Alex Rodriguez Suspension Now 162 Games

The result of Alex Rodriguez's appeal is in, and he will be suspended for 162 games, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. Rodriguez plans to appeal the suspension in federal court. The suspension will cover the full 2014 season, and also the postseason, Yahoo! Sports' Tim Brown tweets. The suspension previously was 211 games. Even though the suspension was reduced, the decision by arbitrator Fredric Horowitz appears to be a victory for Major League Baseball, which won a suspension for A-Rod that goes far beyond those of other first-time PED offenders.

"The number of games sadly comes as no surprise, as the deck has been stacked against me from day one," says Rodriguez in a statement released on his Facebook page. "I am confident that when a Federal Judge reviews the entirety of the record … the judge will find that the panel blatantly disregarded the law and facts, and will overturn the suspension."

The MLBPA, meanwhile, says in a statement that it disagrees with the arbitrator's decision, but respects the process that led to it. "We recognize that a final and binding decision has been reached, however, and we respect the collectively-bargained arbitration process which led to the decision," says the union.

A-Rod's suspension for the entire season means the Yankees will save about $24.3MM against the 2014 luxury tax threshold. Rodriguez's luxury-tax figure is $27.5MM, but Joel Sherman of the New York Post notes (via Twitter) that the Yankees will be assessed about $3.16MM of that, since 183 days, and not 162, counts as a year. In any case, the suspension could help the Yankees get below the $189MM threshold, if they choose. The Yankees will also save $25MM in salary.

That savings could give the Yankees more flexibility to pursue Masahiro Tanaka or other free agents. Also, the Yankees may now look for another option at third base, even though they have Kelly Johnsona report earlier today indicated that they could consider Michael Young or Mark Reynolds, both of whom are free agents.


355 Responses to Alex Rodriguez Suspension Now 162 Games Leave a Reply

  1. Lilstackhustla 2 years ago

    Not sure how to feel…

    • Greg Gaugler 2 years ago

      As a Red Sox fan, I want him to play. It hurts the Yankees more to have him play since he’s not worth $25M+. BUT my love of baseball supersedes my love of the Red Sox in this case. So out of respect for the game, I want him punished for a reasonable duration.

      • goorru 2 years ago

        Yet you probably idolize Big Papi(steroid user).

        • You seem so sure he uses steroids, yet there is no evidence to support that.

          • 0vercast 2 years ago

            Conviction via rumor. Case closed.

          • MB923 2 years ago

            Not steroids but PED’s. MLBPA actually confirmed to Ortiz that he did test positive though it is unknown whether or not they were legal or illegal PED’s.

          • chris hines 2 years ago

            Not really such a thing as “legal” PED at this point, he tested positive for something that would be on the ban list today. The only question is did he knowingly take steroids, testosterone, et al or did he take a GNC type supplement and not know what was in it because at the time he didn’t have to know.

          • iheartyourfart 2 years ago

            what is the mitchell report

        • Sportsbozo1 2 years ago

          Where’s your evidence? I don’t idolize anyone. I do however know what a slanderous statement is, what you just stated is unfounded and merely speculation on your part. Not only has Ortiz never been suspended for PED use he’s never been accused of using them either. In Arods case he admitted he used steroids back when he was in High school and later, but MLB chose not to pursue a suspension, in the present case he was targeted for a much larger suspension than his counterpart Ryan Braun who has since apologized for lying about his first PED case and received a virtual slap on the wrist for case number two in comparison to what they have handed AROD, it is just my opinion but unfair labor laws do apply in his case. simply put Braun is the model which Arod’s legal representatives will site as proof of unfair labor practices and he will be playing this year.

          • chris hines 2 years ago

            It’s been revealed Ortiz was on the exact same “anonymous” MLB test from the early 2000’s as Alex Rodriguez and Manny. So yeah I’d say he’s been more than “Accused”.

          • t b 2 years ago

            And an hour before Ortiz made his press conference MLB released a statement saying that Names had been leaked off list and claims of illegal substances were being made that did not corolate to MLB’s list and findings….meaning they tested for things beyond steroids, HGH etc and that was at a time before Ortiz started eating right and working out and was fighting his weight a bit so it could have been something in a legally purchased supplement.

          • metsfanman 2 years ago

            To say Ortiz “never been accused of using” PEDs is simply wrong. He was on the list of players to test positive for PEDs in 2003, according to sources of the New York Times.
            and he confirmed to Boston media that he had tested positive, though denying he had used PEDs and saying he would investigate and report on how he could have tested positive.
            As far as I know, Ortiz never came up with a good explanation for having tested positive for PEDs.

          • hediouspb 2 years ago

            they can site it and then realize that walking in and negotiating a suspension is going to get you less then fighting at every single step both above board and underhandedly.

        • Greg Gaugler 2 years ago

          Idolize? No. Appreciate what he provides now that he’s positively clean? Sure. Ashamed for the shame he brought to the ballclub? That too. It just is what it is. A lot of ball clubs now just have to deal with black spots on their records, move forward. Away from the illegal substances.

        • Randy Jay Pena 2 years ago

          It’s a shame these yankees fans still think Ortiz took PEDs when there wasn’t any evidence but won’t admit when Clemens, Giambi and Sheffield were juicing.

          • MB923 2 years ago

            No Yankee fan ever denied Clemens, Sheffield and Giambi were juicing. We in the past just informed you guys that they were juicers on previous teams as well.

            2nd thing, there is evidence against Ortiz. He failed a PED test. The same and only test that A-Rod has ever failed. Only reason we know about his (A-Rod) past steroid usage was because he confessed.

            Lastly, it’s the Red Sox fans who won’t admit Papi failed, such as you doing that right now.

            Feel free to continue this argument all you want.

          • Wek 2 years ago

            It’s a shame when fans dont even know what is going on with the players they root for. Also tells you what to expect from certain fanbases.

            “I’m not talking about that anymore. Afterwards, he confirmed that he’d been told that he was on the list and promised to speak with the media once he “[got] to the bottom of” the matter.”

          • jp1198 2 years ago

            Read up on the Ortiz failed PED test, and you’ll find that there is reason to believe that that is very poor proof of him taking steroids. He was never told what he tested positive for, and it’s quite possible it was a substance that was legal at the time. In fact, out of the 7 players who were named on that report, the ONLY player for whom it was revealed what they tested positive for was A-Rod.

            A-Rod definitely took steroids. He did a decade ago, and it’s very possible that he did recently at the biogenesis clinic. Now, I’m not saying that there’s no way Ortiz took/takes steroids. It’s possible he did; I’m not sure. But you have to admit, there is much more proof of Rodriguez taking steroids than there is for Ortiz.

          • MB923 2 years ago

            I said all of this earlier. It is Unknown what Ortiz tested positive for because it is in a court of law. It is also unknown what A-Rod testied positive for if I”m not mistaken. His past steroid usage was from 01-03 with the Rangers. Both of them only failed one test and it was the same one.

            Also I never said anything about steroids regarding Ortiz. I said PED’s. And I agree A-Rod did (well he confessed to that lol).

            And obviously there is more proof of A-Rod doing that, I never disagreed with that either or haven’t stated otherwise. You are right.

          • Lionel Bossman Craft 2 years ago

            Clemens played for the Sox too right?

          • t b 2 years ago

            Yes but all the evidence of his years taking roids are after he left and mainly with the Yankees

          • Lionel Bossman Craft 2 years ago

            Show proof or explain.

          • t b 2 years ago

            Oddly a lot of the people caught or admitting use are or were Yankees though…..

          • Lionel Bossman Craft 2 years ago

            Just like Manny and Ortiz? You realize there were 109 names on that Mitchell Report?

      • chris hines 2 years ago

        Alex is still by far the best option for the Yankees at 3B and DH in 2014, he makes the lineup significantly better and longer. If you hate the Yankees him being suspened helps the Sox.

      • BK 2 years ago

        A reasonable duration as stated by the rules as 50 games. It is unfathomable that an independent arbitrator would rule otherwise.

  2. Marky Mark 2 years ago

    No way A-Rod doesn’t take this to federal court.. This is far from over in MLB’s case, but I wouldn’t expect A-rod to step on a field next year regardless of the outcome of the federal case

    • MB923 2 years ago

      He definitely will. He said it in his statement

    • Croagnut 2 years ago

      If he takes it to court, he’ll get an injunction allowing him to play until its resolved. No way this is settled by season end, never mind the start.

      • Adam Brunelle 2 years ago

        No way he gets an injunction to overturn an arbiter’s decision that relates to a labor contract unless the arbitrator is seen to have been wholly unjust and unfair. And there’s absolutely no way that happens. ARod will not be allowed to play this season no matter what he does.

        • Croagnut 2 years ago

          “unless the arbitrator is seen to have been wholly unjust and unfair”. That will probably be his exact words for the injunction.

          • Adam Brunelle 2 years ago

            Yeah but it takes a huge leap for a judge to overturn a decision that’s the result of a CBA. I just don’t think a judge will be willing to touch the decision, though I could see Rodriguez seeking damages in some kind of civil suit. He will have to remain suspended the entire season unless something fairly unprecedented happens. Judges very rarely meddle in arbitration that’s the result of a labor contract like the one between MLB and MLBPA. Horowitz will have explained his position and the judge will look at that. If the decision is even remotely within the bounds of reason given the circumstances, the judge will do nothing to block it.

        • Sportsbozo1 2 years ago

          OK Adam here’s my case I present in front of a Federal Judge: your honor MLB suspended Ryan Braun for 50 games on his second offence, I have never been suspended for any usage of PED’s and have been unfairly singled out by their process. I should have received no more than a 50 game suspension. A Judge with any moral standards will immediately issue an injunction.

          • metsfanman 2 years ago

            Braun agreed to admit his guilt in exchange for a 65 game suspension. ARod took his chances, not accepting a plea offer and got a harsher punishment. Happens all of the time in criminal law that people get lesser sentences than they might otherwise receive if they admit guilt to some offense. No judge who acts professionally will have a problem with Braun getting a lesser punishment, having, unlike Arod, admitted his guilt. Not to mention, Arod may well have done more to warrant punishment (ex. trying to cover up evidence) than Braun.

          • t b 2 years ago

            And the judge will say you never denied the allegations in the hearing you stormed out. You attacked the witnesses and evidence but never denied the allegations. Give me a signed sworn statement you did not use PED’s which A-rod would never do because it would open him up to federal purgery charges. A-Rod cheated….He got caught….Look at how far Armstrongs Federal case went….The judge said The Federal courts have no jurisdiction to look over penalties, suspention or bans made by the bodies overseeing sports or their arbitatration rulings. A-Rod will not even get a day in court

          • t b 2 years ago

            Braun got 65. the extra 15 were for the fake website he made to try to hide his illegal use. If A-Rod had shut up and worked with MLB I bet you he would have 100 games maybe in the 80-85 range but he decided to fight for his “legacy” because now all his stats are tained and he will never see the Hall.

      • LazerTown 2 years ago

        If he can get on the field that is the best case for the Yankees. The farther they can push his time served on any suspension is better.

      • LazerTown 2 years ago

        If he can get on the field that is the best case for the Yankees. The farther they can push his time served on any suspension is better.

    • garylanglais 2 years ago

      Courts strongly defer to decisions rendered during binding arbitration. Alex is going to have to show an appearance of bias or the result conflicts so much with the evidence that no reasonable person could have decided that way.

      Either way, he will be allowed (and surely will) file an appeal but I don’t expect it to make a difference

      • Sportsbozo1 2 years ago

        His filing of a civil lawsuit shows he didn’t expect to receive a fair and even punishment, with that said a judge has to by law issue an injunction until it can be heard in Civil court room.

        • garylanglais 2 years ago

          Judge doesn’t have to do anything. ARod, by vrture of becoming a member of the players association submitted himself to the rules and regs of the CBA which states grievances are handled through arbitration. He went through the process (i.e., had his day in court to defend his rights) and lost.

          To secure a preliminary injunction in a federal court ARod must satisfy the following elements:

          1) that there is a likelihood of irreparable harm with no adequate
          remedy at law;
          2) that the balance of harm favors the movant;
          3) that
          there is a likelihood of success on the merits of the case; and
          4) that
          the public interest favors the granting of the injunction

          Prong #4 is going to be the most difficult. As has been said in this thread, courts are very reluctant to overstep an arbitration decision. It is public policy to refrain from doing that outside of bias or a decision that is clearly against the basis of evidence.

          I personally don’t see ARod being able to satisfy the requirements to be granted a preliminary injunction. If he wants to continue his suit he could do so and demand damages for lost wages.

    • t b 2 years ago

      Federal courts don’t like to hear arbitration cases period let alone sports steroid cases. Armstrong had a better case than A-rod and the judge said it wasn’t the courts place to deal with sports suspentions, bans or penalties especially when there is an arbitration system which Armstrong went through and lost just like A-Rod………oh and later he admitted he did use…just saying

  3. I really hope some tweets come out with the Yankees signing Grant Balfour. Would be nice. I want some rage in NY.

  4. Muhamed Mashkulli 2 years ago

    Good he deserves it

  5. Dynasty22 2 years ago

    This isn’t ending anytime soon.

  6. Roger Hunt 2 years ago

    Do us a favor and retire!

    • liberalconservative 2 years ago

      Will not happen Arod loves money and his ego is so big. Even he believes he didn’t take steroids. He learned that from Constanza.

      • rct 2 years ago

        Show me a person on earth who would leave $60+MM on the table. ‘Arod loves money and his ego is so big’? I suppose you think Jeter plays simply for the love of the game, and that his awful contract negotiation tactics and steadfast refusal to move from SS when they acquired A-Rod were because he’s such a humble guy?

      • Charlie Burns 2 years ago

        Actually, as much as I hate to defend A-Rod, he makes more money doing anything but baseball with his other businesses. You were right that it is his ego that is leading to him not just accepting it.

  7. Karkat 2 years ago

    Well, it saves the Yankees more money than I want them to save, but it at least loses A-rod a whole season. Shame they can’t tack on a clause disqualifying him from postseason play next year.

    • MB923 2 years ago

      Yea if somehow the Yankees make the postseason , I wonder if he would be eligible. I would assume yes.

      • Karkat 2 years ago

        He should be, in the same sense that Peralta and Cruz were eligible for the Tigers and Rangers. I wonder how his salary (and what amount comes off/stays on the books) is affected based on whether or not the Yankees make the playoffs?

        EDIT: Although I’m recalling the “must be on the roster on September 1″ rule, but I think he could still be an injury replacement? There was some way Peralta managed to get around that.

        • MB923 2 years ago

          I read they are still hit with $3 million towards the payroll because a full season is actually based on days which is about 180. Not games which is 162

          • Karkat 2 years ago

            Man, I want to make $3million while not being permitted to work.

        • LazerTown 2 years ago

          But after missing an entire year would the Yankees really want him on the postseason roster? It takes time to get into a rhythm.

    • Greg Paavola 2 years ago

      The article says “the entire 2014 season including the postseason”…sounds to me like they included the clause.

      • Karkat 2 years ago

        That text wasn’t there when I made the initial comment. Good to know, though.

    • Greg Paavola 2 years ago

      The article says “the entire 2014 season including the postseason”…sounds to me like they included the clause.

  8. monster55 2 years ago

    Should have reduced it to 100 games so we can put this all behind us. 162 games is begging A-Rod to take it to federal court.

    • yclept 2 years ago

      It isn’t the arbitrator’s duty to avoid federal court. It is his duty to hand down the suspension he sees as fair.

    • metsfanman 2 years ago

      I’m confident 100 games would not have deterred him from going to federal court, If it were 50 games, he might have left well enough alone. Also agree with what yclept said.

    • jp1198 2 years ago

      Doesn’t matter, this will not be overturned. Good explanation here:

      link to fangraphs.com

  9. RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

    A couple questions someone could maybe help me with:

    1) Does this federal court injunction stuff prevent A Rod’s salary from coming off the books despite Horowitz’s decision?

    2) If A Rods salary stays on the books and he loses in federal court are the Yanks reimbursed for Luxury Tax purposes?

    Thanks in advance!

    • Tony 2 years ago

      $3,155,737.70 stays on the books since it is 162 games not a full season of 183 days.

      • Sportsbozo1 2 years ago

        The entire 27mil stays on the books until the case is heard in a federal court regardless of what Horowitz and Steinbrenner want.

        • Tony 2 years ago

          Not true, until ARod appeals to a federal court and a judge holds up the suspension, to wait for a trial. The judge might say you are still suspended unless he wins the appeal.

          As of right now ARod is suspended.

    • Sportsbozo1 2 years ago

      1) Yes he remains an employee until the case is heard and the salary stays the same.
      2) No because they had to pay the salary of an active ballplayer.

      • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

        Oh man, good info. I appreciate it.

        I’m not sure how long this will drag out in federal court, but it doesn’t seem the suspension creates as much payroll flexibility as is being reported.

        Thanks again!

  10. Adam Brunelle 2 years ago

    This is the best news I’ve heard in weeks.

  11. Adam Brunelle 2 years ago

    This is the best news I’ve heard in weeks.

  12. igoinsane67 2 years ago

    Love him or hate him, MLB has a set amount of games suspended and should maintain that with everyone.

    • LazerTown 2 years ago

      I agree. This will go to court, you give Braun 65 games, but 211 for Arod?

      • Mariners84 2 years ago

        He tried to buy evidence and hide his cheating, he deserves an extended suspension…

        • Phillyfan425 2 years ago

          Meanwhile, all Braun did was make a mockery of the system and get a man fired…which got him an extra 15 game slap on the wrist (on a bad team going nowhere last year, with his contract extension not kicked in yet). There’s a reason they set up the rules – so that players wouldn’t be treated differently under similar circumstances.

          • Mariners84 2 years ago

            Not condoning Braun, anyone who tampers with anything should receive more severe penalties…

        • goorru 2 years ago

          Melky made a fake website to try to cover up evidence. Only receives 50 games.

        • chris hines 2 years ago

          You mean the same evidence MLB had already purchased and had stolen?

  13. indybucfan 2 years ago

    This seems awfully steep compared to the other penalties.

    • Mariners84 2 years ago

      His offence was more egregious as he tampered with the investigation, his name has also shown up before on steroid sheets at BALCO.

      So caught with evidence and tried to hinder the case and further smear baseball i think 162 is reasonable.

      • chris hines 2 years ago

        He was not on the BALCO list he was on the annonymous baseball test list along with David Ortiz, who for some reason has saint hood in MLB.

    • ima_robot_beepbeepbeep 2 years ago

      The Yankees have a lot of influence in the Commissioners office.

  14. J-man 2 years ago

    Exactly where in the JDA allows for the suspension of a player for an entire year for a player that has not failed a drug test? This was nothing more than a witch hunt.

    • Pennsy 2 years ago

      I believe it’s either the “Yankees Really Need the Money” or “MLB Wants to Keep Salary Standards Low” clause.

      • docmilo5 2 years ago

        Yes, the greater than one year suspension is all about getting the Favorite Team money to spend. I hope A-Rod wins. MLB is far from innocent in this matter. MLB made way too much money on A-Rod while they looked the other way. I hope this leaves a big ugly mark on Selig’s career. He’s the guiltiest of them all.

        • hediouspb 2 years ago

          the 211 games was for the rest of 13 and all of the 14 season. the steroid era is an ugly mark on selig’s career but ignoring it and letting in continue would be worse.

          • docmilo5 2 years ago

            LOL. He did ignore it. He rode on it’s coat tails while McGuire and Sosa brang back the fans lost from the strike of 1994.

    • Karkat 2 years ago

      Most of the original suspension was technically for attempting to impede the investigation, as I recall.

      • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

        Then MLB would have to suspend themselves as they also tried to illegally purchase evidence. There was a great 6 page piece on how Biogenesis started to unfold all because Bosch owed an employee four grand and he wanted revenge. Long story short, both sides were shady in extracting documents from said employee.

        • hediouspb 2 years ago

          if mlb were the police or da’s trying to build a legal case to send a-rod to jail purchasing the information would be illegal. they are a private organization gathering information about their workers. not the same thing.

          • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

            Real question, not rhetorical; So why is A-Rod’s attempt to purchase the very same documents considered an impediment of the investigation? Shouldn’t A-Rod have equal rights?

          • hediouspb 2 years ago

            Seriously? How is a-rod attempting to supress the info to avoid punishment not impeding an investigation? MLB was gathering information about players engaged in ilegal activities. A-rod was trying to hide his lawbreaking activities.

          • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

            But it’s a private investigation you said. Why is MLB, a private entity, allowed free reign in their non criminal investigation?
            You could be 100% correct, but it seems A-Rod has every right to purchase documents from a private party whether or not said documents may be of interest to MLB.

          • hediouspb 2 years ago

            and they have every right to suspend him for doing so. they are only stopping him from working for their organization. the players and mlb have agreements in place and he violated them. he is suspended. i would be very surprised if the courts inserted themselves into a collectively bargained issue.

    • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

      50 games for a first offense on the same grounds for which the rest of the Biogenesis crew was suspended and without positive tests for most of them.

      Anything beyond that was a Selig smoke screen, which backfired. Fortunately for him, he fired the last arbitrator so Horowitz probably wasn’t willing to throw Selig under the bus with an appropriate punishment.

      • LazerTown 2 years ago

        But the MLBPA can fire the arbitrator too.

        • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

          Has the MLBPA stood up for A-Rod at any point during this sideshow? I’m pretty sure Horowitz knew which side to lean.

          • LazerTown 2 years ago

            They should. Even if Arod is a clown, it sets a bad precedent to allow Selig to take away contracts like this.

    • Harrison 2 years ago

      No, it wasn’t a witch hunt- it was a late Christmas present from MLB to the Yankees.
      To Yankees-
      “Gift Card Good For One Masahiro Tanaka and/or Matt Garza”
      -Love, MLB

    • hediouspb 2 years ago

      how can you still call it a witch hunt when an independent arbitrator agreed to the full season suspension?

      • goorru 2 years ago

        Independent? LOL Yeah sure he was.

        • hediouspb 2 years ago

          A-rod and MLB agreed on the individual and also agreed that the arbitration would be binding.

  15. EarlyMorningBoxscore 2 years ago

    Really just wish he’d take the suspension and leave it be. Now it will go to federal court, and drag on even longer.

    • LazerTown 2 years ago

      Why should he?

      His suspension is way longer than what the agreements say, and what the precedent was that other players got.

      • EarlyMorningBoxscore 2 years ago

        He also impeded an investigation which got him more games.

      • hediouspb 2 years ago

        to braun and a-rod: come in and talk to us and we’ll suspend you for the rest of the year. fight us and you will be out for this year and next.

        from braun: ok
        from a-rod: you can’t tell me what to do.

  16. Tigers72 2 years ago

    What is there salary at now ?

  17. MB923 2 years ago

    Now we are going to hear non Yankee fans complain about them saving money. If the league is going to make things fair all around as far as $ and payroll goes when it comes to suspensions, then the Yankees shouldn’t pay a dime if the Brewers , Tigers and Dodgers didn’t pay for Braun , Peralta and Manny respectively. Whether it’s for a player making $2 million or $25 million.

    • Pennsy 2 years ago

      The Yankees, Brewers, Tigers and all others ought to be held liable for salary forfeited on account of PED suspensions. The money ought to continue to count against the Luxury Tax and the money itself ought to go into the MLB Player Relief fund or whatever it is they use as their players’ slush fund. It’s despicable that teams want to act as if they’re the victims of PED use after MLB owners and management turned a blind eye to PED use for so long.

      • MB923 2 years ago

        I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all. But the same rule should apply throughout the league for all teams, and it does.

      • LazerTown 2 years ago

        They shouldn’t.
        It is the players choice to use the drugs, if you are suspending the player without pay then the team shouldn’t have to pay. They aren’t getting the production.

      • bjsguess 2 years ago

        I really like half your statement. The other half – not so much.

        1. Money that was allocated to players should count against the luxury cap. This will incent teams to look for good guys and promote a clean atmosphere.

        2. If a player is suspended, the team retains the money and can allocate it somewhere else.

        This would still penalize a team (at least big spenders) for their presumed benefit of having a player cheat. However, it would not cripple a team due to actions taken by the player and completely out of the control of the team.

        Here, the Yankees would save $27M (or whatever the number is) but A-Rod would still count against the luxury tax.

    • Karkat 2 years ago

      I’m of the opinion that teams should be encouraged to self-police by not getting a payroll break from suspended players. As it is, the system facilitates teams signing players they know are using to huge contracts, protecting them while it’s convenient, and then throwing them under the bus. Game won’t get any cleaner until a player suspension would be just as much a burden to the team.

      • LazerTown 2 years ago

        But you don’t always know who is using. My work requires a drug free, if they fired me they should be able to go out and hire someone to replace me. If you make teams responsible for still paying the player then they have no reason to not work to cover it up as hard as they can.

        • Karkat 2 years ago

          So you make teams take the initiative to test and ensure that they’re drug free. Also, analogies to real world jobs are never really valid here.

          • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

            I agree comparing 25-100K jobs is a far cry from 8 figure salaries, but I know steroids involve cycling on and off and there’s ways to time your blood levels of free range testosterone.
            I’m with you on cleaning up the game, but if MLB didn’t catch all these guys with testing throughout the season, what makes you think the individual teams have greater testing abilities?

          • chris hines 2 years ago

            Why should teams do the job of the league for them? At the end of the day MLB is the figure in charge and teams and players are simply living by their rules and regulations.

          • LazerTown 2 years ago

            Then free agency would become so much more complicated. You think the known loss of draft picks is big, What about the speculation of who is using.

      • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

        That would be terribly unfair. I hope you see the flawed logic there. Teams are already penalized by losing the players on field performance and long term marketability.
        Who are the Yanks going to replace A-Rod with; Reynolds, Young, Nunez, Johnson?
        A cheater on a rookie contract or a perennial AS is still a cheater.

        • Pennsy 2 years ago

          The Yankees have been hoping for A-Rod to be suspended so that they would have money to spend elsewhere. It’s been the whole drama behind whether or not the Yankees could afford to land Tanaka.

          How is that penalizing the team by taking the player off the field? Taking A-Rod off the field is exactly what they wanted to do.

          • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

            Your not addressing the issue as a whole. A-Rod’s saga is circus theater and Tanaka was always in the cards but is far from a guarantee to land with the Yanks.
            The Yankees have to replace A Rod 2-3 WAR with a replacement level player, so if Tanaka nets 3-4 WAR, I don’t see the huge net gain.

        • Tony 2 years ago

          The team should have to donate the money to charity.

    • berad373 2 years ago

      Can’t speak for the rest of the teams, but as a Brewers fan the Brewers payed Braun up to and immediately after his suspension. According to this report, the season is 183 days and so apparently the Yankees have to pay him for those 21 days.

  18. MB923 2 years ago

    Now we are going to hear non Yankee fans complain about them saving money. If the league is going to make things fair all around as far as $ and payroll goes when it comes to suspensions, then the Yankees shouldn’t pay a dime if the Brewers , Tigers and Dodgers didn’t pay for Braun , Peralta and Manny respectively. Whether it’s for a player making $2 million or $25 million.

  19. Seamaholic 2 years ago

    Overreaction kinda? Sheesh. It’s a game.

  20. EarlyMorningBoxscore 2 years ago

    Well, Shots are what got him into trouble in the first place so I doubt he should have more of those.

  21. TBJ12 2 years ago

    I’d like to hear how they came up with 162 games.

  22. Harrison 2 years ago

    Yankees can’t sign all of the top-tier free agents AND stay under the luxury tax threshold? MLB to the rescue!

    • Billy Andrews 2 years ago

      You are 100% right on the money there.

      • Adam Brunelle 2 years ago

        So that’s why MLB has revenue sharing, tv contract money sharing, a reduced posting fee, draft order based on how bad your team is, a luxury tax, and is considering an international draft, too, right? To help the Yankees?

        • Pennsy 2 years ago

          No, that’s why they don’t have a Salary Cap like the other three major US sports leagues. To help the Big Six, the 1/5 of the league that plays in either LA, Chicago or NYC.

          • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

            Even if a salary cap was intact, the major stars would still go to NY,LA,Boston and Chicago. Its all about off the field press as well and those are the big 4 you can get

          • Pennsy 2 years ago

            Just as how the Giants and Jets land every big FA in the NFL, right? Yes the big markets would still have a natural advantage but the playing field would be leveled off by a degree if teams could only spend within a certain window.

          • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

            There is almost never any big FA signing in the NFL, because when you are good, the team will lock you up forever. The playing field right now is fine, look at the Rays…Royals…Pirates plenty of young teams have shined in recent years

          • Pennsy 2 years ago

            Low-budget teams don’t win the World Series. The Pirates and Orioles have made the playoffs once, apiece, in the last twenty years. The Royals looked like they might make the Wild Card until the last few weeks for the season. This is what constitutes “shining” now?

            For a Yankees fan your standard for success is supremely odd.

          • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

            Well maybe the Royals was a bit over the top, but they have improved. The Rays were in the WS in 08. But,

            the reality is that MLB is never going to have a salary cap because the
            MLBPA, unlike, say, the NFLPA, is an actual functioning union and not a
            curtseying valet to ownership. Second, the current run of unprecedented
            labor peace in MLB is largely because of the fact that owners have
            finally realized they’re never going to get the hard cap they once
            pursued with a self-immolating sense of mission.

          • Pennsy 2 years ago

            Eventually the MLBPA and MLB are going to have to realize they’re leaving a lot more money on the table without a salary cap than with. With increased competitiveness league popularity would improve. With it you would see not only more money for salaries but more endorsement opportunities for players, as well.

            And as I said above, a salary cap doesn’t necessarily need to be structured to reduce player compensation- the league can come up with other avenues of compensating players aside from paying salaries. Maybe this would mean the best players get a little less and the worse players get a little more- But if you asked me, that’s the change they ought to be making anyhow.

          • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

            It will most likely never happen, if it does its gonna be a long time. The only thing hard salary caps do with any certainty is increase the
            profits of ownership by tamping down labor costs, which — spoiler alert
            — is precisely why owners agitate for those caps. It has nothing to do
            with improving competitive balance in large part because caps don’t,
            you know, improve competitive balance

          • rct 2 years ago

            Not that it changes the argument much, but the Orioles have made the playoffs three times, not once, in the last 20 years. 1996, 1997, 2012.

          • Pennsy 2 years ago

            My mistake. Pirates fan here.

          • rct 2 years ago

            No biggie. The Orioles have been pretty atrocious in the other 17 years, so your point stands.

          • NickinIthaca 2 years ago

            They don’t have a cap because the MLBPA would never agree to it, and that happens to be one of the strongest unions in the country. It has nothing to do with helping out big market teams – it has to do with ensuring that players are able to get their fair cut of the profits earned from the people who go to watch THEM play the games.

          • Pennsy 2 years ago

            You could just as easily structure a deal that gave each team an equal pot to spend from while also diverting some of the broadcast money to a fund to be distributed to all players based on playing time. Players would still earn just as much (with the ceilings and floors coming closer together) but in terms of roster construction teams wouldn’t have an unfair spending advantage. It’s not about paying the players less, it’s about not allowing a team an advantage in roster construction.

          • Phillyfan425 2 years ago

            Also, having a salary cap would inevitably lead to having a salary floor. I think you’d have a much easier time getting the Yankees or Dodgers to spend $30 M less than you would having the Marlins, Pirates, Rays spending another $20+ M a year.

          • Pennsy 2 years ago

            I am perfectly in support of a salary floor for the Pirates. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, as they say.

          • bjsguess 2 years ago

            Needs to be a cap and floor. You don’t want to penalize players – you simply want to distribute the concentration of top tier FA’s.

      • Harrison 2 years ago

        We can’t have them missing the playoffs two years in a row, now can we?

      • Harrison 2 years ago

        We can’t have them missing the playoffs two years in a row, now can we?

    • Billy Andrews 2 years ago

      You are 100% right on the money there.

  23. This is sad. Arod will still make more money in 2014 than 95% of the Mets.

  24. Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

    That’s going too far. He wasn’t the only one who cheated and overall it’s just a game. Don’t ever wish death upon somebody. Ever.

  25. Jose Batista 2 years ago

    I think Tanaka is going to the Dodgers.

    • burnboll 2 years ago

      Not the Red Sox then? Didn’t you just say that Red Sox aren’t going to be outbid?

  26. Jose Batista 2 years ago

    I think Tanaka is going to the Dodgers.

  27. Jose Batista 2 years ago

    When you look at it all of the big time Japaneses or Korean picthers have gone to the Dodgers first. Hence Hedio Nomo, Kuroda, Chan Ho Park. Kazo Ishii.

    • Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

      Really? When did Ichiro Suzuki (who is clearly the BIGGEST superstar to come from japan) play for the dodgers? or Hideki matsui or Darvish?

      • Jose Batista 2 years ago

        I said pitcher.

        • Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

          None of those you mentioned were big time stars anyway. Other than Nomo and arguably Kuroda. By coming to a post about Arod and talking about this is just your way of telling yourself that the Yankees don’t have a shot of getting tanaka. Which is fine if it helps you sleep better at night.

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            They do have a shot i clearly never said oh the Yanks don’t have no shot. I am just saying the Dodgers owners you know Magic Johnson and comp.. aren’t going to be outbid either. It’s going to come down to bright and sunny LA, or 5th ave restaurants expensive taxes Alpine NJ, Houses. What would you choose.

          • Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

            Since I live New York…. I’m guessing id choose New York?

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            I live in NY to born and raised and if i am him am choosing between the Yanks, Dodgers and Red Socks remember the Red socks are in this to and they just won a ring. I’d choose LA better weather, west coast not to far from Japan.

          • Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

            A couple hours longer on a plane ride isn’t going to be a deciding factor if the sox or yanks offer more money.

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            The Dodgers have the same amount of money as the Yanks, and Red socks do. My point is he isn’t a shoe in for the Yanks. There are other teams in the mix.

          • Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

            No one said he was a shoe in. The yankees just have more money to spend on Free agents than they did before with Arod being suspended.

          • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

            Especially considering during the season’s strenuous schedule, how often will Tanaka be able fly back to Japan?

            The difference between a 15 hour flight or a 9 hour trip two or three times in-season doesn’t sound like a huge factor. I mean this isn’t East Coast vs West Coast preference, this is a Eastern vs Western Hemisphere deal.

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            Oh really were is Tanaka staying right now.

          • Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

            Is it baseball season? no.

          • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

            Not the point your making I know, but… Magic is just a figurehead with a small percentage interest in the team. He’s put at the podium due to his clout in the area. But the man knows nothing about and more than likely has zero say in baseball operations.

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            He still brings in players.

      • Jose Batista 2 years ago

        Other than Darvish and Dice K

    • Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

      Really? When did Ichiro Suzuki (who is clearly the BIGGEST superstar to come from japan) play for the dodgers? or Hideki matsui or Darvish?

    • Harrison 2 years ago

      Daisuke Matsuzaka, Yu Darvish, Kei Igawa, Wei-Yin Chen, etc.

      • Jose Batista 2 years ago

        Am talking about big time pitchers. Wei Tin Chen wasn’t on the same level as Nomo, or Park. I also think Tanaka would fit in the NL

        • LazerTown 2 years ago

          Daisuke and Darvish were both very highly rated pitchers.

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            I am talking about the ones that he mentioned. Ok so Kei Igawa is highly rated, Wei Yin Chen is highly rated wow.

        • Harrison 2 years ago

          Chen was a pretty big star over there. And Darvish and Dice-K certainly were huge deals when they came over to the States.

        • burnboll 2 years ago

          Dice-K is still the second biggest signing from Japan. Total cost for the Red Sox was around 100 mil.

    • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

      …So? that automatically means Tanaka is going to LA?

      • Jose Batista 2 years ago

        No i just think the Dodgers have more money and it would be more safe for him because the Nl is easier to pitch in then the AL is. The Dodgers have the same amount of money that the Yanks do and it’s a bit better because hes in a big market, also there is more of an Asian population in LA then there is in NYC.

        • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

          So you think they have more money than you say they have the same. NY and LA are about the same market wise, and Ichiro and Kuroda are Yankees. Ichiro, probably the best Japanese player ever would be a huge attraction for Tanaka

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            Remember the Yanks were on Kuroda from the start. He choose the Dodgers over the Yankees and it took a lot of convincing to bring him here. The Yanks, tried 4 years straight to get him here and he said no am staying in LA.

          • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

            But now he is in pinstripes, i dont get your point

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            My point is were did he started. He choose LA why because it’s Cali.

          • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

            But that still doesnt mean Tanaka will do the same.

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            In all honesty were would you go.

          • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

            I live in NY, so i would go to the Yankees..they are my favorite team..again..i live in NY..all of my immediate family lives in New York (Brother lives in brooklyn and Sister in Buffalo) So its just common sense for me

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            So that is your decision. I live in Ny my family lives in Queens and Brooklyn. But i know if i had that amount of money i would go to Cali play with the Dodgers, or Dbacks, or Mariners live in San Diego and on the west coast.

          • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

            Im willing to bet the Yankees offer more now

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            It’s not about money hence Cliff Lee the game is more healthier teams can offer not as much but they can offer close to it. I mean why not even the Mariners or the Dbacks the Mariners are going to have a sick rotation without him could you imagine with him. The D backs have great young talent and they need an ace and Kevin Towers is a smart gm.

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            This is Cliff Lee all over again.

          • GetTheRunnerOver 2 years ago

            I guess we will see, his 3 choices are NY, Boston and LA. Rule out Boston though, they arent interested and probably couldnt afford him

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            Yankz fan remember Cliff Lee man. The Yanks really wanted him they went up 6 years for him. Then the dark horse came along and bam he went to Phill. He can play with the D backs, or Mariners and still live in LA.

          • Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

            Boston actually has a lot of money. They were under the luxury tax limit last year unlike the Dodgers and Yanks and could afford to go over this year. I don’t think they will get him simply because they aren’t desperate and have gotten rid of all their long term deals. But I won’t count them out.

          • burnboll 2 years ago

            Good man. I agree completely.

            They have the money to spend on shorter deals with higher annual value with good, not great, veterans that aren’t attached to a draft pick.

            The only weakness with the Red Sox, arguably, is that their DH is DH only! and don’t play the field part time.

            But then again, what a DH they have!

          • ultimate913 2 years ago

            That’s the thing. None of us know what Tanaka is looking for. We don’t know if it’s highest bidder, contention, etc. Not you, not I, not anyone other than Tanaka, his family, his agent and maybe a few team reps who he has spoken to know what he wants.

            All we have heard are that the 3 preferred cities are LA, NY and BOS. Please stop saying it’s more “safe” for him to go anywhere. Just because there has been past success there with completely separate people in an area, doesn’t mean it’ll always work out.

          • Jose Batista 2 years ago

            True i mean he could still live in a big market but play for a team like the D backs, or M’s and make money.

        • burnboll 2 years ago

          I too think the Dodgers have the money.

          But what does that have to do with Japanese pitchers previously going to the Dodgers?

          I don’t see the correlation frankly.

  28. Jose Batista 2 years ago

    The Dodgers have the same amount of money to spend on Tanaka as do the Yanks, and the dodgers need a back up plan if Clayton, doesn’t re up.

  29. Tommets 2 years ago

    Even though they don’t have to pay A-Rod, I still think his money should be incorporated into the payroll, luxury tax etc.

    • NickinIthaca 2 years ago

      Although that would make sense, that’s not how things work. So the Yankees get a mulligan on this year.

    • Harrison 2 years ago

      Of course it should. But then they couldn’t sign Tanaka and Garza and still stay under the threshold.

      • Tommets 2 years ago

        That’s exactly the point. The team would also get penalized. That will be the only way players will stop with PEDs is if their team gets hurt by it, too.

    • Eric Droegemeier 2 years ago

      Too bad it’s not 161 games. Then they’d have to pay him 28 mil for one game.

    • livestrong77nyyankz 2 years ago

      Of course you do

  30. Lefty_Orioles_Fan
    Lefty_Orioles_Fan 2 years ago

    I like it!
    A-Rod’s statement about this is disingenuous at best because he didn’t write it!
    It should be interesting what the Player’s Association will do.

  31. Dbacksfan44 2 years ago

    I wanted him to be suspended for way longer

  32. Guest 2 years ago

    Great win for MLB and the fight against PEDs.

  33. homer
    psabella 2 years ago

    Regarding comparing 162 games to 183 days how do you do that? I do not see a common denominator between games and days. For the sake of argument the first 2014 mlb games is march 22 and the last is September 28 which exceeds 183 days.

  34. Runtime 2 years ago

    Man. Either outcome would have been fantastic.

    Either:
    A) No A-Rod this year
    or
    B) Yankees have to pay luxury tax

  35. Robb Birdman 2 years ago

    was it really reduced?he was banned 211 games last year, supposedly covering 2013 and 2014. They never wanted to touch 2015. The only thing this did was allow him to finish the season.

  36. Michael 2 years ago

    Assuming A-Rod doesn’t play in 2014, he “comes back” at 39 years and 8 months with a one year layoff? Ouch.

  37. burnboll 2 years ago

    I think ARod would be smart to stay out of federal court. If he goes there all of his testomonies to Grand juries are available to the MLB.

  38. WillGio 2 years ago

    I believe he only tested positive once? He admitted he did in early 2000s, but he only tested positive once. I dont like ARod one bit, but it shouldn’t be over 100 games. You have to be fair to everyone, even if they have allegedly been involved a lot.

    • Tommets 2 years ago

      Read into the story a little more.

    • BitLocker 2 years ago

      A-Rod has been cheating for years. The MLB drug testing is weak, and just because A-Rod was able to beat the system, A-Rod does not have the right of only getting 50/100 games.

      • Todd Smith 2 years ago

        Braun has been cheating for years. The MLB drug testing is weak, and just because Braun was able to beat the system, Braun does have the right to a reduced suspension, because he can still be valuable and his team doesn’t mind paying his salary.

        What MLB is doing here is far worse than any cheating a player has done.

        • BitLocker 2 years ago

          The book only listed substances in the year that Braun got caught. A-rod had years listed. Furthermore, the case was decided by an independent arbitrator. In other words, someone who is not on the side of MLB or A-Rod.

          • Todd Smith 2 years ago

            If the arbitrator ruled in favor of A-Rod, he would have lost his job, the same way the arbitrator for Braun did. How independent do you really think that is?

  39. cscd1111 2 years ago

    Can the Yankees return the 2009 WSC that A-Rod helped them win. No need to reply and that was not a question, its just aggravating beyond reason that the Yankees will probable come out this this A-Rod situation with enough cash relief to obtain Masahiro Tanaka.

    • Lefty_Orioles_Fan
      Lefty_Orioles_Fan 2 years ago

      Ha, I will argue that it was Hideki Matsui who was the man in that series!
      Also, if the Phillies had started Happ instead of Pedro Martinez, the Phillies would have won… maybe. So who really knows.

      • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

        And reports are Matsui talked Kuroda into pitching again this year if his body felt good. Godzilla, a Yankee legend of my generation!

      • cscd1111 2 years ago

        A-Rod in Game 3 HR, woke the Yankees from a 3-0 deficit against Cole Hamels. He led the Yankees in the postseason with a .365 average, six homers, 18 RBIs, 15 runs and 12 walks?

    • hardcoreforhardcore 2 years ago

      So how many World Series rings will other teams have to return due to steroids?

    • chris hines 2 years ago

      Can the Red Sox return both of their rings and re-instate the curse then? Or does it not count when Man-Ram and Ortiz help someone win?

  40. Quikmix 2 years ago

    I think this was to be expected considering how things had gone up to this point. Probably a good thing overall. what a distraction this guy has been to the sport.

  41. John Lazzaro 2 years ago

    As stated already he agreed to the CBA and now he’s not happy with this the entire thing just because it didn’t go his way. He wanted this appeal and there’s no way around that fact. He went through the process it took a couple months and he just hates the result and the fact that the arbitrators agreed with MLB enough already he should have taken the suspension and shut up he won’t lose future salaries after the 2014 season

  42. JJ 2 years ago

    Nice now sign Mark Reynolds, Tanaka, Garza, and grant Balfour

    • chris hines 2 years ago

      Why does everyone think Reynolds is still good? He can’t even hit LHP for power anymore, they shoukd sgn Jeff Baker. He can actually mash LHP and plays more positions.

      • JJ 2 years ago

        He did fine for us when the the NYY sign him.

        • chris hines 2 years ago

          He did league average (105 wRC+) but in only 120 PA, that’s the definition of small sample sizes. At the end of the day you are still signing a guy to bat against LHP who hit .225/.319/.406 against LHP in 2013, which is awful for a platoon only player who can’t defend at first or third. Baker on the other hand hit .314/.407/.667 with 10 HRs against LHP, one is clearly superior.

          • MB923 2 years ago

            Last year, Yankee 3B had a 69 wRC+ which was the Worst In Baseball. Will gladly take 69 to 105.

      • Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

        I didn’t even know baker was an option tbh.

        • chris hines 2 years ago

          He hasn’t been linked to the Yankees nearly as much since his name is less sexy but considering both are no more than platoon players with bad D he’s the vastly superior option.

  43. George Vander Buist 2 years ago

    so is he allowed to keep playing as long as he keeps appealing to different courts and different jurisdictions?

    • Mike1L 2 years ago

      I don’t think so. He needs to get a temporary injunction from a Federal judge to stop the suspension if he’s going to play. That’s a possibility, but by no means a certainty

  44. MadmanTX 2 years ago

    I really hope A-Rod wins his appeal in federal court.

    • NoAZPhilsPhan 2 years ago

      I doubt a federal judge will even agree to hear it. A legally binding decision by an independent arbitrator is rarely even heard let alone overturned unless there is mounds of evidence of gross misconduct.

      • jwsox 2 years ago

        He might actually have a case though. Braun failed two tests. Only lost what 100 games. Melky failed a test and attempted to cover it up and only lost 50 games. Yet Alex has no failed tests and still loses a full season. I’m by no means a arod supporter. I’m just surprised

        • NoAZPhilsPhan 2 years ago

          A federal judge can only review the actions of the arbitrator and not the evidence in that case or any other. A judge can only get involved if there is clear evidence that the IA acted egregiously, inconsistently, was coerced, bribed or otherwise influenced. A-Rod’s action were far more egregious that any other player so far. Even if a judge that is looking for some free publicity should take the case you can bet his/her decision will be overturned faster then you can say HGH.

  45. goorru 2 years ago

    If anyone thinks this is an independent Arbitrator you’re out of your mind. He was hired and would have been fired if he severely reduced the penalty.

    • NoAZPhilsPhan 2 years ago

      an arbitrator is hired by BOTH the MLB and MLBPA and can be fired by either at anytime (except during proceedings) for any reason. He is not an employee of MLB solely he is paid per case by both.

      • Wek 2 years ago

        Are arbitrators hired only just once or are they the go to guy for every arbitration?

        • NoAZPhilsPhan 2 years ago

          They can be hired repeatedly for as long as both parties want them. There is a National Board of Arbitrators (I may have the name of it wrong) that the two parties select from with both sides having the right to “veto’ until a suitable person is selected.

  46. Harrison 2 years ago

    To Yankees-
    “Gift Card Good For One Masahiro Tanaka and/or Matt Garza”
    -Love, MLB

    • MB923 2 years ago

      Someone’s bitter

      • Harrison 2 years ago

        Nope. Just realistic. The Yanks as currently constructed aren’t a playoff team unless they add at least 1 or possibly 2 more legitimate SPs, and it would be bad for business if they missed the playoffs two years in a row so MLB stepped in to protect their financial interests.
        From a strictly utilitarian perspective, it makes sense…
        But as a fan, it’s a joke.

        • MB923 2 years ago

          Realistic? Do you have some kind of source other than aLame Excuse of how the league loves the Yankees? If the league loves the Yankees, they wouldn’t hit them with a (Deserving) luxury tax hit year after year.

          Of course they currently are not constructed as a playoff team. I’m not sure why you even bought that up. Pitchers and catchers haven’t even reported yet.

          Maybe you should worry more about your O’s than a rival team.

          • Harrison 2 years ago

            Of course I’m just speculating.
            But it’s based on the evidence that’s available to us, which certainly casts a bit of a pallor over the league’s motivations. Melky had an actual positive test and he also deceived investigators with his fake website nonsense. What did he get? Fiddy games, the same punishment that A-Roid should’ve received.

  47. MaineBaseball 2 years ago

    There are people who think this isn’t good for the Yankees but…are 20-25 HR really worth $28 million plus luxury taxes (assuming they also sign Tanaka)?

    EDIT: Plus he’s due another $6 million for getting to 660 career HR.

    • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

      When your admittedly still enormous profits drop by 50 million due to falling attendance (without counting concessions) in a season where fans could see the no playoffs writing on the wall all year long. Then yes, 3 WAR player instead of Nunez or whatever retread the Yanks sign is worth the 32-35 million A Rod would cost in total.

      • MaineBaseball 2 years ago

        The addition of Ellsbury, McCann, Beltran, and potentially Tanaka should be enough to draw people into the ballpark. I doubt that will be the Yankees’ biggest issue.

        • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

          And the loss of Cano, Pettitte, Rivera hurts the team quite a bit. I’m not saying A-Rod brings fans to stadium, I’m saying wins and playoff appearances do. A-Rod helps facilitate that with an additional 2-3 WAR over Nunez, Reynolds, Young, whoever they will replace him with.

          • MaineBaseball 2 years ago

            Is 3 WAR really worth $28 million+++?

          • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

            Let me say as it stands today, I obviously would not give A-Rod a 28 Mil salary with HR bonuses as the cherry. But in truth, the Yankees were around a 75-79 win team last season.

            The Yankees business model is ultimately based on performance and playoff appearances. You’re not going to maintain a fan base that massive (band wagon or not, the more people spending money, the better) without producing results.

            So, is 3 WAR really worth it? Well that depends on how next season unfolds. If the difference is A-Rod helping an 79-83 club end up as an 82-80 team, than of course, absolutely not.

            Conversely and without having the means to calculate exact playoff revenue and consequential secondary profits (more merchandise sales, increase in season tickets for 15′, FA good will, etc), a three game swing which leads to a playoff berth (e.g. 92-60 opposed to 89-63) is of great value to the Yankees and their way of business.

    • RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

      Matt, let me put it this way. The Yankees reinvest a below average percentage of their revenue back into their team. I believe it was 43% (220+ payroll vs 570 revenue), less than the recommended 50%.

      It costs my wife and I roughly 300 dollars for two tickets, parking and concessions. I am more than happy to see A Rods contract (albeit an outrageous one) honored and in turn see him on the field performing above replacement level.

  48. Vis a vis Joel Sherman…how does 162 games not equal the entirety of the season?

    • Apple Valley 2 years ago

      it does for playtime but the players union was able to get a season to be more than 162 games (not incl postseason) per contracts. So you can be suspended for whole season and still get paid

      • The suspension does include the postseason, because on August 31, A-Rod will be on the restricted list, being automatically ineligible for the postseason as a result.

  49. Ley_Z 2 years ago

    So what are the possibilities going forward now that he begins his appeal?

    • This was the appeal. The original suspension would have cut into 2015 as well.

      • Ley_Z 2 years ago

        I’m pretty sure he is going to try to appeal this ruling to federal court, though.

      • rct 2 years ago

        No. The original suspension was for the end of 2013 and all of 2014.

        • The entirety of the suspension would have been tolled into 2015 as well (49 games).

          • rct 2 years ago

            No. The way it was originally set up was for the 49 games to be the remaining 49 games of 2013. The suspension was not supposed to touch 2015. Arod’s initial appeal meant that it would, but it originally was not supposed to have anything to do with 2015.

          • Jason 2 years ago

            There was nothing to do with years, it was planned to suspend him for the rest of 2013 and all of 2014, which was 211 games. However, if his appeal did nothing, and it was still 211 games, then there would’ve been a 49 game spillover into 2015.

          • rct 2 years ago

            Yes, but the key word is ‘originally’. It was originally meant to suspend him for the remainder of 2013 and the entirety of 2014, hence the awkward number of games (211).

  50. Sportsbozo1 2 years ago

    I hope Arod wins this was clearly a biased case. Braun a two time offender received a 65 game suspension, while I don’t necessarily want PED use in MLB or any sport, I do recognize the unfair labor practice used by MLB, on the one hand you have a two time loser getting nothing in regards too punishment while on the other hand they threw the book at a first time offender, sorry in our society that doesn’t equate to equal justice under the law…. Like I said it will be overturned in a Federal Court. Unless Lady justice just closes her eyes.

  51. dc21892 2 years ago

    I think its safe to say A Rod continues his battle against this suspension, but it’s really a waste of everyone’s time. Unfortunately, this is only the beginning. He will fight, fight and fight some more, even though he’s as dirty as they come in MLB.

  52. Apple Valley 2 years ago

    I don’t , he is too expensive for his actual value. The Yankees are actually close to opening up lots of money – especially around the year AROD comes off their team in a few years. They maybe old but they will have a lot of money to sign free agents if they don’t get bogged down now

  53. Mike1L 2 years ago

    “The deck has been stacked against me…” A-Rod as martyr? I have a hard time with that. This just goes on. He choose this path, and I don’t see him getting off of it. The lawsuit and the legal bills will continue, And we will all be forced to watch. A-Rod, with all due respect, you really didn’t need to do PEDS. You had your contract, you were going to the Hall of Fame eventually, why?

  54. ziggy13 2 years ago

    Player lied about using while he was reigning MVP: 60 something game suspension. Player lied about using PEDs after admitting to have used them in the past: reduced to full season + postseason. This is why I find myself liking baseball less and less each year

    • jwsox 2 years ago

      Player tests positive and tried to cover it up by having his cousin create a fake website and supplying company. Gets suspended for 50 games.

  55. jwsox 2 years ago

    I love how everyone automatically assumes now that arod is gone for the year, assuming a judge does not
    Overturn the suspension(I can’t see it happening). That the Yankees automatically are going to sign tanaka and then some. And everyone assumes tanaka will be a good pitcher. He has an equal chance to be a bust. He is more innings on his arm than any other 25 year old. He has been pitching full time professionally since he was 18. That’s a lot of innings. He has a shot to be an even worse contract than arods. Granted, I like everyone, want him on my team. But I don’t assume he will be a beast. And remember the Yankees are only saving money this year. They still owe Alex what like $70 million after this season.

    • Macfan01 2 years ago

      What it does is it puts the Yankees in an excellent position to sign Tanaka because they just knocked 24.3 million dollars against the luxury tax off their payroll. Couldn’t have asked for anything better.

  56. Mike1L 2 years ago

    There’s one big difference between Braun and A-Rod, which is that Braun bargained for his suspension. A-Rod sued and blasted everyone. Sometimes, it’s better to talk than fight.

    • stl_cards16 2 years ago

      If you completely ignore the Braun failed test mess, then sure. Braun threw anyone he could under the bus until he ran out of options just like A-Rod.

      • Mike1L 2 years ago

        I didn’t say Braun was a good guy. He’s not. I’m saying he made a logical decision based on what he knew the evidence (and his history) was. A-Rod made the choice to go to the mattresses.

  57. Jacob Baumann 2 years ago

    Hope he sues them successfully.

  58. jdsmith84 2 years ago

    His suspension is 162 games, not days.

  59. Jacob Viets 2 years ago

    Is it odd that even as a Yankee fan, I find myself rooting for A-Rod? What he says about the “corrupt investigative program from any variety defense by accused players, or any variety of objective review” makes sense to me. The number of games on these suspensions is completely random.

  60. BROC 2 years ago

    I stand with Alex Rodriguez….

  61. Macfan01 2 years ago

    LOL, thanks Horowitz, a lovely savings for the Yankees. Tanaka here it comes. :)

    • Rene2331 2 years ago

      Actually this is probably what the Yankees did not want. ARoid was going to take the less games suspension, now he’s going to appeal the ruling and who knows how long that may take.

      Yankees should be stuck with him since they pretty much outbid themselves to give him that contract. He had already folded and said he didn’t want to leave AND they already knew he was on the “juice”

  62. goorru 2 years ago

    Arod gets suspended for the season and now the Yankees can sign Tanaka.

    Truth and goodness prevail?

  63. Macfan01 2 years ago

    Tanaka for Rotation
    Jeff Baker to platoon at 3rd base vs Lefties
    Grant Balfour for bullpen

  64. Lazershow15 2 years ago

    Yankees are golden. Tanaka will go there. Kuroda Tanaka and C.C.

  65. HanRam2012 2 years ago

    Everyone says they want to rid the world of PEDs and such, but when it comes down to it, only when it helps their team. All the people complaining that the commissioners Office is helping the Yankees are just made because It’s the Yankees. The league must show that they’re not playing around and will give out harsh punishments if you try to get around the system as A-rod tried to do. 162 does seem like a bit too much but it’s just when you look at all the things Arods done to tarnish the leagues name.

    • NRD1138 2 years ago

      If what is said is true, which is not only did he do it but also tamper with the evidence then he deserves every BIT of that suspension. If he did this, do you really want this guy being a ‘role model’ for kids? Him and Ryan Braun, who should have got a heck of a lot more than what he got for his suspension as well. He resorted to character assassination even though he was guilty, even before the other evidence showed up a year later…

  66. BROC 2 years ago

    Part of Alex Rodriguez’s Statement:

    I have been clear that I did not use performance enhancing substances as alleged in the notice of discipline, or violate the Basic Agreement or the Joint Drug Agreement in any manner, and in order to prove it I will take this fight to federal court. I am confident that when a Federal Judge reviews the entirety of the record, the hearsay testimony of a criminal whose own records demonstrate that he dealt drugs to minors, and the lack of credible evidence put forth by MLB, that the judge will find that the panel blatantly disregarded the law and facts, and will overturn the suspension. No player should have to go through what I have been dealing with, and I am exhausting all options to ensure not only that I get justice, but that players’ contracts and rights are protected through the next round of bargaining, and that the MLB investigation and arbitration process cannot be used against others in the future the way it is currently being used to unjustly punish me.

    • Mike1L 2 years ago

      That’s his position for the press. He will put it before a judge, who will then decide whether to go against Supreme Court precedent and set aside the ruling of an arbitrator selected through a process springing from a complex collective bargaining agreement that was negotiated by both sides and with a high degree of granularity. If a judge agrees with him, he will get his money. But, and I realize you are a supporter, if A-Rod did do many of the things alleged, including buying up evidence, then if he gets a reversal, he will just be someone who beat the rap on a technicality. That’s a stain all the money in the world won’t wash away.

      • jb226 2 years ago

        I’m completely with you. I’m not sure a judge is even going to HEAR this case (beyond preliminary motions); overruling a binding arbitration ruling is not something that a judge does lightly.

  67. WazBazbo 2 years ago

    Looking at all the arguments here pro and con about teams policing their own players brought a question to mind. Does anybody know if when a player is acquired in any way that requires he pass a physical (free agency, trade, etc) if the physical includes a drug screening?

  68. Nicholas Koch 2 years ago

    If I’m the Yankees I bring in garza,Jimenez and young.

    • GrilledCheese39 2 years ago

      If you’re the Yankees, you’ll never get under the luxury tax threshold.

  69. Nicholas Koch 2 years ago

    Actually I’d like to see Yankees get Balfour young and either garza or Jimenez if not both…. Again very unlikely all 4

  70. Mark C Cappuccio 2 years ago

    He should consider himself lucky. Just shut up Alex!

  71. mack22 2 years ago

    He should be thrown out of Baseball.

  72. pft2 2 years ago

    Tony Clarke should fire Horowitz. Bud Selig has delivered for the Yankees. The savings will make it less likely the Yankees sign anyone else since 189 is well within reach.

  73. willywater88 2 years ago

    Boras will find a way to get Stephen Drew to the Yankees.

    • burnboll 2 years ago

      The best for Drew were IMO the Cardinals. If they, who’s got a loaded farm, rather take Jhonny Peralta, it says something about Drew and current value/quality of draft picks.

  74. JR_Tolls1 2 years ago

    If the judge is a Mets fan then he is done.

  75. Pawel 2 years ago

    With this suspension the Yankees are now at 150 mill payroll, giving them more flexibility to sign Tanaka, and maybe even a close like Grant Balfour and a 3B like Michael Young or Mark Reynolds

    • Kevin Sheets 2 years ago

      Its the Yankees. When do they not have the “flexibility”?

  76. Unassisted Triple Play 2 years ago

    Face it, the days of Alex Rodriguez as the face of Major League Baseball are over. Time to concentrate of the brilliant play of guys like Mike Trout, Yasiel Puig and Bryce Harper! Baseball is in good hands!

  77. BadBJay 2 years ago

    If Alex wants to play any more baseball after 2014, he better buy a first basemen’s glove. His knees and hips can’t handle a full season at Third. And kiss the Yanks goodbye.

  78. Rangerbourne 2 years ago

    He is on the fast track to becoming the most hated player in the history of baseball. I hope he fights this in every legal court he can, blows his entire estate on lawyer fees and ends up broke and out of baseball forever.

  79. Kevin Sheets 2 years ago

    This was lose lose scenario for most MLB fans, in my opinion. The average fan dislikes Arod. The average fan dislikes Bud Selig. I dont trust Arod. I dont trust Bud. I would like to go a season without PEDs being the main focus point.
    Lets focus on Trout, Harper, Puig, and all the young up and coming talent for the future.

  80. Rizzo44 2 years ago

    This is terrible because it should have been doubled not reduced. It doesn’t matter he’ll never play again … More importantly he’ll never be in the hof.

  81. Brian James 2 years ago

    I’m not a fan of A-roid in the least but I find it amzing how the yankee’s did everything they could to not pay him the money.. not only would he earn 28mm a year but also $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR

  82. DMoney1184 2 years ago

    They were going to be anyway. They need at least one starter and Garza/Jimenez/Santanta/Arroyo didn’t excite them. I think they threw away any chance of getting under the $189 million tax threshold when they gave Ellsbury his ridiculous deal.

  83. Eric Droegemeier 2 years ago

    Even if they get Tanaka they still have a bad rotation after him.

  84. Sportsbozo1 2 years ago

    Yeah and then when ARod wins his Federal Labor law appeal they will be stuck so far over the cap that they will be paying the lions share of their gate to every other team in baseball in luxury tax!!!

  85. RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

    I didn’t down thumb you and I appreciate the info.

    However, I’m more curious as to how federal court implicates the Yankees payroll, if at all.

  86. Deftones17 2 years ago

    I realize that, but certain media individuals were speculating that it was just a regular season ban, which did not include the playoffs.

  87. Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

    Regardless you shouldn’t wish harm on anyone. Especially over a sport.

  88. Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

    Regardless you shouldn’t wish harm on anyone. Especially over a sport.

  89. Derpy 2 years ago

    If the suspension is ruled unreasonable/successfully appealed, the Yankees would be forced to pay him all back pay immediately. Otherwise, I dont think it matters.

  90. burnboll 2 years ago

    So Boston Red Sox would spend +120 million just in order to “stick it” to Yankees?

    Sounds a bit like a stretch.

  91. Jose Batista 2 years ago

    No they wouldn’t but they aren’t going to be outbid.

  92. burnboll 2 years ago

    So then why did you write that they would want to stick it to the Yankees?

  93. Riaaaaaa 2 years ago

    Says who?

  94. HobokenMetsFan 2 years ago

    I’m very interested in hearing how the arbitrator came to his decision and over what evidence as I agree with your premise.

    At the end of the day, I think this is a lose-lose for everyone as it just continues to negatively affect the game at a time when its popularity seems to be slipping.

  95. icedrake523 2 years ago

    I believe it was his agent who did that.

  96. Defiancy 2 years ago

    Melky also came clean and submitted to punishment, A-Rod has fought the whole way.

  97. chris hines 2 years ago

    Tanaka should start the year as the 4th or 5th starter anyway since he’ll likely have pitch and innings limits. Sabathia, Kuroda, Nova, Tanaka, Phelps/Pineda/et al isn’t bad if Sabathia bounces back reasonably and Nova repeats 2013. I still think they’d br smart to sign Tanaka and Jimenez though, that bumps Nova to 4 and Tanaka to 5th which could be a very strong rotation all thijgs considered.

  98. MB923 2 years ago

    CC (if he returns to form) – Kuroda – Tanaka-Nova is weak?

  99. RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

    Love the moral implications if we’re punishing by means other than positive test results.
    But the best case scenario for the Yanks would be having A-Rod hitting 20-25 HRs with a serviceable glove AND signing Tanaka.

    We’re talking the Yankees, owners of a 10+ billion TV deal and who led the league in revenue by over 150 million last season (570 overall) according to Bloomberg 2013. But yes, Hal is more “business” oriented than his late father so this is probably Hal’s best case scenario. That wouldn’t have been the case for George and isn’t for Yankee fans.

  100. Alz147 2 years ago

    How? Even most Yankee-fans want him gone. His glove is and will never be servicable, again. He’s a DH anyway and the Yanks have like 5 of those on their team.
    So him being decent with the bat while paying him 27-28m AND Tanaka another 18m or so is imo far from the best case scenario, even with the yanks unlimited ressources.

    Their rotation lacks more than 1 starter anyway, so better than a-rod + tanaka would be Garza/Jimenez + Tanaka + Reynolds + Balfour…and it would be even cheaper than the first option.
    They don’t want him on their team, but a lifetime ban is not within the realm of possibility.

    Again, I certainly cannot say that I like a-rod, but I don’t see a reason why he should be punished much more severely opposed to Braun.

  101. RIYankeeGuy 2 years ago

    A Rod graded out better defensively than Nunez and another potential replacement in Young. I said serviceable, not above average, not superb, but serviceable. And the Yankees could still afford Tanaka+Jim/Garza if they were lucky enough to be the preferred destination.
    If you agree the Yankees last remaining advantage is unlimited financial resources than what is the difference between a 230 or 205 million dollar payroll?
    Since the Yankees expected win total varied from 75-79 wins last year, they need to improve at many positions, especially losing 5+ WAR from Cano’s departure. They need each and every win to sniff the playoffs this season, including the difference between A-Rod and Reynolds/whoever.

  102. chris hines 2 years ago

    Clearly his agent doesn’t work for him…

  103. G W 2 years ago

    For a team that has totally lucked out in shedding $26 mil of sunk cost next year (and still with a huge payroll) yeah, that’s weak. And if they don’t sign Tanaka it’s pathetic quite frankly, I don’t think Ned Colleti could have engineered a worse situation, although I’m sure he’s trying.

  104. Sportsbozo1 2 years ago

    Tanaka won’t be on a pitch count or innings limit. He was the ace of the NBP World Champions! By the way before they jump in with both feet they might want to wait until a federal court has heard the unfair labor practice suit brought by Arod, and believe me when I say his case has merit…

  105. fatdaddy 2 years ago

    they should sign Garza or Santana so that every pitcher in their rotation will have a name ending in “a.”

  106. Alz147 2 years ago

    Well, if you add in the fact that being above the 189m mark will cost the yanks maybe more than an additional 50m or so, there is actually a difference between a 205m and 230m payroll. And again, the question is not whether they can invest so much money, it’s how they will do it and A-Rod is not an 30m player anymore.
    They need WAR and there are some free agents left that have a better shot at providing more value to a Yankee-team than A-Rod.

  107. chris hines 2 years ago

    So I suppose Darvish was held to limits because he was a 5th starter in Japan? You are talking about pitchers who are use to pitching every 7th day, it would be beyond ignorant to simply throw him out for 33 starts and 220 innings in his first year. Whatever team signs him needs to take that into consideration and ease him into the work load.

  108. Charlie Burns 2 years ago

    That part of Arod’s lawsuit against New York was already dismissed by the judge presiding over his suspension as “meritless”

  109. MB923 2 years ago

    Explain how that’s pathetic please. Let us assume CC is back to form (which is what i said originally) and Tanaka lives up to his expectations.

  110. G W 2 years ago

    I said it’s pathetic if they don’t sign Tanaka.

  111. MB923 2 years ago

    Then explain how it’s weak?

  112. chris hines 2 years ago

    You can argue either side and have the same chance of being right. CC could bounce back and be an ace, continue to decline, rebound slightly and be a middle rotation arm. Nova could repeat 2013, he could have another 5 ERA season like 2012, or he could fall somewhere in the big middle available. Kuroda could be dominant again or he could age in one offseason. They have enough question marks and potential for the outcome to be all over the spectrum.

  113. Sportsbozo1 2 years ago

    Actually since he’s an employee with a contract and that contract is valid, the Yankees have to pay Arod as long as it takes to hear his case. there is no way that his suspension isn’t considered unreasonable as Arod’s attorney only has to site Cruz, Peralta, Braun and Ramirez as the precedence each case held differing findings but none suspended a player for mor than 50 games other than Ramirez who was suspended for a year after his third suspension for PED usage.

  114. Lionel Bossman Craft 2 years ago

    You can say these things about most any rotation or starter. You think all of the Red Sox pitchers have had flawless careers?

  115. BeantownGreen 2 years ago

    No but the Red Sox have tons of depth at the position that the Yankees simply will not have. The question marks for the Yankees are more major. There is no comparison atm between the Yankees rotation and the Red Sox rotation

  116. rct 2 years ago

    Why are you making this about me? I’m not angry at all.

    You’re now saying that everyone is like Arod and no one would walk away from the money. So. . .what was your original point?

  117. JacobyWanKenobi 2 years ago

    I would really enjoy reading your reasoning behind this.

  118. MB923 2 years ago

    The numbers last year weren’t as far off as you think. The Yankees starters were 4th in WAR last year (Red Sox 3rd).

    Red Sox rotation was better, but not by much.

  119. liberalconservative 2 years ago

    Reread the post I was replying to Arod will not retire. He loves money. That is what you questioned. You change it to talk about Jeter. Only a hand full of players have ever walked away from baseball leaving money on the table.

  120. icedrake523 2 years ago

    Or his agent did it without him knowing.

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