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Indians Acquire Derek Lowe

By Tim Dierkes | October 31, 2011 at 11:38am CDT

We have our first trade of the 2011-12 offseason!  The Indians acquired Derek Lowe from the Braves, tweets John Kreger.  The Braves will pay all but $5MM of Lowe's $15MM salary, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney.  Olney says the Braves will receive 23-year-old High-A lefty reliever Chris Jones in return for Lowe.  Baseball Prospectus' Kevin Goldstein provides a quick scouting report.

Lowe

Lowe, 38, posted a 5.05 ERA, 6.6 K/9, 3.4 BB/9, 0.67 HR/9, and 59% groundball rate in 187 innings this year for Atlanta.  Lowe's Braves career ended on a sour note, as his 8.75 September ERA contributed to their collapse.  Still, his groundball rate ranked second in all of baseball.  Lowe signed a four-year, $60MM deal with the Braves in January of 2009.  

With Lowe, Justin Masterson, and Fausto Carmona, the Indians' rotation now has three of MLB's top seven in 2011 groundball rate.  Ubaldo Jimenez and Josh Tomlin are also penciled in, with Carlos Carrasco down for Tommy John surgery.

For the Braves, the benefit is $5MM in much-needed salary relief for a pitcher otherwise projected for middle relief on their 2012 club.  The Braves and Indians last matched up on a trade in July of 2006, when the Tribe sent reliever Bob Wickman to Atlanta for Max Ramirez.

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181 Comments

  1. Joseph Cecala

    14 years ago

    Let the Offseason Begin!

    Reply
    • Jakmagic

      14 years ago

      The Indians rotation looks better than alot of teams. I dont know if I would be jumping for joy over D. Lowe! I guess if they didnt really give up anything and are getting him at a discounted price, then whatever. Lowe was a clog in the Braves rotation with Delgado Teheran, and Minor waiting to make an impact at the MLB level. Indians really need to look for some quality names to provide some offense.

      Reply
  2. TartanElk

    14 years ago

    I hope he doesn’t run into any trouble driving to Cleveland…

    In all seriousness, however, this is quite surprising.

    Reply
    • chico65

      14 years ago

      No kidding.  I knew Lowe’s stock had dropped, but a single A ball reliever in return- with the Braves also kicking in 10 mil?  Astonishing. 

      Reply
      • jwsox

        14 years ago

        Agreed. It’s hard to believe there was not a better deal out there.

        Reply
      • rundmc1981

        14 years ago

        Astonishing? ATL GM Wren publicly said Lowe would NOT make the 2012 Opening Day rotation. This is a $15M pitcher. We have guys making the league min that pitch twice as good as him (Delgado, Teheran, Minor, etc.). Considering we couldn’t unload Kawakami’s $8M (from 2010) after he was given the franchise Scarlet Letter and demoted to Double-A, I’m surprised we were able to get a decent prospect and not have to fork over the remaining $5M. I’m happy. Take him.

        Reply
    • Lastings

      14 years ago

      The Indians seem to have an affection with DUI guys. Choo, Kearns, now Lowe. Now they need Nick Nolte in the front office.

      Reply
      • Jakmagic

        14 years ago

        D. Lowe what, why, how?

        Reply
        • tomymogo

          14 years ago

          this year

          Reply
          • Jeff 31

            14 years ago

            He was found not guilty.

            Reply
            • Mack22

              14 years ago

              Yeah and if you look at the video the GA Troopers were all messed up.

              Reply
      • eyedessert

        14 years ago

        They can also bring in Ricky “Wild Thing” Vaughn.

        Reply
  3. bigpat

    14 years ago

    Huh??? Talk about coming out of left field, this is crazy!!! First trade of the offseason, I love it, didn’t even know teams were allowed to trade yet. 

    Reply
    • JcHc3in1

      14 years ago

       They were never NOT allowed to make trades.

      Reply
    • start_wearing_purple

      14 years ago

      Teams are allowed to trade whenever. Remember last year the Jays traded for Miguel Olivo right before they needed to decide on his option. They elected pay the buyout and get a draft pick.

      Reply
      • Jeff 30

        14 years ago

        I think this is false.  I believe they can’t begin trading until the day after the world series.  I mean, they can trade up until that point, but it would have to be a waiver-trade, right?

        Reply
        • start_wearing_purple

          14 years ago

          Why? Waiver trades simply allow players to be eligible for the postseason roster. A straight up trade can be done any time but if it’s done while your team is in the hunt between August 1st and the end of the season then that player isn’t postseason eligible.

          Reply
          • Jeff 30

            14 years ago

            So why didn’t the Red Sox trade (for example) $2 million to the O’s for the rights to Jeremy Guthrie for September?  At the end of September they would trade him back to the O’s and they would make the playoffs by having another SP to throw out there.

            What’s stopping teams from doing that?

            Reply
            • start_wearing_purple

              14 years ago

              The fact that the Orioles would have never made that trade since they’d have no way to get Guthrie back.

              Reply
              • Jeff 30

                14 years ago

                You can make a trade with a clause that the player gets traded back on a specified date.  It’s a legal transaction like any other and clauses can be added.

                Reply
                • start_wearing_purple

                  14 years ago

                  The comissioner’s office would never approve.

                  Reply
                  • Jeff 30

                    14 years ago

                    I suppose that’s true.  My point is it would make more sense if no trades were allowed between the waiver deadline and the end of the world series, right?

                    Reply
                    • JcHc3in1

                      14 years ago

                       Why put in a rule that they can’t happen when they so rarely happen anyway?

                      Reply
                • JcHc3in1

                  14 years ago

                  LOL! When was the last time you saw something like that happen? What if Guthrie had gotten hurt?

                  Reply
                  • Jeff 30

                    14 years ago

                    I mean that’s pretty much my argument.  There are limitations on when and how trades are done.  I think no trades can occur after the waiver deadline because there’s no way of stopping teams from doing ridiculous things like what I proposed.  No?

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                    • JcHc3in1

                      14 years ago

                      Yeah, THAT’S the reason.  Wait, no it’s not. Trades CAN occur after the waiver deadline, and actually have in the past, though they are few and far between.

                      Reply
        • ubercubsfan

          14 years ago

          Teams can trade whenever.  The waiver-trade deadline is the last time a player can be traded and still be eligible for the playoffs.  If a player is traded after they can still play for the team, just not for a playoff roster spot. 

          Reply
          • RubexCube1

            14 years ago

            Moves can be made at any time. The commish just doesnt want moves announced during the WS so the WS can be the entire focus

            Reply
  4. carlos 15

    14 years ago

    innings eater at best now. speaking of eating , how much did atlanta eat of his contract?

    Reply
    • Triple Hawpes Brewed

      14 years ago

      $10 of $15 mil

      Reply
      • John Bowman

        14 years ago

        And an unknown A-ball bullpen lefty to the Braves.

        Reply
        • Triple Hawpes Brewed

          14 years ago

          Chris Jones

          Reply
      • 2donaldo1

        14 years ago

        Still all I can say is “Yahoo”.

        Reply
  5. Braves_Fan

    14 years ago

    Receiving $1 of salary relief would be a win here for Wren. 

    Reply
    • Jonathan Howard

      14 years ago

      Not to mention opening a roster spot. In fact, as bad as Lowe was, it might have been in Wren’s interest to PAY someone $1 to take him.

      Reply
    • Taylor

      14 years ago

      Its really a win for everyone – the Indians get an ok pitcher in a pretty rough rotation, Braves free up some salary and avoid another KK problem with Lowe possibly missing the MLB roster, and Lowe gets to perform under the expectations of a 5mil pitcher instead of a 15mil guy (while still getting paid 15 mil).  Every body happy.

      Reply
  6. Michael Mulligan

    14 years ago

    So it begins…

    Reply
  7. tomymogo

    14 years ago

    Awesome…….For the Braves, now it’s you’re problem Indians

    Reply
    • chico65

      14 years ago

      I don’t know…I think as long as Indians fans keep their expectations Lowe they won’t be disappointed.

      Reply
  8. Vossome93

    14 years ago

    Congrats Braves fans.

    Reply
  9. WhenMattStairsIsKing

    14 years ago

    Um…random.

    Reply
  10. Dan

    14 years ago

    They’re totally gonna win a World Series now!

    Reply
  11. davidsonrva

    14 years ago

    Wren FTW

    Reply
  12. tomymogo

    14 years ago

    If they took 5 million of Lowe’s 15 million salary it is a miracle

    Reply
    • tomymogo

      14 years ago

      IT’S A MIRACLE

      Reply
      • Guest 6344

        14 years ago

        Cleveland Rocks

        Reply
  13. Phillies_Aces35

    14 years ago

    Nice way to start the off season. Good move by Atlanta, freeing up a spot for one of their young guys and saving some money.

    Reply
  14. Triple Hawpes Brewed

    14 years ago

    THERE IS A GOD!

    Reply
  15. Aaron S.

    14 years ago

    Unexpected. Thought I figured Lowe might be traded this winter, just not so soon and not to Cleveland. 

    I still don’t see why they brought back Carmona though, especially now. I thought they had enough options to fill out the rotation without him, even with Carrasco down for the year.

    Reply
    • LMTShawn

      14 years ago

      They brought back Carmona because his $7M price tag is more than reasonable in this day and age. Also, if they declined his option, he still would have been under team control through arbitration, which he may have made more than the $7M.

      Also, you can never have enough pitching, and you are going to have to rely on Jeanmar Gomez (whom I like), David Huff (who is terrible) and Zach McAllister (have no idea what you can count on with him). This gives them a guy you know what you’ll get; 180 innings and an ERA between 4.5 & 5 at the back end of the rotation.

      Reply
    • The_Porcupine

      14 years ago

      There aren’t going to be any other decent arms available on the free agent market that are going to be much cheaper than Carmona.

      Reply
  16. 0vercast

    14 years ago

    He’ll offer some veteran insight to the young Indians rotation.  I think it was a good pickup.

    Reply
    • Thomas Redmon

      14 years ago

      Give it time.

      Reply
    • Jeff 31

      14 years ago

      I don’t think he’s the type of veteran you’d want as an influence.  You’re going to end up a ton of popped collars…

      Seriously though, good pickup for the Indians- since DLowe pitches better in cold weather, and Braves get $5mil to help pickup a better SS or a decent LF, which are their two biggest holes, assuming Heyward doesn’t regress next year.

      Reply
  17. 101andcounting

    14 years ago

    Good move for the Indians too, I think. Lowe is hardly a stud pitcher, but he’s a dependable innings eater who gets a lot of groundballs. If they resign Carmona, their rotation is going to look pretty sturdy.

    Jimenez
    Masterson
    Lowe
    Carmona
    Tomlin

    Reply
    • notsureifsrs

      14 years ago

      they exercised carmona’s option yesterday. he and tomlin are weak, but the first three are solid

      Reply
      • Thomas Redmon

        14 years ago

        Did you miss the second half of Lowe’s season?  The only time his sinker sank was while it was going over the outfield fence.

        Reply
        • notsureifsrs

          14 years ago

          braves fans are scarred, i get it. but lowe isn’t as bad as you feel. FIP by month

          2.88
          4.56
          3.31
          3.28
          3.97
          4.38

          his true talent level is the last two rough months? mmk

          Reply
          • Brv Rocks

            14 years ago

            Most Braves fans hate Lowe though he has been a pretty good pitcher the last 3 seasons.  They don’t want to hear anything about BABIP or FIP. 

            Reply
            • rundmc1981

              14 years ago

              True, Lowe didn’t get run support some of the time, but the man wasn’t a consummate professional and was by far our worst pitcher. For someone that typically gets it done at the end of the season, he didn’t in 2011. Better dealing him now and getting something for him than letting him pitch (terribly) in 2012 and letting him bolt for free agency (good luck) in 2013. We have enough young pitchers to not worry about an innings eater. We don’t have the same needs as we did in 2007. Thank God.

              Reply
          • RiverKKiller999

            14 years ago

            I don’t get it…Braves fans are jumping up for joy with the trade. I don’t care what the FIP numbers say, he was still terrible. I don’t have to look at the numbers in order to define how good or bad he was. I watched him all season bro. 38 years old and isn’t going to get any better. He is just trash.

            Reply
            • diehardmets

              14 years ago

              So you’re just arbitrarily going to decide he was bad? That totally makes sense.

              It’s not like he’s an ace, and he’s certainly not worth his contract, but he’s a decent back of the rotation starter.

              Reply
              • YanksFanSince78

                14 years ago

                For $5 mil and a nothing prospect I would’ve taken a chance on him if I were most other teams incl the Yanks.

                Reply
                • DK8

                  14 years ago

                  That’s the head scratching part–for a 1 year 5 million dollar commitment, there should have been 10 teams interested, maybe more.  Lowe isn’t all that good, but is he is durable, and FIP/xFIP suggests he was unlucky last year.  Although, the Indians IF defense may not help change that luck.

                  Reply
            • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

              14 years ago

              I know, bro. Do you people even watch the games?

              Reply
      • Daniel Madden

        14 years ago

        tomlins had problems in the past but overall he’s a solid pitcher

        Reply
    • tomymogo

      14 years ago

      Just wait till you see him pitch. He pitched 187 innings in 34 starts that’s on average of 5.2 IP per start, and now he is 40.

      He never get’s injured, I’ll give you that, but had an ERA in the 5’s and pitched in a pitcher friendly ballpark and league

      Reply
      • $1529282

        14 years ago

        I don’t know of many extreme groundballers would thrive with an infield that included Dan Uggla and Chipper Jones behind him. Lowe had a 3.70 FIP last year. His defense killed him.

        Reply
        • tomymogo

          14 years ago

          And Alex Gonzalez and Freddy Freeman? Chipper wasn’t bad, and Uggla was surprisingly better than his rep would indicate. 

          Tim Hudson another groundball pitcher was 16-10 with a 3.22 ERA. Trust me, I saw the difference, Lowe is just old, can’t last 6 innings, a lot of walks, you could have 4 gold glovers out there and his ERA would still be over 4

          Reply
          • 2donaldo1

            14 years ago

            Plus I think he led the league in sweat. Dude was always drenched and he’s not exactly a max-effort pitcher.

            Reply
            • Jeff 31

              14 years ago

              He had a skin cancer scare early in his career, so he never wears short sleeves.  That’s why.

              Reply
          • notsureifsrs

            14 years ago

            chipper had a bad year defensively (-5 DRS, -5 +/-, -12 range) and so did uggla (-9 DRS, -3 +/-, -10 range)

            gonzalez was solid (15 DRS, 13 +/-, -6 range), but freeman was average at best (0 DRS, 0 +/-) and well below average at worst (-13 range)

            you are just flat wrong about lowe’s season

            Reply
            • tomymogo

              14 years ago

              If those stats say Freeman is a bad defensive player, I simply don’t believe those stats

              Reply
              • notsureifsrs

                14 years ago

                you and every other braves fan in love with the kid’s glove. but even if you watch every out of a season, range is very difficult to determine from casual observation

                he may have a bright future, but there isn’t a defensive metric (including b-r’s TZL) that rates his range above average in 2011

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              • TheHotCorner 2

                14 years ago

                I don’t think those stats say he is a “bad” defensive player but that he is “average”.  I think too many of my fellow Braves fans have fallen in love with the hype of what the “experts” say he will become.  I think he will become a solid player but give the kid time to grow.  How many kids his age are even in the majors.

                Reply
              • inkstainedscribe

                14 years ago

                I have no idea how to judge range factors, but it seemed to me that Freeman has great hands, excellent footwork around the bag, and very little range. He’ll prevent a lot of bad throws from becoming errors, but he’ll let a fair number of grounders that other 1B would reach become singles, too.

                Reply
              • DK8

                14 years ago

                The defensive stats are heavily dependent on range, which is not Freeman’s strength.  The reason the stats are heavily dependent on range is because it is really hard to quantify the effect of scoops/soft hands/etc.

                Reply
                • notsureifsrs

                  14 years ago

                  no, that is not why they emphasize range. they emphasize range because range is paramount (even at 1B). the softest hands in the world don’t matter at all if you can’t get to the ball

                  Reply
                  • TDKnies

                    14 years ago

                    Except 1B where, for the most part, people are throwing the ball to you.

                    Reply
                    • notsureifsrs

                      14 years ago

                      they throw the ball to you in addition to you having to field balls. it doesn’t make range any less important; it just adds a dimension

                      Reply
            • DK8

              14 years ago

              Using range to evaluate a 1B is not necessarily a good way to evaluate them, because it is the position that is least dependent on range. Besides, defensive stats over 1 season can be dramatically impacted by a few plays.

              Chipper and Uggla did not play good D, but you can’t just assume that their negative plays are uniformly distributed and that D. Lowe was on the mound for a proportional or greater number of those plays.  Therefore, you can’t just say that Lowe’s crappy season was due to bad D behind him without combining a scouting perspective.

              By the same token, it’s asinine to suggest that Lowe wouldn’t have been better with 4 great defenders behind him in the IF.

              It irritates me when people make definitive statements using stats where the truth is likely in shades of grey.

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              • notsureifsrs

                14 years ago

                in sum, each of the metrics accounts for plays made. soft hands and ‘scoop-ability’ are accounted for by these measures and need no special recognition

                a ball scooped for an out is not any more valuable than a ball caught in the chest. you are confusing a discussion about the value of a performance with a discussion about the the talent of a player. we’re only talking about the former here

                “you can’t just assume that their negative plays are uniformly distributed”

                no one did

                “you can’t just say that Lowe’s crappy season was due to bad D behind him”

                exclusively? no one did

                “By the same token, it’s asinine to suggest that Lowe wouldn’t have been better with 4 great defenders behind him in the IF.”

                to suggest it? no, you’d be insane not to suggest it

                it would be an overstatement to conclude it, definitely, based on the defensive metrics alone. but it is obviously probable that better infield defense leads to better results for a groundball pitcher over the course of a season. to challenge this idea would be eye-crossingly stupid

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    • jphenix2002

      14 years ago

      That rotation doesn’t scare anyone. If Jimenez AND Lowe bounce back they might be able to get by, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

      Reply
  18. alxn

    14 years ago

    I would’ve been down for paying the Indians $5M to take Lowe. Addition by subtraction for sure.

    That being said, solid pick-up for the Indians if he can eat some innings as a #4/5.

    Reply
  19. Mike Jo.

    14 years ago

    Olney says Braves ate $10 mill. Sounds like a good deal to me.

    Reply
  20. Mike Jo.

    14 years ago

    Olney says Braves ate $10 mill. Sounds like a good deal to me.

    Reply
    • chico65

      14 years ago

      You can say that again

      Reply
  21. Scott Hammond

    14 years ago

    I take this as a sign the Tribe don’t think they will be in a position to win next year and just need a guy to go stand out there every 5th day next season. Disappointing seeing them throw in the towel so early, but not too much since I’m a Tigers fan.

    Reply
    • start_wearing_purple

      14 years ago

      I don’t see it that way. If that was the case then they’d find any average AAA starter and pay him $300k instead of $5M. I’m guessing they see him as a potential reclamation project as a #5 pitcher who can also throw around 200 innings.

      Reply
    • gradylittle

      14 years ago

      I see this as a good move for the Tribe to be honest. They have a pretty good rotation, and for 5 mil they’re getting a guy who eats up innings, and a solid number 4-5 guy. If it doesn’t work out they only have to deal with the 5 mil for one season, and it let’s them move on and look at other options. I think this is a good move.

      Reply
    • rundmc1981

      14 years ago

      I don’t see it that way either. In a shallow pitching market, this is actually a decent deal. Considering they just picked up Carmona’s option for $7M and they’ll only be paying $5M of Lowe’s contract, knowing he’s a career innings eater, this provides them some depth, which is especially important with some young pitchers with more upside (Carrasco, Masterson) but not as much consistency. Great way to protect your young and still field a competitive team. They tailed off in the 2nd half in 2011 and if Lowe gets back close to his career form, he could be a decent pitcher pitching .650 ball with 12-14 wins and a 4.10 ERA. Not terrible for them considering Carmona couldn’t dream of that.

      Reply
  22. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

    14 years ago

    So now all the Indians have to do is get an infield that can actually field

    Reply
    • notsureifsrs

      14 years ago

      first ever .400 team BABIP-against

      Reply
      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

        14 years ago

        wait, that’s a joke. woosh.

        Reply
    • tomymogo

      14 years ago

      really, that’s weird it seemed Asdubral Cabrera always made the top web gem.

      Reply
      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

        14 years ago

        web gems doesn’t exactly equate to good defense. Flash is nice and all, but he’s not a great defender.

        Reply
        • Jerry

          14 years ago

          Last time Cabrera had a positive dWAR was as a full-time second baseman. This past year, dWAR -0.7.

          Reply
          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

            14 years ago

            true dat

            Reply
        • Jeff 31

          14 years ago

          Uggla had a lot of web gems.  He gave max effort despite his crappy range.

          Reply
      • notsureifsrs

        14 years ago

        yuniesky betancourt has plenty of web gems

        Reply
  23. stl_cards16

    14 years ago

    Nice move for the Indians.  Paying $5mil to fill out the rotation.  You’re not going to get anyone better than Lowe on the free agent market without committing a lot more than $5MM

    Reply
    • DK8

      14 years ago

      Yeah, for  a 1 year commitment, this is a very good deal for the Indians.  Wonder what the Braves intend to do with that money?

      Reply
      • Jeff 31

        14 years ago

        They got two major holes- SS (internal option is Pastornicky, which would be really risky though I think it would work), and LF (Prado doesn’t hit well enough to be a good LFer, even if he hit .300 he’d just be average)

        Reply
  24. WonderboyRooney10

    14 years ago

    Nice picture choice Tim lol

    Reply
  25. Rick Garcia

    14 years ago

    Good to see teams not wasting any time now that the World Series is over.

    Reply
  26. Guest 6355

    14 years ago

    You know, this actually isn’t that bad for the Indians. Pretty smart on their part to strike fast. For the Braves its a win because they open up $5mm more for spending. Pretty solid for both teams.

    Reply
  27. Kyle Jennison

    14 years ago

    Great move for the Braves to unload, but also a good one for Cleveland’s SP depth.  Derek Lowe at the back of the rotation will be a big improvement over whatever David Huff or Jeanmar Gomez would offer at this point.  Cleveland has a history of anchoring the back end of their rotation with serviceable veteran SPs (Scott Elarton, Kevin Millwood, Paul Byrd, etc.).

    Jimenez, Masterson, Tomlin, Lowe and Carmona.

    Looks a lot more functional than what they had coming into the year. 😛

    Reply
  28. inkstainedscribe

    14 years ago

    Frank does it again. Addition by subtraction.

    Reply
  29. Kyle Jennison

    14 years ago

    Because Brad Penny is such a monster at the back-end of the Detroit rotation, right? 😛

    Reply
  30. drumzalicious

    14 years ago

    Surprised there weren’t more teams interested at the 5mil price

    Reply
  31. danwatson19

    14 years ago

    Lowe had one of the biggest ERA/SIERRA differentials in the league last season, and he’s a good bounce-back candidate.  The Tribe could have a very nice rotation next year.  Now go get a real first baseman!

    Reply
  32. NYBravosFan10

    14 years ago

    The only things I’m going to miss about him are his hot wife and his bat. Anyone who got Choptalk magazine knows what his wife looks like and you have to admit the guy could hold his own at the plate. He was good for 5 or 6 doubles a year which ain’t half bad for a pitcher. I consider this a big win for the Bravos. 5MM in salary relief helps alot when you’re a middle-market team.

    Reply
    • Jeff 31

      14 years ago

      You don’t love the hitting stylings of Tommy Hanson?

      Reply
  33. bennie2323

    14 years ago

    Now what will the Braves do with the extra money!!!??

    Reply
    • tomymogo

      14 years ago

      sign Alex Gonzalez

      Reply
      • TimotheusATL

        14 years ago

        disqus needs a dislike button

        Reply
        • tomymogo

          14 years ago

          lol, unfortunately after Jose Reyes and Jimmy Rollins he is the best option.

          Reply
          • DK8

            14 years ago

            I think I’d rather have Tyler Pastornicky than Alex Gonzales.

            Reply
    • NYBravosFan10

      14 years ago

      therapy, to get rid of all the bad memories.

      Reply
  34. NYBravosFan10

    14 years ago

    from one tribe to the other

    Reply
  35. tomymogo

    14 years ago

    No Kawakami, Mclouth, and no Lowe……Finally

    Reply
  36. RiverKKiller999

    14 years ago

    See ya!!!!!!!!!!!

    Reply
  37. kast2L

    14 years ago

    could we PLEASE use some of that money and take a chance on a one year deal for Sizemore to play LF!? 

    Reply
  38. Joshua Johnson

    14 years ago

    Honestly if the braves could have pulled off a salary dump I would have been happy.  I would have been more excited if the Indians just took the contract too.  Keep you minor league arm ill take salary relief.

    Reply
  39. TimotheusATL

    14 years ago

    so what’ll be higher in Cleveland? his babip or his bac?

    Reply
  40. Brv Rocks

    14 years ago

    Solid trade for both teams.  Atlanta frees up some salary space to sign a hitter.  The Indians get an innings eating starting pitcher to mentor their young pitchers.  Several of the young pitchers on the Braves have mentioned that Lowe helped them a great deal in the past 3 years.

    Reply
  41. Jonathunder

    14 years ago

    Not sure we could get better for that money.  I’m okay with this deal, and, if he doesn’t work out, we can throw a guy like Gomez or Huff in there to take his place.  Low risk, medium to high reward.

    Reply
    • NYBravosFan10

      14 years ago

      I gotta give it to you Indians fans, you sure are optimistic. I don’t ever see many of you in the discussion forums though, maybe you could teach proper posting etiquette to some of the trolling Blue Jays fans that show up in every post regardless of subject.

      Reply
  42. fxx3605

    14 years ago

    now that lowe is gone and the braves have so much ptching would it be unreasonable to trade a 4 star prospect somewhere for a hitter?

    Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      Have the Braves traded any major prospects since Daniels raided their system? They were really gun-shy at the trading deadline (with good reason, those are some quality arms and starting pitching depth is really hard to come by).

      I just don’t see them making a move for anybody that’s out there as it stands, but I also didn’t think the Indians would trade for Derek Lowe. Maybe trade Delgado or somebody not named Teheran to the Marlins for Lo-mo? Trade one of the pitchers for one of the Royals offensive kids?

      Reply
    • Jeff 31

      14 years ago

      I’d rather see JJ or Hanson traded, preferably Hanson as I don’t think he’s signable and I think he’s overrated.

      Reply
  43. Chippers_Knees

    14 years ago

    I’ll never question you ever again, Wren.

    Reply
    • NYBravosFan10

      14 years ago

      I stopped questioning him when he mind-ninja’d the marlins into trading Uggla

      Reply
  44. BK

    14 years ago

    Can we see a Vernon Wells version of this? (Would be Dipoto’s best move).

    Reply
  45. Guest 6354

    14 years ago

    As a Braves fan, I like it…
    I like him (especially in the playoffs) but a little salary relief and a freed up roster spot for our young pitchers is a win I think.
    He was really at a point last year where he just wasn’t helping the team by pitching.

    Reply
  46. woadude

    14 years ago

    Wow, all spring training the middle infielders are going to be busting their butts trying to keep up with all the ground balls.

    Reply
    • inkstainedscribe

      14 years ago

      Great way to get in shape …

      Reply
  47. Joey Stanley

    14 years ago

    Some great moves by the Braves already!  Hinkse is back, McLouth, Lowe and KK are gone!  With Kawakami coming off the books, we could afford to eat a chunk of Lowe’s contract and finally get rid of him AND bolster our crop of young pitching, which you can NEVER have enough of!  Great job so far, Mr. Wren!

    Reply
  48. Brett S

    14 years ago

    Now the Indians need an outfielder

    Reply
  49. Guest 6353

    14 years ago

    Gotta think Lowe’s numbers would improve at least marginally with a more mobile infield.  Good trade for both teams.  As a Braves fan, I couldn’t be happier.  Watching Lowe pitch every 5th day always threw a wet blanket on my baseball love.  Now I’ll get to watch the next wave instead.

    Also, guys, I think it’s incredibly encouraging to see that the Braves are obviously very determined to make this a productive offseason.  They did not hesitate to get things moving.  I’m pumped.

    Reply
  50. craigkimbrelfan

    14 years ago

    That’s a nice move to unload him but unfortunately, this is the 3rd of Frank Wren’s ‘dead’ contracts.  Kawakami got 15 or so million and played a year, if that.  McClouth was useless.  And now Lowe.

    I know the Fredi Gonzalez hiring is going to be disastrous…it already is actually.

    It makes you wonder about him.

    Reply
    • NYBravosFan10

      14 years ago

      It’s been lousy luck, not bad contract decisions.
      -Lowe has always been an innings-eating and ground ball inducing beast and after losing out on AJ Burnett we were desperate.
       -Did you see McLouth in Pittsburgh?
      -Kawakami was a stud in Japan
      None of them worked out 🙁

      Reply
    • Guest 6350

      14 years ago

      I don’t think that’s entirely fair.  His trades have been pretty successful, except for McLouth, but it’s not like he traded away important pieces.  Plus, free agency is just not the most effective way to acquire players.  The Lowe and Kawakami signings were results of our rotation being completely decimated the year before.

      Fredi was a bad hire, though.  Totally agree there.

      Reply
  51. eyedessert

    14 years ago

    It predictably became disastrous the day Fredi’s sorry keister was fired from the Marlins.

    Reply
    • Patrick Tuck 2

      14 years ago

      Hey got fired for sitting Hamley when Hamley felt like “not giving a Shi*.” You rarley see a coach do that anymore and I praise him for it.

      Reply
      • jsmoltz29

        14 years ago

        +1

        Reply
  52. inkstainedscribe

    14 years ago

    Aside from the salary concerns, it’s a great deal for ATL. The three starters with the most IP were ground ball pitchers and the infield has the range of a sign post. If Hanson and JJ are healthy, then Minor is your 5th starter, and he’ll miss a lot more bats than Lowe.

    Reply
    • Jeff 31

      14 years ago

      Beachy’s a strikeout/flyball guy, as in Hanson

      JJ’s a flyball guy also.

      Hudson’s the groundball guy, and he can get strikeouts. 

      The Braves need to get a ton of slap hitters and the Rockies humidifier, and play dead ball style.

      Reply
      • TimotheusATL

        14 years ago

        you must not have ever lived in georgia if you think we’re in any need of a humidifier down here

        Reply
        • jsmoltz29

          14 years ago

          Lol definitely +1 from Waycross!!

          Reply
  53. SethHood422

    14 years ago

    Braves get rid of Lowe….there is a God!!! Nice guy, but its no secret his career is spiraling downward.

    Reply
  54. R.D.

    14 years ago

    Braves fans are overreacting, Lowe would find a spot in most MLB rotations even at 40. Still, he’s grown very inconsistent and was stunting growth of the Braves future aces.

    Still, I have no doubt Lowe could bounce back and win 16 games with a 3.50 if the Indians play good baseball.

    But the Braves…
    Hudson
    Hanson
    JJ(maybe)
    Minor
    Teheran/Delgado

    Music to my ears.

    Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      14 years ago

      What about Beachy?

      Reply
      • Guest 6340

        14 years ago

        So much music. Sweet, sweet music.

        Reply
  55. Braves1976

    14 years ago

    Lowe was the main reason the Braves missed the playoffs two of his three seasons. He was just terrible last season. When I heard of this trade my first thoughts were “FINALLY!” Thank God that washed up bum is gone.

    Now the Braves actually have a shot at least making the playoffs next season.

    Reply
    • Guest 6341

      14 years ago

      To be fair, Lowe helped carry the team into the Postseason last year with his performance in September.

      Reply
      • Braves1976

        14 years ago

        To be fair, Lowe’s bad pitching pre-Sept. is why he needed a great Sept. to not be a total waste that year. He also was helped by playing bad teams (Pittsburgh, Florida, Washington) with weaker than usual line-ups (either due to resting players or injury).

        For example, Florida had a bad line-up the final week (no Hanley who owns Lowe, etc).

        Reply
        • Guest 6323

          14 years ago

          Yea, I thought about that while I was typing all that out. More details than I care about right now.  The guy’s gone and the offseason’s barely started.  That’s all I care about.  I can’t freaking wait to watch our pitching next season.

          Reply
  56. genius.gm.on.mlb.the.show

    14 years ago

    Bravo fans gotta be jumping with joy right now…

    Reply
  57. Conebone69

    14 years ago

    A decent 5th starter who will be pounded in the AL

    Kudos to Atlanta for managing to save some money on him

    Reply
  58. Hoop

    14 years ago

    Jimenez is penciled in?

    Reply

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