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Extension Candidate: Jake Arrieta

By Jeff Todd | December 28, 2016 at 9:14am CDT

The Cubs reportedly plan to discuss a new, long-term contract with star righty Jake Arrieta early in 2017. Prior talks failed to produce much apparent traction, but there’s new urgency if a deal is to be found. Arrieta, after all, will reach the open market after the season.

If nothing else, Chicago will need to sort out Arrieta’s final arbitration salary with agent Scott Boras. After a huge raise following his monster 2015 season, Arrieta took down $10.7MM last year. And though he wasn’t as good in 2016, there’s another hefty boost coming; MLBTR projects to earn a $16.8MM payday.

Jake Arrieta

So, aside from nailing down that number, just what might the sides talk about when they sit down in the coming weeks? Expectations, perhaps, represent the most important ingredients in this particular extension scenario, because valuing Arrieta’s post-2017 seasons without the knowledge of his 2017 output is particularly difficult.

Arrieta’s story is well known, and need not be repeated in full here. Suffice to say, his career renaissance in Chicago has been spectacular and complete. Over 2014-15, the righty provided 358 2/3 innings of 2.08 ERA pitching over 58 starts. He was dominant, especially, in the latter of those two seasons, when he posted 9.3 K/9 against just 1.9 BB/9 and allowed a league-low 5.9 hits per nine while spinning four complete games. After filling up 229 innings and taking home the National League Cy Young award, a course was set for a huge free-agent contract.

The early portion of 2016 largely represented a continuation; though his walk rate was up, the results remained dominant. By early June, though, the earned runs began to catch up as Arrieta’s typically excellent suppression of walks and home runs began faltering. Ultimately, he fell just shy of 200 innings and ended the year with a 3.10 ERA to go with 8.7 K/9 and 3.5 BB/9. Beyond the jump in walk rate, Arrieta also paced the league with 16 wild pitches.

To be sure, all the signs weren’t concerning. Arrieta continued to induce grounders on about half of the balls put in play against him, didn’t show any worrying changes in velocity, mostly maintained his swinging-strike rate (10.5%, down from a personal best 11.1%), and continued to suppress BABIP in a consistent manner suggestive of skill, not merely good fortune. But hitters chased out of the zone slightly less frequently and made somewhat more hard contact in 2016, while also managing a few more home runs (16).

In the aggregate, Arrieta is still exceedingly difficult to square up and seems to be about as good a bet as anyone to deliver 200 or more innings from a health perspective. Even the less-dominant version is still a high-quality pitcher. Heck, he even managed to add real value with the bat last year (.262/.304/.415). And Arrieta showed up in the postseason — the World Series, especially, where he allowed just three earned runs on five hits over 11 1/3 innings in two starts.

Still, it’s hard to say that Arrieta’s current standing matches his status at this time last year. If Arrieta isn’t a true ace — which, at least, is in doubt — then the conversation is somewhat different. Valuing his future is more about projections and comps than it is a question of just how much a team can really spend on a single pitcher. And reaching agreement on an extension poses questions such as: Will the team will ascribe added value to the possibility of a return to full dominance? Will the player forego perhaps greater potential earnings to sell away the risk of another less-than-excellent (or worse) season?

If Arrieta isn’t a true ace, then pedestrian considerations such as age — he turns 31 in March of 2017, and will turn 32 before the start of the 2018 season — rise in importance. That means Arrieta will hit the market at nearly the same age (just a few months younger) as Zack Greinke did last winter. Greinke’s massive contract (six years, $206.5MM) isn’t exactly a bad sign for Arrieta, but it’s tough to see Chicago valuing the latter’s free-agent years as highly as the D-Backs did the former’s (over $34MM). That contract always seemed a reach, and came on the heels of Greinke’s historic 2015 season.

Perhaps a more reasonable current comp is pitching alongside Arrieta in the Cubs’ rotation. Jon Lester, who was a younger free agent than will be Arrieta, got $155MM over six years. But even that could be rich. Johnny Cueto, one of the game’s most accomplished hurlers, landed shy of Lester (six years, $130MM, albeit with an opt-out) heading into his age-30 season. His late-2015 scuffles — which weren’t, perhaps, all that dissimilar from Arrieta’s — seemed to put a real dent in his value.

The most direct comparables, of course, are drawn to players who sign extensions just before hitting the market. Stephen Strasburg got seven years and $175MM from the Nationals in the middle of the 2016 season. Before him, Homer Bailey took home $105MM over six seasons (including his arb year) from the Reds. Neither pitcher is a clean comp — Strasburg, due to age; Bailey, due to performance — but those deals are still illustrative. Strasburg’s signing, in particular, shows that an extension can’t be ruled out, even for a market-leading starter repped by Boras. Both contracts show the need for compromise as well as the inherent risk in a late-arb pitching extension. Injuries slowed both Strasburg and Bailey not long after their new deals were inked. In both of those cases, they wisely (in hindsight) sold away the chance at perhaps even greater earnings to lock in contracts with their existing organizations.

It is ultimately difficult to know whether there’s a realistic chance of the Cubs and Arrieta reaching a deal. The relative lack of upper-level, high-quality starting pitching prospects in the Chicago system suggests an ongoing need. And the Lester signing shows that the team will sign a long-term deal with a starter in the right circumstances. But it seems likely there’ll be some cap to the team’s willingness to add guaranteed years and boost the AAV in Arrieta’s case. Just where those lines will be drawn by both the team and its once (and future?) staff ace remain to be seen. Is Strasburg’s $25MM AAV a fair market point, perhaps over a shorter term? Does Cueto’s combination of a lower AAV and opt-out provide a guide? Or will Arrieta hold out for a chance to chase Greinke?

Just for kicks … let’s see how likely a deal is, in the estimation of MLBTR’s readers:

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  1. Ortsac Nilrats

    8 years ago

    As a Cubs fan, I am torn. Love Arrietta, but giving him $22 mil a year when he is 36-38 would be a mistake. I think they need to let him go…

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  2. LumberJerk9Billion

    8 years ago

    I see 5yrs/$130mil

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    • MatthewBaltimore23

      8 years ago

      Yeah. I was thinking in the 5/125 range.

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    • jade 2

      8 years ago

      I think the Cubs start by offering 5/130-135 and approach 5/145 – maybe work in a 6th team option with 10 mil buyout – maybe work in an opt out or no trade clause.
      If Jake wants more than that he’ll have to outperform last year and be healthy all year. If that happens, it’ll be great for the Cubs. If he has a similar year I can’t see him getting more than 5/140

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    • JKB 2

      8 years ago

      I think lumberjerk is right on with his guess

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      • LumberJerk9Billion

        8 years ago

        Thank you kindly!

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      • jkim319

        8 years ago

        With Boras as agent , he is going to demand 6 yrs. If the 6th year is in essence the last Arbitration year, then 6/150 or 6/155 wouldn’t be too bad (last year would be his age 37).

        I am sure Boras is trying to start with Strasburg’s 7/175 as starting point. If he wants AAV of 28mm ‘plus’, we need to let Jake walk

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    • ChiSoxCity

      8 years ago

      Not possible. His market value is higher than that. If the Cubs won’t offer $160MM , Jake will move on.

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  3. 37santobanks

    8 years ago

    I would like to see Jake hang around for a few more years, with the lack of dominant arms in the Cubs system not named Cease. I think Theo/Jed would be wise, though, to let the 2017 season play out first. Jake has stated in the past that he is not interested in any kind of ‘discount’, and knowing that the next 5 generations of Arrietas are potentially relying on his excellent performance in 2017, that could mean great things for the Cubs. Then again, he doesn’t strike me as the type that would slack off once signing a big contract. Will be interesting to watch it play out, either way.

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  4. FreddyG520

    8 years ago

    5/$120M seems reasonable. $24M AAV, and he receives certainty through his age-36 season. From the Cubs standpoint, signing him to such a deal would ensure they have 3 very solid pitchers (Lester, Hendricks, arrieta) under team control for the next 5ish years. Which aligns with the period of time that all their core position players are also under team control.

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    • Vedder80

      8 years ago

      Scherzer got 7/$210mil with a similar career trajectory. While 5 years may get it done, it certainly won’t at $24mil aav.

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      • Jeff Todd

        8 years ago

        Heading into his age-30 season. That’s a major difference.

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        • jade 2

          8 years ago

          Also, Scherzer put up those numbers in the AL..

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        • artfay

          8 years ago

          Exactly. Well I guess that doesn’t matter in the case of an NL extension. But yea if Arrieta was a FA, you’d have to think the AL offers would be smaller. Gotta figure every single stat would get slightly worse going to the man’s league, without the free out every 8 batters.

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        • JFactor

          8 years ago

          I love when this argument is made because of how false and weak it is.

          Arrieta only faced 43 pitchers this year out of his 795 batters faced. That’s about 30 more than the average AL starter. But it’s not this huge amount and it’s fairly insignificant when looking at the number differences.

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        • Alastair

          8 years ago

          Gosh, I know you’re trolling for responses and no one’s taken your bait in a week but I’m like a fish and susceptible to a big hook.

          Pitchers like Arrieta who can bat well (as mentioned in this article) have value added in the NL and I’d argue wielding the big stick and facing your adversary in a duel between the mound and plate is among the most manly things that can be done. Consider how in the AL the DH sits inside the clubhouse when his team’s on defense. Seems like the equivalent of an NFL punter.

          Lots o’ love, Alastair.

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      • JKB 2

        8 years ago

        I agree with Vedder. Five years may work. $24 million per year will not

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      • YourDaddy

        8 years ago

        Scherzer had 6 seasons under his belt with 30+ starts, was a free agent, and was heading into his age 30 season when he signed that deal. The Scherzer deal has $105 million in deferred money, so it’s basically $15 million per year for 14 years.
        Arrieta has 2 seasons of 30+ starts, is not a free agent and is already heading into his age 31 season. I think a deal between Cueto’s and Lester’s is more probable. 6 years/$145 million. If he and Boras won’t take that, let’s see how Arrieta’s 2017 season plays out. He might get a big deal if he can return to 2015 form, or he may continue to pitch to a 3.10 ERA and get much, much less.

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  5. astros_fan_84

    8 years ago

    He should work out something with the Cubs. He could make more in the open market, but that’s a huge risk bc of injury and performance.

    He’s worth David Price money, but the question is, which team would sign him? Many of rich teams are over the luxury tax, which means he might have a smaller market than he thinks.

    Better to stay where he can win multiple World Series.

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    • Steven P.

      8 years ago

      Arrieta has already stated that he is not willing to give the Cubs a “hometown discount”

      He more than likely will test the open market and leave to the highest bidder

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  6. EndinStealth

    8 years ago

    While he has been great for you guys, I think the writing is on the wall. It just seems like he’s in line for a decline even further than last season. Lester and Kendricks are your top two Arrieta is only going to be a solid 3rd.

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  7. ramonskee

    8 years ago

    Jake has made it clear that the Cubs won’t get a hometown discount and he and Boras will look for a long term deal. This might be obvious but I see Jake getting 5y/$28M per ($140M) or 7y/$25 per ($175M).

    This could work with the Cubs if they FRONTload the deal. This will allow them to take advantage of all their young talent being paid very little over these next few years. And when it’s time to pay the kids and Jake is 34-35 and less effective, his pay will be closer to $20M per yr than $30M.

    That being said – I just don’t think he’ll be with the Cubs as Jake and Boras know very well that there will be big time teams with big time payroll space looking for a stud SP. Think Yankees, Dodgers, Rangers, and Astros.

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    • yankees_fan74

      8 years ago

      Cross the Yankees off your list. They won’t be paying a 32-year-old pitcher in 2018 the kind of money that’s being discussed.

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      • ramonskee

        8 years ago

        See CC.

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    • JKB 2

      8 years ago

      I always liked the frontload idea much better then backloading

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      • ramonskee

        8 years ago

        We’re still talking about baseball, right?

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    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      8 years ago

      You can definitely cross the Dodgers off the list for Arrieta especially after they reupped their big three this offseason seems like they aren’t going to play in the big market again until everything is off the books and they have to reup Kersh in 18.

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      • ramonskee

        8 years ago

        They have *only* $157M in 2018 committed salaries. That’s after being at $304M (!) in ’16 and $200M in ’17.

        Plus, Kershaw’s club option in 2018 is $35.6M – two thoughts there: 1) I highly doubt he will not get an AAV higher than $35.6M in his new contract. 2) Both parties may agree to rip up that deal and sign a longer-term deal that frees up some $ for LAD in ’18.

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  8. chesteraarthur

    8 years ago

    bye bye jake

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  9. toby312

    8 years ago

    Is 4 years not long enough? Thinking 4 years 100 mil? The blood sucking boras will probably want 6 years but paying him that $ when he’s 38 or 39 is huge gamble on the years

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    • Steven P.

      8 years ago

      No way he takes only four years. He will get at least 5 on the open market

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  10. pullhitter445

    8 years ago

    He gone

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  11. BoSoxs4life

    8 years ago

    They won’t give him 20 per yr, If he is lucky he will get 15.

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    • Mikel Grady

      8 years ago

      Why would you say that? Post season is where players earn their money and Jake was 2-0 on road in World Series. He will continue to be top 15 pitcher in majors. Lackey Is making more than you saying he will get. Tanaka mad bum and cueto if they opt out and Danny duffy are only decent pitchers on free agency market next year. Cubs minor pitching depth is bad so unless trade for young controllable arm cubs need Jake . Hopefully Tyson Ross is signed and returns to form.

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  12. Wainofan

    8 years ago

    I think the Cubs should pay him about 7 years 35 million a year, total 245m. No way they’d regret a deal that huge…..

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  13. BlueSkyLA

    8 years ago

    Extensions seem to be as much about FO philosophy as any other thing. The player is seeking and normally will receive a market-rate salary, so teams rarely get a bargain in extensions, but they can achieve some certainty. Do the Cubs value that certainty? That’s the question.

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  14. pullhitter445

    8 years ago

    Highly unlikely he plays for the Cubs beyond this upcoming season. If they give him the money he will earn then the Cubs are tying up future money that they will need to extend, resign core players who will all make a boat load of money. Cubs already close to luxury tax and will likely be a team paying luxury tax fines in the future. At least they can afford doing that.

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    • yankees_fan74

      8 years ago

      Cubs had the fourth highest 40 man year end salary in all of baseball. They already started paying luxury tax in 2016. And that’s without paying all the young guys. Stop thinking they’re in a great position.

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      • 37santobanks

        8 years ago

        4 players on the books for 2018 (not counting arbitration) isn’t a bad position to be in at all.

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        • yankees_fan74

          8 years ago

          I guess they will be playing short handed in 2018?? A first baseman a second baseman a right fielder and one pitcher is all you need to compete. I mean if your as delusional as Cubs fan are these days. Maybe.

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        • yankees_fan74

          8 years ago

          Even counting their current arbitration players that brings the total to 11.

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        • Kayrall

          8 years ago

          Pot calling the kettle black.

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        • 37santobanks

          8 years ago

          All I was saying was that they have 4 players on payroll for 2018 as of right now. That leaves plenty of flexibility. Of course their arbitration and league minimum players will cause the payroll to go up from there, but 4 players on payroll after the 2017 season does leave them in a great position, contrary to what you had stated.

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        • YourDaddy

          8 years ago

          If they don’t extend Arrieta, the Cubs will have $102 million to spend in 2018 after they sign all their arbitration eligible players to replace 8 free agents – Arrieta, Lackey, Davis. Montero, Jay, Strop, Uehara and Duensing. When you look at the pitching coming up through their system, I don’t think replacing Strop, Uehara and Duensing will be much of a problem if they can’t find help on the FA market. That is still a great position to be in.

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      • tim815

        8 years ago

        They’re in a very good position if, and only if, the next batches of young talent are productive MLB types.

        If Cease, Clifton, Paulino, Albertos, and others make for quality MLB SP options, they’ll be fine.

        If Happ, Jimenez, and others are as advertised, they’ll keep adding useful talent on the cheap.

        If not, their window collapses in a few years.

        Arrieta will be allowed to walk. Nine figures can be spent in better ways.

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      • YourDaddy

        8 years ago

        With all of their arb eligible players signing including Arrieta, the Cubs project to have a $172.9 million payroll to start 2017. That means they can go out and spend another $22 million during the season before they hit the luxury tax threshold. That is a pretty dang good position to be in. Retain your entire WORLD SERIES WINNING team other than one REALLY expensive closer (that they already replaced) and a 40-year-old backup catcher, and still have $22 million to spend. Bet the Yankees would LOVE to be in that position since they are already projected to be over the threshold and aren’t expected to contend.

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      • pullhitter445

        8 years ago

        Gotta love that Heyward contract if your a Cubs fan…but hey he gave them a huge motivational speech which is why they won the World Series after short rain delay. Had nothing to do with all the roster talent….that’s actually how sports talk radio and numerous cub fans justify that awful contract. Heyward contract will go down as one of theos worst Cubs moves along with the Edwin Jackson move.

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        • Mikel Grady

          8 years ago

          Come on no soriano slam while your at it? Heywards contract is paid on just the Cubs championship hats they sold .

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    • Mikel Grady

      8 years ago

      Tv deal will come by then so his contract would not affect future players

      Reply
  15. toby312

    8 years ago

    Let him go and trade for Quintana? He’s controllable for at least half or more of what arrietta and boras will demand and for 4 more years!!! A borderline 1,2 starter in general that eats innings that would be best #2 or 3 in baseball starter on Cubs

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    • Mikel Grady

      8 years ago

      I would love that but Sox won’t trade with Cubs.

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      • tim815

        8 years ago

        The Sox would trade with the Cubs, if the Cubs made a deal that would, largely, benefit the Sox.

        However, I don’t see Schwarber and Jimenez being sent packing for Quintana.

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        • Mikel Grady

          8 years ago

          Baez happ Jimenez cease underwood not all but 3-4 get it done?

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      • mitt24

        8 years ago

        They will if the return is greater in value

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  16. Cubs_Fan31

    8 years ago

    5 at $125 million would be fine. Unfortunately it seems like the D’backs butchered the FA market with Greinke the same way they butchered the “young controllable arm” market by giving up what they did for Shelby Miller. Somebody will likely give him $200 million if he has a solid 2017 so the Cubs either sign him before the season or never in my opinion.

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    • jkim319

      8 years ago

      Great comment on both the FA (grienke)?and trade (miller) fronts …

      then again, look at what the nationals just paid for Eaton (i know, I know… you can value him high if you want, but the Nats paid almost as much for eaton as the Red Sox paid for Sale). Good for the white sox and good for the Cubs

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  17. Mikel Grady

    8 years ago

    Copied off this site, Tanaka

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    • Mikel Grady

      8 years ago

      Jake Arrieta (32)
      Clay Buchholz (33)
      Madison Bumgarner (28) — $12MM club option with a $1.5M buyout
      Matt Cain (33) — $21MM club option with a $7.5MM buyout
      Andrew Cashner (31)
      Jhoulys Chacin (30)
      Tyler Chatwood (28)
      Jesse Chavez (34)
      Wei-Yin Chen (32) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $52MM on his contract
      Alex Cobb (30)
      Bartolo Colon (45)
      Johnny Cueto (32) — Can opt out of the remaining four years, $84MM on his contract
      Yu Darvish (31)
      John Danks (33)
      R.A. Dickey (43) – $8MM club option with $500K buyout
      Danny Duffy (29)
      Nathan Eovaldi (28)
      Marco Estrada (34)
      Yovani Gallardo (32) — $13MM club option with a $2MM buyout
      Jaime Garcia (31)
      Matt Garza (34) — $13MM vesting option/$5MM club option (can become $1MM club option based on DL time)
      Gio Gonzalez (32) – $12MM club option, vests with 180 innings pitched in 2017
      Miguel Gonzalez (34)
      Jeremy Hellickson (31)
      Derek Holland (31)
      Ubaldo Jimenez (34)
      Ian Kennedy (33) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $43MM on his contract
      John Lackey (39)
      Francisco Liriano (34)
      Jordan Lyles (27)
      Lance Lynn (31)
      Wade Miley (31) — $12MM club option with a $500K buyout
      Mike Minor (30) — $10MM mutual option with a $1.25MM buyout
      Matt Moore (29) — $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout
      Ricky Nolasco (35) — $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
      Martin Perez (27) — $6MM club option with a $2.45MM buyout
      Michael Pineda (29)
      Clayton Richard (34)
      Tyson Ross (31)
      CC Sabathia (37)
      Anibal Sanchez (34) — $16MM club option with a $5MM buyout
      Hector Santiago (30)
      Chris Sale (29) — $12.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
      Masahiro Tanaka (29) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $67MM on his contract
      Chris Tillman (30)
      Josh Tomlin (33) — $3MM club option with a $750K buyout
      Jason Vargas (35)
      Chris Young (39) — $8MM mutual option with a $1.5MM buyout

      Copied of this site other than Tanaka cueto and mad but if they opt out there isn’t anyone other than maybe Duffy who I would want replacing Jake. Post season is where players earn their money and Jake was 2-0 on the road in World Series. Lock in up 5-6 year contract 150-180. Minor league pitching depth is bad and unless they trade Baez happ Jimenez for a young controllable arm they need Jake. Hopefully they sign Tyson Ross and he returns to form.

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      • snake

        8 years ago

        The Giants are picking up their option on Bum so no need to consider him for next class.

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      • YourDaddy

        8 years ago

        Cueto, Darvish, Duffy, and Tanaka would be great options that will be in that same $25 million per year or less range. Pineda, Eovaldi, Chen, Lynn and Garcia would be good options at a bounce back from injury or bad seasons on the cheap. Ross would probably have to be signed to a multi-year deal now with the hope that he can come back mid-season 2017.

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        • Mikel Grady

          8 years ago

          I like darvish but injury concerns with him . When healthy he is as good as they come

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  18. GabeOfThrones

    8 years ago

    5-145, opt out after two, team option for 1-30.

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  19. egrossen

    8 years ago

    Let him walk if he wants more than 5 years $125-130. Cubs can find a veteran on a 2-3 year deal much cheaper. Their offense is a huge strength and with Lester and Hendricks, that should be enough.

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  20. daved

    8 years ago

    I expect the Cubs to offer a Lester like deal. 6 years with a mutual option for year 7 that offers a nice buyout($10M) for Arrieta. Large signing bonus($30M) spread out over 4 years and 4 payments,. Total guaranteed package of 6/155.

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    • YourDaddy

      8 years ago

      I expect the Cubs to offer a little less than Lester got and the major reason why is proven durability. Lester had 7 consecutive seasons with 30 plus starts under his belt when the Cubs signed him. That proven durability was a big part of why the Cubs signed him. Arrieta has 2 now. Maybe something like 7 years/$162 million with $17 million in 2017 buying out his final arb year and then a 6 year/$145 million extension. Still a huge risk for a 31 year old guy with only 2 full seasons as a starter.

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  21. olereb

    8 years ago

    I am a braves fan so I don’t have a dog in this race, but this is exactly what gets teams into trouble. Say you sign him for 175 million and he has an injury or he declines in performance, you still have to pay him and that takes money away from other players you might need to add. There are very few Cole Hammels, Tom Glavines, John Smoltzs, yaw might think I am crazy but I would let him walk, unless he would be reasonable about it. How much money do these people need to live off of anyway. It is called greed, to be the highest paid player, what about the Cubs who gave him a chance, developed him. The Orioles sure didn’t, they got rid of him, where’s the loyalty

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    • Kayrall

      8 years ago

      You need to understand that there is actually a lot of loyalty in a stance of gunning for the highest contract. That loyalty is to both family and peers. A lot of players will do anything for their union brothers.

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    • daved

      8 years ago

      It’s how teams win. You have to pay the great players. 8 of the last 10 WS champs were large market teams. The other 2, STL and KC, did it mostly with developing a farm system, but they still paid guys like Wainwright, Holliday, Molina. Would you rather see the owners continue to line their pockets, charge $9 Beers and $7 for hot dogs, and put a team on the field like your Atlanta Braves?

      Reply
    • JFactor

      8 years ago

      Loyalty works both ways.

      Why don’t people call to action the loyalty of the teams? Arrieta has worked his tail off for the Cubs, shouldn’t they be loyal to him?

      What about his unions pals? What about his family? Players have other localities than just to the jersey they never chose in the first place.

      Reply
      • Mikel Grady

        8 years ago

        Cubs traded for him when he had era of 5 . They had bosio work his magic . That’s not loyalty?

        Reply
        • JFactor

          8 years ago

          How is that loyalty in any sense of the word? That was the Cubs taking a gamble lol. That’s them simply doing their job.

          Reply
        • Mikel Grady

          8 years ago

          At what cost is It greed on player and agent vs team loyalty? If Cubs offer 5 at 150 and he says no it’s on him not them. If they offer 5 at 75 then it’s on them.

          Reply
  22. Billings 2

    8 years ago

    Why sign him unless you can get him to under $24 mil AAV? I say let him prove in 2017 that he is the same pitcher from 2015 and early 2016.

    Reply
    • Steven P.

      8 years ago

      He is not signing for $24 AAV

      The union strongly pushes players to max out their value to help other players

      Reply
  23. LeoGetz

    8 years ago

    Seriously who’s going to give a 32 year old #3 starter 7 years? Not Theo, forget the extension & see how Arrieta’S numbers look after the season he’s going to regress even more then last year. One positive about Arrieta is he’ll be 31 on opening day with less then 1000 IP. Anything longer then 4 years & the Cubs will regret it, then again Theo is no Hendry tossing out bad contracts left & right. Cubs should give Jake a QO & just go after cheaper younger talent next year.. Duffy, Cobb, Chatwood or wise up deal Schwarber & Baez for pitchers like Archer.

    Reply
    • Kayrall

      8 years ago

      No

      Reply
    • daved

      8 years ago

      First you say he’s 32 and a #3 starter? Then later you state he will be 31 on opening day? And on 75% of the teams in MLB, he’s a #1. So you are all over the map with goofy comments. Next, he is carrying a WHIP BELOW 1.00 for the last 3 seasons. Lastly, he’s probably the mosy fit pitcher in all of baseball. The guy is a fitness and health freak.

      Reply
      • LeoGetz

        8 years ago

        Fact number 1, he will be 32 the first year of his new contract. Fact number 2, opening day he will be 31 with less then 1000 IP. You can call them goofy comments or just Google his birthdate & stats.

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        • McGlynnandjuice

          8 years ago

          I think he was more arguing that he’s not a #3 starter

          Reply
  24. HarveyD82

    8 years ago

    future yankee?

    Reply
  25. JFactor

    8 years ago

    Arrieta lost his slider last year

    From June 27 to the end of the year:
    Arrieta went 7-6 with a 4.44 ERA in 99.1 innings
    7.52 K/9, 3.71 BB/9, 1.18 HR/9 for a guy who only gave up 15 HR’s in almost 400 innings the two years prior.

    If I’m the Cubs, I’m waiting to make certain his pitches are still 2015 effective before I bother extending him.

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    • JFactor

      8 years ago

      If extension talks were now (and I’m guessing he and the Cubs are good with waiting) that the Cubs are unlikely to exceed Lester’s AAV and would probably only want to go 3-4 years, 5th as a max.

      And Arrieta wouldn’t bother with that. He’d see what free agency wanted to give a guy who won a CY Young two years prior

      Reply
    • Mikel Grady

      8 years ago

      Give us his playoff/November stats. He was a ace in playoffs

      Reply
      • JFactor

        8 years ago

        He was?

        22.1 innings, 25 K, 6 BB, 3 HR, 3.63 ERA – continuing the HR issue of 1.21 HR/9. Better K/BB though.

        This only barely moves his second half numbers to an improvement.

        Reply
        • Mikel Grady

          8 years ago

          Reg season 13th in era 5th in wins 1st in baa. 11th in whip for both leagues. Ace

          Reply
  26. babyk79

    8 years ago

    Jake Arrieta is like the most fit pitcher in baseball so I don’t worry too much about his durability, and he has shown the ability to adjust at the major league level so he could always diminish and then revive himself ala verlander. However, I think he won’t sing unless he gets an opt out like Greinkes first contract with dodgers and an Aav like his contract with the dbacks.

    Reply
  27. Enarxis

    8 years ago

    I could only imagine if the Yanks land Quintana/Robertson this off season then decide to spend and land Strasburg and Arrieta ! Lol they will have a back end of;

    Robertson
    Betances
    Chapman

    And a rotation of;

    Arrieta
    Quintana
    Strasburg
    Tanaka
    Severino/or Pineda

    That could look very enticing !

    Reply
    • Mikel Grady

      8 years ago

      Strasburg is a Nat for 6 more years

      Reply
    • theonlyutahbaseballfan

      8 years ago

      Cyborg Whitey Ford is more likely than that happening.

      Strasburg doesn’t have an opt out until 2019 FYI.

      Reply
    • Ry.the.Stunner

      8 years ago

      Strasburg already signed an extension with the Nationals. He’s not a free agent until 2024 and can’t opt out until 2019.

      Reply
  28. Rob66

    8 years ago

    Cubs should offer what they want to pay now and let him think about it during the season. If he doesn’t take it, then see how the market is next off-season.
    Luckily for Arietta, pitchers always seem to get their money–not a glut of top starters out there normally.

    Reply
  29. sss847

    8 years ago

    i don’t know what kind of deal he’ll sign, but i’m willing to bet it will have player options and/or opt outs

    Reply
  30. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    8 years ago

    Arrieta isn’t taking an extension. Don’t hope, don’t wish, it’s just not going to happen.

    Reply
  31. Francisco

    8 years ago

    No way in today’s MLB he gets 5 years. Minimum 6 and someone will get crazy with 7 or option. It will be an albatross by year 3. But teams pay for best and past performance.

    Reply
  32. sddew

    8 years ago

    I agree with several who have said 5/$125m. Paying more than that or adding more years will likely make it an Albatross contract. He will probably get more, but that’s the limit of what I’d pay.

    Reply
  33. pat09

    8 years ago

    They need to let him go unfortunately and keep their money for Bryant and Russell. Move Zobrist back to 2nd base where he belongs and trade Baez for a SP that will replace Arietta

    Reply
  34. wellhitball

    8 years ago

    They’ll regret it if they go over 3/75 for him.

    Reply
  35. Philliesfan4life

    8 years ago

    I say 6 years 165 million with a 7th year option is plenty

    Reply
  36. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    8 years ago

    There’s no reason not to extend him. Unfortunately boras is his agent and we all know he’s a greedy little punk. I really hope Kris Bryant doesn’t leave in 5 years. Boras always was very adiment about getting kb out of Chicago. Anyway. Jake Arreita is at his peak right now. Give him 5 years and 120mil with a 6th year.

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