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Quick Hits: Aardsma, Coke, Market Analysis

By Jeff Todd | February 5, 2018 at 11:08pm CDT

Former MLB righty David Aardsma has announced on his podcast that he’s officially calling it quits as a ballplayer and joining the Blue Jays front office as coordinator of player development. The 36-year-old, a former first-round draft pick, last pitched in the majors in 2015 and spent some time at Triple-A in the following season with the Toronto organization. Over nine years with eight MLB organizations, Aardsma ran a 4.27 ERA over 337 frames. He’ll surely be remembered best for a two-year run with the Mariners in which he closed out 69 games and maintained a 2.90 ERA. MLBTR — which once hosted Aardsma on its own podcast — wishes him the very best in his new pursuit.

Here are a few more stray notes from around the game:

  • Lefty Phil Coke is hoping to reinvent himself as a knuckle-baller, according to Chris Cotillo of SB Nation (via Twitter). The 35-year-old, a nine-year MLB veteran, spent some time last year with Japan’s Orix Buffaloes but has had a tough time gaining traction in recent seasons. Coke had long utilized a varied arsenal and shown good velocity from the left side, so he ought to have some interesting potential accompanying tools to go with his new knuckler.
  • Of course, looking at the state of the market is just not possible without examining the general lack of action. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic again offers some worthwhile perspective in a subscription piece, chiding both the player and team sides for “bickering” over pace-of-play discussions when what’s needed is a joint commitment to evolving the game — and, no doubt, an effort to deal with the dangerous rise in labor tension. ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick, meanwhile, asks whether certain unsigned free agents could actually decide to open their own spring camp. Different players and agents have different takes on the concept; what’s most notable, perhaps, is the fact that it’s even a topic of conversation at all.
  • Even if there’s a resolution to the current impasse, it seems there’ll likely be a broader, ongoing conversation about where the game of baseball is headed when it comes to player-team relations. Baseball America’s J.J. Cooper argues that the current rules regime creates skewed incentives that do not reward teams that try to contend but come up a bit short. He discusses a few possible ideas, promoting in particular a “tank tax” that docks organizations in the draft if they put together consecutive sub-70-win campaigns. Cooper suggests this kind of mechanism could function similarly to the soccer approach of relegation. Ultimately, the MLBPA may need to begin considering more drastic measures, Nathaniel Grow writes at Fangraphs. He raises the possibility that the union could strategically disband to open the door to an antitrust lawsuit. While that threat might be utilized first as a means to gain leverage in future CBA talks, Grow explains that it could be a realistic option at some point.
  • Those interested in getting the full range of opinions on top prospects from around the game will want to check out the latest top-100 lists. The Baseball Prospectus staff and Fangraphs’ Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel have graded out the game’s best pre-MLB players from their perspectives.
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  1. halos101

    7 years ago

    Ok this tank tax idea is pure gold.

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    • tycobb016

      7 years ago

      How about everybody try to win every season. Do your best every year. That would be better.

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      • halos101

        7 years ago

        that’s what it is now and look at the results. Until GMs have a reason to not tank they will, and their smart for it

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        • wrigleywannabe

          7 years ago

          tank tax is idiotic. What if a team is trying and is just bad? It does happen..

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        • Seven_Costanza

          7 years ago

          Then they pay some tax, it’s not the end of the world.

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        • jleve618

          7 years ago

          I wouldn’t call losing some picks just paying some tax.

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        • Wainofan

          7 years ago

          Imagine that, a cubs fan opposed to a tank tax. Shocking! Everyone actually trying their best to compete every year would be best

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          Ya, because it will be great watching the same 10-12 team in the playoffs every year because nobody will be able to get a good foundation. Are the Padres better off today rebuilding or were they better off going for it in 2015? I don’t know if you’re just trolling a cubs fan or not, but tanking is effective, whether you like it or not. The Astros won a World Series and are set up for a long time, the cubs won a World Series and are set up for a long time. The Pittsburgh Penguins tanked for a while and they’ve been good for over a decade since.

          Teams realize it’s better to be smart and rebuilding is how you do that’s

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        • chesteraarthur

          7 years ago

          Yeah, how crazy, someone who saw how it works for the better long term future of a team thinks it might be good for teams. Crazy. i know.

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        • stymeedone

          7 years ago

          What do you consider a long time? Look at KC. They were the first in. Now they are the first out. What was their run? 3-4 years. Now how long to rebuild again? Probably longer than their run? It’s a six year clock. Years 1-3 are likely used building the foundation. Years 4-6 are spent trading excess prospects to stay on top. Year 7 begins the exodus. Seems more like a fad. KC went thru 25 years of rebuild because you dont win a WS with every rebuild. The Tigers went thru 20 years of rebuild, and money kept the window open for 10 years, but failed to get the top prize. Why will your team be different?

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        • themed

          7 years ago

          The cubs started all of this tanking crap. They deliberately lost and suddenly the front office was labeled genius’s. Now look where the state of baseball is in. Take pride in your team! Always try to win! So you win one time in 100 years. To me it’s very tainted on the way you achieved that. I would be embarrassed not proud at all like cub fans are now. They are still the laughing stock of baseball and the longest drought of any professional sports team will never be forgotten.

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        • Wainofan

          7 years ago

          Or you could go for it every year and have a perpetual window of competing. But you have to be smart about free agents, trades, drafts, budgets and front office hires. Tanking has absolutely worked for cubs and Astros but will it last without tanking again in future? My cards have never tanked and they have been competitive every year of my adult lifetime(I’m 41). I would put the cards postseason track record up against any team in that timeframe, barring the Yankees, all the while never tanking and being small market team and seldom being on top ten of salaries. How about more teams afoot this method so going into any given year we have 30 teams vying for title as opposed to the current appr. 20 who are competing this year.

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        • Wainofan

          7 years ago

          *Adopt not afoot

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        • jakem59

          7 years ago

          The Cubs were far from the first time to utilize tanking

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        • Kayrall

          7 years ago

          *yawn*

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        • chesteraarthur

          7 years ago

          cool, so 1 team out of 30 has managed it. Great sample.

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      • #Fantasygeekland

        7 years ago

        Not *every* year because what happens when you finish with 65 wins? Go all in? At that point you really need to find out how to win 20+ more games and that takes a rebuild. Then wait 3/4 years and then go all in. But I agree that teams should generally in a majority of cases try to compete.

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        • herecomethephillies2018

          7 years ago

          Tell that to the 2017 Twins.

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        • jakem59

          7 years ago

          Fine, but you can tell the 2015 Twins that they’re about to really dislike 2016. Those smaller market middling 80-85 win teams are always inconsistent and are just as likely to maintain that pace as they are to plummet back to the basement.

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    • MattyWil

      7 years ago

      Tank tax is horrible the only one who needs it is Miami. Don’t think teams try to lose as much (like the NBA) but rather try to trade for prospects that just happen to hurt their current big league team

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    • ChiSoxCity

      7 years ago

      A so-called tank tax would guarantee perpetual mediocrity throughout the league and rob all hope from the fans. The only way to truly punish owners who refuse to invest in their teams (Pirates, A’s, Orioles) is to boycott the games. Period.

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      • Wainofan

        7 years ago

        The adversion to tanking has done the exact opposite in St Louis. It has given its fans hope every year for past 20 years. Doesn’t always work out and some years were better than others, but never was there a year that there was no hope in St. Louis because we knew our team was tanking.

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        • ChiSoxCity

          7 years ago

          Huh?

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    • Kayrall

      7 years ago

      Every new attempt to fix exploited loopholes results in at least one new one. Just eliminate all regulation and let the true market define the outcome.

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      • ChiSoxCity

        7 years ago

        That is extremely spurious logic, and counterproductive to progress made over the last 50 years towards promoting parity and fair play.

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  2. GONEcarlo

    7 years ago

    So now who’s first alphabetically?

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    • hiflew

      7 years ago

      On 40 man rosters, Albert Abreu of the Yankees, then Ronald Acuna of the Braves. Fernando Abad is still in the minors though.

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      • ReverieDays

        7 years ago

        He’s not “in the minors” he’s a free agent.

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        • hiflew

          7 years ago

          Oh my bad, I just knew he wasn’t on the 40 man. Thanx for the info.

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      • Joe Kerr

        7 years ago

        Jose Abreu would also come before Acuna.

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  3. 8791Slegna

    7 years ago

    Aardsma: If you haven’t played in the Majors since 2015, then retirement is announcing you.

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    • Free Clay Zavada

      7 years ago

      In Soviet Russia?

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      • liamsfg

        7 years ago

        Hahahaha

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    • hawaiiphil

      7 years ago

      I love that post !!!!

      Announcing u!

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    • wrigleywannabe

      7 years ago

      so, guys who go to the minors should just retire ? what about over seas?

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  4. davidcoonce74

    7 years ago

    Best of luck to Coke on his attempt at the knuckler. Obviously, left-handed knuckleballers in MLB history are extremely rare…only four total and one of those guys was a guy who only pitched 16 games. Obviously Wilbur Wood is the only famous/successful one.

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    • Cam

      7 years ago

      Obviously.

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      • yoyo137

        7 years ago

        Don’t be so mean, the 74 in his name is his age

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        • wrigleywannabe

          7 years ago

          Right, insults are deserved….because he actually knows baseball history..

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          I think even a fairly casual fan should know who Wilbur Wood is, especially one who is commenting on a baseball-specific website. Wood was a Cy Young runner up one year and had a long and productive career and is actually pretty well-known for being a left-handed knuckler.

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        • RockHard

          7 years ago

          Dafuq? You should put a disclaimer on that about anyone 60+ years old.. I consider myself an avid baseball fan and he might as well be Elmer Fudd..

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        • ABCD

          7 years ago

          Check out Wilbur’s stats and you’ll be wondering how he did that.

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          I’m 43. I wasn’t alive when Wilbur was pitching. I don’t quite know how anyone could love baseball and not be just a little bit curious about its history. But maybe that’s just me.

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        • tycobb016

          7 years ago

          One year Wood started both games of a doubleheader. I think it was against the Yankees. Got shelled in the first game and didnt last long. Sox had a few knuckleballers back then. Eddie Fisher was one. In 1965 I think it was, Eddie finished 5th in MVP voting.

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    • User 4245925809

      7 years ago

      Wood also pitched 2 CG’s in a DH. Think he lost ’em both. Been well over 40y and memory fades, but that guy would have lasted longer had he not been the only pitcher worth a flip on those early 70’s chisox teams. they were really pathetic outside of Dick allen, bill melton and then Wood. just awful.

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      • Tim Newport

        7 years ago

        In 1972 Wood started 49 games, and pitched 374 innings!

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      • king joffrey

        7 years ago

        I don”t believe Wilbur completed either of the games he started in the doubleheader. In fact, IIRC, he didn’t retire a batter in the game 1 torching before being lifted by Chuch Tanner.

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  5. Paul Heyman

    7 years ago

    I guess my other comment was inappropriate.

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    • CubsRebsSaints

      7 years ago

      Ya think?

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    • exposjays

      7 years ago

      It was brilliant

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  6. xabial

    7 years ago

    I was always a fan of David Aardsma when he expressed displeasure with players returning from PED suspensions, getting rewarded. I will never forget the hard-line stance he took on Twitter, after Peralta signed a 4 year $52M contract with STL, after returning from a 50 game suspension, due to Biogenesis PED scandal, earlier in the season:

    “I had 2 major surgeries in 5 months and made it back clean, nothing pisses me off more than guys that cheat and get raises for doing so” twitter.com/TheDA53/status/404471556543619072

    “Apparently getting suspended for PED’s means you get a raise. What’s stopping anyone from doing it? #weneedtomakeachange” twitter.com/TheDA53/status/404465689689612289

    This guy is a man’s man. Always a fan of him, since that day. Too bad, he never really made it back to MLB.

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    • User 4245925809

      7 years ago

      He worked hard to get control of that splitter, then after finally doing so at Seattle? Blew out his elbow and when came back was missing that high 90’s FB.

      Like you mentioned. He worked so hard during his career to get to the top the right while seeing numerous guys playing dirty. It was wrong and was glad to see him point it out also.

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  7. mike156

    7 years ago

    The problem is that the system economically subsidizes tanking. We’ve always had the possibility of tanking for draft picks, and we’ve always had the possibility of tanking for $, but the amount of money that comes from MLB itself is so large that there’s no longer a serious incentive for winning.

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    • czontixhldr

      7 years ago

      Sure, tanking is rewarded, but most of these owners are on ego trips. That’s why they own a major sports franchise in the first place – so they’d rather win big for the ego boost.

      Teams have come to understand the competitive difference between high and low draft picks – and there’s a wealth of online opinion as to the difference in their value.

      A quick look at the first round of the 2015 draft and you can see that the only guys that have sniffed MLB yet were all drafted in the top 9. It’s not rocket science, talent is a pyramid.

      Until the CBA deals with the draft in some meaningful way – like perhaps a lottery for the bottom “X” number of teams, and/or allows teams to trade draft picks, tanking will be rewarded.

      Heck, my Phillies did it and they’re back on the road to being competitive.

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  8. sandman12

    7 years ago

    Biggest impact on game speed would be plate umpires calling strikes above the belt, as the rules stipulate. The top of the zone is supposed to be the letters. Reducing the number of walks would speed up the game more than anything else.

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  9. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    7 years ago

    All of these various incentive based approaches being suggested to avoid tanking are absurd. They all try to figure out how to force teams to compete equally without acknowledging that the teams are not equal.

    It’s the equivalent of putting 20 people with low to average incomes in a room with 10 rich people and declaring “everyone must buy a yacht and anyone who doesn’t will be fined.”

    If they want to curb tanking, they need to institute a draft lottery similar to the one the NHL uses where teams with the worse records get better odds of getting the top pick but any non-playoff team can jump up. Last year, none of the bottom 8 teams got a top 2 pick due to this lottery.

    But even that is window dressing. It doesn’t change the underlying economics. The solution would a hard car/hard floor system with increased revenue sharing.

    But, why should the rich team have to pay the poor team’s payrolls?

    They need to create a system where the teams that pay into revenue sharing get small pieces of equity (or structure it as a loan) in the teams that take revenue sharing. These teams don’t have the same day to day cash flow of the big market teams, but they are still sold for large profits. Teams that pay into revenue sharing should get some of their money back when the teams that take revenue sharing are sold.

    Such a system would lay the foundation for each team to ACTUALLY be competitive AKA a level playing field.

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  10. bosox90

    7 years ago

    Can anyone think of the equivalent of a knuckleball in any other sport? Something so quirky and inherently different from the norm. Happy to see Coke give it a go.

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