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East Rumors: Jays, Yanks, Andujar, Mets, Thor

By Connor Byrne | November 15, 2019 at 1:22am CDT

The Blue Jays had interest in right-hander Jake Odorizzi before he came off the market by accepting the Twins’ qualifying offer Thursday. Now that Odorizzi’s out of the picture for Toronto, Shi Davidi of Sportsnet lists several free-agent starters who remain on the team’s radar. They have some level of interest in Zack Wheeler, Hyun-Jin Ryu, Kyle Gibson, Jordan Lyles, Tanner Roark, Michael Pineda, Wade Miley, Rick Porcello and Dallas Keuchel, according to Davidi. Of course, some of those names are more realistic than others for the rebuilding Blue Jays, whose inability to pry Odorizzi from Minnesota “shows their restraint from previous winters remains strong and steady,” Davidi argues. On the other hand, though, Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet has heard from multiple agents who, in discussing their clients with the Jays early this offseason, “have noticed a change in tone compared to years past.” One thing appears certain: The team’s casting a wide net as it seeks much-needed rotation help.

  • Yankees third baseman Miguel Andujar was an offensive standout as a rookie in 2018, but a shoulder injury dragged down his production this year and ended his season in mid-May. However, according to Yankees general manager Brian Cashman, Andujar’s adverse 2019 hasn’t diminished teams’ enthusiasm for the 24-year-old. “I’m definitely getting a lot of interest in Miguel Andujar,” Cashman revealed to Michael Kay and Don La Greca of 98.7 FM ESPN New York (audio link). That doesn’t mean the Yankees will trade Andujar, though the defensively challenged slugger has at least temporarily lost his hold on third. Cashman suggested Gio Urshela, who posted an out-of-nowhere breakout season as Andujar’s replacement, is the favorite to continue as the Yankees’ top option at the hot corner. With that in mind, the Yankees are at least considering trying to make Andujar a multi-positional player – someone who can also line up at first and/or in the outfield. Whether or not that comes to fruition, Cashman continues to regard Andujar as “an exciting young talent.”
  • Mets general manager Brodie Van Wagenen said at the beginning of October that the club’s not going to trade right-hander Noah Syndergaard this offseason. A month and a half later, Van Wagenen hasn’t changed his mind. Teams have called about Syndergaard, but Van Wagenen has rebuffed them, Anthony DiComo of MLB.com reports. The Mets, if they plan to contend in 2020, don’t seem to be in position to trade Syndergaard. After all, they’re already likely to lose one of their best starters in Zack Wheeler. And Syndergaard’s projected to make an affordable salary ($9.9MM) next year, which is crucial for a New York team that appears to lack financial flexibility.
  • Yankees outfielder Clint Frazier has been popular in trade speculation for years, though the club has held on to him despite a logjam in the grass. Could the Yankees finally part with Frazier this winter? Ken Davidoff of the New York Post discusses Frazier’s trade value with multiple anonymous executives, who unsurprisingly opine that the 25-year-old’s appeal has dipped somewhat. Defense has been a problem for Frazier, who spent a good portion of 2019 in the minors working to improve in that area. He did, however, collect a career-high 246 MLB plate appearances in 2019 and bat an adequate .267/.317/.489 with 12 home runs. Cashman admitted Frazier “took a step backwards” in 2019, though the exec’s encouraged that Frazier has “already proven he can play in New York.”
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  1. greatd

    3 years ago

    Yankees would probably want a starting pitcher for Andujar.
    Wonder who the likely targets are if they do decide to trade him?

    Reply
    • jbigz12

      3 years ago

      What team is going to give up a starter that the Yankees would want for A Guy who looks like a DH coming off TJ? They’re better off keeping him and playing him at 1B or DH at this point. With Didi and EE gone their should be some ABS. He’s not an awful insurance policy should Urshela revert to his pre 2019 offensive ways either.

      Reply
      • mimmo

        3 years ago

        Agree with your point. But it was shoulder surgery for a torn labrum.

        Reply
        • jbigz12

          3 years ago

          Yeah you’re right. Torres had the TJ. My error.

        • southbeachbully

          3 years ago

          @jbigz12

          And as long as his labrum is healed he should be able to return to form. It’s not as dangerous as it would be for a pitcher.

      • AngelsAdvocate

        3 years ago

        You said it better than I did.

        Reply
      • Yankee Mike

        3 years ago

        What team? A team paying an early 30’s pitcher nearly 20 million that can’t afford him. His name is Corey Klueber. Andujar for him makes a lot of sense as Cleveland can use Miggy at 3rd and move Jose Ramirez to 2nd, since Kipnis is a free agent. My guess is the Yankees will try to expand the deal to include Lindor, but that would be where there would be a lot more pieces.

        Reply
        • hockeyjohn

          3 years ago

          First, the Yankees do not have the pieces that meets Cleveland’s needs to get Lindor. Second, the Indians value defense and according to Fangraphs, Andujar was the worst defensive 3B in 2018. Third, Andujar is also coming off a serious injury. Fourth, Andujar is a likely DH. Fifth, does Cleveland want to tie up their DH spot with Andujar? They are already going to try to play Framil Reyes some in in right field as to not tie up the DH spot with one player.

          If they could not afford Corey Kluber, they could have just declined his option. They did not do that so his salary is not a concern of theirs. I am not sure that the Yankees would offer Andujar. I am not sure that the Indians would favor the bat enough to take on a bat only, one dimensional player like Andujar.

        • Butch779988

          3 years ago

          Dreaming is fun

        • AngelsAdvocate

          3 years ago

          You’re smoking the good stuff.

        • aamatho18

          3 years ago

          His salary is a concern, but there was no reason for Cleveland to let him go for nothing. If anything, they’d be able to flip him. Andujar was horrible defensively, but he’s regarded as a hard worker who could improve with enough reps and if he becomes league average defensively, he could become a borderline star. I’m by no means an Andujar supporter, but you can’t say that Cleveland wouldn’t be interested in him.

        • Metfan1964

          3 years ago

          They accepted the option in order to trade him.

        • Jonthunder

          3 years ago

          The Yankees could make a package for Lindor, but that package might create other holes that are harder to fill than SS.

          The biggest issue is the level of competition for Frankie: it will be hard to beat the inevitable offers.

        • spinach

          3 years ago

          Why would they ever have declined his contract when they could trade it for stuff instead?

        • phils phanatic

          3 years ago

          kluber for andjular(where they’d likely play him at 1B and not third), frazier, and a young arm with upside who’s close to the majors like maybe adams or montgomery might make some sense

        • southbeachbully

          3 years ago

          @Yankee Mike

          I hate that Sherman even put the thought of Lindor out there. I just can’t see the Yanks using their top prospects for a SS when they can just bring back DIdi or move Torres to SS and make DJ the permanent 2B. I do wish they kept things for DJ flexible. Seems like a waste to limit him to 1 position.

        • hockeyjohn

          3 years ago

          Phils, Cleveland has a first baseman so no room there for Andujar. Cleveland also values their clubhouse culture and defense so Frazier is not the best match either. Cleveland might be interested if they feel that they can fix some of the defensive problems that each player has.
          The Indians do not like to tie up the DH position with one person. That is why they are trying to work with Framil Reyes to be better defensively in RF so that the DH position is open to best utilize their roster.

        • southbeachbully

          3 years ago

          @phils phanatic

          That’s a very steep price for a guy who missed most of the season because of an injury, sucked when he was on the field and is about to turns 34 in April.

          Andujar + Frazier and a guy like Montgomery, who has been above average in just over a year’s worth of sample size is a super overpay. Maybe he’ll return back to his 2018 self, but maybe not. .

        • phils phanatic

          3 years ago

          @hockeyjohn granted they do have santana at first there’s enough AB’s to get santana some time at 1st and dh, andjular time at 1st, dh and see if he maybe sticks at 3rd, and for ramirez to play both 3rd and 2nd. we know how teams have valued flexibility so to me it seems that could be an option,especially if andjular can fix some of his defensive woes at 3rd. frazier’s defensive problems could be an issue but if there’s any team that knows him as well,maybe even better, as the yankees it’d be cleveland. idk personally how they feel about him but ever since they gave him up they’ve been involved in rumors to potentially get him back. also, and i feel this is key to point this out, if cleveland is giving up kluber i think they want guys that could help the team almost immediately because i dont think they believe they’re ready for a full rebuild quite yet and i’d agree

        • phils phanatic

          3 years ago

          @southbeachbully you’re right it is a heavy price and obviously i dont know exactly how each team values the players involved, but #1 i think if kluber is moved it will take a good bit of ML ready talent even with the injury and #2 i dont want to say the pieces the yanks would be moving are spare parts by any means, but if u take those guys off the roster and add kluber dont they look like a better team?obviously that’s ASSUMING good health for kluber and the guys that seemingly came out of nowhere keeping pace. risky move no doubt, but there’s not a whole lot of “aces” available and the yankees have the depth to do it and potentially push them over the top

        • Yankee Mike

          3 years ago

          Gleyber in my opinion is a below average short stop. DJ is coming into age 32 year when you start to see decline. He is not the long term option. Lindor is 25, a switch hitter, and has let it be known he would like to be a Yankee at some point in his career. Gleyber fits well at 2nd. Yankees have other options at short if they need to. I know people don’t like Tyler Wade, but I do believe he could hit .270, with a lot of stolen bases and play good defense. I also like what I have seen of Thairo Estrada. I recognize there is a lot of competition for Lindor and the price will probably be too high, but man, him leading off, followed by Judge, DJ in the 3 hole and Gleybere clean up sure sounds exciting.

        • hockeyjohn

          3 years ago

          Yankee Mike, The Yankees do not have the pieces to get Francisco Lindor unless they make Torres available which they won’t do. There will be no Lindor trade to the Yankees.

      • Baseballallday

        3 years ago

        I think a ton of teams would want him. Great young bat with years of team control who is currently probably at his lowest in terms of value coming off the injuries of last season. If I were the Yankees I’d hold on to him because his trade value will likely go up. I think people forget how good is bat was his rookie season and are undervaluing him. Yes his defense obviously needs work but honestly he’s a very comparable player to Devers who the Sox seem more than happy to deal with a few extra errors in exchange for his offensive numbers. Coming of his injuries and uncertainty how he’d perform I’m not sure I’d trade for him straight up but I’d definitely take him as part of a package and give up someone solid in exchange.

        Reply
        • AngelsAdvocate

          3 years ago

          He’s not even close to Raphael Devers.

        • Metfan1964

          3 years ago

          Can’t say that yet- Devers was no where near Andujar in year one comparisons.

        • Nego

          3 years ago

          Andujar was also like 3 years older

        • southbeachbully

          3 years ago

          @Nego

          Two years. He turns 25 before the start of the season. But he’s still young,.

    • AngelsAdvocate

      3 years ago

      Why would any team trade a SP for a defensive liability?

      Reply
      • deweybelongsinthehall

        3 years ago

        A team in need of offense will take a shot if the price is right. Like others said already, your buying low so he would have to be part of a trade with say Frazier (and potentially more). The return? Likely an expensive pitcher either on his last year or coming off a lousy season looking to rebound. If he had one more year and was not a free agent now, Rick Porcello comes to mind as a theoretical example and I doubt the Yankees would make that type of trade anyway.

        Reply
        • sidewinder11

          3 years ago

          Porcello is a free agent.

        • slider32

          3 years ago

          Porcello is a free agent! I think Cashman looks at teams who need both an outfielder and a 3rd basemen. Teams like the D-Backs, Marlins, Rockies, Indians, Tigers, and Giants make some sense.

        • nymetsking

          3 years ago

          Reading isn’t all that hard. Try again.

        • antibelt

          3 years ago

          Giants have a third baseman signed for three more seasons, and one of theor top ren prospects is a 3rd baseman. No thanks. I’d rather have Clint Frazier in left for us, which would limit his liability.

      • fits65

        3 years ago

        The angels do it all the time. Look at their staff. Lol

        Reply
      • BigNateisComing

        3 years ago

        They wouldn’t unless they had a brain fart, trading him before he shows he’s healthy makes little sense

        Reply
        • deweybelongsinthehall

          3 years ago

          Even healthy, some team has to see some type of upside at some position defensively. Otherwise he is a DH with one great year. There have been one year wonders and at this point, he’s a second or third piece to any deal unless salary relief is what the other team wants.

        • southbeachbully

          3 years ago

          @deweybelongsinthehall

          Andujar was no “surprise” with his bat, People expected him to hit and that’s what got him to the bigs. No way would he be a “third piece” in any realistic deal. He’s exactly what Robinson Cano was ear;ly in his career. A great contact hitter for average and power who won’t draw a lot of walks but can hit almost anything and won’t strike out at a high rate. He had a RD 130. That’s just below Dever’s RC 132. He’s Devers with a lesser glove. That’s a 3rd piece in one helluva deal.. #notrealistic

    • Bocephus

      3 years ago

      If any GM traded a starter for just Andujar than their days would be numbered. Yankees fans are something else.

      Reply
      • WereAllJustGuestsHere

        3 years ago

        Andujar for Jordan Zimmermann. We can replace Zimmermann with other starters. Try again kid.

        Reply
        • andyg37

          3 years ago

          In what world does Miguel Andujar get you Jordan Zimmerman?

        • WereAllJustGuestsHere

          3 years ago

          None Andy. Did you read what was written above?

        • Bocephus

          3 years ago

          “We can replace Zimmerman with other starters.”. You’re not part of the team, so we doesn’t apply to you. Failed try little fella.

        • AngelsAdvocate

          3 years ago

          JZ would never play for NYY in that little league park.

        • AngelsAdvocate

          3 years ago

          Andy is correct.

      • fair-critic

        3 years ago

        people like you are why we dont have recent WS rings. grow up and accept trades. stop getting hung up on “player potential”.

        Reply
      • Metfan1964

        3 years ago

        Andujar would be a piece of the package for a starter. Not a solo one for one deal.

        Reply
        • Mo4ever

          3 years ago

          Unless dumping an expensive pitcher contract was deemed a strategic imperative.

    • Eightball611

      3 years ago

      This is where everyone is wrong… He coming off a down year because of injuries however the potential is there. If yankees need pitching then trade if his value goes down more.
      I can be wrong but also right. Life isna gamble so simce they have depth then Trade in case the value goes.

      Reply
      • antibelt

        3 years ago

        If his trade value went down, why would you trade him? That’s the opposite of what you do.

        Reply
        • Mo4ever

          3 years ago

          If he’s excess baggage and you can get something you need.

    • slider32

      3 years ago

      The Yanks might be able to package both Frazier and Andujar for a good starting controllable pitcher. If they keep them Andujar can DH and play some 3B and outfield, while Frazier or Tauchman will be the 4th outfielder, not too shabby.

      Reply
      • AngelsAdvocate

        3 years ago

        You trade a SP for Tauchman and International Signing money – not for the Andujar & Frazier fools.

        Reply
        • Mo4ever

          3 years ago

          Get off it already fool

    • pasha2k

      3 years ago

      Frazier was exposed for being a huge liability defensively, the market has shrunk.

      Reply
  2. jimmertee

    3 years ago

    That list of secondary tier pitchers is going to get a club burned. Ryu and GIbson will fare well moving forward but I don’t like the rest.

    Reply
  3. jorge78

    3 years ago

    Re the Blue Jays: I have an interest in Taylor Swift. Doesn’t
    mean it’s happening…..

    Reply
    • sovietcanuckistanian

      3 years ago

      so they’ll put out an angsty album about it?

      sounds about right.

      Reply
    • bluejays92

      3 years ago

      Well of course because she’s mine.

      Reply
  4. WereAllJustGuestsHere

    3 years ago

    Two names not on Shi’s list: Strasburg, Cole.

    Step your game up Rogers.

    Reply
    • iverbure

      3 years ago

      Even if the jays offered them the most money they still wouldn’t come to Toronto so stop calling into the fan 590 with these ludicrous suggestions. The top free agents don’t want to come to Toronto for a variety of reasons. Never will. Just stop.

      Reply
      • Mo4ever

        3 years ago

        Clemens did it.

        Reply
        • pasha2k

          3 years ago

          And he took it after they said they would put a good team together, n see where he ended up?

      • WereAllJustGuestsHere

        3 years ago

        Iver, nobody listens to the Fan 590..

        The richest owner, or close to the richest, in baseball should be shooting for the stars. Toronto is a Top 5 market in size and population. Time to play with the big boys with Vlad Jr and company or do not play at all. You pay the men, they will play in Toronto. Take your defeatist attitude back to the Maple Leafs.

        Reply
  5. coldbeer

    3 years ago

    We’ve seen the list of starters that the Jays are after about 10 times from various outlets now. Regrettably, it’s highly unlikely the front office will get the message. Thumbs down.

    Reply
    • BigNateisComing

      3 years ago

      They wouldn’t unless they had a brain fart, trading him before he shows he’s healthy makes little sense

      Reply
  6. jimmertee

    3 years ago

    The Jays could have had Odorizzi easily, all they had to do was outbid a QO which they chose not to do. Does that mean they are shopping free agents with dumpster diving prices?

    Shapiro said that the Jays were going to play at all levels of FA even the high priced levels. They didn’t outbid a QO do what’s next? Definitely no Cole or Strasburg?

    Reply
    • dman07

      3 years ago

      Sounds about right. I can’t see the Jays landing Cole or Strasburg. Maybe Dallas/Pineda is more realistic if this is the approach.

      Reply
    • Mystic Rhythms

      3 years ago

      Not outbidding the QO for Odorizzi isn’t the same as being cheap. It might be that they dont view him as being worth more than the QO plus loss of a draft pick.

      Reply
      • WereAllJustGuestsHere

        3 years ago

        Not having Cole and Strasburg on the radar when they have plenty of money is being cheap when the targets aren’t aces.

        Reply
        • iverbure

          3 years ago

          Why would those guys want to pitch in Toronto?

        • Mo4ever

          3 years ago

          Money. Only reason. An amount of money they can’t refuse. Not gonna happen, of course. But you asked why…

    • iverbure

      3 years ago

      Jimmy, let me educate you some more. Free agents don’t want to come to Toronto. Not unless you dramatically overpay. Let’s say the jays were willing to offer Jake 20 mil next year. Guess what that 17 and change from Minnesota is still more because of taxes.

      Reply
  7. forwhomjoshbelltolls

    3 years ago

    Don LeGreca with EJ Hradek was the peak era of NHL Live.

    Reply
  8. southpaw2153

    3 years ago

    I’m not as sold on Ursheia repeating his offensive performance in 2020. No reason to trade Andujar, unless it’s for an impact pitcher. Andujar is the type of hitter the Yankees missed in the playoffs…one that could put the bat on the ball.

    Guy had 47 doubles in 2018. He’s young and cheap. Looking forward to watching him again, next season.

    Reply
    • fitsiqis65

      3 years ago

      correct- urshela’s track record for success is exactly one year, his 3 prior years were horrific.
      100% agree though Miggy only gets moved for an impact SP, if not having both of em makes sense.

      personally, i’d like to see the yanks gets a contact hitting lefty defensive 1B, use torres at ss, dj at 2b, and let miggy and gio battle for 3b with the loser and wade be the utility guys….

      Reply
      • hockeyjohn

        3 years ago

        Andujar’s track record for success is also one year, and his defense is horrific. Just stating more facts.

        Reply
        • AngelsAdvocate

          3 years ago

          Andujar serves little purpose.

        • fitsiqis65

          3 years ago

          maybe, so keep both unless andujar fetches an impact sP. which is the point here.

          nonetheless the fact remains that gio had 3 crap years and 1 good one, whereas miggy came in guns a-blazing and no crap years

        • rocky7

          3 years ago

          AnglesAdvocate; Guess it takes one to know one….what a mindless comment!

      • rocky7

        3 years ago

        Incorrect – Gio….in his prior 3 years he always displayed stellar defense and batted around the .225 mark…..which if was hitting 20 home runs would be considered terrific with today’s analytics in mind…..We’ll have to see what one year of high success will do for his offense in this season to come.
        As far as a contact hitting 1st baseman…Voit’s power is to right center and right field. primarily so splitting time based on righty-lefty would be a waste of a bench seat.
        Andujar’s fate will be determined by the potential package the Yankees can put in front of somebody for a front line pitcher…otherwise, they’ll wait until Spring Training to see how things sort out…..you can always make a trade in the Spring when older players go down with injuries or wait until the trade deadline in July for the best deal.

        Reply
        • Begamin

          3 years ago

          But he wasnt hitting 20 HR while batting .225. The ball was juiced this year, dont put all your chips in that Urshela will repeat his performance. Its possible that he maintains his 2019 production, sure, but Andujar’s non-juiced 2018 had more pop than Urshela’s juiced 2019.

          Defense is also something that can always be improved too. Just look at Semien

        • southbeachbully

          3 years ago

          @Begamin

          The “juiced” ball doesn’t make a 5 homerun hitter a 20-25 homerun hitter. More to it.

        • Mo4ever

          3 years ago

          You’re right. But it probably does make a 53 HR hitter a 40-45 HR hitter. Which means that Rookie HR record wouldn’t have fallen. That’s the kind of thing that bugs me about the juiced ball. The impact of everyone and their brother hitting 30+ HR’s and the impact on season and career ERA’s.

        • Begamin

          3 years ago

          +south
          Im sure he did change his swing and that the changes he made were improvements. But almost everyone and their grandma had a surprise breakout year last year. Regardless, Andujar’s non-juiced ball 2018 had more pop than Urshelas juiced ball 2019.

    • Stratocaster

      3 years ago

      I can’t see Cashman selling low on Andujar.

      Reply
  9. fair-critic

    3 years ago

    all of these morons clinging to “player potential” are why the Yankees are not winning. demand results, not sentimental rookies.

    Reply
    • Begamin

      3 years ago

      huh? 100+ wins in back to back seasons is winning you actual goof. just because they got beat by a cheating Houston team (where even if they didnt cheat, they are still a very good team) doesnt mean that the team isnt putting up good results.

      Reply
      • nymetsking

        3 years ago

        The point is the Astros are cashing in on their prospects to get the pieces that put them at an advantage over the Yankees in the playoffs. The Yankees are gun shy when it comes to making the bold moves that they used to make in the past, and are coming up just short because of it.

        Reply
        • Begamin

          3 years ago

          Just because they arent dropping fat contracts to old vets on the decline doesnt mean the Yanks are gun shy. The Yankees just shipped off their at-the-time top rated pitching prospect Justus Sheffield for Paxton last offseason. To say they are gun shy is silly, and its also not the reason they came up short this year. They came up short this year because the playoffs are a glorified crap shoot where two elite teams basically have a coin flip to see who moves on.

          The Yankees have cashed in on high rated prospects like Dustin Fowler, Jorge Mateo, Blake Rutherford, Justus Sheffield & more. Just because they didnt want to move a kings ransom to the Jays for Stroman when the Jays asked for Gleyber or Garcia (and in the end took two prospects nowhere near their caliber) or when the Pirates asked for Gleyber and Andujar+ for Cole (and in the end took Colin Moran and Joe Musgrove + a crappy pitcher that im not sure is even on the team anymore) doesnt mean the Yanks are gun shy.

        • Mo4ever

          3 years ago

          I think the example of gun shy was the trade deadline when they didn’t come back with the essential pitching pieces they clearly needed (and the Astros did). They then went on to lose home field advantage in September and the ALCS in October. What they need is a #1 starter. Not another #2 or #3. Just a #1. Will they get one? Reading the things Cash has been saying the last few days, I have no confidence that they are intent on getting a #1. I don’t think Hal will support it. Hence the notion: gun shy.

        • Begamin

          3 years ago

          And yet pitching wasnt the weak spot against the Astros. They wouldve lost whether or not they got Stroman

        • Mo4ever

          3 years ago

          Some people like Cashman say that but the Yanks would have won if the Stros had scored fewer runs, too. Two ways to look at it. Cash blames hitting in part because he doesn’t want to admit responsibility for failing to win a WS, again.

          And Hal/Cash appear to be lining up to gamble away another postseason by failing to acquire the necessary pitching pieces: Cole and Betances.

        • southbeachbully

          3 years ago

          @nymetsking

          Not quite. First off, the Astros tanked to get quite a few of their star players. bBergman, Springer and Correa were all drafted early in the top 5. Secondly, Yanks, like the Astros, knew which players to keep (Springer, Bergman, Correa, Severino, Judge, Torres, Sanchez) and which ones to trade for pieces they needed (Verlander, Cole, Paxton. Happ, Voit, Hicks, Didi, etc). Both teams take the same approach except for the tanking part.

        • Baseballfreak

          3 years ago

          In case you missed the early showing of Sheffield in the Bronx, it was worse than Happ! Sheffield got shellacked everytime he pitched in Yankee Stadium! They dumped him while they could still find someone to give them something. Sheffield will prosper in the bigger domain in Seattle, Paxton is more of a groundball pitcher which better suits Yankee Stadium. The Yankees took a bigger contract to free up space for Seattle and gave them a quality piece for their stadium. Win-win for Seattle.

      • fair-critic

        3 years ago

        100+ wins is nice but not a ring. the astros cheated. thats bad. but not securing A+ pitching negates our offense. bad coaching for pitchers didnt help. betances isnt welcome back. yankees need to let him go as a business move.

        Reply
  10. Phiilies2020

    3 years ago

    Personally I think Frazier and/or Andujar are very likely to be traded.

    I could see the pair going to Cleveland for Kluber. Makes sense on paper.

    Reply
    • AngelsAdvocate

      3 years ago

      Why would Cleveland want to make their defense even worse?

      Reply
      • WereAllJustGuestsHere

        3 years ago

        Did he say where they would play? There is a spot called DH. You new?

        Reply
        • hockeyjohn

          3 years ago

          There is only one dh spot and two players that are likely dhs.

        • WereAllJustGuestsHere

          3 years ago

          Not in Phillies’ mind when he made the comment.

    • pasha2k

      3 years ago

      Phillies, as usual the NYY fans think the flawed players will bring the team bk players that are excellent. Bad move that Cleveland would never do.

      Reply
      • Mo4ever

        3 years ago

        The reason for that deal is that in addition to getting Andujar and Frazier Cleveland would dump Kluber’s expensive contract, giving them more spending room…

        Why is that so hard to understand? Happens all the time.

        Reply
  11. slider32

    3 years ago

    These moves are on the back burner, Cashman is more focused on Cole or Strasburg at this point. I’m sure if a deal is out there he will make it. for Frazier or Andujar.

    Reply
    • angelsfan4life412

      3 years ago

      I don’t see Cashman making high offers on Cole & Strasburg, he will make low ball offers, if that fails i think he will make trades and then go for low tier starters.

      Reply
      • southbeachbully

        3 years ago

        @angelsfan4life412

        Yanks have Severiino, Paxton, Tanaka, Happ, German and Monfomery. They don’t need more 3-5 starters.

        Reply
    • rocky7

      3 years ago

      His focus will be on top line pitching which certainly is Cole or Strasburg, but that also includes Kluber or Carasco if Cleveland makes them available and their “getting” price is less.

      Reply
      • hockeyjohn

        3 years ago

        Cleveland will not trade Carlos Carrasco. He has signed two, very team friendly deals. Carrasco wants to finish his career as an Indian.

        Reply
      • Mo4ever

        3 years ago

        “His focus will be on top line pitching…”

        Kluber is a high risk version of “top line pitching.” They already have Severino, German and Paxton as risky top line pitching (are they #1’s? Maybe some year but probably not; hence risky).

        They need Cole or Stras. Period. That having been said I think there’s about zero chance they will sign either. Just as they passed on the pitching available at the trade deadline because it was deemed too expensive–and then they proceeded to forfeit the home field advantage in September and the ALCS in October–Cole and Stras will be deemed too expensive and we’ll wind up with yet another #2 or #3 that cannot face a true #1 in the postseason. And why? Because Hal won’t support acquiring a #1. Too close on the heels of Stanton…

        Reply
    • pasha2k

      3 years ago

      Cashman blew it before with Cole.

      Reply
      • Mo4ever

        3 years ago

        Last time Cole was a 4.26 ERA pitcher. Nobody could have known he would pop some magic beans and become a 2.88 ERA flamethrower in Houston overnight. I’m quick to dump on Cashman but I didn’t really blame him for not seeing that coming.

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        • southbeachbully

          3 years ago

          @Mo4ever

          What you’re referring to is “context” and sadly, that’s the problem with the world today.

          Cole had the stuff but so does Nathan Evoldi. Cole wasn’t THAT bad but he had 3 consecutive years of a 2.60 to 3.88 to 4.26 ERA. Cash still should’ve done it if it were just Frazier and Adams but his transformation was overnight going from Pittsburgh to Houston.

  12. eyesaiah

    3 years ago

    perfect time for a team to try to acquire both Andujar & Frazier from Yankees. I’m thinking a team like the Indians could benefit from getting Frazier back to play LF & Andujar 3B/DH with Jose Ramirez 2B/3B

    Reply
    • hockeyjohn

      3 years ago

      Terry Francona talked with Jose Ramirez at the end of the season. Francona asked him about playing 2nd or 3rd. Ramirez told him that it did not matter which position he played, but that he did not want to move back and forth. Ramirez will either be at 2nd or 3rd depending on who they acquire for the other spot.

      Reply
  13. aj_yuri

    3 years ago

    There is definitely a pitcher out there to trade with. I can see Clint Frazier and Andujar for Klueber

    Reply
    • pasha2k

      3 years ago

      Another crazed NYY fan who thinks they deserve yo get the best of a trade, but not equal.

      Reply
      • Mo4ever

        3 years ago

        You seem to think Kluber is still a dependable #1. He’s not. He may never be a #1 again. Ever. He’s damaged goods.

        If Cleveland needs to dump salary, then this would be a perfectly good way to do it. Why is that so hard to understand? Happens all the time.

        That being said I have no idea if dumping salary is on their mind. If it is, this would be one way to do it.

        Kluber is not a dominant pitcher any more. At least, he can’t be traded as one.

        Reply
        • hockeyjohn

          3 years ago

          If Cleveland wanted to dump salary, they could have just declined Corey Kluber’s option. They did not do that. He is part of their plans.

  14. Mario93

    3 years ago

    Anybody who’d trade Andujar over one season of production off of a waiver claim in Urshela should probably stop.. Urshela is likely production of steroids going to the Bronx, or just was the beneficiary of first time production, which pitchers will definitely make adjustments to. I promise you, pitchers had enough to worry about in the Yankees lineup, didn’t go into a game worried about how they’d get out a waiver claim in Urshela. A bunch of players can put together a good season in baseball… very few are consistent. And if you trade Andujar, and Urshela falls off the face of the earth, then what? You go and invest another 20-30 million to filing that position all because you let go Andujar, a guy under control for a long time, and has way more upside than an “Urshela”.

    Reply
    • Mo4ever

      3 years ago

      Oh stop with the “likely production of steroids” crap. You’re a child with this wild, unsubstantiated slander. Your other point of pitchers making adjustments, sure, that’s likely. And I don’t disagree that he’s not a sure thing. There’s certainly room for regression. And the larger point of keeping Andujar for a fallback, yeah, I agree with that. But the baseless roids comment is just sickening. You sound like a 9-yr-old Sox fan.

      Reply
      • WereAllJustGuestsHere

        3 years ago

        It is quite easy to fall back on steroid allegations given the rise of homeruns and injuries, and especially for a guy like Urshela who was putrid offensively in Toronto last year.

        It is no different than someone accusing Houston of cheating based on an allegation, a “he said-she said” scenario. What Mario said isn’t that much different from your comments on the Houston story.

        Reply
  15. hockeyjohn

    3 years ago

    There is only one dh spot and two players that are likely dhs.

    Reply
  16. slider32

    3 years ago

    One thing for sure Miggy can hit, so at least I see him as a DH and part time player at 3rd.. He finished second in the rookie of the year honors.

    Reply
    • Begamin

      3 years ago

      Miggy is not slouch for sure. Even when playing with a torn labrum his swing stayed through the zone and he was just barely missing the ball. There is obviously some concern about how he will do when he comes back from such a big injury/long layoff but I imagine he’ll be able to bounce back in enough time. Fearless hitter.

      Reply
    • Mo4ever

      3 years ago

      Problem is, they don’t need a DH. They have a number of players who share time there, especially Stanton.

      Reply
  17. niched

    3 years ago

    It doesn’t seem like the Yankees have any real position player trade chips for impact players other teams value — unless you include Gleyber Torres, who the Yankees are obviously not trading. Maybe Voit? The Yankees will probably have to empty the farm to get back top talent. The Yankees waited too long to trade Frazier and now it looks like Andujar too.

    Reply
  18. Melchez

    3 years ago

    Andujar has very little trade value… almost as little as Frazier. Together they might bring back a guy like Adam Conley from the Marlins.

    Reply
    • Mo4ever

      3 years ago

      That’s why you package them with a salary dump. Assuming you want to trade them.

      Reply
    • southbeachbully

      3 years ago

      @Melchez

      I can always count on you to say something stupid. Andujar had wRC +130 and you’re saying a trade of him for a 29 yo who went 2-11 with a 6.53 ERA and career ERA of almost 5?

      You’re a joke dude. Even with his poor defense. Even with him recovering from an injurt, is worth far more than Conley. In fact, it’s absurd that any team would be knocking down the door to get Conley at all.

      Reply
  19. Louiebeans

    3 years ago

    Yankees = All talk no action

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