With MVPs Cody Bellinger and Mookie Betts sharing a lineup with thumpers like Justin Turner, Max Muncy, and Corey Seager, the Los Angeles Dodgers lineup is stacked. That’s five players who have proved capable of posting 5-6 WAR seasons. We can even include A.J. Pollock in that group (6.8 fWAR in 2015) if we’re being generous – though it would open some eyes to see Pollack produce at that level again (even for a 60-game span). The ceiling hasn’t been set on youngsters like Will Smith and Gavin Lux, who could very well enter that elite territory with a best-case development future. There’s no denying that the Dodgers have a loaded lineup – but has there been a more MVP-loaded lineup in recent history?
The most stacked lineup of the last twenty years belongs to an 85-win, 3rd place St. Louis Cardinals team from 2003. “Most-stacked,” of course, isn’t exactly an official metric, so let me define it. Fangraphs explains fWAR in their glossary by classifying a “good player” as worth 3-4 fWAR, an “All-Star” to be worth 4-5 fWAR, and a “superstar” as worth 5-6 fWAR. But for the “most-stacked” lineup, we want the cream of the crop. Fangraphs classifies MVPs as those worth 6+ fWAR in a given season, so I went looking for the lineup with the most “MVPs”, and I found the unequivocal champ with the 2003 St. Louis Cardinals.
Not only did the Cardinals carry four MVP-caliber bats that season, but they’re the only team since 2000 to accomplish that feat. There have been four other teams since 2000 with three bats in the lineup worth 6+ fWAR (2004 Orioles, 2003 Braves, 2004 Cardinals, 2011 Red Sox) – but only Tony La Russa’s Cardinals fielded a quartet of such players.
Albert Pujols (9.5 fWAR), Jim Edmonds (6.3 fWAR), Edgar Renteria (6.3 fWAR), and Scott Rolen (6.2 fWAR) each put up an “MVP-like” seasons in 2003. The 23-year-old Pujols would have been a shoo-in to snag the actual NL MVP, but that was the era of supernova Barry Bonds, who won his third of four consecutive MVPs (10.2 fWAR) that season.
The Cardinals finished 5th in the majors in runs scored with 876, second in total fWAR on offense, fourth in wRC+. J.D. Drew, Tino Martinez, and Bo Hart were productive members of the lineup, So Taguchi gave them 59 plate appearances with a 109 wRC+, and Eduardo Perez (122 wRC+) was a successful power bat off the bench. Only at catcher did they really struggle offensively, where Mike Matheny hit .252/.320/.356 to total 0.4 fWAR while starting 121 games behind the dish. In short, the offense did its part.
Unfortunately, the entirety of the Cardinals pitching staff mustered just 7.3 fWAR. They finished 19th in ERA, 22nd in FIP, and 26th in home runs per nine innings. The bullpen was a particular disaster, finishing the season dead last in the majors with -1.8 fWAR. The rotation boasted legitimate arms in Woody Williams, Matt Morris, and less so, Brett Tomko. Dan Haren made an okay major league debut with 14 starts and a 5.08 ERA/4.57 FIP.
That said, they could have done without the 55 starts from Garrett Stephenson, in what would be his last dash as an MLB hurler, Sterling Hitchcock in his second-to-last season, 40-year-old Jeff Fassero, and Jason Simontacchi, who was coming off a surprisingly decent rookie season at age-28.
Giving 34 percent of their starts to suboptimal contributors didn’t pave the runway for the bullpen to take flight, but the relief crew struggled all their own. In particular, the main culprits were (again) Fassero (56 games, 6.52 ERA/6.13 FIP), Dustin Hermanson (23 games, 5.46 ERA/5.49 FIP), Russ Springer (17 games, 8.31 ERA/8.97 FIP), and Esteban Yan (39 games, 6.02 ERA/5.59 FIP). It didn’t help that injuries limited closer Jason Isringhausen to 40 games and 22 saves. He would otherwise anchor the Cardinals’ bullpens of that era.
The 2003 Cardinals paint a picture of the difficulties in team-building. Four monster seasons making up half their everyday lineup, and still the Cardinals only managed to eke out a third-place finish. They underperformed their Pythagorean record, but only by three wins. The Cubs won the division with exactly 88 wins, overperforming their Pythagorean record by – you guessed it – three wins.
Things can go right – so right – in any given season, and it still might not be enough to counterbalance what goes wrong. That’s not to say that the 2020 Dodgers are in trouble – but their spot in the postseason is hardly assured. The ’03 Cardinals had the most MVP-level bats of any team in the past 20 years, and yet it was only enough for 85 wins. The margin for error will only be smaller in a short season.
Of course, here’s the other funny little part of baseball. Pujols/Rolen/Edmonds/Renteria couldn’t power their way to the postseason in 2003, but the foundation in St. Louis was solid. They did reach the postseason in 2002, 2004, 2005, and 2006. La Russa’s Cardinals capped off the run with a World Series title. That season, they finished with 83 wins, one less than the “disappointment” their stacked lineup produced in 2003.
So the most-stacked lineup of the millennium missed the playoffs, and the “worst” division winner of the millennium won the World Series. If that’s not a good primer for the chaos to come in a short season, I don’t know what is.
thegreatbambi3
After 2003, signed Chris Carpenter as a FA, and traded JD Drew for Jason Marquis, Ray King and a prospect… Adam Wainwright
LouisianaAstros
Cubs fans were pretty cocky then. Thinking they were about to win the NL Central for the next 10 years.
How things quickly turned. Astros and Cardinals played in the next two NLCS.
PutPeteinthehall
You’re right. The Astros also attempted to play in the 2005 WS
Warisalie
Comment of the year lol
Lanidrac
Technically, they signed Carpenter a year earlier while knowing that he would miss the entire 2003 season recovering from injury.
Briffle2
I know Wainwright has had an amazing career, but from the Braves perspective it was a good trade. They were on the back end of their decade plus long dominance and they needed to replace Sheffield’s bat in the lineup to keep it going. It was a seemless transition and Drew had his best and healthiest season of his career for the Braves. I can’t remember the exact number, but I know he had a really long streak of reaching base safely during the season.
And with the Braves declining a few seasons later, Wainwright wouldn’t have made a difference anyway, but Drew certainly did.
ruthlesslyabsurd
That’s some pretty strong revisionist history there. Even with Drew’s great season the Braves don’t get past the NLDS so you can’t argue he was essential to any success. They win the division by 10 games so replacing Drew with a full season of DeWayne Wise or some replacement player is likely no different.
And then their “decline” a few years later, with seasons of 84 wins, 86 wins, 91 wins (playoffs) 89 wins, 94 wins (playoffs) and 96 wins (playoffs) – you don’t think having Adam Wainwright and his 40 WAR might perhaps have helped a bit? “Wouldn’t have made a difference anyway.” Guy with a career postseason ERA of 2.81 might not have helped a team that can’t get out of the first round?
johnnydubz
Braves won 68 games in 08 not 86.
Joggin’George
Drew did well for the Braves… if you can ever justify trading a top prospect for a very good vet this trade is one of those times… notice I said, “if”.
17dizzy
Great move to trade and get Wainwright in the deal. Plus signing Chris Carpenter. Oh—-That’s right——Mozeliak was not the General Manager——- that’s why those moves turned out great!!!
619bird
You forgot the failed bullpen experiment of Pedro Bourbon Jr. I think he was in Indy ball when the club signed him to a minors deal and then brought him up for a handful of forgettable performances.
The pitching was a disaster that season and it seemed Dewitt didn’t want to do anything to help it out.
DarkSide830
proof of how flawed these “advanced metrics” are
dorfmac
Not really. The metrics showed that some players were good, and others were bad. Put them together, and you got a team that finished right in the middle of their division.
restingmitchface
I’m surprised a traditionalist (such as you appear to be) would read this as an indictment of modern stats. Did you get a chance to read past the title?
WarkMohlers
Wouldn’t it prove how they aren’t that flawed? It shows the flaw of not looking at the entirety of advanced metrics. I know the article just mentions lineups to show how even a stacked lineup can’t just carry a team, but the Dodgers also have former/potential MVP candidates in the rotation. The 2003 Cardinals? Not so much.
LouisianaAstros
Cardinals played in 3 straight NLCS after this.
Playing in 2 World Series and winning 1.
2003 even though some of those players were moved was a prelude to the future.
LordShade
Even a team filled with elite hitters will always lose without pitching.
Lanidrac
Although, the reverse isn’t always true, as the 2015 and 2019 Cardinals showed when they made the playoffs with 100 and 91 wins respectively with elite pitching but only middling offenses..
That’s why the Cardinals focus on developing pitching and have spent the last two decades winning 2 Championships, 4 Pennants, and a winning record every year but one (2007), whereas the Cubs tried the opposite approach and did win a Championship, but now they’ve been unable to sustain that success and likely only have a couple more years left in their contention window.
Iknowmorebaseball
Yup! Darkside…
pepenas34
Pitching is the name of the game
Ejemp2006
And yes, as an indictment of modern stats, Renteria’s 2003 was not nearly MVP level but he still rated +6 WAR. That Cardinal team was forgettable for a reason and including Renteria in an argument for it being a stacked team is laughable.
On a separate but related point, a pitcher having the most WAR but not being amongst the league leaders in actual wins? Ha! WAR what a dumb stat!
Warisalie
Even a guy that hates war like myself has to admit though….. It isn’t saying you are going to win all those games, it’s saying your that much more valuable than the replacement level.
De grom is the example to use. He’s a killer and we all know it. He just isn’t winning the games like he should. He is just that much more valuable than replacement level. I know you know this, I’m not trying to change your mind. I agree with you for the most part, I think it’s a mostly garbage stat too but for other reasons.
Like Arenado being worth just a little over half of trouts war some seasons. Some seasons he gets 6 war and trout gets 10. That’s laughable. Clearly mike trout isn’t twice as good when their offense is largely the same( besides mike walks a lot and has a way higher on base and Steals more bags ). Its not like trout steals 40 bases. He might get 20 most seasons which is good but not unheard of or worthy of rewarding double the war. Arenado has the defensive edge by ten miles on him( I know trout plays center ). Don’t even think Mike has a gold glove or the defensive prowess of Nolan. He’s not even top 3 defensive center fielder in the AL and definitely not tops in the entire game. But 3b and CF are supposed to garner about the same amount of recognition when it comes to war. Clearly that’s not the case.
So that’s why I think it is flawed. Besides it doesn’t take situational hitting or clutch into account. 2018 Nolan had a ton of game winners. O well, I guess if you play at Coors they dock a quarter of your total war lol. Guess that fire defense doesn’t play on the road either huh? Why are the players in hitter friendly parks like Boston or New York not penalized the same? Or Cincinnati?
I know you guys are going to come burn my house down for even saying gods name so go ahead losers. Everyone gets their panties in a twist when you even invoke the great ones name. Mob rule mentality. Losers
Joggin’George
There is a lot of misunderstanding the stat of WAR here… just one example: park adjustments do not, nor have they ever, included defensive metrics along with offensive metrics. Another: the “wins” in WAR are theoretical; they are not meant to be literal victories in any context let alone verse a theoretical (again) replacement player. It’s a measurement of overall talent, not actual wins added. The name of the stat is confusing, I’ll admit…. also, you’re way underestimating the importance of OBP
Warisalie
So you basically agreed except said that Obp should not be underestimated. Because I never said that they included defensive metrics. I was pointing out that they should. I said I guess he defense means nothing on the road….. which it does. Not trying to argue or get under your skin but you said nothing to refute the fact their offensive stats are basically the same besides obp and steals. You can not refute that. So if you can explain why his war is twice as high almost and the defense isn’t even close to Nolan level, I am all ears and will take your pints graciously.
Warisalie
I guess what I’m trying to say and maybe worded it wrong was that all advanced metrics crap all over Coors guys. Maybe explain the. Why his war is up to 4 points higher ? I just don’t understand. Again, not trying to argue I legitimately want to understand.
Joggin’George
Yea I may have misunderstood some of what you said. And my first sentence was more obnoxious than it needed to be… I agree that the way park adjustments are handled is a big flaw in how WAR is calculated. But a .438 to .379 difference is pretty big and goes a bit towards understanding the disparity. In any case, and I’m guessing we agree on this, WAR is not a complete, final stat. Or at least it shouldn’t be. It’s easy and convenient but for deep analysis it only begins a discussion rather than finishes it. The stat always needs to be examined with a grain of salt. Sorry if I came across a bit snarky earlier.
Warisalie
It’s all good man, I’ve come off that way too before so no worries. But you are correct I didn’t understand that their obp was that far apart. That is huge.
It annoys me that people use it like it’s the end all be all stat(not saying you do, but people do). I just feel like there is no way he is close to twice Nolan’s value. Best player in the game for sure. Most valuable in the game for sure. Just not by almost twice as much. That’s why I say it’s clearly flawed, and we agree.
Sorry for the misunderstanding brother, have a good day.
GiantsX3
Excellent article. Thank you
Lanidrac
The Cardinals only had 83 wins when they won it all in 2006, not 84.
Lanidrac
Thanks for correcting that, but you still left the error of it being 1 win less than the 2003 team instead of 2 wins less.
Iknowmorebaseball
Lanidrac is that the year a goat Ranger outfielder butchered a world series clinching catch that would have given the Rangers the world series?
swinging wood
That was also before they started testing (with punishment) for PEDs. Not saying, just saying.
Ejemp2006
Are you insinuating Pujols used PEDs? How dare you? Where is your proof?
Next you’ll be spouting the same nonsense about Ricky Henderson or Randy Johnson. Then who’s next, Mike Piazza?
Warisalie
They have to, because they can’t fathom how great he was. They have to have a reason to discount his offensive excellence. Greatest right handed hitter his time. I don’t think it was the juice, I think it’s because he was 5 years older than he says( and that’s my boy ).
Dumpster Divin Theo
A shrug and an Esteban Yawn to this story
Briffle2
Haha, I loved those late 90’s early 2000’s Ray’s teams. I’d always play them in baseball games just because they were so bad. Yan to Flaherty was an amazing combo.
LouisianaAstros
Rays are still a joke.
Need a real stadium. Don’t know if the money is there especially now to build them a new stadium. Has to have a roof. Would he hard to play outdoor baseball on the Gulf in a stadium that sits 30K+
Javia
Top 3 pitching staff in baseball. I would not call the Ray’s a joke.
Lanidrac
They need to leave the Snowbird State. The problem with the Marlins actually getting a new ballpark is that they’re stuck in Miami for the foreseeable future without much rise in attendance numbers after the first year or two.
PizzaHutCook
The 2004 lineup was crazy too, and had insane top-heavy numberse. Remember, this team traded for Larry Walker in one of those post-trade-deadline waiver moves.
Check out these 2004 totals:
Pujols: 46 HR, 171 wRC+
Edmonds: 42 HR, 168 wRC+
Rolen: 34 HR, 159 wRC+
Walker: 11 HR, 148 wRC+ (44 games)
Ridiculous.
WiffleBall
This is why I love baseball. It’s the only sport that’s truly a team sport. One player cannot make or break a team, and even 9 great hitters can miss the playoffs if the pitching isn’t there.
Lanidrac
It’s especially a problem in basketball, where having just 2 elite players can be enough to win an NBA Title.
jaytibbs
What do you have against Sterling Hitchcock? His starts were fine, certainly better than Tomko.and Haren.
troll
i find it odd garrett stevenson started FIFTY FIVE games, in one year
rspin
Great lineup however the Red Sox that same year had a better offense
Briffle2
Yes but they made the playoffs, the article is about the best lineup that didn’t make the playoffs.
troll
nope, article is about the most stacked line up of the millennium, which in this case, they didn’t make the playoffs. article wasn’t about playoffs, was just mentioned.
Briffle2
Early 2000’s baseball is where it was at. Probably the most I ever watched. I watched a Cubs replay against the Cardinals from 2003 a few weeks ago. There was a righty up for the Cards when I jumped in and right away I’m like that’s Bo Hart. Nice little rookie season but that was it.
The Human Rain Delay
Thats damn generous including Pollock…..guy couldnt even make his own lineup in a win or go home playoff game !
Datashark
Will Smith tallied off so badly end of last season am wondering if he has made any adjustments at all….and is a possible bust?!
kira
How can he be a bust he was not a hitting catcher he just had a real strong start to the season. The one that should hit is Ruiz thats who we are expecting to be the next big thing
ChangedName
Now I understand why that team was so good in the old MVP 2004 game, what a crapload of talent they had.
Great piece, TC Zencka and MLBTR.
troll
Garrett Stephenson was a horse with those 55 starts. he must have started every three games.
JerryBird
Barry Bonds wasn’t supernova, he was superjuiced with steroids. Tarnished accomplishments. Please don’t credit him as a worthy athlete.
Lanidrac
Cheating or not, he’s still the only reason Pujols didn’t win MVP that year.
Warisalie
Such a true comment. Albert would have won 2 or 3 more if it wasn’t for Barry. But let’s not act like Barry wasn’t good as heck without drugs because he was. He wasn’t 7 mvp good but he was 3-4 good without drugs. The guy hit 40 stole 40 before. Only bonds Canseco Rodriguez and believe it or not Alfonso Soriano did it the one season he played in Washington lol.
Even if it added two hundred points to his ops, there where seasons he has had over 1.400 ops lol. It’s off the charts and we won’t ever see that again period. He really was incredible.
Juice helps you hit 20+ extra feet, it doesn’t help your hand eye or your batting average though. In my opinion cocaine and adderall ( not sure how you spell it ) help more. If you can focus in and hit anything your much more dangerous than the guy who hits 20 extra feet when he does connect. Also juice makes you more aggressive which would make your contact go down as well. Which would usually lead to a higher K rate. Look how much the focus drugs helped a certain orioles first basemen
melly
Chris Davis is diagnosed with ADHD. He had been taking adderall with league consent since 2008. Yes he was suspended, but it was because he failed to reapply for therapeutic use. He still takes adhd medication now – hitting .180.
And your argument that roid-induced aggression would automatically lower contact rate is a stretch.
But I agree with most of your argument.. Barry bonds would still be among the handful of all time greats with or without roids. Not much debate in that in my opinion. Dude was a nightmare in the box. Glad I got to watch him dominate the sport.
Iknowmorebaseball
These are Pee-wee Herman line ups compared to the Big Red Machine
randal2220
Agree with your assessment. Sure they have previously conducted this effort but would love to see the highest war/$ squad Of all time. Sure the 27 Yankees and the BRM make the cut.
HalosHeavenJJ
Paging Arte Moreno, paging Arte Moreno you see the issue here?
Roll
Arte actually goes out and tries to get decent pitching but they all get injured.
kira
You mean the Arte who could of gotten Joc and Strerling *a good pitcher* for free trys to do stuff?
Thurgood42
The 2002 and 2003 Cardinals were severely affected by the death of Darryl Kile which left a huge hole at the top of the rotation.
CardsFan84
And in typical Cardinals fashion they blew it by not spending anything on pitching. What a failure of a franchise. So glad that baseball is a disaster this year so I don’t have to watch this garbage. Mo doesn’t care about anything except for $$. And tying cardigans around his neck. Jaysus.
Moneyballer
How could you go into a season with such a crap basket of pitchers?!