely pushed to protect the smaller markets in MLB (since larger markets typically get every top free agent that is posted just like the regular MLB free agency).

The posting fee doesn’t count towards the luxury tax, so a team like the Yankees that flirts around the threshold could have blown anyone out of the water to gain exclusive negotiating rights in the previous agreement.

For example: Rather than a deal like the Rangers where the $51M posting fee (of $111M total) didn’t count against the luxury tax, it will now be capped at $20M. Making the assumption that Darvish was posted under this system and the Rangers spent the same $111M total to get him, $91M would count towards the luxury tax versus the $60M contract that Darvish received.

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drwheelock
1 year 6 months ago

For the past several months I’ve been thinking “what would stop the Yankees” from contacting the Giants and Tanaka ahead of time enticing them to post him “if” they signed with the Yanks. And the Yanks would make sure somehow money gets trickled back to the Giants.

This stand MLB is taking to prevent this is to prevent a large market team to overpay ‘again’ for the player with inappropriate kick backs.

I’m sure Giants wouldn’t have posted Tanaka if they felt MLB would make sure Tanaka or the signing team couldn’t provide add’l kickbacks. It’s sounding like thats what the arrangement could have been to get Giants to say Yes on Posting.

Just my thoughts. I just don’t trust the Yankees to attempt to pull something like this off, and use their past power and money to undercut all other MLB teams.

All I am gonna say is that “I smell scrupulous Yankee ‘back door’ activity possibly going on. It sure wouldn’t surprise me one bit!

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brianc6234
1 year 6 months ago

Or maybe it was the Dodgers who did what you said. They have more money than all of the other teams combined.

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brianc6234
1 year 6 months ago

The old system was better. Nobody knew what to offer because nobody knew what other teams would offer. Now you offer $20 million and you’re in. But then it most likely becomes the teams with the huge payrolls who will get the players.

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1 year 6 months ago

Not really. The old system was always going to be the large market teams as well, because they had the money to outbid everyone else. Sure, they were blind bids, but large markets always throw larger amounts of money at players because they can take on the greater risk. If both teams value a player at 6 yrs, $60M with a roughly $40-50M bid as the max investment, the larger market team would just make a $60M+ bid to ensure they won it. Smaller market teams would only win when a player is highly undervalued by other teams, or they highly overvalue them.

In the previous agreement, larger markets could easily outbid other teams on the posting fee and not have that difference in bid be subjected to the luxury tax. Now, with the posting fee the same for everyone, the difference in contracts offered by the big spender will be subject to the luxury tax.

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KnowledgeDivine
1 year 6 months ago

The Money teams should have that luxury of being able to deal with such , The luxury tax is helping the small teams who some dont even spend the money and still get the draft picks etc. The posting system is a money deal. i also say there should be a lottery in the draft where one of the bigger market teams have a chance to draft in the top ten

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Grayson Gallegos
1 year 6 months ago

The Mets have the #10 pick in the up coming draft.

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outlawsundown
1 year 6 months ago

When it comes down to it the guys that really want to go play in the Majors and can make it probably don’t plan on going back to play. I think guys like Darvish are here because they want to compete. Making a bunch of money helps but when it comes down to it I think he wanted a challenge. The threat of not being able to return probably won’t stop the best. In the very least with the posting system teams get something out of it.

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Leonard Washington
1 year 6 months ago

Actually its doing very little to help MLB teams. See most teams wouldn’t even be involved because the ability to bid an outrageous number was always available. And that bidding money for the negotiation was off the books and didn’t add to the cap. So now not only do big market teams not have that luxury of being able to steal the market but the competition bred by this rule is likely to escalate the players price to a ridiculous level, which will now more than ever effect the cap. So the owners willing to spend have lost the market exclusivity, and will now be taking bigger hits on the cap. So in NO way does this help the big league teams. If ANYTHING it is 100% to the PLAYERS benefit. They get a perfect bidding war to drive up their salary as well as a much larger selection of destinations.

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brianc6234
1 year 6 months ago

All this new deal does though is help the Yankees and Dodgers to sign Tanaka. They have all the money. It makes it so everyone can talk to the players but it does nothing else.

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KnowledgeDivine
1 year 6 months ago

The Yankees pay luxury tax to teams that not even spending it . leave some things for the teams that have money who donates to the lesser

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Pei Kang
1 year 6 months ago

makes me wonder if Japan will slowly stop posting their star players.

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DunkinDonuts
1 year 6 months ago

I suspect they will still post star players, but with only one year left on the NPB contract, rather than two. Players with multiple MLB suitors will still fetch the maximum bid, and $20M (plus one year of relief from a player’s NPB salary) is a significant amount of money in exchange for surrendering one year of control, particularly in the NPB, where the top salary does not exceed $6M/year.

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Pei Kang
1 year 6 months ago

probably

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Karkat
1 year 6 months ago

I honestly don’t see the problem with that, but I can see why the MLB wouldn’t like it, I guess.

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BlueSkyLA
1 year 6 months ago

It’s called demanding a kickback, the kind of thing you’d only expect from people on the wrong side of the law.

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Karkat
1 year 6 months ago

It’s a pretty big favor to the player, especially now with the posting fee limit. If two adults (neither of whom are particularly unempowered) agree to mutually-beneficial terms like that, I don’t really see the issue. In the real, non-baseball, non-millionaires world then yes, I can definitely see why such an arrangement would be a problem.

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BlueSkyLA
1 year 6 months ago

It’s no favor at all. His team can either abide by the agreement or not post him. Seems this is the exact position being taken by MLB.

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Karkat
1 year 6 months ago

It’s disingenuous to claim that Rakuten is not doing Tanaka a huge favor by posting him. He’ll end up making more than triple the max 2013 NPB salary next year now.

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BlueSkyLA
1 year 6 months ago

No, it’s completely accurate. If they don’t think it’s worth $20m to them to release him from his contract two years early, then they should not do it. They have that choice or abiding by the terms of the agreement between the leagues. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

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Karkat
1 year 6 months ago

I think that’s an overly-simplistic view of the situation, really.

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BlueSkyLA
1 year 6 months ago

Say what you like, it’s still completely accurate.

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hediouspb
1 year 6 months ago

The complication arises because before the change they intended to post him. After the change it makes no sense to do so. They were stuck between a promise and a huge change in the system that set them back about 40m.

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BlueSkyLA
1 year 6 months ago

If it makes no sense to post him, then why are they doing it? They are not stuck at all. The two leagues came to an agreement that explicitly prohibits kickbacks, so it isn’t even a question of whether it might be okay for Tanaka’s team to demand one. Clearly it is not, so I’m not really understanding what part of this is debatable.

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hediouspb
1 year 6 months ago

they are stuck between a moral decision and a financial decision. they did not believe that the posting system would be altered to this extent when they told the player that he would be posted. the changes make it financially prudent to keep the player for one more year. under the new system it makes no sense to post a player until they have one season left on their contract.

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BlueSkyLA
1 year 6 months ago

Don’t forget, this posting agreement was negotiated by the two leagues. If the financial consequences of posting any given player has changed as a result, then the team can and should revaluate their decision. Players in MLB aren’t asked if they want to be traded and they normally can’t get away with demanding one. Posting is really no different. To me the essence of this situation is simple: either they post him and abide by the rules, or they don’t post him.

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MaineSox
1 year 6 months ago

Eh, you could call it buying your way out of a contract; the team doesn’t have to post the player at all, they own the rights to their services.

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BlueSkyLA
1 year 6 months ago

The terms between the two leagues are set. Demanding that a player kick back in order for his team to honor them is borderline at best.

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MaineSox
1 year 6 months ago

The terms for once a player is posted are set, but MLB has no say in whether teams post the players to begin with, and shouldn’t have any say in teams asking for players to pay to be let out of their contract.

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BlueSkyLA
1 year 6 months ago

The first part is right. The second part, wrong. The NPB wants this posting agreement just as much MLB. If any team can detour around the agreement it’s effectively void. Agreements are only useful if both parties abide by them.

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outlawsundown
1 year 6 months ago

Coercing players into giving a kickback violates the spirit of the agreement and is massively unethical. Not to mention would completely undermine the system. When it comes to players that ultimately are going to get a smaller contract it probably wouldn’t make getting posted worth it.

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BlueSkyLA
1 year 6 months ago

It also violates the letter of the agreement. This posting agreement was difficult enough to negotiate, and it expires in only three years. Imagine what would happen in the next round of negotiations if the first posting to be subject to the current rules violates them.

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Yaow
1 year 6 months ago

Who says that Rakuten is coercing him to donate money for stadium upkeep?

Tanaka is going to be an extremely rich man soon. And I’m assuming that he has a fondness for his former club.

Maybe he truly wants to help them with a donation.

Either way, if that’s the case, I’m sure they can find a way around MLB for Tanaka’s donation to help improve their stadium.

I see what everyone is saying with clubs being dastardly in their intentions, but, if I had a fondness for my homeland, my former club and my country, and I was about to get PAID, I wouldn’t have a problem with a “donation” either.

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Guest
1 year 6 months ago

Well lets do the thing someone suggested where the team that wins Tanaka has to buy a scrub player from the Eagles also, so they get 40 million instead of 20 million

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pastlives
1 year 6 months ago

lol i assume you’re joking, and not missing the giant flaw in that plan

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pft2
1 year 6 months ago

I figured that Rakuten was shaking down Tanaka which was what the whole delay was about. However, I am pretty sure there are ways for Tanaka to donate the money through a 3rd party, and you don’t want to mess with the Amazon of Japan.

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Guest
1 year 6 months ago

Eagles should pull back from posting Tanaka then, just say something about his physical is bad