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Latest On Shohei Otani

By Jeff Todd | November 8, 2017 at 1:31pm CDT

2:23pm: There’s a “tentative understanding” in place simply to extend the prior posting regime for another year, Sherman reports. The MLBPA has yet to weigh in on the subject, though, and there’s still not a final deal in place.

1:31pm: In the wake of Shohei Otani’s decision to hire a MLBPA-certified player representative, it seems that there’ll be a renewed push to figure out a way to resolve the impasse that has threatened to derail his planned move to the majors. Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that there’s a sense that the move will help facilitate an agreement that all involved will approve.

Indeed, Otani’s reps at CAA are scheduled to “meet soon” with the player’s association to attempt to get on the same page in an effort to sort things out, MLB Network’s Jon Morosi tweets. That’s just the first step here, of course, as Otani and the MLBPA will still need to engage with Major League Baseball and Nippon Professional Baseball — the two entities that are primarily negotiating a new system governing inter-league player transfers.

The difficulties here are tied to two factors: first, MLB’s rules capping international bonuses on certain younger international free agents; and second, the expiration of the prior posting system. There was a time when Otani’s current team, the Nippon Ham Fighters, might have auctioned Otani’s negotiating rights for something approaching or even exceeding nine figures while Otani might have commanded a guarantee of as much or more. Under the just-expired transfer system, the Fighters would at least have stood to receive the maximum allowable $20MM fee. But that’s no longer how things work.

The transfer rules currently under contemplation would do away with the (up-to) $20MM flat-fee approach in favor of one that would allow the NPB team to earn a percentage of the bonus the posted player negotiates. If Otani was free to seek his market value, that wouldn’t likely pose a problem. But his earnings are now severely limited; while he is evidently at peace with that, his would-be former team is obviously not enamored of the possibility of losing its best player for what would be relative peanuts.

Under MLB’s current international rules, MLB clubs can’t go past their international spending pools (as supplemented via trade) to sign Otani. Those are even more limited than might be realized, though, due to teams’ preexisting commitments with young international players. (This was already known, of course, though the details remained fuzzy.)

According to a report from the Associated Press, only six teams even have enough uncommitted pool space to offer Otani seven figures. The Rangers ($3.535MM), Yankees ($3.25MM), and Twins ($3.245MM) easily lead the way, with the Pirates ($2.2MM+), Marlins ($1.74MM), and Mariners ($1.57MM+) also have some money to spend — or, perhaps, to trade to a would-be Otani suitor. For someone who is expected to be an immediate and significant contributor at the major-league level, that’s a pittance no matter the precise amount. Of course, he’ll also have a chance to make significant income off the field and through a future extension or trip through arbitration.

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  1. xabial

    8 years ago

    Thank you for the updated individual team INT pool figures.

    Believe it or not, this information is difficult to find.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      When I first started reading this and saw Joel quoted I rolled my eyes. Joel seems to be a fixture all over MLB network this week,just can’t get away from this guy.

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      • lowtalker1

        8 years ago

        It’s better then joe buck

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          Yea the worst of two evils…

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        • matthew102402

          8 years ago

          Nothing compares to Nick Cafardo.

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  2. thegreatcerealfamine

    8 years ago

    Hey @outinleftfield is this clear enough for you on what the Yankees have to spend or do you need to quote from another outdated article? I would think if winning soon is important to this guy and endorsements NY is the place…Madison Avenue folks.

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    • houkenflouken

      8 years ago

      It just depends whether or not he’s trying to cash out.

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      • Adam6710

        8 years ago

        Hey may not be focused on money for his initial contact, but surely he’ll be looking for the best place to maximize his earnings long term, seeing as he is limited in what he can sign for right now.

        A few considerations he might have:
        1) where is the best place to give him a chance to win a World Series?
        2) where is the best place to showcase his talent on a big stage?
        3) where is the best place to offer value outside of his contract? (i.e.: commercial endorsements, appearances, etc).
        4) where is the best place for him to perform in a comfortable atmosphere?

        Certainly he will look to big markets like New York, LA, and Chicago for 2 and 3. He may look at the Nationals, Astros, and Red Sox as good places to win, and he may see Seattle as a good fit for comfort.

        His agent may push for him to join a team who’s stadium and divisional competition will help his numbers, thus setting him up for a bigger long term deal.

        Right now I’d peg the Dodgers, Yankees, and Cubs as the front runners, but mostly because of the “win-now” position he’ll want to be in.

        Question: can a minor league deal have an opt-out? If not, how many years is a deal for Otani likely to be for?

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        • mdbaseball05

          8 years ago

          You’re leaving off a big factor, which is probably his biggest, which is the ability to hit. That automatically puts any AL team in the front-running unless the NL team wants to play him in the field and risk injury.

          Plus, being that he is from Japan, endorsements probably won’t matter that much. In general, players are going to get them wherever, and the biggest markets don’t have the largest endorsements. And, his majority of endorsements will come from Japanese companies, which will have little impact on what team he chooses. Unless said city has a large Japanese population.

          Another point, young players tend to like to build a championship team, where older players like to join one. I think had the Cubs not just won the World Series, they’d be in the running. I’d look at teams like Seattle and Washington (never won a championship, Seattle also having a large Japanese population with history of players and the need for a DH and corner OFer on occasion), Astros (young championship team that also needs a DH), Yankees (same as Astros), with a chance of Texas and LAD because of the Darvish connection, and then, of course whatever team signs Darvish.

          There’s a lot that goes into that we don’t know. It’ll be fun. Like, does he want to be an “Ace” where a team like Seattle or the Yankees has an advantage over someone like Houston since he’d be behind Verlander and Keuchel? Who knows.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Have to disagree on the edge to an AL team signing Otani. I doubt very much that any AL team would be willing to allow him start every fifth day and bat and run the bases in between starts. That seems hugely unlikely. The NL automatically gets him 100 ABs a season just on the days he starts, with possible pitch hitting and use as a DH when playing in AL parks. That could easily add up to 200 ABs a season, which is a lot of exposure to base running for any pitcher. I see him more as a Bumgarner type, a pitcher who doesn’t create a hole in the lineup when he starts (assuming he can hit MLB pitching, which is hardly a given).

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          How do you figure “the biggest markets don’t have the biggest endorsements? He would certainly not be the ace on the Yankees that is Severino. Why do you feel endorsements wouldn’t matter that much?

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        • Adam6710

          8 years ago

          I tend to agree with you on NL vs. AL, but any NL team in on Otani will likely be willing to take the risk of putting him the field. Given that he’s not going to cost any team more than a few million, I think it’s probably a risk many NL teams will be willing to take.

          As for endorsements, Otani, in a place like New York, Chicago, or LA, has an opportunity to be a big star and get endorsements from bigger companies that advertise and invest heavily in those areas (being the face of Modell’s sporting goods in the New York area, for example, who has over a hundred locations in New York and New Jersey).

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        • Joe Kerr

          8 years ago

          I don’t personally think there is advantage one way or another for AL vs. NL.. If he goes to an AL team and can hit like the scouts seem to think, he could conceivably DH 2-3 times per week and can also hit for himself on his pitching day while having the worst offensive player on the field not hit to rack up at least 400 AB’s or DH an additional day and not hit when he is pitching just to concentrate that day on pitching only. If he goes to a NL team, he would obviously hit for himself and could play a corner OF spot 2-3 times per week and end up receiving the same amount of AB’s per year. He could also be used as a pinch hitter equally for either league.

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        • slider32

          8 years ago

          Seems to me that being a DH is much less physical than an everyday player, Yes there is a big difference. When AL teams want to rest a starter they put him at DH.

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        • Adam6710

          8 years ago

          I agree that it’s much more attractive as a team to have him at DH on his non pitching days. But if an NL team wants him, having to play him in the field 4 other days won’t stop them.

          The question is, what does HE want to do? Does he WANT to play a position? Will his agent advise him to go to an AL team to keep him off the field, and allow him to avoid injury risks, and perhaps prolong his career?

          In the end it’s more Otani and his agent that will dictate this, so considering what works best for a team is really kind of pointless. Given his minuscule price tag, there’s not a single team that won’t want him, DH or not.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          No matter how much or little a team pays for his services, they are going to want to get the most out of him. Pitchers coming to MLB from NPB usually need a period to acclimate. They are starting more often, the ball is a different size, and the hitters are just that much better. Thinking of Otani as a drop-in instant double-threat is probably not realistic. He is still young, and apparently human.

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        • Curtis Beale

          8 years ago

          I may be wrong, but I believe a DH is limited to hitting for the pitcher only. I do not believe they can DH for the weakest position player.

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        • mdbaseball05

          8 years ago

          On your endorsement point, location doesn’t really matter at all. It’s all national exposure, and in Otani’s case, the vast majority of his will come from Japan, making where he plays in the U.S. kind of a moot point. If you really want to dig into the highest paid MLB stars based on endorsement deals, here are your top ones from 2016:

          1. David Ortiz (Boston)
          2. Buster Posey (SF)
          3. Robinson Cano (Seattle)
          4. Miguel Cabrera (Detroit)
          5. Albert Pujols (LAA)
          6. Masahiro Tanaka (NYY)
          7. Joe Mauer (Min)
          8. Clayton Kershaw (LAD)
          9. C.C. Sabathia (NYY)
          10. Jacoby Ellsbury (NYY)

          Point is, location doesn’t matter. He’s going to get endorsements anywhere. It’s more just about the athlete.

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        • gorav114

          8 years ago

          What? AL teams can put any rostered player they want in the DH spot.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          You are not wrong and I am kind of shocked that this hasn’t come up in the discussion before. According to AL rules, the DH has to bat for the pitcher, so I believe this means in the AL that Otani could not bat on days he pitches unless the rule would allow him to be both a pitcher and the DH on those days. If the rules did allow this, then what happens to the DH if he is relieved as the starter? What happens on the mound if they pinch hit for him?

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        • Cat Mando

          8 years ago

          @ BlueSky Not exactly. A team has to declare before the game if they are using a DH. On the days he pitches the declare no DH but that means if he only lasts 5 innings each pitcher after him either has to bat or they use a PH….basically the days he pitches it NL rules for his team.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Yes, I get that, but if the team decided to forego a DH in a game he pitched then his team better be confident he’s a better offensive choice than someone else at DH. It’s really difficult to see any AL team doing that. More importantly I don’t see how any AL team could convince Otani that they’d be willing to forego the DH whenever he started, assuming getting a lot of ABs is a big priority for him.

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        • Cat Mando

          8 years ago

          “I doubt very much that any AL team would be willing to allow him start every fifth day and bat and run the bases in between starts.” Quote from SI article dated 4/16/17 Brian Cashman has already told the Yukan Fuji News back in 2014, “Hey, if [both pitching and hitting] is what he wants, it’s hard to argue if he won’t sign otherwise.”
          si.com/mlb/2017/04/06/shohei-ohtani

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          This might be the most fascinating storyline in baseball in many years, but still, I would not put a lot of stock in what one GM said about him three years ago. So much remains to be seen, including the player himself performing in the MLB environment.

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        • Cat Mando

          8 years ago

          He turned down the Dodgers years ago because “They (Nippon) approached me, ‘What do you think about doing both?’” he recalls. “I definitely wanted to try it. I still thought I had a chance to be a great hitter at a professional level.” He wants to prove he can do the same thing in the US. If a team offers him several million just to pitch, after everything I have read about him, he will turn them down. If someone offers a million less and says he can hit and pitch, I would bet anything that is where he signs.
          This is a kid who lives in the team dorms and walks to get his groceries. He lives on the $1,000/month his parents send him because he wants it that way. He cares about one thing…play baseball at a high level on his terms.

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        • Cat Mando

          8 years ago

          He has been consistent saying he wants to do both. If no team guarantees him both then why leave Japan? He make 2 million a year now…he would undoubtedly end up being the highest paid player in Japan and he has repeatedly said it’s about baseball and proving he can do both…not money.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          The question should be: why leave Japan before becoming a free agent? Not only does that offer him more money (though he says it doesn’t interest him, you can be sure it interests his agent). But even more importantly, it puts more teams solidly in play for his services, and thus creates more options for him to get what he wants. In the end, what a player wants and what he gets are not necessarily the same thing, but he can put himself in a better position. Otani isn’t doing that, for reasons that aren’t exactly apparent.

          The other side of the Dodgers’ effort to sign him out of high school was, had they succeeded, the poaching would have caused a lot of bad feeling between MLB and NPB. I don’t think we will ever know all of that story. A lot of baseball politics lurks in the background, for sure.

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        • mehs

          8 years ago

          So your argument is an AL team will not allow him to DH due to injury risk but an NL team will allow him to DH on the days when they play the AL.

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        • Cat Mando

          8 years ago

          First of all BlueSky, thanks for the civil discussion. I quite commenting here when the format changed and then it slowly became home to those who resort to insult when someone disagrees. I do admit it will be hard for me to not slip in a sarcastic remark aimed a select few of the commenter that love to put on displays of animalistic puffery. I have seen hundred of your comments and agree with your probably 95% of the time but now back to the discussion at hand.
          I’m not crazy enough to believe that he will sign with the Indians or Rockies who each only have 10 grand left but at the $300,000 and up that leaves 24 teams. 1 are capped at the 300 grand mark, 6 have $440,000 to $900,000 and 6 above $1.5mm. There will be plenty with interest and a fair shot.
          Even though MLB has said the will watch this carefully so no team tries to skirt the rules we all know that there will probably some gentlemen’s agreement from both sides. Clubs will say if you perform at a high level we will extend you in 2 years and he will have to concede that if he can’t hit MLB pitching he will give up his demands (while his numbers are impressive he does have a lifetime K rate of 27% against generally inferior pitching).
          As to other things…yes money interests his agent by the decision is ultimately Otani’s and Japan is a much different culture. We have also seen several player who would have or could have landed bigger contracts by opting out decide to stay where they are happy. We have also seen others turn down lager sums in FA to go where they want even as far back as Cliff Lee spurning the Yankees to sign with the Phils.
          I tend to take people at their word (as long as they have not given me reason to doubt them) and I really do believe it will come down to what makes him happy and not mush else. It would surprise me to see him shun NYY’s $3.25mm for Seattle’s $1.5mm for example

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          @ Meh Sheep: No, that wasn’t my argument. To clarify, I doubt an AL team would allow him to DH every day between starts. In Japan he doesn’t bat on days before he starts. Here, I’d be surprised if any team allowed him to bat on the day after either. Considering the shorter rotation in MLB that leave two days between starts. I assume the same rule would apply to him if he played for a NL team but in the NL he’d get around 100 PAs in a season in games in he started.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          @ Cat Mando: Likewise. These boards can devolve in to pot-shot exchanges pretty quickly so it’s always a pleasure when someone actually wants to exchange complete thoughts. Much appreciated.

          All the dollar-offers Otani will be allowed to accept based on the over-the-table rules are going to be trivial in baseball terms. I don’t necessarily disbelieve his disinterest in money, which may very well be quite genuine, but still he might well get just this one bite of the apple. The difference in what he’d get between signing under the current rules and waiting for free agency in two years is potentially so huge it’s difficult to fathom it being of absolutely no interest to him (or his family). A true baseball monk, now that would be pretty darned unusual. Even more than a pitcher who can hit.

          This suggests to me the likelihood of some sort of off-the-record side agreement. If so it also means he’d want to deal with teams he knows he can trust. Pretty fascinating any way you look at it.

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        • Cat Mando

          8 years ago

          @ BlueSky We may disagree slightly but we a both in agreement “Pretty fascinating any way you look at it.” He will eventually, if he can preform and remain healthy, make a boat load of money. That is all but inevitable. As I said, I take people at their word and I think this kid is as close to a true “baseball monk” as either of us are likely to see. Have a great day…thanks for the chat.

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  3. Ully

    8 years ago

    I am guessing that this will be the most watched off season transaction. All this just adds to his already mystical status for us in the US. Seeing the Yankees in the running looks like front runner to land him. Since he wants to be a two way player, he must be excited to wear the same uniform Babe Ruth wore.

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    • mdbaseball05

      8 years ago

      Just a hunch, but I don’t think Otani cares about Babe Ruth. I’m guessing he’d be more likely to want to wear the same jersey as his idol, Yu Darvish. That means Texas or the Dodgers, or whoever might sign him now. I’m not a fan of either of those teams and would personally love to see him in Seattle. I just think to say he’d want to be a Yankee and that they are the front-runners because he wants to wear the same jersey as Ruth is a little wishful thinking. The guy grew up watching Japanese baseball…

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      • Ully

        8 years ago

        I see your point, I was just looking at the money they have to spend.

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        • mdbaseball05

          8 years ago

          Yeah, he’s going to be an interesting one to watch this off-season since he could literally go anywhere. Especially if he holds true to the not caring about money thing, which I think he will based on the fact that he’s giving up a ton of money already just to come here early. There are a lot of teams that have a chance. But, based on the DH, I think it will be an AL team. And, I think it’ll be a younger team. My guess is Yankees, Astros, and Seattle (mostly based on location and former Japanese players… and wishful thinking)

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        • sgtpain20

          8 years ago

          Not trying to rain on your parade but Mariners is not going to bench Nelson Cruz just so a pitcher can bat..Cruz is to slow to play outfield and will most likely DH for the M’s until he retires. Otani does play outfield…maybe put Haniger or Gam in Center?

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        • 24TheKid

          8 years ago

          Dipoto has already said that Haniger could play center field next year.

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        • MHanny17

          8 years ago

          Cruz only has 1 year left on his deal so I think it’s completely possible that they only have Ohtani DH maybe once a week to give Cruz a day off during Ohtani’s first year while he gets adjusted pitching and then have him hit more the next few years when Cruz is gone

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      • wattyman69

        8 years ago

        That’s a great point you made.

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      • Adam6710

        8 years ago

        I don’t think wearing Ruth’s uni will be a deciding factor, but if he ends up on the Yankees I’m sure he would appreciate the famous connection.

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      • rocky7

        8 years ago

        The biggest player in Japan wants to be on and prove himself on the biggest stage on baseball…..and that isn’t in Texas! No disrespect meant towards the Rangers but it is probable that his stage is in LA or NY.
        I think the “lets follow Ru Darvish” he’s my hero is way overblown.
        All wrapped up in the current makeup of the two teams (competitive and potentially dominant franchises forward) and the marketing and the dollars he can make on endorsements to lessen the blow of signing at the MLB minimum when he already is considered a star in his country.

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      • Mikel Grady

        8 years ago

        He will wear pinstripes . Blue ones with cubs

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        • mlb1225

          8 years ago

          He’s more likley to sign with An AL club anyway. He can get more at-bats as a DH, and hit every 5th day as well.

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      • gorav114

        8 years ago

        What I read indicated his favorite player growing up was Hideki Matsui and Darvish is just a good friend. We all know he’s going to the Yankees, cold hard lock

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        • Cat Mando

          8 years ago

          He had two favorite players growing up….quote from SI article dated 4/16/ 17″Imitating both his favorite hitter (Hideki Matsui) and favorite flamethrower (Yu Darvish)”

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      • Yuji

        8 years ago

        He says he prefers to join a team without a player from Japan so he could be on his own instead of depending on him to blend in the team and environment.

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          “He says he prefers to join a team without a player from Japan””

          Well, that would certainly make the Phillies the favorite, if only Otani could have plastic surgery and convince John Middleton he was from Nebraska.

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        • Flapjax55

          8 years ago

          I feel dirty laughing at that.

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      • dmarcus4290

        8 years ago

        Yeah he’ll will freeze over before someone wears #3!

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      • BronxBomber7

        8 years ago

        He literally could go to any of the 27 ML organizations ; however, if we’re talking likelihoods, he will sign with the Yankees. Great young core; Masahiro Tanaka; Great future. 7 games with the Astros.

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    • Michael0021

      8 years ago

      Texas leads the way as you read. True Yankee fan thinks everyone wants to be in NY

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      • jh8913

        8 years ago

        Any fan hopes any great player wants to play for their team

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      • edreed20

        8 years ago

        If your implying the extra couple hundred thousand is leading the way I promise the New York would be able to convince him that plus some could be made up in other ways.

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        • mehs

          8 years ago

          Except the high New York income tax versus no income tax in Texas.

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  4. MuleorAstroMule

    8 years ago

    The new CBA has really done it’s best to ensure MLB becomes a less international sport. Teams are already shrinking their Latin American scouting operations due to the restrictions put on signing international amateurs and now Japanese teams are realizing it’s not in their best interest to let their best players go stateside.

    Also, not paying what these players are worth is what led teams like Atlanta and Boston down creatively nefarious paths that got them in trouble with MLB.

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    • Modified_6

      8 years ago

      It’s funny, U.S. guys go through tears of renewable contracts and eventually arbitration yet everyone acts like it’s awful that guys from other countries aren’t going to make ridiculously high first-time MLB contracts anymore.

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      • MuleorAstroMule

        8 years ago

        Yeah it’s better that money stays in the billionaire owner pockets so they can keep doing everything they can to keep ticket prices down, right?

        Sorry, I’d rather see the best players on the field rather than ensuring the richest stay a little richer.

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        • Modified_6

          8 years ago

          You completely dodged the point and instead went straight to rich-bashing… those players wouldn’t be paid a thing without those rich billionaires, don’t forget that.

          That wasn’t even the topic though… why is it awful that a lot of non-U.S. guys are now going to have to go through smaller contracts initially? Why is that system fine for U.S. born players but somehow wrong if they’re from another country?

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          “those players wouldn’t be paid a thing without those rich billionaires””

          Are you serious? I really want to clarify if you meant to write that.

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        • Modified_6

          8 years ago

          If you have no employer, you are not an employee. You think ball players would be making millions without a league to play in? Without these billionaire owners you have no league. I️ don’t like them (owners) anymore than anyone else does, but you’re not thinking clearly if you can’t comprehend that.

          What about that is false? No league. No teams. No baseball players.

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        • Modified_6

          8 years ago

          Oh give me a break… if you’re trying to convert “those players” into non-U.S. born players that’s not what I️ mean. I’m talking about athletes in general.

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          Your perspective is remarkably stupid, that’s why I asked for clarification.

          I’ve proposed – in Fangraphs comments – that the players should have planned ahead to start a league of their own before negotiations on a new agreement took place and if they didn’t get their demands met they should simply play in their own league.

          The MLB owners are nothing more or less than bloodsucking parasites who won’t even pay for their own ballpark.

          Saying that we need billionaire owners to have MLB is like saying we need organized crime such as John Gotti represented so we could have women stripping in clubs.

          If there were no pimps………

          There used to be “numbers rackets” then the government took over by running lotteries. Same thing with casinos.

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        • Modified_6

          8 years ago

          You’re delusions if you really believe their league would be anywhere near as lucrative as the MLB.

          If the players thought it would be, they would have already created their own league.

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        • Flapjax55

          8 years ago

          A league of their own…ok let’s see.. to start the discussion they’ll need safe, accessible venues, tv deals, several types of insurance, vendors, umpires, a central set of officials to organize and schedule as well as coordinate rules and promote the games…seems pretty expensive.

          Anyone recall the USFL?

          We’ve seen how this would end.

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          “tv deals””

          You don’t think those TV deals that MLB has in place are valid if Mike Trout, Bryce Harper and the rest aren’t playing in MLB anymore do you?

          The TV deals would quickly follow the MLB players.

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        • Modified_6

          8 years ago

          Oh, well all those other problems would just be a piece of cake to overcome.

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        • MuleorAstroMule

          8 years ago

          When did I ever say it was fine for US based players? What they are paid in the minor leagues is basically criminal. Not sure why it has to be an “us vs them” thing. The reality is players from every country are now making less of the total pie than they have in quite some time.

          And those savings aren’t passed on to us.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      8 years ago

      Can you provide a link to the Latin American scouting operations shrinking comment?

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      • mehs

        8 years ago

        Couldn’t be the Orioles you can’t get below 0.

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  5. BlueSkyLA

    8 years ago

    Seem Otani has chosen the worst possible moment to jump to MLB, not only in terms of his own earning ability, but for his current team. The posting rules are so much in flux his team has every incentive to deny him posting this year and to wait for when the rules become more favorable for NPB teams.

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  6. thump

    8 years ago

    All this Darvish talk is speculative, just because a guy is his “idol” doesnt mean it is the final factor or even plays into the decsion of where he winds up. If that is the case than why doesn’t his off season workout buddy Tanaka factor in?

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  7. thegreatcerealfamine

    8 years ago

    outinleftfield clear enough for you on what the Yanks have spend?

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    • xabial

      8 years ago

      Glad you called him out,
      I don’t like other people bringing other people into threads, they’re not involved but this one’s warranted, Thanks.

      In case anyone’s wondering…

      You can see it here: mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/negotiation-impasse-cou… or click on the “impasse” link in this article.

      That was 100% fake BS, he kept spreading about this topic he knew nothing about (Yanks INT pool situation) I’m still waiting for him to apologize, and admit he was wrong.

      He thought BBA IFA figures were heaven and earth.

      But BBA uses the MLB assigned IFA pool figures” ($4.75M in case of the Yankees) which don’t reflect trades, pool money changed hands. Every time I told him that, he completely dismissed me and kept repeating “Yanks only have $50K IFA pool”!

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        Yea I called him out earlier and my post was under moderation. Then there’s the guy on this thread saying MLB is shrinking it’s presence in the international market,of course I asked for a link but no reply. Finally the guy who claims market size and location has no factor on endorsements…head scratchers

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    • xabial

      8 years ago

      Info for IFA pools adjusted for trades, is difficult to find for leading IFA pool clubs, but Sherman conveniently listed it for us (This is Sherman’s best article of the year, pure/facts substance on a topic we have little information on, not intended to stir controversy from nothing) I’m Sherman’s biggest critic here because I can’t stand the constant negative coverage of his articles, but compared to all his other articles, this one’s Pulitzer worthy.

      In the other thread, I’m surprised more people didn’t call him out on it (or Jeff, even though’s article was about Posting system in flux) which shows you the extent of how annoying it was to locate (and calculate) IFA pools for active, engaged teams in IFA front.

      I told outinleftfield had Yanks@ $4.15M based off Sept 2017 NJ com article; and my calculations (It’s $3.15M, but still a lot closer than his $50k….) You’d think this info would be easily found on the internet, but IFA pool trades, are the killer. .

      Thanks Sherman, for doing the math, getting the info, conveniently listing updated IFA pool figures for all clubs 1 place.

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      • xabial

        8 years ago

        edit: It’s $3.25M*, but still a lot closer than

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        • xabial

          8 years ago

          Uhh this is awkward.. I thought Sherman wrote the AP report…

          The only reference, Sherman makes to Otani’s salary in his article, is he says Otani will make ”high end to around $4M” or $300,000 (for those penalty teams)

          There’s an old saying:

          “You see what you want to see, and hear what you want to hear”….

          I still think the AP deserves a Pulitzer for this.

          But looks like you were right (regarding what you said about Sherman) This one was intensely speculative as well. Ofc he wouldn’t be the one to break the top teams IFA money….that would actually be useful

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      • xabial

        8 years ago

        In my 2nd post, reply to cereal, Replace “Sherman” with the Associated Press.

        They’re the ones who broke the updated list of teams IFA pool money (top IFA pool teams hardest to find and calculate with absolute certainty )

        Sherman did nothing.

        Praise AP, they deserve the credit.

        And give them the Pulitzer for reporting this hard to find info (IFA pools of all teams)

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  8. davidcoonce74

    8 years ago

    Does anyone know if there’s anything in the rules that would preclude a team from signing him for the small amount of money they are allowed to, then immediately giving him an extension?

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    • Siriusrooney

      8 years ago

      The MLB would be all over that team in that scenario. In fact Rob Manfred specifically mentioned they will be on the lookout for something like this. Not just him, all the 29 other teams who doesn’t end up signing him.

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  9. slider32

    8 years ago

    I’m hoping Ohtani comes to the states and is able to pitch and DH at least 3 times a week. I have always thought that this was possible. There are some college players that pitch and play, why not in the majors.Maybe Ohtani will open it up for guys like Brandon McKay of the Rays to do the same thing.

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    • Caseys Partner

      8 years ago

      Otani is a corner outfielder.

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      • Cat Mando

        8 years ago

        “Otani is a corner outfielder.” Who has not fielded a position other than pitcher since 2014. Over two season he had 57 games in RF and 7 in LF

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          If Otani is going to hit than he’s going to be a corner outfielder.

          His future aa a two way player is with an NL team.

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        • Cat Mando

          8 years ago

          He currently DH’s in Japan, he does not play the field. He pitches and bats for himself, then he usually DH’s until the day before his next start. He does not DH the day before he pitches. So tell me why it would be different for an AL team in the states.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Well, for one thing, he’d pitch on only four days rest here instead of five as in Japan. This is already a pretty big challenge for pitchers making the move.

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        • Cat Mando

          8 years ago

          Completely agree. Several things many do not think of concerning players from Japan, Cuba etc is length of season, days off and travel. In Cuba the season is about 90 games (not including playoffs). Japan is considerably longer at 144 games but every team takes one day off a week. There is never a 18 game stretch with no off days. There are also no 5 hour red eye flights crossing 3 time zones.

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        • Sibert18

          8 years ago

          Makes more sense to DH for an AL team. Most NL teams won’t want to risk their star pitcher getting injured in the OF on his off days…

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          No, Otani does not have to pitch on four days rest. You claim to be a Dodgers fan?

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        • mlb1225

          8 years ago

          It’s unlikely he will sign with a NL team. His destination is more likely an AL team, where he can DH. Like Cat Mando said, he hasn’t played any other position other than pitcher since 2014, but hasn’t played more than 50 games there since 2013. The most I can see him being is an emergency OF/1B.

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  10. Macho King

    8 years ago

    Otani will be a Yankee and will be sitting next to the Clutch playoff pitcher and fellow Japanese countryman the Classy Masahiro Tanaka.

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  11. dmarcus4290

    8 years ago

    Seems like the international system is flawed. they need to have a draft just like the 1st yr draft.

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    • CursedRangers

      8 years ago

      Spot on

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  12. brucewayne

    8 years ago

    I see him going to the Yankees or maybe the Mariners.

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  13. Chris Koch

    8 years ago

    So in the Minnesota notation, does that come from the 3mil. now opened up to sign to from voiding Marte’s contract? Or do they now possess over 6million to sign Otani?

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