The Dodgers and Reds have announced a long-rumored blockbuster that will shift around a variety of notable players. Veterans Matt Kemp, Yasiel Puig, and Alex Wood are all heading to Cincinnati, along with catcher/infielder Kyle Farmer and $7MM. Meanwhile, righty Homer Bailey is going to Los Angeles, accompanied by young righty Josiah Gray and infielder Jeter Downs.
Financial factors obviously weigh heavily here. Kemp is earning $21.5MM in the final year of his contract, while Bailey is earning $23MM — in addition to a $5MM buyout on his 2020 mutual option. Bailey, though, only represents a $17.5MM hit for luxury tax purposes, while Kemp is a $20MM CBT piece. The Dodgers’ cash and luxury tax savings are boosted yet further by moving Puig and Wood, though certainly both of those players are positive-value assets, even as they enter their final seasons of arbitration eligibility. MLBTR and contributor Matt Swartz project that Puig will earn $11.3MM while Wood will end up with a $9.0MM salary. Net it all out, and it seems that the Dodgers will take on $28MM in new obligations, plus the $7MM they’re covering of the old ones, while sending approximately $42MM to the Reds, who’ll end up taking on only ~$7MM in total new salary in the deal. In terms of the luxury tax, L.A. will trim its tabulation by around $16MM (as above, depending upon the final salaries for Wood and Puig), though obviously the actual tax savings will only be a percentage of that amount.*
Clearly, the Dodgers were willing to move on from a trio of useful, albeit expensive players in order to free up roster space and payroll flexibility while also picking up some worthwhile prospect assets. This is hardly the first deal of this kind from a Dodgers front office that is always working angles and contemplating large trade packages. Indeed, both Wood and Kemp came to the organization in other complex arrangements, the former as part of a 3-team, 13-player 2015 blockbuster and the latter in last winter’s tax-avoidance contract swap.
It’s hard not to look at this swap and think about what might be next for the Dodgers, who have now bumped two key corner outfield pieces from their ’19 plans. Clearly, the move opens the door to a potential run at Bryce Harper, though it hardly makes that anything approaching a certainty. Among other considerations, today’s move drops two of the club’s right-handed-hitting outfield pieces, moving lefties Alex Verdugo and Andrew Toles up the depth chart — for the time being, at least. Possibilities abound for the Dodgers, who’ll surely target both high-end assets and talented players who can function in more flexible roles as their winter continues to unfold.
On the Cincy side, the club certainly now has a better 2019 roster, though it’ll cost some near-term cash and (more importantly) some future value. Wood will slot into the rotation alongside the recently acquired Tanner Roark, who’s also a one-and-done asset. Puig and Kemp will presumably both enter the outfield mix along with left-handed hitters Scott Schebler and Jesse Winker.
Certainly, both Puig and Kemp will boost the Reds’ position-player unit. The former is a quality defender who has produced at about twenty percent above the league average rate at the plate over the past two years. In 444 plate appearances last year, he turned in a .267/.327/.494 slash with 23 long balls and 15 steals. Kemp cooled off after a momentous rebound to begin his second stint in Los Angeles, but still turned in 506 plate appearances of .290/.338/.481 hitting with 21 dingers over the course of the season. Kemp is likelier than Puig to function in more of a platoon role; in addition to his poorly regarded glovework, he’s about six years Puig’s senior at 34 years of age.
While Puig and Kemp are the best-known names in this deal, though, it’s certainly arguable that Wood was the key pick-up from the Reds’ perspective. The southpaw, who’ll soon turn 28, has steadily produced high-quality results ever since breaking into the bigs in 2013. Last year, he worked to a 3.68 ERA with 8.0 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9 over 151 2/3 innings.
There’s good reason to think the Reds will get quality output from Wood. In over eight hundred total MLB frames, he carries a 3.29 ERA with a 3.36 FIP, 3.49 xFIP, and 3.66 SIERA. Though Wood has long been dogged by questions about his long-term health, given his decidedly unorthodox motion, he has topped 150 frames in four of the past five campaigns.
Farmer, meanwhile, hasn’t done much in limited MLB opportunities. But he has hit well in the upper minors in recent campaigns and will at least function as a cheap catching depth asset for the Reds.
All told, it’s plenty of bang for the seven million bucks the Reds are taking on here. It’s hard to imagine the team could have done more with that amount of cash. Of course, the return is mostly tied up in single-season assets, and picking up those near-term pieces will mean the sacrifice of some potential long-term value.
Downs was generally considered one of the ten best prospects on the Cincinnati farm, after all, with Gray not far behind him. Both players are top recent draft picks — Downs went 32nd overall in 2017; Gray was plucked in the second round in the 2018 draft — who have shown quite well in their first professional opportunities. Downs turned in a .257/.351/.402 slash with 13 home runs and 37 steals over 524 plate appearances last year at the Class A level, while Gray threw 52 1/3 innings of 2.58 ERA ball, with 10.1 K/9 against 2.9 BB/9, in a dozen Rookie ball starts.
Bailey, meanwhile, is slated to function only as a vehicle for the rest of this deal. He’ll be cut loose by the Dodgers, president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman confirms. Indeed, that seems to have been the reason he elected to waive his full no-trade rights. Bailey, who signed a big extension before the 2014 season that just did not work out for the Reds, has struggled since returning from a long bout with arm injuries. Presumably, he’ll be looking for a chance to compete in camp for a job with another organization.
Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter links) first reported that the deal was nearing finalization and had the key pieces. Bob Nightengale of USA Today added the prospects on Twitter. C. Trent Rosecrans of The Athletic (on Twitter), Jon Heyman of Fancred (via Twitter), and Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter) covered the remaining details.
*An earlier version of this post mistakenly tabulated the salaries to suggest the Dodgers were receiving, rather than sending, $7MM to the Reds. We regret the mistake.
Photos courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
bigalcathey
Puig is a Red!
GareBear
Puig for Peraza?
sameichel
Please not
sameichel
Unless we eventually do trade for Kluber probably scooter and bailey for puig and wood
Samuel
This was pretty much what Dodger fans proposed the Indians take for Kluber.
So basically, in the MLBTR comment section…..
Homer Bailey = Corey Kluber
lol
ekrog
Well done sir!
thekid9
Love when the fans say “we”
Pfft
redbeard87
Love it when douche bags make comments like this. Pffft
thefenwayfaithful 2
I mean, for Boston fans, we consider ourselves part of Red Sox Nation. So a cumulative “we” is appropriate. Its our team, metaphorically speaking.
I can hope “we” sign a player. That player is now part of Red Sox Nation. Not just part of the Red Sox organization. I think without the label, most fans think of their organization this way and thus use the term “we,” and appropriately.
GareBear
Well, I was way off. I was thinking they would trade from their infield depth for the dodgers outfield depth but the Reds actually did fairly well in this deal tbh
halfbakedmcbride
Better Dead than a Red
Phanatic 2022
Ha
MahatmaGagne
Good deal for both clubs. As much as I loved Puig, he was very frustrating at times as well. His value hasn’t been higher and a great move for the Dodgers. Wood has some great numbers over the course of his career and is a great pickup for Reds. If dealing Kemp, Wood and Puig gets us Harper then so be it. We need to get better.
Two WS appearances was great but I believe changing the culture of the dugout or bringing in a few new faces is a step in the right direction. Depth is great and has its value over a long 162 game season but hopefully dealing from positions of strength will become the norm to let players play more.
cjbay
Great information.
dimitrios in la
Don’t know the young guys the Dodgers got but what the Reds got looks pretty good. I also love the player Puig has become over the years; he’s grown up a lot.
KG25Baseball
No!!!!! DODGERS WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!
steelehere83
Freeing up money to sign Bryce Harper who has said he wants to play for the Dodgers. Expect Homer Bailey (who has a low CBT cost but a high real life salary) and a prospect to come back to the Dodgers. Some of Kemp, Puig, Wood and/or Joc is most likely in the deal
Yankeepatriot
Has he really said he wants to play there though ? I need quotes lol
steelehere83
Well six days ago there was talk that the Dodgers had reached an agreement.
inquisitr.com/5211253/bryce-harper-rumored-to-have…
steelehere83
dodgerblue.com/mlb-free-agent-rumors-bryce-harper-…
The Dodgers stressed leading up to and throughout the Winter Meetings that they didn’t feel pressured to trade from their surplus in Vegas, and it held true. They would love to free up payroll by finding a taker for Yasiel Puig and Matt Kemp, but it doesn’t sound like there’s much interest there unless they take on some salary in return. For Kemp, it’s expected. For Puig, not ideal. Still expect them to trade at least one outfielder and one starting pitcher at some point. Bryce Harper badly wants to be a Dodger, but he’ll have to sacrifice years — and thus, total value — to play in Los Angeles.
Alden Gonzalez, ESPN Staff Writer
8d ago
Gwynning's Anal Lover
@Yankeepatriot “I really want to play for the Dodgers.” -Bryce Harper
RedFeather
Sad thing is if they sign Harper they still wont win a WS.
politicsNbaseball
Hahaha best comment of the day
politicsNbaseball
This was at formerdraftpick
southbeachbully
Any times an article starts off with “.blah blah blah alleges….” makes me automatically skeptic.
rocky7
Come on man….the story came out of the Dodger fans website…how gullible can you all be!
Harper has never said anything of the sort that his team of choice was the Dodgers…Boras would kill him for giving up leverage by saying that….
And given that the Dodgers tried to get him on the cheap…..Puig as the centerpiece in a trade……COME ON that’s a talent mismatch if there ever was one!
If you believe that one, you also believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus!
justinept
Harper admittedly trolls.
jjd002
It was Brice Harper, not Bryce Harper
Goku the Knowledgable One
When this off-season started, if you didn’t Kno Harper would be Dodger, Manny a Yank,
Then you’ve been over thinking it and haven’t followed baseball
JKB 2
Harpers camp has leaked he wants to play for the Dodgers…
…. then again they leaked he wants to play for the Yankees … he wants to play for the Cubs ….. etc
Goku the Knowledgable One
I don’t mean leaks.
I mean all the good free agents go to Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers.
That is mlb.
Ejemp2006
For a few years, the Tigers were the big players on FA. I miss the balance they brought.
gronk
Rocky my friend I’m utterly confused. I’m on the fence with the whole Santa Claus thing so I respect your opinion. But why try and destroy everything I’ve ever known and believed about my
sacred Bunny. Im gonna need a minute.
rob romani
I agree !! Don’t think they will sign Harper, could be wrong but I thing maybe pollock or verdugo it’s a thought!!
j0v10098
He has literally never said this.
steelehere83
This story was leaked on twitter six days ago.
inquisitr.com/5211253/bryce-harper-rumored-to-have…
steelehere83
dodgerblue.com/mlb-free-agent-rumors-bryce-harper-…
The Dodgers stressed leading up to and throughout the Winter Meetings that they didn’t feel pressured to trade from their surplus in Vegas, and it held true. They would love to free up payroll by finding a taker for Yasiel Puig and Matt Kemp, but it doesn’t sound like there’s much interest there unless they take on some salary in return. For Kemp, it’s expected. For Puig, not ideal. Still expect them to trade at least one outfielder and one starting pitcher at some point. Bryce Harper badly wants to be a Dodger, but he’ll have to sacrifice years — and thus, total value — to play in Los Angeles.
Alden Gonzalez, ESPN Staff Writer
8d ago
rocky7
By the inquisitor?????really?????Do they even know how to spell baseball?
JKB 2
Well if its on twitter then what? It must be true?
I can go tweet he wants to play for the Giants. Then I can post the link
yanks02026
And people said he also said he wanted to be a Yankee. No one knows, only the players
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
He’s also said he’s wanted to be a yankee since he was 10
wrigleywannabe
All last year, he was going to be a CUb because he was friends with KB>
Frisco500
Harper never said he wants to be a Dodger. Haha. You’re delusional. Oh wait you have a random twitter link… never mind. Psh. Meanwhile, back in rl, LA has an excellent shot at Harper if they offer more than anyone else does. That’s usually how it works with guys like Harper.
rocky7
You got that right man….its always about the money…..he’ll sign with however pays him the most coin….PERIOD!
c1234
Making room for Harper is my guess
JKB 2
Bingo c1234! You nailed that.
Warning Track
That’s what I like to know. That trade s awful!
Dkaner
GETTING HARPER IT IS SO FREAKING OBVIOUS GET READY FOR A 40 MILLION AAV 5-7 YEARS!!
cheese
Hello? Anyone in there?
kenleyfornia2
Dodgers got a decent prospect haul for just a salary dump. No issue here
nowheretogobutup
Dodgers also lost 35 HR’s in the process for two low level minor players, if they don’t get harper they’ll be hurting for the long ball, also Grandall is gone another 20 bombs.
gronk
That seems to be the part a lot are missing. The Dodgers were looking to clear salary. And I’m not understating the talent LA sent out. But to shed the salary they were looking for AND get back 2 intriguing young prospects? Both drafted within the last 2 years, and both in the top 2 rounds. I could be completely wrong but I have to think LAs front office exceeded their own expectations. Reminds me somewhat of the Boston – LA trade centered around Nick Punto with A-Gon,Beckett and Crawford. I remember being surprised that LA sent back Allen Webster and Ruby Delarosa when The Redsox should of been thrilled with just the salary relief. Both Webster and Ruby were thought of as pretty solid future assets. Let’s hope for the Dodgers that Downs and Gray have better luck than Webster and Ruby.
fantasyman99
Maybe this is a sign they are going for Harper …
megaj
Durrrrr, do ya think so george?
Mattimeo09
Quiet Lenny
JKB 2
Fantastyman its more than a sign
basebaIl1600
Probably something with Iglesias and Gennett
Psychguy
That would be fantastic… for LA fan.
bigredsfan41017
No why on Iglesias and Gennet, probably Homer Bailey
ckeen1966
I almost clicked the report button because there really cannot be anyone that stupid
frankiegxiii
You must be new to the MLBTR comment section
beardedsoxfan
I’m thinking Puig is one of them.
imindless
Lessssss goooooo!!!!
shortytallz
Mindless enthusiasm is the best
dirtydan
Better than being miserable like you.
frankiegxiii
Boom, still got it
shortytallz
Why would you think I’m miserable? lol
philsphan1979
Puig is def involved
philsphan1979
Prob Gennett and puig if I had to take a guess and maybe some pitchers as well
Yanks2
Kenley Jansen for Rafael Devers?
gleybertorres25
Reds would need to get Devers first
123redsox
Devers plays for the Boston Redsox. The articles says Cincinnati Reds.
the kutch
That’s just a technicality…
kenleyfornia2
Lol what
gronk
Kenley Jansen for Andrew Benintendi?
mikedickinson
Puig for sure
haringbone
How is this news?
nymetsking
how is it not?
wayneroo
It’s a rumor, like the website is named for maybe?
captainsalty
Or a done deal, same thing
thebeaver13
The news is the dodgers will now sign Harper. Pretty big news.
causality
i herd its homer bailey for cody bellinger and pedro guerrero
causality
i got half right
mlb1225
There’s 7 players involved in this trade and you guessed one correctly. I don’t think 1/7 is half.
ctguy
Dodgers threw in Sandy Koufax
vottomanempire
Clayton Kershaw, welcome to Cincinnati!
Alex Graboyes
Joey votto welcome to the Dodgers
Royalsfan12
I wish that was true.
ChrisEnvy76
Votto, Puig going in this I bet.
Acuña Matata
It better be Votto
Yankeepatriot
I bet this is for either scooter or even ….. votto
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Everyone on the Dodgers except Kershaw for everyone on the Reds except Votto. What a blockbuster.
RedKing22
Yeah, it almost has to be Puig going to Cincy. Who could be going back as a major league piece? Maybe they’re sending Bailey as a payroll dump?
Yankeepatriot
With one year left on his contract puig is sure to go to cinci. Maybe the reds closer is involved too
the kutch
I’m guessing the Dodgers are dumping payroll to sign Harper…
Yankeepatriot
Taking bailey’s salary doesn’t help with that though. Doesn’t he havebmore team control left than kemp ?
batty
Bailey has a mutual option for 2020. That’ll be bought out. So they both have 1 year left.
54scooterb
Or a Stanton for Verdugo plus package. Who would the Dodgers want more Stanton or Harper?
puddles
Yankees aren’t going to trade Stanton.
kenleyfornia2
Dodgers dont need to give up Verdugo for Stanton. Yankees either dump him or not. Your not getting a top prospect too
MahatmaGagne
The Stanton train has passed and how fittingly is it that it was Kemp we were trying to get rid of last year to get Stanton until the Yanks swept in and got him. Glad Kemp will net us Harper instead of Stanton
Solaris601
If I had to guess two of the players involved it would be Puig and Homer Bailey who, if LA does take him and his contract on, will be DFAd before he can even book a flight to LA.
steelehere83
I doubt he’ll be DFA’d since they didn’t DFA Kemp last year. More likely they try and make him a middle reliever since he still can throw fast.
AMiCk ĐOGEron
Puig for Homer Bailey and a prospect.
ken48tribe
How about trading the front offices?
xabial
If Puig is traded, there goes Yanks’ chances at Harper…
Need a Christmas miracle.
national pastime
Yanks never wanted Harper
xabial
Does it matter if I believed it was posturing? Negotiating ploy? Waving the proverbial white flag…
BrewCrew1302
never seen anyone get so many down-votes my goodness. lmao
LADreamin
Honestly, the Yankees haven’t had a chance at Harper since the Stanton trade. That outfield is too crowded. Machado is a better fit for you.
southbeachbully
Can you stop saying that. You really think the Yanks can count on Ellsbury on Frazier next year? Yanks OF was so crowded last year that they traded Jake Cave away and ended up running Billy McKinney, Shane Robinson and Jace Robertson out there before eventually trading for McCutchen. Harper can absolutely start in LF.
bdvl83
Konerko for Shaw
rickyvaughn99
there’s a flashback
titanic struggle
Konerko…another dumb Reds trade…
tv 2
why? they gave up a couple of competitive balance picks. if it does not work they can get them back in July. they got rid of Hamilton and balily and added wood kemp and Puig for the same money. if it does work they can give qualifying offers to puig and wood.
padreforlife
Konerko didn’t get any love for HOF
Adam6710
Frazier, Florial, and Ellsbury for Clayton Kershaw. Get it done, Cashman!
BrewCrew1302
took Cashman 2 weeks to decide if he was going to give Happ a third year, dont think thats getting done, pal
simschifan
That would have been too much for the Yankees. I’m sure they have the next Cy young somewhere in their system
MahatmaGagne
I think it was a mistake for the Yanks to trade Justus Sheffield. He will be a stud
SoxPow
I REALLY hope you are joking
JFactor
Gennett for outfielders?
cicyjohn
Earlier versions had Homer Bailey Puig and Alex Wood involved
Zach725
Guessing Kemp could head to the reds. Could be an attempt by the dodgers to clear salary and sign Harper.
JFactor
Jeff Passan
Verified account @JeffPassan
Matt Kemp, Yasiel Puig and Alex Wood have been traded to the Cincinnati Reds, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Homer Bailey is one of the players going back to the Los Angeles Dodgers. The return for the Dodgers clearly will be more.
c1234
Kemp Puig and wood ohh dang
MB923
Wow. Kemp, Puig and Wood to the Reds for Homer Bailey and more.
hmyles13
Puig and Kemp for Bailey
Michael Chaney
It’s gotta involve Homer Bailey and probably either Matt Kemp or Puig
stretch123
Gennett going to the Dodgers I bet. Wouldn’t be shocked if Marlins and Realmuto are involved as well. Both teams here are in on him.
kaotik169
Yasiel Puig and Matt Kemp expected to be part of trade from #Dodgers to #Reds for Homer Bailey, prospects and possibly int’l bonus slots, sources tell The Athletic. Bailey has waived his 10-and-5 rights to approve deal. Multiple major-league pieces involved, as
@JeffPassan
said.
Yankeepatriot
Boooooo i was hoping for bigger than that
RedKing22
Puig, Wood, and Kemp for Bailey+ it looks like
shortytallz
Obvi, Kershaw for Scootz and Homerz
Reeve
Kemp wood and pig to reds for Bailey and a few prospects.
Reeve
*Puig
neonkeon23
you were right the first time
muskie73
Los Angeles Dodger outfielder Yasiel Puig and Cincinnati Red second baseman Scooter Gennett are 28-year-olds who are projected to earn $11.3 million and $10.7 million, respectively, in their final year of team control.
Could be a match as part of a larger package.
Or not. 😉
54scooterb
Puig, Kemp and Wood for Bailey, Gennett and Barnett. Plus minor leaguers sprinkled in. LA then trades Barnett and Verdugo to Miami for Realmuto.
themed
Harper will be a Dodger before this year is over. A clear salary dump.
titanic struggle
Really? You mean Barnhart?!
Yankeepatriot
Apparently wood is in the deal too. Surprised he is going
white_sox9195
Puig, Wood for Bailey and prospects
walls17
Harper to LAD
Thronson5
Here comes Harper to LA
antsmith7
Dodgers making room for Bryce?
Bryzzo2016
Yep
Ichiro51
If it’s not Puig for an outfielder. Then I dunno who it is. Hopefully they trade for Votto. I am not a dodger fan but I am Votto fan and I would love to see him play with a contender.
white_sox9195
I hate this move if the dodgers do get rid of this outfielders this means Harper to the Dodgers too
Bryzzo2016
Yep! I called it when FA started. Harper to the LAD, Manny to PHI.
steelehere83
Don’t think Manny is going to PHI. He’s hinted that New York is where he wants to sign.
Syndergaarden Cop
Wood is decent, the rest is GIGO: Garbage in, garbage out.
jdgoat
Puig? Even Kemp isn’t that bad. The only bad player is Bailey.
Yankeepatriot
Now the Harper rumors will get louder lol
KG25Baseball
NOOOOOOO
sdfriarfan
Which pitchers have the Dodgers shown interest in?
sameichel
My reds win this trade easily
sameichel
We got rid of homer while getting three guys who will be paid mostly by the dodgers as well
Yankeepatriot
Plus kemp and puig are off the books after 2019
Syndergaarden Cop
congrats on continuing to be a NL central doormat i guess
bucketbrew35
“congrats on continuing to be a NL central doormat i guess.”
They just added a quality rotation piece and rounded out a pretty potent offense as in, maybe the best offense in the NL. What are you smoking?
Syndergaarden Cop
what a joke. yeah, wood was the missing piece in the rotation. enjoy sucking
UGA_Steve
The Reds are significantly better with this deal, while getting rid of a HORRIBLE contract and really only one good prospect. Clears payroll for the future and they can pick Bailey up for change after the Dodgers cut him.
They may still be the doormat, but they are better from this trade as they basically lost nothing of real value. Downs is the only interesting piece and he is far from a sure thing.
earmbrister
Josiah Gray is the player with more upside in the future. Hasn’t been pitching for very long.
batty
If the Dodgers do release Bailey, why would the Reds want him back…even at league minimum?
titanic struggle
They won’t want him back, He’s a Mule and spent quite awhile in AAA last year because he wouldn’t pitch in relief…glad he and his piss poor attitude are gone…
Syndergaarden Cop
All 3 of the players you’re getting will be FA after 2019. Bailey would have been a FA after 2019 as well, but you trade him and prospects for what? Reds arent in contention, so why do this? You LOST this trade, Reds are morons.
stretch123
All three can be flipped at the deadline if Reds are out of it by then…
Syndergaarden Cop
you’re not getting much for a half season of those bums
ekrog
You sound jealous.
Syndergaarden Cop
nah, just not dumb like the reds fans
MahatmaGagne
Plus they can get comp picks for Woods and Puig if they reject their qualifying offers next year. The two prospects they traded to the Dodgers were comp picks. Seems like a win win for both clubs. Dodgers shed payroll, lower AAV towards luxury tax and get two prospects
titanic struggle
Yep, just by adding Wood and subtracting Bailey…happy days…
juanpaolo
Lol…lol…lol.. you’re delusional
titanic struggle
Bailey is a cancer…glad he’s been cut out…
Ichiro51
I wonder what money is exchanging hands. Also it may not be Harper, maybe Pollock and use more of that money to gain more FA players. but nah it’s Harper lol
ken48tribe
Pollock would be a very useful FA signing by the Reds. He would be a significant upgrade in center field over Hamilton.
Ichiro51
Pollock, Votto and Gennet would be a good combo.
nmendoza7
That basically means Harper is coming then.
Bryzzo2016
Yep
themed
Reds definitely won this trade and instant respectability. They will be a force. Cardinals Brewers now the Reds in the mix. The Pirates could give the cubs a run for last place if the cubs have a couple of key injuries.
titanic struggle
Reds aren’t done I have a feeling…look for an even bigger move. They still hold Senzel and Trammel, and there isn’t any room for Senzel in the OF now with Winker, Puig, Kemp, Schebler there and Scooter still in the fold.
ABCD
And the Cards just missed the playoffs again for a 4th consecutive year. So sad.
Saint Chris
I have a similar feeling. The Reds may not be done. I can’t help but think how intriguing Puig would be to the Indians, who are quite desperate for outfielders and have a surplus of pitchers.
That or they play Puig in CF.
titanic struggle
Trammel, Puig, Scooter and a couple of chips for Klubrr?
Mikel Grady
Yes only cubs will have key injuries . All other teams will stay healthy and have career years . Keep wishing
TheRoadDogg
I wonder what is going through Puig’s head right now. He might be mad at the front office right now, but they have gone to the playoffs each year he played, and the Reds definitely have a worse chance at making the PS than the Dodgers in 2019
Yankeepatriot
He can choose where he wants to go after the season at least
bigturtlemachine
Puig loves Turner Ward, who is the Reds’ new hitting coach. Puig could put up big numbers in Great American Ballpark in his walk year. I’m betting Puig likes this deal.
sully51
Puig wanted to be traded. He doesn’t like being a platoon player. This was widely reported all off-season.
imindless
Underwhelming return for dodgers. Homer bailey is bad
joepanikatthedisco
Harper’s pretty good.
juicemane
Past 3 years of WAR says different…pretty average
seanwh01
The return for the dodgers is in the departures
Bryzzo2016
It’s a chess move. How does Homer Bailey AND Bryce Harper sound for a return? That’s what this deal is really about.
imindless
Sure paying 40 mill for 1 player that puts up mediocre numbers? Would rather have kluber and realmuto.
southbeachbully
I won’t argue that he’s worth $40 mil and he certainly has some injury risks but his career OPS is .900 which would rank him 66th all-time ahead of a LOT of hall of famers. His numbers are far, far, far above “mediocre”. Even in a down year he would’ve be 1 behind Muncey in homers (-1), first in walks(+60) and 2nd in OBP and OPS.
juicemane
They traded 4 guys for nothing lol…
chrisbluediamond
This only confirma that the dodgers will pay higher for Harper. What ya think??? 0_0
dobsonel
Harper to the Dodgers?
Bryzzo2016
Yep
basebaIl1600
Harper to LA. Bound to happen, but is it the right move for them?
joepanikatthedisco
But Kemp and Puig are only signed thru next year, and there’s NO WAY the Reds are competing in the Central next season. Losing prospects for rental outfielders,,,what are the Reds doing?
Yankeepatriot
Watch the reds go after Dallas and whatnot and try for a wild card spot ( won’t be enough but still)
earmbrister
If the Reds sign Keuchel, they have now fixed their two biggest problems (albeit temporarily):
The rotation and the OF.
They have prospects coming up to slot into the rotation and the OF in 2020.
This gets the team competitive at a VERY cheap cost.
mattcubs
I’m not a Reds fan, but I’m sort of baffled. They are taking on money despite getting rid of Bailey. They are also losing prospects and still won’t be competitive in the stacked NL Central. Isn’t Wood a free agent next year too?
BrewCrew1302
makes no sense. Give young guys a chance to prove themselves instead of two players that are FA at seasons end.. They are still gonna be last or 4th
joeshmoe11
Where’s the downside for the Reds? Added no payroll, improved lineup AND rotation, made ZERO financial commitments with any of these guys past this year, and gave up superfluous prospects. Gray will be a good pitcher but he’s a few years away best case scenario and Downs is the third best 2b prospect and easily the furthest away. Senzel is ready now and Shed Long is pretty close.
southbeachbully
They did add payroll. Bailey was set to make $23 mil and had a $5 mil buyout next year. Puig will make around $12 mil in arb, Wood about $9 mil and Kemp is owed $16 mil. That’s $14 mil more this year and $9 mil more overall when you factor in Bailey’s 2020 buyout.
Those additions are not going to be enough to overcome the Cubs, Cardinals or Milwaukee. Plus they gave up prospects which for a small market team is their greatest currency.
Plus….oh wee…. those egos will stay in check when you’re playing for something important. How will they be joining a team that lost nearly 100 games last year in the mid-west of all places? Puig is going to go mental. Better hope he’ll be focused on having a career year headed into a walk year.
baseballhobo
This trade may help the Reds sell more tickets.
timothysus
As a baseball fan that is my concern, a owner who received over $130 million the last 2 years from MLB gets to sell more tickets
Zodolo
I think everyone is selling the Reds short…if they sign Keuchel now, the rotation is pretty darn decent, they have an elite closer, and Winker, Schebler, Puig is a pretty good hitting outfield (although the defense isnt that great). One player away?
Saint Chris
People are selling the Reds short. Their starting pitching has been an obvious mess, but their lineup has the ability to be truly special, possibly the best in the NL.
Ejemp2006
Forgetting Votto and Saurez. This offense might be special.
Kevin 28
Adding Wood (solid lefty) and dumping Baileys contract. Sets them up with more money next year (no longer have to pay Bailey $5 MIL buyout) and fixes their CF problem this year (move Schebler to CF, put Puig in RF). Good prospects, but none are top 5. That’s what they’re doing.
jbigz12
The Reds gave up Jeter downs and Gray. They’re good prospects but not elite. If Puig and Wood play well they could easily sell them off for a similar return while giving fans something to be excited about for 2018. At least for the beginning of the season.
Yankeepatriot
If the dodgers cover Harper would the White Sox and Phillies get super desperate if the Yankees land machado ? If so than Harper could possibly get 400 million in that bidding war
Priggs89
White Sox? No
Phillies? Maybe
BronxBombers22
Congrats on the smart LA dodgers for dumping OFers and salary to sign a superstar like Harper. Yankees meanwhile feel like its not necessary to dump average at best guys like Hicks or attach a prospect to ellsbury to trade him to sign a superstar like Harper. Redsox – Dodgers world series rematch book it.
srechter
The rest of this opinion aside, Aaron Hicks is far from “average at best.” He’s a fantastic center fielder.
Yankeepatriot
A Yankee fan saying hicks is average at best ? Lmaooooo he was one of the best center fielders in baseball last season and he’s paid peanuts ! How can you watch him daily and not see that ?
southbeachbully
Ummmmm…..in what world is Hicks “average” and what does he, a CF, have to do with Harper, who is (or should be) a corner OF? If his defensive ratings sucked in RF why would you stick him in CF?
Last year, 4.9 WAR, 5th among all OF. 2017, 3.3 WAR in only 88 games.
Try again buddy.
Boogaloo
Hicks is average at best, lol.
Might be one the most underrated player in the game.
I’d put him as the third best CF in baseball.
Ejemp2006
The last Yankee dynasty was built on affordable guys like Paul O’Neil and Bernie Williams.
basebaIl1600
With Harper in that lineup, the lineup will be extremely LH heavy. Harper, Seager, Bellinger, Muncy in the middle of the lineup with JT there was well. 4 if the 5 best hitters will be LH. Interesting.
Yankeepatriot
I don’t expect muncy to repeat last season to be honest. I think Cody has a better year than 2018 though
ChrisEnvy76
They are going to be very bad against left handed pitching.
MahatmaGagne
Dodgers AVG/OBP/OPS vs LHPs
Bellinger* .244/.347/.813
Muncy* .298/.416/1.023
Seager* .353/.429/.984
Joc* .164/.309/.636
Toles* .167/.167/.500
Verdugo* .318/.318/.682
Freese .315/.382/.915
Barnes .248/.377/.809
CT3 .232/.377/.754
Kike .260/.335/.780
Turner .336/.448/1.028
Dodgers will be fine against lefties, only real weaknesses against lefties were Joc, CT3 & Toles, they will be platoon/matchup guys anyway in LF
Bryzzo2016
BOOM! And this is why I predicted Harper to the LAD when FA started. Great move by the Dodgers in finding a taker for Kemp and Puig.
mike 96
Bryzzz your so smart
leftcoaster
You mean “you’re” so smart.
Sky14
Josiah Gray traded on his birthday! Wonder how often that’s happebed.
Michael Chaney
And it’s his 21st too. Someone should check to make sure he survives the night, because he’ll be doing a lot of celebrating.
Big Hurt
127 times, latest 5 months ago.
ekrog
The odds at 1/365.25
abcrazy4dodgers
Turner Ward and Yasiel Puig’s love story will not be denied.
stratcrowder
BAM!!!!
natsgm
Harper incoming. Has to be. Makes too much sense after this move clearing outfielders and payroll.
Michael Chaney
Bold prediction: Jeter Downs will be included to sweeten an offer to the Indians for Kluber
Big Hurt
Enough with the Harper stuff… I would guess they are getting rid of a couple big contracts because they had an absolutely GIGANTIC payroll last year. According to spotrac.com they spent $235M on salary last year. Yes – they could be clearing space for Harper… or – they could just be clearing bad contracts.
sully51
Actual salaries due is pretty much a wash with the 7 mil going back to Cinci. And all the MLB players involved are either arb or final year of contract, so it isn’t about clearing bad contracts lol. It’s about clearing roster space and CBT space.
southbeachbully
$7 mil for a team over the lux tax the last few years is a lot more than you think.
sully51
Dodgers were under the tax last year. But that isn’t what I said anyway. The tax implications are $25 mil less for LA. The salaries are like 5-10 mil less
jaytai7918
Looks like Harper to the Dodgers.
Syndergaarden Cop
Bailey about as garbage as they come. Should just be outright released by the Dodgers, not even worth a roster spot
Gambit1193
Rosenthal said he’s getting released
Yankeepatriot
As he should be, he sucks big time despite his no hitters he threw
BrewCrew1302
literally looks like garbage was traded for garbage. Except wood, hes a solid arm
Syndergaarden Cop
said the same thing and got downvoted by losers of both fanbases
BrewCrew1302
well its true. Kemp of 2011 would be different but not now lol
joeshmoe11
Matt Kemp of 2018 had an OPS+ of 122. Man, that dude sucks. Puig had 121
Ejemp2006
Matt Kemp got better solely because he likes being a Dodger. Expect regression when pouts the whole year away in Cincy. Puig on the other hand could finally cash in on that MVP level potential in that band box.
restingmitchface
Puig, Wood, and the two specs are really nice assets.
Kemp and Bailey both grossly underperform their contracts.
Maybe calling players — who are humans beings — “garbage” is a bad idea.
Syndergaarden Cop
I dont get why the Reds would give up prospects when for Kemp, Wood, and Puig, who are are FA after 2019, when they are absolutely not in contention next season. Makes 0 sense, even if they are saving a sliver of cash?
Yankeepatriot
Desperate attempt for a postseason run ? Can’t say for sure. Worse case scenario they are all off the books after he season or trade bait in July
Syndergaarden Cop
Bailey would have been a FA after 2019 too. And you wouldn’t have had to give up prospects. So why do this?!
Yankeepatriot
Will it’s not like the reds are ran well lol
titanic struggle
The prospects they gave up won’t affect them, the important thing is they still hold onto Senzel and Trammel while adding Wood…
Syndergaarden Cop
for one season that they arent in contention. not like he’s an ace or anything with tons of trade value
Syndergaarden Cop
wont affect them? Scout on Downs: “Jeter Downs a stud….don’t care what he is ranked…future all-star.”
titanic struggle
They can’t be done. They want Senzel in the lineup next season and there’s no room in the OF and Scoter is still there, look for another deal very soon…Kluber?
titanic struggle
I’ll clarify…they weren’t looking for him to contribute at the ML level for a few years, definitely a good chip for the Dodgers…
stretch123
Puig and Wood do have value (albeit minimal value). Kemp for Bailey is a straight up cash exchange. Reds don’t mind Kemp because he can easily hit 30 homers in Cinncinati
Syndergaarden Cop
Again, they arent in contention for 2019. SO why give away prospects for 1 year of what they got?
RIPprosports
S Cop
If the Reds aren’t in contention at All Star break, they can flip Wood and Puig for some prospects. Stop hating dude! All you do is btch at everyone.
Syndergaarden Cop
lol so easy to rile you up
Jason Hall
Didn’t rile me up. I was very respectful and just wanted to make sure you know not all prospects will always live up to the hype. Again have a Merry Christmas, I just enjoy reading the articles and comments, just don’t see any reason for any of us to call other commenters name because they disagree with you. That’s all brother.
earmbrister
The Reds didn’t give up all that much.
Bailey? Look at his last 4 years.
Downs? The Reds have a glut of 2Bmen.
Gray? A prospect somewhere rated around #16-20 for the Reds. He’s the only one that I’m sorry to see go. High ceiling, low floor kinda guy. Hasn’t been pitching that long.
Sign Keuchel and they’re contending this year, and beyond (Buzz Lightyear voice).
Syndergaarden Cop
Scout on Downs: “Jeter Downs a stud….don’t care what he is ranked…future all-star.”
titanic struggle
A package starting with Trammel and includes Scooter head to the lake for Kluber or Bauer
hockeyjohn
Cleveland does not need Scooter. Scooter is only control one more season. IF Cleveland trades Kluber they need players with years of control with their biggest need being outfield.
maxgjr
7th and 20th prospect. They didn’t give up anything special.
amjr
Harper is coming to LA. That’s why the OF purge regardless of the surplus. LA needed to do this before signing up Harper. Stay tuned.
stretch123
Definitely smells like Harper to the Dodgers and don’t be surprised if they turn Downs into another trade piece for Kluber or Realmuto (or both).
its_happening
Kemp, Puig, Schebler, Winker….who plays CF?
Is Cincy insisting on contending to justify keeping Scooter and being reluctant to deal Votto?
What are they doing with Senzel?
Those stories plus Andy Rooney on the next 60 Minutes…
stretch123
Puig and Kemp are corned outfielders for sure. Reds can always sign Pollack or another CF
its_happening
My point was this: there’s at least 1 more move to make for Cincy, maybe 2.
Dealing an OF plus more for a pitcher, perhaps signing Pollock or dealing for a CF.
titanic struggle
I agree Trimreaper…
earmbrister
Schebler in CF (he couldn’t be worse than Choo). Puig in right.
Goota believe that Gennett will be traded now, and Senzel is your opening day starter at 2B,
Just need Keuchel now.
titanic struggle
Votto has a full no trade and wants to stay in Cincy, crowded outfield no doubt, betting the other shoe drops quickly, they aren’t done…
tharrie0820
Been a big fan of Wood from his time with the Braves. Hope he does good in Cincy
murphydog
Goodbye “squeal the pig”!
ChrisEnvy76
Kemp is what. $22mm for two more years, Puig $5.5Mm and Wood is over $6mm. Bailey is $19mm. So, Dodgers sign Harper?
dobsonel
Kemp is a FA after this upcoming season.
dobsonel
Also Puig and Wood with be about $20 mil combined this year.
amjr
Dude both Puig and Wood are arbitration eligible in 2019 which means the Dodgers freed up in excess of $40M. For extra players they didn’t need and allows
them to go after Harper now.
Syndergaarden Cop
Wrong. They only saved ~$7M
riffraff
kemp and 7MM = bailey. Dodgers don’t have to pay puig and wood for 2019 – approx $20MM. You are both wrong
bighiggy
If they sent Kemp and 7 mil that doesnt equal baileys 28 mil. Simple math. That would essentially make kemp’s salary 14.5 mil or baileys 35 mil. To be even the reds would have had to send the 7 mil
Syndergaarden Cop
wrong
riffraff
you are correct – i got hung up on numbers equaling out and forgot which way cash was going. Means LA saves about $13MM cash and approx $24MM cap hit space ( difference between baileys cap number and kemps plus saving from puig and wood)
Syndergaarden Cop
You forgot Bailey’s buyout
gocincy
Your numbers are all about cash flow. The Dodgers care about the salary hit against the “salary cap.” Cash flow is less important because they bathe themselves in gold and silver. Bailey is only a $17.5mm hit against the cap, so he’s less than Kemp. The Reds, in contrast, care about cash flow, so that’s why cash was sent to the Reds to make this cash neutral.
FightingIrish21
Trade would be wasted for Dodgers. They guessed that Bryce Harper sign with Dodgers. They would clear up salary to make some room.
That would be dumbest if they didn’t sign Bryce Harper. They don’t have anything to replace Kemp and Puig. Great job!
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Bryce Harper will sign with Yankees.
stretch123
They have Verdugo if they so choose.
dobsonel
I’ve got to imagine they don’t finalize this deal unless they already have a deal in place with Harper. I’m guessing a signing announcement is made within 24 hrs.
titanic struggle
I would flat out LMAO!!!
jqks
As a Reds fan, given the players so far connected, this looks like a phenomenally good trade. Alex Wood and Puig will really help the Reds roster, and I expect they will try to unload Kemp on an AL team for a small return (as he really only has value as a DH at this point).
Begamin
As much as it makes sense to go and dump Kemp, they failed to dump Harvey for whatever reason. Dont bank on it
lonestardodger
Harper to Dodgers???
koachshr
Puig, Kemp, and wood for Josiah Gray, Jeter Downs, Bailey and PTBN and international bonus money.
mrnatewalter
Frankly, I don’t understand this trade from the Dodgers’ perspective.
I understand moving all those pieces to clear payroll. But taking Bailey (and likely dumping him immediately) washes a good portion of their benefit. That seems like a lot of depth to move (which the Dodgers value) for the sole purpose of clearing salary.
CJ81
I think they use the cleared salary to sign harper. Or those prospects to help ease a trade for kluber. And now verdugo also has a place on the big league roster.
hockeyjohn
If the Dodgers make a trade with Cleveland, Verdugo would likely be involved.
brian214
I wonder if the Phil’s even pondered a deal with LA? These players have been talked about the last couple weeks. They’re not getting Harper or Manny, they need an OF and a LH starter. I like both Wood and Puig. They have plenty of payroll space. It’s not like LA got anything except some cash and salary dump. I’m pretty much done being optimistic about this offseason. At this point I just hope they can stay ahead of Miami cuz everybody else in the East will be improved.
Vanilla Good
They’re still waaaaaaaaay ahead of Miami
Yankeepatriot
Heyman states that machado will make his decision after he new year to the teams he met with. If true than chances are Harper won’t sign till after machado is signed
Telepsychic
If all three Dodger players -then salary dump. Maybe for Harper money, maybe not. But if there are good prospects and no Scooter, then maybe a Kluber or Reamuto deal coming.
batty
FOs trying to get their final shopping done before the holiday.
Syndergaarden Cop
Dodgers are only saving about $7M with this trade, and you guys think they’re getting Harper? Yeah, it was that $7M they needed to clear to get him. Thanks for the laugh.
Edit: Bailey has $5M buyout, so it’s actually $7M the Dodgers are saving.
Yankeepatriot
Good point. They would go past luxury tax if they sign Harper
mpatteson
Thank you for the Logic. Cracks me up that its now automatic that he goes to LA…..right.
Killjoy391
It wasn’t just money, it was also about roster space. 2 less outfielders to juggle around.
amjr
Inform yourself before you post. Puig and Harper alone are arbitration eligible and will make in excess of 11M each. Kemp’s salary was 22M for one year so they’ve freed up over $40M. Yes. Harper is coming to LA.
Syndergaarden Cop
Inform YOURSELF.
Kemp $21.75 mill
Puig $11.3 mill projected
Wood $9 mill projected
——————————–
$42.05 mill
Bailey $23 mill
LA sent $7 mill
——————————–
$30 mill
$42.05 – $30 = $12.05
Bailey has a $5 mill buyout so they’ll save $7.05M total
dobsonel
What’s the luxury tax math? That is more relevant.
bighiggy
If you think Harper is arbitration eligible you need to inform yourself before you post.
Syndergaarden Cop
harper arb eligible. LOL moron
dobsonel
I’m sure he meant Wood
puddles
puig projected to make like 9m iirc and bailey’s salary is about equal to Kemp (plus they are sending 7m to reds). Not sure that it comes out to exactly 7m saved, but it’s a lot closer to 7 than 40+
puddles
Edit: Should have referenced the article. wood is the one projected to make 9m
okbud
Say goodbye to Phil Ervin’s playing time!
hiflew
Which would you rather have? Phil Ervin playing a lot on a 70 win team or Puig and Kemp playing for a team competing for a Wild Card?
earmbrister
Could be Winker/Schebler/Puig with Kemp flipped in another trade.
mike-5
Competing for a wild card? The Reds offense was already one of the best n the league. Replacing Bailey with Wood isn’t going to win them 20 or so more games. It MIGHT get them above the Pirates, but it’s not going to get them in competition for a wild card. Their pitching is not that good. Wood isn’t some dominate pitcher. He’s had ONE really good year. The rest were meh. Will they be better? Yeah, but they won’t compete for a wild card. I think they will finish 4th in the Central though, so that makes them better.
slasher016
They’re also replacing -0.7 WAR Romano with 3.4 WAR Roark. That’s 4 more wins right there. Also dropping out replacement level Billy Hamilton with Puig/Kemp. One more solid move puts the Reds in wild card contention.
titanic struggle
Trade bait…
WAH1447
Dodgers are about to sign Harper that’s the only reason this trade makes sense
ullnvrknw
Wrong! Why do you think it was headlined with prospects? They’re going to the marlins for Realmuto. Consider it done
astick
So when Wood and Puig become FA, the Reds would get draft picks; as, I assume, they both would reject the qualifying offer. Correct?
koachshr
Petals plays CF and Senzel breaks in at Shortstop. No loss if he can’t cut it at SS then move peraza back to SS and trade scooter before deadline for CF help.
koachshr
Peraza autocorrect
earmbrister
Senzel is not a SS. Peraza will remain there. Scooter is probably traded now and Senzel is your opening day starter. If not, Scooter is traded before the summer deadline.
titanic struggle
No…just no. You don’t shuffle Peraza and Senzel around like that and mess them up. Another deal is in the works and it likely is a big one that involves Scooter. Then go get Pollack…
kershawsgrandma22
I’ll miss Puig
BrewCrew1302
*pig
Robertowannabe
Good move by the Dodgers if they get do get Harper. I laugh though because if this had been the Pirates making this trade, All you would be hearing is the Pirate fans, who listen and read the words of the talking Pittsburgh talking heads, crying about the huge salary dump. Even if they did what I believe the Dodgers will do and sign Harper, they would still be crying about the salary dump. This is how you do business.
ullnvrknw
It’s not for Harper. It’s for the Realmuto trade
Robertowannabe
Either or would still make it a good deal for the Dodgers and Manny would not stop the lemmings from crying salary dump either 🙂
ullnvrknw
They just took the prospects for the trade for Realmuto
elscorchot
They weren’t getting realmuto for them.
tommyelf
Ugh….Puig. Glad to see Bailey get moved on…but Puig?? Hopefully, Reds FO has another place to flip that over-priced headcase…
chippahawk
Shoulda traded Teheran for the same AA!
doxiedevil
He has his thumb up his ……………………………………..
BrewCrew1302
Never a good move when a rebuilding team gives up two good prospects to get 2 trash outfielders who have no intention of staying for a rebuild. Unless they plan to flip all these guys for more prospects? idk
jqks
Reds are not in a rebuild. They are ready to contend. All they were missing was starting pitching last year. Take a look past the W-L record and you will see they have a very solid roster minus starting pitching. They have already gone a long way in addressing that short coming this week. Don’t be surprised to see the Reds as a dark horse in 2019, buying, not selling, in July.
Gocubsgo1986
Are you kidding me? They are the fifth best team in a 5 team division
earmbrister
They’ve addressed their two biggest weaknesses this offseason. Their rotation and their OF.
Now they sign Keuchel and they have a solid rotation.
mike-5
Alex Wood replacing Homer Bailey isn’t going to push the Reds into contention. Wood had 1 good year, the rest were average. The Reds offense was lights out last year, but they’ve not really improved their starting pitching a whole lot. Yes, it’s better with Wood in and Bailey out, but it’s not going to push them over the hump. They would need another good starting pitcher to have a chance at contention.
ksoze
They also added Roark, so right now it looks a lot better than the 18 rotation. Dick Williams has also said they are not done. There was rumors less than 48 hours ago that the Reds and Indians are still pursuing a trade for Kluber. If that happens…Kluber, A. Wood, Castillo, Roark, DeSclafani. I’d take that over any other NL central rotation.
Bringbacktheblue
A girl on Instagram posted a picture of Puig Kemp and Pederson that said: “This is the best outfield in baseball and it will haunt the Madres for years to come.”
shortytallz
Girls dont know anything about years to come.
YankeesWarriorsPatriots
Surprised the Harper signing didn’t happen seconds after this deal happened
Syndergaarden Cop
another uninformed poster. dodgers only saved about $7M
Chris
It’s less about money as the Dodgers reset their luxury tax, and more about an OF spot for a potential superstar in LA
riffraff
you may very well be right – but how did you get to that figure
darkstar61
Hey look another meaningless number you are tossing around over and over obsessively without context. Man you apparently love embarrassing yourself…
20M – Kemp
11M – Puig
9M – Wood
17.5M – Harper
They saved 23.5 million in AAV – the only number they are really concerned with
Syndergaarden Cop
“17.5M – Harper”
lol dummy
Yankeepatriot
You have to add bailey’s aav …
darkstar61
Oh no, a typo!
*sigh*
Cleary that should day Homer (Bailey)
Point stands, you’re here doing the same thing you did in the last – obsessively ranting and raving about numbers you flat out can’t grasp at all
There is was the 98 OPS+ Road numbers Profar put up that you called “terrible”
Here it’s the 23.5 million AAV the Dodgers save that you insist doesn’t help in pursuing Harper.
YankeesWarriorsPatriots
Syndergarden cop here’s your active offseason day and you blew it in the comments. Dodgers are under the luxury tax and by trading 2 outfielders there thinking about acquiring Harper so there’s less games with platoons. Especially now that bellinger will play against lefties
Syndergaarden Cop
you, random internet poster, said it, so it must be true
stansfield123
You know you’re building a superteam when you clear out Kemp, Puig and Wood to make room for new signings.
In unrelated news, Scott Boras was seen with tears of joy running down his cheeks, yelling something about milking every last cent out of somebody.
BrewCrew1302
Dodgers: “take my trash, please! we will even through in money”
WarrenSpahn
“through in money” beautiful, sir
titanic struggle
THROW….in money for Pete Rose sake…
corey5kersh22
If we don’t sign Bryce Harper, or get Kluber, or sign another good reliever like Britton we need a new GM. SMH.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
I can picture the Reds flipping one of these outfielders.
earmbrister
Kemp
ullnvrknw
Ruiz,Verdugo and downs for Realmuto. Watch
Killjoy391
Horrible proposition
Iron Horse
Jeter trading for Jeter. Nice.
RIPprosports
Realmuto is not that good. Rather spend that on Kluber. Plus Ruiz would be his replacement after his 2 years is up.
MahatmaGagne
Verdugo/Joc/Alvarez will be going to Indians while Ruiz/May/Ferguson go to the Marlins
bhambrave
I hope this isn’t a precursor to a Puig-to-Atlanta trade.
Brad Connelly
The guesses were hilarious. And of course Yankees fans come in any post and offer their trade predictions no matter what teams are the topic lol. This is by far my favorite site to read the comments. Love you guys. Keep it going.
BrewCrew1302
settle down brad
titanic struggle
If I were a Yankee fan: Frazier to the Reds for Scooter, Winker, Senzel, Trammel and Garrett straight up…
puigpower
Puig is going to be great in Cincinnati. Just great offense.
queensburykid
This deal is a Kemp for Bailey dump. Not really I think that the Dodgers just hated Puig that much. Probably a necessary evil. Puig marches to his drummer.
Corazon5
Parting with prospects for one year of Kemp and Puig is certainly questionable, but replacing Bailey with Wood has to feel pretty good for Reds fans.
southbeachbully
I don’t understand this deal for the Reds. They send $28 mil in salary to the Dodgers (other teams were covering $6 mil of what Kemp is due) and they take on $36 mil AND trade away two legit prospects for a bunch of guys on 1 year deals? How does this help the Reds?
Syndergaarden Cop
Their FO is full of morons
jqks
Those guys on one year deals will be winning games for the Reds during that one year. It is really very simple.
Empire Exoticz
More wins, worse draft position.
jqks
You play to win the game. Not draft higher.
Saint Chris
Love this deal for the Reds. Yep, Wood, Puig, and Kemp are all on the last year of their deals. So what? The Reds want to try to compete. They have some solid lineup pieces and are going to see what happens. If things take a turn for the worse and they can’t compete, Wood and Puig can be traded at the deadline for WAY MORE than Jeter Downs and Josieh Gray, the two prospects they gave up.
This is a total win.
earmbrister
The Reds have a very strong farm system. They traded away their #9 and #20 prospects. The #9 is at a position of particular strength organizationally for the Reds; 2B.
It helps the Reds by bridging the gap between last year and a number of prospects being ready by 2020.
Sign Keuchel and your nipping at contention next year.
Altanta Barves
I guess I’ll have to go elsewhere to find out about Josiah Gray and Jeter Downs.
Altanta Barves
OK, Downs was the Reds’ No. 7 prospect, Gray No. 20 according to MLB. How hard was that?
Samuel
Sounds like you got their games down solid.
You ever think about becoming a scouting director?
Altanta Barves
The point is this article provides exactly zero context in regards to the prospects acquired. I’m sorry you’re too dense to understand that.
Melchez
From the article
“Downs was generally considered one of the ten best prospects on the Cincinnati farm, after all, with Gray not far behind him. Both players are top recent draft picks — Downs went 32nd overall in 2017; Gray was plucked in the second round in the 2018 draft — who have shown quite well in their first professional opportunities. Downs turned in a .257/.351/.402 slash with 13 home runs and 37 steals over 524 plate appearances last year at the Class A level, while Gray threw 52 1/3 innings of 2.58 ERA ball, with 10.1 K/9 against 2.9 BB/9, in a dozen Rookie ball starts.”
hexum311
Welcome to LA Bryce Harper
cincinnatikid
If the reds keep both Kemp and Puig I can see a package of either Scott Schebler or Jesse Winker along with Scooter gennett and a couple extra pieces to Cleveland for either Corey Kluber or Trevor Bauer that would open up 2ndbase for Nick Senzel. Cleveland might even try to include Jason kipnis in the deal back to Cincinnati
BrewCrew1302
LOL
hockeyjohn
Again – Why does Cleveland need Gennett for one year when we have Ramirez or Kipnis for 2nd base? Senzel would likely come to Cleveland. With the earlier trades that the Indians have made, they don’t need to tack on Kipnis in a trade for Kluber or Bauer. Cincy’s spare parts are not going to get you Corey Kluber.
Zodolo
For the Yankee fans out there – here’s a bad trade offer….
Kemp, Gennett and a prospect for Hicks and Gray.
Yanks probably need a bit more…but the Reds would be complete for the offseason.
Yankeepatriot
After seeing how much money LA saved this trade seems almost pointless
jbigz12
They saved 20 million and traded 2 guys they wanted to replace for 2 prospects. The prospects are actually prospects as well. Not throw in junk.
bravesfan
The prospects are not “actually prospects”. They r decent prospects with upside, but nothing suggesting they can be worth anything great in the future. They are exactly what they were used for today. Good players to attach to a deal. If I’m the Dodgers, I try to flip them also
AZPat
As soon as the Dodgers release Bailey, Reds should bring him in at the minimum. Then watch him become the Comeback Player of the Year.
titanic struggle
Ummm…no….lmao!!
simschifan
Oh look another team in the nl central not named the Cubs do something.
BrewCrew1302
hoping my brewers do something soon. Lowrie would be a nice fit. Its been quiet. and what are you talking about? Cards got Goldy and Miller. Cubs havent done much. still very early.
Rosstradamus
Cubs just did that Daniel Descalso block-buster signing! LOL
RangerRick123
Aren’t the Dodgers still paying for Adrian Gonzalez? lol
baseball365
I actually like what the Reds are doing. They’re going to field a competitive team without a very long-term commitment and aren’t sacrificing much in the process. Fridge prospects, etc. Sonny Gray would fill out that rotation well at this point and oddly enough, the Reds could be a team to watch in the NL Central next year. They need one more starting pitcher.
Best of all? They can evaluate a lot of these guys on 1 year flyers offer QA’s or resign if they like the match.
Chris
Some may argue stockpiling young players and draft picks and continuing tanking is the better option
Syndergaarden Cop
Wrong. One NL scout on new Dodger prospect: “Jeter Downs a stud….don’t care what he is ranked…future all-star.” Reds are morons.
earmbrister
Or, they just MIGHT know more than you …
Syndergaarden Cop
im not the one who said it
Zodolo
Downs might turn out to be really good…but the Reds have Gennett, Senzel and Shed Long also at his position. They traded a prospect from a position in which they had a surplus.
ksoze
And India. There is no doubt that Downs has potential, and could become a good major leaguer. But we lost two prospects that are not very highly ranked turned a 28 million dollar commitment to Bailey (a guy they were cutting in spring) into a windfall for 19. It works out it will cost the reds a little over 6m to sign Puig, Kemp, and Wood for a season. Not bad at all.
MahatmaGagne
I think sonny Gray in Cincy would be ideal
southi
I could definitely see the Reds signing Keuchel now in an effort to compete for the wild card game. Who knows they may even try to deal for Realmuto.
earmbrister
Keuchel, yes please.
Realmuto, a big pass. No thanks.
titanic struggle
Sign Pollack and deal for Kluber starting with Scooter, Trammel…and so on
Christian Larsen
Puig and Turner Ward are reunited!!
bravesfan
I get the money part of it… but I still feel like the dodgers got taken to the bank on this deal. The prospect return on this deal is very meh… and the talent you just traded away was worth the money ish. Kemp has played lights out the last 2 season to start a year. Just eat it one more year and keep woods and puig. Idk.. money really speaks volumes sometimes but I still feel like they could have gotten a better return for freaking woods and puig even attaching kemp and his contract to it
baseball365
Money is relevant, but it appears they want Harper. It’s a fair and logical assumption and they needed to open those OF spots. Signing Harper with both Kemp and Puig in the folder, even if limited to this year, still had it’s constraints. Runway is clear for Harper at this point.
BrewCrew1302
they could care less what they get back. this was simply a “get the hell out of town, we are going for Harper” move. Puig had to go. He burned every bridge there, and management HATED him.
national pastime
If the Dodgers are serious about not going into the tax bracket forget Harper. Realmuto and Kluber become more logical in my opinion. Dodgers still need to do more as they are the opposite of the Yankees very left handed hitting.
Danny B
Speaking of which they are talking about an Andujar for Bellinger trade.
Then Yabks sign Machado and Dodgers sign Harper.
Not the craziest thing I’ve heard.
MunsonJeterJudge
Dodgers will now flip Baily and Bellanger to the Yanks for Stanton and Hicks.. Yankees Sign Harper and Machado.
goldenmisfit
Trading two outfielders and $43 million in salary just screams making a push for Bryce Harper.
seamaholic 2
They’re taking back a guy who’s owed $28m and sending $7m to the Reds. So, no.
JKB 2
Well the Dodgers still have to pay the players they obtained so its not a huge savings but it helps
maxgjr
All this in an attempt to sign a guy that just hit .249, and was arguably the worst defensive outfielder in baseball. Doesn’t make sense to me, but i’m not a Dodgers fan so what do i care.
davidcoonce74
Bryce Harper was the 17th best hitter in baseball last year by WRC+. He was 35% better than the average major league hitter and, after the DL stint, he was the 9th-best hitter in baseball in the second half of the season. The defense was bad, but he’s never been bad before, and some of the bad defensive numbers are because of his time in center, and possibly the injuries; There’s a pretty good Mike Petriello article on MLB.com about this (not sure if I can post links) that discusses one year defensive flukes that makes some sense, especially because Harper is young and the skillset seems to be the same as it ever was.
shortytallz
This trade busted no blocks.
cwsOverhaul
Development here helps Machado. Now with at least the perception LAD will be heavy favorite to land Harper, others may offer Manny a fair bit more than planned. Thinking that’s Philly making it hard for Yanks to want to match.
Syndergaarden Cop
Reds FO one of the dumbest in the game. One NL scout on new Dodger prospect: “Jeter Downs a stud….don’t care what he is ranked…future all-star.”
earmbrister
You said basically that literally one minute earlier.
Got anything else?
Dan_Oz
Do you wake up angry or does it build during the day?
gocincy
Dude, you need to find a new dog to hump.
JKB 2
@sSyndergaarden .. hhhmm funny thing I just hears some other guy say the same thing … oh wait its just you cutting and pasting your one thought.
Hey by the way …. Another NL Scout on the trade: “Jeter Downs not a stud”. Who is right?
darkstar61
25.5 million less AAV in 2019 easily frees up enough luxury space for Harper/Manny – the reason the Dodgers did this is blatantly obvious
Not sure what Reds get in this though. Cant imagine they honestly think they can compete
darkstar61
*23.5 million AAV saved
Saint Chris
The Reds can’t compete?Their starting pitching, undoubtedly, is not great, but their lineup is incredibly, incredibly stout. Here ‘s a hypothetical batting order:
1 Gennett
2 Puig
3 Votto
4 Suarez
5 Winker
6 Kemp
7 Barnhart
8 Peraza
Is there an NL team that can out hit them?
darkstar61
They had one of the worst pitching staffs imaginable. Syre they can hit, but…
Knowthemarket
And there pitching just got better. It’s a start. Can’t really see how you don’t see this as a move that improves the Reds.
darkstar61
Didn’t say it doesn’t improve them. Said can’t see it pushing them over the top
jbigz12
I guess you have to try. You can’t fault a team for taking a minor chance at a postseason push. Odds are they can sell off wood/Puig for a similar return in July. I don’t think it’s a horrible gamble. Think the dodgers were very motivated to clear out these salaries. If Puig is tearing the cover off the ball at Great American Ballpark I could see him brining back a better package alone in July. I don’t think it’s that far fetched to see him doing that either.
MahatmaGagne
I have to give props to the Reds GM, picked up Roark, Woods, Puig, Kemp…..if they get Keuchel with their shutdown closer Iglesias? Watch out for Reds and that offense, Puig and Kemp could feast in that home ballpark.
Good job and their farm is tough as well. Can also flip Puig or Wood at deadline if all else fails. Cincy will be tough this year
titanic struggle
Yes, they were terrible, but not terrible in the sense that you dump them all and start over. Castillo, Romano, Mahle, Lorenzen and many of the other kids they ran out there are exactly that…kids. There’s talent there, but talent that needs time to develop. Look for several of them to get time in the BP this year.
megaj
I would say they are neck and neck on the hitting side with a HEALTHY Cubs in the NL. But If the Cubs add Pollock, Harper, or Marwin Gonzalez to replace Almora, then Cubs would have the best lineup. Their was a rumor a few weeks ago they were trying to add Almora in some kind of deal to the Mets for Thor but I guess it never panned out, so who knows. Obviously, Cubs have better rotation and bullpen though
JKB 2
Saint Chris are you saying the Reds have the best offense in the league?
jcraft21
It should be
Votto
Peraza
Gennett
Suarez
Kemp
Puig
Winker
Barnhart
Why not lead off Votto. Reds do not run and he’s on base is 40%
He is not a three hitter.. At least bat him second
Yankeepatriot
You have to add bailey’s aav and the 5 million to buy him out if it happens
darkstar61
I did – his AAV is 17.5. Dodgers saved 23.5 million AAV for 2019
Syndergaarden Cop
not even simple math? really?
darkstar61
20 AAV Kemp
12 AAV Puig
9 AAV Wood
Total 41 million AAV removed
17.5 AAV Homer added
41-17.5 = 23.5 AAV saved by Dodgers
Pretty simple and not sure what your malfunction is
Syndergaarden Cop
lol so slow, definitely fun to keep around for comic relief
lowtalker1
Reds are dumb lol
earmbrister
Thanks for your keen insight.
lowtalker1
You’re welcome.
HarveyD82
central gets better while the bucco management stick fingers up their asses
lowtalker1
Not really. Kemp is the outfield for one year at 21 mil
Puig with his arm and antics
Wood, I’m not sure how well he will fair in a hitters park and division. He was good in the west but the west has 3 large parks
If anything what they should have done first was work on pitching
But that’s my opinion
iverbure
Remember when all the Pirates fans said they were tanking after they traded McCutchen for a great return and they were buyers at the deadline? Lol I’ve got a bunch of them screen shotted they should have their posting privileges revoked.
George Ruth
This is an actual horrible move by Andrew Friedman when the Dodgers need a top of the line starting pitcher & bullpen help. — Homer Bailey is not a top of the line pitcher & does nothing to help the bullpen & all this BS of a trade does is weaken the pitching staff & takes away another veteran presence on the team in Kemp
paddyo furnichuh
Thankfully, you’re not in LA’s front office
sufferforsnakes
Trade for Kluber…….but it’s gonna cost dearly.
Dustin27
How do you figure the Dodgers need another top of the line starter? Buehler,Kershaw,Ryu,Hill is pretty good. I would say they have bigger needs at 2nd,catcher, and bullpen.
Bringbacktheblue
MLB network is praising the Dodgers and destroying the Reds. And apparently the prospect the Dodgers got back is now apparently a future Hall of famer… Typical. Smh
tiredolddude
Yeah well, it’s a good trade for the Reds. Must be exciting to have ownership that is committed to upgrading. In Pittsburgh, we drop veterans with average salaries to get utility players from Cleveland and scrap heap pitchers from the Padres. What a joke
iverbure
Lol I’m not a fan of either team but the moves or non moves the pirates have done are way better than what the reds just pulled off. Simpleton fans think teams are win any trades when they get the established players.
Ty1990
You have no idea what you’re talking about. it’s not like the Reds gave up Hunter Green or anyone in their top 8. We’re talking about a guy who’s still in single A and a pitcher who just stsrted pitching in the last 3 years. This will do nothing to damage the Reds in the future because they still have plenty If prospects left, plus the 7th pick and a competitive balance pick. Plus, if they do end up competing, they would get draft picks from whoever signs Puig and Wood.
Do everyone a favor and just follow the Yankees or whatever big market club that seem to dominate espn headlines, because you clearly haven’t followed the Reds.
At some point they have to start at least trying to compete. This move already adds to a top ten offense, and gives them a solid piece in the rotation. I think the Reds will surprise a lot of people this year.
platediscipline
The Reds finished 8th in the NL in runs per game and they play half their games in a band box. They are closer to a bottom 10 offense.
Wolverines2
this move is 100% about clearing room for Harper and perhaps adding a starting pitcher as well. Dodgers got what they want. do not understand it from the Reds side of things…In a tough division, not sure how bringing in these short contract veterans and giving up prospects makes sense. Enjoy 4th place!
Dbird777
Lol that MLB Network thinks they’re important.
SoxPow
Puig and Turner Ward reunited!!!
paddyo furnichuh
Would like this deal much more if the Dodgers were able to get Garrett.
iverbure
Man the Reds really want to win between 76-79 games for some reason. But the simpletons yelling collusion love teams making god awful deals like this because teams acquire these expensive terrible veterans appear to be trying to win. When in reality that’s not how you win in today’s mlb.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Kemp will be missed but Puig won’t. His numbers didn’t justify him acting like a clown. He never lived up to the hype. Even though certain Dodgers fans and media will try to make you think differently. Puig is an average baseball player and I’ve been wanting him gone for years.
puigpower
Yeah you’re in the minority
jimmertee
You might think that the dodgers could get much more than a few prospects, one is very good, for Wood, Puig, and Kemp.
I am shaking my head.
Dbird777
Not when they’re paying another team to take tens of millions of dollars off their hands.
hopper15
Puig is going to miss being in LA. Hopefully for Bell’s sake he buys in
MikeyHammer
The big story here is now Bailey is free to sign another cringe-worthy contract with the Reds.
Rosstradamus
Reds simply didn’t want another year of Homer Bailey, and can you blame them, guy is 9-26 6.29 ERA since coming back from surgery! Instead, they get a year of Puig/Kemp/Wood combo(also flip-able at the deadline as rentals) for like 10/mil more than they were already giving Homer B.(who won 1 game in 20 starts last season) plus 2 solid prospects 3 years away from majors! Makes at least some sense to me, especially if they can re-stock those prospects they lost(who I like) later down the road! Dodgers deal from surplus, get some luxury tax relief and possibly put themselves in-play for Harper(or Pollack), and more future asset ammo for Realmuto or Kluber trades, giving them more payroll flexibility to do what they really want! Fun Deal, and It didn’t Involve either Tampa OR Jerry DiPoto(or Both…LOL)
debubba
Who will be the dodgers starting outfield (don’t include Harper) and the two backups?
azmacky
Bells in LF, AJ Pollock in CF & Verdugo in RF
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Without trading Verdugo, it looks like Pederson, Bellinger, Verdugo. With a mix of Toles, Taylor, and Kikè. I don’t think Verdugo necessarily fits on this team as a tweener, and I think he’s a guy that gets moved. I don’t think they sign Harper either. So you’re looking at Pederson, Taylor, Bellinger combo to start the year with a Toles, Kikè, platoon/bench bat.
azmacky
LA needs to stay away from Harper. Maybe AJ Pollock for CF, Realmuto @ C, Kluber #2 behind Buehler.
Vynz
“The cash included in the swap from Los Angeles, then, will almost completely even out these salaries”
I think this sentence would read a lot better without “then” surrounded by commas. Like this for example:
“The cash included in the swap from Los Angeles will then completely even out those salaries”
Also I think “though” is unnecessary in this sentence. It confuses me slightly. I don’t know if you’re saying “on the other hand, Bailey only represents” because it contradicts what you just said the sentence before? The two statements don’t seem to negate each other.
“Bailey, though, only represents a $17.5MM hit for luxury tax purposes, while Kemp is a $20MM CBT piece”
PhanaticDuck26
Thanks for your opinions on all things unrelated to baseball .
KF
Someone’s gotta defend the English language. He’s got a point though, those sentences confused me too.
everlastingdave
Time to ask for a refund for your free instant breakdown of baseball news.
stratcrowder
I love this trade, even though we gave away two pretty strong youngsters. It clearly sends a message that Williams is in win now mode. If we sign Dallas, the Reds will be very dangerous in 2019. Desclafani as a 5th starter? Yeah, that’s the look I want to see!
Dallas K
Alex W
Luis C
Tanner R
Anthony D
ksoze
The Salary difference in 19 is 11.8M more for the Reds, and if you consider they would have payed homer an additional 5M in 20, then it’s a 2 year net cost of 6.8 Million. That is huge. The Reds should still be able to get Dallas, based off of their expected budget increase for 2019.
baseballpun
I think the Reds are still looking at fourth place but good for them for trying to field a competitive team rather than just packing it in.
Maybe this helps them convince Keuchel to sign. Then the Reds start to look legit.
But with the East as strong as it is only one team, at most, is making the WC game from the Central. Gonna be awfully tough for the Reds to jump two of CHC, MIL and STL. And their reward would be a single road playoff game.
ksoze
Actually they don’t have to jump any of those teams. Everyone’s record is 0-0 for 2019. Last years record doesn’t carry over anymore. New rules I guess.
baseballpun
Denial.
ksoze
OK, if you want to go off of 18’s records, the East will receive 0 wild card teams! 1 came out of the West, and 1 came out of the Central. In fact the Nationals would have been 5th in the Central last season, and Atlanta would have been 3rd in the Central. But as I said in my statement last years records don’t carry over.
RePete
The Reds were 26-50 against the NL Central. 41-45 against everyone else. Nearly .500.
sfgfan101214
Harper wants to WIN a World Series so why would he want to be a dodger?
puigpower
Because the Dodgers beat the Nats every year
ChiSoxCity
Like it matters. With the Astros, Saux and Evil empire spending every offseason, no NL team has a chance at winning a WS.
RIPprosports
Keep sippin on the hatorade!
joblo
Wow, Dodgers can make a run at Harper AND Realmuto.
RIPprosports
Hate spending all that money on Harper, but I think Dodgers are going to do it. Rather get Kluber. Realmuto is too high of an asking price if they want Bellinger in a package.
GarryHarris
This appears to be a flat out steal for the Reds but, we assume that the Dodgers know more than we understand. Homer Bailey is the worst pitcher in MLB and one of the most expensive.
RIPprosports
The trade wasn’t centered around Bailey, he was released as soon as the trade was official. Dodgers freed up money, surplus in the OF and SP, and got 2 decent prospects, hopefully throw in a couple more prospects to flip and get Kluber. More to come stay tuned.
carlote
exactly, Bailey was dump soon after the trade.
GarryHarris
When did Homer Bailey get released?
RIPprosports
As soon as the ink dried
ChiSoxCity
Unofficial chatter has Harper going to Dodgers for highest per year contract over 8 years w/opt outs. Machado headed to Evil Empire, will wait until January to announce.
Dodgerblog
The Dodgers could sign Harper. Now that they dumped salary. And could also resign Machado since they are paying a luxury tax penalty for a team 1 year over the cap. Minimum cap penalty
RIPprosports
NO WAY!
Definitely NO on Machado. Zero reason to sign him. Turner 3B and Seager SS. Makes no sense
Dodgerblog
Seager at 2nd
Dodgerblog
35 home runs is not zero reason!
RIPprosports
Harpers not worth all that money and Machado is a POS! Machado doesnt need to be in blue ever again. Half a season was more than enough. Utleys in the FO, Puigs gone, Hopefully all or most of the dirty/drama players are gone.
RePete
The Reds were 21-50 against the NL Central last year. Close to .500, 41-45, against everyone else. I don’t think they are as far away as people seem to think. Just signing Keuchel right now would put them right in the mix in the Central. It’s going to be fun to go down to GABP to watch them rake. I’m ready to go get some season tickets.
RePete
Correction. 26-50 against the NL Central.
PinstripedPride
This is from Michael Duarte, who is a Dodgers writer for NBC Sports.
Michael J. Duarte
✔
@michaeljduarte
Next order of business for the #Dodgers is
Corey Kluber. Per Source: #Dodgers and
#Indians are once again discussing a trade
centered around Corey Kluber. One rival
executive told me: “I’d be blown away if
Dodgers don’t get Kluber.”
500
2:13 PM – Dec 21, 2018
RIPprosports
Sounds good to me. Definitely more to come for the Dodgers. Rather see them get Kluber and pass on Harper.
zachgwest
If the Dodgers sign Harper almost every hitter is left handed. Although does left vs right handed really matter if you can hit both? Even vs relievers? Dodgers love match ups
NaiveYouAre
This move only makes sense if they are definitely signing Harper. Otherwise, there is no way they can grab Kluber without creating a huge hole in RF. No chance in hell the Indians give up Kluber without Verdugo being included in the deal.
RIPprosports
Makes sense for them to get Kluber with Verdugo as part of the package.
Losing Verdugo wouldn’t be a huge hole in RF. Bellinger, Pederson, Taylor, KiKi, and Toles is fine. Besides Toles, all these guys put up the same stats as Puig and Kemp, so nothing will really change from last season. Hopefully give them more opportunities to play everyday and stop all the platooning BS Roberts does on the regs.
nowheretogobutup
Dodgers gave up a lot of HR’s including their C who hasn’t found a team yet. I’d say they have to get Harper to come close to the loss of the long ball. At $35M a year good luck maybe his attitude in the clubhouse (Harper)will change, but I doubt it.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Following quote from some baseball internet story that I don’t remember. Pretty harsh mention of Homer Bailey but I guess it’s true.
“Going out are outfielders Yasiel Puig and Matt Kemp and left-hander Alex Wood, plus a bundle of cash. Coming in are a washed-up starting pitcher and a couple prospects”
billysbballz
Now the Dodgers with their heavy left handed lineup need to sign a RF. Everyone says Harper but they turkey need a RH bat. Enter Giancarlo Stanton. Yanks can basically send him there since we know he will waive his NT to go to Dodgers for a few fringe prospects and then sign Harper as they truly need left handed bats. The Dodgers would take on Stanton’s contract with the very reasonable 22.5 annual avg cap hit for the reigning NL MVP two years ago.
Would the Yanks make this deal?
TooToughToScuffle
Obviously, Reds are better. But if you add 4 wins to last seasons record, it’s 71-91…. Of course, some of their regulars were at almost 0 WAR.
slasher016
Don’t forget they’re already dumping Romano (-0.7 WAR) for Tanner Roark as well (3.4 WAR.)
billysbballz
Dodgers need Rh bats and a RF.
Stanton to Dodgers free up space for Yanks to sign Harper whom they need with his LH bat.
Stanton Avg cap hit us 22mill. Harpers will be allot more so Dodgers will have to send a few decent prospects.
RIPprosports
Sounds good to me. Depending on prospects. I’d rather have Stanton than Harper if the Dodgers were going to sign Harper to a long term deal. I hope they don’t. .
oldleftylong
Clearly, … indeed, … possibilities abound.
VegasSDfan
Who is the most over priced player In baseball? Bailey in my opinion
megaj
J. Heyward
jdgoat
Davis
WarrenSpahn
Bobby Bonilla…
seth3120
Makes some sense for the Dodgers but I don’t see it for the Reds. They don’t seem like a team that should be shipping prospects to for one year rentals but maybe I’m wrong. I’m not a Reds fan just saying recent results have not been good
Goetta
You have to think the Reds now are shopping Scooter or Senzel. No way Senzel stays in the minors and Scooter doesn’t have another position. If it’s Senzel on the move, return would be Kluber because they wouldn’t move him for anything but an ace. If it’s Scooter on the move then that frees up payroll and makes Keuchel a real possibility payroll wise. If either of those scenarios play out, Reds would be scary.
harmoney101575
reds and braves should do a prospect package Senzel for 1 of their top prospect pitchers
Goetta
I doubt the Reds would swap a prospect for Senzel.
Goetta
No way the Reds would swap a prospects for Senzel. You dont trade a top 5 prospect for other prospects, especially 1 to 1.
everlastingdave
I think Keuchel’s on the table either way.
Royalsfan12
It feels wierd to hear that Yasiel Puig is no longer on the Dodgers.
Boogaloo
Dodgers are clearly up to something else so have to wait and see the next move to judge their side.
I don’t get what the Reds are doing.
Even if all these players they have acquired recently have good years they’re unlikely to make the playoffs anyway, then they are all free agents.
Why throw away prospects for a slight chance at 1 year?
Red X
I feel like the lost in translation part of this deal is the net gain the Reds got for the Bailey contract. They turned a useless player into 3 players that will either play for the Reds and help, even if it’s for 1 season, vs a guy they likely would have just paid to go away. Even if they end up moving Puig or Kemp they still will get something out of that and turned Bailey into Wood. That’s a massive improvement.
Downs and Gray are good prospects but they are a ways off and Downs likely isn’t going to stick at SS. The Reds see Peraza as a long term answer there.
This was a way to make 28 million in dead space useful and they did just that.
Boogaloo
Baily and Kemp basically cancel each other out. Kemp had a good first half but I really wouldn’t expect a big year.
Clearly cincinatti wins the trade on pure talent for this year.
But are they really that close to be giving up decent prospects for one year?
I guess if they fall out of it they can hope to trade Puig or wood and get a similar return.
Or recoup draft pick if they have great years and don’t return them.
I guess all in all they got better this year and wont really lose talent in the long run so long as puig/wood play well.
restingmitchface
I think you’re being optimistic on what Matt Kemp will bring. Just like the Reds with Bailey, the Dodgers would’ve just considered DFA’ing Kemp at some point had they found no takers.
everlastingdave
For the improvement provided by Roark, Wood, Puig and Kemp to matter, the Reds can’t be done. From what I can tell, the rotation’s decent but needs a high-end upgrade, the lineup might be good enough, and the bullpen’s an arm or two short. That’s… a long way to go and some good teams they’re looking up at.
Goetta
Agreed to most points but the top teams in the division have holes as well (see Cubs and Brewers aging and underperforming rotations)and I think you are seriously underplaying how good their offense is. Not saying they are better than those teams, but Reds could be in the ‘one player away’ scenario at the trade deadline and have the farm system to make an acquisition. If nothing else, Reds went from sure thing bottom dweller to wild card conversation.
megaj
Puig has a history of disappointing the team he plays for, and the Reds may just get the declining Kemp instead of the shortlived burst of hope he offered the first half for the Dodgers. A good lineup sure, but not good enough to be scary
RIPprosports
Dodgers aren’t signing Harper. I would like to see them get Kluber but their rotation is solid. They need a catcher. Realmuto is a Dodger with Verdugo and prospects going to the Marlins in the next couple days. Reds really want to make a splash they go get Kluber!
Lanidrac
The Reds continue to get better. I hope the Pirates enjoy last place.
ChrisEnvy76
Everyone in the central is getting better. Someone needs to write an article about how the Cubs aren’t doing anything.. The title could be “Crickets From Ricketts”…. They better get on it or they will be luck to make the playoffs next year.
megaj
They are quiet because they really don’t need much, and only have enough budget to sign one decent FA-most likely a closer which is the one need they do have. They won 95 last year despite injuries everywhere and sloppy managing. They have the best starting rotation in the central, and now that they saw how much A. Miller signed for, it wouldn’t surprise me to see them offer a similar deal to Britton or Ottavino which would also give them the strongest bullpen in baseball. It would be pretty tough for teams to comeback vs. an Edwards/Strop, Morrow/Britton combination late in the game…
timothysus
Big Reds fan here and I have been very critical of ownership and management, but I have very mixed feeling on this trade, If we were talking about trading Bailey for Kemp, Puig and Woods I’d love it. But your not, when you throw prospects into the mix it changes everything. Prospects are the lifeline of a small market team, no matter what level they are. If Kemp, Puig and Woods all walk away next year as free agents and and either of the prospects become MLB players and do decent the Reds have lost the trade. If they walk and the prospect don’t amount to anythings it’s a wash. The only way the Reds can win at this trade is to extend Puig or Woods or both. The Reds have to get long term value to make this trade a winner. The question now is can ownership and management close the deal?
titanic struggle
If they don’t do this deal and just cut Bailey loose in the Spring they’re out 28mill with nothing in return. They dealt an attitude for a nutcase, but at least the nutcase is productive. You’re right about losing the prospects, but you know the old saying “gotta give up something to get something”. Sure, all three could end up walking but if they turn down a QO the Reds get a pick when they sign elsewhere, or they can be flipped at the deadline. So they could end up getting more back than what they just gave up. They aren’t done yet though (Uncle Dick said so, lol), if they do add a top notch starter this will be a very good team. I’m just excited that they’re making moves to get better. My Christmas list includes Pollack and one of either Keuchel, Kluber or Bauer. Also, Dick talked to The Famer before this went down and Marty said he wouldn’t be surprised at all if knee of either Kemp or Puig were not with the Reds next season. Was this a hint of things to come? You can see it on Marty’s FB page.
emac22
This seems weird to me too.
Why are the Reds going for it this year instead of rebuilding?
This must be the last gasp before the rebuild but getting rid of a 1st and 2nd round pick while adding salary to upgrade one starter for one year and pick up a couple of expiring corner outfielders seems a little weak.
Especially when the Dodgers seem to get a lot of financial value out of the deal. I’d have wanted some of that tax savings in the form of prospects.
RIPprosports
Bailey for Kemp Puig and Wood without any prospects? You are a Reds fan. If you think that’s a good trade and are super critical of your ownership. Nothing will ever make you happy. If they didn’t do anything you would complain about that too. While ownership is upsetting, they might as well go spend some more prospects and get Kluber too. That will really get you going.
emac22
You think this trade helps the reds?
I wouldn’t criticize anyone elses comprehension of the game because you don’t seem to have a clue beyond short term fantasy impact.
The value Cincy got isn’t valuable to a team in their position. They also only spent 7 mil. This isn’t part of building a contending team.
This was a financial move and the Dodgers cleared out some expiring junk and saved a ton of Money.
The reds got that junk in the hopes of fooling their fans into thinking they’re making a move and going for it this year.
Reggie Bars
This is a great trade for the Reds. They get rid of the bum Homer Bailey and the remaining money owed him. They get 2 quality players in Puig and Wood. And the prospects they gave up aren’t top quality prospects.
hopper15
I could see Puig being traded before the deadline if the team is out of contention.
Darth Alru
5th place Pittsburgh must be happy of that deal. lol
DarkSide830
Hmm, Reds might actually be good this year now. All they need is more of the same by Puig and Kemp, and a likely bounceback by Wood and they’ve already astronomically upgraded If they get another arm and a bit of luck from one of their incumbents and they could steal the second wild card.
titanic struggle
It’s nice to feel excited and optimistic for a change…
Lanidrac
Wood is a nice start, but the Reds still need a lot better pitching before they can hang with the three big dogs in the division.
Melchez
Trade with Tigers… Castellanos, John Hicks, Prospects F. Perez and Funkhouser for Joc Pederson, Urias, and Bailey. Dodgers save about $15 mil and get a temporary right handed hitting OFer, a backup catcher and two pitching prospects to work with. Tigers get a power hitting CF and a future lefty starter. Bailey plays out the year as a 6th man in the pen, then goes to free agency. Dodgers can use the savings to try and get Harper.
titanic struggle
Bailey was immediately released…
Melchez
He’s listed on the Dodger depth chart.
rosterresource.com/mlb-los-angeles-dodgers
RIPprosports
Don’t even know what to say about this. Do you people finish reading the articles before typing? Bailey was gonzo as soon as the trade was official. Even if they didn’t release Bailey this trade is idiotic. Dodgers aren’t signing Harper.
Z-A 2
Pretty sure the Dodgers got worse with this trade. All it did was free up locations in the outfield. This didn’t free up money? Confusing trade. I think they lost this one. And if Harper ends up as a NYY you just have to laugh. This is like the Sox trading for Alonso and Machado goes elsewhere.
RIPprosports
There is plenty of info provided on the internet now a days. Even in this article above. Please read a little before posting. It did free up money for the Dodgers and they received a couple decent prospects in return. Dodgers aren’t signing Harper and the Yankees aren’t either.
Z-A 2
Oh that’s right. No one is signing Harper. Right?
emac22
You dare to doubt the psychic friends network?
RIPprosports
Last time I checked there are more than 2 teams in the MLB. He already turn down 300 mil. He’s looking for something ginormous. Dodgers will not fork out that kinda cash long term. Yankees don’t need him. As of right now, unless something drastically changes via trade, Harper will not be in blue or pinstripes.
emac22
You do realize you just walked back your previous statement right?
RIPprosports
How?
titanic struggle
HAHAAA!!
emac22
You’re assuming Puig and Kemp are difficult or expensive to replace and they aren’t.
GarryHarris
Although it is an “addition by subtraction” type trade for the Dodgers, they traded away Yasiel Puig before the Tigers traded away Nicholas Castellanos. .
RIPprosports
What’s your point?
brandondc
Great job of financial chess from the Reds front office. I don’t know how any Reds fan can knock this deal, they’re doing exactly what the fanbase has asked for- trying to improve immediately. And if the experiment doesn’t work you’re out nothing… they’ll either a) trade Wood/Puig for better prospects from desperate contenders at the deadline, b) extend one or both of them, c) offer them QOs and either retain them or gain a pick comparable to what they gave up to get them.
Bottom line: the Reds dumped Homer’s contract and actually IMPROVED from it. They literally traded the franchise’s most despised player on one of the worst contracts in baseball and gained back a much-needed valuable lefty starter and a power-hitting righty OF that plays great defense and is a big fan favorite. How is that not a huge win?!?
titanic struggle
brandondc…I have nothing to add to what was and outstanding post, other than… thank you, well said.
sixpacktwo
Bad Contract, Yes, despised, NO.
Wolf Hoffmann
If Homer was despised in Cincinnati then I can’t wait to hear how the Red’s fans felt about Kemp, Puig and Wood by next offseason. LMAO.
norcalblue
So long and thank you Yasiel. You played hard and with great passion. Every day you were in the lineup, I looked forward to seeing you play.
I hope the combination of being reunited with Turner Ward and playing in a great hitter’s park catapults you to an extraordinary year! The best of luck to you!
dutchman
Reds Next Moves:
Reds need 2 more starters, a reliever, and a true CF.
Trade: Scooter Gennett for Sonny Gray… Put Senzel @ 2B.
Trade: Taylor T. Trammell, Jessie Winker, A, DeSclafani, for C. Kluber
Sign: AJ Pollock for CF
Sign: A. Ottavino for bullpen
Reds Rotation: Kluber, Wood, Gray, Castillo, Roark… Mahle & Romano as 6 & 7 options.
sixpacktwo
Boy, I’m glad your not the GM.. Get a CF (Williams?) for ‘D’ replacement and start in large stadiums and lets trade Gennett for some help, but then let’s have some fun this year and give our young players another year of experience. We will have like 50 Million to spend where we need it.
Wolf Hoffmann
It is difficult to evaluate this trade until both teams are done with their moves this offseason. The Dodgers cleared a little payroll and got rid of some malcontents. They also opened up some at bats for Verdugo and the rest. However the team is absurdly left handed. Farmer was their back-up catcher and now they only have Barnes and a guy named Rocky Gale who has a lifetime B.A. of .091. Yes I know B.A. don’t matter but come on! LA obviously needs to get a catcher unless they are planning on fast tracking Ruiz. Turner, Hernandez, Barnes, Taylor and Freeze are the only right handed bats currently on the roster not named Rocky Gale. It will be interesting what other moves LA will make.