The Padres and Cubs have had discussions about a trade involving right-hander Yu Darvish, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune writes. Whether these negotiations are serious or perhaps simple due diligence on the Padres’ part is unclear, as Acee writes that “signals from team sources have been mixed on how far along those talks are.”
San Diego is the first team linked to Darvish on the rumor mill, though it was known that the righty was drawing trade interest following a season that saw him finish second in NL Cy Young Award voting. Darvish posted a 2.01 ERA, 6.64 K/BB rate, and 11.01 K/9 over 76 innings for Chicago, with a lot of strong advanced metric data backing up those excellent on-field results.
Adding Darvish would be a major way for the Padres to reinforce a rotation that lost Mike Clevinger to Tommy John surgery. Dinelson Lamet is also something of a question mark, as he has been undergoing platelet-rich plasma therapy in response to issues with biceps tightness that cut short his season and kept him out of San Diego’s playoff run. While there is a lot of promise within the Padres’ crop of young arms, Darvish would bring both talent and a big infusion of veteran experience to the mix. Padres GM A.J. Preller is very familiar with Darvish, as Preller was working in the Rangers’ front office when Texas first brought the right-hander over to North American baseball prior to the 2012 season.
As much as the Cubs are seemingly looking to cut payroll, however, they will still command a big return in any trade for Darvish. The Padres have the minor league depth to swing such a deal, but Preller and company might also balk at the three years and $62MM remaining on Darvish’s contract since the club reportedly isn’t planning to spend beyond last year’s $150MM payroll, and might even look to get under that figure. The Padres have been linked to such names as Lance Lynn (before Lynn was dealt to the White Sox), Tomoyuki Sugano, Blake Snell, and Sonny Gray in free agent and trade buzz this winter, all of whom come with much lower price tags than Darvish’s $62MM.
Preller might figure that if the Padres are going to trade prospects for a front-of-the-rotation arm, they might as well do so for a younger and less-expensive hurler than Darvish, who turns 35 in August. It is also possible that San Diego could try to move a big contract of their own to the Cubs to help offset salary. Hypothetically, Wil Myers (owed $41MM through the 2022 season) could fill the left field vacancy left open when Chicago non-tendered Kyle Schwarber.
The other x-factor in negotiations is Darvish’s partial no-trade protection, which allows him to block a deal to 12 teams. It isn’t known which dozen clubs are on his current no-trade list, but if San Diego is included, Darvish could ask for some type of financial bonus as compensation for waiving his trade veto.
I think the Cubs can get a better package elsewhere. No way the Pads give up Gore, Abrams, Patino, Campusano. Maybe something like Hassell, Morejon, and Weathers, but that’s just eh to me for Darvish.
If the Cubs were offered Hasell, Morejon and Weathers for Darvish they say yes and personally drop him off at Petco Park.
It’s a pretty weak package like OP said. Doubt Cubs are desperate to deal darvish for that underwhelming package. They could let him build upon his season last year and trade him at deadline this year or next offseason. I’d suspect at least 1 blue chip prospect going the other way at the very least. I think angels should take a look if price is right.
I don’t think the Cubs will get any more than a Clevinger type of return for Darvish.
How much do you want for Darvish? He’s not young anymore and will be 35 by the end of 2021. While being old doesn’t automatically mean you’re no longer good at the game, he’s also on a massive contract, owed about $60 million across the next three seasons and was inconsistent, both health and performance wise the past three seasons before 2020. Unless the Cubs are eating most of, if not all of his contract, then you’re not getting any of Gore, Abrams, Patino or Campusano.
Two top 10 draft picks, another decent prospect and 60 million in savings is weak? For a player that looked like a disaster 1.5 years into his deal. Yu does not have the value you think he does.
They would be dropping a massive salary to move him. Yes, if he wasn’t getting paid a ton, then this would be a light return. He’s getting paid an absurd amount of money for how old he is, so this is not at all an unheard of return
Cubs don’t get anywhere close to what the Indians got for Clevinger. Darvish is much older and much more expensive and outside of an outlier 2020 he has not been near as good recently.
You sir are what’s called an idiot
Cubs aren’t trading him unless a top pitching prospect is included. Good luck finding an ace making 20 million. He throws about four fastballs a game that hit high nineties and the rest is junk. He will age well.
How do you know how well he’ll age? I’m not saying that old=bad player, but look how inconsisent he’s been.
2017: solid season but nothing overly impressive
2018: 8 starts
2019: awful first half, great second half
2020: fantastic, but only 76 innings
Could be an ace, could be a solid starter, could be injured, could be awful. He’s been all those things in 4 straight seasons.
I think you mean top-10 “prospects” or top-10 “1st round draft picks”. Two top 10 draft picks could also mean a 9th and 10 round pick which anyone be happy to give up for Darvish.
It’s not a weak package. Not a Padres fan saying that either. Darvish is not Justin Verlander. He’s not reliable. Great at times yet not consistently.
I love when people say Darvish “has a massive contract”… He has an AAV of 20 million dollars which by no means is peanuts but for a true Ace on the open market there is at least 10 million per season value in that contract.
I understand that a lot of people do not know about Darvish, unless you are a Cub fan and follow the players “religiously” so lets talk about Darvish.
Darvish in 2018 was injured, he was lost the majority of the season and pitched poorly when he was healthy. He also dealt with free agency (a lot of players struggle the first year of a free agent contract) and dealing with a lot of “mental issues” coming off the sign stealing debacle. Worrying about if he was actually tipping his pitches.
In 2019, the Cubs signed Craig Kimbrel who taught Darvish his Knuckle Curve. Since then, Darvish has been nothing short of dominate.
MLB squashed the sign stealing scandal and lead the fans to believe it was just two teams when there is video evidence of Yelich looking for off for a cue against Darvish.
As far as health… he made all his starts in ’19 and ’20.
Lastly, his age… Darvish is older but kind of like Verlander, has shown no signs of slowing down. He is an athletic freak (ever see him dropping hammers left handed?) he throws 10 pitches and his average fastball velocity has risen. Age/mileage isn’t too much of a concern with Yu because he only dials it up 25-35% of the time.
You’re wrong
@gmaytag Gave you a thumbs up, because when I read your comment, I did it in a British accent….
You have to learn how to take part in a conversation
Cubs are VERY DESPERATE!!!
And IRRELEVANT!!!
Oh wow you guys are still pushing that Yelich sign stealing thing huh?
It’s massive for a guy who’s had no form of consistency since 2013-2014.
Stealing signs and injury tends to affect perception.
Opinions also can jade perception.
Facts can not be jaded. So look at his last year of production and few can match it.
What have you done for me lately dominates trade markets.
I’m not sure how accurate Baseball Trade Values is.
I think there’s a real danger in letting novices use it, uh?
I won’t let that stand in my way.
Darvish has a trade value of a little over 20 mil.
Heyward is a negative 55 mil.
This got me thinking. If a team were to allow the Cubs to attach the Heyward contract to a Darvish trade that team would give up very little to no prospects. (Technically they’d actually *receive* some prospects *back*?)
Heyward would actually fit on the Yankees roster as an albeit expensive yet incremental Gardy/Tauchman upgrade & Darvish could be that #2 starter the Yanks need/covet. Get Chicago to throw in a little cash to help with the CBT stuff. & – hey – it’s always fun to bring another player for Yankee fans to freak out about.
Darvish has been consistent as a Cub. He was consistently sucky 2018 and the first half of 2019 and consistently great for 2nd half of 2019 and 2020.
Tell me how he’s been though since transforming to a cutter-heavy pitcher a little past midway through the 2019 season?
He’s had exactly one bad season in his career.
And only 2 where he’s looked anything like an ace
You can only hope they would get a better package than what the Padres gave up for Clevinger. I was absolutely shocked at that deal, that the Indians got almost nothing in return for a pitcher (if healthy) of that high regard. Cleveland got 6 very mediocre players in return, rather than at least one good prospect somewhere. They’re not likely to get a return like the Sox got for Sale (Moncada and Kopech). Darvish does not have that kind of track record and is too old, and has a higher salary. He has value but not where they would likely get someone like Gore. Teams just don’t seem to be making those types of deals, or the Indians would have gotten way more for Clevinger, who on all levels before knowing about his arm issues, is younger and way more valuable than Darvish.
However, the Cubs just made the playoffs, and are not in the same hopeless position the Sox were when they traded Sale. Darvish may have more value to the Cubs and getting them to the postseason another time or two. Giving him away just because they can’t get anything better makes no sense… if they don’t get a good return, they should keep him. If you get to the playoffs, anything can happen even if they are not the best team. My guess is they don’t trade him because teams are not willing to make trades giving up talent taking on salary with the economics of baseball this winter.
No and Pass. The Cubs are not looking for a OF projected at 2023.
Meyers offsetting Darvish makes sense for the Cubs. He can also give Rizzo a day off at 1B.
Gore would be wishful thinking and would take a bump from the Cubs to create that deal.
Say Darvish and Amaya for
Now I would not do this deal unless they could get Gore. Darvish still helps the Cubs and it is not necessary to even do thus right now. The NLC is weak and the Cubs can take it as is.
Yeah you could conceivably get one of morejon or hassell to go with weathers, but a package of all 3 isn’t happening
@rhyde you just made up your own trade offer that no one has reported, then complained about this fake trade not being enough. You could have just told your dog that one and not really posted.
Most of the comments on this site would be better off left to the commenters dog.
Dogs are filthy animals, and they don’t understand the finer points of baseball.
My dog is a gold glove frisbee catcher.
Yes DrDan75 but can he hit the curveball to right? With power?
no but he runs like a greyhound.
Cats on the other hand are crafty and shrewd negotiators
…& 24thekid just outted himself as a raging dog-ist.
@BigHurt wtf are you talking about dude? I’m literally just posting an offer that seems realistic. Don’t post a comment if you’re just going to talk out of your ass dude
Darvish isnt getting much in a trade. A few good starts doesnt mean anything. Not with his issues.
He has been dominating hitters sense the ASG in 2019. He learned the knuckle curve then readded his splitter. Most hitters have no clue what is incoming.
He got a bad rep after the sign stealing against him then his injury after. Sense that time he has been dominating and his fastball velocity has increased.
So this whole age thing just blows. It is about velocity not age. If you use that argument then snub Verlander also. He will collect another CY and chuckle.
People are not getting the changes he made a little past midway through the 2019 season, and that he’s been about the best pitcher on the planet since.
It’s more than “a few good starts”. And all of the success has come post his going more and more to the cutter, using the fastball a lot less, slider less and curve more.
As that pitcher, Darvish has been on the same level as the best in the game.
You are right. The Padres have already said that Gore, Patino, and Abrams are off the table completely in trade talks. Doesn’t matter who it is for. Certainly not for an expensive 34 year old pitcher with a 4.02 ERA the last 3 full seasons.
If the Cubs want to eat a significant amount of Darvish’s contract they may get some great prospects, it just won’t be the same quality as Gore, Patino, or Abrams.
Possibly something headlined by Weathers or a pitcher with more MLB experience like Lucchesi who put up a 4.14 ERA in his two full season in the majors.
Padres won’t be giving up that package.
It doesn’t make sense to trade Morejon (a cheap pitcher) and Weathers (cheap pitcher) for Darvish (an expensive aging pitcher)…… When you need pitching.
Also,
Darvish is making 22 mill, 19 mill, and 18 mill. Thats alot of money to take on AND ship out top prospects.
Cubs won’t get that kind of package unless they knock the price tag down to under 10 million a year.
Front line pitching costs about 30-35M a year on the market
If you believe Darvish is an ace or even a good 2, those prices are bargains
There’s 5 pitchers in the league that make 30 mil a year. 2 of which are price and greinke. You really think Darvish is that much of an ace?
In a normal year front line pitching would range from 20 mill to 30 mill.
This wasn’t a normal year in 2020 and may not be a normal year in 2021.
Teams aren’t interested in dishing out or taking on huge financial commitments without knowing when they’ll be able to start making revenue back at normal levels.
Darvish is significantly better than Price or Greinke and there are 9 starting pitchers who make equal to or greater than 30 million.
Darvish is an Ace and he has became even more effective since adding the knuckle curve into his arsenal.
Darvish was completely dominate in the post season with the Dodgers until the Astros were magically able to guess right on all his pitches…
He struggled one year, a year in which sign stealing was going crazy (even though baseball wants you to believe it was isolated to two teams) was it sign stealing? Was it mental? Was it just getting familiar with his new environment or was it an injury? I don’t know but he struggled. Something to think about though, he only struggled the third time through the order… lots of rookies do that but not guys who have 10 pitches to select from.
He was as good as Bauer last year and Bauer is about to be paid like an Ace.
Since mid+ 2019 he has been a new pitcher, going heavily with his unique cutter. He’s been an absolute beast since that change.
I would be happy just to get multiple bodies for Darvish! He has more trade value now than he will ever have again!
I’d be tempted to include Kimbrel to lower the prospect cost and see if he can’t return to form in San Diego. But they probably don’t have room in their budget for both. With that in mind, it probably has to be Hassell or better as the headliner…
Robert Hassell, Blake Hunt and Josh Mears
Lol no one wants anything to do with Kimbrel at this point. He’s a completely predictiable, overpaid reliver that can’t over a major league team anything of value at his price point
Cant offer*
@stan lee the manly the idea is that the Padres could take him in the trade in lieu of adding more/better prospects.
As the Cubs will probably be asking for someone that can step into their rotation in return for Darvish, headline that deal with either Weathers or Lucchesi and you may have hit the kind of package that would be palatable to both teams there Ryan.
Glad you agreed Koamalu
LOL he used the same avatar for this account and his Padfather account
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/mariners-trade-rumors-mike-leake-padres-jean-segura.html
Pad Fan is Koamalu? This makes sense.
Interesting. Adding someone like Darvish, Snell, Bauer, even Sonny Gray would go a long way to putting San Diego on the next level
Padres still need to catch up to teams like the dodgers Braves Mets in the NL. This would move them one step closer imo.
Padres are head and shoulder above the Mets. Nice job trying to sneak it in there tho.
Yea the Padres had the 2nd best record in the NL and were competitive with the Dodgers….
All the Mets done is sign James McCann and have Cano get suspended. The Mets are right now number 4 in their own division maybe last place.
Gotta do more than be rumored to a bunch of names if you want to contend otherwise the Blue Jays will be better than the 27 Yankees with all the rumors connected to them.
The Padres are much better than the Mets but how is getting swept “being competitive with the Dodgers”
In the season race not the playoffs series.
Was it though? The Padres never beat the Dodgers in a series. They tied a 4 gamer, lost two 3 games series, and were swept in the playoffs
Well, Mets have also added Trevor May and for all practical purposes added Stroman and half a season or more of Syndergaard, so they are already improved even before they add Springer and likely another pitcher.
But, yeah, a little early to be placing them in the top tier.
Looking at the 60 game season when the players barely had time to prepare… nice!
I would say yea they were competitive, every game they lost to the Dodgers in the regular season except for 2 of them, the Padres kept it very close and could have won. They were with in a game of taking the division lead with only a couple weeks left in the season so I would consider that competitive. Having said that there were times where the Dodgers were on a different level than the Padres but if the Padres can add a front line starter that can stay healthy while young core pieces like Gore and Compisano contribute as projected then that gap between the two teams becomes significantly less. Personally I would like to see the Padres make a big trade and dip into the FA pool for pitching depth so Lamet doesn’t have to pitch 200 innings. If the Padres use a 5 man rotation with 2-3 pitchers that can spot start when needed, Lamet has a better chance of making it through the season. If Lamet and Clevinger were healthy for the Playoffs, odds are the Dodgers would still take the series but it wouldn’t have been a sweep.
They probably don’t get swept with Clevinger and Lamet available in that series. Also, Bellinger robbed Tatis in game #2 at a critical point in the game.
Padres aren’t quite on a par with the Dodgers yet. But they’re closer than any other team in the NL west.
To be fair…being closer than the Dbacks, Rockies and Giants isn’t saying much. I would say closer than almost any other team in the NL, though. Closer…but not exactly on the Dodgers’ heels, and as the Padres look to improve, the Dodgers set up to do so, as well.
And also played without their number 1 and 2 starters.
Which makes you pitch your #3 against a 1, a #4 against a 2 and a #5 against a 3.
Thats not a fair way to assess a team.
At the time, we didn’t have a way to replace our two best starting pitchers.
The Mets stink, try stepping into reality. Plus, all 30 teams faced the same obstacles of the 60 game season. You can’t use that as an excuse.
They lost their number two and three SP… not every team faced the same challenges… if padres went whole year without paddack and Lamet they wouldn’t have been nearly as good
Look at the rosters. It’s not close.
Catcher:
Mets: Nido
Padres: Nola/Campusano
1B:
Mets: Alonso
Padres: Hosmer
2B:
Mets: McNeil
Padres: Cronenworth
3B:
Mets: J.D. Davis
Padres: Machado
SS:
Mets: Rosario/Gimenez
Padres: Tatis Jr.
LF:
Mets: Smith
Padres: Pham
CF:
Mets: Nimmo
Padres: Grisham
RF:
Mets: Conforto
LF: Myers
Rotation
Mets:
deGrom
Stroman
Peterson
Matz
Oswalt/Lugo
Syndergaard (injured)
Padres:
Davies
Paddack
Patino
Gore
Morejon
Lamet (questionable)
Bullpen
Mets:
Edwin Diaz (closer)
Trevor May
Jeryus Familia
Dellin Betances
Miguel Castro
Drew Smith
Padres:
Pomeranz (closer)
Pagan
Hill
Johnson
Stammen
Altavilla
Guerra
The only position in the line-up the Mets have a lead, or even a fair lead in is right field and maybe first base. However it’s the starting pitching staff that really give it to the Padres. While I think deGrom is the best pitcher in baseball, he’s just one man. Patino and Gore could be aces. Davies had a strong season and Paddack had a solid 2019 rookie campaign. The Mets are the team that need to catch up. Not the Padres.
Your right the mets are no where close to the dodgers or braves and i dare say the padres currently. Must i bring up the 2019 stats again that was a full season and not much of a change to the team other than we (me also being a mets fan) lost a top pitcher and everyone is 2 years older. You bring up how well the bats were in 2020 but nothing about the pitching and then you say how great the pitching was in 2019 but ignore everyone except for Alonso and McNeil batting. Stop cherry picking and look at the overall picture in either year.
as per your words “LOOK AT THE ROSTERS” not what you expect the rosters to be what they actually are. As much as i believe Springer is going to be a met everyday that passes i fear another team will make a better offer as he is being connected with more and more teams.
i partially agree with what you said MLB1225 except
catcher is mccann and i think he is even with padres catching
mcneil probably is better than cromen as well.
LF is probably a wash because i think pham is on the decline with smith on rise bat wise and def wise pham is a better fielder than Smith.
starting pitching overall i think is a wash because you are upsiding your starting pitching with the could be and downsiding the mets pitching (Lugo has proven to be a good to above average starter or bullpen piece and Pederson has also looked high end in small sample). Stroman is in a contract year and he has flashed ace material as well.
bullpen is a crapshoot i will be honest i dont know the padres bullpen but the players the mets have for bullpen have a pretty high ceiling they have hit before and if they hit potential would be damn good but bullpens are so volatile who knows. what you get.
I totally forgot about McCann. The depth chart on MLB.com isn’t updated. I’d really put McNeil and Cronenworth on the same level. I think Pham is just as much of a wash right now because you can’t really judge anything accuratley on this season.
You are right. When you look at the current rosters the Padres are head and shoulders above the Mets. Its not even close.
But, but- the Mutts signed McCann, the premiere free agent of the off season! Big spenders just like their fans predicted! Winning the off season! Winning!
i can agree with you on Pham. could be anomaly MLB1225 but i think we both agree basically SS and 3rd is what really makes the difference between the two teams. Springer could definitely make up some of that ground and another mid to upper tier starter to move matz into more the swing guy or depth pitcher role would also help a lot. I really like matz but i have a feeling his issue is more in his head than in talent because he flashes brilliance but never really is consistent about it.
What???
Looking at Offense only
C is Mets
1b Mets
2b Mets
SS Padres
3B Padres
LF Mets
CF Mets
RF Mets
The Mets are also probably adding Springer
Pitching is only Padres lead now. When the offseason ends it won’t be
Truth of the matter is that when the season starts the Padres will be the team that has a worst roster.
Last time I checked, baseball is more than just offense. You can’t say “well the Mets are going to sign pitching and sign Springer, so those positions are automatically better than the Padres” because it hasn’t happened yet.
C
MetsPadres
2B
Mets=Padres
3B:
Mets<Padres
SS:
MetsPadres
CF
Mets=Padres
RF
Mets>Padres
The Mets are still better at most of those positions. Like the you think Myers is close to conforto when it’s not even close. Same with McNeil and cornsworth
Oh no you didn’t! Did you just suggest that Conforto MIGHT be better than Myers? Surely you jest.
Only position that the Padres are better is SS and maybe 3b. And the Mets’ catcher is McCaan, not Nido. Hosmer became garbage the moment he moved to the west coast.
McNeil’s fWAR/600 plate appearances: 4.9
Cronenworth’s fWAR/600 plate appearances: 4.4
Might have only been 192 plate appearances, but you still have to count it. A .5 difference in fWAR is negligable.
I never said that Myers is close to Conforto. I think he’s a lot better. Conforto is their current RF like Myers is the Padres’ current RF.
I really think you guys need to read more into what I said. I never said Conforto isn’t better than Myers. I also clearly said that McCann isn’t on the Mets’ depth chart when I looked at it. Even then, I think it’s close between McCann and Nola/Campusano.
Nola since 2019: 119 wRC+, .808 OPS, .343 wOBA, 3.2 fWAR 451
McCann since 2019: 116 wRC+, .808 OPS, .341 wOBA, 3.8 fWAR in 581 PA
Tatis and Machado are both significantly better than any player on the Mets. They are huge difference-makers. The Mets don’t have any player like that. None in the same stratosphere. You otherwise ignore that the Padres are better defensively at all eight positions. Then there’s the matter of organizational depth, where San Diego also holds an advantage.
Padres have better pitching (as you stated)
Padres have bigger stars
Padres play better defense
Padres have more depth
Padres have a superior farm system
Padres have a better organization
Padres have a plan
Padres still have a way to go but are far ahead of the Mets at this point.
As for your continued reliance on transactions that haven’t yet happened, how is that Betts-to-Flushing prediction working out?
This guy is just trolling at this point. Obviously the Padres are better than the Mets.
When did I predict Betts to the Mets???
Mets will also probably sign springer and SP help. When they do that I honestly don’t know how the Padres would have a better roster..
You really think “Springer and SP help” are going to be enough to make up the ~16 wins the Mets would need to make up to catch the Padres???
Probably is a strong way to label it lol
Look you don’t win games on paper, Fangraphs has the Padres with a WAR of 38.2, and the Mets at 37.2. That looks pretty close to me, de Grom would put them over the top in any short series, he is the best in baseball, The Mets will add enough to be close to the Dodgers in WAR 44.2 but the Dodgers have been the best in the NL for the last 7 years and only won once. So, at least 10 teams have a chance. The thing with the Dodgers model is it is the best model that other teams are shooting for.
Top teams on paper, Dodgers, Yanks, Astros, Padres, Twins, Angels, White Sox, Indians, Mets, and A’s. Where are the Rays? Most people would have a different top 10!
LOL!
Could I make a suggestion?
Instead of going by your own biased opinion, simply look at the stats. The SDP scored 5.42 RPG, while the NYMs scored 4.77. That’s a huge difference.
Explain why, if the NYMs are better at 6-8 positions, why they are so badly outscored by the SDP.
Could I inquire as to which paper you are referring? The NYMs finished #20 and in last place. The LAA finished #23. Houston was < .500 and lost Springer.
OTOH, the Braves finished #6 and not on the list?
Is this a real paper you are getting the number from?
Alonso is way better than hosmer, McNeil than cronenworth, and Smith than Pham… I like the position by position breakdown, but the talent evaluation is terrible
Smith is already much better than Pham… it’s not even close… some strange evaluations here
MLB225, you’re kidding right? I mean, the Pods may very well be better than the Mets but you’re position by position assessment is waaaay off. Alonso is better than Hosmer. McNeil is waaaay better than Cronenworth (you’ve gone particularly nuts on that one) and I’d say Pham is in decline and not as good as Smith. And Nimmo is better than Grisham by a mile. Plus, you left out McCann entirely.
Again, I said I corrected that. Even then, I’d put McCann and Nola on the same level. Their last 2 seasons have been very similar. I think we need to see a full season of Pham before we can confidently say that he’s on the decline. While Nimmo may be the better hitter, Grisham is way better defensively in CF. I’d rather have Gris over Nimmo in CF. Now if he was in LF, then that would be a different story.
Nimmo is pretty terrible in CF. I still hold out hope the Mets sign Springer, move Nimmo to LF… that and two reliable starting pitchers push the Mets into potential top team territory.
Lol….the mets
Padres are largely overrated and slumped late in the shortened season. Padres stans talked big all year and then their team came back to earth, a full 162 season and padres wouldn’t be in playoffs. Players outperformed career norms (due to short season) and they have no depth as highlighted once their closer went down and when various stars went down like clevinger expectedly.
Overrated,hah!
Dood, the Padres lost their top 2 starting pitchers before the playoffs. That makes a huge difference!
I’m a lifelong Dodger fan and I think calling the Padres overrated is ridiculous. They are up and comers and while I obviously believe the Dodgers are better I strongly believe that the Padres are getting closer and should definitely keep us on our toes. I have a ton of respect for that team. We were fortunate that we faced them when they had lost some pitchers but they are good and getting near great. Nobody should be sleeping on them.
It was a 60-game season. The Padres still need to show they can stay close to the Dodgers over something resembling a normal 162 games. Depth is important, and the Dodgers have a clear advantage in that regard. And while we hear a lot about the Padres’ young players, the Dodgers have the more accomplished young players between the two teams. Because of this youth, the Dodgers will continue to get better. From 2018-20, they averaged more than 100 wins per season and went to the World Series twice. Last season, they likely would have exceeded 100 wins by a wide margin. And they might be even better in 2021 because their young players are still improving. If the season goes a full 162 games, the Dodgers would be a solid bet to win more than 100 games. At this point, the Padres aren’t close to that level.
And the Mets need to show they can keep up with the Padres over 60 games, let alone 162.
I think that the story of the Dodgers and Padres could not wind up being like the Yankees / Red Sox battles of the early 2000’s. Some really good 90+ win Red Sox clubs just couldn’t win the division because the Yankees were passing 100 wins a season.
Now I don’t think we are quite to that point yet, but if the trajectory of both clubs stays the same we could be in for some interesting (and entertaining) seasons.
Did you watch the same Padres I did? They went 26-11 from August 17th onward and that was after losing Lamet and only getting Clevinger for 3 games.
The Dodgers win 100-plus games a year and are still improving. The Padres have gotten better but aren’t close to catching them.
Aren’t close? the Padres played the Dodgers in
The 2nd round of the playoffs.
We are the most improved team of 2020. All signs point to an even better team in 2021.
People wouldn’t be bringing up and defending the Padres if they weren’t a threat to the Dodgers.
Yes, but they may have lost 2 of their top pitchers, injuries kill teams.
Padres fans again, using a 62 games season to validate there chances going forward(not smart) tatis came back to earth between august and October and was terrible in the 1st and second round same went for Grisham and cronenworth. Again outside of tatis who was white sox who have they developed in the system? You guys keep saying you missed your top 2 pitchers but that’s what makes teams great is depth! Buehler was injuried most the year for us in addition to missing kenley and turner for large periods of time. Sadly padres have no depth! Just don’t be surprised when you miss playoffs this year under normal circumstances. I can go down the list of padres players that outperformed there league norms in a big way, also very common to highlight that rookies like Grisham and cronenworth will regress in sophomore season. Can’t wait for the season to start!
One of these things is not like the other…
When you’re wrong next year. Will you apologize? If I’m wrong I will. But to all of you when the Mets are in first?? How will you guys look??
Apologize for what? the Mets won a many games as the Rockies and Royals. You are living in fantasy land.
Mets fans said they would beat us this year and were wrong
Add a period and you would have typed your first ever complete sentence!
i doubt you will MetsFan22 but make up some excuse as to why it happened. Dom Smith angled his hat wrong at this at bat so they lost this many games, so and so was injured, x player didnt perform to what everyone said. yadda yadda yadda.
You still havent admitted to being wrong about last year regarding the marlins only excuses they shouldnt have won based on stats or when you said it this happened after or whatever else. In the end, what happened happened and the marlins did well enough to be in 2nd and the mets were in last.
MetsFan22 still hasn’t admitted to being wrong about Betts signing with the Mets.
As for the current Mets, they don’t have the organizational depth to compete with the top teams. They are always one injury away from a collapse. In 202o, the Braves lost their best pitcher for essentially the entire season and kept rolling. The Dodgers had injuries along the way and just plugged in the holes because of their depth and versatility. The Mets aren’t at that level. Granted, neither is the rest of the National League as there is a big gap between the Dodgers and Braves and whoever is third. I’d hold off on putting the Padres in that position because the 2020 season was so short.
Cey Hey
I will call people on when they do something and i dont remember anywhere MetsFan22 called out Betts would be a Met. I dont remember anyone saying he would be a met as far as i can recall. Maybe a hope if he were a FA he could be a met, but at that time the wilpons were owners and no chance that was happening.
I’m trying to figure out when I said that… people making things up again I see…. there is other Mets fans here. Just because they say something doesn’t me it was me.
Lol @mets
Dodgers, Braves and Mets? 1 is different from the others lol how about catching up to teams like milwaukee, Florida, Cincinnati first.
Or just catching the ball when it’s hit in the direction of one of your fielders.
Mets fan…Padres passed the Mets a while ago. Mets are battling the pirates in the draft sweepstakes.
The Mets stink. Please step into the real world.
Padres need to catch up to the Mets lol. It’s fun pretending like they have been a relevant team in the last decade.
MetsFan I already told you the Padres are the 2nd best team in the NL. Your Mets are still arguably outside the Top 3 in the NL East.
Give yourself a little shake. It’s ok. Offseason is still young.
Also, Tommy Pham isn’t a “move to offset salary” guy. If he was, he’d have been non-tendered. I can’t imagine the Cubs having any interest in him anyway.
Hey Cy Young says **** you for having that screen name lol
Meh
Wins are over rated… we want spinny rate.
This would be a big deal. One of the top 5 NL pitchers last season with postseason experience. He would be a wonderful number 2 for the Pads.
Time to go to BTV and see what outlandish deal they think it would take to get Darvish…
Ok, here’s what BTV proposes:
Cubs get: Campusano
Padres get: Darvish and Baez
LMMMAAAAOOOOO
They really knock guys down for being old with big contracts or for being rentals.
FWIW I don’t see anyone trading for Campusano until his legal issues are cleared up.
I totally forgot about that, thanks for bringing it up.
His charges have been reduced to a misdemeanor, but Campusano is far from out of the woods. MLB could still levy a suspension, not for marijuana use, but for the arrest.
Got a link for his charges being reduced to a misdemeanor? Either way, I still don’t see anyone trading for him until the issue is resolved. Both from a legal standpoint and from a suspension standpoint.
Google is your friend.
@BobGibsonFan he made the claim. That responsibility falls to him, not I.
Campusano won’t see more than a warning, he is an ML player and is fairly wealthy.
Just watch the charges completely disappear.
@Vegas.
You’re right. Let’s not forget the fat signing bonuses that top prospects get. Those kids are pretty well off before they ever see their first major league game.
Not really. Prove him wrong. Innocent until proven guilty.
Dont be lazy.
@BobGibsonFan is that you PF? Another new account?
Either way, the burden of proof is on the person that makes the claim. If he can quote it, he can link it.
You too lazy to look? Guess you really dont care.
It doesn’t work that way. If you ,for example, were to claim the Earth was flat, it would be up to you to document it. Otherwise, you could make any claim you want. And even though no one can find anything on it, you could defend the ‘earth is flat’ claim by saying the other person is to lazy to look for the claim.
@BobGibsonFan you could reframe that and say that you… sorry… he is too lazy to post the link and that he really doesn’t care.
You… sorry… he also said on this thread that Preller said that Luis Patiño absolutely wouldn’t get traded even though he just did so that should tell you something about his credibility.
Oh yeah? Prove it.
Don’t worry about BobGibson. He calls people lazy while claiming Ozuna is a decent defender. I’m sure he believes Teoscar Hernandez was screwed out of a Gold Glove. He’s never watched baseball to have a clue.
Prove what? That Pads Fans is too lazy to post the link? I mean, he hasn’t done that yet now has he?
Or did you want me to prove that Pads Fans said that Preller said that Luis Patiño absolutely wouldn’t be traded? Because he said exactly that further down this page. Just Ctrl-F and type “Preller already said” and that will take you right to it.
OR did you want me to prove that you and Pads Fans are the same person? I can’t prove that but he has been outed for using multiple accounts in the past, even on the same thread. If you are him, it will become obvious in the coming weeks.
Ozuna is a decent left fielder… guys like Stanton and Schwarber play left… ozuna can too.
Prove that he said it.
You are trolling at this point but…
“Preller already said Patino, Gore, and Abrams are off the table in trade talks.” – Pads Fans on this very thread.
Where?
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I upheld my end of the bargain. Now you drop the link to Campusano’s charges being reduced to a misdemeanor.
Why do I have to search for it… it’s so hard. Why can’t you post it. That’s what you are saying, right? The responsibility falls on you, remember?
Prove it.
Because you are the one making the claim that Campusano’s charges were dropped to a misdemeanor. The responsibility falls on the one making the claim. So either drop the link or go troll someone else.
I didn’t make that claim. Why should I have to prove it? You could always look it up yourself. Imagine the time you’ve wasted worrying about this… you could have done it by now.
Do you really need people to hold your hand on these types of things?
“I didn’t make that claim. Why should I have to prove it”
You are defending Pads Fans, who did make the claim. That amounts to the same thing. You adopted his argument for him. I’m also not convinced you aren’t one of his many sockpuppet accounts. Do you also think Derek Norris did a bad job at throwing out baserunners in 2015?
“You could always look it up yourself. Imagine the time you’ve wasted worrying about this… you could have done it by now.”
1. I don’t have to do that! I never said that Campusano’s charges were (or weren’t) reduced to a misdemeanor.
2. I could say the same thing to you. You are responding 10 minutes after each comment I post on a 10-day old thread.
I’m not defending him… I have no clue what was said. I really don’t care. I am just holding you to the same standards you are asking of others.
Google it if you care. I don’t care.
You don’t have to Google what Pads Fans said considering he said it ON THIS VERY THREAD.
You aren’t holding me to any standards. You are being obtuse just for the sake of being obtuse. Which is completely fine if that is what you want to do, but if so that will be your reputation on this site.
“I really don’t care” says the kid sitting there waiting for me to reply to comments on a 10-day old thread.
Thanks, this has been fun.
Make sure you include a link… LOL
You’re welcome, PF
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/04/felony-charges-against-luis-campusano-dropped.html
So much for Campy’s felony charges being dropped BEFORE this article was posted LOL
A strong retool should have happened in the past. Jed Hoyer needs to get going, start with a Darvish trade, then move others Baez Hendricks.
“Biceps” is the singular form
If the Cubs can move him and that salary and actually get some decent prospects in return, I pull that deal. He’s 35, has had major arm surgery, and while he did well last year, he got plenty of rest, pitched against hitters who didn’t have a spring training, and didn’t pitch a full season. I say trade high.
I’d agree with this assessment. Given his contract and age, I don’t see why anyone would part with a particularly good prospect package.
Homer is making the same mistake as little theo epstein.holding on to players too long.
He should have non-tendered bryant and now the cubs will eat all 18.9 mil this season instead of getting some salary cap space.
The longer they wait to move players the lower the return.
Trade darvish to the Mets for gimenez and allan.
Why would they non-tender Bryant?
Non-tendering Bryant would be stupid. Any kind of a prospect is better than losing him for nothing.
Snell or Gray are better fits, financially.
Yea but they probably gonna cost more starting with Gore.
Preller already said Patino, Gore, and Abrams are off the table in trade talks.
Gray is a great fit in San Diego. Solid #2 that will eat innings. Snell is overrated. 3.98 ERA with 4.65 IP/G and having missed 21 starts to injuries in 2019-2020.
Preller seems to be falling into the Epstein trap of placing too much faith in prospects (Schwarber Russell almora etc)… the Padres did it w Margot renfroe Urias quantrill Mejia (until it was obvious they wouldn’t have much value)… not saying that’s true again w gore patino abrams campusano BUT if you’re going to compete now, giving up one of them for an established top tier player is a given… smart GMs will require it.. otherwise, I’ll bet based on history that not all four end up as stars
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/padres-to-acquire-blake-snell.html#comments
So much for your THEORY about Preller saying that Patiño isn’t on the table LOL!
Taking on Snell or Grays contract when teams are trying to shed salary won’t cost Gore or Patino.
Idk why people think its a usual off season. It’s not.
2021 and possibly 2022 teams are going to operating with lower budgeting plans than they would in a normal off season.
FA deals won’t be the same and trades won’t be nearly the same esp if long term commitments are changing hands.
Given the uncertainty of finances going forward teams aren’t locking themselves in potentially bad deals as easily.
Theyll hold on to cheap prospects rather than trade and take on money.
If the Cubs wanted to get a good package they should call on Toronto and see if they want Darvish
Offer Darvish, Contreras and Bryant. Jays have the pieces for that.
The Padres have trade with the Rays and has worked for both so, I’ll say do a 3 team deal and acquire Snell, Groshans, Grichuk, Richardson form the Rays and Jays. Pham and Meadows goes to the Jays who need OF’ers. Patiño, Morejon, Weathers, Teoscar, Kirk to the Rays.
This way the Jays improve in the OF an can still sign Springer. The Padres shed some payroll by trading Pham and acquiring prospects and a much younger and affordable Ace in Snell, and the Rays get Teoscar to directly replace Meadows and a much needed RH hitter in a Rays line up who’s young, controlable and can be paired with Randy. They also get their pitching prospects which is Tampa bread and butter.
That trade is atrocious for the Blue Jays!
Snell is not an Ace. 3.98 ERA and 4.65 IP/G in 2019-2020 while missing 21 starts. He is not even the #1 on the Rays.
Thank you. I’ve been saying that in other threads about Snell. He had a career year in ’18 and was rewarded with a trophy. He isn’t even the best pitcher on his own team anymore
TO4 -You must be a Rays fan that is such a huge overpay for the Jays. The Rays would also have to send McKay and Anderson to the Jays and SD send Hassel to the Jays.
overlooked Richardson leaving the Jays as well – so our #3-4-5 prospects plus TEO and Grich for Meadows and Pham. Lay off the Xmas booze my friend.
Jays say no. Not even a thank you.
18.9 mil to get a single a pitcher
You’re right.that is what the cubs call value
Clevinger, Morejon, Myers for Darvish, Bryant
No thanks Clevinger is hurt and Wil Myers never lived up to his full potential.
Take Myers and Bryant out and throw in someone like Francisco Mejia and deal.
Basic framework of Darvish to Padres, Wil Myers + young major leaguers / prospects works. The Cubs want to maximize value, so if they take Myers back in the trade, I think Patino is included. There’s no way Myers could be dealt to any other team in the majors, so the Cubs have to be compensated for taking that salary back.
Darvish for Myers, Patino, and Morejon.
Myers and Patiño without Morejon should be more than enough.
I think that Morejon is going to be a solid major league pitcher for a number of years. I don’t think it would be wise to trade him.
Cubs need to sign players not trade them. Odorizzi, Brantley, I dont like him but maybe Joc Pederson.
Considering Injury risk, Age and salary, I don’t see any top 100 prospects being included. And no matter what the Padres are never going to part with Gore, even for a cry young winner in Snell. His immediate and long term value is just too high
I am sure cubs will part with one of the best pitcher in baseball with a very reasonable contract for nothing. Solid analysis. If cubs take Myers contract the return will be substantial.
Just a year ago Cubs fans were begging for Darvish to opt out of his contract and now his contract is “very reasonable?”
Apparently you haven’t watched baseball in a while
Pretty much. It’s called pitching LIGHTS OUT!
Padres trying to buy a championship? Manny, Hosmer, Sunshine, all those trades last season and now maybe Darvish?
“Buying a championship!” AKA getting a few pricey veterans when a team starts to improve is the standard way that teams shorten the time of their rebuilding process. Otherwise it can take years, even a decade or more. That’s a lot of bad baseball. You’ve got to keep the fan base engaged.
I thought Preller was quite clear in his last interview that Patino, Gore, and Abrams were off the table in trade talks.
Darvish is 34, so if the Cubs think they are getting much in trade along with some other team taking on his remaining $62 million in salary they are dreaming.
MLBTR, you may want to check again because Seidler said this week that if they think it will get them closer to a championship that they are willing to spend more money. That there is no ceiling on payroll.
@Remove, I think team budgets are still a legitimate concern for organizations given the COVID reality, and if the Cubs don’t take on any of the $59-62 million owed to Darvish (over the next three years) or don’t take back Wil Myers, the return will be diminished. I am a Cubs fan and think the world of Darvish, but look what has happened to Kluber and Verlander during similar ages: either injury or solid performance. That’s a lot of risk to take on at $62 million.
Without Myers, it makes sense to include Morejon as a Cub’s target but then maybe just Weathers and Ismeal Mena (or Hudson Head). That’s without Myers coming back.
With Myers coming back to the Cubs, Patino and Morejon seems fair. Go look up the values at the Baseball Trade Values website. It is an instructive tool for proposing a potential trade.
I have looked at BTV and even they say Myers, Patiño and Morejon is an overpay for San Diego.
I don’t disagree that Darvish for Myers, Patino, and Morejon is an overpay for the Padres. On BTVs, I think certain players are overvalued while others are undervalued (Darvish is undervalued on the site).
I think Myers going to the Cubs fits with the salary piece, but Myers definitely has major negative value, which the website captures.
I think Darvish for Myers, Morejon, Weathers, and Mena is enough value for the Cubs, but I simply hope Patino is included.
BTV says Darvish and Baez for Campusano. You may not want to use that website to determine real trade values.
It’s a fansite. Just a hunch that MLB front-office professionals have their own systems for making trade proposals.
I agree it’s not 100% accurate, but it is informative. It’s at least a little more realistic than some of the crazy trade proposals I see on MLB.com.
I’ve seen some Cubbies fans proposing Darvish for Paddack, which isn’t happening in this world nor any other. It’s an interesting website. Sure FOs have their own methodology. We’ll see what’s ultimately decided.
It comes down to how much do the Cubs REALLY value getting younger? And how much do the Padres value closing the gap on the Dodgers?
If I had a dollar for every ridiculous trade idea I’ve seen Cubs fans propose over the years, I could retire.
I’ll never forget seeing multiple Cubs fans proposing sending a few of their mediocre at best players for Mike Trout in like 2013 lol.
Here come all the cub fans with their unrealistic trade offers
Make it a blockbuster and trade Darvish/Bryant for Patino, Weathers, Myers(off-set contract), Ismael Mena and Blake Hunt.
That package isn’t enough to get a team to take Myers while giving up an org filler, let alone Darvish and Bryant.
The Cubs aren’t likely to move any two of their coveted players (Darvish, Bryant, Baez, Contreras, Hendricks) in the same trade, In addition to not getting enough in return, the receiving team probably wouldn’t want to add that much payroll at once — especially with all the uncertainty surrounding the 2021 season.
Myers is coming off a great year.
Bryant has had injuries/drop off. Myers outperformed Bryant last year and is still under 30.
I’d rather not trade Myers, only would for salary purposes.
Darvish is 34 and a long history of injuries as well.
The Cubs would be getting Patino and Weather’s as well as two other pieces for a pitcher nearing 35 and a hitter who though he has struggled with injuries will demand a substantial raise.
Wow I’m blind. Didn’t notice you included Patiño in that package.
Patino and Myers on their own get Darvish and Bryant easily.
It was a 60-game season. Good or bad, no FO is going to put too much stock in 2020 stats. The reason Myers, Bryant, and even Darvish won’t fetch much in trades is that teams now value fiscal responsibility. None of these players is enough of a difference-maker to surrender the years of control attached to young players/prospects.
With the Cubs sending $60 million to the Padres?
Bryant has little trade value with his contract and Darvish is owed $62 million, will turn 35 in August and has a 4.02 ERA the last 3 full seasons.
What would the padres do with bryant? Outfield and DH I guess. Getting him would make no sense.
@pads fan you must not know how expensive ace pitching is, the going rate is 35 million+ darvish on that deal is a steal and outside of 1 year has been a tor pitchers. Get over yourself and your delusion of “real value” Can’t wait for a full season of padres fan excuses as to why they won’t be in postseason
You can’t just ignore 2020 stats completely… idk where that started on here that teams are ignoring them.. they’re not.. they may not place as much stock in them, but players that did well last year deserve credit and those who didn’t deserve scrutiny
Darvish for Myers and a prospect is probably reasonable. Cubs still save over $20 million and fill the hole in LF this year and maybe 1B next year if Rizzo leaves.
Padres are thin on Outfielders (what a difference a couple of years makes) but they probably need pitching more. No Clevenger, Lamet is probably going to miss time, Garrett Richards is gone, all they have at this moment is Paddock and Davies. Patino, Gore, Morjon, even Joey Lucchesi in the mix but they need at least one more established arm if they want to keep the momentum from this past season going
Who’s Paddock?
Meant to say Paddack
West coast
Darvish for Myers and a prospect? Seriously? This isn’t about a contract dump.. They’ have done enough of that and will do enough of that once they trade Bryant. Get real.
Actually it is about a contract dump. The Cubs are crying poor and that is they jettisoned Schwarber and Lester and are open to trading other high salary players
Baseball Trade Values publishes trade values for every mlb player. I don’t always agree, but they are at least objective and use a consistent methodology. They value Darvish at $20m, saying that the value of his expected production is $20m higher than his contract cost. So, by their calculation, he would be worth a Morejon/Hassell + Weathers/Lucchesi, plus perhaps a lottery ticket like Aquino/Ornelas/Lange,
So his contract this year is for approximately 20 million and you are saying they are adding 20 million more to his value? He is a $40 mil pitcher? Or is that $20 more million spread out over the three years left on his contract? If the latter still seems high, if the former they need to recalibrate their system!
Over the next three years Darvish’s expected production is worth about $80 million and his contract is about $60 million. Trade surplus value is $20 million.
WoW! I wouldn’t trade him. I see the future Darvish wins 40 games and 10 in the post season, Bryant gets comeback player of the year, and the Cubbies resign your son (Kyle) and he sweeps co-MVPS of the regular season and post seasons! Let me be the first to congratulate you kyleschwarbersmom, mom!
There’s no doubt in my mind that it would cost the Padres a tip top prospect to land Darvish. Cubs would shop him before accepting less and I believe other teams are in on him if he’s truly made available.
Moneyballer you must be a huge Cub fan. Any rational thinking baseball fan knows the Cubs won’t get a top prospect for Yu. Now, Sonny Grey might haul a top 5 prospect, he’s due half the money, and slightly better to boot.
The parallels to the Dodger/Red Sox trade are there:
The Red Sox trade Mookie (1 year ARB III) and David Price ( 3 yrs/$ 96 MM-$ 48 MM) to the Dodgers for Alex Verdugo, Jeter Downs and Conner Wong..
The Cubs want to trade Yu Darvish (3 yrs/$ 60 MM) and Chris Bryant (1 year ARB III) to the Padres for
CJ Abrams, Luis Campusan0, and Cole Wilcox.. Cubs add up to $ 12 MM so the dollars match up.. The Padres can extend Bryant like the Dodgers extended Betts. Everyone’s needs (Cubs fiscal/Padres competitiveness) are satisfied.
The heels digging in over CJ Abrams when the Padres have Tatis and Machado on the left side of the infield for a LONG time..makes the deal work..
Thoughts?.
Gee son I mean gson, let me ask A.J.
…………A.J. …… hahahahaHAHAHAHA
I can’t get him to stop! Mr. Preller sir, What? Oh, he says you should stop drinking that cache of prohibition liquor that you found. In other words:
troll, troll, TROLL
Abrams can move to 2nd or even CF.
I’m not sue how that $12M matches up the dollars. Darvish and Bryant = $39M, so that means SD adds $27M, which I am not sure they have.
The second issue is that means Bryant moves to LF, which weakens his value.
It’s Kris Bryant and the Cubs would say no.
First of all, and no offense to your trade proposal, it makes no sense for the Cubs. They have Contreras and Caratini on the roster and they have three very highly regarded catching prospects in their farm system. Wilcox and Abrams are not close enough to being ML ready for the Cubs to bite on them either.
The Cubs are not going into a full rebuild, they are going to want at least one guy who will impact their 2021 roster (Patino) and two other highly regarded prospects.
I kinda want to see the Padres just keep going for it and stacking that team. Years of not being able to make a decision of rebuilding or going for it has to be pure torture on their fans. Now seems they are going for it
Avoid Yu Darvish like the plague. Darvish is only effective in low-pressure situations where the temperature in the water is just right. Why would a team want to go into the playoffs depending on Yu Darvish. When has he ever come through in a true “clutch” situation? Darvish is a pressure-situation and playoff choker. Avoid.
Ok, I’m mostly not in favor of trading for him. That’s because between the contract and what the Cubs will want I doubt it is worth it. However, outside of the Houston meltdown Darvish has pretty good post season stats: He would be 2-3 with around a 3:00 era and if any type of decent run support he could easily be 4-1. Just trying to be fair.
Take out the horrible WS game, and his playoff ERA is 3.34. His ERA against teams > .500 is better than his ERA against teams < .500.
What did you draw your conclusions from?
I strongly doubt this is anything other than a slow off season story regarding two teams simply doing their due diligence.
If you follow the Cubs, we know their M.O. They will listen to trade offers but the price is going to be so astronomical that no trade will happen. They did the same thing with Contreras and Bryant last season. Yeah, they would trade Darvish but it would be for a package of at least one high upside ML or near ML ready prospect and two other highly regarded prospects and no team will bite.
We also know the Padres M.O., they are not going to deal their prized prospects. They will deal lesser prospects for lesser talent but they absolutely will not touch their top guys.
I imagine the conversation went something along the lines of “Hey, what would it take to move Darvish” “Patino, Abrams or Cronenworth and Lawson” “no seriously, what would it take?” “I am serious” *click*
Any GM that is stupid enough to give a big return for Darvish should be fired. If the Cubs move him it’s going to have to be a salary dump. There’s absolute no reason to trade for a guy who pitched well for 76 innings in 2020 but was mediocre from 2018-2019. Plus he’s 34.
I agree. I would target Gore and take on Meyers. In turn add Amaya as he is MLB ready and blocked by 2MLB quality catchers. The deal helps both teams in the short term.
I see the need for a staff ace on the Padres over powering the need to develop Gore. They are in win now mode. Cubs are not.
Yes, in 2018 he was awful. However, Minus the first month or so of 2019, he has actually been great ever since (look it up). That said, I still understand your other point. He’s getting old.
I get your point and I definitely wouldn’t trade him for nothing, but there’s definitely some risk in taking on his contract and I don’t think he’s worth one top prospect, let alone multiple.
The cubs will get 2 things only for Darvish. That’s salary relief, and a low level prospect, that’s it! The Cubs are just putting feelers out. So, it’s pretty much will be a salary dump if the Cubs want to go that route.
San Diego will pay a steep price if they want him. As it should be. It all boils down to how much they want him. As it should.
Wait so your telling me Darvish with no fans had best year of his career
Think Mackenzie Gore should get a shot to be the #5
I think Weathers and Campusano would be very fair if Michel Baez Or Anderson Espinoza If I was the Cubs I’d try to get one of them thrown in the deal
to improve the offer Cubs must eat Myers salary. Let’s put Myers, Campusano and Weathers in exchange for Darvish. I see it as an offer that they would both accept