Headlines

  • Dodgers Sign Miguel Rojas To Contract Extension
  • Jake McGee Retires
  • Royals Re-Sign Zack Greinke
  • Orioles To Decline Five-Year Lease Extension At Camden Yards, Seeking Longer-Term Agreement With Maryland Stadium Authority
  • Mariners, Dylan Moore Agree to Three-Year Extension
  • Blue Jays Sign Chad Green
  • Previous
  • Next
Register
Login
  • Hoops Rumors
  • Pro Football Rumors
  • Pro Hockey Rumors

MLB Trade Rumors

  • Home
  • Teams
    • AL East
      • Baltimore Orioles
      • Boston Red Sox
      • New York Yankees
      • Tampa Bay Rays
      • Toronto Blue Jays
    • AL Central
      • Chicago White Sox
      • Cleveland Guardians
      • Detroit Tigers
      • Kansas City Royals
      • Minnesota Twins
    • AL West
      • Houston Astros
      • Los Angeles Angels
      • Oakland Athletics
      • Seattle Mariners
      • Texas Rangers
    • NL East
      • Atlanta Braves
      • Miami Marlins
      • New York Mets
      • Philadelphia Phillies
      • Washington Nationals
    • NL Central
      • Chicago Cubs
      • Cincinnati Reds
      • Milwaukee Brewers
      • Pittsburgh Pirates
      • St. Louis Cardinals
    • NL West
      • Arizona Diamondbacks
      • Colorado Rockies
      • Los Angeles Dodgers
      • San Diego Padres
      • San Francisco Giants
  • About
    • MLB Trade Rumors
    • Tim Dierkes
    • Writing team
    • Advertise
    • Archives
  • Contact
  • Tools
    • 2022-23 MLB Free Agent List
    • Top 50 Free Agents
    • Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2023
    • Transaction Tracker
    • Extension Tracker
    • Arbitration Tracker
    • Agency Database
  • NBA/NFL/NHL
    • Hoops Rumors
    • Pro Football Rumors
    • Pro Hockey Rumors
  • App
  • Chats
Go To Pro Hockey Rumors
Go To Hoops Rumors

Twins Acquire Sonny Gray From Reds

By TC Zencka | March 13, 2022 at 12:34pm CDT

The Reds and Twins are in agreement on a deal headlined by right-hander Sonny Gray, moving from Cincinnati to Minnesota, per Bobby Nightengale of the Cincinnati Enquirer (via Twitter). Along with Gray, the Twins will receive minor league right-hander Francis Peguero. In return, the Reds will acquire the 26th overall selection of the 2021 draft, right-hander Chase Petty. Both teams have announced the deal, making it official.

This deal has the potential to shake up both central divisions. The Twins, for their part, look much improved with the addition of Gray, and they might not be done adding starters, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman (via Twitter). With Kenta Maeda out after undergoing Tommy John surgery, the rotation was easily the Twins’ biggest area of need moving forward.

Although the Twins bottomed out last year, which led to the sell-off of a number of high-profile names, much of the talent that took them to the playoffs in 2019 and 2020 remains. Gray represents a pseudo replacement for the biggest departure, Jose Berrios, who was traded to the Blue Jays in July. Though Berrios was a homegrown star – and he’s four and a half years younger than Gray – in the short term, the 32-year-old Gray is certainly capable of holding the line in what was once Berrios’ rotation spot.

Twins president of baseball operations Derek Falvey praised Gray for a makeup that’s “off the charts,” mentioning his ability to “anchor the rotation” and set an example for younger starters, per this video clip from Phil Miller of the Star Tribune. The player, the personality, and the two years of team control made Gray a natural target for this Twins’ squad.

Berrios is the broader talent of the two, but one could argue that Gray is a better fit for this particular Twins roster because of the versatility his contract affords them. Despite a $1MM bump to his contract because of the trade, tweets Nightengale, Gray’s 2022 salary still clocks in at a mere $10.7MM. Furthermore, the Twins now hold an affordable $13MM club option for 2023. That’s plenty economical for a rotation arm coming off a 3.3 rWAR/2.4 fWAR output over 135 1/3 innings spanning 26 starts.

Given the contract, the Twins can flip Gray again if they crater as they did in 2021, but if the club proves to be more competitive, Gray figures to be one of the reasons why. His strikeout numbers were down a touch from his career norms, down to a still-solid 27.0 percent strikeout rate, but his walk rate also improved to 8.7 percent, and there’s little reason to think he can’t continue to be a solid mid-to-front-end arm.

Gray should be helped by moving from the Reds’ uneven defense to a fairly well-equipped defensive unit in Minnesota. If Byron Buxton stays healthy, and Josh Donaldson can avoid an age-related decline at third, the Twins ought to catch their share of baseballs, especially with Isiah Kiner-Falefa taking over at short.

In terms of the wider impact on Minnesota’s roster, the rotation doesn’t have much else in the way of sure things. Randy Dobnak was signed to a low-risk, long-term contract last winter, but the 27-year-old struggled mightily in 2021 and didn’t end up spending much time in the rotation. Dylan Bundy had a similar kind of year for the Angels. The 29-year-old has a longer track record, but no less uncertainty. Joe Ryan, are Bailey Ober are likeliest to fill out the middle of the rotation, with Lewis Thorpe and Griffin Jax also competing for an opportunity. That’s not a unit to set your hair on fire, but it’s getting closer.

The Twins, of course, not only get the most established arm in the deal, but they’re also getting Peguero, a 24-year-old reliever out of the Dominican Republic who finished last season in High-A. Peguero isn’t close to the prospect that Petty is, but he’s a flyer nonetheless who at least has a chance of becoming a late-inning bullpen arm. Peguero posted a 4.96 ERA over 32 2/3 innings last year, striking out 36 batters in 32 2/3 innings, picking up six saves.

Taking the aerial view, the AL Central continues to get more competitive. The Tigers and Twins have both made strides to challenge the White Sox, who had a relatively clear path to a division title in 2021. Whether this will be enough to get the Twins back to their 2019-20 level remains to be seen.

On the other side, the Reds step further away from their short-lived identity as a free-spending all-out contender for the NL Central crown. The Reds spent aggressively to end their playoff drought prior to the 2020 season, and they succeeded in that measure, making the expanded playoffs as a 31-29 wild card team. They were shut out in their two playoff games, however. They actually improved by winning percentage in 2021, finishing the year with 83 wins, but out of the playoff money.

It’s tough to imagine the 2022 Reds doing even that well after subtracting Gray and Wade Miley from the rotation. Miley, of course, they gave away for nothing, letting division rival Chicago claim him off waivers. Miley may be a 35-year-old coming off a career year, but it still seems relatively short-sighted to let go of a starter who just posted a 5.9 rWAR season without netting even a lottery pick in return.

For Gray, at least, the Reds aren’t walking away empty-handed. Petty is a live-armed righty who can hit triple digits on the radar gun. As the Twins’ top draft pick in the 2021 draft, he comes with plenty of upside, but he’s also just a month out from turning 19. His future, therefore, comes with a wide range of potential outcomes. If nothing else, the Reds accomplished the goal of cutting money from their payroll while adding to the farm system.

Petty was the 7th-ranked prospect in the Twins’ system, per Baseball America, which marks both his fastball and slider as potential 70-grade offerings. He was starting games for the Twins and would continue to do so in 2022, but they saw Petty’s most likely future to be that of a “back-end reliever,” per The Athletic’s Dan Hayes (via Twitter). BA, similarly, writes that “Petty’s upside is significant, but his specific player demographic is inherently risky and he’ll need plenty of time to develop.”

The variability built into Petty’s future might make this trade a tough pill to swallow for Reds’ fans. In the short term, it’s fair to wonder if this deal drops the Reds behind even the Cubs in the overall hierarchy of the NL Central. They are firmly behind the Cardinals and Brewers, and still firmly ahead of the Pirates.

The coming weeks will tell a lot about how the Reds view this deal. If they are entering a full-blown rebuild, rumors about the availability of Luis Castillo and Tyler Mahle will continue to swirl. If, however, the Reds view this deal as a calculated re-balancing of the books – in the vein of how leadership pitched the Raisel Iglesias trade last winter – the Reds might still have enough talent leftover in the rotation to hang around the NL Central race.

At this point, however, they will be relying on a relatively unproven collection of arms after Castillo and Mahle. It’s hard to see where the rotation can build on last year’s success without Gray and Miley unless Hunter Greene quickly emerges as a frontline arm. Vladimir Gutierrez held his own last year, but he’ll need to take another step forward to be anything more than a back of the rotation arm.

There is time left this offseason for the Reds to shift the narrative, but for the time being, this move will further the perception of the Reds as a cost-conscious also-ran more concerned with lowering payroll than truly competing. Critics will lump this deal in with the Iglesias and Tucker Barnhart trades as evidence of their penny-pinching. The Barnhart deal is defensible because of the presence of Tyler Stephenson, but the Iglesias deal ended up hurting the club more than they anticipated in 2021. If the rotation falls off as many expect it will, the Reds will have a hard time selling this move as an example of roster savvy.

Share 0 Retweet 9 Send via email0

Cincinnati Reds Minnesota Twins Newsstand Transactions Sonny Gray

Nationals Sign Ehire Adrianza
Main
Dodgers Re-Sign Clayton Kershaw
View Comments (183)

Comments

  1. stevecohenMVP

    11 months ago

    Oooooooo niceee

    Reply
    • iverbure

      11 months ago

      Say it with me people? That’s it? You people need to adjust your values if your constantly surprised at the return.

      Reply
      • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

        11 months ago

        Nice depth for the Twinkies

        Reply
      • CalcetinesBlancos

        11 months ago

        Was there someone expecting a massive haul for Gray or something?

        Reply
        • raltongo

          11 months ago

          expected something a bit more than just one high-upside arm… not that the Twins gave away ‘nothing’ for Gray, just that with so many rotations in need of extra support, I would have expected another team to present a slightly better offer to Cincy.

    • Samer

      11 months ago

      Exactly what Yankees’ fans are thinking:

      “Looking forward to shelling him”

      Reply
  2. DHud

    11 months ago

    Reds blatantly not even trying anymore.

    Reply
    • VegasSDfan

      11 months ago

      Or are they moving dead weight

      Reply
      • DHud

        11 months ago

        Moose and Suarez are dead weight

        Sonny is statistically one of the better pitchers in the NL

        Reply
        • theoldviolin

          11 months ago

          When he pitches he is. The guy can’t stay healthy

        • braves2

          11 months ago

          in all fairness, no one can stay healthy anymore

    • 48-team MLB

      11 months ago

      I have already predicted a Reds/Royals World Series sometime in the ’40s.

      Reply
      • baseballpun

        11 months ago

        Which century?

        Reply
        • 48-team MLB

          11 months ago

          This century. Let’s say 2044. Reds in six games. Then they won’t win again until 2087.

        • The Baseball Fan (Doesn’t like the Cubs)

          11 months ago

          I’ll hold you to that prediction.

      • stevecohenMVP

        11 months ago

        We will all be dead by then. Thanks to the globalist scum that run the world.

        Reply
        • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

          11 months ago

          And here I thought I was the only pessimist that thought that way…..

        • beerncheese

          11 months ago

          Cmon stevecohen, Trump and Putin aren’t globalists.

        • flamingbagofpoop

          11 months ago

          rent free 24/7, 365.

        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          We got get enough politics.

        • hiflew

          11 months ago

          That’s why he picked KC and Cincinnati. In 2044 after the nukes fall, those will likely be the two biggest cities left.

      • GoRav114

        11 months ago

        Just like before, the Orioles will finally have a competitive team and it will be the same time KC ready to join the party again

        Reply
    • FSF

      11 months ago

      Don’t you understand? These owners are losing so much money that this is what they have to do. They’re scraping by clipping coupons as it is.

      Reply
      • Yankee Clipper

        11 months ago

        Exactly. I mean, maybe we can start a foundation for the owners? Like #OwnersinNeedofMoney? Or something similar so they don’t continue to endure the hardships of having to pocket 70% of revenue sharing donated by the other MLB teams…. I just feel…. Terrible for the Reds owners.

        Reply
        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          It’s moves like this that I believe them when they claim some teams are losing money. They are either money grubbing maggots, or they are not making as much as people think they are. I typically think people are not without morals, so I believe the latter….and I’m a happier person because of it.

        • Astros Hot Takes

          11 months ago

          “They are either money grubbing maggots, or they are not making as much as people think they are.”

          could be both 🙂

        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          It could be both.

        • flamingbagofpoop

          11 months ago

          I think the reds are a good example of it, in general. They spent a good amount of money a few years ago, then abruptly started cutting costs, for basically no return. Unless their owner is bipolar, it doesn’t make a ton of sense to operate that way, unless it really did become an issue.

        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          The Angels are not going to trade Detmers or Bachman for him. They’d be fools to trade Canning. And why would the Reds want Barria or Suarez?

    • DonnyDownvote

      11 months ago

      They didn’t get much for Gray. Don’t the Reds know good starting pitchers are worth a premium right now?

      Reply
      • Ol’ Uncle Charlie

        11 months ago

        @Donny, when a team is COMMITTED to losing and shedding payroll, matters such as “the future” and “upside” simply don’t factor in.

        As a Cards fan, seeing the Reds sputter out works for me.

        Reply
      • Omarj

        11 months ago

        Angels wtf. This was your guy for the taking

        Reply
        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          Why. Who were they going to trade for him?

        • mathblaster

          11 months ago

          Certainly the Halos have a high risk lottery ticket pitching prospect likely to blow his arm up too…

    • Ƭ̵̬̊ Player Formly Known As MousecopƬ̵̬̊

      11 months ago

      Castillo is next. To the Dodgers or Yankees

      Reply
    • fisher40

      11 months ago

      That’s what happens when you have an owner of a small market team who’s a cheapskate

      Reply
      • Ƭ̵̬̊ Player Formly Known As MousecopƬ̵̬̊

        11 months ago

        The Ricketts are cheapsakes and are in the top 5 market. They quadrupled the value of the cubs in just under a decade. The last 3 years somehow they became broke.

        Reply
  3. Ully

    11 months ago

    Chasing the clouds away.

    Reply
    • Armaments216

      11 months ago

      In NY it was crowds not clouds

      Reply
  4. Connorsoxfan

    11 months ago

    WHAT

    Reply
  5. Braveslifer

    11 months ago

    Wow, out of nowhere

    Reply
  6. FletcherFan69

    11 months ago

    uhhhh based?

    Reply
  7. DarkSide830

    11 months ago

    i doubt this is shaking up the AL Central. MIN is still behind at least CHW.

    Reply
    • 48-team MLB

      11 months ago

      White Sox

      Tigers

      Twins

      SPIDERS

      Royals

      Reply
      • The Baseball Fan (Doesn’t like the Cubs)

        11 months ago

        48 team MLB- wish I could like this comment twice

        Reply
        • bobtillman

          11 months ago

          And 40 of them in the playoffs.

      • DonnyDownvote

        11 months ago

        I think I’ll call them the Guardians from now on.

        Reply
      • Doug Jones

        11 months ago

        dougdeb
        Royals
        White Sox
        Indians
        Tigers
        Twins

        KC going to surprise some people. Young arms and young talent on te field. Biggest weakness. Bullpen.

        Reply
        • padresfan111323

          11 months ago

          It’s one thing saying they’re a sleeper team, it’s another to say they will win the division over the White Sox

      • Ducky Buckin Fent

        11 months ago

        Probably, @48.

        But: I can see the Twins jumping Detroit. I don’t see much of a gap, & I think MN will be more active than the Tigers. I like seeing the teams in the Upper Midwest being competitive.

        Reply
        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          I think KC will be better than people think.

        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          11 months ago

          They need more to go right in order to have a good season than the other teams in the Central. How I see it anyway.

          I know that they have a lot of high ranked, big name prospects. But: that’s still all they are. Prospects.

        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          Chicago is the class of the division. But I bet KC won’t finish in last place.

        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          11 months ago

          I put them there simply by default. You may very well be right.

  8. yogineely

    11 months ago

    Wow nice

    Reply
  9. The Baseball Fan (Doesn’t like the Cubs)

    11 months ago

    NOOOO

    Reply
  10. 15yearoldbaseballfanatic

    11 months ago

    Trading a for a rental after dealing assets like Berrios? Interesting strategy…

    Reply
    • InherentVice

      11 months ago

      Sonny Gray is under contract for two seasons (assuming Twins pick up his 2023 option), so not a rental.

      Reply
    • DonnyDownvote

      11 months ago

      Team option at only 12 million.

      Reply
    • wjf010

      11 months ago

      Berrios didn’t want to extend with the Twins. I don’t understand why people can’t grasp facts.

      Reply
      • GaryWarriorsRedSox

        11 months ago

        wjf, It’s the same people that wonder why the Red Sox traded away Mookie Betts. They don’t get it.

        Reply
        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          Didn’t the Red Sox trade Betts to reset the CBT?

        • GaryWarriorsRedSox

          11 months ago

          Halo, the Red Sox offered mookie a boatload of money. He was a great player and the Red Sox loved him. But he did not think it was enough and he was right because the Dodgers gave him heck of a lot more.

          Yes the Red Sox made moves that year, mookie being the biggest, to get back below the tax penalty line. But my point is that mookie was not going to sign an extension in Boston no way no how. He literally said he wanted the test free agency.

        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          I don’t think the Red Sox trade Betts if they are under the cap. I follow baseball, but I only know the Angels. I’m certainly not going to adamantly disagree with a Red Sox fan when it comes to the Red Sox.

        • GaryWarriorsRedSox

          11 months ago

          You have to trade him if you know he’s going to walk.

          I certainly don’t know everything about the Red Sox. And I’m wrong often. I see you here all the time and you know your stuff.

      • 15yearoldbaseballfanatic

        11 months ago

        That’s not the point. The crux with the Twins’ decision-making is that Berrios was a key performer. If they were willing to trade Petty, a promising prospect, for an aging pitcher that will perform well for the next couple of years and then depart/decline, then why not hold onto Berrios and attempt a playoff push in 2022? Or if you don’t feel confident with your chances, then why trade for Gray in the first place?
        It’s not that the trade is objectively bad for either side, it’s merely confounding from a strategic standpoint.

        Reply
        • Tnope

          11 months ago

          They saw that as an opportunity to upgrade their farm system by trading Berrios and acquire a similar pitcher, for the near future, for a lower amount of prospect capital. Not saying I agree with it but there’s the logic

        • wjf010

          11 months ago

          again, 15 yr old…you do not get it….Berrios wanted to move on. why keep him and get less assets? you do realize, also, that Berrios is a tad overrated….and, a bit of a head case. wait til August.

        • baseballisfun

          11 months ago

          Huge twins fan here, why is Berrios a head case?

        • flamingbagofpoop

          11 months ago

          Not really. They’re a team that has had some ups and downs the past couple years. They’re still trying to remain competitive, but not waste the value they could get in return for Berrios. They think there is more value in Gray + return for Berrios than they do in Berrios + Petty. You can disagree with their evaluation, but I can at least see what they’re thinking.

        • JoeBrady

          11 months ago

          Tnope4 hours ago
          They saw that as an opportunity to upgrade their farm system by trading Berrios and acquire a similar pitcher, for the near future, for a lower amount of prospect capital. Not saying I agree with it but there’s the logic
          ======================================
          I think that’s spot-on.

          1-This is not going to be a l/t rebuild, more like a reset.

          2-The difference between Berrios and Gray, imho, isn’t going to be that much. I’d bet real money they will get more WAR from Gray in two years than they would’ve for one year of Berrios. In exchange, they get Martin and SWR, and give up Petty. Win/win there, imo.

          3-And if Gray ever gives them 3 good months, they will trade Gray for more than they gave up to get him.

        • $21002046

          11 months ago

          The difference between Berrios and Gray is 5 years, about 40 IP per year and that one is entering his prime while the other is leaving his.

        • Waittillthisyear

          11 months ago

          Berrios is a head case? Actually he is/was one of the most congenial, focused and hard working pitchers the Twins have EVER had. Watch him dominate with the Jays, and pitch until his late 30s at a high level.

      • Waittillthisyear

        11 months ago

        Berrios never said he wouldn’t sign an extension with the Twins. The Twins simply failed to offer even close to the below market extension he got with the Jays. They could’ve kept him for this year and instead traded Maeda when he was healthy plus Pineda to get Austin Martin. Twins made a serious mistake and tried to put it on the player.

        Reply
  11. I Like Big Bunts

    11 months ago

    Pirates or Reds in last in NL Central?

    Reply
    • Milwaukee-2208

      11 months ago

      Pirates are a AAA team

      Reply
      • docbot

        11 months ago

        I’m not sure the pirates would finish in first place in any aaa division.

        Reply
        • Milwaukee-2208

          11 months ago

          Pirates organization is pretty pathetic.
          They aren’t even trying anymore but hey I’ll take the easy wins anyway against them

    • peteredwardrose4256

      11 months ago

      Reds

      Reply
    • Armaments216

      11 months ago

      As of now, Pirates. If the Reds also swap Castillo or Mahle that may change.

      Reply
    • YourDreamGM

      11 months ago

      Pirates but closer than a lot of people think.

      Reply
  12. bigpooky

    11 months ago

    shake up. LOL The twins are light years away from catching the White Sox. This makes them, what? Generously 10 games under . 500.

    Reply
    • The Baseball Fan (Doesn’t like the Cubs)

      11 months ago

      Yeah, I don’t know how shaken up the central will be. This probably secures a third place finish though

      Reply
    • i like al conin

      11 months ago

      Wondering if the 2 additional playoff teams will give some teams false hope.

      Reply
      • WillDS

        11 months ago

        For sure it will, especially the first few years. Which is great for fans of teams with good front offices.

        Reply
  13. Milwaukee-2208

    11 months ago

    Thank you Twins

    -brewer fans

    Always pitched tough against us

    Reply
    • $21002046

      11 months ago

      You could still see him twice

      Reply
  14. FSF

    11 months ago

    Nice! Now the Yanks will have ample opportunity to stomp all over him during their annual pummeling of the Twins!

    Reply
  15. secretsatan

    11 months ago

    It’s Nick Lodolo time.

    Reply
  16. Captain Judge99

    11 months ago

    Pickles goes to the Twinkies. Just so glad he’s not a Yankee again. Congratulations Twinkies!!!

    Reply
    • Tnope

      11 months ago

      Is that an actual nick name for him?

      Reply
  17. nukeg

    11 months ago

    Man I hope that means the Angels are in on Castillo or Mahle because Gray would have been a no brainer for the Halo rotation.

    Reply
    • Angels & NL West

      11 months ago

      I would have been happy to see the Angels pick up IKF to play SS and Gray to slot behind Ohtani and maybe Thor.

      Reply
      • nukeg

        11 months ago

        I agree. The front office silence (again) has me a little concerned that they’re going to stand pat on the rotation and are going dumpster diving for SS or 2B (and move Fletcher to SS). Oye.

        Reply
        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          It’s not like I trust Perry but the Angels can’t be so stupid they enter season without a shortstop.

          I think they are going to bring in Nick Ahmed but it’s a matter of how much salary Arizona will eat.

        • Angels & NL West

          11 months ago

          I would love to see the Angels pick up Ahmed. I’m not sure if it’s posturing or really the D-backs thinking, but Hazen reiterated again this morning in the AZ Republic that they are not rebuilding. Having said that, one of the D-backs top prospects, SS Geraralo Perdomo, should be ready this year making Ahmed expendable at some point.

  18. DHud

    11 months ago

    Reds fans are going to have Bob’s head on a pike at this rate

    Reply
  19. Tiger22matt

    11 months ago

    More underwhelming packages coming to the Reds soon. This owner is a joke.

    Reply
    • solaris602

      11 months ago

      Seems they got a decent prospect in return, but he’s years from the bigs. Reds could have done worse, but they still managed to hose it up by including Peguero.

      Reply
      • Tiger22matt

        11 months ago

        Just say it the Reds go hosed. I’m sure Castillo and Winker will be next for guys that won’t sniff the majors.

        Reply
  20. DodgersWorldChamps2020+2022

    11 months ago

    What a steal for the Twins.

    Reply
  21. dlw0906

    11 months ago

    Nice move by the Twins

    Reply
  22. leftykoufax

    11 months ago

    They have a terrible ballpark and bad management, reds fans deserve better.

    Reply
    • Matfactor2

      11 months ago

      I personally love our park…

      Management really sucks.

      Reply
      • Ol’ Uncle Charlie

        11 months ago

        You like that ballpark…for baseball? I mean, a band box is a nice place to see…a band…but I like baseball to be baseball…not The Khoury League Softball Dinger Contest.

        Reply
        • earmbrister

          11 months ago

          So I guess you consider Yankee stadium to be a bandbox too. And Minute Maid Park as well.

  23. redhaze1

    11 months ago

    Gray can be replaced and the team can still be competitive. The true direction of the Reds will come when they decide who will replace Castellanos in right field.

    Reply
    • DonnyDownvote

      11 months ago

      The Reds are packing it in here. Even the Cubs are trying after their fire sale last summer.

      Reply
    • Armaments216

      11 months ago

      Reds won’t be adding anyone. Best guess for RF is Tyler Naquin unless they dump him too.

      Reply
  24. StreakingBlue

    11 months ago

    Not an expert on Twins minor league system, but this seems like a a really lopsided trade just one minor leaguer for Gray? Wow dumped

    Reply
    • YourDreamGM

      11 months ago

      Twins got him for really cheap. Reds really really loved that prospect. Too much love.

      Reply
  25. Joekr

    11 months ago

    So, that’s over $40,000,000 cut from the budget and only 1 high school pitcher to show for it this off-season.
    MLB Caliber players:
    Nick- $16,000,000 TBD, (likely no return)
    Tucker- $7,500,000 no return
    Sonny- $10,166,667 19 year old pitcher
    Wade- $10,000,000 no return
    Should be traded/released, but still here:
    Moose- $16, 000,000 (22), $18,000,000 (23), & $4,000,000 buyout (24)
    Shogo- $8,000,000

    Wish I didn’t buy a ticket package now.

    Reply
    • DonnyDownvote

      11 months ago

      But hey the secondary market will be on fire.

      Ok, maybe not.

      Reply
    • juanc-2

      11 months ago

      Sorry man.

      Reply
    • YourDreamGM

      11 months ago

      What did you expect? They should have fired their weak gm but gave him a promotion instead.

      Reply
  26. Ronk325

    11 months ago

    Lmao at the the notion of this trade “shaking up both central divisions.” It’s more like a rare occurrence of two feeder teams coming together for a trade

    Reply
    • YourDreamGM

      11 months ago

      I still view both teams about the same in division pecking order.

      Reply
  27. pburns65

    11 months ago

    thanks Chaim

    Reply
  28. bobtillman

    11 months ago

    Petty’s not chopped liver, but seems a bit short for Sonny, especially with the dearth of pitching out there. Seems the Reds could have done better.

    Reply
    • Tiger22matt

      11 months ago

      Compared to Gray he is chopped liver. What a bad trade package.

      Reply
    • mookiesboy

      11 months ago

      he s more like a cheesesteak with Cheezewhiz. Horrible return

      Reply
  29. winonesooner

    11 months ago

    this is a great move for the twinkies. go to postseason with him or sell him for more at the deadline.

    Reply
  30. bigredsfan41017

    11 months ago

    Fans should demand Castellini reveal his profit/loss statement. If they trade Castillo Reds fans should boycott the team until we get a new owner. I’m sick of him building up, tearing down, building up, tearing down the team. Castellini and Khral must go.

    Reply
    • FrustratedRedsFan

      11 months ago

      Agree. I could rant further but I think my username says it all.

      Reply
  31. thelegendaryharambe

    11 months ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXO3hvES1nA

    Reply
  32. RunDMC

    11 months ago

    Wait…you can trade picks now? Is that new from the CBA agreement? I don’t think the 26th overall pick is a comp.

    Reply
    • thelegendaryharambe

      11 months ago

      They didn’t. They traded a guy who was already drafted last summer, that being Chase Petty. I also was confused by the phrasing of the article for a second when I read it.

      Reply
      • RunDMC

        11 months ago

        Ah, “the 26th overall selection in the 2021 Draft” — thanks for the correction.

        Reply
    • Conkatonk

      11 months ago

      I was thinking the same thing, wouldn’t this be the first trade involving picks?

      Reply
  33. Adams 4

    11 months ago

    2 years of Sonny Gray a 3.19 and 3.66 xfip the last two years for one Wildcard late first round High school pitcher is stupid! He has way more trade value than that.

    I have defended the Reds FO up until today. The could have easily gotten a wildcard and another mlb pitcher to keep this 22′ team competitive, or don’t make the trade! This is not a trade a franchise with a future makes!

    Vent over

    Reply
    • RePete

      11 months ago

      if they got an MLB pitcher in return, the Reds might have to pay him something. I’m sure they preferred getting this outcome.

      Reply
    • YourDreamGM

      11 months ago

      You defending that awful dodger trade and awful Moose signing?

      Reply
  34. DarkSide830

    11 months ago

    wait you can trade non comp picks now?

    Reply
    • Halo11Fan

      11 months ago

      It’s the pick from last year’s draft.

      Reply
  35. jdgoat

    11 months ago

    One prospect for Gray? Yikes. Cincinnati is going to be a disaster this year.

    Reply
  36. CNichols

    11 months ago

    This is such a bizarre trade. On one hand the Reds are giving away Gray for so little. This return is objectively light.

    On the other hand the Twins are also such an odd team to be acquiring Gray. They’ve traded away Berrios and Garver within the last year, I can’t tell if they’re rebuilding or competing or what.

    Reply
    • StreakingBlue

      11 months ago

      They are trying to keep fans coming by pretending to be competitive

      Reply
    • RunDMC

      11 months ago

      You get a pitcher that has shown TOR upside when you need pitching with multiple years of relatively inexpensive control and you’re not giving up much in prospect capital — they can easily flip if he performs well and improve the prospect return.

      Buy low, sell high — keep the profits. Rinse-repeat. Rebuilding.

      Reply
    • seamaholic 2

      11 months ago

      It’s not light at all. Petty is a big time prospect and Gray is a middle of the rotation type with two years of control. Fair trade.

      Reply
      • Tiger22matt

        11 months ago

        Bad move 2026 bullpen prospect.

        Reply
      • flamingbagofpoop

        11 months ago

        40+ =/= big time prospect.

        Reply
    • YourDreamGM

      11 months ago

      Yep put out the idea of contention to the fans and if everything goes right it’s possible. But most likely they flip him for a prospect package more to their liking.

      Reply
  37. pappyvw

    11 months ago

    Castellini sux

    Reply
  38. teddyk

    11 months ago

    Great move by the twins, honestly not sure why others were not offering similar/better offers. Two years at $22 mil total for a guy that has an excellent k rate and decent ground ball rate. Yeah he had some injury concerns, but what starter doesn’t these days. Outside of the year with the yanks he has been solid to all star when healthy. a steal for a late round first type prospect. Would have loved to see the Red Sox snag him instead.

    Reply
    • seamaholic 2

      11 months ago

      I mean, they got the Twins first round draft pick from last year, who is very highly thought of.

      Reply
      • Tiger22matt

        11 months ago

        Who also won’t be available until 2026 and is projected to be a bullpen arm.

        Reply
      • flamingbagofpoop

        11 months ago

        Where do you see that he is very highly thought of?

        Reply
        • Halo11Fan

          11 months ago

          Most first round picks are highly thought of. They don’t give pout 2.5 million dollar signing bonuses to just anyone.

        • seamaholic 2

          11 months ago

          At the draft, he was talked about as the best right handed high school arm in recent memory. (Not yet best pitcher, or he would have gone higher, but best arm.) Throws easy 101 with a whipping motion and pretty good command. Huge error bars for a guy like that, but prospects with legit ace upside don’t grow on trees. And Gray is just decent, let’s not exaggerate.

        • flamingbagofpoop

          11 months ago

          How can you make the post you just did and then say, “let’s not exaggerate”? If he has, “legit ace upside”. Looking at actual prospect evaluators describe him, none of them are anywhere close to as high on him as you are.

        • flamingbagofpoop

          11 months ago

          Fangraphs has him as a 40+ FV prospect, so I guess they disagree with you. First round picks are arguably highly thought of compared to the other members of their draft class, not prospects in general,. The 2.5 that he got was actually less than slot for that pick.

        • flamingbagofpoop

          11 months ago

          Is fangraphs totally off on him? I can’t find anything that actually supports your point, but for example, their grades on his command are 20/45, definitely not what you’d consider pretty good.

  39. ❤️ MuteButton

    11 months ago

    I always feel bad for Reds fans. Along with St. Louis, they seem to have great, great fans, and the organization continually does this. Baffling

    Reply
    • Ol’ Uncle Charlie

      11 months ago

      You’re comparing the Reds’ organization to the Cards’? You, sir, are out of your mind.

      Reply
      • BUCKCINCY73D

        11 months ago

        hey you are correct. I wish my Reds was ran as well as the Cards are.

        Reply
      • ❤️ MuteButton

        11 months ago

        If you slow down and read my comment, you’ll see that the comment was about the fandom, not the organization
        As far as passionate fans, yes I would definitely compare them. The Cardinals are a better organization, no question.
        I’m a lifelong Astros fan, and I’ve always found cardinal fans and reds fans to be very passionate and well informed

        Reply
        • Ol’ Uncle Charlie

          11 months ago

          After your explaining of your clunky phrasing, I get your meaning.

          And no fans deserve what the Reds’ organization is doing to its fans.

        • BUCKCINCY73D

          11 months ago

          I see what you are also saying now.

      • ❤️ MuteButton

        11 months ago

        Though I admit, I can see how you deduced the slight against the Cards

        Reply
  40. Scoot

    11 months ago

    I hate the Reds so much. #SellTheTeamBob

    Reply
    • Hammer please quit 30 words or less

      11 months ago

      Scoop for Mlb Commish!

      Reply
  41. FrankDrebin

    11 months ago

    The Tigers should have made this deal.

    Reply
  42. redhaze1

    11 months ago

    Simple question that the Reds fans are owed, “Will you be making deals to improve the Reds this season?”

    Reply
    • Colorado Red

      11 months ago

      Response from the deads.
      What? We want a payroll of $50.00 for the years.
      For time I say.
      Sell the team.

      Reply
  43. Cincyfan85

    11 months ago

    Wtf… and the Reds had to throw in someone else to sweeten the pot. Seriously… what are they doing!?

    Reply
  44. steelman

    11 months ago

    Are the Reds tanking for a reason? Number one pick in mlb is just not the same as nfl. Fielding a double AA team at mlb prices? Enough is enough

    Reply
  45. Barelybreathin

    11 months ago

    Grays salary a mere 10.7 million. How does anyone fix their lips to say that? Look at what free agency created. Billionaire owners and millionaire players. Whose paying for it?

    Anyone that buys the MLB brand.

    Reply
  46. mp9

    11 months ago

    Great!! now work a deal for Manaea & will be set

    Reply
    • $21002046

      11 months ago

      That would set the Twins… at .500!

      Reply
  47. Sky14

    11 months ago

    I was kind of excited about Petty. He has lots of promise but perhaps a long ways to go to achieve it. Getting Gray for him is worthwhile.

    Reply
  48. angt222

    11 months ago

    Twin City’s Ace.

    Reply
  49. bigredsfan41017

    11 months ago

    Just yesterday Nick Krall, GM Reds, said the Reds were looking to address the following areas: backup catcher, bench bats, bullpen help, a 5th starter, does Petty address any of these areas? Heck NO, he lied to the fans! I’m sick of Castellini and Krall!!!

    Reply
  50. YourDreamGM

    11 months ago

    A plus for twins. See how they do and if not in it they could trade Gray for a better package than they gave up.

    D plus for Reds. Huge upside but if he finds success it’s likely as a reliever. Not a F because he is a first round talent and could develop his change up and be a good starter. I think they could have found a better single prospect and more importantly and rhe reason for the D I think the twins would have still made this deal without giving them a prospect with Gray. Reds also probably would have done better going quantity over quality.

    Reply
    • $21002046

      11 months ago

      Unless he’s 3-11 at the 2022 trade deadline, the Twins could hardly flip Gray for less than they gave up.

      Reply
  51. LaFlamaBlanca

    11 months ago

    Ahhh yes Angels once again doing next to nothing on the pitching front. Sonny Gray could have made a massive difference and slotted into their #2 spot. The fact that Twins only gave up their #7 prospect adds more insult to injury, just sell the team Arte!

    Reply
    • YourDreamGM

      11 months ago

      There number 7 prospect was still a 2021 1st round pick. You willing to give up your 2021 first round pick for him to beat their offer?

      Reply
      • flamingbagofpoop

        11 months ago

        The Angles picked 9th, the Twins 26th. Why are you acting like all 1st round picks are the same thing?

        Reply
        • YourDreamGM

          11 months ago

          Where was acting like all 1st round picks are the same thing?

  52. JoeBrady

    11 months ago

    The return feels short. Gray is probably not as good as Bassitt, but it might be closer than people think, given that Oakland’s defense is a lot better than the Reds. And Gray has two years, as opposed to one for Bassitt.

    And on the other side, I like Ginn better Petty, and Oller might be marginally useful out of the BP.

    Reply
  53. $21002046

    11 months ago

    Twins got Gray dirt cheap.
    If he has a better season than he did last year, they now have an outside shot at 80 wins.

    Reply
  54. WHeitzman

    11 months ago

    I can’t tell if it is a fire sale or a dumpster fire

    Reply
  55. Moneyballer

    11 months ago

    Should have traded Luis Castillo. Sonny Gray is actually a quality starter with shutout and high k ability. Twins did well.

    Reply
  56. mrflimflam

    11 months ago

    Truly a sad and depressing time to be a Reds fan. At least the kids are fun to watch as they develop and then finally get traded to a team that actually wants to win yearly.

    Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Please login to leave a reply.
Log in Register

ad: 300x250_1_MLB

    Top Stories

    Dodgers Sign Miguel Rojas To Contract Extension

    Jake McGee Retires

    Royals Re-Sign Zack Greinke

    Orioles To Decline Five-Year Lease Extension At Camden Yards, Seeking Longer-Term Agreement With Maryland Stadium Authority

    Mariners, Dylan Moore Agree to Three-Year Extension

    Blue Jays Sign Chad Green

    Rays Extend Yandy Diaz

    Dexter Fowler Announces Retirement

    Mets Sign Jeff McNeil To Four-Year Extension

    Red Sox, Marlins Swap Matt Barnes For Richard Bleier

    Darren O’Day Announces Retirement

    Braves Extend Manager Brian Snitker Through 2025

    Rays Sign Pete Fairbanks To Extension

    Royals Sign Aroldis Chapman To One-Year Deal

    Athletics Sign Jesús Aguilar

    Orioles Acquire Cole Irvin From A’s

    Astros Name Dana Brown General Manager

    Rays Extend Jeffrey Springs

    Royals, Red Sox Swap Adalberto Mondesi For Josh Taylor

    Red Sox Designate Matt Barnes For Assignment

    Recent

    Mets To Hire Carlos Beltran As Special Assistant To The GM

    AL Notes: Ohtani, Angels, Vespi, Yoshida, Red Sox

    MLBTR Chat Transcript

    Rays Notes: Adam, Peralta, Extensions

    Twins Sign Locke St. John To Minor League Deal

    Yankees Sign Ian Hamilton To Minor League Deal

    Quick Hits: Muñoz, Sadler, Vavra

    Brandon Crawford Discusses Offseason, Upcoming Campaign

    Dodgers Notes: Valenzuela, Urias, Vargas, Muncy

    Giants, Logan Webb Have Talked About Long-Term Extension

    MLBTR Newsletter - Hot stove highlights in your inbox, five days a week

    Latest Rumors & News

    Latest Rumors & News

    • Offseason Outlook Series
    Trade Rumors App for iOS and Android

    MLBTR Features

    MLBTR Features

    • Go Ad-Free
    • Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2023
    • 2022-23 MLB Free Agent List
    • MLB Player Chats
    • Transaction Tracker
    • Extension Tracker
    • Agency Database
    • MLBTR On Twitter
    • MLBTR On Facebook
    • Team Facebook Pages
    • How To Set Up Notifications For Breaking News
    • Hoops Rumors
    • Pro Football Rumors
    • Pro Hockey Rumors

    Rumors By Team

    • Angels Rumors
    • Astros Rumors
    • Athletics Rumors
    • Blue Jays Rumors
    • Braves Rumors
    • Brewers Rumors
    • Cardinals Rumors
    • Cubs Rumors
    • Diamondbacks Rumors
    • Dodgers Rumors
    • Giants Rumors
    • Guardians Rumors
    • Mariners Rumors
    • Marlins Rumors
    • Mets Rumors
    • Nationals Rumors
    • Orioles Rumors
    • Padres Rumors
    • Phillies Rumors
    • Pirates Rumors
    • Rangers Rumors
    • Rays Rumors
    • Red Sox Rumors
    • Reds Rumors
    • Rockies Rumors
    • Royals Rumors
    • Tigers Rumors
    • Twins Rumors
    • White Sox Rumors
    • Yankees Rumors

    ad: 160x600_MLB

    Navigation

    • Sitemap
    • Archives
    • Feeds by Team

    MLBTR INFO

    • Advertise
    • About
    • Commenting Policy
    • Privacy Policy

    Connect

    • Contact Us
    • Twitter
    • Facebook
    • RSS Feed

    MLB Trade Rumors is not affiliated with Major League Baseball, MLB or MLB.com

    hide arrowsFOX Sports Engage Network scroll to top
    Close

    Desktop Version | Switch To Mobile Version