In July 2016, when the Yankees were on the periphery of the American League playoff race, they made the bold decision to trade superstar reliever Andrew Miller to the Indians for four players. Outfielder Clint Frazier and left-hander Justus Sheffield, two top 100 prospects, headlined an impressive-looking haul for the Yankees. The Yankees’ hope then was that Frazier and Sheffield would eventually turn into indispensable pieces of their 25-man roster, but three years later, we now know it may not happen. Sheffield’s already out of the organization, which flipped him to the Mariners last winter in a package for two years of control over front-line starter James Paxton. Frazier remains, though his place with the franchise could be on shaky ground.
Frazier, who Yankees general manager Brian Cashman once said possesses “legendary bat speed,” has already racked up his most significant major league playing time this season. Returning from a concussion-marred 2018, the 24-year-old has slashed a solid .283/.330/.513 (118 wRC+) with 11 home runs and a .230 ISO in 2019 plate appearances. Although that’s starting-caliber offensive production on your typical team, a healthy Yankees lineup is anything but ordinary.
The acquisition of designated hitter/first baseman Edwin Encarnacion from the Mariners last weekend helped push Frazier out of New York, which subsequently sent him back to Triple-A Scranton. With Encarnacion and Luke Voit at DH/first and Aaron Judge, Giancarlo Stanton, Aaron Hicks, Brett Gardner and Cameron Maybin in the outfield, the team had little choice but to take advantage of its ability to option Frazier. Even with Maybin now going to the injured list, the Yankees may not recall Frazier because he’d mostly ride the bench.
Frazier was understandably displeased with the Yankees when they demoted him, though it seems they still hold him in high regard. Owner Hal Steinbrenner voiced his support for Frazier this week, saying he’s going to be “a big part of this team going forward.” Nevertheless, Steinbrenner’s words won’t quell the trade rumblings hovering around Frazier as the July 31 deadline nears. The Yankees don’t have to trade Frazier, who’s not on track to reach arbitration until after 2020 or free agency until the conclusion of the 2023 campaign, but they may not be able to find consistent playing time for him next year either. While Gardner and Maybin could be gone by then, most or all of Encarnacion (if his $20MM club option is exercised), Voit, Judge, Stanton and Hicks will return in prominent roles.
With little space for Frazier in the near term, the Yankees’ best bet may be to flip him for help this year in an effort to boost a World Series-contending roster. Adding up Frazier’s youth, production in the minors and majors, and controllable status, he’d be a valuable commodity on the trade market. New York’s known to be hunting for a middle- or front-of-the-rotation starting pitcher – something it may be able to acquire by dangling Frazier in talks with other clubs. The Yankees don’t boast a high-end farm system, which would make it all the more logical for them to use Frazier as trade currency this summer.
If the Yankees are going to trade Frazier in the next month-plus, it reportedly won’t be for someone who’s due to become a free agent. Should we take that at face value, it would rule out a deal involving Frazier and Giants left-hander Madison Bumgarner – this year’s most hyped rental starter. Regardless, Bumgarner would have to waive his partial no-trade clause for the Yankees.
The Giants’ outfield is abysmal, which would seem to make Frazier a fit, though it’s still unclear whether they’d choose him over another team’s offer that could be fronted by a top 100 prospect(s). After all, the vast outfield at Oracle Park in San Francisco is no place for a weak defender. Frazier has been that to this point. Factoring in his nationally televised misadventures in right field against the Red Sox on June 3, Frazier has posted minus-7 Defensive Runs Saved and a minus-4.0 Ultimate Zone Rating in just 319 innings as an outfielder this season. Those struggles aren’t anything new for Frazier, who’s at minus-12 DRS with minus-8.4 UZR during his 686-inning big league career as an outfielder.
Bumgarner’s the most proven starter among likely trade chips, but he’s not the most valuable. That honor belongs to Tigers lefty Matthew Boyd, who’s enjoying a breakout season, makes a paltry 2019 salary ($2.6MM) and isn’t set for free agency until after 2022. For all of those reasons, Frazier won’t be enough to headline a package for Boyd, who should be able to net the Tigers a bounty headed by premium prospects. Besides, considering the Tigers don’t want to continue their relationship with defensively limited, offensively gifted corner outfielder Nicholas Castellanos, it’s fair to wonder how much they’d value a similar player in Frazier.
Meanwhile, Detroit’s AL Central rental rival in Cleveland may have its own coveted trade chip in righty Trevor Bauer. The Indians are very much in the wild-card race, yet there has still been ample speculation about a Bauer trade. He’s on a $13MM salary right now and controllable through 2020. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com wrote Thursday that a potential Yankees acquisition of Bauer “would probably be centered around” Frazier. There’s logic behind that – the Indians are already familiar with Frazier, who’d be able to help their woeful offense on a cheap salary right away. However, Frazier alone wouldn’t be able to pry Bauer and his year and a half of remaining control out of Cleveland.
It seems the Yankees would stand a better chance of using Frazier to net Blue Jays righty Marcus Stroman, who, like Bauer, is under control through 2020. Stroman doesn’t have Bauer’s upside, but he’s enjoying a fine bounce-back season at an opportune time for rebuilding Toronto. The fact that Stroman’s earning a reasonable $7.4MM will only help the Blue Jays’ cause when they inevitably move him. Stroman would bring back promising prospects in a trade, but if the Jays want a more established player, Frazier’s bat would fit in an outfield whose only productive full-timer has been Lourdes Gurriel Jr. Although New York and Toronto play in the same division, that wouldn’t serve as a deterrent to a trade. These teams are just a year removed from a deadline deal which saw the Yankees acquire starter J.A. Happ for infielder/outfielder Brandon Drury and outfielder Billy McKinney.
Because we’re discussing high-end starters who’ve come up in trade rumors, we would be remiss not to mention Nationals super-ace Max Scherzer and Diamondbacks No. 1 man Zack Greinke. John Harper of SNY.tv reported Friday the Yankees would love to acquire the still-dominant Scherzer (who wouldn’t?), though it seems like much more of a pipe dream than a realistic hope on their part. For what it’s worth, Nationals general manager Mike Rizzo shot down the idea of dealing the soon-to-be 35-year-old Scherzer last weekend. Even if Rizzo were to reverse course, Frazier wouldn’t come close to leading a package for Scherzer.
Frazier would have a better chance to help the Yankees land Greinke, but there are obvious roadblocks standing in the way of that. For one, thanks in part to the 35-year-old Greinke’s terrific production, the Diamondbacks are hanging in the NL playoff race. Still, if the team attempts to trade Greinke, his contract and 15-team NTC would complicate matters. Greinke, signed through 2021, is still owed upward of $90MM (including deferrals). He’ll also count $34MM-plus per season against the luxury tax until his contract runs out. If the D-backs were to assume a large portion of Greinke’s remaining deal, maybe they and the Yankees could work something out. Greinke would still have to sign off on a trade to the Bronx after that. All things considered, a swap around Frazier and Greinke looks like a long shot, to say the least.
More starters than the above figure to be available around the deadline, but ideal matches look hard to find from the Yankees’ perspective. For instance, Texas lefty Mike Minor would give the Yankees what they want – an effective starter who’s not a rental – though he probably won’t wind up on the move with the Rangers in playoff contention. The same may apply to one of Greinke’s D-backs rotation mates, Robbie Ray.
On paper, Frazier looks like a strong candidate to join a new organization by the end of July. However, in trading Frazier, the Yankees would likely need to acquire someone who would provide a noticeable boost to their World Series chances. We’ll find out soon whether they’ll be able to pull off that difficult feat.
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How about Clint Frazier to Miami for Trevor Richards or Pablo Lopez and maybe a reliever like Romo or Jarlin Garcia? Marlins have a ton of pitching depth.. Yanks would get a good bullpen arm for the stretch run plus a cost controlled, young starting pitcher.
If anything the Yankees would want to move him in a deal that gets them a bigger name that is controllable. Though a lot of reports of the Yankees not looking to deal him anyway
If they’re prioritizing a name player over a good, cheap, young, controllable pitcher like Richards, then they should hold on to Frazier until he returns to a pumpkin
Why do you say that….a pumpkin..he has all the makings of at least an average outfielder hitting anywhere from .267-2.80 with good power. Needs to work on “D” but that will come also……Pumpkin….have you ever seen him play or just mimicking the other ignorant posters every time his name comes up?
“Needs to work on “D” but that will come also……”
Everyone always says that about poor defenders when they’re young. It’s more hope than reality. Occasionally a guy will be able to improve, but it’s usually not the case. Learning to play better defense is what the minors are for. When they get to the major leagues getting better should not be expected.
Yankee fans said that about Andujar last season, but that hoped for improvement did not appear to be realized in his, albeit short, 2019.
I can’t see the Marlins moving Lopez. He is just what their team likes – young, effective cost-controlled starter with high ceiling.
Clint Frazier is only a piece in a trade for an elite pitcher. If you think otherwise you are greatly mistaken. Straight up trades you can probably think a Mike Leake or Jose Urena type pitcher.
Then how did Stroman get into the article?
Because it’s simply conjecture on a writers part.
Stroman is not an elite pitcher.
Hate to break it to ya,your not getting a Top of the Rotation Starter for a Bad Defender.Stroman looks like the best Match
Frazier is not an elite hitter. So it’s fair.
But, Stroman is a gold glove pitcher that can handle a bat.
To be honest, the Yanks don’t look like a match. Stro would play better in the NL.
We’ve had enough of the Yankee coolaid with Mckinnie.
Defensive Metrix are flawed at best
“gold glove pitcher that can handle a bat”?????
REALLY!!!! give us a break! And, exactly how many at bats does he have that you can make that kind of statement?
Have you seen him play ? His opposite field homerun last year ? he’s even used as a pinch runner . Superior talent.
Right. The stats are wrong and Frazier is a good defender. We’ll see how many GMs buy that.
If these are really good, cost controlled young pitchers, why would Miami want to trade them? Those are exactly the types of players Miami should be trading FOR, themselves.
That’s why they’re leaving him in minors, not wanting to expose his weaknesses limiting his trade value. Buyers beware.
Not sure if you know this, but scouts can watch the minor leagues too. They know what he can and can’t do.
But minor league pitching is not the same as the big league pitching. I don’t agree with him but obviously a good hitter in the majors is elite in the minors
He already has hundreds of ab at the big league level and in today’s game with data being collected on absolutely everything, I’m sure teams have a very strong idea of who Frazier is. Sure, there’s some stuff that you learn after a guy joins your organization, but most of the stuff on him is sitting right there in his analytical numbers.
+unsaturated
Not to mention all the games are recorded and they can simply watch every game, every AB, he’s ever had at the ML level
They’re not “leaving him in the minors”……he was squeezed out of a roster spot and needs to play everyday whether that’s to hone his game, or to attract a potential trade partner…..dumb!
The problem has been that the Yankees have been forced to play Frazier in RF, where he has not played much and is not very comfortable. He can handle LF and CF a lot better because that is where he has played for most of his career.
No, he’s below average everywhere on defense. Say what you want about his bat, but no one is gonna tell you he’s a decent defender.
To the Angels for Trout is the only thing CAshGoD should consider. Maybe to the dOdGeRs for KerShaW but he does have some miles on his arm.
STFU
Extremely good breakdown!
Looks like Stroman but if Mad Max comes into play they have to try.
Mad Max is exactly the type of player Hal would willing go over that last LT for.
Except the package doesn’t start with Frazier, more like a secondary/tertiary piece. I don’t see a realistic package.
Sale and Verlander were younger and cost less.
Detroit even sent money to Houston…
Verlander hadn’t pitched well in forever at that point. Frazier could be s secondary piece in a Frazier deal, but the Yankees probably don’t have a first piece that’s not at the MLB level. I’d be shocked if the Nats dealt him though.
A secondary piece
Sale got the number 1 prospect in base ball as well as a top 25 in mk. How is Frazier more?
Moncada, like all prospects, was a lottery pick and took 3 years to produce.
Clint is a 30 homer OF, today.
I think he’s fine to lead a package, but it will take more.
I also expect Rizzo to want too much.
When did Frazier hit 30 homers in the majors? Oh wait he hasn’t.
There’s absolutely no chance he headlines a Scherzer package. None. Just a few points above average OBP, solid power, huge K’s and a poor defender, and his performance comes from a hitters park. Most scouts feel he is a league average everyday OF all in all including his hitting. Scherzer actually has excess value on his contract despite the high salary, he has every year. Take a look at the Fangraphs article this week as to what it would take to get Scherzer. It’s a Sale sized package. If they were to trade him, which they won’t. They basically argue that Frazier couldn’t be the SECOND piece of the deal.
Uh 94 Yankees I think we agree. Frazier is not nearly enough. I was responding to why they ate $ on Verlander.
You aren’t getting Scherzer that Nationals are better than the Phillies. Nationals will be keeping him. With Strasburg Corbin Scherzer they will be looking at a Wild Card.
Agreed, Scherzer is the heart and soul of the Nats!
And recently also the nose, unfortunately for him.
Lol well done
The problem with Frazier to the Jays is that the Jays mainly need starting pitching. And they just inked Grichuk to a 5 year deal to play RF or CF. Gurriel Jr. looks to be the real deal in left field.
Frazier isn’t a very good defensive outfielder so while he could probably play a competent left field he’s largely relegated to a DH kind of position.
The Jays have Guerrero who will likely wind up at First base and Rowdy Tellez is being given the chance at first and to prove himself an MLB bat. He probably splits DH/1B with Vlad.
So while Frazier is an interesting player to be sure – I am not sure he has a real fit with the Jays. The Yankees being in the same division doesn’t matter – they will take the best offer no matter the team. But San Diego has 4 of the best 10 left handed pitching prospects – if they led out with an offer of 2 out of the four – I think that probably trumps anything that the Yankees can offer(or would be willing to offer. Although Stroman would likely be better if he had a better team behind him – it’s tough to pitch when you have to throw a shutout to get a tie most nights and suffer some incompetent defense – not great for a groundball pitcher. But Stroman is inexpensive young and has two playoff runs before he costs money. And that is why he should net 2 top 100 prospects and 1 – 2 high quality lottery ticket arms on top.
The Yankees could give up junk prospects for Happ – but Stroman is a considerably higher ask.
The last thing the Padre org. needs is a defensively limited corner outfielder. What they have now is better than Frazier, IMHO.
You’re describing a similar asking price as Chris Sale; two top prospects and a couple wild cards though there quality is up to debate.
Stroman is just not that good.
Stroman is not that good but it all depends on the year and the competition to land Stroman.
The Jays would expect to get one premium talent – as they could keep him for 2 years offer arbitration and get a first round pick – if I am Jays management I am asking for a lot better than that. He’s inexpensive – he has been great down the stretch and in the playoffs, he’s a very good number 2 starter who is difficult to square up. He also still has upside and there have been studies done on his “stuff” and it ranks as elite.
the Jays also have Giles who has been absolutely ridiculous this year – his fastball is back and he is putting up gaudy numbers.
Smoak and Galvis are both very solid so there is a chance that Stroman gets packaged with one of these to get a much better return – Every playoff team can usually use number two starter and an elite shutdown closer and most can use a guy like Freddy Galvis – most teams need two of this lot.
If the Jay’s are looking for 2 elite prospects plus more for Stroman then he is probably staying put! It’s pretty much that simple.
As good as his stuff might be, he has been inconsistent. Inconsistency doesn’t net 2 top prospects.
I think Giles is the obvious guy to package him with. Most people looking for rotation help could also use a reliever. Combo those 2 together and you’ll net two top prospects easily.
He’s top 3 in ground ball rate, in the ALE of all places, for his career. That’s the definition of consistent.
Do we define consistent as ground ball rate or year to year performance? Good god…
I don’t think Frazier is a particularly good fit for the Jays, but you’re not getting two top prospects for Stroman. Frazier talent-wise is maybe a little short, but it’s mostly because he’s a bad fit for the Jays, and a lot of teams for that matter.
This is a reason there is talk in the Toronto media that the Jays should just sign Stroman to a 5 year deal – their contention frame is 2021-2022 and they need pitching. So unless they get a player equal to Stroman’s ability back then there is no point in trading him. Teams in win now mode have been known to overpay. I think it takes an overpay to get Toronto to move him. Ross Atkins’ job is on the line – he has to get a significant haul on Stroman and the players who come back have to actually work out. No small feat.
Yeah maybe they should extend him. But there’s zero chance you’re getting two top prospects, even on an overpay. Less than zero.
I don’t see Cleveland taking him back in a Bauer trade, even if they are desperate for outfield help.
I certainly see him headed back to Cleveland, just a matter of which other pieces end up in the deal.
Bauer would make sense…. it will take more than Frazier but that’s the price of mid year pitching (more than off season shopping)
Cash can’t mess this up though as one good arm means a parade. If Frazier goes for pen help I’m gonna lose it
I think right now Bauer is Cashman’s best chance to land a front line pitcher. It might take Frazier, Estrada, and Acevedo to get him. Scherzer is out with the Nats on the right track right now, Minor is out , he is keeping the Rangers in it, and Boyd would be another option that could work. Cashman will wait until the deadline now that the Yanks are almost hitting on all cylinders. Things will change in the next month.
Let’s step back for a minute… why would the Indians trade Bauer now? I know they talked about it in the offseason but it was basically to save $$ and get young talent because they figured they’d have the division anyway. They cut some $ elsewhere, but they’re not winning the division but still in the playoff race. They’d have to fall out if it to consider trading Bauer I’d imagine.
They’ve treaded water through the injuries, so dumping Bauer will be offset by the return of Clevinger and then Kluber down the road.
Why would they want to offset themselves and stay where they’re at???
Thairo Estrada came up to the big leagues and played well but he has no minor league track record. Acevedo is an okay reliever prospect with an ERA north of 4 in AA. You aren’t getting Trevor Bauer for spare parts. That offer would get blown out of the water by any other contender.
Yup this
What happened to the Yankees farm? It wasn’t long ago that it was talked about as being one of the better ones.
They’re all playing for the Yankees. I am impressed by their system in that they always have low picks but yield more star players than a lot of teams with high picks who yield nothing.
The Yankees could probably land Stroman with a package like Estevan Florial and Jonathan Loaisiga as two top 100 prospects and then add in some upside arms like Trevor Stephan and Roansy Contreras. With 3 pitchers and a possible CF the Jays would likely have difficulty saying no. But there was a report that there are around 20 teams who could be looking at Stroman – and a lot of them have stronger 1-2 offers than Florial and Loasiga – they rank 1-2 in the Yankee system but might not crack the top 10 in better systems.
I think you’re impressed by the wrong thing… I very well could be missing someone, but the only “star” I can think of that they drafted is Judge. Everyone else was an international signing and/or trade pickup…
And only 3 of their current top 10 prospects (MLB Pipeline) were drafted, for what it’s worth.
Austen….the Yankees system has 0 to do with the draft…it is because they out spend internationally and then had a 2 year stretch where every trade went their way perfectly…mush like the trades the Ray’s have been making the last 2 years have gone.
Stroman isn’t even getting you Florial. Really, you’re out of your mind.
And no, you probably don’t have stronger offers than that. You gave teams that COULD make stronger offers, but you’re not getting anywhere near that.
Yankees farm is always overhyped
not a yankees fan (giants fan) but most of their farm system is on the team or were traded for guys like james paxton. gary sanchez, gleyber torres, miguel andujar, domingo german and luis severino. im probably missing some guys but if those guys were all still in the minors then they would still have an elite farm system. thats like saying the braves have a weak farm system now that acuna, albies, fried and soroka are all in majors
If the Yankees trade Frazier they need to get a piece that will WIN them a World Series.
Bumgarner is the only pitcher who has the experience to do that. The Giants would have to throw in more to balance the trade, like a bullpen piece, but Mad Bum is the only one of all the pitchers mentioned with any hardware. The Yankees, of all teams, appreciate players who have been there and done that.
Mad Max, as great as he is, has no hardware. It’s a very Ricky Bobby type of mentality: If you’re not winning, you’re losing. The Yankees want someone who can get them the hardware. It’s Madison Bumgarner.
That makes sense but Stroman pitched well in the playoffs and Baumgartner’s arm is nowhere near what it was – I would rather get the guy with the better arm now and has a second year and doesn’t have a no trade clause that includes the Yankees. Stroman is also from the New York area.
I would just add that Bumgarner has played on a lame duck team all year; the Giants were constructed to TANK this year.
Mad Bum is an emotional player, he needs to play for a reason. He hasn’t had that all year. Put him on a winning team and he’s a beast. Don’t forget his bat either.
True but you can also say the same for the Jays – terrible team. Stroman is also a very good hitter and a gold glove winner. And Stroman is proven in the AL East which sometimes matters to teams. The Yankees probably have a better chance at Bumgarner though.
i would like to point out that 2 years ago the dodgers gave up a top prospect in calhoun to rent darvish. you would probably say darvish 2 years ago was much better than bumgarner is this year but darvish was probably the main reason why the dodgers lost in the world series. some people have it and some people dont. the pressure can get to some pitchers and its impossible to predict who has it and who doesnt but how much is it worth to you to find out? i think thats exactly why the yanks keep starting sabathia in the playoffs because he has proven he can get you a quality start. if the yanks get stroman and he gets torched for 5 runs in 3 innings in the ALCS, i guarantee they will wish they gave up a top 5 prospect for bumgarner instead of a top 10 for stroman
Stroman is Sonny Gray 2.0
Hard pass
If the Yankees had a time machine I would agree, but MadBum has not looked very good in recent years and he has not looked good lately. He was a WS hero in the past, but it looks like those days are long passed. Is it possible he suddenly turns it on in a new environment or under the spotlights of the postseason? Perhaps. But, it is much more likely that he is even worse pitching in Yankee Stadium for half his games while also having to face a DH. I am starting to think that the Giants will not trade him at all because he will not net them enough of a return to justify trading a team hero to the fans. In all honesty, is he worth more than what the Yanks gave the Jays last year for Happ?
Experience won’t make up for what Bumgarner is missing this year. If that is the case, Yanks can pitch CC.
What Yankees have hardware in last decade? Unfair of sherzer, he only pitches 5 days and when he does he wins. I’m a cub fan and I’d take him over any pitcher out there for a game 7 World Series.
It’s probably the best deal for the Yankees. But the Yankee brass and their fans keep hyping Frazier as some sort of rare power hitter during a season where EVERYONE is hitting home rims. Ketel Marte has 21 home runs!! Ketel Marte!!
Judging by commentary here (admittedly not always accurate), teams might not want a defensively challenged outfielder. And maybe the ones that do might plan on keeping their controllable elite pitcher and just signing Castellanos this off season.
The problem with that logic is that there’s only one Castellanos to sign, and any of the teams who might pursue him need to have a contingency plan in place for losing out.
Do you trade for a guy who is available right now, today, and is controlled for multiple years, or do you wait until November and hope the free agent Castellanos even considers your offer, let alone actually signs it?
Frazier has no control over where he goes and, in the case of the Giants, will only cost you a guy who has one foot out the door anyway in a year where they’re competing for last place. Of course, I’m a Yankees fan and I would love to see Cash hold Frazier and simply sign Bumgarner for nothing more than money in a few months. Frazier starting in LF with Gardner on his way out of The Bronx makes sense.
I agree on the talent match for a Mad Bum/Frazier trade, but the fit is terrible. You think the Giants are going to want Frazier running out in the biggest OF in baseball everyday?? Right on value, I just doubt the Giants value him.
If the Yankees had the opportunity to put a deal together for Max Scherzer over Madison Bumgarner they would do it in a heartbeat. Chris Sale had no “hardware” and had never even pitched in the postseason with the White Sox but that sure changed once he was traded to the Red Sox.
Completely disagree. Not taking away from what MadBum has done, but he’s downhill sliding in a pitcher friendly park this season. Imagine the AL East teeing off on him in Yankee Stadium… no thank you… especially given the haul it would take to pry him away. If this was two years ago maybe, but Bumgarner will have a much better career staying in pitchers parks.
Frazier is not worth more than Bumgarner. Sure, Bum is only a rental, but he’s a rental that can win you a WS. The other side is you’re vastly overrating Frazier. I doubt that the Giants have any interest in Frazier, and wouldn’t take him straight up for Bum, because Frazier is just not a good fit for the Giants.
Three way deal
Yankees get Jake Arrieta
A’s get Frazier, Adonis Medina
Phillies get Treinen & Laureano
Why would Oakland do this deal? Laureano is part of their future. They also have plenty of pitching prospects such as Luzardo and Puk. They also have Manea and Cotton coming back.
“Why would Oakland do this deal?”
Totally agree. It makes zero sense for the A’s to trade Laureano, and Treinen, for Frazier and a lottery pick. I wouldn’t trade Laureano straight up for Frazier, let alone throw in the closer for him and a totally unproven commodity.
ive seen enough of Arrieta to know that the Yankees dont want him. also not sure if i want to see him without a beard as well.
Only pitcher to ever win two road World Series games. If you had him his beard would grow on you.
The beard may grow on you, but not on him if he’s pitching for the Yankees.
Maybe it’s time for the Yankees to step into the 1900s and lose the stupid facial hair policy…
George Steinbrenner actually instituted this hairy policy for the Yankees back in 1973. But yes, it is stupid. If the Red Sox continue to garner more World Series hardware as they have done this century, doubling the Yankees take beginning in 2000, then perhaps they will cut the hair ban.
The Reds used to have the same policy. I remember when Jeff Reardon had to shave his iconic beard when he went to Cincy. But they got rid of it because there really is no sense in creating a potential barrier for free agents over something so trivial. These are not firefighters or chefs where a no beard policy makes sense. These are just baseball players, one of the more superstitious professions around.
Really unlikely contending teams break themselves up to accommodate Frazier. They can keep their pitching and just go get Hunter Renfroe and his .935 OPS for a lot less than the Yankees appear to want for Frazier.
A’s get worse in this trade scenario
I’m a Red Sox fan but I’ve got to say I feel like Frazier is being a little undervalued here… I mean the guys already hitting .280 with 11 HRs THIS season and he’s still young. Why are all the “hypothetical trades” just piling on “Frazier couldn’t be the centerpiece…” I’m sure there are plenty of teams out there that would take a young 20-something OF with 30-HR pop and a bit of a ML track record already as a key piece of a deal… just saying.
Maybe because EVERYONE is hitting home runs, Frazier can’t field, and has never been able to stay healthy. I think Hunter Renfroe is a limited player, but he is also available and not getting nearly the same amount of attention as Frazier, despite his better and longer track record..
Mets pitchers have 4 homeruns this season … just putting that out there for your “30HR pop” … Thor is going to be the next David Ortiz forget him ever pitching.again
It doesn’t make a lot of sense to deal Frazier in a long term aspect. This year he has put up pretty solid numbers, and if he can consistently do that during his career could be a solid replacement for Gardner. Encarnacion to me is a one year and done type player for the Yankees as he is aging and doesn’t serve more purpose to them than an additional bat for them in the postseason this year, in the likes that they will make it. Usually a deal like this for Encarnacion happens later in the year but because of the injuries and the building market for Encarnacions power in a lineup like the Rays or Astros, they needed the make the deal now. I think the Yankees like the speed bat that Fraizer brings to the table as well as some decent speed. He is a much better left fielder than he is a right fielder. I can see how someone can struggle in right field with the usual Yankees bleacher creatures in right field. I remember seeing Matt Kemp struggle in LA when they moved him from CF to RF, he just couldn’t play good defense in RF.
I think some training in the minors defensively will do him good and he can come up later in the year to show the Yankees that this time he’s here to stay
“Even if Rizzo were to reverse course, Frazier wouldn’t come close to leading a package for Scherzer.”
You might want to look into what CWS got for Sale or Detroit got for Verlander.
Oh, by the way, none of the players were major league ready, both pitchers were younger or WAY younger, and they weren’t making $30MM+…
I agree that scherzer’s salary would keep his trade value down but verlander and sale aren’t the best examples for this. Sale netted at least moncada and kopech who at the time were both very highly regarded prospects and verlander’s stock was still down enough at that point that he passed through trade waivers unclaimed so he was never going to fetch a big prospect at the time
Sale was better, 7 years younger, and cost $20MM less per year.
I think that represents an above high water mark.
Frazier could step in Washington’s outfield today.
“Sale was better…”
That’s debatable. Sale had a 135 ERA+ for his career when traded. Scherzer has posted a 152 ERA+ for the Nat’s since his acquisition.
No he wasn’t. This guy is a TROLL!
People forget that Verlander was not in high regard in 2017… the trade also included 2 organizational top 5s (Daz Cameron and Franklin Perez), it’s not an impossible leap to say Cameron may turn out to be a better player than Frazier… bad defensive corner OFs with nice offensive production can be found anywhere. I would value a quality defensive CF with lower offensive ceiling (Cameron) than I would a defensive limited corner OF with above avg offensive production (Frazier).
Frazier would have been the third piece in that Sale deal. Both Moncada and Kopech had more value then Frazier does now.
It doesn’t matter what Sale netted as his salary was much lower and he was in his mid to late 20s under team control vs 35 years old making 30-35 million a year. Do any of you look at anything besides just stat lines?
Also saying Kopech who is coming back from Tommy John surgery has more value than Clint Frazier is comical.
“Would have been,” yes.
But Moncada only produced 3 years after the deal, and Frazier is on a 30 homer pace.
A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.
Oak or SF
Probably neither, but certainly SF is not a good fit at all.
They might be able to squeeze out a Mike Leake deal straight up if they eat enough money
I would trade Andujar straight up for MB.
And Andujar & Adams for Max.
Think about it. DJ/Theo/Gleyber/Didi/Geo for the next 4 years is as solid as we will need.
I’m not minimizing Andujar. But look who the Yanks land for him.
And you know Stanton wants out the second they win a WS. Then you have Frazier ready for it all.
Do you really expect Geo to keep playing how he has for 4 more years?
doesnt have to be if the outfield stays healthy. he could be a baseline 9 hole hitter going forward.
Andujar’s defense was atrocious when healthy. He’s a 1B moving forward, loses a lot of trade value from that. Giants can get more interesting pieces for MB.
Andujar is not getting traded, end of story.
Why not?
You’re not getting Scherzer for that. Adams..dude be serious
Frazier can platoon next year with Stanton, Gardy will be gone. I think Cashman only trades Frazier for a couple of pitchers like Scherzer, Bauer, or Boyd. Otherwise he might move Florial in a trade. I don’t see Andujar being traded while he is injured and I Stanton insn’t going anywhere, that was another good trade by Cashman. He had 38 homers and 100 RBI last year and people thought he had a bad year.
Why would Washington trade Max for a player that is likely a DH. Yankee fans really overvalue there players. Wow.
Please Shapkins don’t trade for Frazier. He’s just another Billy McKinney, Brandon Drury type… overrated, just like you!
Frazier for Kluber is a decent challenge trade
Strike Four, your trade proposals are laughable. It would take more than Frazier to get Kluber. Starting pitching is much more valuable than a poor fielding, concussion prone, outfielder with a bad attitude.
Frazier is cheaper, fills an obvious need for CLE, and Kluber has been injured. yes you would probably need more, but it’s a reasonable start given all these factors.
“Concussion prone” he ran into a wall lol seriously the comments on here from people downplaying individual values are laughable.
He missed a great deal of time with the concussions. Concussions are a very serious issue. It is laughable to me to ignore those issues.
Yes, Frazier has talent. Yes, he has issues with concussions. Yes, he is weak defensively. Yes, he has an attitude problem. Talent has value. Poor defense, poor attitude, and health concerns definitely lessen his value.
hockeyjohn is a terrible poster who has no idea what player values are at all and bases his player eval on personal biases and silly made-up narratives. frazier for kluber straight up works well for both sides = fact.
considering NYY taking the money on, 1-1 works well in this case.
Who died and made you the God of baseball Strike Out? That last comment is one of the most laughable ones you have posted.
Silly made up narratives. Yes or No – Had Frazier had severe concussion issues – Answer – Yes. Yes or No – Is Frazier weak defensively – Answer – yes. Yes or No – Does Frazier have an attitude problem – Answer – yes. What is made up about any of this? Yankee fans have complained about comments he has made and taking the full 72 hours to report to the minors. Yankee fans also have complained about his defense. I have read them here and other sites.
So tell me what I made up. Take off you Yankee glasses and look at the needs of both teams and what they value as an organization.
Also starting pitching is valued more than an outfield with questionable concerns.
I hate the Yankees and am ambivalent to the other teams, I am an largely an impartial observer. I do know more than you. Fact. You are posting nonsense. Fact. I’m going to go ahead and keep posting my well-thought out, finger on the pulse of player value trade ideas, which only a low IQ chud would think were “laughable”, mmkay?
” Does Frazier have an attitude problem – Answer – yes”
holy cr@p dude. wow.
even “Is Frazier weak defensively – Answer – yes.” is not a thing that cant be fixed, stop trolling.
Strike Out – Perhaps you should look up the definitions of the words fact and opinion. Anyone with a decent IQ would know that you are sharing your opinions and I am sharing mine. Someone who passes off their opinions as facts are know as a know it all. Usually those people who think they know it all often know very little.
I know Texas won’t do it and maybe NYY wouldn’t either but I’d offer Minor for Frazier and one of Jonathan Loaisiga or Deivi Garcia.
No no no that’s not how it works . Frazier is a player under contract . He is a great player under contract . You can’t have a hissy fit than get traded . We need this kid .. he will be back in the show in no time .. do not let him get away !!
god damn i hate this comment
yankees fans will be disappointed with the return. imo way over valued
Cashman will target a few pitchers knowing that the deadline is not a good time to make a deal. He already knows what he can get for his players, the thing he doesn’t know is the availability of top pitching and whether the Yanks match up with them. He will do everything in his power to land pitchers like Scherzer and Bauer to get an ace. The rest of the pitchers that might be on market might not be any better than what they have now. Only Tampa, Indians, and the Astro’s are better in the AL. with the DH. Severino is the wild card right now for the Yanks, if he is healthy he makes them the best team in the AL.
Mariners are looking for prospect help that can be a part of the teams rebuild in a few years
Frazier could be it.
Mike leake, Seager, 25 million, and mac Williamson for Frazier.
As much as the Mariners would surely love another bat first, no glove type player, that’s way too much for Frazier. Even Trader Jerry would say no way.
I love how 56 games of injury-prone defense is your sample scale that he’s bad at defense. Calm all the way down, please.
It’s more than “56 games of injury-prone defense”. As the article stated “Those struggles aren’t anything new for Frazier, who’s at minus-12 DRS with minus-8.4 UZR during his 686-inning big league career as an outfielder.
Yeah, it’s still only 102 games, but he hasn’t demonstrated anything so far to suggest that he’s a good defender.
Clint Frazier is not going to get the Yankees Marcus Stroman. It would take much more than that. The Blue Jays need starting pitching. That is their biggest organizational need & it isn’t even close. Stroman is the only pitcher they really have right now. Any trade involving him is going to have to include one or two pitchers who are at the very least, near major league ready because the Jays pitching in AAA isn’t strong. They have to surround Guerrero Jr., Biggio, Gurriel Jr. & Bichette with pitching. That isn’t Frazier. The Twins and Padres would have better pitching that fits that bill to offer the Jays in a trade for Stroman.
Not true at all, they need a COF like Frazier. Can’t afford to have bad players anywhere.
Frazier for Bundy and Givens. Neither are rentals. All 3 have varying levels of flaws and I’m not really sure what value each have to the teams they are currently on. If the Yankees want players that aren’t rentals it makes some sense and even though Baltimore has plenty of OF prospects they also can’t really turn away from adding talent no matter the position.
Frazier for Robbie Ray makes perfect sense. Ray has two more years of control and is an excellent pitcher but in short frames. Yankees have an elite bullpen so to go from 5-6 elite innings to the bullpen would work great.
Diamondbacks lose out on a top notch pitcher, but trade a young promising OF with a top pitching prospect then why not go for it? You save money, trade an excellent but limited SP, and you gain both an OF and SP.
Not such a Mad Idea………………………………..Andujar and Frasier for Scherzer. DJ plays 3rd and hits leadoff. Andujar and Frasier both go to NL where they wont haunt us (LOL). Last place Nats trade Anthony Rendon, who’ll be a free agent after 2019 for young talents- plural.. That could give them 2 proven young talents plus more for cheap. Yanks pick up a most needed ace. LETS GO YANKEES!!
I can only assume they start selling crack a lot earlier on the East Coast?
You forgot to include trading gardner for Alex Bregman… of course Houston would have to include cash in that deal since Bregman just signed an extension………….. crack indeed
Dont be silly. It was Gardner and Ellsbury for Bregman.
Trade him to Toronto for Stroman.Then the Blue Jays will have Vlad Guerrerro’s,Craig Biggio’s,Dante Bichette and Joe Frazier’s kid all on the same team.
Clint Frazier isn’t related to Joe Frazier no relation
Are you 100% sure??? They look almost identical except for Joe’s nose and Clint’s hair, and then there’s the ….
Well played, sir.
Frazier and another prospect for Danny Duffy. Duffy would be a beast at Yankee stadium
No thanks. You would not get Frazier alone for Duffy
Trade him to Baltimore for everything we have lol. He would still be better then that whole team.
Goto SD and grab one of their young pitchers, Lucchesi? Frazier would fit in perfect for them.
Why would the Padres want Frazier when they have a glut of outfielders?
Plus who trades young pitching for a corner OF??? Plus, who wants to have a crappy defender play OF in the second biggest OF in baseball. Plus San Diego needs pitching and is trying to trade from their OF surplus… good gravy what are you smoking
Hey Yankee U,
Just so you are aware, most of these trade ideas for Frazier are coming from non Yankee fans who want Frazier on their team. Some are ridiculous and most are awful.
Frazier isn’t getting dealt for garbage or damaged arms. Frazier will have a spot in left field next season.
50% are Yankees fans doing the same, and way more.
When Astros beat you in game 7 with verlander and sherzer would have won for you ,enjoy Frazier in left field next year
I would be surprised if NYY gets to 7 games with a healthy Houston team.
Frazier is such an enigma. mediocre from his initial promotion until the start of this season, but he really did well in the Majors for a bit. might bs a mirage, or might really be something. given his skill set, i may just have to think it’s the latter, but who knows what GMs think. he may just have more value as depth to the yankees then in a trade.
He’s played 56 games in MLB. Why would anyone in their right mind decide that’s who he is forever? Give him 200 games at least, sheesh.
NY Media literally makes up trade rumors on the spot and runs with them. No evidence suggesting Scherzer will be traded. Just some yankee fan journalists writing about a dream they had
If not Scherzer, Frazier to the Indians for Bauer seems like the next best thing.
“Frazier to the Indians” With what other players?
I find it laughable that everyone keeps trashing his defense and how they should dump him because of it with no ownership of their organizations failure to properly develop him as an OF. Seems they only worry about the long ball and selling the sexy stats and fail to focus on the other aspects of development. His flaws should’ve and could’ve been fixed in the past couple of years much easier than once he hits the majors.
Funny how I’ve seen Yankees fans on here trashing Schwarber’s defense. Kyle has done a great job of working on his defense as a former catching prospect. Where Frazier was drafted as an outfield prospect. It just might be a work ethic situation, because he also seems to have an attitude problem.
Clint Frazier Cessa and Ben Heller to the Braves for Gauseman Winkler and Ender Inciarte
Maybe yanks can swing Frazier + Severino for Scherzer, otherwise keep Frazier this year we’ve seen how valuable good depth is and next year he slides in for the 4th of role
Wild trade, love it.
Few probably share my opinion, but I don’t think they should trade him.
Gardner might be in his last season as a Yankee, Encarnacion’s option may be declined, and Stanton spends significant time on the IL. Even Judge hasn’t had a clean bill of health and Maybin will need to be re-signed (assuming they want to bring him back).
Frazier will be out of options next season and Tauchman appears to be in the same boat, But it isn’t hard to see Frazier getting steady PA’s in left field and occasionally at DH.
To get a front line starter, NY would have to give up a lot more than just Frazier. So maybe targeting a solid innings eater in exchange for lower level prospects would be a better approach.
That said, you have to listen. Frazier shouldn’t be untouchable, I just think NY shouldn’t be bent on moving him.
What about deGrom? The Mets aren’t going to really challenge in their division. Nimmo and Frazier on the corners makes more sense than the assortment they have now.
“What about deGrom?” Are you actually implying Frazier could get deGrom straight up? Conforto is better than Frazier anyway, and he’s no CF.
The Yankees could offer up their top 5 prospects in the minors and still not get Degrom if the Mets truly wanted to shop him. That’s a haul of prospects the Yankees could not supply.
No not straight up but thanks for playing along. Another player I like is Tauchman. Frazier in left, Nimmo in center and Tauchman in right. I think it would still take another player. But what the Mets have going on at 2nd could have been predicted months ago.
Oh, you THINK Frazier and Tauchman isn’t enough for deGrom? That package might get Wheeler, but it is nowhere close to deGrom.
So what are you doing with Smith, Legares, and most of all Conforto?
Bench. I.e spot starter.
Yes we’ll trade Tauchman and Frazier for Degrom. Then we’ll go ahead and trade Troy Tulowitzki and Thairo Estrada for Trevor Bauer. I think after that they might look to turn Aaron Hicks and Stephen Tarpley into Mike Trout.
Now I know you’re just trolling. Thanks for wasting my time!
Well, you waste enough of everybody else’s with your nonsense so turnaround is fair play!
Stick it boy blunder
Clint Frazier for Aaron Sanchez. Straight up. Jays get a 1 dimensional OFer, yankees get a starter with near dominant stuff if they can Get him back on track. Jays clearly can’t. Frazier for stroman isn’t enough alone.
Yankees are not rolling the dice on Aaron Sanchez. Aaron Sanchez is going to bring you back a lottery ticket not Clint Frazier. The only playoff contender who would be looking at a guy like Sanchez would be the fringe contenders. Like the Rangers or the A’s or Dbacks.
While i agree he’s a roll of the dice he has high end stuff when on and healthy. Given frazier’s injury concerns too, it’s not a bad even swap.
2016 was a long time ago now. Frazier is a better prospect than McKinney and Drury and that’s what you got for Happ. Happ was a much better pitcher at that point in time. Just not going to happen.
Happ didn’t have another season of control and was 8 years older… i too doubt it’ll happen, but seemed like an equal gamble. Frazier isnt some high end prospect… he’ll be an avg mlb OFer… but dont try explaining that to most yankee fans…
No. Hang on to Sanchez, hope his value rises.
Cashman can continue thinking Frazier is the next Mickey Mantle. It’s just a trade tactic to build him up. If he was so good he wouldn’t be in the minors right now, regardless of the whole left-hander vs. right-hander stuff.
Never has so much been written about so little. If Frazier played in KC or Tampa, nobody would know who he was.
He’s got some good stuff, but he’s a poor OFer who hits some, and he’s young. Lots of those guys out there, many in AAA. Maybe a piece in a significant trade for a starter,… maybe.
Wait for it…..
That comes with the territory for all things NYY.
Frazier to me is a lesser Randal Grichuk, but can’t play defense like Grichuk.
I think Frazier’s floor is a Randal Grichuk type with worse defense but he certainly has shown and does have more of a ceiling than Grichuk’s current level. GRichuk is also a maddening player because if he ever fixed that giant strikeout rate could be a highly productive player.
Are you talking about the guy on the Jays….that Randall….he isn’t very good!
Clown take bruh!
Yankee fans are really the worst.
Yankee haters are bitter crybabies
You don’t have to hate the Yankees to shake your head at the way Yankee fans vastly overrate their players, and think they can shed flawed players for more complete guys. I mean, just look at the multitude of Ellsbury trade proposals made over the past few years. Yankee fans actually thought they could get a productive guy while getting someone to take Ellsbury off their hands.
Anyone who downplays his defense is shortsighted. It will not take much or time to improve his defense. Plus, he can hit, throw, and he has speed. M.L.B. program analyze his defense and clearly showed his defensive weakness and it would be easy to fix.
You’re right it doesn’t take much to fix his defensive woes yet the Yankees never invested the time into it. Yankee fans want to keep bashing the kid for it without accepting any blame for it.
Why would you assume that it “will not take much or time to improve his defense”? If it was that easy to improve a guy’s defense there wouldn’t be any veteran players that were poor defenders. Yet there are plenty of guys that are.
Some just don’t see the ball off the bat as well, Some don’t judge the route to the ball well. There are myriad reasons for poor defense. And some guys succeed in the lower levels of the game on their hitting, don’t develop defensively, and when they get to MLB it’s too late to start trying to improve. There aren’t many cases of bad defenders turning into good ones.
Have been a Yankees fan since the mid-1980s and will never for the life of me figure out what they see in Brett Gardner. Right now he is batting 236 and has not hit above 265 since 2013. Even this year his on-base percentage has been horrible at 3:18, good in the field I will admit that but let’s all be honest the guy has a link weenie for a throwing arm. Other teams no matter how shallow a fly ball to left field is they are tagging up knowing who is throwing it. Just can’t figure this out and the sad part is as loaded as the Yankees outfield is you know come November Brian Cashman will talk to Brett Gardner about another one year contract. He has always loved him and refusal to trade him has always racked my brain.
Like Bernie Williams could ever throw??????? Guy couldn’t throw me out, and I’m only semi-ambulatory.
You’re being too hard on Gardner; he’s not a bad player at all. Ya, he’s probably over paid for who he is, but it’s New York, and having Brett Gardner on your team isn’t going to keep you out of the playoffs. And he brings all those intangibles SOMEBODY has to have in the clubhouse.
It’s true; they don’t need him anymore. But for a time he was pretty useful.
I have been saying this for 10+ years.
On top of all that his post season and World Series stats. MIND BOGGLING they keep bringing him back.
Would the Mets and yanks finally do another deal
I would trade them Syn if they would take Cano in the deal for Frazier,Adams or Loiasiga and I would take on the rest of Ellsbury deal. This would put Mcneil back to 2b. Than have Frazier,Lagares and Conforto in the OF
I think Frazier for Givens (O’s) makes all the sense in the world. They both have warts, but the O’s need OF help and you never have enough bullpen pieces (especially when the other pieces are older).
Your credibility just went out the window.
I’d love to get Frazier for Givens but that’s not going to happen. Frazier has more upside than that. Givens has been a big disappointment that won’t land that kind of player.
Trade him to the Orioles for Dan Straily.O’s just DFA’d Straily and Yankees optioned Frazier,so both sides could pair up well
Frazier + prospect for Bauer. I’m down.
As stated yesterday in a previous Clint Frazier story, the Blue Jays won’t be interested in Frazier due to the fact they will run Grichuk, Hernandez, Gurriel, McKinney and Anthony Alford in the OF next year. Add to the fact that only 1 pitcher in the Yankees farm system is worth a look (Deivi Garcia), the Blue Jays will lose in any deal with the Yankees if it involves Marcus Stroman.
Now, I’d consider moving an OF if I am Toronto. In fact, I’d be calling Cleveland if they are in the hunt a month from now. Deal them an OF for Aaron Civale. Civale won’t light the world on-fire but the Jays won’t have to give up much for a guy that could be a back end rotation type.
The Jays only have 1 outfielder who is slashing above the league average mark and that’s lourdes Gurriel. I’m not sure he’s an outfielder yet and I’d say probably not on a playoff contending team. Cleveland’s OF currently has 2 guys hitting over league average and if they add a 3rd I don’t think it’s gonna be Gurriel.
Well gee, thank you for pointing out the obvious about the Jays OF. What would we do without you???
Technically Cleveland already has 3 OFs with Mercado, Naquin and Luplow. Given the injuries they might want a 4th OF, or even a 1B since Jake Bauers isn’t so hot. All that is moot if Cleveland can’t climb the standings. I think they can run down Minnesota. Twins are not as good as people think.
Gurriel is not going anywhere. Grichuk is going nowhere because he just signed an extension that should land Ross Atkins the worst executive of the year award, narrowly beating out anyone working for the New York Mets. If Teoscar figures out CF he’s not going anywhere. That leaves McKinney and Alford.
Trim is there any reason you have to start a reply like an absolute coccksucker? I mean after that point your reply is all good and well thought out but I don’t @ you with some garbage before I get to the point. I could’ve started out my post with “look idiot the jays OF is so bad that no one wants your trash” but that’s completely unnecessary.
Frazier for Swihart. But not until there are 16 more articles about them with comments about their elite talent.
^^THIS^^
I love all the Yankee haters saying they should just trade Fraser for some guys who are garbage. Also, to the tiger fans saying Fraser and two other top prospects for Boyd what are you smoking and can I have some? Yes he’s under team control until 2022 but the guy has a 3.61 ERA you’re going to trade top prospects and a proven major league hitter for that? Put down the crack pipe.
That ERA is better than league average pal. Calling Frazier a proven major league hitter after 392 Plate Appearances is beyond laughable. Yankees fans are the most delusional in all of sports.
Keep him at AAA, someone else will eventually land on the IL in their outfield mix.
Will only get a rental for Frazier. His clock started in 2017, not what a rebuilding team wants, not even close really. Frazier would be a throw in.
Even Yankee fans have to admit that what we’ve seen so far of Frazier with the glove has not been good. Some are insisting he’ll get better. But why would any GM trade for him based on the thinking that he’ll become a better defender? Every GM has to assume somewhat that past performance is a factor in predicting future performance. The stats are what they are. Frazier’s value at this point has to be lower than Yankee fans would like it to be, because him becoming a better defender cannot be assumed.
I could see interest from teams that don’t have difficult outfields like Philly, Texas, Cincy, but they may not have an OF need. But teams like the Marlins, Giants, Rockies, etc. with big, difficult outfields are probably not enamored of the thought of the Frazier we’ve seen so far playing in those parks.
I think the Yankees are probably better off holding on to him.
Bigger outfields also mean a drop in power numbers.
So I have been reading these comments and I guess I will throw my two cents in. First off I really don’t think Washington is trading Scherzer. But if they did it would take a lot. Say Frazier who has a little more value then a lot of people are saying, Abreu who has started to look like he is figuring things out in his last few starts, probally Dieivi Garcia, Estrada, Dermis Garcia and maybe Florial. Washington is gonna want the moon and as Yankee fan I hate to say it but a lot teams could out bid New York, but the one thing in the Yankees favor is can they take on his salary? I honestly think he stays put and the Nats get in the playoffs, I actually think they will be buyers.. They are starting to play well and I think Soto and Robles have good second half’s..
Lol for a 35yo pitcher your giving up 6 top 10 prospects?
That’s a joke right?
You think Cashman is that dumb? Washington does that deal in a second BTw!
That’s one hell of a rebuild in one move!
That’s why the trade will never happen, It might not be six guys but it’s close. I think I saw Washington’s GM would have to be blown away. I was really excited about Dermis, but he strikes out almost 40%. Abreu’s value has gone down Estrada is still an unknown, Florial is toolsy but yet to put it together. Deivi is rising fast, and Clint well there is a lot of different opinions. Say San Diego comes in and says Gore, or Chicago with Kopech or Cease, These are two up and coming teams eager to make moves, how do you beat that. Out of all the guys I said one was a top 100, Boston gave four for one and those four are better then the six I mentioned. So it might not be 100% accurate but it’s not far off. Me personally I keep Deivi and the other kids and go from there…
Don’t go off of BA ratings. The Yanks shouts know there prospects. They are high on Devi and Florial. They like Abreu allot. Estrada is definitely in trade talks and he showed he can be a legit major league. Frazier as well. I think your throwing out names so it doesn’t look like your not offering fair value. Cashman would not give up half his farm for a 35yo pitcher. Forget the top 100 list.
I suppose your right…I was going to watch Garcia pitch tomorrow, but I guess he starts Monday, bummed, saw Whitlock pitch last night, he was okay..
“Say Frazier who has a little more value then (sic) a lot of people are saying,”
Obviously you’re a Yankee fan. That’s fine. I understand Yankee fans really liking Frazier. But you have to look at it more objectively. If you’re the GM for another team, you see a guy who isn’t a good defender, so how much do you offer for Frazier? Do you gamble that he will improve defensively? Do you really think his offense is good enough to offset the, existing for now, defensive liabilities? Remember, you’re looking at it as the GM for a rival club. If I’m the GM for another club, I don’t see that value that you see, at least not now with the stats we have available.
Zack Greinke recently got a haircut to signal to the Dbacks organization that he will accept a trade to the Yankees despite having them on his No Trade List. Yankees get their big name starting pitcher. Dbacks get Frazier and a high ceiling pitching prospect.
Now this is a conspiracy theory I haven’t seen. Kudos kid
WTH would the Yanks take on that awful contract for a 36yo pitcher and give them Frazier and a high end pitcher.
Arizona would be lucky to dump the salary and take on a so so prospect with upside. Stop with these nonsensical trade ideas.
They should trade him for some pitching. He’ll bring a decent haul back. Giants make sense.
I want my braves to get him. Yes I know we don’t need him, I just like him a lot as a player
Trolls be trolling