It took some time, but the Angels got even. Two weeks after the Rangers acquired Cliff Lee, the Angels traded for a highly-coveted pitcher of their own, obtaining Dan Haren from the Diamondbacks, according to Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News. In exchange for Haren, the Angels gave up Joe Saunders, Patrick Corbin, Rafael Rodriguez, and a player to be named later (Twitter link). The player to be named later is going to be Tyler Skaggs, barring something unexpected, according to Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic (via Twitter).
The deal brings an end to months of speculation surrounding Haren, who became the most desirable hurler on the trade block after the Mariners shipped Cliff Lee to the Rangers. Unlike Lee, Haren's contract extends beyond this season. Haren is under contract for 2011 and 2012 at $12.75MM per season with a club option for 2013 of $15.5MM ($3.5MM buyout). The righthander has a 4.60 ERA with 9.0 K/9 and 1.9 BB/9 in 21 starts thus far in 2010.
Saunders, a former first round pick of the Angels, will change teams for the first time in his career. The lefty owns a career-high 4.62 ERA with 4.8 K/9 and 3.4 BB/9 on the season. The 29-year-old will earn a shade over $1MM for the rest of this season, after which point he is arbitration-eligible. The D'Backs will control his rights in 2011, but Saunders will hit free agency after 2012.
Skaggs was the Halos' supplemental first-round selection (40th overall) in 2009. The 19-year-old signed for $1MM in early August. According to Baseball America, Skaggs is armed with a fastball in the 88-91 mph range that could reach 91-93 mph when his upper body matures. Skaggs, in their estimation, projects as a solid mid-rotation starter.
Corbin, who turned 21 on Monday, is a lefthander with "much of his value tied to the development of his fastball", according to Baseball America's Prospect Handbook. At 6'3", the super-athletic hurler can dunk a basketball without a running start. Rodriguez, soon to be 26 years old, saw some time with the varsity squad in 2009, turning in a 5.58 ERA with 10 Ks and 9 BBs in 30.2 innings. Baseball America writes that he "features two plus pitches" at his best.
The Phillies, Cardinals, Tigers, Yankees and Dodgers were among the many teams connected to Haren this summer. The Angels did not appear to be a frontrunner for his services, but GM Tony Reagins pulled the deal off nonetheless. His counterpart, D'Backs interim GM Jerry Dipoto, faced the same challenge Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos faced last winter: his first major trade involved his team's best pitcher.
It was first reported by Bill Plunkett and Dan Woike of the Orange County Register that Saunders was involved in a trade.
For Dan Haren!?!@
Tony Reagins is the Albert Pujols of GM’s.
For Dan Haren
along with two other angels pitchers
for dan haren and the angels give up- two other pitchers (rodriguez and someone else)
For Dan Haren ..
He was traded for Dan Haren. You heard it here first, 3:20pm.
It was for Dan Haren
To the DBacks along with corbin rodriguez and ptbnl for Haren
For Haren. This sucks.
Wow, that’s a steal. As an Angels’ fan, I feel guilty.
Depends on the PTBNL… Brandon Wood? I’m ok with that.
Brandon Wood sucks
kruk and Kuip on the Giants broadcast just said they traded for Dan Haren
Joe Saunders has trade value…is this real life?
April first already passed so this must be real .. WOW.
So if he has value, then dice-k must be an ace? Wow what a steal for the angels! Man haren and santana back to back? Texas may go done.
the angels did
WOW hopefully we start seeing a lot more trades now, at least he’s not on the yankees.
Don’t worry the yanks will be getting a top arm, either in the pen or rotation
MLB Network just reported it too.
Haren for Joe Saunders, Patrick Corbin, and Rafael Rodriguez, plus a PTBNL.
I see who the Giants fans are listening to the radio broadcast. J.T. had just announced it because the public address announcer had.
no joba, no turner. I’m disappointed
You should be, but you also should have expected a deal like this he’s having a down year and has alot of $$$$ left on his deal, both kill his value
let this be a message to the astros fans out their. Oswalt isn’t going to net nearly as much as you guys think he will.
Except that the PTBNL is a top prospect, so its basically right in line with what has been expected.
They only way this is a bad trade for the angels is if its Trout. And he is not on the list. Everyone knows the angels minor league system is ok. Our talent is in the lower divisions of the minors. Angels got a steal…
no its not fool.
1 top prospect, and by top, i use that word very loosely.
1 no name league average/below average starter
2 C+ prospects.
just a haul, right?
A top prospect and two C+ guys? I guess the Cardinals don’t have the pieces.
honestly bro, i don’t really want Oswalt. would be sweet, but their are other needs.
and yeah, we could have put together a better package. good try though.
Is your picture Tim Lincecum in a cardinals hat?
Anyways; if you want any chance at locking up your own players its a good thing you didn’t trade for haren. He’s got at least 30 million and maybe another 15 on top depending on the option.
Hopefully for you Oswalt is not a Cardinal by the end of this week cuz he’s even more expensive (especially with the option he wants picked up).
As a guy who could care less, i would agree with you that the cards could have put together a package superior to the one the dbacks got for Haren; but it was a smart baseball move to not do so. i also agree that there are more holes to fill; like offense from any position.
you think the cards want Mike Lowell? u can have him just pay his salary!
no i doubt the cards want lowell. his defense isn’t as good as it use to be and we dont need him at 1b.
and yeah, its tim lincecum in a cards uniform lol. it got cut off a bit on the bottom. i might change it to Roy Halladay in a Cards Uniform
Get that damn cardinal hat off Timmy!! lol
Hmm..I wonder if it was for Dan Haren…lol
WOW nice trade for the angels, those phuckers 🙂
a player to be named later should be called a playter. this would be much easier to type and easier to say.
Corbin’s minor league stats are nice, although I know nothing about his stuff. Rodriguez’ stats aren’t very impressive, and the Dbacks are only getting an average big league starter in Saunders. The PTBNL better be a good prospect or DiPino got hosed on his first trade.
This clearly means Oswalt to Phillies tonight, since Ed Wade isn’t gonna get nearly as much for Oswalt as the D’backs did for Dan Haren, and I think it’s safe to say the D’backs were fleeced.
Corbin better be their top pitching prospect…
No where near lol
Corbin is ranked 12th best angels prospect.
He’s 13-3 w/ a 3.87 ERA & a 1.154 WHIP, 8.3 H/9, 0.7 HR/9, 2.1BB/9 & 8.0 K/9.
so i’m pleased with him. just need to see the PTBNL and we’ll see.
if the PTBNL is junk??
Goodbye DiPoto, Hello new GM.
Where did you see him ranked 12th? He’s nowhere to be found on Top 10 lists from BP and the like. The local papers (OC Register) didn’t have him listed as a Top 20 prospect. While AngelsWin (a huge and comprehensive Angels site) has him at 29.
Corbin has a chance to be OK. Saunders could be better if only he can get his control to be a little better (I think of him as an Ian Kennedy like guy – sans the strikeouts – a change of scenery to the NL West will get his ERA to the low 4’s). The big win though is Skaggs. If he is the PTBNL AZ fans should be really happy. Skaggs is a solid kid who has a lot of upside. He’s a ways away from contributing at the big league level but projecting him as a 2/3 starter is entirely reasonable. I was really hoping that we weren’t giving up Trout. Skaggs was 2nd on my list of guys I didn’t want to see go.
I’ve been watching Skaggs all season in Cedar Rapids. I’m not sure he’s anything special. Looks like maybe the D-Backs took the quality in numbers philosophy. Good deal for the Angels….it in no way dented their farm system.
Wow. Didn’t see that coming. Nice job by the Angels.
Yay for Haren, I guess. He wanted the west coast. I hope Arizona is getting a really good PTNL; otherwise, they got screwed.
exactly. If the PTBNL is Trout, i’ll be LMAO @ the Angel fans talking crap. Cuz this year? Saunders is a poors mans Haren, with less K’s. check the stats:
6-10, 4.62 ERA, 1.492 WHIP, 10.1 H/9, 1.0 HR/9, 3.4BB/9 & 4.8k/9
7-8, 4.60 ERA, 1.348 WHIP, 10.3 H/9, 1.5 HR/9, 1.9BB/9 & 9.0k/9
yes, Haren is the better pitcher, i’m not foolish enough to disagree. but based off this year alone? most stats outside K’s are rather comparable. We don’t have a LHP, and we’ve needed one. And hey, lets see what Saunders can do in the NL. Optomistic? no. just not AS DOWN on the deal as most people. Well, at least lets wait for the PTBNL. Then we’ll talk.
You’re a homer. Haren has had a ridiculous amount of bad luck this year. He is a million times better than Saunders.
Saunders is not even a homeless mans Haren. Saunders is horrible. Look at that K/BB. Ewwwww.
Saunders is having a career year lol… Haren is not. A change of location may be good for both.
Even if it is Trout he will hit for average power but have a good batting average. Just like all of the other angels “TOP” prospects. Brandon Wood, Dallas McPherson just to name a couple.
Saunders is having a career year
Ummm.. did you not read the article? His ERA is a career HIGH, not LOW. In 2008 he had an ERA of 3.41 and WHIP of 1.212. He was also an All-Star that season.
And? He still isn’t good. Saunders was 16-7 last year.. what an ace!
Did I ever say he was? No? I’m merely correcting an incorrect statement.
Nice try though.
Sarcasm bud. Now if Haren had problems in AZ do to lack of offence and defense, Saunders will have an even harder time.
I wish him the best of luck but problems will occur.
The angels got him at as a steal. No question.
Ahh, usually I can point out sarcasm really well as I enjoy the tongue-in-cheek humor. You got me pretty good 😛
I’m quite suprised that the D-Backs made the trade with 5-6 days to go. Surely a team would have caved in under the time remaining..
And yeah, I can’t wait to see the numbers that Saunders puts up. Should be good for a laugh.
Trout hasn’t built his reputation on the ridiculous Salt Lake home park though.
You nailed it right on. The Angels don’t have anyone good coming from their system … Napoli, Kendrick, Aybar, Morales, Santana, Weaver, etc, etc.
What do we know about these two other players included?
HA. and dback fans were convinced they would get joba, nova, mccalister…and i specifically remember one dback fan saying jacob turner and rick porcello, and if that was too much, then no haren. enjoy joe saunders
Although I sense frustration in your comment, I do agree. My immediate reaction is that Arizona took a much lesser deal than was reported with the Tigers and Yanks.
not too much frustration actually. of course just 2 days ago i wanted haren more than anything in the world, but with maggs and guillen both out id rather just play for next year, and hold onto our prospects. maggs option isnt likely to vest so thats just even more money coming off where we can add some big FA’s and still keep our farm system intact.
That is a great move, Reagins. Now get me a real bat.
Oh well, at least he didn’t go to the Yanks.
That PTBNL better be good. Wow. Dback’s fans must want Josh Byrnes back.
no we dont. Byrnes would of traded Haren for Trevor Bell and Brandon Wood.
While i’m not excited about getting Saunders, at least I didnt see Brandon Wood’s name come up. Talk about LMAO.
.185 OBP Brandon Wood has more value than Joe Saunders, sorry.
As a Snake fan i’ll take Wood over this package.
That is an AWFUL offer for the DBacks.. Joe Saunders is terrible. You’re telling me nobody could beat that?
the PTBNL HAS to be Mike Trout or Tony Reagins should be arrested for grand larceny.
This would never happen. They would of just included him in the deal as a guarentee. No way they would trade trout for Haren.
Angel fan here. I LOL’D hard at what we traded for him.
What a steal for the Angels even if they don’t make the playoffs this year this is a great move to revamping their rotation for next year.
Well, Corbin looks like a solid prospect, and Saunders has the same ERA as haren with way less Ks, obviously.
Should be interesting to see who the ‘player to be named later’ is…
As a dbacks fan, i’ll pretend its Mike Trout.
Both the prospects are C at best. Joe Saunders has a 1.5 WHIP, terrible K/9 (64 in 121 IP) and a career ERA of 4.3.
Stop looking at ERA. You will want to use xFIP in this case because it tells a totally different story …
Haren – 3.38 – 2.6 WAR
Saunders – 4.94 – 0.9 WAR
Haren has a well documented case of bad defense and bad luck (350 BABIP). This is a big upgrade for the Halos.
All I gotta say is thank God he didn’t end up as a Met or Phillie… Congrats to the Halos – it seems like a great steal…
Hey DBacks…that’s what we call a poop sandwich. No bread.
they wanted Joe Saunders? baaaahahahahaha
Steal is right. Saunders is and always has been awful. I was kinda hoping the Yanks would get Haren and spare the overkill of buying Lee next year. Joba was a better starter than Saunders and has shown signs of elite relief. Arizona is hopeless.
actually, he was pretty good in 08′
The last time Joba showed signs of being “elite” was the also the year that Saunders went to the All-Star game (17-7 3.41 ERA).
Since 2007 Joba has been worth 6.7 WAR. Saunders has been worth 6.7 WAR. Now, I know that Chamberlain has spent quite a few innings in the bullpen but my point is to not get carried away. Joba hasn’t been considered a stop shelf pitcher since 2008.
Hilarious. The Angels give up three completely moveable parts. Corbin is intriguing but even then. This must be what it was like to trade with Brian Sabean ten years ago.
Don’t get too excited yet Angel fan the Player to be named later could very well be a 2009 draft pick . If the draft pick did not sign before this date last year he could not be traded until 1 year after he signed. I don’t know if the Angels 2009 draft picks were any good, but just saying usually at this time of year when a trade happens and a player to be names later is involved thats what it could be, the same thing would happen if the Astros got Shelby Miller from the Cardinals. Since he can’t officially be traded yet I think he also would be ptbnl
Mike Trout signed on June 10th. Or thats when the press release was.
wonder if Byrnes could have done better.
The Angels come out of left field again.
I told you we were desperate for a lefty. smh.
is it possible the PTBNL is mike trout?
It must be a positional player. Bourjos possibly?
Thats my guess. I think they’d want reckling though. Not in 1,000,000 years would it be trout.
I think the player to be named later has to be Trout because that is the only way this trade makes sense. Unless the Dbacks really want to cut payroll significantly this makes no sense without Trout as the ptbnl.
They got no good offers from anyone else. They asked way to much and wanted a major league pitcher plus prospects in return. Yankees would not trade Joba.
Then they should have held onto him and then trade him at the next deadline when he is pitching better or when his babip and HR/FB% regress his career norms. If Trout isn’t the ptbnl this is a huge failure for the D’backs.
It’s Trout, has to be. They would never move Haren for that package if Trout wasn’t the PTBNL. Good trade for both sides.
“Good trade for both sides”Don’t assume, it makes an ass out of you and me. If Reagins traded Trout, he should be canned on the spot.
HATE TO SAY I TOLD U SO BUT I TOLD U SOOOOO!!! GO LOOK AT MY POSTS IN THE ALBERTO CALLASPO POST AND I SAID “ANGELS WILL TRY AND GET DAN HAREN!!”
Call us when you can say you predicted the Angels would actually get him for a package built around Joe Saunders.
Hey I’m just saying that I predicted the Angels would attempt getting him, its impossible for anyone to predict who will be traded. And yes if asked about a package I would have said Saunders was the most likely to go because he was a part of a possible Halladay deal last season. So obviously the Angels felt that they could and wanted to move Saunders in any potential deal for an ace.
You predicted that a contender that didn’t already trade for Cliff Lee would attempt to get him. That’s like predicting gravity will pull down.
Actually no i didnt! go read my postt under Angels acquire Callaspo and you will read:
“I think this is better than jamming a ton of top tier talent for Fielder or Dunn. I actually think that now that Arizona has made it open that Haren is available, the Angels will make a strong push at acquiring him. It has been made clear in the past that the Angels admire him and they would have the money to sign him to a long term deal. Not to mention they wouldnt need to worry about the transition to the AL because haren has played there before.
You cant plug one leak with the best glue available and leave the rest of the holes to leak….youll still have a problem. Your better off using some good glue and plugging multiple holes. ”
1) You still didn’t rebut my point that it’s a non-statement to say a contender would make a push for Haren. Of course the Angels would.
2) If you think the ability to sign Haren long term is a factor, you’re not actually paying attention. He’s locked up below market rate for two more years, plus an affordable option year. That’s a big part of his value.
1. Well most people dont consider the Angels a “contender” with Texas 6 games up. How many “contenders” have publicy pushed the D’Backs for Dan Haren year after year. Sorry but I havent read any posts anywhere else that have even considered the Angels a possibility, in fact it seems to me that every where i look people wrote the angels off because of their weak farm system.
2. Just because a player is locked up for two years doesnt mean that they are necessary attractive. In fact do you think many teams would deal for Oswalt should they be forced to pick up his option….no…..why? because its too expensive. When we talk about teams that can afford to keep a player with large salary 2 years or even longer than that, we are really talking about the Angels, Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies and maybe the Mets and Dodgers. For many other teams including Texas, that second year of money would not be attactive. Although it is below market value, its still a high dollar amount for numerous teams. And yes, I still believe the Angels look at this thinking they could potentially lock him up long term without having to compete with the Yankees or Red Sox.
Haren is three years younger than Oswalt, his skills haven’t gone into decline like Oswalt (he just has a fluke homer spike this year), and his contract is below market value, instead of above. The two are not analogous.
Not even what I’m trying to say, what I’m saying is that a “contender” isnt instantly going to acquire a player because he is getting payed under value. They also have to be able to afford a contract whether its six months or six years. They have to ensure that they are making a profit and not a loss. Profit comes first winning comes second no matter what team u are.
You cant be traded until 1 year after being drafted, that’s why Trout is the PTBNL.
Except Trout signed over a year ago AND can be traded. Post erroneous info less. THX
Trout was drafted over a year ago, but he didnt sign until august.
He signed over a year ago (approx June 12, 2009). Check your facts at the door?
This seems very similar to the Scott Kazmir trade … Acquiring a young established starter that is under contract for a few years.
I like this very much from the Angels stand point, but it doesn’t really make sense for the snakes. Considering the DBacks gave up six premium prospects to acquire Haren. Its hard to see how the DBacks got better with this trade in the short term or the long term.
Because Kazmir worked out so well didn’t he? Also, Haren is 30 years ago. Hardly young.
The wheels had fallen off Kazmir. Haren’s had a fluke home run spike while his other peripherals are outstanding.
Shows how much all these insiders like Heyman are actually let on. This came out of nowhere.
Jon Heyman at it again:
sounds like #dbacks did well getting saunders and 3 top prospects. will choose 4th player from short list “
It seems like the Phillies could have come up with about 10 better packages than that. My guess is either teams are truly conconerned that this year’s Dan Haren is the real Dan Haren of the future, or that the Phillies are getting close to Oswalt and they prefer Oswalt.
A LOT of teams could have come up with better, including the @#$%ing Angels!
As a Phils fan I don’t want Oswalt. He’s a diva and has no desire to play for the Phillies. Let him rot in Houston with Ed Wade and Bret Myers. Good Luck.
its not that he has no desire to pitch with the phillies, he just wants his option picked up who wouldnt want that? with the recent sweep of the rockies i think they still need oswalt to make the final push to the playoffs.
Apparently, Oswalt is willing to re-negotiate if St. Louis is his next destination. That isn’t the case if Philly were to be the team. At least that’s what has been posted on here the past week or two…
Worst trade by an interim GM since Kazmir for Zambrano. What does Reagins have pictures of Jerry DiPoto doing? It has to be bad.
What a great deal for the Angels. Almost as much of a steal when the Mets stole Santana. Oswalts value has just dropped significantly.
It’s way more of a steal (depending on the PTBNL). Haren’s already under contract and doesn’t require a ludicrous extension. Gomez was at least a Top 100 MLB prospect, and Humber was a former #3 overall pick in the draft who people hoped could rebound from Tommy John (obviously, he didn’t).
The Angels just bought a Mercedes for the price of a tricycle.
Im calling the Mets trade a steal because none of those players are even with the Twins anymore. Nor did they even contribute. Pretty bad when you trade away the best pitcher in the game right before the final year of his contract. At least the Twins can spend now that they are removed from the Metrodome.
I also think Haren was a steal also.
Guerra is still in the organization, and Mulvey was flipped for Rauch while Gomez was flipped for Hardy.
Two years of Hardy, 1.33 of Rauch, and Deolis Guerra’s not much of a return still though, agreed. They’d have been better off with draft picks, or just taking a package of Ellsbury + trash or Lester + trash. Oh well.
Still think this trade’s going to end up being worse overall. The Angels still got an ace-caliber pitcher with a team friendly contract over the next three years without moving anything significant. We’ll see who the PTBNL is, but this is pretty dismal right now for D’Backs fans.
Wait, so the Angles have had both Tim Salmon and Mike trout? Omega threes the way to be
Wow i don’t know what the Yanks final offer was but it had to be better than what the D’backs got for Haren.
I bet the D’backs were trying to accomodate Haren’s requests. He wanted to stay on the West Coast, ect. Haren should be a happy camper. The Angels are a bunch of games out of 1st and if they don’t make the playoffs he won’t be at fault. If he were to go elsewhere there would surely be a ton of pressure on him…
Oh i know. I’m a Yanks fan obviously and baseball altogether but its looking more and more like Lee will sign with the yanks cause they give him security and hes friends with 2/5 of the rotation. Plus if CC doesn’t opt out thats more incentive.
Anyone but the Yankees!
Dan Haren traded to LA for Junk. Angels lose nothing and gain a great pitcher, epic fail for Arizona.
Garrett Richards as the PBTNL? Just guessing here… when did he sign last year? Any Angels fans remember when it was announced?
Well maybe the Angels can take the Wild Card…
With the Yankees,Rays and the Redsox?Don’t think so,but nice deal for the Angels.
Yanks will now for sure be throwing the kitchen sink at Lee in the offseason.
Yeah it’s basically a lock that the Yanks get Lee for the rest of his career. It makes alot of sense.
WHAT????????????????????????? this was unexpected
Actually Oswalts price might of just gone up. If the teams that wanted Haren are desperate for a pitcher now they will pay more for Oswalt. He is having a better year too (minus yesterdays start) So it could go down to a biddding war between 3-5 teams on who will pay the most. The Astros I am sure are happy that Haren is off the board so now their pitcher is the most coveted
i’d have to say that it might force the astros to take whatever is on the table, now that they know what the return is on a pitcher who is at least oswalt’s equal if not better
No I think you have it backwards. There’s no other quality arms on the table and Ed has 6 days to gather offers. It’s not like one of the teams who were interested in Roy O just got Haren, it’s was a wild card. So that leaves one quality arm and 2, 3 or 4 teams (depending on who you ask) that really wants to acquire a big time pitcher within the next 6 days.
If Ed Wade can be patient (and there’s no reason to believe he will lol) he could do better than Haren and probably not as well as Lee, especially considering the year Haren is having and the similar contract stats/career stats.
Who though? Astros seem loathe to trade him to STL, LAD doesn’t want to take on money (and don’t have a great prospect pool), Yanks haven’t been interested in Oswalt the whole time…who else is looking for a TOR starter? Maybe the Twins, but they haver been metioned at all since Lee. Maybe another dark horse like the Angels…bt of those who have been reported scouting Oswalt, there doesn’t seem to be another real possible match besides the Phils.
EDIT: I missed the note saying the Yanks had a scout watch Oswalt last night…so they could be another possibility.
All I know is as a diehard, educated Phillies fan( I know there are very few)…I DO NOT WANT OSWALT. He’s wayyyyy overpaid for a guy that got shelled last night and will continue to get shelled on occassion. NOT worth a few million short of our boy Roy Halladay. Unfortunately, Ruben Amaro makes ALL the wrong moves and will probably deal for Mr. Oswalt who is well past his prime. : (
?? Oswalt is older and has this chip on his shoulder like he’s Roy Halladay. The guy just got shelled last night. Clearly that shows his inconsistency. Haren is/was more valuable. He’s younger, hasn’t hit his “prime”, and doesn’t have a diva ego like Mr. Oswalt. He’s the ace on a terrible team…what an accomplishment…
how? haren is cheaper, younger, and locked into a deal for longer. he’s certainly more valuable. not to mention that it’s completely a toss-up as to who is actually a better pitcher.
Trout is reportedly not on the short list.
What a bad package…robbery
wow…this is a HUGE steal for the angels….hopefully ed wade dumbs down a bit and gives the phils a nice discount for oswalt
I don’t want Oswalt. He doesn’t want to play in Philly so screw that.
It’s not going to be Trout. Bourjos or Conger are most likely.
If Dustin Moseley can find himself on the Yankees, and even competing for their 5th starter role… then, you can count on just about every Angels player having good trade value. I mean, we all know their playoff history. How do their players not have trade value? Great move for a rotation leading MLB in Innings Pitched.
“The player to be named later is a top prospect, a source tells Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic (via Twitter). They will choose the PTBNL from a short list, tweets Jon Heyman of SI, but it won’t include 2009 first-round selection Mike Trout, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo (via Twitter).”
So no trout, BUT a TOP PROSPECT??? hmm…
I believe that will be thlist… Bourjos may also be thrown in there.
“#Diamondbacks official says two of three prospects are “outstanding” – Corbin and PTBN. #MLB”
LOL Corbin is a C+ prospect at best.
This is a great deal for Dan Haren and the Angels organization. Haren wanted to stay on the west coast and the Angels needed a legit pitcher to take the pressure off of the rest of the rotation. I still don’t see them catching the Rangers. As a Phils fan I’m pretty depressed that we couldn’t pull this off. Looks like it’s Oswalt and his $16M option or bust. Very disappointed. Haren is my kinda guy. Oswalt is not….
i bet that it could be a draft pick from last year who they are waiting to reach the one year no -trade deadline
possibly grichuk, skaggs, or richards. thoughts?
KLaw is saying that the D-back like Skaggs in the 09′ Draft.
Besides Trout, Here is prob the list they are picking from
Definitely think its Skaggs
Is Dayton Moore consulting for the D Backs now?
Angels just pretty much robbed the D-Backs. Very nice trade. Props to the Angels GM.
Act of desperation.
Well, Haren will probably face the Red Sox on Tuesday or Wednesday. Figuring they lost today, and are now 8 out, by Tuesday or Wednesday that number could grow to 10. Call it a season? Sorry for the forward thinking. Let’s go Yanks.
Its 7 with with 7 games left against Texas. With 61 games remaining a lot can happen.
It’s 7 games out with 11 left against Texas (3 this weekend, 3 in Anaheim in September, and 4 to in Texas to close out the season).
Acctually, I’m an idiot. 3, 3, and 4 would be 10 left against Texas
This is definately a win especially without giving up Trout. Yes Dan Haren’s numbers arent the best right now but perhaps he gave up on a team who never wins. lol. Change of scenery could be a good thing. If they dont have to give up Conger or Reckling this will be an absolute steal for sure. Even should they give up Conger its kind of a steal figuring the angels have Napoli, Mathis, Wilson, Budde at that possition and all major league ready.
It’s Skaggs. He was signed less than a year ago on 8-7-09.
D-Backs commentators said the PTBNL is going to be a pitcher…..
First off, congrats to the Angels and to Cashman. Angels for obvious reasons and to Cashman for holding your ground and not trading Joba, Hector Noesi/Ivan Nova AND Delin Betances. Of course none of those guys may ever turn out to be anything but I think Betances and Noesi can be FOR pitchers and Nova is a solid prospect as well. W/o knowing who the PTBNL is, it would seem the Angels robbed the Dbacks and did it all w/o the use of a firearm.
I don’t really understand the deal from the Dbacks situation.
A) It seems like they were intent on tacking on Qualls and Snyder to any deal. That doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen.
B) Even though Saunders has accomplished more than any of the prospects involved, you pretty much know what you’re going to get him from him and it’s nothing great. He’s at best a #3 or #4 type of pitcher. Add to the fact that he’s already 29 yo, is in his 2nd year of arbitration and only under control for two more seasons and this makes me really scratch my head. I think the packages offered by the Yanks and Tigers were far better than the one the Angels offered.
Corbin seems like a good prospect albeit w/ limited showing. Rodriguez doesn’t look particularly special. I know that prospect ranking are fluid and can change from Jan to June to September but it doesn’t appear that Rodriguez was on anyone’s top 10 organizational list and Corbin may or not have made the top 5 organization list mid-season.
Yet, Joba, Nova, Phelps, Betances, McAllister, Noesi, Porcello and Turner all have decent resumes or were farely hyped. It seems like they were really demanding a lot from the Yanks and Tigers and then accepted a lot less. Odd.
D-backs got screwed… saunders will get eaten up in the desert. PTBNL conger?
Angels move Wood for Overbay now! After this the Angels will have put themselves in a position to win this division. Jays will pay all that salary.
I would be fine with that I suppose. Wood has potential and maybe with a change of scenery, he may turn it around.
Brandon Wood has an OBP of .185. He’s a career AAA player. Pass.
So you would prefer having Overbay for the rest of the year? I don’t think the Jays will get anything of real value for him. Wood is out of options and the Angels seem to have given up on him. This is a former top prospect that showed tremendous power at every stage of the minors.
It’s not that bad to have Overbay for the rest of the year IMO. He helps out the pitchers with his fantastic defense and he is a good mentor for Wallace who will be called-up in September if Overbay is not traded.
Didn’t realize Wood is out of options.
First Scherzer and Schlereth for Edwin, and now this? Dang, talk about giving up a lot for a little. Kinda glad I’m not living in Phoenix anymore, although being a Tigers fan right now isn’t great either. Haha
WOW… The Angels got a steal here. Sure Saunders is good, but Haren is better. Good deal Angels.ANGELS Haren + Callapso > RANGERS Lee?What you guys think?
But Saunders isn’t good. And no Haren+Callapso is not better than Lee.
Saunders is ok… Enough to be in the big leagues.
Lee does not fair well at the rangers ballpark. Also note Lee will soon be leaving Texas and Smoak left a hole in their lineup. Vlad looks to be cooling off and everyone knows Texas’s bullben is over worked.
Its going to be a close race.
not better than Lee, but they make certainly make it closer than it was.
What I was thinking.
Yeah, but the rest of the Rangers team is superior to the Angels team.
I still think Rangers take it. It might get closer, but Rangers take it in the end.
Oh of course. I expect the Rangers to get to the ALCS.
I’ll take a guess with Congar is the player to be named later.
Can’t Conger be traded?
Yes… is there a reason why Conger can’t be traded?
Looks like Skaggs is the ptbnl
I would love AA to get Brandon Wood.. could be our solution at third
Could be a bust.. oh wait he is.
“Brandon Wood” and “solution” should not be uttered in the same sentence.
that what they traded to get haren. lol. top three alone better than there package
Any of the top three as an individual would be better than the return.
The PTBNL has to be Wood.. they picked up Callaspo because Wood was doing nothing. It wouldn’t be Conger because Miguel Montero is already doing pretty good batting.
Congrats LA, you made two steals of trades in the same week. Dumping deadweight for an above-average 3B and an ace starter. Smart dealing.
Collapso is NOT an above-average 3B.
Compared to Wood? 😛
Any 3B is better than Wood.
.275 batting average with 8 homerunes… 41 doubles last year. I’ll give him above average
The key to this trade is the Angels pick up Haren’s whole contract, this was the problem dealing haren even the Yankees were not willing to take on Haren entire contract and give up a top prospect of a guy like Joba.
Joe Saunders will make $6 million next year.. nice salary dump Arizona!
Haren’s contract is NOT bad, at all.
This is a guy who’s never hit the DL, and has put up phenomenal seasons for the last FIVE YEARS prior to 2010. 2010 is a down year, but its likely he rebounds, VERY likely. And, its more bad luck than loss of skill/injury.
If he had hit free agency ever, he would’ve been locked down to an AJ Burnett type contract. The only reason pundits don’t see him as one of the best pitchers in baseball is because he’s never played for a big market team.
lol wow, Diamondbacks. Wow.
Yankees: Swing and a miss. Strike two!
They’re holding out for Lee at the end of this season. Trust me. Take my word…they’re going to deal for Ted Lilly and then make a un-matchable offer to Cliff Lee after the season. When they sign Cliff Lee, the rotation of CC Sabathia, Cliff Lee, AJ Burnett, Andy Pettite and Phil Hughes will be freakin’ ridiculous. Poor AL East.
That’s my gut feeling. The Yankees saying they wouldn’t deal top prospects, especially for an area of strength, yet willing to part with Montero for Lee…that means they want him bad. If hearsay means anything, it sounds like Cliff wants to come to NY too so it sounds like a match. But as the botched deal showed, nothing is final til it’s final. I’m hoping for it though.
I don’t know if the Yankees really need a pitcher right now. I know they’ve got Hughes Rules but as long as they monitor his pitch count during the games, I don’t know if the innings are that important. We saw how the Joba Rules backfired and how Joba is a shell of his ’07 self. He just looks lost out there. (OT, I think he’s done as a Yankee. He needs a change of scenery).
Hopefully they can shift their focus to the ‘pen now and pick up some pieces like last year to round out their bench.
How was it a swing and a miss? Lee was a blindside (Survivor ref) but Haren was more of the Yankees seeing if the D-Backs would bite. Everyone knew the D-Backs would trade Haren so the Yankees through out a decent offer.
With Pettitte only a few weeks away, they didn’t *NEED* Haren so all he ever was was a luxury. I’d rather have Lee next season than Haren now.
You probably right. Mitre will be a fine replacement for Pettitte and will fill in admirably for Hughes when he runs out of innings. Bwahahahahaha!
Maybe, maybe not. Mitre, Mosley, Gaudin, Nova will likely be given shots at Pettitte’s spot (short term) and Hughes’ spot (later on). The belief is that Hughes Rules innings limit is around 160 innings. He ended today at 106.0 innings on the year. So, even if they were to let him go 6.0 innings each start, he still has 9 more starts in him. He’s started 17, so figure he’ll make 26 starts this year. That’s 9-10 starts left the Yankees have to fill.
Am I comfortable with Mitre/Mosley/Gaudin/Nova starting those games? No, not really but with this offense the pitchers don’t need to be perfect, they just have to keep them in the game. Who knows, one of these guys might catch lightning and pitch well. Thats why they play the game.
So, the Yankees don’t NEED to trade away the farm for what equates to about 10 starts, barring any(more) injuries.
This trade blows my mind. The only semi-justifiable reasons to trade a pitcher of Haren’s caliber who is signed to a below market deal would be to 1. Get ride of the whole contract and take little money back and 2. Get Young high upside guys for when you are ready to contend in 3 years.
The return they got for Haren is sub par and also lacks direction. They got a bad pitcher entering his age 30 season next year who is only under control for 2 years and will cost 6-7 million next year and an underwhelming 26 year old reliever as major pieces of the package. Saunders will most certainly be gone when the Dbacks contend, and Rodriguez may be a middle reliever on the squad at that time if they are lucky.
To Couple those 2 players with the headliner, who is presumably Skaggs, a 19 year old pitcher in A ball makes little sense to me. I wouldn’t have gotten a package of all 19 year olds, but the entire package should have been based around guys who will get to the big leagues within a season or 2 of one another so the majority of their team control will be served together on what hopefully will be a contending team.
To only get 1 top 10 prospect from the Angels (and only 1 other guy who can be considered a prospect), as well as taking on Saunders and his arbitration raises is a major failure for the Dbacks. I feel for their fans.
IMHO this trade was obviously not the best deal that AZ had on the table. They chose to accomodate Haren’s request to stay on the West Coast, which is classy but obviously will have many scratching their heads. I thought Haren would be a great fit in Philadelphia or St. Louis but I have a feeling he wasn’t thrilled to make such a big move even for a chance at a World Series. I’m a huge Haren fan and hope he leads the Halos into the playoffs. I just don’t see them catching the Rangers, especially with the addition of Lee.
It’s a move to help them contend next season while staying respectable this season. If they can add either Crawford or Weth in the off-season then it would be a pretty good team with Morales coming back (I think Matsui is off the books). They can full time DH Napoli and have Mathis as a full-time catcher. Add a decent reliever or two and you have a contending team.
If the Halos plan on adding an OFer, then Abreu will probably be full time DH since he, Rivera, and Hunter are still all on the books for next season.
Sir you have echoed the very words I was going to say and some of what I said previously. Even if Skaggs is part of this deal he still doesn’t rank as a FOR type of guy. With the Dbacks basically being non-contenders for the next 2 years this deal makes no sense as Sanders probably won’t be part of the team then. So that leaves the prospects as the possible fruit to bare. Neither Skaggs nor Corbin appear to be top 5 organizational guys from the Angels. It seems that Skaggs is a projectable arm at this point but lacks the make up TODAY to be considered the prize of this trade.
As for the fan who wrote “Yankees: Swing and a miss. Strike two”! Swing and miss only if the Yanks were desperate and caved in to giving up Joba plus some combo of Nova, Noesi, Phelps and Betances AND assuming all of Haren’s contract. That’s an overpay, especially considering what the Dbacks ended up with.
I would say they are both top 5 prospects in the Angels organization after the season they’ve been having. Pre-season rankings are no longer valid, especially for young pitchers who barely had any time in the minors prior to this year.
You would say wrong then.
Neither are top 5 pitching prospects for the Angels – although I like Skaggs a lot.
No way did they take into account Haren’s preferences.. That’s what no trade clauses in players contracts are for.. Dbacs got hosed on this deal..
Fans of the Astros better get real and realize the big haul your looking to get for Oswalt isn’t gonna happen unless Houston continues to write his checs.
Guarantee you they accomodated Haren’s request to stay on the West Coast. There were probably 3-4 better offers on the table.
So of he 12 teams he approves of in his limited no trade clause in his contract,this is the best deal they were able to make? Seriously? Im no DBaccs fan although I did admire the organization and park when I visited last season but daam. After Seattle got Smoak for Lee I expected the Dbaccs to get something for Haren..Joe Saunders lol
Was there a no-trade clause in Haren’s contract? I didn’t see it listed on Cots.
Yes. I believe I read that he could refuse trades to 12 teams. Tigers and Twins were on that list. I don’t know who the others were.
Ok…maybe Haren turned down a trade to the teams that came with better offers? There’s got to be a legit reason why they settled on the deal with LA or else they’ve made a mistake IMO.
At least publicly he seemed pretty like he had no issues waiving it if he was going to a contender. He could be Oswalting behind closed doors, but I don’t think that is the case.
He had a limited no trade, 10 or 12 teams this year (I forget) and it went down to 8 teams next year.
No way to rate this trade until Skaggs and Corbin perform in AZ. Also AZ could trade Saunders at next year’s trade deadline especially if he performs well in the weaker NL. Come to think of it, AZ could trade Saunders before THIS year’s trade deadline.
Do you think player preference had any influence on this deal?? Absolutely…
On another note….
23 year old AAA pitcher Ivan Nova goes 9-2 today and lowers his era to 2.97 but 23 year old AA pitcher Hector Noesi gets hammerd and is now 11-4 w/ a era around 2.50. I think Betances, the ummm…22 year old pitcher in A+ goes tomorrow. He’s 5-1 w/ a 1.60 ERA in 9 starts this year. As long as CC, AJ, JAvier Vazquez, Pettite and Hughes stay strong I think the Yanks will be ok not getting Haren.
They’ll be ok with Lee this off-season. Sorry YF78, I just had to.
I think its pretty safe to say that the Dbacks didn’t pull a Jack Z and bring the Angels offer to the Yanks in order to get them to beat it.
Kendrick, Hall, and DiPoto should all be ashamed of themselves.
I hate being a D’Backs fan, but I can’t stop.
It’s like a slow motion train wreck, you just can’t turn away.
Man, I feel bad for D’backs fans.
My take on the deal, being a Diamondbacks’ fan, is that it seems a little light. Maybe needing to shed the salary was the reason for it but I have a feeling that the no trade clause played just as large a role. The need to clear the contract definitely instigated the trade but I think Detroit could have offered a better a package had Haren allowed it, I know that some say he would have waived the clause but I’m not sure. Now with the deal itself, even though it is probably a little light it don’t think it’s the worst thing in the world. Saunders is not great but he was a first round pick and an all-star so he has the potential to do it again especially in the NL West. Rafael Rodriguez isn’t Francisco Rodriguez but he is a warm body for the bullpen and God knows the Snakes need some of those. They can help for a couple of years in a very win able division (no see Padres). As for the two A-ball pitchers they excite me especially in a system that is completely devoid of pitching.
I will miss watching Haren and I wish him luck. This deal sure as hell is not a win but isn’t the complete loss that some might make it out to be especially when considering the position the Diamondbacks are in.
Why would the Diamondbacks even allow this trade? It’s Joe Freaking Saunders…!
Meanwhile, Ken Rosenthal was guaranteeing Haren to the Yankees. Shows how much these insiders really know
Ken Rosenthal loves the Yankees.
Sensible Yankee fans do not love Ken Rosenthal. I’d probably smack the taste out of his mouth if i ever met him.
DiPoto’s comments on the trade:
on Saunders: “I believe it’s a .630 winning percentage in his major league career. ”
on Corbin: “all he’s done is go out and lead the minor leagues in wins”
I didn’t know Joe Morgan was the GM for the DBacks.
You have to realize that the people who live in Arizona and thus by tickets are mainly older people and older people tend to like to use older stats like wins, so just because DiPoto is using wins as a justification does not mean that is why he made the trade it is just some solace for the older fans.
I was not hoping for a trade of Dan Haren. I worry about the mileage on his arm and his contract is still significant. Any move right now to only help the Angels in ’10 is shortsighted.
That said, this is a very smart move. Regardless of how they do in ’10, Haren is a solid pitcher who will slide in nicely with Weaver, Santana, and Pineiro. Now, if Kazmir can just remember how to pitch …
The key to the deal is Skaggs. If he pitches to expectations, the D-Backs could have a very solid starter in the bigs in the next 3 years. However, that’s a lot of ifs and this deal just does not seem strong enough.
Saunders gets a bad rap. However, this year just seems to be the last straw. The guy needs to stop nibbling around the corners and go after hitters. If he can do this, AZ will be pleasantly surprised at what Joe can do for them (ERA in the low 4’s).
I know you’re an Angels fan but wouldn’t you agree that the Dbacks had to at least get 1 guy who stood out and had a decent chance at being a #1 or #2 type of pitcher? Corbin looks good on paper but Skaggs seems more like a projectable arm moreso than a reasonably advanced prospect. It just seems that they (AZ) failed to get at least 1 guy who they can really “sell” as the centerpiece of this deal.
Also, I’m not sure who these “unnamed” sources are speaking on behalf of the AZ front office but it was said they wanted 2 major league or near major league ready top pitchers. Saunders is an ok MOR guy who won’t serve any real purpose other than to eat innings over the next 2 years and it seems as if Corbin (20 @ A+ w/ 165 career IP) and Skaggs (18 @ low A w/ 92 career IP) are probably 2 or 3 years away from being mlb ready. So if THEY defined what they wanted to get in a deal then it seems they fell way short of netting their demands. And even if this were a salary dump then why take Sanders back, unless they plan on trading him for a nother low level prospect.
I really, really don’t like the Diamondbacks FO right now, for multiple reasons. Horrible, horrible trade for Arizona. (and great trade for the Angels).
The big homer one being, I can’t root for Dan Haren anymore.
Bad stuff happens when you have ownership meddling in baseball operations.
Of course, they had to make this deal right as the Red Sox come into town. What spot is he taking in the rotation?
Id guess Wednesday… so it would go weaver, Haren, Pinero, Santana, and _________
Angels may go with a 4 man rotation soon too.
WOW.Holy crap, that’s a excellent haul for Haren.
Also, for a salary dump, they got some pretty decent players.
That is a joke, right?
Wow. What a one sided trade. The Angels instantly got better for this stretch run and for the next few years without giving up anyone who has any actual value. What were the Dbacks thinking?
Good move by the Angles !!!!! They are one big bat away from being a good team.
Did you forget about the bullpen or are you expecting them to pitch CG’s?
Haren is starting today and everyone else is getting pushed back a day. Haren, Weaver, Piniero, Santana, Kazmir. That’s an awesome rotation if Kazmir can return to pre-2009 (or 2009 with the Angels) form.
The only question is what will this cost in terms of opportunities, we add $5m to our payroll this year and another $4m next year. It’s worth it, but could prevent us going for a big bat – lots of players getting a raise next year. If only Kendry were healthy.
damn I was hoping the Tigers would trade for him. Now they are going to have to overpay for Lilly, de La Rosa, or Vazquez in the offseason.