With Trey Mancini entering his final year of arbitration eligibility, there has been much discussion over whether the first baseman will remain with the Orioles or head elsewhere, either via trade or as a free agent next winter. It isn’t clear if the O’s are willing to sign any veteran player (even the beloved Mancini) to a long-term extension as they continue their rebuilding process, though MASNsports.com’s Steve Melewski suggests that the team could split the difference by pursuing a shorter-term extension with Mancini. Inking Mancini to a deal of two or three years would be especially beneficial if the Orioles became competitive earlier than expected, and an extension wouldn’t necessarily mean that the team couldn’t still trade Mancini down the road. Indeed, teams might be more interested in acquiring Mancini if they knew they’d have him for more than just the 2022 season.
Of course, it isn’t known if Mancini himself would be open to such a shorter-term arrangement, though he has often said that he loves playing in Baltimore. Mancini turns 30 years old in March, so in the event of a short-term extension, he would be delaying his free agency until at least the start of his age-32 season. While a short-term deal would lock in some more money immediately, Mancini might prefer to bet on himself in 2022 and wait for a more lucrative, longer-term contract next winter. Mancini has earned $4.75MM in each of the last two seasons and is projected to earn $7.9MM in his final arb year, so he already banked some financial security throughout his career.
More from the AL and NL East…
- Speaking of short-term extensions, Miguel Rojas agreed to such a deal with the Marlins earlier this week, and now looks to make it nine seasons in South Beach. While Rojas is a strong defensive shortstop, however, he noted to The Miami Herald’s Jordan McPherson and other reporters that “I’ll do whatever it takes for this team to be a winner,” even if that means a position change. “I didn’t sign to be the shortstop or the third baseman or the second baseman,” Rojas said. “I signed to be part of the team and to be of course a leader in that clubhouse, to help others that come here for the first time to be comfortable and to fit right in to what we’re doing here in Miami.” The Marlins are hoping that Jazz Chisholm has second base covered for the foreseeable future, though Rojas’ flexibility gives the team a wider berth to consider other infield additions this winter and down the road.
- Rays VP of baseball development Peter Bendix is staying in Tampa rather than pursue any other job opportunities with other teams, Marc Topkin of The Tampa Bay Times writes. Rays executives have been popular hires around baseball, and Bendix had been mentioned as a possible candidate of interest for the Mets as their search for a new GM or president of baseball operations. Bendix has been in his current role for the last two seasons, and part of the Rays organization since 2009.
RunDMC
Great seeing Jazz sightings at Truist World Series games with Touki Touissaint. Great guy.
misterlol
Lol
wallabeechamp
I think it’s nice of MLBTR to just put the name of an unknown exec at the end of a heading instead of mentioning that he/she is also not interested in a job with the Mets. No need to embarrass that franchise anymore. They’re doing a bang up job of that on their own.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
The Mets are the official “pinata” of MLB. Go ahead & take a swing
DarkSide830
people are now officially turning done the Mets before even being asked
Joe says...
I would take the job but only to trade deGrom for Frazier.
SalaryCapMyth
Damn Joe. That’s just mean. >=)
Lloyd Emerson
Y’all should just start a new website on the side called LOLMets Front Office Rumors
Robrock30
Lloyd Emerson,
The Mets should just hire the people that have stated that they wish to work for the Mets. Brian Sabean is the obvious one as was Chaim Bloom ( now with Red Sox ALCS team ) 3 years ago.
The problem is Sandy Alderson who is a huge Loser who only wants to surround himself with other Losers. It was a huge blunder by Steve Cohen to rehire him and this has set back the Franchise years. Brian Sabean has won 3 WS Championships recently and is responsible largely for the Yankees dynasty of the 90s as well as the Current Giants Team.
WarkMohlersJr
Maybe that’s disqualifying candidates. Do you want to work here? “Yes” Honestly, I just don’t see you as a fit for our organization.
Cosmo2
Heh. I hate repetitive Met bashing, but that one was actually clever, Wark.
Robrock30
The Mets need to Clean House which means kicking Sandy Alderson & Son to the curb and firing all Wilpon holdovers. They need to bring in Gravitas which is Brian Sabean with a winning pedigree with the Giants and Yankee scouting and development. This is obvious and I am giving them my Free Advice and I am always right. LOL
Robrock30
Brian Sabean was the executive vice president of baseball operations of the San Francisco Giants. He served as the team’s general manager for eighteen seasons, from 1997 to 2014. He succeeded general manager Bob Quinn. The Giants had a winning record in thirteen of the eighteen seasons in which Sabean served as general manager.
Sabean began his involvement in Major League Baseball as a scout for the New York Yankees organization in 1985. Sabean was promoted to Director of Scouting in 1986 and Vice President of Player Development/Scouting in 1990. With the Yankees, he drafted or signed as amateurs the likes of Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, J. T. Snow, Jorge Posada and Andy Pettitte. Sabean joined the Giants in 1993, serving as assistant to the general manager and vice president of scouting/player personnel. Sabean served one year as senior vice president of player personnel in 1995 before his promotion to general manager in 1996.
Samuel
What’s not to like about Brian Sabeans’ record as Giants GM?
But he left in 2014. That’s 7 years ago. Everything from how front offices operate to the number of departments and employees has changed radically. Those are now very technical operations. A POBO needs a staff of assistants and department heads that are technically up to date. And those assistants and department heads want to work with state-of-the-art equipment and techniques in order to stay current and keep themselves marketable – i.e. 1) they either want to be promoted and make more money or 2) be qualified for a position with another organization should they lose their current one. This is how technical areas work. I spent my career in one.
The Mets FO is already miles behind technically. That has little to do with Alderson and more to do with the Wilpon’s refusing to stay current cost due to their cost cutting.
A 7 year absence by an 21st century Executive is hard to overcome. Think how you use smartphones and PC’s today compared to 2014. Sociologists used to call this phenomenon ‘Culture Lag’. It’ll be difficult enough for Mr. Sabean to come up to speed on how day-to-day operations are conducted. It’s not wise to bring in a person that needs to catch up to how current hardware, software, and business processes work and put them in charge of overseeing the conversion. It usually results in disasters consequences (and if that’s not enough, ownership expects instant results). I saw it in my career numerous times.
If that’s not bad enough, a person such as Mr. Sabean will be under pressure daily from the Owner, possibly Alderson, the NYC media and fans to make instant magic happen.
This is a truly bad situation, and it’s being handled in an absurd way. If anything, all work going on to restructure the FO should be done quietly, behind the scenes. That fact that even brainstorming is being leaked to millions daily is surely scaring away not only qualified POBO candidates, but high level people they’ll need to hire in as well. Not to mention that Stroman, Conforto and other FA agents have to wonder if they want to sign for years to play in this environment when they have options.
imissjoebuzas
I will disagree with you on several points, but you are basically saying that Brian Sabean doesn’t know baseball and can’t spot talent
imissjoebuzas
As far as I know, baseball is only a video game for geeks. Yes, there are probabilities and patterns but patterns get broken and in fact are set only through repetition so you can get a statistically valid sample. I’ll bet you would predict Mike Hessman would be the most fantastic major leaguer. Look at those minor league stats! Look again. The game is still played by hitting, hitting for power, speed, arm strength, fielding, and decision making. That comes from playing and watching others play it. Brian Sabean has done both!
imissjoebuzas
He knows how to spot talent and heart and dedication to playing the game, even at the amateur level where statistics are a very small part of talent and development And scouting.
stymeedone
@Samuel
So.you think Brian Sabean has been under a rock for 7 years? Doubtful! I keep up with changes in the industry, and I don’t work in it for a living. I wouldn’t refer to it as an absence on Sabeans part. Any person who gets the position will be under the spotlight for all the things you mentioned. At least Sabean has experience with that, and that will be the hardest part of the job.
misterlol
Lol
SalaryCapMyth
Alderson was hired as a precondition to purchase the Mets. The other team owners felt more comfortable with him.
tidybowlman
Only a loser would call someone a loser with limited information. Do you KNOW Sabean? Do you know if he’s out of touch or has a history of something?
He was forced out by the Giants for some unknown reason, not considered for any other job and you want to blindly hire him to run the Mets?
bobtillman
Now, now, now, just because the Rays’ visiting clubhouse guy turned down the Mets GM job…….
Orioles Fan
Rojas is definitely a team player. I believe Trey is all but gone. The Orioles might can get a 2nd or 3rd starter plus some draft picks.
Ra
Makes no sense for Orioles to extend Mancini. Will not kill them to pay this final arb year for good feelings. But there are a bunch of players in the system who can do a better job filling 1B/Dh — including Mountcastle — for a lot cheaper..
lady1959
Exactly absolutely no sense. Orioles are just overflowing with talent. Kick Trey to the curb ⚾️
SalaryCapMyth
I really hate this for Mets fans. It was pretty funny for me for a while but Mets fans don’t deserve this circus act they are going through. I wonder if Cohen could clamp up on the steady flow of info that is coming out when he reaches out to a potential POBO.
bobtillman
I think it’s fair for the fan base (what’s left of it) to want to see the O’s extend Boom Boom. He’s still reasonably productive, and might even be more so as his recovery continues. He likes the city (not everybody does), relates well with the fans, and seems (according to reports anyway) to be a real positive influence.
It’s going to be a while before the O’s go anywhere; it’s a tough, tough division, and the rebuild hasn’t exactly been aggressive. And though the farm system is #1, that’s based on the real quality on top (Adley and G-Rod), and not so much on depth. The O’s have a LOT of money; too many pluses for Mancini’s to move him.
Samuel
As I wrote about, the situation with the O’s is only partially about players.
The Orioles FO was so far behind technically, that it’ll take years to bring them up to speed. Mike Elias worked under Jeff Luhnow with the Astros, and saw how long that process took. As at the same time they were upgrading technically, they were building a farm system and a player development area that included the majors as well as the minors. The results did not just show with their first WS title, but with a structure that has allowed to Astros to be a contender ever since.
The most important position in MLB today due to the constant turnover of pitchers, is Catcher. We heard a lot about Matt Wieters potential when he was in the minors and first came up. He turned out to be a quality backstop, but far from another Johnny Bench. Who knows what will happen with Adley
Rutschman. But so far those that have watched him play are impressed. Should he stay relatively healthy – physically and mentally – he might be the successor to Yadi as MLB’s premier Catcher. Getting him up a year or two ahead of their other prospects puts him in a position to be a team leader for the next 10 years. Nothing in life is guaranteed, but if one is building and organization and ML team literally from scratch, this is about the best anyone can hope for as a centerpiece.
PutPeteinthehall
Headline should have been : Bendix puts the brakes on going to the Mets!
Morgan sleeman
Development/Scouting in 1990.[4] With the Yankees, he drafted or signed as amateurs the likes of Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, J. T. Snow, Jorge Posada and Andy Pettitte.[5][6] Sabean joined the Giants in 1993, serving as assistant to the general manager and vice
TrillionaireTeamOperator
It doesn’t make any sense for either side to pursue an extension. He had a very solid come back season after beating cancer (F Cancer) but from a strategic and baseball standpoint his 2021 numbers are unspectacular. Everybody knows he has superstar *potential* but his WAR has been all over the map and his overall value and what can be expected out of him is still as yet pretty unclear.
I think a 1 year contract is in order and is the best option for both sides. If he plays alright but not amazingly, I think it’d make sense from a legacy standpoint to sign a 4 year extension with the Orioles after that, secure his financial future for real but remain imminently affordable by professional baseball standards. If he breaks out next year and realizes all the potential people see in him, he’s set himself up for a monster contract from somebody and he’d be wise to take it.
I think the options are:
1 year/$7.9M w/ the Orioles
1 year/$7.9M if he maintains this level of play, give him another 3 years/$38M or something.
If he busts out in 2022 and hits like .290 w/ 33 HR’s and has a 2.8+ WAR, he could be setting himself up for a solid 3 year/$56M deal, maybe 4 years/$70M. Would the O’s be comfortable giving him that? If they’re committed to rebuilding and don’t want to make another Chris Davis type mistake, probably not, even if there’s a ton of love and support for Mancini.
Basically Mancini’s situation isn’t worth making a definitive assessment on until the 2022 season concludes, so this should all be tabled until next year plays out and it should just be the 1 year final year of arbitration. And if the O’s are pretty much convinced that one way or another they intend to move on from Mancini, I’d give him some extra cash as a parting gift, in case his career winds up pretty mediocre after all the hope and hype. Like if he deserves 1 year/$7.9M, give him 1 year/$10M assuming he doesn’t get that 3-5 year deal at $15M AAV or so and won’t be able to get better than like, a 1 year/$4M come back deal, etc. until he retires at 33 or 34.
Who knows…
Rsox
Maybe Cohen could turn this into a reality tv show type of a game where the loser has to become the Mets PoBO
tidybowlman
This Mets garbage is really played out. They stole a top analytics guy from the Dodgers to lead their department and they have a fallback option for GM in Poter who’s under contract. Chill out people.
Billy Bean let Art Howe 2.0 leave for San Diego (thank goodness) and there are a LOT of great managers available. Showalter, Bochi, Hurdle, Gibbons, Ventura etc.and new blood like Beltran, and probably 20 guys I never heard of are all ready.
No free agents have signed, but the owner can buy whoever he wants and suck up any qualifying offer.
I don’t know what they’ll do, but Verlander, Stroman, Baez and one other bat is probably enough to complete next year. Maybe it’ll be a different configuration, but there are options.
In conclusion, everyone needs to STFU and worry about your own crappy teams. Only two teams are playing now and it’s probably not yours.
JoeBrady
I don’t know what they’ll do, but Verlander, Stroman, Baez and one other bat is probably enough to complete next year.
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Loving the sarcasm.
MarlinsFanBase
Rojas willing to play any position. I sense the Utility role and him trying to play a part in recruiting whichever SS misses the big market in this offseason’s musical chairs. Or, they may go big with Correa.
extreme113
O’s have been in rebuilding mode since 1983.
MarlinsFanBase
Facts say different.
Thornton Mellon
I like Mancini, and it says something about engendering loyalty to the team and showing you are attractive to top free agents by signing the guy for a few years. The Orioles had 5 great years 2012-16, and much of that was built by signing Nick Markakis and Adam Jones (the foundation of the team at the time) to long term deals.
But what is Mancini? A near average guy like 2021 and 2018? Or a very good to excellent player like 2019 and 2017?
I think if the Orioles get an offer they can’t refuse – such as the offer they got from Houston in Dec 2007 for Miguel Tejada – you do the trade. Otherwise you pay the guy a decent arbitration wage and wait and see. He will be 30 shortly.
If you are going to keep him as a building block transition for the (supposedly) next set of competitive years then sign the guy for 3-4 years for a decent but not super guarantee on a heavily incentive-laden contract. That way you pay for the Mancini you’re getting. If you don’t see him in the long term picture, max the value now although that comes at large risk to the 19 remaining fans and the perspective of rewarding loyalty and building clubhouse morale.