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White Sox Acquire Ivan Nova

By Jeff Todd | December 11, 2018 at 12:30pm CDT

12:58am: Young hurler Yordi Rosario and $500K in international spending capacity are going to the Bucs, Heyman tweets. The deal has now been announced.

12:10pm: The Pirates will receive a “young pitcher” and an unstated amount of international bonus pool availability, per Jon Heyman of Fanced (via Twitter).

10:55am: The White Sox have struck a deal with the Pirates to acquire righty Ivan Nova, according to Ken Rosenthal and Robert Murray of The Athletic (via Twitter). The return is not yet known; the deal will not be finalized until the teams have completed a review of medicals.

At first glance, this is quite an interesting swap owing to its potential downstream ramifications. Moving Nova will clear $8.5MM of payroll for the Bucs, who could put those funds to use in pursuing other players. The White Sox, meanwhile, have continued to make good on their stated intention to bolster their MLB roster in the near term.

Nova, who’ll turn 32 early next year, has been a sturdy rotation piece since landing in Pittsburgh at the 2016 trade deadline. He re-signed with the club in the ensuing winter on a three-year deal that expires at the end of the 2019 campaign.

Over the past two campaigns, Nova carries a 4.16 ERA with 6.3 K/9 and 1.8 BB/9 over 348 frames. He’s not generating as many grounders as he once did, but still has drawn worm burners on over 45% of the balls put in play against him. Meanwhile, Nova has been hurt by the long ball, allowing more than 1.4 per nine since the start of 2017.

It’s not a terribly exciting profile, but it’s one with value. Nova is still working in the 93 to 94 mph range with his pair of fastballs, while his swinging-strike rate has sat above eight percent — right in line with his career average. There’s good reason to anticipate that he’ll mostly be the same pitcher in 2019.

For the Chicago organization, adding Nova will help bolster a staff that has bid adieu to veteran James Shields. The club could certainly stand to add more arms, though it’ll also continue to decade at least two or three spots to its preexisting rotation options. Previously, the South Siders added veteran reliever Alex Colome to anchor the bullpen.

Interesting as it will be to see what else the White Sox do the rest of the way, the Pirates are now a potentially intriguing wild card on the market. Having dealt for Chris Archer and Keone Kela over the summer, the Bucs certainly seem positioned to add more pieces. After today’s trade, they’ll have more free payroll space to work with than they did at the outset of the offseason, even after having already signed Jung Ho Kang and Lonnie Chisenhall. Of course, moving Nova also leaves the Pittsburgh rotation with one less reliable arm. The organization could fill the opening from within (with Nick Kingham and eventually top prospect Mitch Keller) and/or pursue cheaper depth pieces via free agency.

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  1. Sheev Palpatine

    6 years ago

    cmpleted

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    • justinept

      6 years ago

      I don’t mean to point out typos. I just love the irony that the word completed isn’t technically completed here.

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      • MetsYankeesRedSox

        6 years ago

        Pwned!

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      • EndinStealth

        6 years ago

        Nice!

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  2. swanhenge

    6 years ago

    Nice deal for them. And so it begins…

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    • iverbure

      6 years ago

      How on earth do you know that? Full deal hasn’t been announced. Just confirms new fans like any deal where their team gets the established player.

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      • swanhenge

        6 years ago

        Well who’d you think they’d give up for Ivan freakin Nova?! I simply stated it’s a good deal to acquire a short term, veteran arm that likely isnt going to require a big return.

        And I hate the White Sox.

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        • 3rdStrikeLooking

          6 years ago

          [Yawn, again]

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  3. djpiglatin

    6 years ago

    Nova back in the AL is a 4 inning monster!

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  4. BrewCrew1302

    6 years ago

    solid move. He had a nice year for the Pirates

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    • Horace

      6 years ago

      93 era+ is nice?

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      • jimmyz

        6 years ago

        For a fifth starter back of the rotation type pitcher that is pretty nice

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        • Horace

          6 years ago

          He’s depth on a contender.

          Sabathia had a 120 era+ and signed for 8 mil.

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        • jimmyz

          6 years ago

          Agreed, but do you view the White Sox as a contender right now? As it stands, Nova is a stable, veteran innings eater for a team that had a lot of young and volatile pitchers in the rotation last season for basically just salary relief, some international money and potentially only slightly more than a warm body.

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        • Horace

          6 years ago

          I can’t see why you would pay $9 million for that. With that farm, cycle a few guys through the rotation or do an opener/committee game in that spot.

          It’s also a bit curious since Hahn or Williams was saying they are only interested in spending on difference makers, not these replacement levelish guys that won’t move the needle

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        • GoSoxGo

          6 years ago

          As innings eaters go, Nova is cheaper than Happ, and he’s still young enough to be part of a competitive Sox team in a year or two. If he performs well, he can be traded at the deadline if the Sox are no farther down the rebuild road than they are currently, and in any case his contract expires at the end of the 2019 season. Besides, he might win a few games for the Sox in the bargain. But this signing, and most of those yet to come, will be effective only if those hyped prospects can perform somewhere close to expectations.

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    • baseballpun

      6 years ago

      “Nova for Moncado”

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      • Joe Kerr

        6 years ago

        If you’re going to troll, at least spell his name right.

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        • baseballpun

          6 years ago

          Expert trolling requires misspellings.

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        • Joe Kerr

          6 years ago

          Oh, my bad, I must have missed that while I slept through trolling 101.

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        • baseballpun

          6 years ago

          Ah, only a true troll would troll the trolling the class by sleeping through it.

          You have learned much.

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  5. EndinStealth

    6 years ago

    Cant be much.

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  6. Slipknot37

    6 years ago

    I liked him as a pirate. Wish him the best with the white sox

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  7. NellieFox

    6 years ago

    Not sure I understand that

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  8. HarveyD82

    6 years ago

    good job bucs. hopefully we get some fungos and batting gloves in return… maybe get a 35 yr old journeyman that bats .200 or injured reliever…

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    • brian726

      6 years ago

      I dont want any player back for him just clear his salary is good enough for me. He is not a good pitcher I guess he is passable as a number 5 but not making over $8 million.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        Yeah that’s probably nova’s market value. 1/8.5. I could see a 28 year old AAAA player coming back just to make it look like a return.

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        • iverbure

          6 years ago

          The vein diagram of fans who don’t know what they’re talking about and people who reference batting avg is a perfect circle.

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        • MetsYankeesRedSox

          6 years ago

          Venn, not vein

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      • Goku the Knowledgable One

        6 years ago

        Clearing his salary for what?

        It opens a new need in the rotation.

        Do you think the Pirates will:

        A.) use 8.5M towards finding a pitcher they like better

        B.) hand the job to a LMG.. (Pirates fan slang for League Min Guy)

        C.) sign someone at less than half that rate to replace him

        D.) Do nothing, pocket the cash, use whatever bust we get in return to fill the need

        ——

        If you chose A.. then you are wrong… All other options are correct

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        • Goku the Knowledgable One

          6 years ago

          Yep, Pirates receiving “young pitcher” in return..

          Aka Nova’s replacement

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        • jimmyz

          6 years ago

          Kingham is out of options and doesn’t really fit the bullpen so there’s the in house LMG to replace Nova as Keller’s placeholder. That 8.5 million should be spent on Jed Lowrie and the team as a whole would be much better off that way.

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        • tigerbreak

          6 years ago

          It should, but won’t be Frazier and Kramer will play INF this year, Kingham will pitch in Nova’s place.

          Nutting saves some coin.

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        • 3rdStrikeLooking

          6 years ago

          Did you ever have an original thought?? Ever??

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        • wkkortas

          6 years ago

          If this means a half-season of Kingham and Brault futzing around in the fifth spot in the rotation, that ain’t good.

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        • swanhenge

          6 years ago

          Oh the irony. Have you ever started your own thread w an original take of your own? We all see you’re awesome at insulting peoples’ post, but how come I never see you coming w any sort of thought? You should take the bat off your shoulder and quit being such a bottom-rung guy.

          This message board used to be such a great place to talk about baseball.

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        • panj341

          6 years ago

          Another equal trade in the way of talent and money for the Pirates. LOL
          This ownership team would have traded Clemente and Stargell for a couple of low minor league players.

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        • Brewer67

          6 years ago

          D

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        • 3rdStrikeLooking

          6 years ago

          This is a message board?? You bore me.

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        • panj341

          6 years ago

          Totally agree, if we had a decent owner they might say now we have the salary room to sign Bryce or Manny.

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        • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

          6 years ago

          Google “Mitch Keller”, Yinzer.

          The irony is the “fans” would have complained about the Pirates overpaying Nova if they had kept him.

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        • Goku the Knowledgable One

          6 years ago

          No one would ever complain about the pirates overpaying anyone……. Ever.

          Cuz they’ve never overpaid anyone.

          Was paying 7.5 Mil to Clint Barmes to start really overpaying when someone else would have given him 5Mil just to warm the bench?

          Notice I refence all old players cuz I’m not dumb enough to follow the team anymore.

          Unlike one Josh Bell fan apologist.

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  9. Cave

    6 years ago

    I thought the Sox were rebuilding. Comes as a bit of surprise

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    • dray16

      6 years ago

      they were, but not anymore. Don’t be surprised if more moves are made by them this week. AL central is weak, they’ll compete this year.

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      • baseballpun

        6 years ago

        Maybe they’re about to back up the truck for Manny or Harper.

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        • dray16

          6 years ago

          they may try, but not sure they’ll want to bid high enough to get them. Curious what offers both players will actually get compared to what they want. You’d think if it drops they’d be interested, as would many other teams though.

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        • zpgreen

          6 years ago

          I don’t get where the White Sox are even getting money from. Their tv deal is garbage, they can’t put fans in seats with free tickets, the stadium has one of the dumbest names in sports, and they are the ugly, red headed stepchild to the Cubs in the same city. There are probably more white sox fans in Arizona at their spring training facility than in Chicago.

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        • jdog

          6 years ago

          trivia: in all of sports anywhere in the world, what team has the word “losers” in its nickname?

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        • MrStealYoBase

          6 years ago

          MacPhisto bruh I’m a white Sox fan too but you are definitely one of the more obnoxious people on this site. Every comment is an article and you used the word “rape” in reference to a trade. What are you 14?

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        • brushbackmlb

          6 years ago

          Let’s be honest, all sports venues named after corporations are dumb. But if you actually are looking for income levels, the Sox have a fairly good TV deal. According to a Fangraphs article, they brought in $51 million in TV money in 2016, good for 12th place out of 30 teams. It’s not crazy money, but for a team that hasn’t had a winning season in a while, it’s not bad. The naming rights deal is one of the richest in all of sports… $68 mil from 2002-2028. Fortunately, they put that money into park improvements and it’s a much cooler place to see a game now than it was when it first opened. For ticket sales, the 2018 Sox drew 1.6 million fans. That is pretty low, but still easily enough to cover a $8.5M salary for a #5 starter, especially considering how little is currently on the books for this team.

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        • Aaron Sapoznik

          6 years ago

          If I was 14 I’d be posting text length comments chock full of grammatical errors. By nature of my alter ego it’s only fitting that I relish in the banter on these sites. I was a troll long before my pal Al Gore invented the internet!

          Btw-Rape is a word with many meanings. I can check you into one of my sensitivity classes if you are amenable, maybe even the one that specializes in political correctness which has always been a particular favorite of mine.

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  10. mlb1225

    6 years ago

    A little surprised they trade him now, but ok.

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    • Goku the Knowledgable One

      6 years ago

      They were going to trade him eventually.

      Remember, it’s not about selling high, it’s about saving money. Keeping him until the deadline means they have to pay most of his contract.

      Big time no no for them.

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  11. Jbigz12

    6 years ago

    Pitt makes room for kingham/Kuhl in the 5th slot. Ownership gets to save cash. Think either one of those guys can give you what nova does next season though. Hopefully they use that cash to bolster the club.

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    • mlb1225

      6 years ago

      Kuhl’s going to miss most of 2019 after having Tommy John surgery. Kingham had a few good games but not much else. Maybe they’ll sign some veteran like Trevor Cahill or Clay Buchholz just to keep the seat warm for Keller.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        You are correct on Kuhl. My mistake there. Signing Cahill probably runs you more cash but I suppose I’d prefer him to nova. There’s plenty of bargain bin starters out there that could be had for less than 5 Mil.

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        • mlb1225

          6 years ago

          I wouldn’t mind them taking a shot at Buchholz though on a low-risk deal. He turned in a 3 bWAR and a near sub-2 ERA last season, granted it was less than 100 innings. But still.

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      • Robertowannabe

        6 years ago

        In addition, I would look for Kuhl to be in the bullpen when he comes back. Would be more value pitching with his stuff in multiple short inning stints than he would be as a starter putting strain on that arm in longer outings.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Think maybe the buccos want to add a lefty to that rotation? Wade Miley? I imagine Miley wouldn’t cost too much more than nova, though he’s probably looking for a multi year pact

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        • mlb1225

          6 years ago

          Or they could sign someone like Drew Pomeranz and take bring him in as a reclamation project. They love those kind of pitchers.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          I like that idea a lot. I think Pomz is going to get his price bid up based on his upside but I’d be interested in taking the gamble. Even if it came at Nova’s guaranteed rate.

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  12. leefieux

    6 years ago

    $8.5 million was way too much for the, um, prudent Bucs.

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    • xabial

      6 years ago

      Tyson Ross got 5.5M. Vargas got 16M

      I’ll take Nova at that salary on a year deal, over either of these two. Relevant cuz uhh.. market for SP

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        I think Ross is pretty comparable at 1/5.5. I can see why a team would have interest in nova at that rate and minimal prospect cost but I can certainly see why the bucs think they can find a better replacement. The bucs don’t have a left handed starter. Maybe they’re looking to add one?

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      • phnxdark23

        6 years ago

        Neither of those deals were given out by the Pirates. Seems clear his comment was less about market value or Nova’s worth than the fact that the Pirates are laughably cheap.

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  13. HarveyD82

    6 years ago

    “pursuing other players” who? no one thats who.

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  14. leprechaun

    6 years ago

    For taking that bum and his salary White Sox should also get a top ten prospect with him and give back nothing

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  15. sss847

    6 years ago

    sox pitching staff issued the most walks in all of baseball last year. nova’s BB/9 was around 1.8.

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  16. Gnotorious

    6 years ago

    Eloy to the Bucs

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    • mlb1225

      6 years ago

      lol, that would be fun.

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  17. adshadbolt

    6 years ago

    Why were the angels not in on him

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  18. ramon garciaparra

    6 years ago

    How ironic. Sox fans were wishing upon a Star (harper) and instead receive a Nova.

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    • batty

      6 years ago

      Well that’s just super.

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    • brushbackmlb

      6 years ago

      haha…Appreciate the word play!

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  19. dray16

    6 years ago

    Heyman is reporting a young pitcher and international slot $$$ going to Pittsburgh.

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    • dray16

      6 years ago

      I’m going to guess…… Zach Lewis

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  20. tylerall5

    6 years ago

    Hopefully this is to make room for they stated goal of adding a left handed starter. I’d be rather disappointed if they don’t use his funds, but such is the life of a Pirates fan.

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  21. ChiSox_Fan

    6 years ago

    Cooper will “fix” Nova and turn him into a #3.

    Sox have the money. Worth a try. Yay.

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    • ChiSox_Fan

      6 years ago

      “Nova” means “no go” – just like the Chevy.

      I hope this deal is more successful than the Chevy.

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      • Lahkini

        6 years ago

        Snopes.com has a pretty interesting article on how that whole nova story is a lie. It is a good read…

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  22. xabial

    6 years ago

    Shucks. Would have took Super Nova for Sonny Gray

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    • baseballpun

      6 years ago

      Would the Yanks have room on the roster for him and every other player in the league?

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      • luclusciano

        6 years ago

        sure, I think they expanded the 40 man to 80 man just for the yankees. As an FYI – gray is already on the 40 man, so it would be a swap. I wouldn’t think the yankees would take Nova back, but if you are going to comment, at least add some value.

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    • tylerall5

      6 years ago

      As a pirates fan I would have liked that.

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      • xabial

        6 years ago

        Especially since our teams make excellent trade partners 🙂 We’ll chalk Gerrit Cole up to anomaly.

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        • tylerall5

          6 years ago

          I posted a while back about a possible Nova/Gray deal. I hope that still happens as guys we get from Yankees usually do well. Burnett, Cervelli, Nova, and although we didn’t get him directly from the Yankees Martin was a huge success.

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  23. mlb1225

    6 years ago

    Maybe the Pirates will go after Sonny Gray now. Pitcher friendly park, and Searage has turned around guys like him in the past. Or another reclamation project like Drew Pomeranz.

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  24. ChiSox_Fan

    6 years ago

    I hope the Sox give the Bucs Carson Fulmer.

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    • Joe Kerr

      6 years ago

      I would rather see them try him out of the pen before giving him away.

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      • ChiSox_Fan

        6 years ago

        They tried it last year.
        Not good.
        Walk after walk.

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        • andrewf

          6 years ago

          Trade him for a PTBNL and tell him to do a BARREL ROLL.

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  25. SonnySteele

    6 years ago

    Just wondering how many of you commenters also look at Hard Ball Talk and notice how few comments are there compared to this site. Why do baseball fans prefer MLB Trade Rumors to Hard Ball Talk in such overwhelming numbers?

    I’m not a big Hard Ball Talk fan. Just wondering why this site is so much more popular. I mean, it doesn’t even have pictures!

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    • tylerall5

      6 years ago

      I’ve just used this site for years and don’t want to make a change. The app is super convenient as well because you can get coverage of football, hockey, and basketball in one place.

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  26. Aaron Sapoznik

    6 years ago

    Nice veteran addition to replace James Shields in the rotation. The White Sox could also use another starting pitcher, maybe a FA southpaw like Dallas Keuchel or J.A. Happ. All this, along with the recent acquisition of closer Alex Colome could give them some further ammunition to entice a Bryce Harper or Manny Machado who could see the front offices “pitch” of becoming a contender sooner rather than later actually come to fruition in a weak AL Central..

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  27. TJECK109

    6 years ago

    I don’t know what the fuss is about over trading him, he’s far from a major subtraction. His ERA per year are consistent but not great.

    2015 – 5.07
    2016 – 4.17
    2017 – 4.14
    2018 – 4.19

    Pirates fans want a winner but get pissed when they dump a mediocre pitcher making 8.5mil. You are right keep paying for mediocrity

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    • Robertowannabe

      6 years ago

      Too many Pirates fans listen to local talk radio and read the local rags that have beaten the same tired old drum for years. Pirates are cheap and will always trade all the good players away to save money. Because the hear this garbage all the time, they assume this was another good player being traded to lower the payroll. Assuming that I will hear this line while on my way home today as well. The talking heads will make it sound like a another top player dumped to save money disregarding that Nova is ok but not a top player by any means.

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      • tylerall5

        6 years ago

        Also has to do with the fact that everyone thought that he had amazing control because he wouldn’t walk anybody. They just completely disregard the fact that he was so hittable.

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  28. fs54

    6 years ago

    I feel like I am in an alternate reality or something. I don’t mean to brag but I am fairly knowledgeable baseball fan. I may not know a player’s face but I have heard pretty much all their names. For some reason, I just cannot recall Ivan Nova at all. I feel embarrassed by this. Did he ever change his name?

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    • swanhenge

      6 years ago

      He came up w the Yanks.

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    • Not Xabial

      6 years ago

      No name change. Played for the Yankees 2010-2016 and then the Pirates from 2016-2018.

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    • Willy Mays

      6 years ago

      If you don’t know Ivan Nova you are not a knowledgeable baseball fan.In 2011 he was 16-4 with a 3.70 era for the Yankees.This wasn’t some fringe player

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    • Captain Jack

      6 years ago

      You are in an alternate reality. For example, Oscar Meyer is now Oscar Mayer. The tv show sex in the city is now sex and the city and Darth Vader does not say Luke, I am your father it is no, I am your father. So, we all might be really living in an alternate reality. I blame CERN, or either the Illuminati. Take your pick.

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  29. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    I rarely criticize a GM because we seldom know the whole story. But Hahn makes me wonder. They only way I take an expensive ever-so-slightly-better than Replacement Level pitcher making 8.5M is to get AT LEAST a couple of mid range prospects in a decent system (which the Pirates have). And the return is three on-the-cusp minor leaguers (as in possibly released minor leaguers).

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    • MrStealYoBase

      6 years ago

      The Sox need veterans who can be solid and fill out the rotation next year without long term commitments. They have a plethora of pitching prospects coming up through the system and this move costs them basically nothing but payroll which they can easily afford. They gave up a RHP who wasn’t in their top 30 (or even top 100 probably) and bonus pool space that they couldn’t spend with the penalties.

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  30. sox34

    6 years ago

    With his career and stats, we could be looking at a future hall of fame player for just 8.5MM. Can you believe this?

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  31. Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

    6 years ago

    I’m going to lob my guess on the return to the Pirates here:

    Either: a) Konnor Pilkington or b) Tyler Johnson. Both pitchers. If I’m right, MLBTR bloggers owe me a beer.

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    • Priggs89

      6 years ago

      Not even close man

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  32. jdog

    6 years ago

    Nova is simply a stopgap until Kopech returns

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  33. holecamels35

    6 years ago

    Cue the two types of Pirates fans:

    OMG Nutting is so cheap, never gonna win if they won’t pay anyone or keep their stars around.
    Good riddance, he sucked anyways.

    I’d like to think I’m in between here. Nova was solid, 8M is fine for him, much better than when we had scrubs like Jeff Locke who pitched 5 innings. Problem is, he’s relied upon too much on the Pirates limited roster. Fine as a 4-5 pitcher, not good enough to be a top 3 pitcher like the Pirates needed him to be.

    He was a great pickup for a few years, those Yankees deals always seem to work.

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    • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

      6 years ago

      FWIW, Nutting is cheap. But let’s see what the return is. If it’s a young starter like Pilkington, then the Bucs did ok.

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      • Robertowannabe

        6 years ago

        The return actually does not really matter if they do sign someone to replace him in the rotation that is better. Several FA that are out there that could help them more for not much more money than they were paying Nova. If they sit on the roster and not add much more than it would be a loser trade for the Bucs.

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        • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

          6 years ago

          Well, nope I heard it’s Yordi Rosario. So, hey, Pirates, being Pirates.

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        • Monkey’s Uncle

          6 years ago

          To be fair, it’s Rosario plus international spending money, which the Bucs could definitely use. This was more about the Bucs thinking they could better allocate Nova’s $8.5 million elsewhere, like a lefty starter or maybe SS.

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  34. Aleyna Celeste

    6 years ago

    I don’t really understand this trade from the white sox pov…if it had been a waiver pick up it would make more sense..idk maybe I’m missing something

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  35. sox34

    6 years ago

    Andrew luck is a top 5 quarterback.

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  36. Robertowannabe

    6 years ago

    And the Pittsburgh Talking heads are starting already. At least it was 50/50 for the mid afternoon guys now on. One bemoaned the trade. Did not make sense to him that the Pirates would trade such a valuable guy. Other guy said Nova was terrible so good riddance

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  37. Darth Alru

    6 years ago

    So, basically, the Pirates traded Liriano and two top prospects for a guy who miserably failed every chance on spring training and played zero games for MLB level team, spent saved money on 3 years of Nova (which they had anyways) and after 2 years traded him for a rookie ball pitcher? lol
    Ok, ok, I wanna wait a little bit to see what happens next (Bryce or Manny?), but right now it looks like a triple facepalm to me..

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    • Darth Alru

      6 years ago

      Sorry, Drew had 11 innings, but it doesn’t change anything..

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      The pirates can grab Harold Ramirez in this years rule 5 draft if they’d like him back…

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      • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

        6 years ago

        Does he earn a salary? Because if so, he’s not being selected.

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  38. fatelfunnel

    6 years ago

    Yordi Rosario…19 year old?

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  39. Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

    6 years ago

    So the good news is that Nutting saved enough money here to bring back SkyBlast a couple of times, right? Right? Fireworks and a concert by Warrant? Who’s in? Raise the Jolly Roger? Anyone?

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    • sufferforsnakes

      6 years ago

      I’ve seen Warrant in concert. They put on a great show. Raise it!

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  40. stansfield123

    6 years ago

    For a brief second, that last name in the headline read like “Nola”. I thought, okay, so let’s try and rescue the Liberty Bell before Philly burns to the ground tonight.

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  41. Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

    6 years ago

    Follow-up story at 8PM: Pirates Trade Cervelli to Houston for International Bonus Slot Money and New Alpine Slide at Seven Springs – Huntington Says the Bucs Will “Absolutely Contend” in 2019

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    • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

      6 years ago

      By the way, that gets Bucs payroll down to $59M. Once they give away Cervelli to the Mets or Astros and give away either Dickerson or Polanco to Cleveland, payroll will be around $40 million. WINNING!

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  42. panj341

    6 years ago

    Another equal trade in the way of talent and money for the Pirates. LOL
    This ownership team would have traded Clemente and Stargell for a couple of low minor league players.

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  43. Overbrook

    6 years ago

    How in the world do you give up a prospect of any sort for a pitcher like Nova who makes that kind of salary? Rick Hahn is beyond incompetent

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  44. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    6 years ago

    Nova was a good soldier here, but Kingham is just as good if not better at this point and Mitch Keller will be up mid-summer.

    I hope the slot money goes towards paying a blue chip prospect. I understand the merits of spreading it out among more players, especially when they are so young and far from developed, but scouting advances make it harder to find hidden gems.

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    • RedRooster

      6 years ago

      “Pirates had to trade for Nova to be able to outbid everyone else for him and trading Cole and Cutch made them better in 2018” XD XD XD

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      • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

        6 years ago

        Right. Check how many wins they had in 2017 compared to 2018. Let me know if you know which number is higher.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          Right. Check what Cole’s ERA and Cutch’s OPS were. Let me know if you know how they compare to the Pirates’ other starters and outfielders.

          And then let me know if you know which is better: having Nova, Polo and Tarpley or just Nova.

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        • DonB34

          6 years ago

          After that, check the attendance in 2018 compared to 2017. Let me see if you know which is the 20 year lowest figure. No one cared about that trash fire team, and their 15 gift wins against the terrible AL Central in interleague play. “Yay, I’m a Pirate fan celebrating 82 wins”

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        • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

          6 years ago

          Which season did they have more wins in? 2017 or 2018?

          Even you can do this math. I have faith in your third grade teacher.

          Make him/her proud and show the world that you can identify the greater of two numbers.

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        • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

          6 years ago

          I don’t care about Nutting’s wallet.

          If 12 people or 35,000 show up, it changes nothing for me.

          Although, I have to laugh at the dunces who think that lowered attendance will do anything but lower payroll.

          Math is not the forte of most yinzers, so basic economics is asking far too much.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          If you seriously think that this was because of them trading Cole and Cutch and not despite it, that tells us all we need to know about you.

          Condescension does not help your argument. Nor does blatantly ignoring half of mine.

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        • RedRooster

          6 years ago

          LOL you even admitted on the original thread about the Pirates trading for Nova that the trade was stupid.
          “That said, this deal is so pointless. why let a FA pitch when they could let Kuhl, Brault or Glasnow pitch instead?”

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  45. joew

    6 years ago

    not a bad take for the pirates. would rather a position player prospect than the 500k bonus money but still not the worst. Nova will be missed though… had some real stinker games but pushed through.

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    • Robertowannabe

      6 years ago

      If in the case of Bae plus what other teams do, maybe they have a quality international signing coming for a position player and this might help seal the deal. Time will tell.

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    • Monkey’s Uncle

      6 years ago

      I pretty much feel the same way. I liked Nova but I have no issue with this trade at all. Nova is solid but replaceable for the Bucs, and that’s $8.5 million that they can look to allocate elsewhere. The international bonus money part of the return actually intrigues me and makes me hope that they are trying to line up a bigger name prospect than they are usually able to pursue.

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  46. DixieSnoop

    6 years ago

    Way to go Rick! We get a major league starter for a “prospect” only by definition, a 19 year old who played in the Dominican Summer League and not one of the top 60 White Sox prospects.

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  47. hoosierdaddy

    6 years ago

    Salary dump by the Pirates. White Sox get a back of the rotation replacement for James Shields. A win for both clubs.

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  48. canocorn

    6 years ago

    Phase 1 of offseason deals with Bucs complete.
    Phase 2 would pry Cervelli away without sending Eloy back east. Then sign Cervelli to an extension.

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    • retire21

      6 years ago

      Canocorn, fan of the Gunner by chance?

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  49. tiredolddude

    6 years ago

    This has really become par for the course in Pittsburgh. It’s not so much the fact that Nova was traded that is confounding but instead, trying to discern the front office’s all-over-the-road approach in advance of a new season. They shock us by grabbing Archer and Kela, and give away one of their starters.
    I get the economics angle. Harrison and Mercer gone and likely Dickerson too, after ‘19, but these guys never seemed to have embraced a strategy that is anything but one step forward, two steps back.
    Maybe they’ll surprise us again in ‘19

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    • DonB34

      6 years ago

      Huntington thinks “years of control” are how you win ballgames, apparently.

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  50. Mendoza Line 215

    6 years ago

    I think that Pittsburgh will regret this trade if they even have one more injury. I do not think that Brault nor Kingham are the answers.The only caveat is if they have something up their sleeve in signing a FA starting pitcher which they have almost never done before.Nova was a good fifth pitcher who not only gave you innings but they were generally decent ones except for the long balls that were a little too common.He did not walk many batters.He was dependable.Unfortunately,this was another salary dump at a time when they really do not need to do one unless they actually have a plan this year.

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  51. DixieSnoop

    6 years ago

    Sox trade 19 year-old “lottery ticket” prospect to the Pirates whose fastball sits at 86-88 mph. That’s why the Sox are paying Nova’s reasonable starting pitcher salary and also give up half a mil in international bonus money. White Sox win this trade easy.

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  52. tiredolddude

    6 years ago

    Exactly. No matter who gets the 5th spot, it makes little sense from a competitive standpoint. Sign a FA if he was cheaper than Nova. Plug in Kingham or Brault who just haven’t shown they are starters
    But hey, you grabbed Archer late last year
    Sheesh
    If the idea was either to bide your time in waiting for Keller or waiting for Kuhl to come back, who better than Nova to fill that role for a year? Is this team that cash strapped that they had to dump $8.5m to send a cheaper pitcher into the rotation?
    Again, management is all over the road here

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      They could’ve possibly liked a FA starter more than nova for the same or lesser cost. This could simply just be clearing a spot for that guy.

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