Bay To Indians Talks Revived, Then Dead Again?

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 2:24pm: The Indians and Pirates haven’t even talked about Bay since the Meetings began.

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 10:58am: Buster Olney says these talks are dead.

FROM 12-5-07 at 7:35am:

According to Dejan Kovacevic, the Indians felt pressured when they saw the division-rival Tigers trade for Miguel Cabrera.  Their response was to restart their conversations with the Pirates for outfielder Jason Bay.

A five-player trade is being discussed, apparently expanding upon the rumor originally reported by ESPN’s Steve Phillips.  The Bucs would send Bay and catcher Ronny Paulino for Franklin Gutierrez, Kelly Shoppach, and Cliff Lee.  Looks like the Pirates are seeking MLB-ready guys, though they wanted prospects from the Rangers yesterday.  Late last night it was also said that the Padres had jumped into the fray for Bay

It’s decent value for Bay, who should really only be traded this winter if the Pirates feel his decline is for real.  It’s not surprising to see the Tribe in on Bay, since the Pirates’ GM came from their organization.

Brewers Inquire On Valverde

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 2:22pm: I was just speculating below, but it turns out the Brewers actually did talk to the D’Backs about Valverde.  However the teams don’t seem to match up.

FROM 12-4-07 at 10:52pm:

According to ESPN’s Enrique Rojas, the Diamondbacks are listening to offers for closer Jose Valverde.  They feel they’ve got the bullpen depth to cover his loss.  This trade possibility is nothing new to MLBTR readers, as it was first mentioned on November 6th.  Valverde figures to get a $3MM raise for ’08, to about $5MM.

No mention of possible suitors, but maybe the Brewers and Astros would be interested?

Odds and Ends: Guillen, Crede, Hamilton, Boone

Rounding up some of the day’s random rumors and tidbits…

  • Jose Guillen might get a light suspension for his exploits.
  • There was a report that the Brewers were close to obtaining Joe Crede, but it was published last night.
  • The BBWAA approved a new resolution for 2013.  Any player with a contract provision linked to a major award of theirs will not be considered for that award.  Makes sense – to repeat Curt Schilling’s situation.  Curt Schilling could get a million bucks by netting one Cy Young vote in 2008.  The BBWAA would rather preserve its right to have members make off-the-wall votes on occasion without bribery being accused.
  • The Reds traded Buck Coats to the Jays.  They also released Jorge Cantu.  They now have an open spot on the 40-man roster.
  • Could the Rays re-acquire Josh HamiltonThere’s speculation on the topic in Nashville.
  • Buster Olney says Aaron Boone interests the Giants, Nationals, and Brewers.

Cardinals Rumors: Rolen, Fogg, Lee, Millwood

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 1:55pm: Heyman says the impasse between the Cards and Brewers in the Rolen talks was the second player coming over with Chris Capuano.  He thinks the two teams will revisit these discussions in the future.

FROM 12-5-07 at 7:29am:

As usual, Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch has all the insight into the Cardinals’ situation.

  • It doesn’t look like Scott Rolen is going anywhere before the Meetings end, and GM John Mozeliak may have to start the season with him.  The talks with the Brewers were disheartening, apparently.  The Cards don’t think there should be a discount.  There is a glimmer of hope in that Mozeliak may talk again with the Dodgers about Rolen today.
  • On the starting pitching front, the Cardinals are being realistic.  That means they’re looking into signing Josh Fogg.  Fogg will probably get a three-year, $21MM deal or so.  Other starters on the radar include Cliff Lee and a new name, Kevin Millwood.  Millwood will earn $8.5MM in ’08, $11MM in ’09, and $12MM in ’10.  He has a limited no-trade clause, and the club may be able to void the deal after ’09 if he misses certain innings targets.
  • Seems odd that the Cards are pursuing guys like the above but are willing to deal Anthony Reyes.  As we learned yesterday, the Indians and Padres like the young hurler.  The Phillies have coveted him for a while as well.

Mets Inquire On Burnett

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 1:52pm: Stark says that though the Mets inquired, there’s little chance the Jays trade Burnett to them.  They’re trying to collect power arms for 2008.

FROM 12-5-07 at 1:54am:

According to ESPN’s Jayson Stark, the Mets have inquired on Toronto’s A.J. Burnett.  Burnett’s opt-out effectively puts him on a one-year deal, but worse.

Burnett is definitely the frontline type of guy the Mets have been looking for, despite the injury concerns.  Those concerns plus the contract situation should definitely leave Burnett in the Mets’ price range.

Odds and Ends: Gregg, Hawkins, Tavarez

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 1:12pm: Per Troy Renck, the Rockies denied interest in Tavarez.

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 9:22am:  The Rockies are one NL team confirmed to have an interest in Tavarez.  He pitched for the Rox in 2000, making 12 starts.

FROM 12-5-07 at 12:31am:

Early Wednesday collection of randomness…

Giants Rumors: Silva, Kuroda, Lowry

Andrew Baggarly checks in with some new Giants information.

  • He says the Giants are acting as if they’re planning on trading a pitcher, checking in with the agents for Carlos Silva and Hiroki Kuroda.  Brian Sabean found the cost for Kuroda prohibitive, though.  This activity is, of course, linked to the rumored Tim Lincecum trade.
  • No truth to the rumors linking the Giants to Ben Broussard and Shawn Green.
  • Teams have called about Noah Lowry, but the Giants have only gotten lowball offers.

Dan Haren Rumors: Wednesday

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 11:20am: Joel Sherman says Stephen Drew, Mark Reynolds, and Tony Pena are also off the table in the Haren talks.

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 8:09am: Susan Slusser adds that the A’s aren’t being unreasonable with Arizona – they haven’t asked for Justin Upton or Chris Young. Slusser also notes that Billy Beane wouldn’t sit down with the Tigers unless they’d discuss Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin.  That’s when the Tigers turned to the Marlins.  Beane downplayed the chances of trading Haren, but what else is he going to say?

FROM 12-5-07 at 12:09am:

Technically it’s Wednesday now, and some of the more rumor-filled threads were getting really long.  So I’m happy to start a set of new ones.  You can check out Tuesday’s Dan Haren thread here.

According to Jack Magruder of the East Valley Tribune, the D’Backs are willing to discuss a package of Carlos Gonzalez, Emilio Bonifacio, and Brett Anderson for Haren.  That the D’Backs could spare these three very talented youngsters without skipping a beat speaks to how deep their farm system is.  Magruder’s source says the A’s could ask for a staggering six players. 

Jose Valverde, Dustin Nippert, and/or Alberto Callaspo could be involved to give the A’s some MLB-ready talent.  From previous reports, we know that Conor Jackson and Max Scherzer will not be involved.  Ken Rosenthal had suggested last night that the A’s initial request scared the D’Backs off, but he’s since corrected that information

The A’s, however, want to wait for something to happen with Johan Santana before trading Haren.

Additionally, Magruder adds that the D’Backs have a touch of interest in Noah Lowry.