White Sox, Mariners Have Discussed Viciedo Deal

The White Sox and Mariners have discussed a deal involving outfielder Dayan ViciedoBruce Levine of CBSChicago.com reports. The White Sox are not actively looking to trade Viciedo, although they are willing to take calls on him, Levine notes. Levine suggests that the White Sox might want to receive a left-handed potential power hitter in return.

The Mariners admire Viciedo's talent and are looking to add a right-handed hitter to their lineup. Viciedo will make $2.8MM in 2014, and will not be eligible for free agency until after the 2017 season.

Viciedo hit .265/.304/.426 in 473 plate appearances for the White Sox last season, a disappointing year, given that Viciedo is not a plus defensive outfielder. (As the Seattle Times' Jerry Brewer recently noted, the Mariners struggled with outfield defense last season. Viciedo would be unlikely to help in that area.) The Mariners are currently slated to go with an outfield mix of Dustin Ackley, Abraham Almonte, Michael Saunders, Corey Hart, Logan Morrison and perhaps Endy Chavez or another bench candidate, with Hart and Morrison also receiving time at first base and DH. 


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76 Comments on "White Sox, Mariners Have Discussed Viciedo Deal"


Patrick
1 year 5 months ago

Nick Franklin and Jesus Montero would be nice

johnsilver
1 year 5 months ago

He’s a hacker with a .306 career OBP, negative defensive value, already making 3m. I doubt he’s going to bring the Chisox back a middle infielder who is in demand in return and then more.

Gocubs2010
1 year 5 months ago

Seeing as Tyler Flowers is better than Montero and Beckham is better than Franklin how would that deal make sense?

The_Porcupine
1 year 5 months ago

Um, Beckham isn’t so hot and Franklin’s only had what 1/2 a year in the majors. It would be potential upside versus known bust. Personally, I’ll take the upside.

Seamaholic
1 year 5 months ago

Franklin’s way more valuable than Beckham, given where they are in their respective careers.

Penn Parallax
1 year 5 months ago

Franklin is better than Beckham but a pot of flowers is better than Montero.

Jordan_Vaughn1
1 year 5 months ago

Chris Sale would be nice too.

johnsilver
1 year 5 months ago

Without intending to insult Chisox fans, Sale and a couple of other SP (Santana, Santiago) along with Reed are about all that the White Sox have that the M’s could use and they are not trading Reed, Sale and doubtful on the other 2.

Asroka12
1 year 5 months ago

Addison Reed is on the Arizona Diamondbacks and Hector Santiago is on the Anaheim Angels and who is Santana?

johnsilver
1 year 5 months ago

Thanks for that. Pitching (with Iwakuma out a bit) and Walker, Paxton maybe not ready until May are the real needs other than an impact bat for the mariners.

I don’t see an impact bat, or real protective type player on the Chisox roster. Dunn? Sure, he could help some, but he’s still owed 15m and the M’s already have several guys to revolve around the DH/1b slot in Smoak, Hart, LoMo, even Montero.

Really don’t think the 2 teams match up.

Penn Parallax
1 year 5 months ago

You realize that Montero can’t play catcher and I wouldn’t even count on him to be a major league DH. The dude showed up to camp weighing almost 300 pounds and saying he didn’t do anything in the offseason but eat. This after getting suspended 50 games last year for PEDs (which didn’t help because he had a horrible year.) Montero for a Ozzie Guilen bobblehead and half-off pizza coupon would be an overpayment by the Sox.

NRD1138
1 year 5 months ago

I see Viciedo as the heir apparent to Dunn once he and his contract goes. I doubt the Sox will just give him away. He also has a wrist or hand injury last season which I think messed him up for most of the season.

rightwingrick
1 year 5 months ago

Viciedo doesn’t know how to take a walk. He’s got a long way to go to be an heir apparent to Dunn.

dshires4
1 year 5 months ago

Not to speak for the dude, but I think he might have been referencing the DH position.

NRD1138
1 year 5 months ago

I was referring to him replacing Dunn in the DH spot.

Tony Matias
1 year 5 months ago

Poor fit for Seattle. An outfielder at Safeco needs to have + defensive abilities and his .265 would, more than likely, project at .230-.240. Jack Z. has proven time and again that he’s not a very good GM at trading and I believe that unless it’s a couple minor leaguers, this would just add to Jack’s “legacy”.

Denny Kissane
1 year 5 months ago

What? Why would his avg drop? Because he’s playing at Safeco field? He’s a career .260 hitter that hit 9 of his 14 home runs on the road. Not sure how he’s considered a poor fit when the Mariners used 40 year old Raul Ibanez everyday at left field last year.

Tony Matias
1 year 5 months ago

Watch this board for the hours to come and you will see what the majority have to say about this possibility. Viciedo is not a good fit in Seattle.

kws001
1 year 5 months ago

I agree strongly with you. If this trade goes down, it’s further proof that Jack Z has no idea how to evaluate MLB talent. He seems to draft okay, but that’s about it.

Lefebvre Believer
1 year 5 months ago

Viciedo’s fly ball rate actually isn’t that high, so he probably wouldn’t be hurt by Safeco all that much. Thing is he’s still pretty average either way you look at it. Maybe they’re thinking he’s due to break out???

Tony Matias
1 year 5 months ago

Watch this board for the hours to come and you will see what the majority have to say about this possibility. Viciedo is not a good fit in Seattle.

rightwingrick
1 year 5 months ago

And Ibanez was a defensive disaster.
Viciedo’s average would likely drop because the left field and particularly left center dimensions are larger than most places, and a prevailing wind coming through the stadium is from left to right field. Lots of fly balls die out there.

Stevil
1 year 5 months ago

Nobody’s saying Ibanez was a successful outfielder, are they? Park factors is something to consider, and as Ibanez made clear, defense IS important. That’s the point here.

The M’s collectively proved HR’s mean little, regardless of where, if they can’t manufacture runs any other way.

Penn Parallax
1 year 5 months ago

Unfortunately I don’t think Jack Z. sees the value in defense. If he did he wouldn’t be counting on Corey Hart to be a regular outfielder. He’s amassing a roster of Cano and a bunch of DH’s.

Stevil
1 year 5 months ago

Nobody’s saying Ibanez was a successful outfielder, are they? Park factors is something to consider, and as Ibanez made clear, defense IS important. That’s the point here.

The M’s collectively proved HR’s mean little, regardless of where, if they can’t manufacture runs any other way.

drlove33
1 year 5 months ago

Because the Mariners don’t have enough defensively limited corner outfielders already…

Tony Matias
1 year 5 months ago

? Heh?

drlove33
1 year 5 months ago

Woops.

The_Unnatural
1 year 5 months ago

They have one in Hart, and that’s if his knees are bad and he doesn’t DH. He was an average defender in Milwaukee. Ackley is fast and has potenial to be a good defender in LF. Almonte/Saunders are both good defenders in the corners.

drlove33
1 year 5 months ago

Because the Mariners don’t have enough defensively limited corner outfielders already…

0vercast
1 year 5 months ago

I don’t think this is a very good idea for either side, but especially the Mariners.

If you thought Viciedo was a poor OF in little US Cellular, wait til you see him ‘prowl’ the spacious Safeco OF. Furthermore, his swing-for-the-fences approach at the plate will translate very poorly to that ballpark and will result in a lot of flyballs that end up nestled in OFer’s gloves.

Dayan should be praying he doesn’t end up there.

De Aza would be a better fit, IMO.

Edgar4evar
1 year 5 months ago

Viciedo is like a worse hitting version of Corey Hart. No thanks.

themsfan
1 year 5 months ago

Rather trade for de aza

Stevil
1 year 5 months ago

The Mariners need a center fielder. What they don’t need, is another corner outfielder with little or no defensive value. If Smoak or Morrison went away, fine, but they still need that center fielder. Saunders and Ackley are better served in the corners and Almonte, though promising, is still unproven and could certainly improve on his throws. Hart should see more time as the DH.

Viciedo hit’s lefties real well. He could be useful in a platoon role–offensively. But the M’s can’t keep filling holes with incomplete players. They don’t have a good balance of talent that can be used for maximum production, like what the A’s have.

This is what happens when a GM upgrades areas that weren’t bad while ignoring the larger areas of need.

Tony Matias
1 year 5 months ago

Hey Stevil. I’m still questioning that Morrison deal.

Captain America
1 year 5 months ago

Maybe the mets want Franklin and Viciedo.

Mariners get Lagares and Rafael Montero.

raffish
1 year 5 months ago

Nah. Lame deal for the M’s. We can do better simply by keeping Franklin, and of course by trading him for better players.

Christopher Rioux
1 year 5 months ago

And the Sox get?

Captain America
1 year 5 months ago

Jesus Montero and prospects

raffish
1 year 5 months ago

You’re killing the M’s in this deal.

rightwingrick
1 year 5 months ago

There is no way the M’s give up Montero OR Franklin for Viciedo….both are right-handed hitters (Franklin is only 23, highly regarded as a prospect, and a switch hitter), which is what they are looking for. Franklin alone would be a severe over-pay. It’s more likely to be one of their LH hitters, probably Morrison (Saunders can play defense, which they need, and Morrison is more like Viciedo, only a left-handed hitter).

macdice
macdice
1 year 5 months ago

Are you kidding they would move Montero in a heart beat. They want to wash their hands of him. He has no future with the Mariners.

Jimmy Lolita
1 year 5 months ago

2 Montero HRs last night, both opposite field. No reason to trade him for 10 cents in the dollar. He has minor league options

Red_Line_9
1 year 5 months ago

Surprising to hear the M’s aren’t discussing De Aza. He’s put up some solid, if quiet, numbers. Are they considering dealing Smoak to Chicago?

Joey Doughnuts
1 year 5 months ago

Where would Smoak play? We have 3 1B already in Konerko, Dunn, Abreu. Chris Taylor is a name I’d be more interested in, and throw Luiz Gohara in to that trade.

Captain America
1 year 5 months ago

So the white sox signed Abreu and then would trade viciedo?

I don’t think so…

dshires4
1 year 5 months ago

Shocking. The Mariners are interested in a player with no defensive value and what appears to be at best, a league average bat. I never saw that coming….

The_Unnatural
1 year 5 months ago

They’ll still have trouble against LHP and Viciedo has a history of destroying them.

OUTFOXEM
1 year 5 months ago

Personally I’m hoping the M’s can add one or two more 1B/DH types to the roster.

Red_Line_9
1 year 5 months ago

Smoak for Viciedo + shipping?

docmilo5
1 year 5 months ago

This is all speculation. The M’s could have been there looking at pitching. It was Vuckovich. Viciedo and DeAza do nothing for the Mariners. Heck, Vuckovich could have been there watching the other team.

Move along. Nothing to see.

docmilo5
1 year 5 months ago

This is all speculation. The M’s could have been there looking at pitching. It was Vuckovich. Viciedo and DeAza do nothing for the Mariners. Heck, Vuckovich could have been there watching the other team.

Move along. Nothing to see.

Sage
1 year 5 months ago

I’m failing to see what the Mariners could possibly be planning. If I’m Lloyd McClendon right now, I’m begging Jack Z to try getting De Aza instead. De Aza, while not an offensive specimen to be sure, can at least hit a bit, steal you some bases, and play a respectable outfield defense. Viciedo has a cool name, but that’s about all he’s got going for him. He wouldn’t have a defensive position on the M’s. He’d be part of a group of four players who should either be playing first or DHing. Unless the M’s think every base is first base, this can’t work.

I hope for the M’s sake that this is just speculation and doesn’t come to fruition.

Red_Line_9
1 year 5 months ago

Interesting theory on names you bring up. I’ve always thought that people are generally more inclined to overvalue players with interesting names. Would Rollie Fingers be the same if his name were Mike Smith?

docmilo5
1 year 5 months ago

And what exactly are you willing to trade for DeAza? His number have fallen steaily for the last few years. I would have loved to have him his age 28 season. Pass, I’ll let Almonte become what DeAza was.

Nick Beahm
1 year 5 months ago

His numbers have increased each year, the only thing that has declined was his average, which was in the 280s in 2012 and that dropped to the 260s last season, which would have been 3rd on the team, and he would be the best defender. I would rather get him and let Almonte play in the corner and have 2 very fast, good defenders in the outfield than putting Saunders out there again to watch him fail, again, since 2009.

docmilo5
1 year 5 months ago

DeAza put up a .728 OPS last year. Nothing special. Saunders hurt his shoulder and couldn’t swing for 8 weeks and still put up a .720 OPS.
At one point Ackley was one of the best bats in the minors. 2 years ago he had heal spurs and could barely walk. Last year he had Wedge in his head telling him to be what he’s not. He’s going to break out this year.
Again, Almonte will be what DeAza was.
The M’s are covered.

The_Unnatural
1 year 5 months ago

Except Almonte has a decent approach at the plate.

The_Porcupine
1 year 5 months ago

Got to appreciate Jack Z.’s style- take a bunch of leftovers, throw it all together, see what sticks. That outfield defense will be horrendous. I’d feel sorry for the center fielder playing between 2 of LoMo, Hart, and Viciedo. They’d have to convert the whole pitching staff into ground ballers.

rightwingrick
1 year 5 months ago

I think the M’s outfield is going to be much different (and better defensively) than is currently being speculated. Dustin Ackley is a good athlete with speed and can play defense, and his hitting has been coming around nicely since last June (.300+). I think he’s the M’s left fielder most of the time. Michael Saunders has very good speed, a very good arm, nice power, and plays very good outfield defense, and is likely to be in right field against right handers (75% of the time). He’s just had to play out of position and learn CF on the fly when Gutierrez couldn’t play, so his defensive metrics are skewed by that. Centerfield is the problem. Almonte will be better there with some time under his belt….he’s played there a lot in the minors…but he’s not likely the long-term answer.

docmilo5
1 year 5 months ago

Yeah, what rightwingrick says, the OF will be Ackley, Almonte and Saunders. Hart will be DH and Morrison or Smoak get traded unless they send Morrison to Tacoma. Romero is starting to hit and has a ton of power. Throwing Dee Gordon out at home is a notch on his belt as the 4th OFer/RH bench bat.

No thanks on the ChiSox 2nds.

docmilo5
1 year 5 months ago

Yeah, what rightwingrick says, the OF will be Ackley, Almonte and Saunders. Hart will be DH and Morrison or Smoak get traded unless they send Morrison to Tacoma. Romero is starting to hit and has a ton of power. Throwing Dee Gordon out at home is a notch on his belt as the 4th OFer/RH bench bat.

No thanks on the ChiSox 2nds.

Red_Line_9
1 year 5 months ago

Austin Wilson would be nice for the Sox. He’s a righty bat, but far enough down in the system to be considered a gamble for the M’s. An outfield of Garcia-Eaton-Wilson might look good in 2016. Not that it would play in but Wilson is also a SoCal Stanford guy like Kenny Williams.

MarinerMadHouse
1 year 5 months ago

No way would the M’s offer Austin Wilson for Viciedo. The Sox would get Chance Ruffin, Triunfel and maybe another prospect in a deal for Viciedo.

Red_Line_9
1 year 5 months ago

I’m not saying a straight swap necessarily, just what the Sox might target. I’m not one who always sees values in bulk number deals. There’s quite a bit of risk with Wilson. Viciedo is signed for a few seasons and has upside…260 25 HR. There are substantial odds that Wilson never sees that contribution.

Red_Line_9
1 year 5 months ago

Neither is a power bat that was mentioned as a White Sox target.

Nick Beahm
1 year 5 months ago

The Mariners are extremely high on Austin Wilson. They would be stupid to trade him, but they have been stupid in the past, Doug Fister, so it’s technically possible. But it won’t happen, when the Mariners drafted him, he instantly became our best outfield prospect.

Red_Line_9
1 year 5 months ago

You’d have to be high on him after watching him fall to the second round. He does come with higher risk than a lot of prospect-happy fans would like to acknowledge. Not saying that deal happens… just what the Sox need to be looking at. Its not their job to see the Mariners get a good deal.

Overbrook
1 year 5 months ago

In general, I do like the idea of trading with the Mariners.
One thing Viciedo has defensively is a great arm.

Jeff
1 year 5 months ago

the talk seems to be Saunders for Viciedo, definitely a defensive downgrade for an already weak defensive club. A couple years ago the M’s were one of the better defensive clubs, but were losing 2-1, 1-0 games and were mind numblingly boring to watch.. gotta figure even though the club batting average has remained historically inept for a multi year period, the dysfunctional people above Jack Z pressured him to create more excitement in the batting order, no matter the results for the defense or win loss record.

The_Unnatural
1 year 5 months ago

That sounds awful for the M’s. That should be enough to can Z for good.