The Reds and Twins are in agreement on a deal headlined by right-hander Sonny Gray, moving from Cincinnati to Minnesota, per Bobby Nightengale of the Cincinnati Enquirer (via Twitter). Along with Gray, the Twins will receive minor league right-hander Francis Peguero. In return, the Reds will acquire the 26th overall selection of the 2021 draft, right-hander Chase Petty. Both teams have announced the deal, making it official.
This deal has the potential to shake up both central divisions. The Twins, for their part, look much improved with the addition of Gray, and they might not be done adding starters, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman (via Twitter). With Kenta Maeda out after undergoing Tommy John surgery, the rotation was easily the Twins’ biggest area of need moving forward.
Although the Twins bottomed out last year, which led to the sell-off of a number of high-profile names, much of the talent that took them to the playoffs in 2019 and 2020 remains. Gray represents a pseudo replacement for the biggest departure, Jose Berrios, who was traded to the Blue Jays in July. Though Berrios was a homegrown star – and he’s four and a half years younger than Gray – in the short term, the 32-year-old Gray is certainly capable of holding the line in what was once Berrios’ rotation spot.
Twins president of baseball operations Derek Falvey praised Gray for a makeup that’s “off the charts,” mentioning his ability to “anchor the rotation” and set an example for younger starters, per this video clip from Phil Miller of the Star Tribune. The player, the personality, and the two years of team control made Gray a natural target for this Twins’ squad.
Berrios is the broader talent of the two, but one could argue that Gray is a better fit for this particular Twins roster because of the versatility his contract affords them. Despite a $1MM bump to his contract because of the trade, tweets Nightengale, Gray’s 2022 salary still clocks in at a mere $10.7MM. Furthermore, the Twins now hold an affordable $13MM club option for 2023. That’s plenty economical for a rotation arm coming off a 3.3 rWAR/2.4 fWAR output over 135 1/3 innings spanning 26 starts.
Given the contract, the Twins can flip Gray again if they crater as they did in 2021, but if the club proves to be more competitive, Gray figures to be one of the reasons why. His strikeout numbers were down a touch from his career norms, down to a still-solid 27.0 percent strikeout rate, but his walk rate also improved to 8.7 percent, and there’s little reason to think he can’t continue to be a solid mid-to-front-end arm.
Gray should be helped by moving from the Reds’ uneven defense to a fairly well-equipped defensive unit in Minnesota. If Byron Buxton stays healthy, and Josh Donaldson can avoid an age-related decline at third, the Twins ought to catch their share of baseballs, especially with Isiah Kiner-Falefa taking over at short.
In terms of the wider impact on Minnesota’s roster, the rotation doesn’t have much else in the way of sure things. Randy Dobnak was signed to a low-risk, long-term contract last winter, but the 27-year-old struggled mightily in 2021 and didn’t end up spending much time in the rotation. Dylan Bundy had a similar kind of year for the Angels. The 29-year-old has a longer track record, but no less uncertainty. Joe Ryan, are Bailey Ober are likeliest to fill out the middle of the rotation, with Lewis Thorpe and Griffin Jax also competing for an opportunity. That’s not a unit to set your hair on fire, but it’s getting closer.
The Twins, of course, not only get the most established arm in the deal, but they’re also getting Peguero, a 24-year-old reliever out of the Dominican Republic who finished last season in High-A. Peguero isn’t close to the prospect that Petty is, but he’s a flyer nonetheless who at least has a chance of becoming a late-inning bullpen arm. Peguero posted a 4.96 ERA over 32 2/3 innings last year, striking out 36 batters in 32 2/3 innings, picking up six saves.
Taking the aerial view, the AL Central continues to get more competitive. The Tigers and Twins have both made strides to challenge the White Sox, who had a relatively clear path to a division title in 2021. Whether this will be enough to get the Twins back to their 2019-20 level remains to be seen.
On the other side, the Reds step further away from their short-lived identity as a free-spending all-out contender for the NL Central crown. The Reds spent aggressively to end their playoff drought prior to the 2020 season, and they succeeded in that measure, making the expanded playoffs as a 31-29 wild card team. They were shut out in their two playoff games, however. They actually improved by winning percentage in 2021, finishing the year with 83 wins, but out of the playoff money.
It’s tough to imagine the 2022 Reds doing even that well after subtracting Gray and Wade Miley from the rotation. Miley, of course, they gave away for nothing, letting division rival Chicago claim him off waivers. Miley may be a 35-year-old coming off a career year, but it still seems relatively short-sighted to let go of a starter who just posted a 5.9 rWAR season without netting even a lottery pick in return.
For Gray, at least, the Reds aren’t walking away empty-handed. Petty is a live-armed righty who can hit triple digits on the radar gun. As the Twins’ top draft pick in the 2021 draft, he comes with plenty of upside, but he’s also just a month out from turning 19. His future, therefore, comes with a wide range of potential outcomes. If nothing else, the Reds accomplished the goal of cutting money from their payroll while adding to the farm system.
Petty was the 7th-ranked prospect in the Twins’ system, per Baseball America, which marks both his fastball and slider as potential 70-grade offerings. He was starting games for the Twins and would continue to do so in 2022, but they saw Petty’s most likely future to be that of a “back-end reliever,” per The Athletic’s Dan Hayes (via Twitter). BA, similarly, writes that “Petty’s upside is significant, but his specific player demographic is inherently risky and he’ll need plenty of time to develop.”
The variability built into Petty’s future might make this trade a tough pill to swallow for Reds’ fans. In the short term, it’s fair to wonder if this deal drops the Reds behind even the Cubs in the overall hierarchy of the NL Central. They are firmly behind the Cardinals and Brewers, and still firmly ahead of the Pirates.
The coming weeks will tell a lot about how the Reds view this deal. If they are entering a full-blown rebuild, rumors about the availability of Luis Castillo and Tyler Mahle will continue to swirl. If, however, the Reds view this deal as a calculated re-balancing of the books – in the vein of how leadership pitched the Raisel Iglesias trade last winter – the Reds might still have enough talent leftover in the rotation to hang around the NL Central race.
At this point, however, they will be relying on a relatively unproven collection of arms after Castillo and Mahle. It’s hard to see where the rotation can build on last year’s success without Gray and Miley unless Hunter Greene quickly emerges as a frontline arm. Vladimir Gutierrez held his own last year, but he’ll need to take another step forward to be anything more than a back of the rotation arm.
There is time left this offseason for the Reds to shift the narrative, but for the time being, this move will further the perception of the Reds as a cost-conscious also-ran more concerned with lowering payroll than truly competing. Critics will lump this deal in with the Iglesias and Tucker Barnhart trades as evidence of their penny-pinching. The Barnhart deal is defensible because of the presence of Tyler Stephenson, but the Iglesias deal ended up hurting the club more than they anticipated in 2021. If the rotation falls off as many expect it will, the Reds will have a hard time selling this move as an example of roster savvy.
Oooooooo niceee
Say it with me people? That’s it? You people need to adjust your values if your constantly surprised at the return.
Nice depth for the Twinkies
Was there someone expecting a massive haul for Gray or something?
expected something a bit more than just one high-upside arm… not that the Twins gave away ‘nothing’ for Gray, just that with so many rotations in need of extra support, I would have expected another team to present a slightly better offer to Cincy.
Exactly what Yankees’ fans are thinking:
“Looking forward to shelling him”
Reds blatantly not even trying anymore.
Or are they moving dead weight
Moose and Suarez are dead weight
Sonny is statistically one of the better pitchers in the NL
When he pitches he is. The guy can’t stay healthy
in all fairness, no one can stay healthy anymore
I have already predicted a Reds/Royals World Series sometime in the ’40s.
Which century?
This century. Let’s say 2044. Reds in six games. Then they won’t win again until 2087.
I’ll hold you to that prediction.
We will all be dead by then. Thanks to the globalist scum that run the world.
And here I thought I was the only pessimist that thought that way…..
Cmon stevecohen, Trump and Putin aren’t globalists.
rent free 24/7, 365.
We got get enough politics.
That’s why he picked KC and Cincinnati. In 2044 after the nukes fall, those will likely be the two biggest cities left.
Just like before, the Orioles will finally have a competitive team and it will be the same time KC ready to join the party again
Don’t you understand? These owners are losing so much money that this is what they have to do. They’re scraping by clipping coupons as it is.
Exactly. I mean, maybe we can start a foundation for the owners? Like #OwnersinNeedofMoney? Or something similar so they don’t continue to endure the hardships of having to pocket 70% of revenue sharing donated by the other MLB teams…. I just feel…. Terrible for the Reds owners.
It’s moves like this that I believe them when they claim some teams are losing money. They are either money grubbing maggots, or they are not making as much as people think they are. I typically think people are not without morals, so I believe the latter….and I’m a happier person because of it.
“They are either money grubbing maggots, or they are not making as much as people think they are.”
could be both 🙂
It could be both.
I think the reds are a good example of it, in general. They spent a good amount of money a few years ago, then abruptly started cutting costs, for basically no return. Unless their owner is bipolar, it doesn’t make a ton of sense to operate that way, unless it really did become an issue.
The Angels are not going to trade Detmers or Bachman for him. They’d be fools to trade Canning. And why would the Reds want Barria or Suarez?
They didn’t get much for Gray. Don’t the Reds know good starting pitchers are worth a premium right now?
@Donny, when a team is COMMITTED to losing and shedding payroll, matters such as “the future” and “upside” simply don’t factor in.
As a Cards fan, seeing the Reds sputter out works for me.
Angels wtf. This was your guy for the taking
Why. Who were they going to trade for him?
Certainly the Halos have a high risk lottery ticket pitching prospect likely to blow his arm up too…
Castillo is next. To the Dodgers or Yankees
That’s what happens when you have an owner of a small market team who’s a cheapskate
The Ricketts are cheapsakes and are in the top 5 market. They quadrupled the value of the cubs in just under a decade. The last 3 years somehow they became broke.
Chasing the clouds away.
In NY it was crowds not clouds
WHAT
Wow, out of nowhere
uhhhh based?
i doubt this is shaking up the AL Central. MIN is still behind at least CHW.
White Sox
Tigers
Twins
SPIDERS
Royals
48 team MLB- wish I could like this comment twice
And 40 of them in the playoffs.
I think I’ll call them the Guardians from now on.
dougdeb
Royals
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Indians
Tigers
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KC going to surprise some people. Young arms and young talent on te field. Biggest weakness. Bullpen.
It’s one thing saying they’re a sleeper team, it’s another to say they will win the division over the White Sox
Probably, @48.
But: I can see the Twins jumping Detroit. I don’t see much of a gap, & I think MN will be more active than the Tigers. I like seeing the teams in the Upper Midwest being competitive.
I think KC will be better than people think.
They need more to go right in order to have a good season than the other teams in the Central. How I see it anyway.
I know that they have a lot of high ranked, big name prospects. But: that’s still all they are. Prospects.
Chicago is the class of the division. But I bet KC won’t finish in last place.
I put them there simply by default. You may very well be right.
Wow nice
NOOOO
Trading a for a rental after dealing assets like Berrios? Interesting strategy…
Sonny Gray is under contract for two seasons (assuming Twins pick up his 2023 option), so not a rental.
Team option at only 12 million.
Berrios didn’t want to extend with the Twins. I don’t understand why people can’t grasp facts.
wjf, It’s the same people that wonder why the Red Sox traded away Mookie Betts. They don’t get it.
Didn’t the Red Sox trade Betts to reset the CBT?
Halo, the Red Sox offered mookie a boatload of money. He was a great player and the Red Sox loved him. But he did not think it was enough and he was right because the Dodgers gave him heck of a lot more.
Yes the Red Sox made moves that year, mookie being the biggest, to get back below the tax penalty line. But my point is that mookie was not going to sign an extension in Boston no way no how. He literally said he wanted the test free agency.
I don’t think the Red Sox trade Betts if they are under the cap. I follow baseball, but I only know the Angels. I’m certainly not going to adamantly disagree with a Red Sox fan when it comes to the Red Sox.
You have to trade him if you know he’s going to walk.
I certainly don’t know everything about the Red Sox. And I’m wrong often. I see you here all the time and you know your stuff.
That’s not the point. The crux with the Twins’ decision-making is that Berrios was a key performer. If they were willing to trade Petty, a promising prospect, for an aging pitcher that will perform well for the next couple of years and then depart/decline, then why not hold onto Berrios and attempt a playoff push in 2022? Or if you don’t feel confident with your chances, then why trade for Gray in the first place?
It’s not that the trade is objectively bad for either side, it’s merely confounding from a strategic standpoint.
They saw that as an opportunity to upgrade their farm system by trading Berrios and acquire a similar pitcher, for the near future, for a lower amount of prospect capital. Not saying I agree with it but there’s the logic
again, 15 yr old…you do not get it….Berrios wanted to move on. why keep him and get less assets? you do realize, also, that Berrios is a tad overrated….and, a bit of a head case. wait til August.
Huge twins fan here, why is Berrios a head case?
Not really. They’re a team that has had some ups and downs the past couple years. They’re still trying to remain competitive, but not waste the value they could get in return for Berrios. They think there is more value in Gray + return for Berrios than they do in Berrios + Petty. You can disagree with their evaluation, but I can at least see what they’re thinking.
Tnope4 hours ago
They saw that as an opportunity to upgrade their farm system by trading Berrios and acquire a similar pitcher, for the near future, for a lower amount of prospect capital. Not saying I agree with it but there’s the logic
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I think that’s spot-on.
1-This is not going to be a l/t rebuild, more like a reset.
2-The difference between Berrios and Gray, imho, isn’t going to be that much. I’d bet real money they will get more WAR from Gray in two years than they would’ve for one year of Berrios. In exchange, they get Martin and SWR, and give up Petty. Win/win there, imo.
3-And if Gray ever gives them 3 good months, they will trade Gray for more than they gave up to get him.
The difference between Berrios and Gray is 5 years, about 40 IP per year and that one is entering his prime while the other is leaving his.
Berrios is a head case? Actually he is/was one of the most congenial, focused and hard working pitchers the Twins have EVER had. Watch him dominate with the Jays, and pitch until his late 30s at a high level.
Berrios never said he wouldn’t sign an extension with the Twins. The Twins simply failed to offer even close to the below market extension he got with the Jays. They could’ve kept him for this year and instead traded Maeda when he was healthy plus Pineda to get Austin Martin. Twins made a serious mistake and tried to put it on the player.
Pirates or Reds in last in NL Central?
Pirates are a AAA team
I’m not sure the pirates would finish in first place in any aaa division.
Pirates organization is pretty pathetic.
They aren’t even trying anymore but hey I’ll take the easy wins anyway against them
Reds
As of now, Pirates. If the Reds also swap Castillo or Mahle that may change.
Pirates but closer than a lot of people think.
shake up. LOL The twins are light years away from catching the White Sox. This makes them, what? Generously 10 games under . 500.
Yeah, I don’t know how shaken up the central will be. This probably secures a third place finish though
Wondering if the 2 additional playoff teams will give some teams false hope.
For sure it will, especially the first few years. Which is great for fans of teams with good front offices.
Thank you Twins
-brewer fans
Always pitched tough against us
You could still see him twice
Nice! Now the Yanks will have ample opportunity to stomp all over him during their annual pummeling of the Twins!
It’s Nick Lodolo time.
Pickles goes to the Twinkies. Just so glad he’s not a Yankee again. Congratulations Twinkies!!!
Is that an actual nick name for him?
Man I hope that means the Angels are in on Castillo or Mahle because Gray would have been a no brainer for the Halo rotation.
I would have been happy to see the Angels pick up IKF to play SS and Gray to slot behind Ohtani and maybe Thor.
I agree. The front office silence (again) has me a little concerned that they’re going to stand pat on the rotation and are going dumpster diving for SS or 2B (and move Fletcher to SS). Oye.
It’s not like I trust Perry but the Angels can’t be so stupid they enter season without a shortstop.
I think they are going to bring in Nick Ahmed but it’s a matter of how much salary Arizona will eat.
I would love to see the Angels pick up Ahmed. I’m not sure if it’s posturing or really the D-backs thinking, but Hazen reiterated again this morning in the AZ Republic that they are not rebuilding. Having said that, one of the D-backs top prospects, SS Geraralo Perdomo, should be ready this year making Ahmed expendable at some point.
Reds fans are going to have Bob’s head on a pike at this rate
More underwhelming packages coming to the Reds soon. This owner is a joke.
Seems they got a decent prospect in return, but he’s years from the bigs. Reds could have done worse, but they still managed to hose it up by including Peguero.
Just say it the Reds go hosed. I’m sure Castillo and Winker will be next for guys that won’t sniff the majors.
What a steal for the Twins.
Nice move by the Twins
They have a terrible ballpark and bad management, reds fans deserve better.
I personally love our park…
Management really sucks.
You like that ballpark…for baseball? I mean, a band box is a nice place to see…a band…but I like baseball to be baseball…not The Khoury League Softball Dinger Contest.
So I guess you consider Yankee stadium to be a bandbox too. And Minute Maid Park as well.
Gray can be replaced and the team can still be competitive. The true direction of the Reds will come when they decide who will replace Castellanos in right field.
The Reds are packing it in here. Even the Cubs are trying after their fire sale last summer.
Reds won’t be adding anyone. Best guess for RF is Tyler Naquin unless they dump him too.
Not an expert on Twins minor league system, but this seems like a a really lopsided trade just one minor leaguer for Gray? Wow dumped
Twins got him for really cheap. Reds really really loved that prospect. Too much love.
So, that’s over $40,000,000 cut from the budget and only 1 high school pitcher to show for it this off-season.
MLB Caliber players:
Nick- $16,000,000 TBD, (likely no return)
Tucker- $7,500,000 no return
Sonny- $10,166,667 19 year old pitcher
Wade- $10,000,000 no return
Should be traded/released, but still here:
Moose- $16, 000,000 (22), $18,000,000 (23), & $4,000,000 buyout (24)
Shogo- $8,000,000
Wish I didn’t buy a ticket package now.
But hey the secondary market will be on fire.
Ok, maybe not.
Sorry man.
What did you expect? They should have fired their weak gm but gave him a promotion instead.
Lmao at the the notion of this trade “shaking up both central divisions.” It’s more like a rare occurrence of two feeder teams coming together for a trade
I still view both teams about the same in division pecking order.
thanks Chaim
Petty’s not chopped liver, but seems a bit short for Sonny, especially with the dearth of pitching out there. Seems the Reds could have done better.
Compared to Gray he is chopped liver. What a bad trade package.
he s more like a cheesesteak with Cheezewhiz. Horrible return
this is a great move for the twinkies. go to postseason with him or sell him for more at the deadline.
Fans should demand Castellini reveal his profit/loss statement. If they trade Castillo Reds fans should boycott the team until we get a new owner. I’m sick of him building up, tearing down, building up, tearing down the team. Castellini and Khral must go.
Agree. I could rant further but I think my username says it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXO3hvES1nA
Wait…you can trade picks now? Is that new from the CBA agreement? I don’t think the 26th overall pick is a comp.
They didn’t. They traded a guy who was already drafted last summer, that being Chase Petty. I also was confused by the phrasing of the article for a second when I read it.
Ah, “the 26th overall selection in the 2021 Draft” — thanks for the correction.
I was thinking the same thing, wouldn’t this be the first trade involving picks?
2 years of Sonny Gray a 3.19 and 3.66 xfip the last two years for one Wildcard late first round High school pitcher is stupid! He has way more trade value than that.
I have defended the Reds FO up until today. The could have easily gotten a wildcard and another mlb pitcher to keep this 22′ team competitive, or don’t make the trade! This is not a trade a franchise with a future makes!
Vent over
if they got an MLB pitcher in return, the Reds might have to pay him something. I’m sure they preferred getting this outcome.
You defending that awful dodger trade and awful Moose signing?
wait you can trade non comp picks now?
It’s the pick from last year’s draft.
One prospect for Gray? Yikes. Cincinnati is going to be a disaster this year.
This is such a bizarre trade. On one hand the Reds are giving away Gray for so little. This return is objectively light.
On the other hand the Twins are also such an odd team to be acquiring Gray. They’ve traded away Berrios and Garver within the last year, I can’t tell if they’re rebuilding or competing or what.
They are trying to keep fans coming by pretending to be competitive
You get a pitcher that has shown TOR upside when you need pitching with multiple years of relatively inexpensive control and you’re not giving up much in prospect capital — they can easily flip if he performs well and improve the prospect return.
Buy low, sell high — keep the profits. Rinse-repeat. Rebuilding.
It’s not light at all. Petty is a big time prospect and Gray is a middle of the rotation type with two years of control. Fair trade.
Bad move 2026 bullpen prospect.
40+ =/= big time prospect.
Yep put out the idea of contention to the fans and if everything goes right it’s possible. But most likely they flip him for a prospect package more to their liking.
Castellini sux
Great move by the twins, honestly not sure why others were not offering similar/better offers. Two years at $22 mil total for a guy that has an excellent k rate and decent ground ball rate. Yeah he had some injury concerns, but what starter doesn’t these days. Outside of the year with the yanks he has been solid to all star when healthy. a steal for a late round first type prospect. Would have loved to see the Red Sox snag him instead.
I mean, they got the Twins first round draft pick from last year, who is very highly thought of.
Who also won’t be available until 2026 and is projected to be a bullpen arm.
Where do you see that he is very highly thought of?
Most first round picks are highly thought of. They don’t give pout 2.5 million dollar signing bonuses to just anyone.
At the draft, he was talked about as the best right handed high school arm in recent memory. (Not yet best pitcher, or he would have gone higher, but best arm.) Throws easy 101 with a whipping motion and pretty good command. Huge error bars for a guy like that, but prospects with legit ace upside don’t grow on trees. And Gray is just decent, let’s not exaggerate.
How can you make the post you just did and then say, “let’s not exaggerate”? If he has, “legit ace upside”. Looking at actual prospect evaluators describe him, none of them are anywhere close to as high on him as you are.
Fangraphs has him as a 40+ FV prospect, so I guess they disagree with you. First round picks are arguably highly thought of compared to the other members of their draft class, not prospects in general,. The 2.5 that he got was actually less than slot for that pick.
Is fangraphs totally off on him? I can’t find anything that actually supports your point, but for example, their grades on his command are 20/45, definitely not what you’d consider pretty good.
I always feel bad for Reds fans. Along with St. Louis, they seem to have great, great fans, and the organization continually does this. Baffling
You’re comparing the Reds’ organization to the Cards’? You, sir, are out of your mind.
hey you are correct. I wish my Reds was ran as well as the Cards are.
If you slow down and read my comment, you’ll see that the comment was about the fandom, not the organization
As far as passionate fans, yes I would definitely compare them. The Cardinals are a better organization, no question.
I’m a lifelong Astros fan, and I’ve always found cardinal fans and reds fans to be very passionate and well informed
After your explaining of your clunky phrasing, I get your meaning.
And no fans deserve what the Reds’ organization is doing to its fans.
I see what you are also saying now.
Though I admit, I can see how you deduced the slight against the Cards
I hate the Reds so much. #SellTheTeamBob
Scoop for Mlb Commish!
The Tigers should have made this deal.
Simple question that the Reds fans are owed, “Will you be making deals to improve the Reds this season?”
Response from the deads.
What? We want a payroll of $50.00 for the years.
For time I say.
Sell the team.
Wtf… and the Reds had to throw in someone else to sweeten the pot. Seriously… what are they doing!?
Are the Reds tanking for a reason? Number one pick in mlb is just not the same as nfl. Fielding a double AA team at mlb prices? Enough is enough
Grays salary a mere 10.7 million. How does anyone fix their lips to say that? Look at what free agency created. Billionaire owners and millionaire players. Whose paying for it?
Anyone that buys the MLB brand.
Great!! now work a deal for Manaea & will be set
That would set the Twins… at .500!
I was kind of excited about Petty. He has lots of promise but perhaps a long ways to go to achieve it. Getting Gray for him is worthwhile.
Twin City’s Ace.
Just yesterday Nick Krall, GM Reds, said the Reds were looking to address the following areas: backup catcher, bench bats, bullpen help, a 5th starter, does Petty address any of these areas? Heck NO, he lied to the fans! I’m sick of Castellini and Krall!!!
A plus for twins. See how they do and if not in it they could trade Gray for a better package than they gave up.
D plus for Reds. Huge upside but if he finds success it’s likely as a reliever. Not a F because he is a first round talent and could develop his change up and be a good starter. I think they could have found a better single prospect and more importantly and rhe reason for the D I think the twins would have still made this deal without giving them a prospect with Gray. Reds also probably would have done better going quantity over quality.
Unless he’s 3-11 at the 2022 trade deadline, the Twins could hardly flip Gray for less than they gave up.
Ahhh yes Angels once again doing next to nothing on the pitching front. Sonny Gray could have made a massive difference and slotted into their #2 spot. The fact that Twins only gave up their #7 prospect adds more insult to injury, just sell the team Arte!
There number 7 prospect was still a 2021 1st round pick. You willing to give up your 2021 first round pick for him to beat their offer?
The Angles picked 9th, the Twins 26th. Why are you acting like all 1st round picks are the same thing?
Where was acting like all 1st round picks are the same thing?
The return feels short. Gray is probably not as good as Bassitt, but it might be closer than people think, given that Oakland’s defense is a lot better than the Reds. And Gray has two years, as opposed to one for Bassitt.
And on the other side, I like Ginn better Petty, and Oller might be marginally useful out of the BP.
Twins got Gray dirt cheap.
If he has a better season than he did last year, they now have an outside shot at 80 wins.
I can’t tell if it is a fire sale or a dumpster fire
Should have traded Luis Castillo. Sonny Gray is actually a quality starter with shutout and high k ability. Twins did well.
Truly a sad and depressing time to be a Reds fan. At least the kids are fun to watch as they develop and then finally get traded to a team that actually wants to win yearly.