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AL East Notes: Gallardo, Buchholz, Ortiz, Kendrick

By Mark Polishuk | February 7, 2016 at 11:32am CDT

Russell Wilson’s history with baseball is well-documented, though the Orioles were the first team to make a play for the future Seahawks quarterback out of high school when they made him a 41st-round pick in the 2007 amateur draft.  As O’s scout Dean Albany tells MASNsports.com’s Steve Melewski, Baltimore had Wilson graded as good enough to be picked within the top 10 rounds, and he only fell due to his commitment to play football at NC State.  The Orioles were impressed enough with Wilson that they offered him $350K to sign, a higher bonus than the O’s offered any draft pick that year except for Matt Wieters and Jake Arrieta.  Here’s more from around the AL East…

  • The Orioles are still weighing whether or not to sign Yovani Gallardo and surrender their first-round draft pick, MASNsports.com’s Roch Kubatko writes.  Another “shift in thinking” has taken place within Baltimore’s front office, and now the club may no longer be as hesitant to give up its pick, though “plenty of folks in the industry say Gallardo isn’t worth the 14th selection” in June’s draft.  If Gallardo’s price tag has indeed fallen to a large extent, however, there could be enough value added to make the signing.  “It could be argued that [Gallardo] carries more value with them than other teams who still may be in the running,” Kubatko writes, due to Baltimore’s need for reliable starting pitching.  Kubatko also opines that he would be willing to give up the 14th overall pick, since the O’s have five other picks within the first 100 selections of the coming draft.
  • The Red Sox made a bet on Clay Buchholz’s high ceiling rather than Wade Miley’s durability, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe writes.  Buchholz has battled injuries and several ups-and-downs in performance over his career, though he’s looked like an elite starter when at his best.  Miley, by contrast, has been more consistent than brilliant over his four full seasons as a big league starter.  Speier points out that Miley’s reliability might’ve given him more trade value than Buchholz, which could’ve been the reason Miley was the one dealt, though choosing Buchholz over the lefty could prove to be a key choice of the Red Sox season.
  • It couldn’t hurt the Red Sox or David Ortiz if the two sides firmly outlined the star slugger’s role in his final season, ESPN’s Buster Olney writes (subscription required).  This would allow both parties to avoid a potentially awkward situation if Ortiz experienced a sudden decline and the Sox then had to consider benching the franchise legend in his farewell season in order to better help the team win games.  Olney uses Derek Jeter’s final season as a cautionary tale, as the Yankees still used Jeter as a starting shortstop and number-two hitter throughout the year despite his sub-replacement performance.
  • Several Yankees topics are discussed in a mailbag piece by Mike Axisa of the River Ave Blues blog, including the team’s second base situation.  Axisa would’ve preferred the Yankees had Howie Kendrick on a two-year, $20MM deal and Adam Warren still in the pitching mix rather than Starlin Castro and the first-rounder it would’ve cost New York to sign Kendrick.  That said, Axisa doesn’t blame the Yankees for making the move to acquire Castro earlier in the offseason since two months ago, it would’ve seemed far-fetched that Kendrick could’ve been had at such a relatively low cost.
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  1. dieharddodgerfan

    9 years ago

    Agree with Mike Axisa that I don’t think Kendrick would have signed with the Yankees for 2 yrs and $20 mill, especially early in the offseason.

    I think the comp pick driving down the market and Kendrick having been in So Cal his whole playing career helped the Dodgers sign Kendrick to such a team-friendly deal.

    And the Dodgers not having to give up a 1st rounder enticed the Dodgers to re-sign Kendrick.

    The qualifying offer seems to be moving towards incentivizing players to go back to their teams, either by accepting the offer (which is getting pretty big) or just having to come back because draft pick compensation hurts the market for those free agents who are not in the higher level of quality.

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    • mike156

      9 years ago

      I agree with that. The Yankees needed to do something to deal with the issue–they couldn’t really rely on what they had last year, and the price would have been higher in years/dollars and the draft pick. The QO pick is a killer for older players that teams would be less likely to discount the value of a pick because they were signing someone longer term.

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    • basemonkey 2

      9 years ago

      I think it’s important to remember it’s all in balance with each other. We’re only just now seeing the QO, market, and MLB average measures arriving at equilibrium.

      Today, the tweeners are the big questions. They’re a big question for clubs to extend them a QO, and, it’s a big question for the player to accept it.

      Reply
  2. Lance

    9 years ago

    if a team can get Gallardo at a good price, the draft pick is no big deal. If I could draft someone who could pitch as well as Gallardo can right now—I’d do it in a heartbeat. He’s going to give you 180 innings…..and between 10-13 wins for a couple years. If I was positive a draft pick could do that right away, GREAT. but the odds of it happening aren’t all that great.

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    • pinballwizard1969

      9 years ago

      Just my opinion but I think you are over valuing Gallardo. His walks were up and his K’s down in 2015. Plus since you point out about his potential to provide wins don’t forget over the last 5 season he’s averaged 10 loses per to go with those wins. Also I think a move to the smaller AL East parks if he signed with the Orioles will be the kiss of death for him.

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      • mikeyst13

        9 years ago

        A lot of those losses can be attributed to poor run support. For his career he has a 3.66 ERA and has only been over 4.00 once, and most of that came in the hitter friendly ballparks of the NL Central.

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        • pinballwizard1969

          9 years ago

          I’m not sure I get what your point. Is. Is it your contention the parks in the NL Central are more hitter friendly that the parks in the AL East if he signed with the Orioles. Because if that is your contention I would have to strongly disagree. Also since Gallardo’s walks were up and K’s down in 2015 and he tends to pitch to contact that is not good for a pitcher in the AL East. Just for the record about run support IF he signed with the Orioles did you realize the O’s were 4th of the 5 AL East teams in RBI’s and Runs.

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        • mikeyst13

          9 years ago

          My point was that you were giving too much importance to the 10 losses a year. And as far as ballpark rankings go Miller, Wrigley, and Great American are all ranked in the top 10 by advanced metrics for hitter friendly parks while the AL East only has 2, Great and Rogers Center. Plus Miller Park where he pitched the majority of the time is #2 while Camden is 15 so by the numbers he’d actually be pitching in better pitchers parks. And while his Ks were down, his walk rate didn’t really go up, it’s right at his carer average.

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        • pinballwizard1969

          9 years ago

          I wasn’t placing too much importance on loses. I was only pointing out to the poster “Lance” that while he talked about wins you can’t ignore loses. BTW, just for the record Gallardo walked 3.3 batters in 2015 versus 2.5 batters in 2014 per 9 innings. In my book that’s an increase in walks. But you are correct it is somewhat in line with 2012 and 2013. But again his K’s have really taken a hit. From 9 plus for 9 innings from 2009 to 2012 to 6.8 in 2014 to 5.9 in 2015. neither of those are good trends.

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        • Lance

          9 years ago

          In no way am I making a case for Gallardo being in Cooperstown. I live in north texas and was glad the Rangers didn’t resign Yovani. #1 is they don’t need him, especially at $15m. He’s very frustrating to watch cause he’s a nibbler. He can’t leave his pitches out over the plate cause he doesn’t have the electric stuff to get away with it. So that means high pitch counts and more walks than you want to see. He’s also a slow worker. Gallardo is only a 5-6 inning pitcher and is hardly an ace. He’s a #3 or 4 starter at this point of his career. But he knows how to pitch and can give a team innings that give a team a chance to win a game and that has some value IF the price is right. If you can get him at a good price, I think he’s worth losing a draft pick over partially because I believe draft picks are overrated. Yes, there are guys like Price & Harper—–but there’s a helluva lot of Jameson Taillon’s and Barret Loux’s out there as well in the first round. And right now, Baltimore and other teams NEED starters and at best, it takes 2-3 years to see a draft pick in the majors able to give you the 12-13 wins Gallardo can give a team right now! Maybe you lose a future Chris Sale—-but the odds are you’re only going to lose Josh Sale, a guy who either never makes it to the show or just gets a cup of coffee.

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    • kingjenrry

      9 years ago

      I wouldn’t. His numbers are not too dissimilar from Jon Niese and J.A. Happ, and nobody would pay either of guys tons of money in addition to giving up a pick.

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  3. pinballwizard1969

    9 years ago

    Just for the record it’s probably very unlikely Kendrick would have settled for a 2 year $20MM contract back in the beginning of December when the Yankees traded for Starlin Castro. Besides it’s not only losing the draft pick but the slot money that goes with the slot pick that it would have cost the Yankees. In any case the Yankees were/are looking to get younger not older and Castro is 7 years younger than Kendrick. and controllable in his prime.

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    • Michael Macaulay-Birks

      9 years ago

      I think Castro was a good move, personally Yankees are trying to get younger…..Castro is a bit of a head case playing around all the veterans might help him with that

      Reply
  4. brandons-3

    9 years ago

    I think the QO system is broken to a certain point. It think teams should be given compensation when free agents leave. (I believe the NFL awards compensation picks at owner meetings sometime after the typical free agency period, though I may be mistaken) so maybe something like that could work where picks are given on a case by case basis. The guys I would’ve given up a first round pick for this year were Cueto, Price, Heyward, Gordon, Upton, Cespedes, Davis, Zimmermann, and Grienke. Anyone else I don’t think would’ve been worth a loss of a first round pick. Would a tier system work? Just a general idea: Four Tiers A (Loss of 1st) B (2nd) C (3rd) and D (4th). You ask a certain group(s) (I’m not sure how this would work but for the the purpose of this we’ll say all 30 teams) and they list every player they think is a tier a free agent under that category and so forth. If you list Jason Heyward under tier A then he gets…40 points and if he’s a tier B he gets 30 and so on. In order to qualify as a tier A free agent you have to reach a current number of points. Say Heyward ends up with 610 points overall (just a random number) and that qualifies him as a Tier A free agent. John Lackey could end up with maybe 490 points which would qualify him as Tier B. Now the point totals and the cutoff in determining the respective tiers are arbitrary in this example. I don’t know who would get the say in listing on the points (I can think of teams, mlbpa, agent, journalist, players, fans as some possible groups or you could even weight it to make a tier A team count as 10 points while a tier A fan player would be worth 2 points or something.

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    • mikeyst13

      9 years ago

      I agreed that the QO system is broken, but it may start to correct itself some as more and more of these guys settle for less money and sit out there waiting for someone to sign them. More fringe guys like Kendrick will eventually start taking the offers instead of testing the market which will lead to teams having to decide whether or not to actually give them a QO.

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  5. bruinsfan94 2

    9 years ago

    What an absurd comment about Ortiz. As great as Jeter was he was on the decline entering his last year. Ortiz is still playing great. Any player coming off a great season plus a sustained career is going to get an extremely long leash.. Ortiz has started slow in the past and is the DH, his defense doesn’t matter. It would take an extremely long period of him being way below replacement for him to to be benched in his final year. He’s already probably not going to play in NL ball parks much at all. If it got to the point where he was extremely under performing he likely wouldn’t be too upset since his boy Hanley would replace him.

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    • mike156

      9 years ago

      I’m a Yankee fan, and I certainly don’t understand the Ortiz comment. He can still hit, which is what he brings to the table. Jeter could no longer hit nor could he field his position adequately. The Yankees would have been better off working something out with Jeter in advance–145 games was crazy, but the problem for them was that he had missed essentially the entire season before and didn’t want to go out that way. Ortiz needs only to hit decently, take his laps in opposing stadiums, and try not to curse too much, He should be able to handle the first two.

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      • Lance

        9 years ago

        Who did the Yanks have at SS who was better than Jeter that last year? Brendan Ryan? What Derek did his final year reminded me of what Stan Musial did his final season—-it wasn’t great but it wasn’t awful, either.

        Ortiz is coming off a third strait season of 30, 100+. Maybe at age 40 his production falls off. That’s understandable…..but…he’s earned the right to come back. He’s a DH and won’t play in NL parks, so the notion of having to get him more time off isn’t really a factor.

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  6. Ken M.

    9 years ago

    Adding one of the worst offensive 2nd basemen from last year, who is below average defensively, while taking away Warren from the bullpen can’t really be an upgrade, can it?

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  7. yukongold

    9 years ago

    Bar must be really low for Castro to be an upgrade. Factor in the loss of Warren, Axisa is right.

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  8. jgoody62

    9 years ago

    The absolute most I could see happening to Papi is the Sox bringing in a right handed power hitter to perhaps only play versus LHP to effectively give Ortiz more rest, IF that,

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    • Michael Macaulay-Birks

      9 years ago

      Yeah his name is Hanley Ramirez, Travis Shaw or Sam Travis can play first base against lefties

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      • pinballwizard1969

        9 years ago

        Shaw actually bats LH’ed. Sam Travis is a bit young and raw and has less than 300 AB’s in Double A and no bats in Triple A. Also I don’t believe Sam Travis is on the Sox 40 man roster yet. My guess is WHEN the Sox do give Ortiz a rest. Ramirez will DH and Shaw will take over 1st base for whatever games are necessary.

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  9. terryg 2

    9 years ago

    If I’m the Rockies I offer Gallardo 4/70 same deal as Krnnedy got with Royals. Their first round pick is safe and he’d be worth the 2nd rounder they’d have to give.

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    • Lance

      9 years ago

      If I were a FA pitcher, the ONLY way I would take a deal with the Rocks is if they offer a long term deal. The chances are your stats will be ruined after pitching in Denver so your value would be worthless when your done.

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