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Angels Acquire Dylan Bundy

By Steve Adams | December 4, 2019 at 4:16pm CDT

4:16pm: The Orioles have announced the move. Their 40-man roster is down to 37 players.

3:41pm: Also going to the Orioles in the deal are right-handers Zach Peek, Kyle Bradish and Kyle Brnovich, Jeff Passan of ESPN.com reports (Twitter link).

3:06pm: The Angels have reached a deal to acquire right-hander Dylan Bundy from the Orioles, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports (via Twitter). Minor league right-hander Isaac Mattson is among the players headed back to the Orioles in the trade, which should be the first of several moves made to add to the Angels’ rotation this winter. Jon Meoli of the Baltimore Sun reports that the Orioles will acquire a total of four minor league pitchers in the deal (Twitter link).

Dylan Bundy | Tommy Gilligan-USA TODAY Sports

Bundy, 27, was the fourth overall pick by the Orioles back in 2011 and was touted as one of the game’s premier pitching prospects before a slew of injuries slowed his path to the big leagues. Once heralded as a potential ace, he’s instead settled in as a back-of-the-rotation arm in Baltimore, although despite a loss of velocity on his formerly blazing heater, Bundy still creates some optimism that there could be more in the tank.

First and foremost, it should be noted that he’s largely distanced himself from his early-career injury troubles, making 89 starts across the past three seasons as the lone source of consistency in the Baltimore rotation. He’s averaged better than a strikeout per inning over the past two seasons as well, and in 2019 posted a career-high 12.9 percent swinging-strike rate and 35.7 percent opponents’ chase rate on pitches outside the strike zone.

Bundy averages just 91.2 mph on his fastball at this point, but his ability to miss bats is undeniable. Drilling down a bit deeper, the spin rate on Bundy’s fastball ranked in the 95th percentile of MLB hurlers back in 2017 and has fallen in the 86th percentile in each of the past two seasons. His slider has generated whiffs at a near-25 percent clip over the past three seasons as well.

All of that said, Bundy’s bottom-line results simply haven’t been that inspiring since establishing himself as a rotation regular in Baltimore. He’s totaled 503 innings dating back to 2017 but pitched to a lowly 4.83 ERA and 4.76 FIP in that time. Home runs have been a particular problem for Bundy, who served up a league-high 41 long balls in 2018.

Bundy did work to counteract that in 2019, throwing fewer four-seamers and more changeups. The resulting 41.5 percent ground-ball rate was the highest of his career, and if he can continue to induce grounders on a more regular basis, he should be aided by an improved infield defense in Anaheim, where Andrelton Simmons and David Fletcher both grade as standouts with the glove. Simply moving away from Camden Yards and the many hitter-friendly parks the AL East has to offer could also shave a few home runs off his total moving forward as well.

From a contractual standpoint, there’s plenty to like about Bundy. He’ll be eligible for arbitration both this winter and next before reaching the open market upon completion of the 2021 season, and he’s projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn an affordable $5.7MM salary for the upcoming 2020 season.

The Angels, perhaps more than any team in baseball, have been decimated by injuries in recent years, so Bundy’s average of 29.7 starts over the past three seasons alone surely holds appeal to the Halos. He’ll slot into a rotation mix that features a returning Shohei Ohtani (who should be recovered from 2018 Tommy John surgery), Andrew Heaney and youngsters like Griffin Canning, Patrick Sandoval, Jaime Barria and Jose Suarez.

Of course, the Angels are also known to be in the hunt for much bigger fish in free agency this winter, with Gerrit Cole and Stephen Strasburg both rumored to be of interest to GM Billy Eppler and his staff. Other names on the market include Madison Bumgarner, Hyun-Jin Ryu and Dallas Keuchel, and it’d be a rather notable surprise if the Angels didn’t add at least one high-end arm to join Bundy in the updated rotation — be it via free agency or via trade. Given Bundy’s relatively low salary, there’s ample financial room for the Angels to do just that; they’re currently projected to come in around $150MM in 2020 payroll, and their luxury tax considerations are only a bit north of that mark.

Turning to the Orioles’ return, the 24-year-old Mattson, 24 will slot into the upper levels of the Baltimore farm system. He’s not a high-end prospect and wasn’t considered to be among the 30 best minor leaguers in the Angels’ system by either MLB.com or FanGraphs, but he enjoyed a strong 2019 season. A 19th-round pick in 2017, Matttson soared through the Angels’ system with 73 1/3 innings of 2.33 ERA ball and reached Triple-A late in the year. He posted a gaudy 13.5 K/9 mark against 3.3 BB/9 out of the bullpen and went on to post even better numbers in the Arizona Fall League; in 10 2/3 innings of relief in the AFL, Mattson allowed two earned runs (1.69 ERA) on nine hits and three walks with 12 strikeouts. He’s generated average or better ground-ball numbers throughout his minor league tenure and should be a near-term option for the ’pen in Baltimore.

Bradish turned 23 in September and spent the season with the Angels’ Class-A Advanced affiliate after being selected in the fourth round of the 2018 draft. He logged a 4.28 ERA, 10.7 K/9 and 4.7 BB/9 while running up a 43.9 percent ground-ball rate in 101 innings. MLB.com ranked him 21st among Angels prospects, praising his four-pitch mix and deceptive delivery but noting that said delivery also leads to control issues.

Both Peek (sixth round) and Brnovich (eighth round) were college arms drafted by the Angels this summer. However, neither pitched following the draft, as the Angels shut both down per an organizational policy for college arms (as noted by MLB.com’s Joe Trezza, on Twitter). Baseball America ranked Brnovich 107th in the draft class and Peek 193rd, while MLB.com ranked both just inside the top 200 (Peek 178th, Brnovich 185th).

The subtraction of Bundy leaves what already looked to be perhaps the worst rotation in baseball in even more grisly shape, although the Baltimore organization has made it abundantly clear that winning games in 2020 isn’t a priority. To the contrary — the Orioles are quite likely gunning for the No. 1 overall pick in the 2021 draft as part of what looks to be an Astros-esque rebuild under second-year GM Mike Elias (who was hired out of the Houston organization). The next several seasons won’t be pretty for Orioles fans, and there’s no guarantee that they’ll come out on top of this rebuild like the Astros and Cubs did, but their aim to do so is readily evident.

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  1. walls17

    6 years ago

    Good move

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      Huh? What do we know about it really?

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      • walls17

        6 years ago

        he’s got good pitches, he desperately needs a move out of the AL East. Halos get a nice pitcher with upside for a low cost. Shouldn’t be their biggest SP move of the offseason though, if it is their biggest SP move then it’s not good.

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        • myaccount

          6 years ago

          Low cost? 4 pitching prospects is too many for Bundy and Mattson is very underrated.

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        • GoAwayRod

          6 years ago

          Just wait… this is going to be one of the steals of the off-season. Now that he’s out of Baltimore, he’s going to start pitching with some purpose. I think he was phoning it in, protecting his arm while he waited out the O’s.

          Why are you gonna give 110% for a team whose season is over on April 1st? Scale back, show some flashes and bide your time. Dude’s going to be a monster. Also, I bet his average velo ticks up substantially.

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        • StandUpGuy

          6 years ago

          This is the move the Halos decided to make instead of signing Gerrit Cole. They are officially out of the Cole race now. They said a top 4 overall draft pick should be able to take over as their ace.

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        • hiflew

          6 years ago

          I don’t see that this takes them out of the Cole race. It’s not like they only needed one starter to be great.

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        • bencole

          6 years ago

          Uh… so win you become a free agent you have a track record and make lots of money?

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          They are officially out of the Cole race? Oh brother.

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        • vtadave

          6 years ago

          4.91 career ERA on the road. Why would he “phone it in” and negatively impact his earnings power??

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        • Koamalu

          6 years ago

          Mattson is a reliever. He is not a top prospect and at best will be a setup guy in the majors. The other guys are not ever going to sniff the majors. Not a big loss for a guy that averages 30 starts a year. We need an innings eater.

          If Bundy is our only starting pitching addition then we have issues. But as a back of the rotation inning eater Bundy is not a bad add.

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        • noahflesh

          6 years ago

          He’s a troll

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        • #LCDad

          6 years ago

          Lol, settle down. Don’t worry, the Angels will sign Cole or Stras, maybe even both. Arte wants to win now…

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        • mt in baltimore

          6 years ago

          As an Orioles fan,. I hope that you are right–would be nice to see Bundy excel out there in Southern California.

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        • upinflamezzz

          6 years ago

          I’m a Dylan Bundy fan and after reviewing the prospects I think it’s a good move for the Orioles. Bundy always appears out of shape. He’s got tons of talent though. If the O’s trade Mancini, I’m not going to any games this year.

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        • upinflamezzz

          6 years ago

          I’m in Baltimore and watch all the Oriole games. Bundy is a pure pitcher. He changes speeds extremely well. I thought if he went to the NL he’d be a 20 game winner. Not sure how he’ll do in the AL West. He’s still young and pretty good though.

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      • Stevil

        6 years ago

        You mean, other than the names, histories, and potential?

        We know enough to form immediate opinions and time will tell if it’s a win for one or both clubs, or if it does nothing for either of them.

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    • Dbacks44

      6 years ago

      It just feels the Angels try and convert these decent number 4 and 5 type starters into aces. If they get cole then this is a good move. If they try and do what they did with Harvey and Cahill, then we all will be watching a 74 win season.

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    • Goku the Knowledgable One

      6 years ago

      “good move” as in team that desperately needs a proven SP landing the least dependable one ever?

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    • Moneyballer

      6 years ago

      Agree. Dumping Dylan Bundy is a great move for the Orioles!

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  2. throwinched10

    6 years ago

    Don’t worry Mike Trout, your cry for help has been answered…

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    • bigdaddyhacks

      6 years ago

      Bingo. Trout is the new Felix Hernandez. Career wasted on mediocre teams.

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  3. Asmongold

    6 years ago

    Any relation to Al Bundy?

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    • Gwynning's Anal Lover

      6 years ago

      Ted

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      • warwhatisitgoodfor

        6 years ago

        Ted Bundy was a Husky

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      • gooddumps

        6 years ago

        Does that make him a sleeper?

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      • Chebert

        6 years ago

        King Kong

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    • Logjammer D"Baggagecling

      6 years ago

      Yes

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    • jorge78

      6 years ago

      The former star fullback of Polk High School?

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      • Ironman_4life

        6 years ago

        Quarterback. He once threw 4 touchdowns for Polk High.

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        • airyordan

          6 years ago

          Ran for 4 touchdowns…

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        • T_Rexx2

          6 years ago

          I heard it was 5

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    • realgone2

      6 years ago

      Nah, King Kong

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    • Robertowannabe

      6 years ago

      Dylan was an awesome pitcher for Polk High. Set records for strikeouts, shut outs, wins and pitched the team to state championships 4 years running!

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    • trout27

      6 years ago

      O, but he is to Bob Dylan and McGeorge Bundy (how many of you know who he is).

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      • retire21

        6 years ago

        Without Googling, JFK White House or at least JFK era. Right?

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    • DockEllisDee

      6 years ago

      Let’s rock

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    • MrNewYork24

      6 years ago

      Nephew..

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    • joepanikatthedisco

      6 years ago

      Or Ammon Bundy

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  4. DarkSide830

    6 years ago

    feel like this is another Gausman deal. most thought him leaving BAL would help, but it clearly didnt. any faith i had in a Bundy recovery was lost this season, had it not already been lost.

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    • macstruts

      6 years ago

      160+ Innings a WAR of 2.3.

      As a 5th starter, I’ll take it.

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      • Senioreditor

        6 years ago

        Especially out of Camden

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      You’d have to say more about how this is like the Gausman deal. I don’t see it but perhaps you can say more…

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      • DarkSide830

        6 years ago

        in the sense that some believed he could break out outside of Baltimore

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        Dimitrios he’s not even knocking the Orioles here. He’s saying he believes that Bundy won’t improve after leaving Baltimore.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          But he probably should’ve. This looks exactly like the Gausman deal minus the intl money. We got 1 top 30 prospect.
          4 recently drafted—- middle round college arms. From a weak system.

          It ain’t much. Fortunately enough they’re all relatively recent draftees so we’ll have time to get a look at/develop them before having to add to the 40 man. But it’s certainly not some earth shattering return.

          I wasn’t expecting it to be though. Bundy has less value than Gaus did at that time. But there’s really not much to get excited about today from this one. Hopefully one of the four pans out.

          We need to sign a pitcher of some sort this offseason to replace Bundy though. Brooks is gone also. We need innings.

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        • Rexhundler86

          6 years ago

          Actually the Angel’s farm system isn’t weak anymore, but yeah you got lower prospects

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Well I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with that. The Angels farm has been improving but strength is relative. Any major publication that ranks farm systems have the Angels in the bottom third of the league. Once Adell graduates to the major leagues that’s not going to help things either.

          FWIW the best prospect you guys traded away was ranked #21 in your system by MLB.com—-that guy is now the orioles #25 prospect. I can tell you as an orioles fan our #20-30 system prospects are not very good at this point. The team just started utilizing the foreign market so the system depth just isn’t there yet.

          But as it stands today this is a pretty unimpressive return. The orioles didn’t draft any pitchers in the first 9 or 10 rounds of the draft this year. Elias was trying to stock up our basically barren lower minor positional player depth. So this will help get a few more young arms in the system. Maybe we will get lucky here and find some steals. However, this is very similar to what Duquette did in his deadline deals. It’s a quantity approach.

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    • Koamalu

      6 years ago

      2+ WAR 30 starts. 160-170 IP. 100 ERA+. From the #4 or #5 hole? That is good enough for me. Now Billy needs to go get us Cole or Strasburg for the other end of the rotation.

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      • upinflamezzz

        6 years ago

        Bundy is much better than you think. He’ll win 15 with a good team.

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        • Koamalu

          6 years ago

          Wins are a team stat. Much more important that he takes the ball for 30 starts or more and gives us 160 innings or more. If he does that, I will be very happy with the acquisition.

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    • HalosHeavenJJ

      6 years ago

      I also think people overly bank on a significant performance increase simply by leaving Camden and the AL East stadiums behind.

      In Bundy’s case, getting a much better defense behind him should help as should playing in bigger ballparks. I doubt he gets all that much better, but I can see a half run improvement in his ERA, which would be notable.

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  5. bigdaddyt

    6 years ago

    Don’t let this distract you from the the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba “Spare Tire” Dixon.

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  6. delete

    6 years ago

    Angels making a real run at third place

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    • larry48

      6 years ago

      Last more likely

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        6 years ago

        Did you forget the Mariners are in the same division?

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  7. macstruts

    6 years ago

    I trust Callaway, but he needs to start the season as a #5. The Angels need Cole and a catcher.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      he might already be the 5 depending on how well the pack (Barria, Sandoval, Suarez, Peters, etc) do in spring training, and when Sho is expected to be ready.

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      • macstruts

        6 years ago

        Those guys are 6th through 9th. And if things go the same way they have the last four years. They’ll start over half the Angels’ games.

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        • DarkSide830

          6 years ago

          im saying currently. if the season started today, you need one of them to be the 5th.

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          In that case, If one of them opens in the rotation, the Angels are in big big trouble.

          The Angels need Cole. This gives them more financial space to make it happen. I also hope they add Castro. And I’d take a chance on Bentances.

          Bundy eats innings. That’s a good thing.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Ehhhh. I wouldn’t refer to him as an innings eater. he’s typically a 5-6 inning pitcher. Not going to confuse him for a real innings eater like a Mike Leake

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          The game has changed. The last three years he’s tenth in the AL in Innings Pitched. As an Angel fan, I’ll take that.

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        • burnt_reynolds

          6 years ago

          5-6 innings over 30 starts is most definitely an “innings-eater” in today’s game. Come on now, pay attention.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          I’m going to have a different definition of what an innings eater is. I’m not sitting here knocking him I just don’t consider a guy who throws 160 innings a year to be an innings eater. The bar is higher for me anyway

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          Top ten the last three years. I think you should change your definition.

          As far as innings, he fits right in there with Fiers and Gibson.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Hey, look if you want to call him an innings eater go right ahead. A guy with a career high of 171 innings isn’t an “innings eater” in my mind. Consistent? Yeah he’s consistent.

          Though I wonder if those innings would go down if he were on a better team. The Orioles have been extremely bad the past 2 seasons so it’s not as if there was an urgency to Yank Dylan. So we shall see.

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        • Koamalu

          6 years ago

          1 out difference between those two. Last 3 seasons – Bundy 5.65 IP per start. Leake 6.02 IP per start.

          Leake would have cost a lot more in trade.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          Look I have absolutely no issue with the Angels getting Bundy. I never said that. Leake has tossed 186, 186, and 197 innings the last 3 years. That’s what an innings eater is to me. Maybe I need to adjust my perception downward but that’s my feeling. A guy who has maxed out at 171 innings and typically sits in the 165 range isn’t that to me.

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          You’re the one who corrected me. Fine, don’t call him an innings eater.

          He makes every start, top ten in the AL in IP over the last three years, I’ll call him an innings eater.

          You don’t. Why do you correct me if you don’t want me to challenge you?

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        • Jbigz12

          6 years ago

          I’m confused? I’m not upset about you challenging me on it. That’s cool, we can disagree. You made a valid a point.

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          Yes, we can disagree. Maybe I’m the one out of whack. The last Angel pitcher to throw back to back seasons of 160+ innings was Richards in 2014 and 2015.

          Being an Angel fan 160 IP sounds Herculean. 🙂

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  8. fighting69th

    6 years ago

    Like this fit.. could bounce back nicely

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      Bundy is a good pitcher. He progressed this last year (I shudder to think how the O’s were developing him prior to the Elias regime) and he should continue to do so.

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      • vtadave

        6 years ago

        Yep cut that FIP all the way down to 4.73.

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      • Phaedrus002

        6 years ago

        Really?? Dude is a lifetime 4.79 era

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  9. pburns65

    6 years ago

    Bundy stinks

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  10. rxbrgr

    6 years ago

    Most likely a quantity over quality approach by Elias.

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    • dimitrios in la

      6 years ago

      Yep I’m sure a guy like Elias had quality far from his mindwhen he made this deal.

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  11. matt4baseball

    6 years ago

    Pitching Frenzy!!! Seems AA’s early move has made all the GMs scurry for any pitchers they can get. Except for AA they think all the same way. Bundy has terrible stats, I wouldn’t expect much from him.

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  12. jdgoat

    6 years ago

    Thank God. He always shut down the Blue Jays even when he’s had trash seasons.

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    • its_happening

      6 years ago

      …ain’t that the truth.

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    • nlp31

      6 years ago

      Not saying much…

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Bundy shut down the Jays back when the Jays could actually hit. Aside from a rough outing or two in 2018 he has owned Toronto his entire career. He has a shot at being on the Jays level of excellence.

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  13. Evan Siggson

    6 years ago

    No problem with this if he’s the third best SP Angels add.

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    • larry48

      6 years ago

      He is first

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  14. Dephy

    6 years ago

    It’s a nice start but they need a Cole or Strasburg and even then, the trash banging Astros are a better team.

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    • Phaedrus002

      6 years ago

      there is no $$$ left to obtain that type of pitching. I think the Angels are suffering from the curse of Nolan Ryan…doomed to a lifetime of mediocre teams

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      • prov356

        6 years ago

        The Angels have plenty of money for Cole or Strasburg and a decent catcher while staying below the tax line.

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  15. Pingleja

    6 years ago

    Bundy for a 24 yr old minor league reliever…. I think I would risk rebuilding his value and trading him at the deadline if that’s the best option on the table.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      that’s just part, though i cant imagine its a big name prospect as well. looks like the Gausman quantity over quality approach.

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  16. CrewBrew

    6 years ago

    Cole who?

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  17. Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker

    6 years ago

    Not a bad move but unfortunately it’ll be received by the fan base as a “WTH” move only because it’s coming before, the hopefully, big signing.

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    • Phaedrus002

      6 years ago

      There is no “big” signing coming!! This is the team that extended the contract, for $20million p/y, for a lifetime 266 hitter and 172 K’s per season….they are locked in with Pujols and the best move was paying Trout…but how long will he stay when they are bringing in more CJ Wilson type pitchers and giving away a Mattson who shows some great potential. You can’t buy a playoff spot with a Bundy…sorry boys

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      • prov356

        6 years ago

        Well, the Winter meetings haven’t even happened yet so this is not their last acquisition of the winter. Pujols is off the books soon freeing up more money in the near future.

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      • Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker

        6 years ago

        Your post lacks simple logic… smh.

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        • sithdude

          6 years ago

          Smh too …. obviously doesn’t know the team. Bundy is a nice surprise pickup

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        • Ohtani-san

          6 years ago

          People get so emotional lol calm down buddy, the halos aren’t anywhere close to being done making moves.

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  18. lonestardodger

    6 years ago

    4 pitchers headed to Baltimore? Must be some lower level lottery ticket types in the other three

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  19. astrosbox8

    6 years ago

    He allowed 41 home runs in one season! Geez that’s really horrible, and so is his other stats. Not great

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  20. bravesfan

    6 years ago

    Omg thank god! This is the type of guy the Braves would go get via trade and I was freaking out that we would. The angels can have that train wreck. He’s no good

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  21. Setzer

    6 years ago

    Oh good. Another Matt Harvey signing. Dude is a #4 or 5 at best.

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    • macstruts

      6 years ago

      It could be. But as I said. Callaway knows how to develop pitching. I think Callaway influence is going to be greater than anyone realizes.

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    • Setzer

      6 years ago

      Sorry, I should have said “Another Matt Harvey acquisition”.

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    • sithdude

      6 years ago

      A 4th or 5th pitcher is all they need him to be

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  22. philsphan1979

    6 years ago

    Could be worse…like giving Wheeler a 5 yr 116 mil deal

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  23. maximumvelocity

    6 years ago

    Solid No. 5 starter. Just what every team needs.

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  24. Mr.Ward14

    6 years ago

    1:
    2:
    3: Ohtani
    4: Heaney
    5: Bundy
    6: Canning

    Meh…

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    • macstruts

      6 years ago

      For someone who list Cannon as an Angel pitcher, that tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of the Angels.

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      • Mr.Ward14

        6 years ago

        It was autocorrect, breh. Get over yourself.

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          If the Angels add two pitchers better than Ohtani, then not MEH..

          Get over yourself.

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    • Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker

      6 years ago

      Cole and Bumgardner as the 1 and 2. Solid.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      Canning cound and would start on most teams.

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    • hiflew

      6 years ago

      When did Ohtani become a stable rotation pitcher? Let alone ahead of the guys you listed. The guy has pitched like 12 games in his career and zero for almost 2 years.

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      • macstruts

        6 years ago

        Then # the A’s rotation. Where does the PED user with half a season rank? I’m just asking for some perspective.

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        • hiflew

          6 years ago

          PED usage aside, I think less of Montas than most people on pitching alone. He is overrated in my book. As far as numbers go, I don’t care about stuff like that. 5 starters in the rotation, their order is just arbitrary.

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          Just saying because the A’s rotation is filled with the same kind of question marks.

          If the Angels get Cole. HUGE if, I’ll take the Angels rotation over the A’s.

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    • Koamalu

      6 years ago

      #1 – Cole/Strasburg
      #2 – Ohtani
      #3 – Heaney
      #4 – Canning
      #5 – Bundy

      Very nice. 5 guys at or above league average means lots of wins.

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      • Ohtani-san

        6 years ago

        Just personally speaking, I hope they sign cole and Strasburg (Christmas miracle?), and push Heaney out of that rotation.

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  25. californiaangels

    6 years ago

    always like Bundy, worst case a #4.. potential #3 . as long as we didn’t send any of out top 10 prospects I’m happy

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    • vtadave

      6 years ago

      * best case a #4

      fixed it

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      • astrosbox8

        6 years ago

        *best case a #5

        Let’s be realistic here

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        • vtadave

          6 years ago

          I was trying to be nice.

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    • Phaedrus002

      6 years ago

      they did….Mattson who’s shown some real upside potential

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  26. its_happening

    6 years ago

    If the Angels snag one of the top arms, Bundy might become a bullpen piece. Or not.

    Heaney, Canning, Sandoval, Barria, Suarez, Othani all attempting to secure starting spots.

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    • macstruts

      6 years ago

      Heaney and Canning have secured rotation spots.

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Further driving home that Bundy might be utilized as a reliever.

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          He might be, or the Angels might go with six starters. Heaney and Ohtani are injury concerns. Canning is young.

          These guys are a lot like the A’s young pitchers but few people have really taken the time to compare Canning, Ohtani and Heaney to A’s young pitching. I

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      • Koamalu

        6 years ago

        Ohtani, Heaney and Canning have secured spots in the rotation. Bundy will slot in behind those 3. All we need now is a guy to stand at the top of that list.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      how is Heaney not a virtual lock yet?

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      • its_happening

        6 years ago

        Guys like Heaney are locks?

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          Providing Heaney is healthy, he’s a lock.

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        • Phiilies2020

          6 years ago

          Heaney is a former first round pick who’s shown flashes of brilliance. I think Callaway can get the best out Heaney, Bundy and Canning. The Angels should absolutely sign Cole, Strasburg or both. That would make a formidable rotation. They have the best player on the planet, the best defensive SS in the game and a great manager. I think if they can add one of the aces and improve around the margins, that they can be competitive this year and beyond. They need a stop gap RF until Adell is ready, a catcher and at least one reliever.

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  27. Allinws

    6 years ago

    Should be a perfect fit in Anaheims inability to have any healthy pitching

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    • vtadave

      6 years ago

      61 starts the last two years.

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    • Koamalu

      6 years ago

      30 starts a year the past 3 seasons.

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  28. FishyHalo

    6 years ago

    Soooo it’s looking like the Angels are gonna drop 40 mil AAV for Cole. Trying to add cheaper pitchers to fill out the rotation.
    We need like 2 high quality arms… still.

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    • Mr.Ward14

      6 years ago

      trAdition! This is the Angel way! They’ll spend all their money in Cole dumpster dive for remaining players and delude themselves into thinking they’re contenders… then they’ll fire Eppler at the end of the season and start the process all over again.

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      • larry48

        6 years ago

        How many pitchers on the roster today will be ready for spring training health-wise with no limits.

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    • Koamalu

      6 years ago

      We are adding Ohtani as well since he didn’t pitch last season. If we add Cole that makes our rotation Cole, Ohtani, Heaney, Canning. Bundy. A healthy Heaney is a good #3. Canning showed promise as a rookie. .

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  29. angt222

    6 years ago

    For that return, the Mets should have made an offer.

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  30. evilempire28

    6 years ago

    Angels aren’t making the playoffs even if they get Cole. Mlb can suspend a quarter of the Astros team and they still won’t catch them.

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    • i like al conin

      6 years ago

      Not even a Wild Card spot?

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    • larry48

      6 years ago

      Would Cole even sign with the Angles with no chance at play offs?

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      • imindless

        6 years ago

        Didnt stop trout

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        • Koamalu

          6 years ago

          Trout wasn’t a FA.

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  31. Jim Carter

    6 years ago

    Bundy could become a star with actual major league quality players behind him. I always thought a stadium like Oakland’s would be an ideal home for him.

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  32. Thurman8er

    6 years ago

    Glad to see at least some fans realize that this is just one move the Angels are making. Obviously they still need an ace and a #2 or #3 SP. But I’ll take Bundy as a #5.

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  33. DTD_ATL

    6 years ago

    I like the moves for both teams. The O’s get a ton of prospects and the Angels get a guy with upside on the cheap.

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  34. Frahm_

    6 years ago

    Image trading for Dylan bundy

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    • Thurman8er

      6 years ago

      Huh?

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      • dynamite drop in monty

        6 years ago

        Image trading is what the kids call baseball card swapping nowadays

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        • niched

          6 years ago

          Kids still trade baseball cards? Where – on Instagram?

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  35. dirkg

    6 years ago

    We all know this is just the start of the Angel’s pitching haul this offseason. I like this move to start things off. I think Jon Gray (Rockies) would be another good trade candidate.

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  36. terrymesmer

    6 years ago

    This trade should get Texas and Seattle a few more wins.

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  37. imindless

    6 years ago

    As of now would have to think canning, sandoval, bundy, heaney, ohtani are the starters. I think suarez can be good but needs a year or 2 more to fine tune his pitches. I think that mickey callaway has his work cut out for him but if he can turn around the indians and mets rotations he can do the same with the angels.

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    • HalosHeavenJJ

      6 years ago

      Apparently last year’s pitching coach, Doug White, messed with Suarez. Had him out on the mound thinking about all kinds of stuff instead of focusing on what works for him.

      Hopefully Callaway can get his head straight and let him get back on track.

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      • macstruts

        6 years ago

        I doubt Suarez breaks camp with the big league club,

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      • Koamalu

        6 years ago

        Suarez is 21. His problems had nothing to do with White. They had to do with him not having confidence in his stuff against major league hitters and trying to nibble on the edges of the plate too much.

        He needs to go back to the minors and work on his command. Since he does not throw hard, he needs to have laser-like command every time out or he will get lit up. .

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    • Koamalu

      6 years ago

      Bundy is in the rotation. #2-#5 it goes Ohtani, Heaney, Canning, Bundy. The rest are depth for the inevitable injury fill in. Billy has to go get us a starter like Cole or Strasburg to lead that staff.

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      • imindless

        6 years ago

        I think he also needs to go heavy in the next draft on high end pitching prospects. I love the high school toolsy players but there are only 3 outfield spots.

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  38. Phiilies2020

    6 years ago

    I’ve been saying that this is the year Bundy puts it all together. A change of scenery should benefit this guy greatly. Considering the Angels aren’t sending back any tier 1 prospects, this is a move in the right direction of fixing that rotation

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  39. queensburykid

    6 years ago

    The Orioles are going to recruit at the five-year-old t-ball league. They are looking for power arms. The Angelos family needs to ousted by MLB.

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  40. nentwigs

    6 years ago

    Angels are also in line to acquire AL BUNDY !!

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  41. Jrmomo1000

    6 years ago

    Tanner Roark and mad bum would give more innings for less money than Cole.

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    • vtadave

      6 years ago

      Yeah combining the innings of two starters usually results in a higher number than one starter.

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  42. HalofaninHtown

    6 years ago

    Well as a long time fan looks like Arte is going to go cheap again. I expect them to sign Miley and Wood or Roark next and try to see what they can do. Trout deserves better if Arte is going to continue to be cheap and not even try to get some guys then they might as well just trade him. I hate saying that.

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  43. Mystery Team

    6 years ago

    Angels gonna Angel. You poor Angel’s fans, the finishing blow will come when the Yankees sign Cole. Don’t worry though they’ll leave you glass arm Strasburg who for the first time managed to make it through a whole season without injury, and no it wasn’t a coincidence that it happened to be his walk year. As soon as the ink dries on his contract that elbow or shoulder will start barking.

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    • Phiilies2020

      6 years ago

      At first I thought Cole was a lock to sign with the Angels but the more I read from these baseball sites, the more I think he will be a Yankee. I think you are right, and I agree that Stras is not going to provide value on his next contract. I’m glad the Phillies got Wheeler for about 80mil and 1 or 2 less years than it will take to ink Stras.

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  44. Eatdust666

    6 years ago

    LMAO

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  45. Bluemarlin528

    6 years ago

    Lets face it, Bundy would have been our #1 start last year.(look at the starters WAR last year). Anything is an upgrade over Cahill, Harvey & Dillion Peters.

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  46. thetruth 2

    6 years ago

    They’re not getting Cole, this is their big pitching move.

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    • DarkSide830

      6 years ago

      i think theyll get am impact arm, but its probably not Cole. i see someone like Ryu as their consolation prize.

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    • larry48

      6 years ago

      Why would Cole sign with Angels?

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  47. Koamalu

    6 years ago

    Dumpster diving by Eppler. At his best Bundy has never been better than average. Guess we got a guy to take up the back of the rotation and eat some innings. The price was a bunch of guys that will never make it as a starter in the majors so no big deal but we are going to need several more pitchers to take their place in the system. Where is our Ace Billy?

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    • Phaedrus002

      6 years ago

      maybe not, but that Mattson kid shows some upside potential and could probably exceed Bundy’s 4.79 lifetime ERA…huge gamble on a less than mediocre pitcher

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      • Bart

        6 years ago

        troll

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      • Koamalu

        6 years ago

        Mattson is already a reliever. He will not be a starter in the majors.

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  48. bigbadjohnny

    6 years ago

    A fair pitcher who can be a big time pitcher now !

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    • Phaedrus002

      6 years ago

      a fair pitcher….he’s a 4.79 lifetime ERA and a 1.30+ WHIP what you have here is the second coming of CJ Wilson….if Arte keeps paying mediocre players like Upton $20million per annum there will be NO cash to pay free agents…and he gave away a kid with some real upside potential, Mattson. Time will tell about Mattson, but his numbers were pretty good in the minors, which may not equate to MLB numbers but your not paying huge dollars to find out. That Angel front office needs someone making some more PRAGMATIC decision making ability.

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  49. bigbadjohnny

    6 years ago

    Phillies got Wheeler for five years !

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  50. paindonthurt

    6 years ago

    Nice pick up for them. Not a wow move but fills a need.

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    • Phaedrus002

      6 years ago

      Ah, with a 4.79 lifetime ERA and a 1.30+ WHIP….Arte needs someone in his ear about these moves…for instance Upton for 20 million a year for a .266 lifetime average and an average 172 K’s every year. Those strikeouts don’t put the ball in play, move a runner over or get a run in from thirdbase!!!. Trout is pulling his hair out wondering what these fools will do next

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      • Koamalu

        6 years ago

        2+ WAR 30 starts. 160-170 IP. 100 ERA+. From the #4 or #5 hole. It’s not a bad pickup at all and we gave up 4 relievers and none with high upside. Mattson is the best of them and he might eventually be a middle reliever in the majors. Yawn. .

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  51. Phaedrus002

    6 years ago

    This is another episode of The Emperor Has No Clothes!!! Arte Moreno has surrounded himself with a bunch of “YES”men. He signs strikeout artist and mediocre outfielder, Upton, to a big contract then throws the Mattson kid in a trade for Bundy. Ah, just another CJ Wilson with a “5” ERA and horrendous WHIP. Did anyone read Mattson’s upside potential. Sure these minor league stats don’t always indicate success in the ‘show’…but come on Arte, you could have certainly replaced Upton, saved a ton of cash, and bought a better pitching option. How long is Trout going to want to be surrounded by a cast of mediocre players and maybe get to .500 year after year. A change in the front office is needed so someone will tell the emperor he has not clothes!!!!

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  52. DarkSide830

    6 years ago

    did the Angels just look at their list of 2019 draft picks to formulate this trade?

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    • andrewgauldin

      6 years ago

      That’s what I’m seeing. Lots of pitchers given up in this trade. One of them is bound to bite them in the behind in the future

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    • Phaedrus002

      6 years ago

      That Mattson kid had some real upside potential and traded away for an almost 5 ERA…but then again they gave Upton a raise to $20 million a year for 172 K’s a year and a 266 average – those are pretty good stats for a pitcher though

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      • Bart

        6 years ago

        We know, Tourettes Boy.

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  53. slider32

    6 years ago

    The Philles and Braves got pitchers today, the musical chairs has started. The Sox out bid the Phillies and they still lost out. That shows that their are more factors than money in play for some players. I thought Hamels was going to the Phillies or Padres and he ends up in Atlanta. I think Cole is huge for the Angels as he is for the Yanks. I think the Yanks will be the highest bidder for Cole, but does that mean he is playing for the Yanks? I think so

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    • Phaedrus002

      6 years ago

      Ah, you can’t pay Cole or Strass big bux if you’re Arte Moreno….because he spent all his money on an Upton and gets a lifetime 266 ave and 172 strikeouts every year. Plus, giving away a young potential arm to get a 4.79 Bundy ERA….this trade is shades of CJ Wilson a 5.00 ERA annually….somebody needs to talk some sense into Arte or Trout will be wanting out SOON

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      • prov356

        6 years ago

        Glad to see someone who agrees with me about Upton. He’s an overpaid mediocre player who has fooled the baseball world into thinking he’s great.

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  54. miltpappas

    6 years ago

    Huge overpay for one of the most over-rated pitchers of the last 5 years.

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  55. macstruts

    6 years ago

    This actually makes it more likely the Angels will sign Cole. It makes it less likely they will add two free agent starters which means they have more money for one.

    The Angels payroll is going up. If the Angels don’t add Cole, then it’s going down.

    Even adding Ryu or MadBum would make their payroll go down.

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  56. Phaedrus002

    6 years ago

    they did….Mattson who’s shown some real upside potential

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    • Bart

      6 years ago

      Upside potential, you say?

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    • Koamalu

      6 years ago

      Mattson is a reliever. His upside is maybe becoming a setup man in a year or two.

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  57. dynamite drop in monty

    6 years ago

    Gimme all yer Kyles

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  58. imindless

    6 years ago

    People also forget in 2 years pujols deal is gone same as upton. Even if they sign 2 starters this winter or cole and a catcher they stand to add over the next few years while still building the farm.

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  59. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    We can assume the O’s had decent reports on the two 2019 Draft choices, and may have considered drafting them themselves; teams don’t toss out scouting reports just because they didn’t draft a player.

    As for the other two, Elias may have relied a bit on his old friends in Houston, since they share minor affiliates in the same leagues, and the O’s don’t. Or it’s a trade that’s been kicked around for quite a while, maybe since mid-season; and the O’s have shadowed the Angels’ farm.

    It doesn’t look like a BAD return for Bundy, who still has SOME upside, tho it seems to be dwindling. Quantity is a good thing when rebuilding an organization. Besides the obvious high-impact guys in San Diego and Tampa (Gore, Franco et al) what makes them the top 2 farms is that their #10 guys are likely #5 guys in most organizations.

    Pretty fair trade, especially since Bundy’s no longer cheap.

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  60. shas

    6 years ago

    Bundy is considered by many to be the best high school pitcher of all time. He finished his first pro season in Single A with a 0 ERA and sub-1.00 BAA. Threw a 99 MPH fastball and two breaking balls. Then his elbow went an it’s been a slow slog back to health. At worst, he’s an innings eater who keeps you in games and has become a smarter pitcher. If they can get his velocity back up a couple ticks, he’s always been capable of being dominant. The Orioles have a recent history of giving up on pitchers just before they become great for another club.

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  61. cnseekatz

    6 years ago

    I like it. We needed someone whose arm won’t fall off after 3 starts. Consistency with a tick of upside for a minimal cost? Sounds good!

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  62. Rob66

    6 years ago

    I think the Orioles did well in this trade. Bundy would have been gone before they were good again,
    I also think the Angels did alright too. They must be hoping that Bundy pulls an Arrieta-like transformation.

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  63. Amanda2019

    6 years ago

    as a red sox fan im glad to see the 1 good pitcher Baltimore had leaving the division( even though we took him deep everytime he pitched) good luck in Anaheim! wont improve the team much, awful rotation and a very average team

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  64. Saint Chris

    6 years ago

    Just another Angels off season. Phillies get Wheeler. Braves get Hamels. Angels get…Dylan f-ing Bundy?

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    • cnseekatz

      6 years ago

      Think the Angels are all done? Stop it…

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      • macstruts

        6 years ago

        The Angels said their payroll will go up.

        Who are they not paying.
        Allen, Harvey, Cahill, Calhoun, Bour.

        They have a lot of money to add a Cole. And they really need to add a Cole.

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        • cnseekatz

          6 years ago

          They have the money to add Cole and a #2 starter. I have no problems with Bundy sliding in at #5, or as a long-reliever.

          I love when the first move a team makes is minor and everyone loses their mind…

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        • rocky7

          6 years ago

          There are several owners who “have the money” to sign Cole….the question is does Mr. Moreno want to spend $200 Million+ on 1 pitcher who he’ll be tied to for the next 7 years……and if they do indeed need a #2 (what happened to the great Ohtani?), the added cost to do that with a pitcher like Wheeler getting the deal he just did will cause the fault line in SoCal to thunder to life.
          Bottom line….don’t think so!

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        • macstruts

          6 years ago

          Moreno will offer the money, who knows if Cole takes it.

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        • cnseekatz

          6 years ago

          A few teams will throw money at Cole. The good ol’ fashioned home-cooking and Mike Trout will tip the scales for the Angels. Then they’ll still need to go after a #2/3 guy. They may have to get creative in the trade market to land a starter, or to shed enough payroll to buy one… but I believe that’s what they’ll do.

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  65. Kk3445

    6 years ago

    Good move. He’ll be no higher than a #4 starter for them hopefully.

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  66. kingsfan1968

    6 years ago

    Angels love the has-beens. They will next trade for JA unHaapy.

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  67. gorav114

    6 years ago

    As an Os fan this move saddens me greatly. He gets better every season and his value was only getting better despite getting closer to free agency. This move was done to early in the name of tanking. If the Orioles don’t care why should I.

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  68. Mikel Grady

    6 years ago

    No team is signing both Cole and Strasburg . Stop please

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  69. neurogame

    6 years ago

    So the Angels now have a nice mixture of #3, #4 and #5 starters with have a potential #1/#2 starter coming off TJ and on an innings limit. They’ve got to get two other pitchers to slot infront of Ohtani. He can’t be expected to carrying a rotation.

    I’d tell Artie to go over the luxury tax to sign some elite arms since Pujols will be coming off the books soon and he’ll make his money back with fans coming to watch a competitive team.

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  70. MrAngelFan

    6 years ago

    As an Angel fan, I like the move, but at the same time this is not the power move I am looking for. I do have optimism that Bundy can at least be as good as Skaggs or Heaney, possibly even a little better. He is someone that we know has been able to take the ball every fifth day which the Angels sorely lack. It would be nice to add another horse at the top of the rotation, either Cole or Strasburg. I personally would prefer Cole. Since it is Christmas, I would also like Ryu, but the Angels dont tend to spend on pitching. This move is good move, but a move that by itself is not groundbreaking.. Nothing that will make us a playoff contender.

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  71. crazylarry

    6 years ago

    Typical Eppler the “ Genius” move here. Give up 4 prospects when probably a can of corn would of got him. The next move will be $12 million a year to someone like Homer Bailey and some crap lefty reliever.

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  72. MZ311

    6 years ago

    Great move by LAA. Bundy should be a real solid 2-3 for them.

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  73. larry48

    6 years ago

    Angels sucked in 2019 and will suck in 2020 if they don’t fix the teams hitting. Angels were negative 99 runs scored. Angels only scored 769 runs Astros scored 920 and athletics scored 845. If angels don’t get better hitters they will scoreless. Pitching alone will no help!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • cnseekatz

      6 years ago

      It’s called triage. You have to assign degrees of urgency to your problems and then treat the worst ones first. For the Angels, the worst problems are starting pitching, starting pitching, and then starting pitching… in that order.

      Reply
  74. Baseballer2021

    4 years ago

    Anyone here after Bundy’s best year and him being named 2021 Opening Day starter?

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