Willson Contreras generates the most public speculation among Cubs trade candidates with the deadline a week away, but teammate outfielder Ian Happ has emerged as one of the more in-demand names on the summer market, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports. That’s particularly notable when paired with Happ’s recent acknowledgment that the team has not approached him about a contract extension (link via Patrick Mooney of The Athletic).
Happ is “likely” to be traded within the next week, Passan writes, adding that some interested parties have approached the Cubs about package deals that would see one of Contreras or Happ traded alongside a reliever such as David Robertson or Mychal Givens. (Passan doesn’t specifically mention righty Chris Martin, though as a pending free agent, he’s surely available as well.) More interestingly, Dennis Lin of The Athletic wrote over the weekend that the Padres have expressed interest in adding both Contreras and Happ in the same trade, though the ask on that would surely be immense.
MLBTR’s Anthony Franco explored Happ’s career-best production earlier this month, observing that notable gains in Happ’s plate discipline profile have generated the strongest and most sustainable results of his six big league seasons. Happ has always drawn walks at a high clip, but his penchant for strikeouts has often suppressed his overall value at the plate.
Most notably, as Anthony wrote at the time, Happ has wildly improved upon his contact rates in 2022. His 62.6% contact rate on pitches off the plate is up ten full percentage points from 2021, and his 83.7% contact rate in pitches in the zone is up from 79.9% a year ago. Happ’s 75.9% overall contact rate is less than one percentage point below the league average. That may not sound all that impressive, but pair roughly average contact skills with Happ’s high-end walk rate (10.9%), above-average power and above-average speed, and Happ looks like an increasingly well-rounded player. The switch-hitting Happ has also posted substantially better numbers as a right-handed hitter this season than in years past, and while part of that is due to a sky-high .463 BABIP as a righty, he’s also cut his strikeout rate against left-handers by about six percentage points this year (down to 25.1%).
Defensively, opinions on Happ are going to be a bit more mixed. After bouncing around the diamond more earlier in his career, he’s settled in as Chicago’s left fielder this season, which is his best position. He’s logged 706 of his 718 defensive frames in left this season, with the other 12 coming via a few brief cameos in center. He’s been a scratch defender in 2022, per Statcast’s Outs Above Average, although both Defensive Runs Saved (+5) and Ultimate Zone Rating (+3.9) feel he’s been above-average.
It’s easy enough to see why Happ’s overall skill set would make him an appealing trade chip. He’s at least a solid defender in left — and a balanced switch-hitter with aa .282/.367/.445 batting line in 387 trips to the plate so far this season. His home run power hasn’t been up to previous levels — his nine long balls put him shy of pace to match last year’s career-high 25 — but Happ has already connected on a career-best 24 doubles and tacked on a couple of triples for good measure. Of even greater appeal, however, is the fact that Happ is controlled for an additional season beyond the current campaign.
Assuming Happ is indeed traded, whichever club acquires him can pencil him into left field both for the current postseason push and the entirety of the 2023 season. He’s earning $6.9MM this season and shouldn’t command much more than $10MM in 2023, which makes him affordable for the majority of clubs around the league. Happ also won’t even turn 28 until next month, meaning the former No. 9 overall draft pick is squarely in the typical prime of a hitter’s career.
Whether the Cubs will ultimately pursue the package offers reported by Passan or instead attempt to engineer standalone trades for all of their chips, of course, is entirely dependent on the strength of offers they receive. However, virtually every contender is looking to deepen its bullpen, so it’s only natural to think that a team with interest in Happ would take a two-birds-with-one-stone approach. Each of Robertson, Givens and Martin will be a free agent at season’s end, and each is in the midst of a fine season.
Robertson has drawn the most attention among Cubs relievers in early speculation — as is often the case for those in the vaunted closer role — thanks in large part to a pristine 1.83 ERA and 14 saves on the season. He’s earning a $3.5MM base salary, though he’s on pace to reach all of his incentives (including a $100K trade bonus), which would bring his total salary up to $5.1MM. Still, for a pitcher with his track record and a 31.4% strikeout rate, that’s a reasonable price to pay — even if this year’s 11.9% walk rate is a bit concerning.
The 32-year-old Givens is also earning $3.5MM, but his contract contains $1.25MM of incentives and a $1.5MM buyout on next year’s mutual option, so his ultimate price tag will fall more in the $5.5MM to $6MM range. He’s pitched a 2.79 ERA with a 29.1% strikeout rate and a similarly elevated 11.5% walk rate. Like Robertson, Givens has a long track record as a solid late-inning reliever with roots in the AL East (Orioles).
As for the 36-year-old Martin, his ERA has swelled to 4.50 after yielding five runs through his past 3 2/3 innings, but even looking past that recent slump, he’s touting a brilliant 37-to-4 K/BB ratio in 30 innings so far in 2022. He’s on a $2.5MM salary and probably won’t get the 60 appearances he needs to max out his incentives, but he’s likely to unlock either $400K or $500K of the available bonuses on his incentive-laden contract before becoming a free agent at season’s end.
skrockij89
Plays second base and outfield? This screams a Dipoto trade for Happ.
Steve Adams
He’s played 120 Major League innings there since 2017 (plus 134 in AAA in 2019) and has never handled the position particularly well. I doubt the Mariners or another club would view him as much more than an emergency option there.
itsmeheyhi
You’d think they would have to add more than just Dipoto to get it done, though.
Franco27
He’s terrible at 2nd. LF is by far, his best position.
Pads Fans
His only good position.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
@Davro hasn’t played 2nd in like 2 years. He shouldn’t play 2nd ever again. LF and CF suits him best.
For some reason I can’t reply to your comments
drasco036
Boo! He is the one guy the Cubs should absolutely extend.
Big whiffa
Naw. They are close to having the worst team/minor league system combo in all of baseball- get younger.
jade 2
Might want to recheck that minor league system.
User 163535993
Big Whiffa
All the Cubs farm teams are winning except Iowa which was raided by the Cubs and lost Robel Garcia who was great for Iowa before the Cubs let him go to Korea. Admit it, you are an idiot. Are you Jim Callis? You could certainly be twins.
junior25
Your comment is a Big Whiffa
Ya the Cubs suck, but they are trending to having a top 10 minor system again
Especially after the trade deadline when they will probably add a couple more top tier Prospects
diehardcubbie
Their minor league system is now highly thought of around the league. Including placing 4 in the top 100 and many evaluators believe when mid-season prospect rankings come out they will have 6-8 prospects in the top 100 and a top 5-7 system. They do need to add to the system but the Minor league system is very good right now. The Cubs have 13 players with an overall 50 rating in their system (MLB league average) only the Dodgers have more at 15. Don’t sleep on the system the Cubs currently have that is only going to get better at the Deadline. That being said they should trade Happ and Contreras. Both should net you a guy in the top 100. The system after the draft and after the deadline could jump into a top 3 system.
Eric Olson 2
Half of those top 100 prospects never meet those lofty expectations/hype.
I’d rather build a solid continuing winning like the Dodgers than the cheap total tear down the Cubs inflect on its fans every few years.
Pads Fans
No its not. The Cubs farm system was ranked 18th coming into the season. The only top prospect near the majors, Davis, struggled in AAA before having season ending back surgery.
Capi
And you think the Dodgers don’t use their farm system? Hhmmm… I wonder where Kershaw, Buehler, Urias, Bellinger, Seager, Lux and Will Smith came from…
Holy Cow!
It varies. Fangraphs has them at #6 right now.
Capi
They re-ranked the farm systems and they have improved over that… And fangraphs already has them as a top 10 system.
Mikel Grady
All you have to do is spend 1/2 billion dollars to be the dodgers . Owners want to make money as much or more then winning . Wrigley going crazy on a Sunday night while dodgers fans stroll in during 4th jnnimg and leave in the 7th. Since 1988 only one team between cubs and dodgers Has a 162 game World Series ring .
RyanD44
The Cubs are very “loaded” in the lower ranks of the minor leagues which is both good and bad. So many prospects fizzle out from those lower ranks into the upper ranks.. but at the same time, having good prospect depth, regardless of the level is important.
The Cubs don’t have much for “can’t-miss,” but depth is the key word. The Cubs have struggled to develop much of anything since Happ, and he’s not exactly a top player. Hoerner is good, but more of a role player than anything.
Capi
Wrong… Look at what Justin Steele, Keegan Thompson, PJ Higgins and Morel are doing.
Baseball Purist
Hoerner has risen to one of the top shortstops in the league. At second base he is even better, with future gold glove potential. He has the lowest strikeout percentage in the NL, and is hitting over .300 while also hitting with more authority (hrs and doubles).. To say Nico is a role player, shows you have not followed him at all this season and the progression that he has made. He is a guy that I would like the Cubs to extend NOW.
RyanD44
Man, I’m a Cubs fan and I understand why ppl hate delusional Cubs fans. People are way too biased. Morel, Higgins, Steele? If ONE of those guys is still on the Cubs in 2-3 years, I’d be surprised. They are stopgap players, and yes once in a while stopgap players become something, but stop acting like these are the players of the future. The Cubs did the same thing from 2011-2013.. How many of those players from the rebuilding years ended up on the 2016 roster? Rizzo?
Hoerner and Madrigal are the only 2 guys on this roster that you’ll see 2-3 years from now and not even they are sure things.
Stop being biased. It’s gross.
Capi
If you are indeed a Cubs fan then you are a very casual fan. I’ll give you Higgins but Steele and Morel had the prospect pedigree before they were called up, but… You wouldn’t know any of that because you are too clueless.
Then is your lack of baseball acumen, by your own theory, then guys like Julio Rodriguez, Adley Rustchman and Witt Jr are complete waste of roster spots and won’t be with their team in 2 or 3 years because you know, Morel is doing better than them.
revolver
RyanD44 Hoerner is way more than a “role” player. He’s already over 3 WAR. Top 3 defensive shortstop in the game according to most defensive metrics.
Rynoshield
Higgins is probably nothing. Maybe a backup catcher. Everyone knows that. Steele and Morel are solid major league players
Rynoshield
Everyone would love to have a team like the dodgers
CujoMarlin
“Our goal is sustained success.”
Ry.the.Stunner
Fully incorrect in terms of their minor league system. You must be confusing them with the White Sox.
Big whiffa
Wow. Thought I was way off for minute then I realized I was in dialog w cubs fans. Lolz.
You don’t have a prospect until a player hits AA. Only a wildcard of some variation. Look at Davis – excellent til he hit AA now he is all hype and no production. Your next 4 prospects are all under achieving below AA w a couple decent pitchers mixed in.
Combine that w a roster w all losses last year and that’ll soon be without Contreras and Happ. It’s not arguably the worst combo of minor system and bigs – it is the worst system.
Capi
Geez you got it backwards, you’re the one thats clueless. Maybe you should listen to Cubs fans so you can learn something.
Davis was struggling this season because of a back issue that ended up in surgery, it’s the only instance of poor production he’s had in his career and I believe he’s still only 22 and in AAA.
Big whiffa
Ok then. I’ll give u Davis as a future all star. Cubs still have worst combo of mlb and MiLB talent in all of baseball. They should be targeting 19 and 20 year olds on trades Bc they are several years away from competing.
MC Tim C
Keep digging that idiot hole big whiffa!
Baseball Purist
and Davis will also be back with the team in 2 weeks… So, apparently the back surgery was a success.
jade 2
Dear Big Whiffa, Fangraphs has the Cubs farm currently ranked #5. I know that doesn’t mean anything to a baseball genius like yourself, but people might get the wrong impression of your ability to comprehend reality with your analysis of the Cubs as having the “worst system”.
Perhaps you would like to try, “They could be better!” or you might find, “They are not the best!”, as a tad more accurate.
Notice if you find yourself scoffing at these suggestions, you might want to check and see if you are living under a bridge and enjoy giving goats a hard time.
CleaverGreene
No Cubs fan here. If the cubs got normal years out of Hendricks, Stroman and Wiley they would be at or over .500 right now.
bootsday29
Is big whiffs a White Sox fan?
drasco036
If Heyward wasn’t on this team they would be .500… I’m curious what the Cubs record is with him on the IL.
Truth be told, if they were getting any production out of first and second base they would be in pretty good shape as well. Schwindel did his best Brian LaHair act and Madrigal has just been flat out awful aside from his defense.
I’m curious how the Cubs move forward. Madrigal was an elite prospect and an excellent hitter in his sample size with the Sox and Horner has emerged as one of the better shortstops in the league.
CujoMarlin
That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever read .
CujoMarlin
The fact that not only did someone post it, but that 2 people on this planet also gave a thumbs up to the post about a good season from Stroman, Miley and Hendricks make the Cubs above .500 really tells us a lot about the world we live in.
16
lol, ignorant take – they are top 5 milb right now and after draft and trade deadline should be pushing top 3. Yes, the major league team is no good, but ignorant to lump the strong minor league system in that take.
Voice of Reason
Anyone who says the Cubs minor league system is down really isn’t following along.
cubbiesjz9
See, here’s the problem with your opinion. It’s wrong. I place a lot more trust into what experts think of the Cubs farm system than what you think. It is currently top 10-15 system. The product on the field next season will be far superior to what it is now. I’m sure you just want to rip the Cubs so, by all means, go right ahead.
revolver
You couldn’t be more wrong about their system.
Led Hoyer
The Cubs 4 best prospects are outfielders. It’s time to trade Happ. Extend Contreras!
drasco036
Cubs best four prospects are years away from the major leagues.
Led Hoyer
That’s not true. Davis is close and they already have Suzuki wrapped up for 5 years. Velazquez and Morel as well.
drasco036
Check Davis’s strike out rates and get back to me about how “close” he actually is.
Velazquez is a solid option as a fourth outfielder. Morel is a super utility guy that should stay in the grass and only hit the outfield out of need.
junior25
You are wrong Sir
Vazquez already up
Canario, PCA and Alcantara all have a chance to be called up at some point this yr or next
Cubs didnt waste time bringing Vasquez or Morel up from AA
Doubt the will if these kids keep on hitting like they are in the minors
Capi
Davis is in AAA and needs to be added to the 40 man roster before next season, so he’s a potential call up next year. That’s how close he is.
Then you have Canario, who is already on the 40 man roster and could be called up THIS season, Roederer in AA, Caissie, PCA, Pinango, they’re all around 1 and 2 years away.
If you go lower there’s Alcantara… Too many OF prospects coming up with Seiya in RF and Morel in CF.
Let’s see what excuse you make now.
Led Hoyer
He’s been in AAA all year. A high strikeout rate isn’t unique to Brennen Davis. He will get an mlb look sooner than later. Definitely not years away. PCA, Alcantara and Caissie will depend on how they hit next year. 2023/2024 definitely a possibility. Suzuki is locked into RF regardless and they have enough young talent to bridge the gap to some of these guys. Happ is under control for another year and probably can bring a decent haul. Sell high. Extend Contreras!
drasco036
Davis has been out all year and is rocking a 40% k rate. He isn’t “close” he was over matched all year in AAA. Unless two years to you is “close”
Canario is kind of in the same boat as Davis, he is hitting well right now, his batting average isn’t great.. his numbers at the moment are inflated due to a tremendous month of July. To suggest he is ml ready by next season would be highly aggressive.
It’s great to get excited about guys in single a but they are in single a. Pca, alcantara and caissie are all very young. 2024 is an aggressive estimation for any of them, 2025 is a lot more realistic.
Morel is -5 drs in cf already. He’s an infielder by trade, should be third base, possibly second and a back up short stop option.
Happ is a much better option at cf than morel, he’s a gold glove caliber corner outfielder… Davis is the only guy “close” and optimistically he could get a call up next season out of necessity but he isn’t close to being ml ready now and I imagine will be further set back having not played all year. We see what a year off has done to Madrigal.
Alcantara might be able to stay at cf, but the only true cf guy is PCA and I see three years at best for him.
The best bet would be to extend Happ since he can provide value at cf, corner outfield and DH. Unless of course someone is willing to pony up for him. Trading for happ, imo, has to net you a guy with a future value of 60 and other pieces or you’re dumb to trade him
drasco036
Well you lost any amount of credibility when you said he’s been in AAA all year… he’s been hurt since the first month… a month that he was terrible in. And no, a high strike out rate is not unique to Davis but 40% in AA and AAA makes wisdom look like Hoerner
Led Hoyer
There was literally just an article on yahoo saying he might see the mlb this year(brennen Davis). If not this year he will see the field next year. He isn’t years away
ChrisEnvy76
Except his strikeout rate has been linked to the back issue that he had to have surgery for. He has very few at-bats in the minor leagues, So, I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt on that. Davis was considered close at the start of the year, It was a foregone conclusion that he would be up this year at the MLB level.
Davis has only had 661 total minor league at bats. He progressed very quickly through the minors, but with 2020 being a year with no minor league games and his season cut short this year, he’s a wait-and-see.
drasco036
Brennan Davis? Really the same Brennan Davis that had season ending back surgery…. Tell me again what yahoo says
drasco036
Fans believed Davis was a forgone conclusion that Davis would be up. I don’t think people in the cubs organization. Fans and some writers based this conclusion off over all numbers at triple a but failed to look at the big picture. Davis played like he was shot out of a cannon for the first week but his final games he was horrendous, striking out in nearly half his at bats and not getting hits.
Based on that I’m pretty sure everyone in the cubs organization felt that he was just as likely to spend a year plus in aaa. I also think a baez approach with Davis may have been in the cards… get called up, strike out at a record pace for a couple weeks, get your dose of reality and get sent back down.
I’m sure his nerve issue didn’t help matters but I’m not ready to blame his swing and miss on his back.
Pads Fans
Davis had season ending back surgery in late May.
ChrisEnvy76
So you’re not ready to blame his swing and miss on his back, why? Because your back has nothing to do with your swing? I mean, come on.
Led Hoyer
According to an actual sports reporter he is returning this season. Literally google Brennen davis cubs. The article is 14 hours old. My word
Capi
Davis has barely played in AAA and his struggles were due to a back injury… He’s coming back in 2-3 weeks, so Davis getting the call next year is pretty reasonable.
Canario is already on the 40 man roster and an option was already burned, so him being called up this year or next is also reasonable.
PCA will be going to AA next year.. So that sets his time frame at 1 to 2 years, not 3 at best… You’re just making excuses.
Pads Fans
He hasn’t even started baseball activities yet. There is a difference between a player hoping he will return and that actually happening. No reason to rush him.
13 hours ago the Tribune reported Jared Banner, an actual team executive, as saying that the Cubs are pleased that his injury is less severe than expected and are hoping Davis will “see some game action in late August” in the Arizona Complex League.
That is a LONG way from being back in minor league action, let alone helping the Cubs. My word.
Led Hoyer
The article said there is a chance he could see mlb action. That’s all. He could have a setback, he could be hit by a bus, he could comeback and hit .120. If rehab goes well he could get a late call up. If not there is an extremely good chance he is in Wrigley next year. He’s a prospect, he could suck, zero guarantees. The point is he and their 3 other top prospects play the outfield. If there is an organizational strength it’s in the outfield. Happ is having an excellent year and under control for another year. He should bring back a decent prospect haul.
Capi
Davis is nearing games, he’ll be back playing in 2-3 weeks
RyanD44
Here’s something to think about: if the Cubs wanted Soto from the Nats, if they put everything on the table, could they even put together a better package to get him than the Padres, Yankees or other teams? What does that tell you about the Cubs farm system? They have no can’t miss prospects, which is sad, bc they have no can’t miss players on their team either. How does a big market team become so bad?
Capi
They could certainly beat a Yankees offer if they wanted to, but the Padres do have a better farm system.
Also, can’t miss prospects is not everything, the Cubs have one of the deepest farm systems in baseball.
revolver
No team has a can’t miss prospect you moron
Rynoshield
It wasn’t season ending. He’s expected to get about a month of ABs at AAA
drasco036
Contreras is as good as gone, I wouldn’t mind him as a primary DH and occasionally spelling Gomes but as far as a battery next year, I’ll take Gomes and Higgins.
Led Hoyer
That’s probably true but it’s an absolute mistake. Cubs have zero high end catching prospects and Gomes is pretty old. Contreras is in his prime right now having his best season ever. I wouldn’t try to sign him to a 7-8 year deal but 3-4 makes a lot of sense.
Capi
The Cubs need better defense than Contreras behind the plate, so maybe he resigns in the offseason, but he’s likely gone.
Fans need to learn how to move on.
ChrisEnvy76
CJML… “Cubs have zero high end catching prospects”. LOL. Do you not know who Miguel Amaya is? He was hurt and is now back on the AA roster for the moment. He is rated as the Cubs 12th best prospect right now, but was near the top before he was injured. You do not know what you are talking about.
Led Hoyer
Yes, he’s played about 25 games in the last 3 years.
ChrisEnvy76
Jesus, so you’re including a season in which there were no minor league games, and last season he had Tommy John surgery which the rehab bled into this year. Talk about ridiculous. Either way though, you’re tossing aside an elite catching prospect because he had to recover from a TJ surgery? That is hilarious. What a way to win an argument.
Led Hoyer
Dude. He’s literally hasn’t played since 2019. He’s the epitome of a dart throw. He has never been able to hit. You are apparently basing everything you are saying off his scouting reports from 2019? It would be great if he plays well and becomes a great catcher. He’s projecting as an mlb contributor, awesome.
drasco036
If I’m the Cubs, I’m not trading contreras just to trade him… there is no labor deal on the international draft which means qualifying offers remain in place. I have that in the back of my mind and unless someone wants to give me a package like the Yankees did for Rizzo, I keep Contreras and saddle him with a QO. Then I use that as leverage and tell him he will be the primary DH with Gomes and Higgins taking primary catching duties with Contreras getting just enough time behind the plate incase either yan or higs goes down.
ChrisEnvy76
Hmmm, well, he played in 2020 in the winter league and played last year before he was shut down and now he is playing again. What I am saying is all based off his current ranking, his current assessments, and his current abilities. He has always had raw power and elite defense.
Holy Cow!
Contreras will just reject the QO and get a deal better than Grandal got with the Sox.
drasco036
Higgins wasn’t an elite prospect and he’s been pretty good.
Gomes has a track record of developing pitching, that is why he was brought in by the new gm (who was with Gomes in Cleveland).
I wouldn’t trade contreras just to trade him, as I said, I would saddle a qo to him and use it as leverage. In Chicago however, I would say his days as primary backstop are done. He is the primary DH (assuming he re-signed) and give him one primary pitcher to work with.
I would view it as a luxury, have Gomes work a couple primary pitchers, Higgins the same and Contreras a guy as well.
Gomes was brought in to bridge Amaya… the cubs still have high hopes on him and they also have a couple younger guys in the pipeline.
As much as I don’t want to see happ go, because I think the best happ is yet to come, I would be pretty happy with Contreras at DH and spot starting behind the dish.
CujoMarlin
The only thing that matters is that he won the argument.
fisher40
Why? The Cubs are going nowhere this season and in the future. May as well trade him and get a prospect or 2. He’s an average player at best
nailz#4life
I have a perfect team for Happ and Givens to go to. How about Baltimore ……that would make a Suprise trade day deal
Jayme
They are apparently shopping Mancini
Captain Judge99
@drasco036- Of course the Cubs should extend him. My boi would great in Yankee pinstripes. Everson Pereira, Alexander Vargas, Randy Vasquez and Will Warren.
Catuli Carl
Poor Willson. Feel so bad for the guy. I really hope Jed actually tries to resign him this offseason.
User 3921286289
As always, we await developments.
stymeedone
Are we lowering our standards when we describe average play in LF “solid”? I would think passable is a better description. Happ could be described as someone who won’t hurt you in LF. I would like to see “solid” saved for someone who is well above average. I know. Its just semantics.
ChrisEnvy76
You obviously have no clue. If you have watched Happ in LF this year, he is at least average defensively. He is certainly better than “won’t hurt you”. It’s pathetic tripe like this coming from someone who is likely anti-cubs that make reading comments on this site not worth the time. Troll.
CujoMarlin
It is amazing how the Cubs have so great players and a great farm system and yet they had the worst record in their league about a week ago. It is obvious anyone who casts a doubt on any player or prospect is purely an ignorant hater. It is impossible that Cubs fans are overly optimistic on the quality of their team.
Jimbob 57
I don’t know what you have been watching or consider passable but Happ is way better in LF than almost all other everyday players on almost all contenders
Ry.the.Stunner
+9 DRS in LF in his career. Nothing earth shattering, but above average.
drasco036
The thing about that though is his inning totals just make up a little over an entire season in left, plus scratch those -2 from his rookie year and that’s 11 drs over a season which is pretty good no?
NMK 2
I wonder what type of package it would take to get Happ and Robertson. Have to imagine young talent/prospects for a rebuilding Cubs team, but how much can they actually command?
diehardcubbie
Happ alone with the production this season and controllable for another year should net a top 60 prospect by himself. Robertson is probably looking at someone who is a top 5 in a team’s system. Maybe someone right outside the top 100. Together they should get a top 40 or so, or if a team was desperate two guys between 60-100 and a really young guy or two that is high risk/high reward.
NMK 2
I wonder if your estimate is a touch high. Happ is eligible for a sizeable raise in arbitration (already at $6.85 mil) and controllable for just a single year, so I can’t imagine a team willing to part with a blue chip prospect. I’d also be concerned Robertson is an aberration at age 37 with an ERA and Hits per 9 at career lows compared to recent years.
Maybe a single top 100 prospect and one or two lesser pieces for both?
ChrisEnvy76
Happ is controllable for a year and a half. So, you have him for the rest of this season and next. If he is a good fit you also have a good chance to resign him. I don’t think his estimate is high at all.
Holy Cow!
Robertson would probably get a return similar to what the Cubs got for Chafin last season.
diehardcubbie
Robertson will get more than Chafin got. His experience closing games, success in big markets, and leadership will get him more than Chafin. Unlike years past there are not high leverage relievers on the market. There are no buyers for a closer this year, but plenty of teams looking for an 8th inning guy with experience, and Robertson fits the bill.
Holy Cow!
Maybe a little more, but I wouldn’t expect an overpay like they got for Kimbrel.
Pads Fans
Robertson is 37 yrs old, 6 years older than Chafin was when the Cubs traded him, and he is coming off Tommy John surgery and other health issues that cost him most of the last 3 seasons.. He has already been on the IL this season. You are going to be disappointed if you think the Cubs will get more than a mid-level prospect for him.
dadofdonnydownvote
I can definitely see the Yankees going after Happ/Robertson. (Cashman loves to reacquire his old guys). I can even see a blockbuster trade between the Cubs and Yankees by adding Contreras. That would really make the Yankees a good team. Initially I thought the Yankees would go hard after Soto but I think Cashman will get outbid by not including certain top prospects. I am guessing Soto to the Padres.
ChuckyNJ
Bombers have no need for Contreras or Happ. The bigger need is relievers unless the Yankees go bullpen-by-committee.
Captain Judge99
@ChuckyNJ- the Yankees don’t need Happ? Are you really sure? Smh
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The Yankees’ backstops are 6th in fWAR. The Cubs’ backstops are 7th. Contreras is better than Sanchez, but I’m not sure the Yankees want to go back to having a bad framer at the position when they’ve got two of the best now. On the other hand, the boost in offense might appeal to the front office enough for them to put up with the bad framing, especially if they think the league is going to go to computerized strike zones, nullifying the value of framing.
ChrisEnvy76
Happ is a decent player who has turned into a very good player this season. I just read somewhere this morning that the Cubs were talking about extending him. If they do not, they better get a great return on him. With above-average defense, speed, and power, and at only 27, he should be the most valuable trade chip they have. When you acquire prospects, you hope that at least one of them MIGHT turn into what Happ currently is.
tstats
Happ and DRob seems like the Yankees package if they were to get the cubs in a trade
Jayme
For Chapman and Torres?
kenly0
If the Cubs can get Hassell from the Padres. Send them Contreras, Happ, and Robertson.
CrikesAlready
The Padres will overpay for these two players, and they’ll be gone at the end of the season. Just like last year’s Padres acquisitions Jake Marisnick and Adam Frazier. Frazier was hitting so well until he hit San Diego. The curse of Preller.
Chemo850
That guy is by far the most mediocre GM in baseball. With all the guys he’s traded away for temporary or average players, he could acquired two superstars by now.
Brew’88
The Darvish trade was sweet for Pads so maybe Preller comes back for more
rondon
They have some pieces to build around. Depending on how developed the return on these trades are, I could see Hoyer possibly dropping big $$ for SS and pitching next year. Gonna be interesting to watch.
Capi
I keep reading about the Cubs going for a SS in the offseason, but Nico is just fine there.
diehardcubbie
Nico has been great at SS this season. I think he has had a fantastic defensive season there this season, but in the long run I feel he is an above average/well above average defender at SS. I think though at 2B he is an elite defender. If the Cubs could go out and sign one of the big name SS they add another big bat to the lineup and all of the big 4 are above average defenders (Bogarts doesn’t get the respect he deserves defensively, he has worked hard the past 3 years and has improved so much defensively from where he was). Also, Bogarts and Correa, if either are added, probably slide to 3B at some point in the next 2-3 seasons.
adkuchan
Nico is having a good season, but he needs to make it through healthy before he can be considered a long term answer anywhere. He has played well whenever he has played, unfortunately he has struggled to stay on the field.
rondon
Yep, he’s fine there but I think they want more power from the SS position. I think he’ll end up at 2nd base.
jhanley108
1/2 season of success and apparently Happ became Andre Dawson. Another 1st round pick that is well below average in all aspects of the game. Where was he when the team was kind of contending in 17,18,19? He was hitting .220 and unable to find a defensive position.
northsidecrossrifles
He’s literally never had a below average offensive season in his career by OPS+, yet you claim he’s “well below average in all aspects of the game”
Please do some research before commenting.
CujoMarlin
He is quite good at taking walks in his career. Otherwise, I would agree that he is unremarkable in all other aspects.
rondon
Apparently he’s not “unremarkable in all other aspects” or there wouldn’t be teams interested in trading for him.
CujoMarlin
Did he get traded?
dadofdonnydownvote
Nobody interested in Heyward? For real though I wasn’t happy when the Braves traded J-Hey but in the end the returns equaled Dansby Swanson. I still cannot believe the most homers J-Hey hit in a season was 27 with the Braves 10 years ago. The last 2 years it’s like he forgot how to hit a baseball altogether. When he first came up I thought he was going to be a superstar.
nottinghamforest13
He got paid.
nottinghamforest13
The Cubs are famous for having an allegedly loaded farm and nothing to show for it. Felix Pie, Corey Patterson, and Angel Pagan were supposed to be a dynastic combination for years to come.
Ry.the.Stunner
Yeah, their loaded farm from 2013-2015 definitely didn’t lead to anything special in 2016.
nottinghamforest13
That team was built via trades and free agency. Their farm was used as currency rather than sitting on a bunch of futures.
ChrisEnvy76
Yet another person that doesn’t have a clue. The Cubs system has produced plenty of big league talent. The 2016 team was not built around just trades and free agency. Baez, Bryant, Contreras, Hendricks, Schwarber, and others were all homegrown draftees of the Cubs. At this moment, the Cubs have Thompson, Steele, Morel, Velasquez, Contreras, Hendricks, Rivas, and many more on the MLB roster. You are clueless and liking your own comment isn’t fooling anyone.
Capi
Kris Bryant, Albert Almora, Willson Contreras, Kyle Schwarber… All of them part of the 2016 team produced by the farm.
Not to mention prospects acquired like Hendricks, Rizzo and Russell.
nottinghamforest13
Who can forget such Cubs draft luminaries as Jason Heyward, Dexter Fowler, Ben Zobrist, Miguel Montero, David Ross, Tommy La Stella, Jon Lester, Jake Arrieta, Kyle Hendricks, John Lackey, Jason Hammel, Trevor Cahill, and Aroldis Chapman.
You’re right. That team was entirely built through smart draft picks and internal development over trades and signings. My mistake.
ChrisEnvy76
Name a team post free agency that was entirely built by draft picks. What an asinine comment. Heyward was useless, Arrieta was a reclamation project, Hendricks was a trade, Cahill was literally nothing. You are grasping at straws and its super obvious. You’re honestly not even worth debating. This is the poorest excuse for an argument I’ve read on this site and that is saying something.
Capi
I never said it was entirely built through the draft, you nut… But you said it was built through trades and free agents. No team in baseball is entirely built through the farm system.
But the core, the main players, came from the farm system.
revolver
Hendricks was drafted by the Rangers.
CujoMarlin
All drafted at the top of the draft. When you tank, you’re ability to draft good players goes up. Drafting lower down is what separates the good from the bad. The Cubs have not demonstrated at all they can draft impactful players outside of the top 10.
rondon
nottinghater… You’re the one who said the team was built on free agency and trades. You were wrong and several commenters proved it. Man up or go away.
nottinghamforest13
Proved it how? Nearly the entire team came from outside the organization. The other posters yelled loudly, but they proved nothing.
nottinghamforest13
So you’re suggesting that the team had enough core players from within the system that they won without obtaining pitching help from outside the organization? All the main pitchers were in place?
nottinghamforest13
I’m grasping at straws in what way? You named four players who came from within. I named many more who came from without. You then didn’t enjoy that so you say the topic is no longer worth debating. You made a claim and can no longer back it up. You were defeated.
Capi
Geez… You’re reaching here… Those guys were was 3 front offices ago with different ownership and Angel Pagan was a Mets prospect, shows how little you know.
fathead0507
Braves could use Happ and Robertson.. they need another RH reliever .. and Happ is an upgrade in LF over Rosario/Ozuna
TheOpener
The crazy thing is that trading Trout wouldn’t do much for the Angels anymore, other than dropping salary. Not going to get a big return for a 31 year old, declining, fragile Mike Trout who is still owed $37 million per year through 2030. The time to trade him was before the 2020 season at the latest.
stretch123
Happ to Miami for Jake Eder, Peyton Burdick and one more mid level prospect such as McCambley. Who says No?
ChrisEnvy76
I wouldn’t do that trade. Eder hasn’t pitched in a year and is still recovering from TJ surgery and Burdick is hitting .236 in AAA. I have no idea why anyone would say yes.
Chemo850
Happ is too inconsistent. Either solid or very bad. I wouldnt trade Eder straight up for him.
ChrisEnvy76
LOL. The man is hitting .282 with a .367 OBP. He finally put it all together this year. No one is trading Happ for Eder, the guy is a crap shoot at best.
Chemo850
Yes, but Happ’s level of unpredictability makes he himself a crap shoot at best. The guy has had these types of stretches plenty of times in the past before usually reverting back to himself. This type of run isn’t anything new for him…..
CujoMarlin
Yes, no chance he will revert back to what he was for the first 1500 AB of his career. He’s figured it out. 100% certain.
hellsbells51
As I said when Suzuki signed, what a waste of a contract, the Cubs will be sellers at the trade deadline and Suzuki will waste his years in a Cubs uniform. He could have been helpful to the Padres and had some purpose. Now he’s wasting his years away on a rebuild team with all that pressure to perform, not a good intro to MLB. His agency failed him.
ChrisEnvy76
“waste his YEARS”? Do you think the Cubs will not be contending within a couple of years? That is comical.
hellsbells51
Not at all. Suzuki’s contract is five years, four years after this season. If the Cubs trade away Contreras and Happ, the Cubs will not rebound for another four years at best. Please enlighten us on how the Cubs will become a good team in that span.
ChrisEnvy76
Holy crap this site is full of nut jobs. Gomes is only a slight decrease in offense from Contreras and Higgins has shown he can hit at the MLB level. The loss of Contreras will not be nearly as large as you are trying to make it out to be. Happ has played well this year and thank god he has pulled his value up. All you have to do is look at where the Cubs are at right now. That is with Happ and Contreras. Many of the Cubs top prospects are outfielders. You want enlightenment on how they will compete in a year or two? Morel, Hoerner, Suzuki, Thompson, Steele, Sampson, and more will all still be here and they are solidifying their spots. The Cubs will have a TON of money to be spent. They could go out and get Judge/Benintendi, Rodon, Josh Bell, and others. They could spend another $135 million a year before pushing passed the luxury tax. It’s really not difficult to see how they’d do it.
Pads Fans
Talk about nut jobs. Gomes is 35 and has a .588 OPS and 63 OPS+. That is not a “slight decrease” in offense from Contreras’ .847 OPS and 137 OPS+. its night and day.
ChrisEnvy76
Ive seen your posts here “Pads Fans”… You’re ridiculous. Go check career stats and get back to me. You judge a guy from 160 at bats. LOL. Gomes more than makes up for Contreras’ offense with his game calling and defense.
CujoMarlin
Name a player in the Cubs organization that gives you confidence they will be contenders? ALl you have is hope. That’s fine, but it is way too boastful to spout confidence they are a lock for contention.
rondon
Name a current Pads player that has contributed to a Pad’s World Series. Oh that’s right.. None. At the rate your team is going I wouldn’t doubt the Cubs make a WS before the they do. Look down your nose at the Cubs all ya want, but so far your “talent rich” team has literally done squat.
CujoMarlin
I’m not a Padres fan. You just made my point for me. I agree the Padres need to prove it also, but they are much closer to doing that than anything the Cubs have going.
nottinghamforest13
It took them a century to compete the last time. Why should we believe that this will be any different? Just because you “feel” that it will? You “hope and pray” it will happen? Eddie Vedder is a terrible singer.
Capi
You know… Yu Darvish, the Padres’ ace avised Seiya to sign with the Cubs.
That’s how awesome the Padres organization is that their own ace is recruiting for other teams.
User 163535993
Absolutely true! I forgot about that. LMAO. A big thumbs up to you.
hellsbells51
You know Darvish is under the same agency as Suzuki, so we all don’t know the real story. It’s all speculation unless there’s proof from Seiya’s mouth that it was said. Is there an article out there that says Yu advised him? I know they met, but that doesn’t mean anything. The Cubs had the highest offer and I’m sure his agency advised him to take the biggest contract for their benefit and not his.
Capi
Oh… So I’m speculating based on some articles and interviews but you can for sure look into your crystal ball and say for sure that Seiya will waste his years with the Cubs.
That’s you’re argument? Give me a break and grow up.
CujoMarlin
You’re arguing the exact opposite. I think ot is easier to argue a bad will remain bad in the future, than to argue they will automatically be good.
rondon
Yes. In the Athletic and in the Chicago Tribune.
Pads Fans
Darvish did not advise Suzuki to sign with the Cubs. That is complete BS. He publicly tried to recruit him to the Padres and has said publicly that he spoke with him privately and tried to recruit him to sign with the Padres.
The Cubs offered him $15 million more than the Padres and Suzuki took the largest offer. Not too hard to figure that one out.
Padres top offer was 5/70. Cubs forked out 5/85
cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/padres-seiya-s…
Capi
Oh really? You might wanna look at this then:
nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/yu-darvishs-influence-c…
Pads Fans
You may want to actually READ that article. You do realize that those comments are from AFTER Suzuki signed, right?
You also missed Darvish’s tweet from that same article where he said “New Padre” in a photo with Suzuki.
Are all Cub’s fans truly delusional or is it just you?
Pads Fans
twitter.com/faridyu/status/1502473136201109505
rondon
Where is the article that says the Cubs twisted his arm to sign with them? And where does it say Darvish told him to NOT sign with the Cubs? Both he and Ohtani are on record as saying that Wrigley was a great place to play. Just quit boys. Just worry about when your team’s annual implosion will happen.
Pads Fans
Neither Happ nor Contreras put the Padres over the top in terms of overall on the field performance because neither is substantially better overall than the guys they would be replacing in the day lineup. So trading for both makes little sense from that standpoint.
Between the two they are making $16 million this season and the Padres are right up against the CBT threshold. So trading for both of them doesn’t make sense from a financial standpoint either.
So I am calling BS on that rumor of the Padres acquiring both in trade.
With the bat, Happ is better than Profar and miles better than Grisham has been this season, so trading for him and playing him in CF and occasionally LF does make sense.
Rather see the Padres trade for Soto and move Tatis to CF. The lineup then becomes fearsome, not just marginally better, and the defense becomes better too with Kim at SS, Tatis in CF, Soto in RF, and Myers/Profar in LF. Mazara becomes a bench bat and Grisham gets sent down to figure it out.
Holy Cow!
The Cubs will gladly pay the remainder of salaries this year for both Contreras and Happ in order to increase the prospect return. That’s what they did with Rizzo and Baez last year.
Pads Fans
You sure about that? You might want to read what Hoyer said.
Holy Cow!
Hoyer didn’t even use his entire budget this year.
Pads Fans
What does that have to do with Hoyer saying in an interview with the Tribune that the Cubs would not be paying salaries to trade away Contreras?
User 3921286289
As always, we await developments.
Holy Cow!
The Padres need help staying under the CBT. If they wanted Happ or Contreras, the Cubs would send cash and get a better prospect return than they would if they didn’t send cash.
This is what happened with the Yankees getting Rizzo, but they remained under the CBT limit. Also, the Cubs got PCA from the Mets by including cash and Trevor Williams along with Baez.
And thanks for your input, All. We can always count on you.
2toes
I know there’s been a lot of smoke about the cubs taking on Hosmer, but what about the cubs taking on Pomerantz?
Pom is owed 10m for 2023, but is on the 60 day IL, so he sounds like a way for pads to ahed salary and hrs a FA after 2023, so that lines up better with cubs payroll outlook, as the cubs only have 35m on books for 2024 (assuming Stroman opts out after 2023). Hosmer has an additional 2 years than Pom, at 13m/yr.
2023 is the last year for cubs having heyward, Kyle Hendricks, Stroman, and if cubs acquire pom, that might give the cubs 3 pitchers to trade at trade deadline in 2023, which should be their last year of trading off assets.
2024 only has like 35m on the books, so the team can add 230-250m in free agents to fill the holes that the farm system didn’t plug.
CNichols
@2toes I think the Padres are less willing to trade Pom because when healthy (which is rarely) he’s a really productive piece of the backend of their bullpen.
He threw a simulated game this week, so he probably still needs a rehab assignment, but they might be getting him back in a couple weeks, so his return to the roster almost functions like a trade deadline acquisition for a bullpen piece. I think they probably want to strengthen the backend of their pen, not trade from it, even if he is overpaid.
Mikel Grady
When was the last time a padres catcher threw a runner out ? Ops Happ and Contreras way better then who they are replacing
CujoMarlin
Bonito Santiago…from his knees.
CNichols
It gets more complicated the more parts you add to it, but the other thing the Cubs could do is take back Hosmer to cancel out some of the money and get more/better prospects. If they did Contreras + Happ for Hosmer and prospects, they’d have to be getting an absolute haul in order to eat that contract.
In my view that is typically where these trades fail for SD – when they want to dump a contract but get a return as well they traditionally haven’t been able to pull that off. Probably because they aren’t willing to pay what it takes. Would be interesting to see if they could pull it off though.
Steve Rogers
We already have Hosmer and his name is Heyward. The Cubs are not looking for reclamation projects anymore so good luck finding a taker.
bravesfan
He’s really a perfect fit for the Braves at the moment … like perfect
msqboxer
At the end of the day the Cubs have some valuable pieces to trade and the question will be do they trade for single A players with high ceilings but also low floors or actually get pieces that our a year away and will contribute in 2023-4?
rocky7
At the end of the day, another trade potential player who is commented on enough as if he was a GG defensively, and a Silver Slugger offensively……so a question….if he’s that good, then why would the Cubs, regardless of what they might be offered, willing to trade him…..shouldn’t they keep him and use him as a building block?
One way to look at it would be that the Cubs know that he’s pretty much league average in LF and offensively, while valuable as switch at the plate, is significantly better right handed than left and may not live up to his 22 offense next year and beyond…..he actually sounds a lot like Hicks on the Yankees (albeit probably able to stay healthy more ofter) but again slightly better than league average defensively with switch hitting skills, albeit better on one side of the plate offensively…..would anyone like to line up with Yankees on a trade?
Capi
That’s incorrect… The Cubs like him but have a surplus of talent that can play thr OF coming up and they’re already committed to Seiya Suzuki in RF and Morel can play CF or LF. They would presumably trade Happ because they can get some good talent in return and use the money he costs to fill another need. He’s a very good all around player and clubhouse guy.
revolver
Wrong. He is significantly better left handed than right , though he has improved from the right side this year
CenterWingPolitics
Stroman is actually the target teams should be calling about. His numbers outside of Wrigley are quite good, he’s controlled this year and next at minimum.
Aaron Sapoznik
A trade for switch-hitting OF Ian Happ and RP’s David Robertson or Mychal Givens would make a lot of sense for the White Sox. Potentially pending FA Lefty SP Drew Smyly would also make sense for the ChiSox. Smyly has a relatively cheap $4.25M contract this season with a $5.25M mutual option and $1M club buyout for 2023. Mutual options almost always result in a player becoming a free agent.
drasco036
I don’t think the White Sox have what the Cubs will be looking for in an Ian Happ trade. I think the Cubs are looking for a 55+ future value if they deal Happ. Add Robertson to the deal and forget about it.
CujoMarlin
Unless the Cubs throw in something, I think Happ goes for a lot less than people think. Sure, there is interest, but he isn’t that special and ultimately I think they get an underwhelming return.
CujoMarlin
I guess I was right for once.
Jack Buckley
My son, who’s a big White Sox fan, went to Wrigley last night for work, game was sold out, Monday Night against the Pirates, Cubs don’t care if they win or lose, Wrigley will be packed
Capi
I’m sure they do care… More money when you make the playoffs.
CujoMarlin
The local sports business journal reported last week that attendance is down over 10%, but sure tell yourself whatever makes you feel good.
Steve Rogers
We already have Hosmer and his name is Heyward. The Cubs are not looking for reclamation projects anymore so good luck finding a taker.
User 624265706
I really don’t want to see Happ traded. Contreras, yes, but Happ, no.