There are a few options for teams playing at the top of the starting pitching market to choose from this winter. Max Scherzer should land the highest average annual value, but his age (37) might cap the length of those offers at three years. Carlos Rodón had an utterly dominant platform year, but he dealt with some shoulder concerns at the end of the season that could be a red flag for teams. Marcus Stroman has a long track record of durability, great strike-throwing and elite ground-ball numbers, but he doesn’t miss bats the way most teams covet from their top-of-the-rotation arms.
It’s not out of the question someone from that trio could land a deal that surpasses general expectations. It seems more likely, though, that Kevin Gausman and Robbie Ray will ultimately wind up battling one another for the highest overall guarantee among pitchers. Let’s dig into each player’s profile to determine which one teams should have at the top of their preference lists.
For the first few seasons of his career, Gausman occasionally flashed the potential that had made him a top five draft pick. But he also had bouts of inconsistency and struggled badly enough in 2019 to be waived by the Braves and then non-tendered by the Reds, who had plucked him off the wire.
Since signing with the Giants over the 2019-20 offseason, Gausman has taken his game to a new level. His 3.62 ERA in 2020 was among the best marks of his career, and even that belied elite strikeout and walk numbers. That came in only twelve outings because of the shortened season, and Gausman accepted a qualifying offer last winter in hopes of proving he’d markedly improved over a bigger body of work.
Betting on himself is in position to pay off handsomely. Gausman stayed healthy all year, working 192 innings of 2.81 ERA ball. He didn’t quite sustain his 2020 strikeout rate, but this past season’s 29.3% mark still checked in fourteenth among the 129 hurlers with 100+ innings. Gausman’s 15.3% swinging strike rate was even more impressive, placing fifth among that same group. He’ll now market back-to-back great years of performance. He has missed bats at an elite level for the past few seasons, and the righty has always had plus control.
There’s not a whole lot to nitpick about Gausman’s numbers, although it’s at least worth considering that he succeeds somewhat non-traditionally. He’s tinkered with different breaking pitches but has never found an effective one. Instead, he leaned more heavily than ever on his four-seam fastball (52.7%) and splitter (35.3%) in 2021. Per Statcast, Gausman was one of just fourteen starting pitchers to use a split more than 10% of the time. Most teams are probably willing to look past that unconventional repertoire, since Gausman now has a multi-year track record of great play. Still, it’s a lot more common to see aces with a Ray-like arsenal (primarily fastball-slider), and that could be a factor for some clubs.
Great as Gausman was this past season, Ray was arguably better. The southpaw posted a 2.84 ERA over 193 1/3 frames. He thrived in a division that sent three other teams to the playoffs and split his year between a trio of home ballparks, all of which seemed to be favorable for hitters. Gausman spent the year in the National League, where he’d get to face the opposing pitcher on most nights; Ray wasn’t as fortunate pitching in the American League. And while Gausman turns 31 in January, Ray will pitch almost all of next season at age-30 before turning 31 in October.
Ray’s underlying metrics were similarly elite. He fanned 32.1% of opponents, the sixth-highest mark leaguewide. Ray checked in one spot ahead of Gausman on the swinging strike rate leaderboard, with his 15.5% mark ranking fourth. When batters did make contact against Ray, they were more successful than they’d been hitting against Gausman. Ray was more prone to hard contact and fly balls, and he indeed gave up more home runs. But on a batter-by-batter basis, they were similarly effective at preventing baserunners. Opponents hit .210/.267/.401 against Ray; they batted .210/.264/.345 off Gausman.
Of course, teams will take the players’ pre-2021 bodies of work into account when making a decision of this magnitude. For Gausman versus Ray, that only makes things more complicated. While Gausman was great in 2020, Ray had an awful season. He walked 17.9% of batters faced that year, posting a 6.62 ERA in 51 2/3 innings. It was a nightmarish year, but it’s also easy to see teams writing that off as a fluke. Not only was 2020 a season of inherent small samples, Ray made an obvious alteration to his throwing mechanics entering that year. Clearly, Ray’s pre-2020 adjustments negatively impacted his control, but he returned to his original throwing motion in 2021, as he explained to Kaitlyn McGrath of the Athletic last month.
While Gausman’s 2020 was unquestionably better than Ray’s, the latter had the better career track record going into that year. He was an All-Star in 2017, a year in which he finished seventh in NL Cy Young Award voting. He had a top ten strikeout rate (minimum 100 innings) every season from 2016-19. So while Ray was one of the worst pitchers in baseball in 2020, he certainly hasn’t come out of nowhere.
To recap: Gausman and Ray had similarly elite platform seasons. The former was also great in 2020, while the latter had a terrible season. Ray was far better before 2020, though, and he’s nearly a full year younger. Now, we’ll turn it over to the readership. Whom should teams looking to make a splash in free agency this winter prefer: Gausman or Ray?
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I Like Big Bunts
Robbie Ray is easily the better investment.
Fever Pitch Guy
Agreed! While they have very similar 2021 numbers, Ray did it in a DH league in the toughest division in MLB. And 2020 numbers are meaningless because it wasn’t a real season.
Amazing how similar their numbers though.
misterlol
Lol
deweybelongsinthehall
Not sure I’d pay big money to either. Depends on the offer. A fair comparison might be Eovaldi on the high side. When DD re-inked him, most thought it was an overpay. Now look at him. That said he’d the ultimate roll of the dice guy and I’m just not willing to play craps with either of these guys (not that it’s my dice, lol).
Fever Pitch Guy
With Eovaldi I think the two TJS and short track record of good health is what concerned fans. He was a very hot commodity as a free agent, I think around 15 teams had serious interest in him. And he was injured for most of the first year of his contract (2019).
One reason the Sox gave him the money was his performance in big games such as postseason and vs the NYY, which made him more valuable to Boston than to other non-AL East teams.
His 1.102 WHIP against NYY and 1.217 WHIP against the Rays are his best against any AL team except Texas (approx 1/3 the IP) which of course is his home state.
Nate is the epitome of a big game pitcher, hope the Sox sign him to an extension.
And he should NOT have Vazquez as his catcher:
2020 Vazquez = 4.98 ERA
2020 Plawecki = 0.64 ERA
2021 Vazquez = 4.77 ERA
2021 Plawecki = 3.28 ERA
2021 Wong = 2.66 ERA
socraticgadfly
If the price is right, Ray could be a nice lefty addition for El Birdos …
Datashark
Robbie Ray is FOOLS GOLD.
Gausman pound for pound is a better pitcher.
Both going into age 31
Career FIP => Guasman 3.88 Ray 4.04
Ray is better at the K rate, but since guasman came to giants his K rate dramatically increased.
Gausman year by year showed better consistency than Ray and its not AL vrs NL both pitchers worst years were in NL with pitchers batting.
If you look at performance moving forward its Gausman. Ray is prone to being lit up more than Gausman and the changes he made reflect that more.
Mrivers
Fools gold routinely threw his FB at 96-97 mph, making the difference along with greatly improved control. Always had great slider, always gave up hard contact. He will be good as long as his velocity stays up. Not fools gold.
Datashark
“He will be good as long as his velocity stays up. ” – at age 31 season that is the scary part if he solely relies on that velocity.
check back next season – I bet Gausman will be the better numbers pitcher
Mrivers
31 is not old. He should be fine for a couple of years. He and Gausman are on the same level overall.
Vizionaire
both performed very well in the year before the free agency. either they have just discovered how to pitch or they will go back to their norm once they take the money.
Giants74
Umm…Gausman was a free agent after 2020.
bigdaddyt
Ummmm as was Ray. Best 8 million Rogers ever spent
A'sfaninUK
No ring = 8 million wasted.
tstats
Says the As fan
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
The A’s don’t spend money
GabeItch
In that case, the A’s wasted a ton of money for a lesser result.
geg42
Yeah, only because Joe Carter never made more than $7.5M
Mrivers
Dumb statement.
bhambrave
The Angels should sign both of them.
Get Off My Mound
They definitely should. Knowing Arte Moreno, he’ll go for Javy Baez and Marcus Stroman, and will probably end up more with the likes of Jonathan Villar and Danny Duffy.
bhambrave
Or Cole Hamels and Andrew Romine.
Noel1982
No arte is gonna pay Rosario like this post season is his new norm
kassem313
Robbie Ray Better pitcher! Worth the money for 3 years
30 Parks
I’d be wary of both Ray & Gausman.
Baseball 1600
I feel like this is the story almost every year in free agency with SPs… many thought Wheeler’s inconsistent past with New York would make him bound to fail in Philly…pitchers are just very volatile and risky to invest in just one. That’s why the Giants plan of spreading the money last offseason worked so well.
YankeesBleacherCreature
The Angels have been buying fake fairy dust.
Mrivers
For 5 years yes. For 3 years no.
tstats
Guasman fell off with the sticky bam
BLB25!
he fell off in the second half, but how about you go check his spin rates for the seaon before talking nonsense
tstats
I didn’t say it was cause of spin… control maybe just making a point that it happened near the same time
lady1959
I love sticky bam. ⚾️
tstats
Touche I messed up
bhambrave
Sounds like a breakfast pastry.
Buzz Saw
He pitched with a hip injury that got worse as the year went on which is why his pitch count was down in the second half because he started to feel it tighten up at around 75 pitches.
tedtheodorelogan
He seemed to have fallen off right when he went on paternity leave. I’ve noticed this happening with other players as well.
StudWinfield
Pretty close but I’d go with gausman. Ray had a better year but I’d be hesitant that his BB rate isn’t an outlier. Be surprised if both of them don’t get a Wheeler size deal. Both are better this year than Wheeler in his walk year but Wheeler’s overall production had been more consistent. Good for both of them.
Dustyslambchops23
There’s a pretty decent track record of lefties not finding control under their late twenties. I wouldn’t bank 150mil on it but there is some precedent for whatever reason
TalkSomeSense
That’s the thing with Ray. I would bet 3@ 28 for a contract in the 85m range but he will likely get 5-6 yr nearing 130-150 which would add significant risk to the contract.
Camden453
It’s pretty close but Ray is far superior in avg exit velocity, barrel%, and hardhit%. BB% is almost identical.
Ray is giving up substantially less hard contact at the same BB%. No question then Ray is more valuable . Also, Ray K% is higher
BRUH.SF.BRUH
Didn’t the article say Ray gave up more hard contact and home runs?
Datashark
you are incorrect career wise
Guasman FIP = 3.88 to Ray 4.04
last season FIP
Guasman = 3.00
Ray = 3.69
Dustyslambchops23
Imagine reading this article in 2019 lol
Central Valley
It will be very interesting to see what Farhan Zaidi does with their starting pitching staff next year?
Does he have to bring back Gausman?
bigj
Giants are going to not only sign one of these SP, they might sign both or add a Stroman or Rodon in with them. Then resign either Wood or Desclafani.
Central Valley
Zaidi definitely will have the green light to spend as he wishes. Ownership just witnessed their roster impressively win 107 games, when nobody gave them much of a chance. Truly remarkable how it transpired.
It will be very interesting to see how their off-season plays out.
Mrivers
Not Wood because of injury history, but DeSclafani probably.
Baseball 1600
Gausman and a few reclamation projects. I think Sammy Long will be in that rotation as well, and probably Beede as a swing man (though I have no personal faith that he will ever fix his control issues)
Giants will probably invest in building another good bullpen, it really carried them in the second half of the season in 2021.
Buzz Saw
I see Sammy Long more as depth in case of injury
BRUH.SF.BRUH
Yeah Sammy Long is probably more of a taxi squad guy.
TonyGwynnSD19
#SF Giants get BOUNCED in first round of playoffs. Now, Zaidi and their overly sentimental fan base want to bring all the same guys back ? LOL
m34josh
Na, we just want to be sure they don’t sign all the guys underperforming for the Padres. They’ve proven they can’t win anything
Giants74
I wondered when I was going to see Birkenstock Boi next. Why are you so overly sensitive about the Giants? You get so triggered. You are like a battered child. You keep coming back for more abuse. Oh well, I guess some people like playing the fool. You are so accomplished at it. A five tool fool.
SalaryCapMyth
@Tony. Notice how close that five game series between the Dodgers and Giants was? If the Dodgers lose this series, Giants fans can make a legitimate argument that a big part of it was because the Giants took a lot out of them. You trash talking just kind of highlights the failure of your own team.
mattwild1
Kinda like the Padres did to them in the 2020 NLDS.
Oh wait that’s right… they got swept.
Buzz Saw
And who just got fired as a manager?
Giants74
@salarycap After last season, it was complaining that the Giants didn’t have a winning record. It also has had like 15 different aliases. Kinda pathetic.
Central Valley
Are the Padres going to sign Bruce Bochy?
He’d bring steady leadership like Dusty Baker has for the Astros. Bochy is a good man.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Where were the Padres? Oh that’s right, they were on vacation.
Mystery Team
I wouldn’t trust either one of them enough to give them a long term deal. Neither one of them has a solid enough track record to make me want to back up the Brink’s truck so to speak. I’d like to see another year from each before I’d even consider anything over a couple of years.
Central Valley
Either way, Logan Webb is now the Giants #1 starting pitcher. That kid has a bright future.
Regardless if Gausman resigns in San Francisco.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I don’t think either has enough of a track record to warrant more than 2-3 years no matter what the AAV. If either wants 4 years the first and last year should to be heavily heavily discounted or the AAV has to drop by $7.5M per season or something on whatever a 2-3 year deal would have been.
2 years/$70M
3 years/$90M
4 years/$100M but structured $35M, $30M, $20M, $15M
SalaryCapMyth
What we think of reasonable costing contracts tends to get inflated when FO’s are competing against each other.
YankeesBleacherCreature
They’re both getting at least 4 years each. Your proposed contract structure would never be on the table with the possibility of a lockout.
A'sfaninUK
There is not one free agent out there that’s more a red flag than Gausman. I can almost guarantee he will instantly be bad next year, or maybe not “bad” but more like the Orioles-Gausman than the Giants one.
tstats
Sorry wood is an FA
Baseball 1600
Haha that’s what they said when the Giants offered him a QO. He said his major issue in the second half was a mechanical one with the release point of his splitter. Check his final two starts in Denver and vs. SD where he adjusted his release point, he was dominant.
ltully789
“I can almost guarantee he will instantly be bad next year”
Well, since your batting average on predictions has been roughly akin to Max Scherzer’s BA in 2021, your “guarantee” is worth precisely bupkis.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Rob Ray had more control of different pitches. Gausman never could develop a third pitch
User 4245925809
Agree Lefty. memories of him from the past getting clobbered in the AL East. I’d be scared honestly giving either and especially Gausman more than 2y.
Shatner
Ray pitched in a tougher division with smaller ballparks and pretty tough lineups to face day in and day out. He stayed healthy all year as well. Depends on the cost I guess for each I would take Gausman if it was a cheaper contract and could improve in other areas as well.
GETBUCKETS
If you’re making it about division competition….
How about gausman pitching against Padres and Dodgers lineups? Having to go to Rockies ball park?
Baseball 1600
I really think Gausman will resign with SF. He’s found a home here.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Also, his second half was not a good ending note so odds are not many teams will go crazy for him
Mario93
Blue Jays, bring Stroman back and call it a day. Cheaper then Ray and Gausman, and could be just as effective possibly.
Dustyslambchops23
I don’t think they do that
Central Valley
How did the Giants fix Gausman? Truly amazing how they were able to improve those players on their roster.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
And how did they fix Webb? He had a career 5.36 ERA across 19 starts and 2 relief appearances coming into 2021
GETBUCKETS
I would lean toward gausman
Idk why he just seems more consistent and good floor in what you’re getting
Ray has the higher ceiling though
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
I would actually say Gausman has the better ceiling. He had a 2.06 ERA in the first half of 2021 before struggling a little bit in the second half.
123redsox
KG was never that good until this year and ray was outstanding a few years ago and then got hurt. Ray deserves the better deal if he stays healthy.
Jean Matrac
123redsox:
Not true Gausman had a 110 ERA+ in his 2nd season, age 23. And he had a 119 ERA+ 2 years later. He was very good in his short stints with the Braves in 2018 and Reds in 2019.
As the article states he was inconsistent, but he was never really bad except for the 47.2 IP in his rookie season, and an 80 IP stretch with the Braves in 2019. He had a 138 ERA+ over the past 2 seasons. So to say he was only good in 2021 is pretty far off the mark.
BRUH.SF.BRUH
@123 he was good last year as well.
sfjackcoke
The question isn’t so much how did the Giants fix Gausman is how did they manage to get improved performance from multiple pitchers who’ve come into the organization the past few seasons. I think other teams and in particular other players have to take notice of what the staff in SF has done and look at that team as a desired destination.
Ray might have a higher ceiling but I feel as if Gausman’s floor is higher due to more history of having command/control. which will benefit him as his velocity declines. At least with Gausman a lot of the underlying metrics, the SO/BB rates, have been there. Man when Ray is out of whack… it’s just not pretty.
I think Gausman ultimately stays in SF, seems to be a mutually beneficial working relationship, he’s unlocked his potential as a high pick there and they have financial means and want to retain him..
Jean Matrac
I didn’t vote because I think they’re close enough that it all comes down to which ballpark they’re signed to pitch in. Given, as the article states, that Ray is more prone to hard contact and fly balls, I think I’d prefer Gausman for a team like the Reds, Rockies, Red Sox, or any team where that could mean an uptick in HRs allowed. But Ray is probably the better choice for a park like what the Tigers, Cards, or Mariners call home.
Rsox
Its a tough call but I’ll go with Ray because quality lefty starters are harder to come by
Jean Matrac
I see a couple posts here saying not to sign either for more than 2 or 3 years. Maybe in a buyers market, but otherwise that’s delusional. Both pitchers will have multiple suitors, and any 2 or 3 year offer in going straight into the shredder. Players tend to take the longer/lower AAV deal over the reverse. They’ll probably get 4-5 year offers minimum, and any team willing to go 6 years stands a good chance.
Treehouse22
Pittsburgh Post Gazette reporting that the Pirates have offered Gausman, Ray and Stroman each identical 3 year/$4.2 million contracts. Apparently, all 3 have said they’d like to keep those offers on the back burner and see if they can get a little more elsewhere. We’ll see.
ltully789
In response to the Pirates’ offers, the A’s have said that the price tag for those three is now too high and they’re officially out.
Bigtimeyankeefan
Don’t be surprised if Yankees end up with ray. Cashman has always wanted him. Last year Steinbrenner wouldn’t give him the $, but I believe this year the wallet will be open. Of course that being said, I honestly do not believe there will be baseball until at least June because owners and players will not sign a new agreement that fast.
citizen
Both show flashes of brilliance but are inconsistent. I’m sure there are better option in the minors
m34josh
If there were, they would be in the Majors
rangers92
Gausman has been good for 3 years straight now that he relies on 4 seamer up in the zone for strikeouts and splitter to induce grounders/weak contact and also strikeouts.
I would go with Gausman
Sadface
Gausman wasn’t all that great for the Orioles or Braves. So probably just the right team at the right time kind of thing. If he goes back to Baltimore he wouldn’t be nearly as good as he was this year with the Giants. Then again a lot of the Giants suddenly had great years and this is an older team not a bunch of prospects finally living up to their potential. I see the Giants resigning Gausman and all of the Giants going back to being subpar next year.