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Quick Hits: Twins, Cubs, Rizzo, Strike Zone

By Dylan A. Chase and Anthony Franco | November 3, 2019 at 8:01am CDT

Madison Bumgarner, Zack Wheeler, and Hyun-Jin Ryu were named as three potential offseason targets for the Twins in MLBTR’s recent “Offseason Outlook” series, and that trio was also speculatively connected to the team in a piece from LaVelle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune (link). Specifically, Neal takes a look at Minnesota’s extremely fluid rotation picture, which in 2019 featured four hurlers–Jake Odorizzi, Michael Pineda, Kyle Gibson, and Martin Perez–who project to enter free agency (assuming the club declines their option on Perez, as expected). The departures of those pitchers could create something of a vacuum in Minnesota, but payroll flexibility and a talented farm should position them well to address any openings, suggests Neal.

By the writer’s calculations, the club could have upwards of $50MM in payroll room this offseason, while youngsters like Brusdar Graterol and Randy Dobnak could step into the rotation for portions of time. That financial leeway could certainly put them in position for pitchers like Bumgarner or the rest of the post-Cole free agent pitching class, to say nothing of possible trade acquisitions.

More notes from around the baseball world…

  • After making a pair of option decisions on Saturday, the Cubs are expected to exercise first baseman Anthony Rizzo’s option imminently, reports Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times (link). 2019 saw Rizzo log his sixth consecutive season with a wRC+ north of 126 (his cumulative figure over that span is a whopping 141 wRC+), making him one of the easier club option decisions of the offseason. Rizzo carries a $14.5MM club option for 2020, with a soon-to-be-irrelevant $2MM buyout attached. Next offseason, Chicago holds an identical 2021 option over Rizzo, lining the slugger up for his first realistic shot at free agency in advance of the 2022 season. Rizzo will be 32 on Opening Day of that campaign.
  • MLB experimented with an electronic strike zone in the Arizona Fall League this season, and it proved rather unpopular with pitchers and hitters alike, writes Josh Norris of Baseball America. While players effused praise for the system’s proficiency on the corners, calls at the top and bottom of the zone were less well-received. Additionally, the delay between the system’s tracking the pitch and relaying of that decision to the home-plate umpire caused some awkward exchanges. Of course, growing pains are to be expected, and the electronic zone is at least consistent, Norris adds, so MLB figures to continue to test its viability in lower-stakes games before considering a rollout at the big league level.
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  1. clrrogers 2

    6 years ago

    Bring on the robot umps!

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    • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

      6 years ago

      I’ve been dead set against that for quite some time; I always thought that the varying zone from ump to ump was a part of the game that great players adjusted to, much like the differing dimensions of ballparks. However, that was always predicated on the umps being consistent within the game.

      Feels like the trend is moving away from that. It looked to be really blatant in this years World Series – pitches on the border were not called consistently, almost like a 50-50 thing to make sure the ump was right half the time. If that’s how it’s going to be going forward, I think I would rather have the robots.

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      • getright11

        6 years ago

        Have you ever umpired a game on any level in your life? Asking for a friend.

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        • MoRivera 1999

          6 years ago

          Some of it is definitely not human error. We’re talking 5-15 bad calls a game. Umps have egos and agendas. They like being able to create their own strike zone and toying with pitchers and batters to see if they can figure it out. They have favorites hitters, pitchers, teams, etc., and they have others they don’t like. I’m sick of it. Bring on the robo umps. Let’s have consistency and fairness.

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        • dynamite drop in monty

          6 years ago

          Good grief.

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      • 802Ghost

        6 years ago

        Except there’s already evidence of robotic umpiring being wrong at times. Then what, what else are people like you going to complain about?

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        • 5toolMVP

          6 years ago

          Of course there is evidence of it being wrong at times…it’s in a testing phase in the minors. It won’t come to MLB until it’s highly accurate and reliable.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Why not reward the most consistent and best umps with bonuses? As professionals with a craft in a job that is much harder than it looks, it’s time for unions and the league to work together and reward those that put in the work to improve. If such violates some sort of union rule or charter, then reward extra compensation for taking extra classes to improve their skill set like when an apprentice has to put in classroom hours to become a journeyman. Why not also have one strike zone say 40 -65 inches off the ground (or whatever) and make players and umps learn and adjust to the strike zone? They don’t lower or raise the rim in basketball. Also, umps need to look at the ball and plate. one inch out of the zone is a ball. If a side arm or cross body pitch catches the front or the back, it’s a strike. No need to look at the catcher whose glove may or may not be in the zone. At 100 mph, it’s not easy but they aren’t being paid minimum wage.

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        • Strike Four

          6 years ago

          Complain about making it correct?

          Why cant MLB just use the square we all see on the tv as the strike zone?

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        • Strike Four

          6 years ago

          Because those umps dont exist, all are extremely bad at the job, because its impossible to do correctly in the first place.

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        • trout27

          6 years ago

          40-65 inches would put Altuve’s strike zone from his waist to the top of his head.

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        • Koamalu

          6 years ago

          0.4% wrong calls in the AFL. About 1 pitch per game.

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      • ChiSoxCity

        6 years ago

        Umpires routinely switch up their strikezones from game to game, and way too often during games. It’s comically bad. The technology exists to standardize the strikezone, players will need time to learn it and adjust.

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      • Phanatic 2022

        6 years ago

        Good or bad umpires should be part of baseball.

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        Old men with eyesight that can fail at any moment looking at where 105 mph baseballs fall in a couple foot by couple foot invisible area seems….oh I don’t know, like a really effin terrible idea on paper????

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          6 years ago

          Then they shouldn’t be umps if they can’t see with perfect vision. Who says they have to have a lifetime career? Maybe double their salary (there’s enough money in the sport) but have them have to prove their sight is sufficient and that they’re overall health is sufficient every three years. If they can’t pass, they can’t get on the field.

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      • Rallyshirt

        6 years ago

        Robot Ump hacks 20M email accounts and passwords

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        • boo rad

          6 years ago

          Uses said accounts/passwords to then empty all bank accounts, pulling off the greatest cyber heist of all time! Known whereabouts inconclusive…

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        • MoRivera 1999

          6 years ago

          Please don’t screw up this thread with this crap.

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        • Rallyshirt

          6 years ago

          Oh come on, you seriously want to sit and wait while a replacement robo gets wheeled out when the starter takes a pitch to the grill?

          Get serious

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      based on what’s being said here, you’re gonna have to wait a bit.

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      • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

        6 years ago

        No doubt. Something as controversial as this is going to get a LOT of opposition and would have to be darn near perfect before it could be used at the MLB level. I’d honestly prefer to keep the human umps and the “individual” strike zones (with exceptions, of course… Eric Gregg in that series game comes to mind…), but it honestly does feel like the umps are getting worse and worse remaining consistent within the framework of a game.

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        • Vandals Took The Handles

          6 years ago

          The one I love is the problem with balls that hit the dirt yet bounce through the strike zone.

          The robot ump calls those a strike.

          But hey, maybe play could stop for 5 minutes waiting for some backed up guys in a room in NYC to review video and determine if the ball had indeed bounced first.

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        • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

          6 years ago

          See comment above – the technology is in an early phase. The reason why you test things before implementing them in the majors is to find and correct the bugs.

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        • Vandals Took The Handles

          6 years ago

          The technology has been her for well over a decade.

          I spent my life working with computers. There are functions they can be programmed to theoretically perform that are extremely complicated and expensive to debug and maintain. If robots worked so well for a reasonable amount of investment, then 80% of people working would not be needed.

          It may well cost over a billion dollars to research, develop, produce, install and debug at the user site these instruments. The market for them are 30 major league parks and maybe 150 minor league and winter baseball parks. Exactly how do companies get their investments back? Are Little Leagues going to buy them and be stuck with the maintenance and headaches?

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        • stubby66

          6 years ago

          I dont know if it has gotten worse or is it more of people being able to see games more on tv and better dissection of the game. Just 20 years ago people use to have to read the newspaper to see how there team did. Now it up to seconds you get to see results. You know on the account of time delay so we dont see flashing behind home plate lol. Which reminds me does anyone know whatever happen to the blonde with a big chest that use to run out and give guys a kiss like Nolan Ryan

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        • tycobb016

          6 years ago

          I married her and she is a lousy cook.

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        • Koamalu

          6 years ago

          It did not call those strikes.

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        • Koamalu

          6 years ago

          The technology being used in the AFL has been available for 3 years. It did not exist before then. The automated system would not put one umpire out of work.

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    • willyb

      6 years ago

      Not sure if this idea has ever been discussed… How about having the best umps behind the plate stay behind the plate? Pay them more…. If that’s where their strength is – make it permanent! If that’s asking too much to have a guy back there full time use a larger group…. But get the crappy ones outta there!

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    • realsox

      6 years ago

      No. Lose the robot umps. Lose the professional umpires, too. Let the players umpire their own games, just as we did when I was a kid.

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    • busterhyman

      6 years ago

      The robot umpires are coming from a company called skynet. Carbon steel chassis covered by synthetic tissue. Only dogs will be able to tell the difference.

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    • Koamalu

      6 years ago

      We were told that according to a review by MLB the system got the calls correct on 99.6% of pitches in the AFL. That is a huge improvement.

      Batters that are not used to high pitches being called and pitchers that are not getting calls on balls low in the zone are going to be upset about those calls, but apparently they were the correct calls.

      The only real problem was the occasional delay in getting the call to the home plate umpire. They have decided to use the system in the lower minors next season and to continue to use it in the Atlantic League and AFL with MLB footing the bill, so the communication problems will get ironed out.

      It is looking more and more like an automated system to call balls and strikes will be implemented in the majors in 2022.

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  2. Mr. E Team

    6 years ago

    Give umps google glass with the box we see in tv

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      lol this

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      • Vandals Took The Handles

        6 years ago

        Ever notice how whether Aaron Judge or Jose Altuve are batting, the length from the top to the bottom of the strike zone is always the same?

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        • SweetHome

          6 years ago

          I did watch for that in one Astros/Yankees’ playoff game. Judge’s strike zone looked to be about a foot bigger from top to bottom. The top lined up with a much higher spot on the back wall. I can’t speak for other games though. I do suspect it is a flaw in what we see on TV in most games.

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        • jdgoat

          6 years ago

          They were talking about that on MLB radio the other day. I think it was Spillborghs saying how we actually don’t see the real strike zone on TV because almost every stadium has their camera set up a little bit to the right of the mound.

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        • Koamalu

          6 years ago

          That is pretty stupid Vandals. It’s not the same and the system they used in the AFL is not the same as the one that is used on TV. Its a 3D system and it automatically adjusts to the batting stance of the player.

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    • dynamite drop in monty

      6 years ago

      The box we see on TV is just as arbitrary as individual ump’s zones. The networks create them. I hate ricotta cheese.

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      • reflect

        6 years ago

        Ricotta cheese is really good in the right foods, like pizza. A good white pizza is delicious. It also can taste great on certain pasta dishes pasta, or stuffed inside some kind of bread.

        It just shouldn’t be used outside of specialty dishes like that.

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        • dynamite drop in monty

          6 years ago

          You’re really opened my eyes. This changes everything. Thank you, kind sir.

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        • whyhayzee

          6 years ago

          The starter is important in both cheese and baseball.

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        • quonset point

          6 years ago

          this may have been the most beneficial exchange I have ever read on this site. bless you all.

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        • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

          6 years ago

          Just for the record, add a touch of chives to your ricotta, then use it as you normally would. Adds a lot to the taste.

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        • Koamalu

          6 years ago

          Ricotta is indispensable in lasagna

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  3. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    6 years ago

    Since the ball is never put in play, at least the bad ball and strike calls allow you to be anywhere from annoyed to infuriated, instead of just bored.

    MLB needs robot umps with strike zones designed to get the ball in play.

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  4. StandUpGuy

    6 years ago

    I’m ready for the electronic strike zone. I’m tired of watching umps make bad calls at the plate that change the outcome of games.

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    • dynamite drop in monty

      6 years ago

      Every call changes the outcome of the game.

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      • tycobb016

        6 years ago

        dynamite drop in monty. Every bad call unnecessarily changes the outcome of the game. A correct call keeps the game rolling in the correct direction.

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    • braves2

      6 years ago

      so you’d rather a computer get it wrong?

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      • Yankeepride88

        6 years ago

        Yes

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        Yes

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      • 5toolMVP

        6 years ago

        I’d rather a computer be more accurate and consistent in regard to the strike zone and probably get it wrong less often.

        If a umpire is correct 82% of calls and a computer is correct 97% of calls what would you rather have calling games? Not only that but the strike zone with a computer would be consistent pitch to pitch, batter to batter, inning to inning, game to game, no more weird and wild variations.

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      • Rallyshirt

        6 years ago

        fact is, computer just makes it boring

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          I don’t think you know what facts are.

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        • Rallyshirt

          6 years ago

          I don’t think you know what sports are.

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  5. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    The technology is a bit behind the desire… for now.

    But soon we will free Alexa from the boundaries of devices, and she’ll be able to tell us whether it was a ball or strike.

    Resistance is futile….all will serve Alexa.

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    • slider32

      6 years ago

      What really bothers me forever is the size of the strike zone., it should start at the waist and go up one foot, and down 18 inches. It should be the same size for Juge as it is for Altuve. The strike zone should be structured for a 6 foot 2 person. Just like a goal in soccer, or a basketball hoop, it should be the same for everyone. A robot ump could do this the best, the strike zone starts at the waist up or down.

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        No it shouldn’t, it should be knees to elbows no matter the size of the hitter, as the hitter can hit that area well, and the job of the pitcher is to make the hitter miss. Its the very essence of the game, you cant tell a 5’2″ guy he’s getting a 6’2″ zone. Judge can hammer anything in his zone, but to force pitchers to not throw too high or low to him puts him at an extreme advantage.

        Just use lasers to figure out the rectangle from elbows to knees.

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        • 5toolMVP

          6 years ago

          Rickey Henderson was the best I’ve seen and shrinking the zone with his stance.

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        • MoRivera 1999

          6 years ago

          Likewise the bottom of Judge’s zone shouldn’t be the same as Altuve’s, although in reality that’s exactly what most umps do. They fail to adjust for height and they call strikes on Judge in the middle of his shins, as if he were like 5’2″.

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      • jim stem

        6 years ago

        In the hitter’s natural stance, it’s the armpit (top of the letters) to the top of the knee. Therefore the vertical zone varies with every hitter. The width of the strike zone should never change. Every human being is either left or right eye dominant, so an umpire may see the width slightly different, but it still should not change. The catcher framing a pitch should not be relevant. If an umpire sees the catcher’s mitt move, the pitch obviously was outside the strike zone, but technically it’s where the ball crosses the plate, not where it’s received.

        I’ll go back to a previous comment – allow a manager to challenge a called pitch just as he does with any other play. So the umpire still calls the game normally, but in an important moment late in the game, at least there is some aspect of control.

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  6. jd396

    6 years ago

    I really, really hate the idea, but the umpires themselves are often the best salesmen for a robo-zone.

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  7. jim stem

    6 years ago

    Most telecasts have a k zone box on the screen. I don’t understand why this is so difficult to translate into game play. Make it like a challenge and then put the replayed pitch on the big screen for everyone to see. It’ll sure shut up a lot of players who are wrong as well as at least give the manager an option late in the game on a game changing bad or missed pitch. Mistakes happen and an umpire get fooled too, so why not incorporate this into challenges?

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    • braves2

      6 years ago

      because the TV zones are worse than the actual umps

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        They really aren’t, and only need a slight adjustment with knees to elbows depending on the height of the player.

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      • jim stem

        6 years ago

        Should be easy enough to ‘drag’ the strike zone box for each hitter from a fixed camera location. The width is locked in, so someone with a curser just needs to drag the top line and bottom line once the batter begins his dynamic move toward the ball. It’s really not that difficult.

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    • acmeants

      6 years ago

      I agree with you. The little box we see on television is a pretty good indicator of the location of the strike zone. I understand how an umpire can have a difference of opinion when the ball is on the fringe of the plate, but when the overhead camera shows the ball missed the zone by 4 to 6 inches, then that ump has a diffinrnt problem.

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      • acmeants

        6 years ago

        Definite problem.

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      • jim stem

        6 years ago

        Atlanta Braves made a mockery of the width years ago. Umpires gave Glavine, Smoltz, etc a ball’s width off the plate and they expanded it to unreachable.

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  8. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    6 years ago

    Let me just get this straight, we do NOT have the technology to call balls and strikes in a baseball game. We are decades away to hear some tell it…

    BUT, we’ll have self driving cars any day now?

    Tell you what…let me know when you can figure out if the white ball crosses through a predetermined box (literally, three variables, over the plate, above the zone, below the zone) and THEN we can start talking about having hundreds of cars that must compute millions of variables at high speed on any given road at one time.

    The NHL can’t figure out how to build a system to know if the puck goes into the net or not, but sure, merge me onto a crowded highway from a bridge overpass at 70 mph.

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    • mike127

      6 years ago

      @joshbell———we have the technology to attach a camera to a comet traveling at a ridiculous speed some millions miles away from the earth, but if the wind is blowing 15MPH in Florida the space shuttle has to make another orbit before it can land??????????? Some things are mind numbing.

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      • whyhayzee

        6 years ago

        Human life is a game changer in the calculations need for accuracy. Unfortunately sometimes NASA has made mistakes by not listening to the right people about safety risks.

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      • dnr7

        6 years ago

        I imagine the R&D budget to avoid killing people is substantially higher that tracking an object for entertainment

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    • jim stem

      6 years ago

      Doesn’t matter if the catcher has to dig the ball out if the dirt. He’s 6 feet behind the plate! The technical zone is if any part of the ball is below the batter’s top of the left knee at the front of the plate, it’s below the strike zone. I’m sure software can be adjusted for that.

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  9. whyhayzee

    6 years ago

    Supposedly the umps get about 8-9% of the calls wrong on balls that are not swung at. That’s an A but not an A+. Maybe MLB could pick 1/4 of the umps to be home plate umps who could then focus entirely on balls and strikes and cut the error rate in half. That’s an A+, but why not aim higher? It’s the biggest part of the game! So if technology can get the error rate down to negligible, why not use it? Machines time races now, not humans with stop watches. Times moves forward, let’s move with it. Perfect the technology. Humans are still playing the game, it’s just a better game with things done right.

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    • jdgoat

      6 years ago

      Not a bad idea. Pay those umps an extra hundred thousand or so and give them more days off.

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    • macstruts

      6 years ago

      Supposedly the umps get about 8-9% of the calls wrong on balls that are not swung at. That’s an A but not an A+.

      I completely disagree. The vast majority of those pitches are obvious. When the pitch goes to bordering, those percentage drop enormously.

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      • whyhayzee

        6 years ago

        I know what you’re saying, there’s probably an area along the borders where the calls are about 50-50.

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    • tycobb016

      6 years ago

      @whyhayzee Check out Hardball times. They did a piece on this in 2017 i think it was. Researched from 2012-2016 The umps are terrible. Example. Based on quadrants if a fastball is thrown a strike in the top right quadrant, overall the umps got the call correctly just 44.40% of the time. Very interesting stuff. Based on the count the accuracy of a call on a fastball that was thrown for a strike ranged from 91.06% with a 3-0 count to 56.66% on a 0-2 count. Some umps better than others obviously. From 2012 to 2016 the accuracy decreased. They broke down the umps according to largest strike zone, smallest, most strikes called etc. Lot of other good stuff in there. recommended.

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  10. Cat Mando

    6 years ago

    I read another article on the robo-umps a few days ago. one thing that ticked hitter off was low breaking balls, like a 12-6 curve. the ball would catch the tiniest part of the zone and be called a strike even though the catcher had to dig it out of the dirt.
    Let’s leave some things in a game played by humans up to other humans.

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    • Boston2AZ

      6 years ago

      “Let’s leave some things in a game played by humans up to other humans.” I find that’s what a lot of people say – until it affects THEIR team in a negative way. Guess that’s HUMAN nature, huh? :0)

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      • Cat Mando

        6 years ago

        Believe it or not there are some of us that accept umps missing a ball/strike call etc without whining. You and others should try it.

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        • dynamite drop in monty

          6 years ago

          I refuse to believe this. Any even casual baseball fan who claims to have never once “whined”, or griped or complained about a call is a liar.

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        • Cat Mando

          6 years ago

          Believe what you like.

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        • jdgoat

          6 years ago

          I see where you’re coming from, but if I were an Astro fan, I’d be raging over that strike three call against Correa in game 7. I do find it a little hard to believe that anybody would be able to just eat that call like nothing happened.

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        • dynamite drop in monty

          6 years ago

          I will, mister.

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        • Cat Mando

          6 years ago

          JDGoat
          Do bad calls only happen to one team? No, they happen to all teams sometimes several times in a game. If bad calls only happened to the Phillies and not their opponents then I would complain but that’s not reality.
          I get more frustrated by guys like Hoskins who will stand there and let 2 pitches go by, right through his red zone, all because he was told to see as many pitches as possible. That gets irritating.

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          I’ve never known a fan to not complain when the their team lost games due to bad calls..

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        • Yankeepride88

          6 years ago

          That’s because Cat is lying. Human umpires need to go. If we had robots, it should speed up the game since replay would be removed.

          Umpires throwing out players because the umpires feelings were hurt is just pitiful.

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        • dynamite drop in monty

          6 years ago

          Imagine actually believing this

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        • Cat Mando

          6 years ago

          No I’m not lying Yankeepride88, I just face reality. Bad calls happen to all teams and and that is reality. IfI am willing to accept a win for my team do to a bad call then I have no right to whine if my guys are tagged with a loss because of the same. It’s not a hard concept.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Sure, lets let a 65 year old man with failing eyesight call 105 mph fastballs, I’m sure it will work with 100% accuracy SMH

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      • Cat Mando

        6 years ago

        Strike Four…..
        Reductio ad absurdum is always a weak argument but weak is expected of you.

        BTW…average age of an MLB ump is about 46 years old.

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        • MoRivera 1999

          6 years ago

          Regardless of the age they alter the outcomes of games every day of the week. And many of those games are important. They also alter the statistics of batters and pitchers, which have significant $ implications.

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        • tycobb016

          6 years ago

          Correct-a-mundo Mo4ever. Ump blows a call on a 1-1 pitch results in a huge advantage swing. MLB or F/X has tracked every pitch in every MLB ball park since 2008. Relative to the umps the machine is ready to go. Universal strike zone might not be the best route but I’m sick of the calls.. Calibrate each players strike zone and lets get on with it.

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    • jb226

      6 years ago

      I read that article too, but it is a silly complaint. “The ball touched a tiny part of the strike zone” is the definition of a strike. If we really wanted the entire ball to fit inside the zone to be a strike, we could make that the definition of a strike instead, but we do not.

      Another example from the same article: Hitters were mad about pitches that were an obvious strike but egregiously missed their location, so the catcher had to zing his arm across his body to catch it. They’re literally mad that a strike was called a strike.

      The reason they’re mad is not because those aren’t strikes, it’s because umpires routinely don’t call those strikes strikes. That’s not on the system, and it’s not something I’m interested in coddling the players about. There is no provision in the rulebook that a strike is a pitch that passes through a predefined zone as long as it doesn’t make the catcher move too much. You’re defending the umpires not calling strikes strikes as a reason not to use a system that does.

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    • Koamalu

      6 years ago

      If it caught the zone, its a strike. The pitchers in the AFL were complaining that they were not getting calls on balls low in the zone and hitters were complaining that strikes were being called on pitches high in the zone, They were still strikes according to the rules, but umpires typically didn’t call those high strikes and typically did call those low pitches.

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      • tycobb016

        6 years ago

        Great stuff Koamalu. Thanks for sharing and educating.

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  11. braves2

    6 years ago

    I have an idea- in order to get everything perfect, let’s have a machine throw 100mph fastballs right down the middle of the plate to opposing machines swinging a bat that is at the perfect angle to launch homeruns every single time. then there will be perfect machine outfielders that will leap and make ridiculous catches at the wall. and just to keep things interesting, every team starts with a machine baserunner on 3b so after the catch at the wall the outfielder can make a perfect laser throw home to a machine so there is a play at thr plate every time!

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    • dynamite drop in monty

      6 years ago

      They already did that for the NES it was called BASE WARS and it was literally robots playing baseball. It was awesome.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      You wrote all those extra words when your opening line showed everyone how stupid a point you were going to make – why?

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  12. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    Ya, but one of the bots didn’t run out of the box to beat out an infield grounder, and said, “Get over it; I’m not one of those hustle all the time bots”.

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    • dynamite drop in monty

      6 years ago

      Hopefully all the bots receive the most current software updates so they follow the up to date Unwritten Rules

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  13. slider32

    6 years ago

    There will be a lot of contenders trying to sign top pitchers this winter. Teams will have to be willing to overpay for them, it’s supply and demand., I’m not sure the Twins will be in the market for the top tier pitcher.

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    • The Einheri

      6 years ago

      I think it’s possible that the Twins will try to resign Odorizzi and Pineda. I doubt—apart from some lip service given to the press—that the only other way that the Twins will go after pitching this Hot Stove season is to try trading for it.

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      • DarkSide830

        6 years ago

        Stras’s availability makes Odo more signable, as does Pineda’s suspension. Twins have a lot of holes coming, but have solid depth and the inside track on resigning these guys, so theyre not in bad shape.

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  14. The Einheri

    6 years ago

    Wow. I actually thought with this many posts, that at least one of them might be about the Twins’ pitching (or lack therefore of), which was the lead for the article/posting.

    I guess we all know the Twins’ only like to say they’re going after pitching.

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    • macstruts

      6 years ago

      Who is the last coveted free agent the Twins have signed? When Twins talk about spending money, it’s not like fans care all that much.

      When the Yankees or Red Sox or Dodgers or many other teams talk about spending money… fans listen.

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      • The Einheri

        6 years ago

        Yeah, that’s pretty much my take on it. As I said, I was surprised to even see 30+ posts on an article that led off talking about the Twins. And the only post about the Twins was one that wasn’t there when I began typing my own post.

        I hope I’m wrong and that The Twins actually buy at least one quality arm this year.

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    • slider32

      6 years ago

      I think the Twins will try and make a good offer for the second tier pitcher and lock one up early.

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  15. macstruts

    6 years ago

    The problem with the robo ump, is the robo up gets those breaking pitches that break low correct. MLB umpires don’t. Nor to MLB umpires get the corners right.

    Technology moves pretty quick. Much quicker than baseball.

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    • slider32

      6 years ago

      The biggest mistake it that the strike zone should start at the waist and be 1 ft up and 18 inches down from the waist. A robot ump would get that right and it would be the same for Judge, Cruz, or Altuve.

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      • Strike Four

        6 years ago

        “The biggest mistake it that the strike zone should start at the waist and be 1 ft up and 18 inches down from the waist”

        How did you come to this conclusion? Its not in the rules anywhere, you made it up, and decided to totally ignore that Altuve and Judge exist, why?

        Its knees and elbows. Always.

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        • jim stem

          6 years ago

          Actually, it’s top of the hitter’s front knee and armpit. Ball is supposed to be completely below the armpit and completely above the top of the knee, touching any part of the ‘black’.

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        • slider32

          6 years ago

          My point is that everyone should have the same strike zone regardless of size. Years ago most players where the same size.

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      • MoRivera 1999

        6 years ago

        Why should it be the same for Judge and Altuve? Just as Judge’s knee is a different height from the ground than Altuve’s, Altuve’s body is much more compact. You want him to cover from ankle to shoulder? That’s nuts.

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        • slider32

          6 years ago

          Because in every other sport the scoring area is the same for all players, ie the soccer goal or the basketball basket. Altuve is smaller and has much more hand-eye than a taller person, why should he get such a big advantage. The strike zone should be the same for all hitters.

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  16. whyhayzee

    6 years ago

    If they go electronic will the yankees install an automatic dugout ceiling hitting baseball bat?

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  17. realgone2

    6 years ago

    Just because there is technology why does it have to be implemented? This is a baseball game not cancer cure research.

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    • Strike Four

      6 years ago

      Billions of dollars and the American economy is at stake?

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    • macstruts

      6 years ago

      Because pitchers have exceeded the ability of umpires. That game is decided by an umpire who make a thousand dollars a game and not pitchers making a million dollars a game.

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  18. dmarcus15

    6 years ago

    How about this all the umpires that’s zones suck they just fire Angel Hernandez first!

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  19. jorge78

    6 years ago

    That’s because umpires don’t call the top or bottom of the strike zone correctly or consistently…..

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  20. desertbull

    6 years ago

    No robot umps. If I wanted to watch a video game I would buy an Xbox.

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  21. whyhayzee

    6 years ago

    If a robot can call my dang phone at dinner time then it can sure as heck occupy itself calling strikes and balls.

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  22. titanic struggle

    6 years ago

    The day they do that in the bigs I’ll be done with baseball. The current system is the best. some calls go your way and some don’t…it all evens out in the end…

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    • tycobb016

      6 years ago

      There is zero data that says it all evens out in the end.

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    • MoRivera 1999

      6 years ago

      The outcome of games are altered every day of the week. THAT is unacceptable. I vote for consistency and fairness. Guess you have to go.

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  23. ChiSoxCity

    6 years ago

    There’s no logical reason to keep unpires calling balls and strikes anymore. They’re terrible at it, routinely circumvent established rules, and are widely inconsistent. The thumbsucking purists who can’t handle change will whine, but the game will be better. Umpires are still needed behind the plate to call balks, foul tips and plays at the plate, so nobody has to lose their job.

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    • jim stem

      6 years ago

      Just allow the manager to challenge a called strike or ball like he does a play at a base once per game. It’s still strategy and keeps the human element.

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      • dynamite drop in monty

        6 years ago

        How long do you want the games to be?

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      • ChiSoxCity

        6 years ago

        Nuts.

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    • busterhyman

      6 years ago

      You know what pisses me off is all the robots coming to this country and taking all the good umpire jobs. They don’t even pay taxes.

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      • ChiSoxCity

        6 years ago

        Now you know how the natives feel.

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  24. Cam

    6 years ago

    The definition of a strike zone is clear and inarguable. The fact that we have old men interpreting this, while putting their own bias and inconsistency on it before delivering a result, in this day and age, is unacceptable.

    On top of this, I’m tired of the theatrical antics of players and managers arguing balls and strikes. It’s as stale and rehearsed as a bad movie. Give no reason for people to complain like children, make it black and white, and get on with the game.

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  25. Sid Bream

    6 years ago

    No robots. Robots will end commenters criticism in sporting pages as there will be no one to criticise.

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  26. Rallyshirt

    6 years ago

    So, I admit I’m just learning about this technology now, but I do have a question.

    Will this have any effect as it pertains to the perception of HOF greats or the entire history of the game, as we could enter this new era?

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