After a lengthy silence on the contract status of manager Aaron Boone, the Yankees announced Tuesday that they’ve signed their skipper to a three-year deal that runs through the 2024 campaign. Boone’s contract also contains a club option for the 2025 season. His prior contract had been set to expire after the World Series.
“We have a person and manager in Aaron Boone who possesses the baseball acumen and widespread respect in our clubhouse to continue to guide us forward,” owner Hal Steinbrenner said in a statement within this morning’s press release. “As a team and as an organization, we must grow, evolve and improve. We need to get better. Period. I know Aaron fully embraces our expectations of success, and I look forward to drawing on his intelligence, instincts and leadership in pursuit of our next World Series championship.”
It’s been two weeks since the Yankees’ season ended in a 6-2 loss at the hands of their archrival Red Sox. Along the way, New York parted with hitting coach Marcus Thames, third base coach Phil Nevin and assistant hitting coach P.J. Pilittere — all amid wide-ranging speculation about broader changes. Boone, however, will not only return for the 2022 campaign but on a multi-year deal that’ll keep him in the Yankees’ dugout through at least the 2024 season.
Boone, 48, was hired in the 2017-18 offseason following the departure of longtime skipper Joe Girardi. He’s spent four years at the helm in the Bronx, managing the team to a 328-218 regular-season record and reaching the postseason in all four years he’s been with the club — including a 2019 division championship. Those ’19 Yankees made it to an ALCS showdown against the Astros but fell in six games, which represents the deepest run they’ve made in Boone’s four years.
Expectations are perennially sky-high in the Bronx, and four straight years without a World Series appearance under Boone has prompted a vocal portion of the fanbase to call for a change in the dugout. Steinbrenner said back in July, however, that Boone was “absolutely” the right person to lead the team moving forward (although he also voiced confidence in the coaching staff at the same time, and there will be considerable turnover in that regard). His view apparently has not changed. Steinbrenner’s late father, George, was known for more impulsive changes, but Hal emphasized in that July press conference that he’s his own person while also pointing out that many of his father’s rash personnel changes did not pay dividends.
Boone is now under contract for a longer period of time than general manager Brian Cashman, whose previous five-year contract runs through the 2022 season. Steinbrenner has been vocally supportive of Cashman, just as he has Boone, so a new deal at some point wouldn’t register as a major surprise. That said, with a year to go on that contract, ownership needn’t feel any urgency to begin discussions.
The YES Network’s Jack Curry first reported that Boone would be returning on a new three-year contract with a club option for a fourth season (Twitter links).
But he has no coaches
Doesn’t matter, this is still GREAT news!! I’m ecstatic! Best thing that could have ever happened. It’s not even a 2-year deal, it’s a 3-year deal which means little chance of him getting fired after next season.
What an excellent way to start the day!!
Thanks Hal, awesome!!!
I was thinking they had their eye on someone who was under contract to a team still playing and they were keeping Boone as a back up plan. Strange how this was announced after two coaches were fired. Should have been finalized first.
If Boone brought the coaches with him, which typically a new manager does, then I can understand why Cashman would fire them before bringing Boone back.
Help me here……
Yankee pitchers improved radically after Rothschild was fired (I urged that here for 3 years, and the Yankees hired Matt Blake from Cleveland’s pitching factory). It’s pretty clear that Boone had no influence on the pitching staff, and has been questionable in his usage of same.
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Now, name me one position player other than Urshela on the Yankees that has improved his overall game in the last 3 years with Boone. Name one guy that’s been developed and upped his game at the major league level. Frazier? Glayber? Sánchez? Wade? Andújar? Voit? Judge? Stanton?
What does a player upping his game have to di with Boone. He manages the game snd the dugout/ clubhouse. The GM / coaches bring in the players and COACH them. Sometimes players get better but that’s not Boone’s fault
Upping a game has everything to do with a manager!
In Boone’s case (and your point) is that he’s an administrator. He makes out the line-up card after mid-day consultation from the Yankee analytic staff and FO consultants. He makes moves based on what they project in the meetings. He does PR with the media before and after the game. He has some words with his players. He makes sure the guys ware the right unis that day, and makes sure all expense reports are filled out correctly. Hands out memos to the players, coaching staff, trainers and clubhouse people coming from the Commissioners Office and Yankee management.
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And don’ forget..he blows lovely BUBBLES on the dugout steps….George is turning over in his grave right now. This is a joke beyond jokes….!!!!
DJ LeMahieu did quite well under Aaron Boone. He was banged up this season but prior to that, DJL elevated his game to new levels. Also, Boone finally got something out of Stanton this year by keeping him healthy for most of the season.
Also, keep in mind that the positional coaches generally work with the players on their day to day skills and not the manager. Managers might take a player or two under their wing (like Alex Cora did with Raffy Devers) but for the most part it’s up to the positional coaches to do that. See the work Ron Washington does with the ATL infield every day…he’s really helped them improve their defense immensely. At the end of the day, the manager is responsible for wins and losses and Aaron Boone has quite a successful track record there.
So Boone gets credit for LeMahieu’s good play, but not his bad (679 PA in 2021, he couldn’t have been that injured). What about the rest of the team? Several other players have had a bad season (Torres, Urshela, Gallo), what credit does Boone get for them?
I think it remains to be seen what DJ’s real level of talent is. He had a career OPS+ of only 93 in Colorado, and that was thru age 29. You usually don’t improve after that. Great year in 2019, but the ball was juiced. Great year in 2020, but his BABIP was .370 against a career .340. And his HR/FB was 27% against a career 10%. What we might be seeing is a simple reversion.
Who else would the Yankees want?
@ Dennyd- He was asking which players improved under Boone so I gave him a couple, but noted more importantly that it’s not the manager’s job to work directly with players on improvement. That’s what the fielding coaches and hitting coaches do. NY was obviously on the same page as they fired their hitting coach and their 3rd base coach (who usually works with IFs on their defense).
The true measure of a managers success is wins and losses and their ability to connect with and motivate the players while meeting front office expectations as well. Boone seems to excel at this.
judge is sneaking towards the clubhouse exit
when boone appears from nowhere:
“yeaaah, i’m gonna need you to stay late and finish those TPS report”
Still it says a lot. if the Yankees don’t win next year, he can still be replaced. His contract doesn’t count against the tax threshold.
“Name one guy that’s been developed and upped his game at the major league level. Frazier? Glayber? Sánchez? Wade? Andújar? Voit? Judge? Stanton?”
Frazier and Andujar can’t fairly be included because both have been the victims of injuries and illness. Boone’s not responsible for that. Judge, likewise, has been injured a lot. He’s had only two seasons without substantial time on the IL, and only one since they hired Boone.
Gleyber’s apparently harmful move to shortstop wasn’t Boone’s idea — it was Cashman’s. Short sample, but as soon as they moved him back to second base, too late, he rebounded.
Wade had the best season of his career, finally getting enough plate appearances to show something.
Voit doesn’t have much of a game to “up.” He’s a one-dimensional, slow, oft-injured DH masquerading as a first baseman. What do you want Boone to do — make him faster?
Do I even have to answer about Stanton? See above, about injury-riddled seasons. Whose fault is it that he was kept out of the outfield? Do you think Boone had the latitude to put him in the field without Cashman’s approval, with all the money riding on Stanton’s bloated, backloaded contract?
And why is it no credit to Boone — all to Blake — that the pitching improved, but it’s all Boone’s fault — not the fault of Thames and Pilletere — that the hitting digressed? Seems like some pretty selective assignment of blame there, Samuel.
For the record, I think Blake did a great job and deserves a raise, especially given the iffy rotation that Cashman gave him to work with.
as a Sox fan I am pretty excited about this also!
Exactly the reason FPG is ecstatic.
You people are SO OBSESSED with the Yankees! Your team is in the middle of an ALCS against the Astros, and your fans are chanting “Yankees suck!”? Still?
You know that the team in the other dugout isn’t the Yankees, right?
Aren’t you embarrassed?
Remember when the Yankees were playing the Astros in the ALCS and all those Yankee fans were chanting “Boston sucks!”?
Me neither.
Best comment in this thread. Red Sox fans are the most immature, infantile fans in all of sports along with Raiders fans. The fact that they continue to chant “Yankees suck” after clearly passing us in terms of a successful franchise for years now shows just how juvenile they are. Red Sox fans entire existence is centered around the Yankees. I simply can not watch ANY game in The Green Latrine, Fenway Park. It’s an absolutely pathetic sight to behold. I don’t see Patriots, Bruins or Celtics fans acting like a bunch of adolescents.
I’m kinda surprised to see this to be honest. Savages in the box
Boone has a .601 winning %. Look up to see where he is all time I’m guessing it’s pretty high. Couple of those years he lost to teams that were cheating so calling him a choker in the playoffs is beyond stupid. Bringing him back was a no brainer to anyone with any intelligence whatsoever.
what has that .601% gotten the team….and so called “ownership”””. In case you didnt know , sports is about the bottom line and winning championships….Pleeeeease
Yankee766766 the playoffs are a bunch of coin flips. Make the playoffs enough you’ll eventually win won. I don’t expect fans to understand this simple concept though.
Says playoffs are a coin flip, then proceeds to complain about losing to cheaters.
@Maclunkey everything he said makes complete sense, the playoffs are defiantly a coin flip when all else is equal but if you add something like cheating into the equation its changes it. This really is self-evident; you shouldn’t need it explained to you.
The playoffs are not just “a bunch of coin flips.” Sure there is some luck involved in the outcome of postseason games but at the end of the day if the players don’t perform the team isn’t going to win, it’s that simple. You could make a strong argument that the Dodgers are better than the Braves and the Astros are better than the Red Sox even though those two teams are down right now. The Dodgers are down 0-2 because they’re not hitting with runners in scoring position. The Astros are down 1-2 because their paper thin rotation has imploded. That’s not luck or a coin flip. That’s players underperforming
There is luck, but not completely random. What gets overlooked is that building a 162-game team is not the same as building a team for 11/12 playoff wins.
During the regular season, having 5-6 quality SPs, plus a good offense, will win 90+ games. In the playoffs, it often revolves around having 2 really good SPs, and a good #3. So far, for the RS, it’s been Eovaldi 3x, ERod 3x, and Sale 2x. The 162-game advantage that teams have because they get quality starts from their #4/5 disappears.
I’d say that, imho, the NYY biggest drawback is that their #2 is more like a good #3, and less like a weak #1.
Ronk the playoffs are a bunch of coin flips. Not reading the rest of your post just going to assume it’s wrong too like the first sentence. It’s not debatable either, they’re coin flips.
Yeah Joe I agree some luck goes into it but the players still have to perform. You’re right about the Yankees rotation as well. Sevy was supposed to be the #2 but he’s been ravaged by injuries. Monty and Taillon are both capable of being a #3 but they were both also pitching their first full seasons coming off TJS. Overall though their rotation is in a much better state than it was a couple years ago assuming they stay healthy
No Iverbure it’s not just a coin flip. Yes some luck is involved but players have to perform. If you’re not hitting with RISP or nobody in your rotation can make it past the third inning you’re not going to win. If the Dodgers and Astros get bounced nobody in either organization is going to accuse “luck” of not being in their favor. They’re going to look directly at the areas where they didn’t execute
Ronk yes it is.
There’s several articles about this.
https://statsbylopez.netlify.app/post/part-ii-randomness-of-series/
Here’s just one of 1000s that’s been written.
It’s ok for you to admit you’re ignorant and don’t know enough on this subject to have a opinion. Not reading any of your posts past the first sentence until you start by saying mlb post season is a coin flip.
Until mlb uses a 75 game series to determine the post season winner the playoffs will be a crapshoot.
Nothing is ever truly a crap shoot. If it was, then all playoff teams would have identical odds, which they don’t. Even for one year, they favorite is the favorite, but not by much. But over a longer period, the correlation increases.
Joe – I agree. With the Red Sox, the biggest advantage they have now is being able to use their #4 and #5 starters (Pivetta & Houck) in long or short relief. That’s because Boston really has only one SP that usually goes at least 6 IP. So in the regular season, when Eovaldi wasn’t pitching, it was typically Cora using middle relievers for the 5th-8th innings.
But now, with Houck and sometimes Pivetta in the pen for the postseason, that changes everything.
Do you realize that the data in that article is just a long winded way of proving my point? The idea that the “better team” not being guaranteed the win means it’s a crapshoot is absurd. The game isn’t played on paper. One team being better than another is determined by which teams’ players perform better.
It’s ok for you to admit that you’re just ignorant in general. You choose not to read what I have to say because you choose to believe that your opinion is fact
Either its a coin-flip and nothing really matters or cheating matters. They are polar opposites so you have to pick one.
False dichotomy. Saying it’s a coin flip isn’t saying that literally nothing matters, it’s saying that any team can beat any team in a short series.
Right but you can’t just blame every postseason loss on a “coin flip.” His argument is asinine
Getting to the post season helps the bottom line. He’s done that pretty consistently. I haven’t looked into this for NY specifically, but generally, being a competitive team will also increase the bottom line, as teams that are good (obvious exceptions aside) sell well..
How many championships have they won? I’ll tell you Zero!!
The Yankees were one of the teams cheating.
The Yankees were also cheating at the same time. In fact it was them who taught Houston, via Carlos Beltran.
This might have 500 comments by the end of the day. I am waiting on Ducky’s take on this.
@Fly over fan- no he has coaches, he just can’t pick any of them…
No GM either.
Coaches? He ain’t got no coaches. He don’t need no coaches. He don’t have to show you any stinking coaches!
It’s really hard to understand what Aaron Boone specifically brings to the table that warrants a 3 year extension after only one division title in 4 years and no pennants on an unbelievably talented (and high paid) roster. The guy inherited a roster that was a game away from the pennant in 2017, added Stanton and Cole, and still can’t get it done.
1) Stanton is below average when only DHing, told Hank that in ST when they first got him…
2) Cole has to learn to pitch without cheating…
3) Chapman, see 2) above…
4) THE REDSOX HAVE Kyle Schwarber, one of the best post-season bats around, the Yankees chose to go with tick-boy…, good move there…
5) The list goes on…
How is the Aaron Boone’s fault?
Stanton’s not below average when DH’ing, he’s just good instead of great because his abilities are limited. I don’t disagree or agree with the Cole one, I just think he had a bad couple starts towards the end of the year, and his mechanics were inconsistent. Chapman was struggling with a broken nail during that times his ERA was in the 4s, and the end of the year for him was nearly as good as his start of the year stats. I do agree with the Schwarber point, however. But not the tick-boy joke, We really need another great Postseason player to help carry us like Schwarber or Bumgarner.
I agree on Stanton. His issue is that he is merely good, and not great. And he is likely to decline as he ages, but is still a good player.
IRT Cole, I am not sure why the press doesn’t discuss it, but he hurt his hamstring in September. He was lights out in maybe 6-7 starts before then, got hurt, had one good start, and then disappeared.
I’m not sure why they don’t ask Boone if the injury was bothering him, and if the problem wasn’t Cole, but was the fact that they didn’t put him on the 10-day DL.
Stanton and Judge shortened their swings which led to more linedrives, HRs, and less injuries. That DH narrative was due to lazy analysis.
Good point about Schwarber: clutch, lefty and with a made-for-the-Stadium swing.
This is a difference maker, not that strikeout machine wearing 13.
3+ WAR at DH. But yea, so below average when DHing. If you’re gonna talk smack about Stanton, atleast say something that actually makes sense/applies to him.
@Pete above
Must admit I like Stanton – but he runs the paths like a baby hippo.
Is that ok?
With NYY I’d be looking at the medical team from top to bottom and what runes they read, and an analytics department that crunched all the numbers and came up with a giant custard pie and Joey Gallo.
Now I like Gallo (he needs to get on the phone to Matt Olsen and find out WTF Olsen did in the off season) but he’s the epitome of TTO old skool curse & new skool saber darling.
Boone just has to work the custard better.
Now this applies to Stanton. Dude just doesn’t run the bases anymore, but that is also due to his hamstring injuries. Guys who seem to always have hammy issues just dont run the bases good, they dont want to continuously reaggravate it.
@ Pete – thanks but you don’t agree about the custard bit?
Stanton’s overall WAR was 3.1 bWAR and 2.6 fWAR, any games as DH lowers his WAR, and he hit better when he wasn’t playing DH. 108 starts of 134 at DH. He hit .267/.351/.491/.843 as a DH which is good. To me that is just not $30 million a year great.
Oh it most definitely is not $30 mil a year great. Its not even great, that wasn’t at all my point. My point is just that it isnt below average, as Johnmac had suggested.
I think if they could get that kind of performance at DH every team would take it if they were paying less.
I don’t think the roster is unbelievably talented. I also think Boone has dealt with significant injuries every season and still kept the Yankees competitive. Just my opinion.
Fair enough. Look, I didn’t want Boone back, but I can put up with him. I wanted someone new this year because there were better options available. He’s not as bad of a manager as we all think. The issue is that he’s nothing like the last couple of managers we’ve had, which annoys a lot of people. Only fault he has that needs to be fixed ASAP is bullpen management. Otherwise, he really doesn’t do much wrong, but he doesn’t do a lot right either.
Bullpen is literally the least concern lol
Holmes and paralta worked out very well
No one outside of Pittsburg knew who he was now he’s a valuable part of the pen
Holmes worked out well but he has worked out well for stretches in Pittsburgh too then, Boom!! real ugly. Hope for his sake that he figured things out but he had several highs followed by ugly lows in the past.
Total misconception that Boone mismanages the bullpen. Based on leverage, his best non-closer relievers were used in the highest non closing spots. Loasiga, Green, Holmes, etc. ranked near the top of highest leverage bullpen innings. That’s how it should be. No relievers in the pen were better than those three. It’s an organization philosophy not to use relievers three days in a row. Their bullpen was actually fantastic this year. The Yankees were near the top in games decided by one or two runs so of course their bullpen meltdowns would be magnified. Yankees had a bottom 10 offense and that’s the sole reason for their decline this year…
Hey Chris0, You think a 328-218 record and making the playoffs 4 years in a row might have something to do with it? Have the Yankees under achieved? Maybe. But they’re still better than most.
I don’t think this rosters that talented. Gallo, Sanchez and Torres are all glorified bench players and Gallo hit clean up in the WC batting a whopping .164 with RISP. They don’t have an ace or closer that can shut things down and the 2-5 can’t match up with the other powerhouses in the league. Chapman and Cole are purely unclutch. This isn’t a very good team.
Does Aaron Boone not have a .601 winning %? I wonder what that is all time. Probably top 10 I’m guessing. That’s probably why he got a 3 year contract.
Yankees fans bouta cry
This is the worst decision ever. The Yankees should of went in another direction. Hopefully they won’t regret it. Buck Showalter was definitely the way to go here.
Yeah, they should have hired Tim Kurkjian.
While I would agree with you that Showalter would of been a great hire, but unfortunately, he’s not a ‘yes man’ kind of Manager.
In game decisions are made up top with Cashman. I don’t think Showalter would be successful in that situation.
Boone fits the mold.
Michael Kay suggested they offer Buck the bench coach job if he is not hired as a mgr elsewhere.
@Paul Miller- I agree with you. I wish Cashman would of been let go. This being a yes man doesn’t win championships. It does the opposite. Keeping Cashman and Boone was definitely the worst decision, they should of both been let go.
Where is your proof that Brian Cashman makes game decisions?
In general GMs make all the decisions other than the ones they can’t such as in game, but even then, the strategy is mapped out before hand by the GM.
Agree – Buck was their man but not available. Mets already have him.
Boone is a great plan B.
He needs an old crusty bench coach the way Torre had Zimmer.
Steinbrenner can go jump off a cliff. He can bring Boone with him if he wants.
Middleman of that equation, Cashman getting a pass again? Your not seeing the forest thru the trees.
Pretty extreme reaction over just baseball…..jeez!!
Yet ironically it’s Cashman that’s famous for rappelling (jumping) off the 22-story Landmark Building in Stamford, CT every year for charity, taking former managers Torre, Girardi & even Boone with him.
Lazy decision by Steinbrenner. The Yankees sorely need a new manager in the dugout.
For real, what does Boone bring to the dugout and team in a positive manner? He’s the best gum-chewer? It makes no sense to resign him. They probably did it because they know that he’s a puppet and do whatever they say.
Boone single-handedly gave the Yankees an AL championship, he deserves this contract.
We should all be very happy for him!
Whatever you say, Hal
The Yankees needed to hire Carlos Beltran to be on an even playing field with the Red Sux.
3 more years! Great news.
That’s the spirit!
WTF has Carlos Beltran ever done as an MLB mgr. except get fired for being the pivot man in the worst scandal since the Black Sox? Great player, for sure. But, as a manger? Pass.
Good for the Yanks..Good for the NY Phans…
Nothing personal, but based on results this is good for the rest of the American League. It’s one of those head scratchers like Jason Garrett and the Dallas Cowboys, or Marvin Lewis and the Cincinnati Bengals. Some organizations are apparently content with mediocrity.
Not much of a surprise, but 3 years? I could see 2 years so he wouldn’t be managing as a lame duck but 3 years is like a life sentence.
We desperately need new ownership. Hope some rich people want to have some fun and put us out of our mediocrity.
The Yankees are way better than mediocre and Boone is fine. You really think changing managers is gonna propel them into the WS next year? Folks around here put way too much emphasis on who the manager is. It’s really not that big of a factor in either direction. It’s the players, not the skipper.
Cosmo2;
You don’t think Terry Francona, Craig Counsell and others make their team better? You don’t think Jayce Tingler, Luis Rojas and others hurt their team in 2021?
Not to a significant extent, no. Particularly not when it comes to in game management.
Look at Red Sox with and without Cora
Not enough data to tell causation from randomness in order to ascertain what Cora’s effect is. (And what would the causation even be? It could be a clubhouse thing, but no way in game management has that much of an effect.. How would it?)
At a certain age, how much does your boss impact you performance? I’m with Cosmo. People overestimate the impact managers have. I see it as a 2-3 game swing in either direction…tops.
Hal can fire the coaches, but he extends the manager? Boone by his performance is a poor manager. What a joke.
What the F$*#&@!! The dude single handled lost the yanks 6 games this year with his terrible bullpen management. We now know how 2022 will go…exactly like 2021. Next move is to bring back Gardner at his 7mil option. But we do get Hicks back so THAT is like making a move without spending any more money. ***rolling eyes***
This just confirms that Cashman needs to go!
so, …, you think Hicks can pitch? He certainly can’t do anything else…
I was being sarcastic about Hicks.
so, …, you think Hicks can pitch? He certainly can’t do anything else…
I blame Cashman more for building this team but we all know he’s not leaving. Hire Showalter as a bench coach. This roster needs a complete overhaul
Showalter will never be a bench coach at this point in his career. He is a coach!
Here we go with the folks who think they can literally count the games that a manager “single handedly lost”. Doesn’t work like that.
Yankee fans, let’s rally around this decision to provide positive karma for the future of the team. Hal, open that wallet like your father did and let’s get that championship next season and beyond
The wallet has been opened – $206 million that produced a very shallow batting line up.
Yeah but if he fails again next season I don’t see how they could let him stay on for the remainder of the contract. Seems silly. Extend him thru 2022, with a team option for ’23.
The powers that be have selected 5 more years of mediocrity. This is the absolute worst decision that could ever be made. This is akin to tearing down Yankee Stadium in favor of building a Laundromat.
Boone Sucks!!!
Not a surprise. They would have announced they were going to make a change 7-10 days back if they didn’t intend to sign Boone to a new contract. Son of George even indicated he was returning. He apparently runs a tight clubhouse and the players love him as manager, but I find his in-game moves uninspiring, often lacking urgency.
It’s a bit surprising, but if the guys like him and he follows the club’s analytics reports, no reason to shake things up. Their solution, like with most of their problems, is to throw more money at overpriced free agents. The SS roulette begins…
Just a horrible move.
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He’s not a manager in any sense.
He’s a playground counselor / baby sitter, carrying out daily directives from management.
Yankee Baseball – 2018-20??
Heh, I think what you just described IS the definition of a manager in the modern game.
this is a big F#&K-Y0u from cashman to yankees fans, i cant believe yankees and padres dint go after dombrowski when he was free. srry for my english
What a disgrace. BaBoone is clueless. The Red Sox Rays and Blue Jays are celebrating this good news.
Steinbrener doesn’t care about winning anymore. He’s perfectly content with just being relevant and that’s all that matters. Yankees will be in 4th place next year. Yankees are in trouble and tough decisions need to be made. I have a feeling it’s going to be a long drought again unless drastic changes are made this off-season. Getting rid of Sanchez is priority number one
Getting rid of Sanchez doesn’t make the team better unless and until you replace him with a superior catcher, which isn’t gonna be as easy as you think. You don’t improve a team by spite-releasing players.
Amen to that. I’ll say the same thing about Sanchez that I say about Vazquez. They aren’t AS catchers. But this isn’t like replacing a LF or 1B. Both teams are far better off, imho, keeping them for their final year, rather than being forced to make a decision. Just looking at the FA roster, if you exclude the guys with team options, there is no one south of 33 years old.
And I don’t know how many trade targets there are out there. Go with the devil you know.
Have you watched Sanchez try to catch? Its much harder to find a catcher inferior to him. And who cares about the age if it a one year contract?
Have you seen the state of catching around the league. Lots of guys will be better behind the plate, but with OPS+ of like 70. No doubt better defense is needed, but tossing away Sanchez would be foolish.
All Yankees fans need to stop going to the games. If attendance is down maybe that’s when Steinbrener will get angry enough when he’s losing even more money.
Give me a break. Fans aren’t gonna boycott the team cuz you’re having a hissy fit that they haven’t won a WS. They’re a playoff team. What idiot is gonna refuse to go to games in protest of that? I’m sorry but that a really dumb, entitled Yankees fan take. Just ridiculous.
@mlbnyyfan I understand that you’re very dissatisfied Boone re-signed but the fans don’t pay to go see him or the coaches. I’m grateful that I support a team which doesn’t go through rebuilds. The Yankees don’t lose money; it’s about how much less they choose to profit.
WTF. The greatest sports franchise in the world pulls a guy out of a broadcast booth and makes him their manager. He sucks for 4 years… so they reward him with another contract. Embarrassing to begin with, and now even more embarrassing.
Get ready for another 3 years of second and third place finishes and getting knocked out early in the post-season.
Also, Cashman sucks, too.
They’re a good team. You wanna fire the manager every time they fail to win the WS within 5 years?
Yes, actually. No World Series wins or even appearances in 12 years and now we know they won’t be winning any for at least 4 more years now!
A. You don’t know what will happen in the next 4 years. B. Boone isn’t responsible for the last 12 years. C. In a league of 30 teams, 12 years without a title is not a drought by any stretch of the imagination. …man, I see why so many folks hate Yankee fans. Some just really over the top, entitled hissy fits going on here.
Hex, although we all feel your pain, his winning percentage is higher than Cora’s…..and he cheated!
The greatest sport franchise in the world did pull a guy out of a broadcast booth and make him our coach, but then the Pens fired Edzo early in year 2. FTR.
He ducks for 4 years. Looks up winning % and facts prove hexbreaker is very ignorant. .601 if you wanted to know what Boone winning% is.
Not a Yankees fan (A’s here). I’m curious, is Aaron Boone a “yes man” kinda manager? Sounds like it…
Yes he is Julyn, his in-game management skills (if you can call them that) are sorely lacking as well
“…his instincts…” I guess Hal didn’t watch the games.
Meh. You could do worse, you could do better when it comes to Cashman and Boone. They won 92 games and I don’t see them being any worse next year. If they can improve the myoptic offense like they have with health and the pitching staff then I’ll be happy. Improvement of the defense and base running could add 3-5 wins on this year’s total.
Here comes another 3 years of mediocrity
Hal should of given Boone a one yr extension and “leaked” that both Cashman & Boone were told win or else. Long term contracts lack motivation to win now.
if the yankees go all out and trade the farm to win rn they’re fcked for the next couple years after,they need a soft reset.
Yes, but they didn’t, which is likely a sign that they’re resigned to Boone’s tactics and this roster’s capability.
They can fix a few positions, at a relatively cheap cost, and bring the Yankees much deeper.
The Fall started last off season when Cashman gave DJL all that money instead of using all his resources on improving the bullpen. Yankees losses in the playoffs have been due to poor pitching, not lack of offense. Joey Gallo was the most Un-Yankee sign in recent history. The Yankees have always been about OPS before all the other Analytics became a thing.
Let’s not forget who hit Joey Gallo, a guy who hits .164 with RISP, at cleanup in the most important game of the year. A muppet fills out that lineup card every night and no knock on the muppets
Not again,
They didn’t sign Gallo, they traded for him
Dear God, 3 more years with this guy? Yikes. Get ready to see another 3 years of T Ball level base-running. Knowing the ownership, Boone probably kept his job by offering to work on the cheap.
I think you’re on to something. This signing is a canary in the coal mine for another disappointing offseason shopping the clearance rack
Ya know, it is possible that Boone is simply a filler until the roster can get straightened out. As you pointed out, probably not this year as they shop the clearance isle. Then, in three years, Dominguez, Peraza, Volpe, and several pitchers are supposed to be up. Also, several contracts will be cleared.
Could this be a sign that they are going to let the roster fix itself through attrition and replacement? Ugh, that’s a long three years.
But with the ages of Judge, Stanton and Cole, can they really afford to hold serve for 3 years? I just don’t see it. The Yankees will play the long game…while they play the short game.
I don’t think he makes it through the contract. They’ll likely fire him after year 2 or before that if a couple of appealing candidates pop up.
He’s had bad luck with injuries and I’ve legit wrote a college paper on why you can’t overspend on one player… long story short, if that player gets hurt you are getting 0 value from that player that you might be allocating 10-15% of you payroll on. Hedge your bets kids. Depth wins championships. It’s a long year, people get hurt all the time. Very few large contracts actually end up working out for both sides and you also don’t need to spend a lot to win. Rays, Brewers… Mariners and A’s were right there this year and all of those teams are bottom-10. Braves are 15.
Invest in development. Invest in the draft/scouting/international. Win with arb players playing big roles.
LOL!
Imagine being a Mets fan laughing at another fan base
Mets fan talking lol. How’s Beane? Or Theo? Or Stearns? That’s right, now stop talking.
Just here for the Yankee tears. 🙂
We begin to cry, but then we look at the Mets and immediately begin to feel better.
@Yankee Clipper- Amen Brother! Not going to lie, but I’d rather have you manage the Yankees instead of Boone, and have @Ducky Buckin Fent be the new Yankee GM instead of Ca$hman. Believe it or not I think Ducky turned it down because he loves living in Minnesota so much? Imagine that?
@Yankee75. I’m sure Ducky would be better than Cashman as well. Get it done Hal!
What a bunch of whiners you Yankee fans are.
Not a Yanks fan so I don’t know how Boone manages a game. However, according to the article, he has a winning record as the Yankees manager and they have gone to the playoffs every year he’s been at the helm. That sounds like a success from where I sit as an Angels fan.
I’m confident George Costanza could put the Yankee payroll into a losing Wild Card game every year and would manage with the same gusto as Boone. Passionate incompetence
prov356;
Consider this…….
Each year 1/3’rd of AL and NL teams make the playoffs.
Each year at least 1/3’rd of teams are in some sort of rebuild – including the early stages where they’re dumping salaries and don’t care that they’re losing games.
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In 2021 in the AL the following 5 teams were in rebuilds: Orioles, Royals, Indians, Tigers, Rangers. The following 2 teams fell apart: Angels and Twins.
So the Yankees beat out 3 teams for the AL Wild Card – Jays, A’s and Mariners (and it can be argued that the Mariners were rebuilding).
The Yankees payroll was 36% higher than the Jays; 185% higher than the A’s; and 158% higher than the Mariners.
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The same applies to recent years as well. If a franchise is in the top 2 in payroll for 3 years running, it’s not a great accomplishment to get one of the 5 playoff spots.
Hey Samuel. I read your comments and I respect your opinion. The Yankees payroll should equate to great success, as should the Angels payroll. However, I have always said payroll doesn’t buy a championship, although it can help if you buy the right pieces. You only have to look back a few years at the 2014 and 2015 Royals to see that. The Yanks have made the playoffs the last four years in a row under Boone, not just in 2021. Again, my perspective is that of an Angels fan who has watched my team squander tremendous talent in a strong baseball market by spending money on the wrong pieces. We’ve had one playoff game in 10 years. So Yankees fans being upset with their team after making the playoffs for the last four years in a row seems spoiled to me. Two thirds of the fan bases would love to be in the Yankees fan’s position.
And the Yankees were a 1 game playoff away from potentially doing what Boston is currently doing.
They aren’t demonstrably worse than any of these AL teams. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see them in Boston’s position next year if they’re able to get some arms healthy. Odds are they’ll make a couple of nice roster additions as well.
If they want to roll w Boone—keep it going. They need to find a catcher who can catch. Sanchez has never been that—that’s no fault of Boone’s. This isn’t a crazy decision. If things really do go poorly again next year—the Yankees can certainly pay to let him go. Everyone wanted Dave Robert’s’ head just a short time ago.
Looking forward to 3 more years of uninspiring managing from Boone. Great news – for fans of other teams.
Who is Boone supposed to inspire, you? He has managed them to the playoffs all four years he’s been at the helm. Not sure what more you want. Some of the responsibility of getting to and winning a world series is on the players to perform.
This team was inexcusably bad at base running, fielding, and situational hitting. All things a manager needs to address. Tired of hearing a manager doesn’t make a difference. They need to address issues when they happen. Boone just sits there, no fire, no nothing. Enjoy!
Almost anyone could manage that team to the playoffs. It’s a deep roster with tons of talent, and even some good young talent coming up through the farm. For that roster, making the playoffs is a bare minimum achievement, not some great glory.
Truer words have never been spoken
Sorry fellow Yankees fans but this is as clear as a statement as possible that this will be another “oh my heavenly purse strings” off-season. They need to sell #99 jerseys so locking up Judge at some point will be the only thing that happens for a while. The Steinbrenner’s have been pretty clear with their “player underperformance” statements that they view this team as the winner winner chicken dinner and will put this status quo out there again. Never mind batting a guy who hits .164 with RISP cleanup in the most important game of the year and the other hundred examples of being out coached year after year. Not the problem in their mind.
I wouldn’t expect anything less from the organization that extended Aaron Hicks.
Wao 3 años mas sin título!
Cuatro anos en las finales es muy bien.
This is not a good thing. Aaron Boone is a terrible manager and he coddles the team too much. They need a fiery leader.
Billy Martin passed away long ago..
That’s ok. Just use Billy like Bernie! It could work!
Yankees, Football Giants, Mets and Jets !
Can NY sports get any worse?!!!
We’re pinning our hopes on the Knicks!
Lol
What? No Nets, Rangers, Islanders or Devils mentioned??
In NYC, the Giants, Yankees, Knicks and Rangers are considered the ‘city’ teams. Everyone else is considered an expansion team. That will never change.
Well @mustang listed 2 expansion teams and left out the Rangers. That is what I was referring to.
I’m a Rangers fan but my hockey knowledge is very limited.
My understanding is that they’re young,
up and coming rebuildingish.
Boone’s biggest problem is mismanaging the pen and he tends to over analyze defensively. The rest is poor roster construction. There’s a lack of athleticism and an over abundance of TEs playing the outfield or DH. The roster needs high contact bats who put the ball in play and put pressure on the opponent’s defense. The roster also lacks the 1a + 1b aces that most teams have in the playoffs. They may have had “depth” in the rotation but it needs to be more than Cole and a bunch of 3s and 4s.
Total misconception that Boone mismanages the bullpen. Based on leverage, his best non-closer relievers were used in the highest non closing spots. Loasiga, Green, Holmes, etc. ranked near the top of highest leverage bullpen innings. That’s how it should be. No relievers in the pen were better than those three. It’s an organization philosophy not to use relievers three days in a row. Their bullpen was actually fantastic this year. The Yankees were near the top in games decided by one or two runs so of course their bullpen meltdowns would be magnified.
So for the Yankees, it’s a problem that they strike out too often? Yet, the Rays led the league in K’s yet also led the league in wins. So why is it the Yankees can’t strike out but the Rays can?
@billy09 I thought Boone did a great job at utilizing the pen while Chapman was going through his hiccups and didn’t need to phantom IL him. It was hilarious and frustrating at the same time seeing the knee-jerk reactions on this board when Greene was regressing to his career averages. He’s as steady as they come. My biggest gripe with Boone was using Heaney in important innings but it certainly were marching orders coming from upstairs.
@Stark I’ve heard that before with Torre and Girardi when people want to easily point fingers at managers. I won’t argue that the lineup can be constructed better but Judge and Gallo are above average defenders and even Hicks is decent in CF. Injury did DJL in this year and Torres hasn’t stepped forward. Those are your two high contact bats. Severino is your 1B pitcher. I’d agree that the Yankees need a dependable number 2.
Why does the app duplicate each comment?!?
Like this one I imagine…
Congrats on this decision….hahahahaha
Much as I take issue with the entitlement of Yankees fans, they may have a point. This roster is good enough that they shouldn’t have had to sneak into the playoffs as the last WC, only securing their spot on the last day. I don’t see what’ he did to merit a 3-yr extension.
Micheal Kay on Aaron Boone –
“He (Boone) is doing the bidding of the front office. There are scripts that are written that he of course can deviate from somewhat, but it’s essentially from up top the way this game is played by the Yankees. So, if they get rid of Boone, and that’s what Yankees fans seem to want when they call into my show, if you get Boone 2.0, what difference does it make?”
Is this clear enough or do I need to spell it out in Braille for you maroons? Unbelievable!
Perpetuating mediocrity.
Wow this is Joe Giardi part 2. Except Joe at least won once, then they let him hang around way past his time. I agree with the above the Yankees have become lazy. Cashman now will probably have a job for life. Pathetic
Girardi was a great manager, but I agree Cashman will probably never be fired. He’s probably like a family member to Hal at this point since he’s been GM for so long
Lolololololol
Lol
I don’t see Boone doing this:
After retiring Carlos Correa to end the sixth, Rodriguez made a callback to Correa’s Game 1 go-ahead homer celebration, pointing to his wrist as he walked off the mound. The gesture was not well-received by Cora, who yelled, “Don’t do that,” from the dugout.
“We don’t act that way,” Cora said. “We just show up, we play and we move on, and he knows. I let him know. We don’t have to do that. If we’re looking for motivation outside of what we’re trying to accomplish, we’re in the wrong business. The only motivation we have is to win four games against them and move on to the next round.”
Exactly. Win the flippin’ game. Leave the dramatics for Broadway.
Well, they have a certain…..bond, Cora and the Astros cheat….players.
@YC Plus Correa was a key figure in helping MLB with their investigation which led to Cora’s suspension. They’re all complicit while Cora was the fall guy.
@ Yankee Clipper – Says the fan of the team that hired a lawyer to suppress the release of Yankees cheating details by MLB as it would have caused irreparable damage to the franchise….
I just can’t see a team managed by Aaron Boone ever winning the World Series. The more things change the more they stay the same
There just seems to be so much delusional thinking going on here. Baseball, is only a sport to those who play…just like any other sport. But the bottom line is it is solely a business………Having winning percentages means nothing. Glory is championships. Period. George Steinrenner put his own money into his teams…..went to the World Series 10 times winning Six or Seven times (somebody can double check me on that) and won Ten pennants during his time) !!!! All of this in 32 years under his ownership.. Now along comes SHALLOW HAL… Let’s see., since 2010 10, this clown , who refuses to put his own money into the team like his dad…ZERO Pennants and not one visit to the World Series…as we sit by and watch more and more teams pass us by……This might sound like Blasphemy as a Yankee fan but I really hope Boston wins the World Series this year. NO I am NOT a Bosox fan by any stretch…, but I will give credit where credit is due….
Anybody but the Astros.
Dunno, I’m an AL East looney, and I don’t see Boone doing anything that raises him above the bar of: he gets the roster will give him. In other words, he’s “meh”. Problem is, with Cash and Cora in the same division, that’s not enough.
The roster is clumsy at best, and that’s on Cashman, not Boone. MOST managers can’t overcome that; only a very few can outdistance the talent level.
This tells me he has 2 years to right the ship.
I’m not sure he has even that long. It’s sort of impressive how Steinbrenner managed to praise and rebuke Boone in the same speech. My guess is anything short of a ALCS appearance next year and Boone gets fired. One major struggle during the regular season where the media blames Boone and he’s out then.
Guess he won’t be the next Padres manager.
Aaron BaBoone. The monkey with the cup to Hal’s organ grinder
And I thought that they would “clean house” dumping Cashman and Boone?!
I guess just making the playoffs has become the new goal and end all in the Bronx.
Hal, Cashman, and Boone, the male version of the Kardashians and just as clueless.
Great news for the rest of the AL East
George was only happy with championships. Hal is happy with participation trophies…
Question for yankee fans: If not Boone who would you rather manage? Realistically, assuming other major league managers are happy with their current position and wouldn’t just jump ship. Who would have been the major candidates to replace Boone and would they really be any better?
@sabre. Not a Yankees fan but as a MLB fan you cannot ignore the Yankees especially with their deep pockets. I think they made a mistake years ago not going with Mattingly to replace Joe Torre. If they could somehow pry him away from the Marlins I think Don Mattingly would be a great choice to manage the Yankees even now. Teams have traded position players for managers in the past so it could be done.
Mattingly would be a great fit. From a fans perspective anyway. Who knows what really goes on in a dugout/clubhouse though.
I agree Cosmo. Only I’ll add Mattingly would be a better fit now because:
1) His experience with young players on a perennial losing team, and
2) He commands respect simply because of his baseball career. Boone cannot say the same.
2.) Boone is a respected baseball man. Maybe you are too young to recall but he is responsible for one of the greatest postseason moments in Yanks history. He has major leaguers all in his bloodline.
You’d think this guy got cut off his JV baseball team at a local public school w/ how he’s getting talked about.
I’m not a Yankees fan so I really don’t care whether he’s their manager or not…but being a good player has nothing to do with being a good manager. They are two completely different things.
Yankee fan here. I like Boone personally and I don’t think he’s a bad manager. Not great but average. He’s especially effective with his bullpen management (despite that comment not passing the eye test to most people but the statistics prove it). Sometimes a change is needed. A lot of position players have regressed over the past two seasons. While I don’t pin it all on Boone, I think a change at the top could change things. Sometimes that’s all that’s needed to light a fire (1978 Yankees)
Boone does what Cashman wants and Boone listens to the analytics rather than rejects it. Hard to get rid of somebody like this. Biggest concern is that the Yankees can’t play small ball and always go for the home runs. It is very painful to see. Need to play small ball to win in the playoffs.
Small ball just doesn’t work as well as folks think it does. The idea that you need it in the playoffs is unsubstantiated and could only be backed up by species, anecdotal evidence. The fact that it’s a bad strategy is actually backed up by studies. But I know, I know, analytics are bad, knowledge is bad.
The way I see it, it isn’t a matter of whether small ball works or not. The assumption is that it will work, to whatever extent you use it. If you have 1st & 2nd, with -0- outs, up two runs in the 7th, I’m pretty cool with Arroyo bunting in front of Schwarber & Hernandez.
Can they not play small ball or are the guys up top not giving him players to do so?
Stanton, Judge, Gallo,Sanchez, Voit etc. these are sluggers. I think they need a re-thinking of the roster. But a healthy and improved Lemahieu+ Hicks and whatever additions they’ll make should help a ton.
Small ball is something fans long for. Professionals know better. It’s useful only in the rarest of situations.
It’s worth pointing out that baseball is an entertainment industry. It’s an interesting acknowledgement that “fans long for it”, but “professionals know better”. You’re statement is true, but it points out the condescending attitude of the powers that be. They consider fans to be mindless sheep who can be easily influenced and manipulated. “We know what you want whether you like it or not.”
No, it’s “we know how to win”. Winning is the goal. Not losing in the most entertaining way. The point is that small ball doesn’t lead to more wins. Fans think it does, but luckily for them, experts actually run the teams. You want your team missing the playoffs cuz they bunted more to “please the fans”? It’s not condescension, it’s what they’re paid to do…. In other words, it’s not condescending for them to do the job they’re paid to do the best way rather than do it how folks that know less (and aren’t getting paid for that very reason) think would work (but it won’t). What do you want? Your team to win or your team to play a certain way, even if it means less wins?
I get your point. Winning is the goal, but in the end the game becomes less entertaining. The same data is available to every team. When every decision is made by computer analysis the game becomes pretty boring and predictable. Just simulate the season and let me know who wins. I realize my opinions are antiquated, but so am I.
So: A. Try to be innovative with analytics in order to win; have success AND be more exciting but don’t toss out the data and B. maybe some rule changes to better match up what’s exciting with what works.
Best manager in baseball and only one able to put with whiny Yankees fans for team that got into wild card spot without any pitching.
@fffbbb it’s obvious that your not a fan, Yankees were 3rd in AL in team ERA, 2nd in Ks, 3rd in Whip, 3rd in BAA. It’s the Offensive that really struggled especially with RISP plus all the base running blunders which is why they canned Thames and Pittiere.
Congratulations to agent 007… Boone, but not James!! Now they need some improvement and go to go!! Yanks-22!!
This is the Yankees we are talking about. This is actually a one-year deal, with a guaranteed two-year severance package. Win or else.
If George were around, sure. But he’s long gone. Different organization now.
Boone would have to completely tank to get fired. This was illustrated when Hal and Cashman came out and publicly supported Boone and blamed the players. Whether they’re right or wrong, it still spoke volumes about their commitment to Boone. He’s not getting fired. 2021 was supposed to be his prove-it year.
As a jays fan thank you.
If the New York Yankees do not succeed in the next three years it is not Aaron Boone that Hal Steinbrenner should blame, Hal should look in the mirror. By not wanting to exceed the salary threshold he is limiting the New York Yankees, something George Steinbrenner would never have done.
So you limit your team to the threshold and other teams decide to exceed it, don’t blame anyone else but yourself. For the most part, the successful teams exceed the threshold, sign the big players, big players pay for themselves through stats, and merchandising to include ticket sales. Go ahead with your agenda Hal, but don’t point fingers. If you want to play by your rules, fail by your rules.
Boston is there as you know and the Toronto Blue Jays are getting better. How serious Toronto will be is going to be determined on what they do about Marcus Semien, and Robbie Ray just to name two of the players they must retain.
Hal’s luxury tax obsession is inane because the monetary value of winning a World Series far exceeds the cost of the tax.
That said, Cashman has had vastly more to spend than any other GM since Hal’s dad handed him the reins in 1998. I’ll leave it to others to debate about how much credit Cashman deserves for the success of teams 1998 through 2001, but his teams have been back to the World Series twice since then, winning it once, with him spending a ton of money.
You’re right that Hal shouldn’t blame Boone. He should blame Cashman. But it appears that he defers to him instead of holding him accountable.
I’m a Phillies and Jays fan!! Thanks Yankees, for your commitment to mediocrity!!
Sounds like a troika.
Lol…. A Jays (didn’t make the playoffs) fan and a Phillies (they did….nope, wait, not them either) fan thanking the Yankees for their mediocrity?
Please tell me you clearly see the irony and hypocrisy in your statement. If it’s sarcasm, I missed it; if it’s not, it should’ve been.
3 more years of my yanks with no WS titles. Screw you Steinbrenner. Fire cashman and all is good
I would be thrilled if my team had seven World Series titles in the Divisional Era…not to mention five in the Wild Card Era. At this point I’ll gladly take the second ever in my city’s history though. Of course we’ll be considered underdogs against anyone the rest of the way…
Yankees fans should look on the bright side and remember…no matter how bad the manager is, the team spends so much money it will contend every single year either way.
They just won’t win it all. The less bright side, admittedly.
The San Antonio Scorpions miss out on yet another candidate. It’s time to move in another direction. Here are your options…
A) Las Vegas Vipers
B) Portland Thunderbirds
C) Vancouver Sharks
D) New Orleans Gators
E) Charlotte Knights
F) Nashville Bandits
Hal should sell the Yankees
Are you f*****g kidding me? This is beyond idiotic. I guess our fears are true, the front office manages.
Man.
I always seem to miss the good Yankee threads this time of year. Was out trying to put food on the table for my poor little hillbilly family.
I do have a (late) take though.
Not much of a surprise really. Yanks deciding to continue to stay the course. Is there another GM in baseball who has more influence than Brian Cashman? & now he gets 3 more of His Guys in the dugout. Which is why I wanted to see a change. Boone follows the script. I guess I was hoping for someone more…instinctual.
Boone is a 3rd generation big leaguer. Honestly, he’s forgotten more baseball than I ever knew. He may actually be a fantastic manager. Unfortunately, we will never know. He is – apparently however – Cash’s administrator of choice.
The reality is Aaron Boone has averaged 98 wins/year. I think bringing back Boone signifies that that is – more or less – ownership’s goal. Pack the ballpark. Have high ratings. & cash in on the sweetest skim of them all: Playoff Bucks!
So.
It’s no longer, “Championship or bust!”
Rather it’s, “98 wins are cool, bro”.
& if you look around MLB, it seems rather petty to complain too much about an ownership committed to that. & to spending at the level to insure that.
As far as what this means in re the Yanks off-season, the “goal” is trying to add 6 or more wins to this club. A couple top 50 free agents should do at least that.
I think we’ll see some spending but probably not a major spree (though I’d love one). Those Yankee fans that are hoping for a major teardown or overhaul are going to be disappointed though.
“It is what it is.”
Rather it’s, “98 wins are cool, bro”.
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I guess the follow-up to that narrative is, whose fault is it that they have no WSC?
In the past four years, the NYY have lost in the playoffs to a team with the better record. Cole imploded (I believe he was hurting), TB beat the NYY 3-2 with a 2-1 deciding loss, they lost 4-2 to the Astros, one of them being extra innings, and they lost 3-1 to the RS, with 2 of those being 1-run losses.
I’m not crazy about either Cashman or Boone, but it wouldn’t have taken a lot for them to have won a couple of those series. Like I said with Cora and Tito, not every loss means someone did something wrong.
JoeBrady: Your points are well taken; it’s very difficult to win the WS.
Let’s look completely objectively to the Yankees’ NL doppelgänger, and imho, the most well-constructed team in baseball, the LA Dodgers. They have only won one (1!!!) WSC in the same timeframe, and that was during a Covid-shortened season. Now, I don’t take anything away from them because of it, but some argue they have yet to go a full season and win since ‘88. Look at the 90s Braves also? 1 WS with that great team.
Bottom line is, it’s downright hard to win a WSC, let alone multiple in a 10-year-window. The 20s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 90s Yankees were clear exceptions to this, but also among the absolute best teams ever. We are spoiled and expect that, but it’s not reality. We have been incredibly lucky to see it, which is why so many people hate (aka: are jealous of) the Yankees.
@ducky long time no talk, i have a question for you about boone. i know boone has flaws but do you see him as a guy that can grow into being a good to great manger. i only only ask this of you because you seem to be in the minority when it comes to nyy fans because you look at the team as both a fan and as an outsider like me. imo boone should keep his job if he is the guy that keeps evolving and learning from past mistakes. i tend to give him benefit of doubt because he got put into a managerial spot with no experience, but if he is making the same “stupid” moves as he was day 1 and his growth has stagnated then you got let him go. btw when it comes to my birds i think mo is getting desperate because i think we made a huge mistake letting schlidt go imo my birds only got to where they got because of him not because we had the horses to get there. btw i mean no disrespect to the nyy astute (i know there are more of you than just ducky) just seems like on this site more often than not you get the ny homers (mets included) that want everyone heads because we didn’t win it all this year.
My, guy.
What’s up @b-bruce? I’m enjoying the end of the building season up here. Feel like I am getting my life back. You guys are probably still going strong though, uh? I go like absolute hell for 4-5 months & pretty much coast the rest of the year.
Anyway: Boone.
My contention is that he is not a real baseball manager. At least not the type you, @Brady, @Clipper, & myself grew up with. He is a Dave Roberts type. He “presents data” to the players. He “handles the media”. He is an administrator in the clubhouse.
However.
He does not make out the lineup. He follows the front office script for the bullpen. I don’t think he has much input or freedom to – for example – call for a steal. Not in the moment anyway. The Yanks ran wild after the All Star break (I approve!) when it became apparent other teams were ignoring us on the bases. That came from the FO. Boone was “responsible” for presenting this “new data”.
He may actually be a good manager.
Stands to reason. He is a 3rd gen major leaguer (bet those family barbeque’s are amazing).
However: I don’t think we will never know. At least not with the Yankees.
it sounds like cash and mo are on the hot seat, idk about the feelings about cash in nyy land but i’m sure it’s pretty hot like here in stl. sounds like both pbo/gm (imo pbo and gm are one and the same) want “yes men” around them and imo that’s the last thing they need, tbh they need a manger willing to question them, again i cant speak on cash because i don’t follow nyy, here in stl fan wise mo is on the hot seat even with fans that didn’t like schlidt have sided with fans that wants mo’s head on a pike. imo unless nyy and stl makes a deep run next year both guys might be looking for new jobs.
Here is what Yankees fans don’t understand…
There were no divisions when the Yankees won 20 World Series titles in 40 years from 1923-1962. There were only eight teams per league (10 at the very end of that run) and if you finished first in the regular season then you went straight to the World Series. You didn’t have to win multiple rounds. Obviously it gave you less room for error in the regular season and it guaranteed that you would face the very best from the other league but you didn’t have to grind through such a long postseason run. You just had to win one best-of-seven series. The Yankees did that better than any other franchise by far but their fans have those same standards today when the format is not even close to the same. That 1996-2000 run is extremely rare in today’s game. In fact, no other team has done that in the Divisional Era.
He has done well, I applaud the Yankees.
Once a team gets to the post season, whether they win or lose comes down to how they perform.
Part time filler players that got your through the season and days off for the regulars shouldn’t be starting. Your weakest pitchers shouldn’t touch a ball unless it rolls away from the bullpen catcher. Once the lineup card is filled out, post season success or failure is on the big money players. Boone GETS them to the playoffs – that’s his job. Pitching changes and lineup.
Maybe the reason the Yanks don’t have more World Series titles lately is because they load up on DH types, play guys out of position and spend big money on pitchers “hoping” they recover from injuries or suddenly have career years?
Bottom line is, in the post season, pitching beats hitting, good defense is a must and small ball wins close games. If your team isn’t built for that during the season, it’s not going to magically manifest in the post season. Big sluggers beat up on bad pitching during the season and you won’t see bad pitching staffs in the post season.
Boone is awful but Hal is the problem he needs to turn over the keys to someone else who isn’t afraid to spend. No reason why they can’t be like the dodgers.
Ummm… they ARE spending. Now you’re gonna cry about THAT? Yeesh, Yankee fans are sickening sometimes.
OMG this thread is hilarious. Yankee fans crying in their .601 win percentage beer. You poor wretched, mistreated Yankee fans. L.M.A.O.
Amen
Massive parties are breaking out in Boston and Toronto! Boone will always have a job as long as Cashman is the GM. Cashman will always have a job as long as Hal own the team. The Yankees bwintvwon anything until the Steinbrenner family sells and that won’t be for. Long time!
Least althetic team in the bigs. Good luck to him.
I have zero issue with Boone being brought back he’s not the problem. He’s a manager he’s not there to teach guys how to play baseball they should already know how to play the game. Last I checked he doesn’t sign players or trade players he works with what he’s got and what he’s got is a team with zero speed and no table setters to be found. His pitching staff is full of holes. Let’s not forget the Yankees traded away two good bullpen pieces to make room for Joey freaking Gallo. Is that Boone’s fault? Any manager is gonna fail with this team how it’s currently put together. Do I like that today’s players are soft and need to rest constantly? Nope but I thought Boone did a good job giving these softies a break when they needed it. I don’t want to hear about how he handled the pen that’s a bunch of nonsense. I’ve been hearing how bad managers are at using their bullpens for years it’s a go to for fans trying to find something wrong.
You’d better stop making sense if you know what’s good for you.
I still say they sign this guy because of his heroics and not his managerial experience. I think the Yankees could do better.
The Orioles will be much improved next year and there’s every reason to think they will at least be better than the Yanks.
It’s fun to read the screaming at Pinstripe Alley. For once, the folks over there are right.
Laugh laugh laugh.
Wow!
And I thought I was being overly optimistic by projecting 65 wins for the O’s next season!
It’s an outrage that Boone wasn’t fired! How could any team win a championship with the flawed roster he assembled?
Oh … wait. That wasn’t him.
Never mind.
Boone is the second worst manager in baseball and he got a 3 year contract extension!! Cora has to be thrilled since he’s the worst and will probably get more because he’s bilingual!!
As a Red Sox fan I always hated Girardi as the Yankee manager but I respected the hell out of him since the late Jeter years saw him take next to no talent to the Division title multiple years in a row. When Farrell was let go I thought it was blasphemy but I wanted Girardi to be the new manager. Giving him a much upgraded roster would have assured the Red Sox of being great for years. Instead, the bilingual bench coach came to the Red Sox and got accolades for the team winning in 2018 and no tongue lashings for totally screwing up the 2019 season. It was such a ridiculous imbalance of credit that if HOU had not been reprimanded and Cora exposed I think the Red Sox brass would have kept him despite his total lack of talent.
I viewed the Boone hiring as being very similar. Popular TV guy who had ONE moment in his career that forever endeared him to Yankee fans and no experience. He proved to be nearly as bad as Cora. He inherited far more talent than Girardi had in the late Jeter years and post Jeter years and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with it.
I believe managers have far more leverage to lose a game than to win a game so when you see Girardi winning with a low level of talent and Boone losing with a high level of talent you have to ask why are they keeping him? Similarly, you have to ask why Cashman is still with the Yankees when he’s had 20% more payroll available to him and has 3 less rings than the rival Red Sox and DD came to BOS made a few key moves and won 3 divisions in a row and got fired? None of it makes sense. Two of the most powerful franchises in baseball and they continue down a path of illogical moves.
As a Red Sox fan I’m thrilled Boone the loser is going to be there 3 years more but I’m very worried it might lead to Cora the loser being extended as well because we all know how critical it is to have a bi-lingual manager!! SMH.
I’m no Alex Cora fan, but he led Boston to a World Championship. Boone hasn’t even been to a World Series, so by what logic is he a better manager than Cora?
Mr. P – The Red Sox lost 12 games in 2018 because of Cora mistakes. They should have won 120 games. Boone sucks but Cora sucks more. They are the bottom of the barrel and you have a valid point that Boone has done less with more talent but he never got caught cheating once or even twice like Cora. So worse manager with more integrity? I can agree with that statement.
Since players win games and managers find ways to lose games, I think Cora has done more damage by turning more wins into losses but that may be because I’ve watched more Red Sox games than Yankee games. The Yankee games I’ve watched I have frequently have made a comment that Boone is as bad as Cora. So point taken maybe Boone gets an F- and Cora gets an F.
On the other hand, both of them know a hell of a lot more about managing a ballclub than you or I do, all conceits to the contrary notwithstanding.
Speak for yourself!! I may not have more MLB experience but both are 20 years behind me in experience and their mistakes are so entry level manager that I believe almost anyone who played could do as well.
Boone grew up around MLB clubs. He’s a third-generation baseball man whose grandfather was a Major League 2x All-Star infielder with a World Championship ring who led the AL in RBI in 1955 and at the end of his 13-year playing career was a Red Sox scout for 33 years. His father was a 4x All-Star catcher in the NL with 7 Gold Gloves and a World Championship ring in a 19-year career in the majors, and he’s in the Phillies Hall of Fame. After he retired as a player, he managed the Royals for three years and the Reds for three years. Aaron himself played in the majors for 12 years There are only 9 managers in history with a higher W-L% than his.
That’s my answer to you, and I don’t think more is required. Have a nice evening.
The Boone FAMILY is very knowledgeable. I played when Bob Boone did and I believe he knows the game far better than I do. His sons, however, fit into two categories. One was a student of the game like his father and the other was a much less focused player who enjoyed life to the fullest. Of the three generations the one with the big personality is the least qualified to be a manager. If I were to rank their knowledge in order I would put Bob first, Ray second, Brett third and a distant fourth would be Aaron. That’s the only reason I was comfortable making my statement. When I played I was a student of the game like Bob, Ray and Brett. My father played in the Boston Braves organization back when big and little poison and Ernie Lombardi played for Casey Stengel.
Your drop the mic comment was a bit premature. Not every child inherits the knowledge of a parents occupation to the same degree. Ray Boone as a scout invested wisely in teaching his son the game of baseball. Bob Boone played in my era and was an outstanding catcher and a very very knowledgeable baseball person. He had one serious son and one screw-up son and Brett’s knowledge of the game is extensive. The screw-up is still a screw-up.
Roster is very poorly constructed. Doesn’t matter who the manager is.