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Cardinals, Jordan Hicks Discussing Extension

By Anthony Franco | July 25, 2023 at 11:56pm CDT

The Cardinals are exploring a multi-year contract extension with closer Jordan Hicks, reports Katie Woo of the Athletic. Woo suggests there’s a good chance a deal can be finalized within the next day. An impending free agent, the hard-throwing righty profiles as one of the top bullpen trade candidates this summer. Obviously, an extension in advance of next Tuesday’s trade deadline would take him off the market.

Hicks, 27 in September, is amidst one of the better seasons of his career. He owns a 3.67 ERA across 41 2/3 innings in 40 appearances. He’s striking hitters out at a personal-best 31.2% rate while inducing grounders on a huge 58.2% of batted balls. Hicks and Twins’ star Jhoan Durán are the only relievers (minimum 30 innings) with a strikeout rate north of 30% and a ground-ball rate exceeding 55%.

That outlier combination of whiffs and grounders is built on velocity almost unmatched around the league. Hicks averages an eye-popping 100.5 MPH on the sinker that serves as his go-to offering. Only Durán and Aroldis Chapman throw harder.

Hicks hasn’t found the same level of success that Durán and Chapman have managed at their best, however. The St. Louis hurler has allowed just under four earned runs per nine innings over 219 1/3 career frames. That’s mostly a reflection of well below-average control. He’s walking just under 13% of opponents this season and has dished out free passes at a 13.2% clip for his career.

Various health concerns also undercut him for a while after a promising debut. Hicks combined for just 38 2/3 innings between 2019-21. He underwent Tommy John surgery midway through the ’19 season. Unlikely to return until the tail end of 2020 regardless, Hicks (who has Type 1 diabetes) opted out of playing that year because of COVID-19 concerns. He battled renewed elbow discomfort the next season and was limited to just 10 appearances. He missed a month between May and June last year because of a flexor issue in his forearm but has avoided the injured list this season.

Even with the health history and bouts of wildness, Hicks would be a sensible trade target for contenders seeking bullpen help. He’s a high-octane arm who has stepped back into a high-leverage role for St. Louis, picking up eight saves and six holds. The Cards clearly value him enough to consider keeping him around beyond this season, though it remains to be seen if a deal will get across the finish line. Woo unsurprisingly notes that the 45-56 club would very likely trade Hicks if they don’t reach an extension in the coming days.

To be clear, the dialogue with Hicks’ camp is not a sign that St. Louis is walking back its forthcoming sell off. Woo reiterates that the Cards plan to trade Jordan Montgomery and Jack Flaherty, as ESPN’s Jeff Passan wrote this morning. The Cardinals had not had any extension dialogue with Montgomery’s or Flaherty’s camps before the All-Star Break, Woo writes. Both starters are impending free agents.

Montgomery would be a lock to receive and reject a qualifying offer, so the Cards could at least ensure a compensatory draft choice if he departs as a free agent. They’re likely to receive a more compelling prospect package for one of the top starters available within the next few days, though. Flaherty is less likely to receive the QO (which Hicks also wouldn’t get), so the Cards likely wouldn’t get any compensation if those players were neither traded nor extended.

Additionally, Woo reports that the Cardinals are finding trade interest in each of Chris Stratton, Giovanny Gallegos and Ryan Helsley. Stratton is an obvious trade candidate as an impending free agent middle reliever. There’s less urgency to move the latter two arms, as both can stick around beyond this season. Gallegos is under contract for $5.5MM next year, while his deal has a $6.5MM club option for 2025. Helsley is eligible for arbitration through the ’25 season and making a modest $2.15MM this season.

It’s sensible for St. Louis to at least consider offers, although it’d be an odd time to move Helsley. Gallegos has had a sub-4.00 ERA in each of the past five seasons. He carries a 3.92 mark with slightly above-average strikeout and walk numbers in 41 1/3 innings this year.

Helsley, owner of a fastball that sits in the upper 90s, has a 3.20 ERA with a 32% strikeout percentage in 25 frames on the season. He’s been down since June 12 with a forearm strain and was just transferred to the 60-day injured list yesterday, officially ruling him out into the second week of August. Players on the IL can still be traded, so a deal is possible. Still, it stands to reason other clubs will be wary of offering a prospect package commensurate with Helsley’s peak value at a time when there’s notable health uncertainty.

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  1. BrettPhillips for Prezident

    2 years ago

    Does this guarantee that Helsley is on the move?

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    • Gwynning

      2 years ago

      Guarantee? No.

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    • DarkSide830

      2 years ago

      Why would it?

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      There is room in the pen for Helsley, Hicks and Gallegos. Had all 3 this year and the pen still needs help.

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      • Perksy

        2 years ago

        Hicks might throw 102, but the 3.6 era and 1.51 whip isn’t very pretty.

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          Hicks started the year off poorly like many Cardinals. Pretty sure he’s one of the best relievers available.

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        • Shady mapleworth

          2 years ago

          walker will be rookie of the year

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    • CardsnWolves

      2 years ago

      Helsley’s on the 60-day IL, he won’t be traded.

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      • BrettPhillips for Prezident

        2 years ago

        Forgot about that my bad

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          He *could* still be traded whilst on the IL. It requires Manfred approval and he would never veto a sensible trade. I highly doubt Helsley is changing uniforms in ’23 though.

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          Helsley is the closer but maybe if Hicks is signed long term we deal him eventually. But the Cardinals pen needs to add not subtract right now.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          > I highly doubt Helsley is
          > changing uniforms in ’23 though.

          Stinky.

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          That’s what clubhouse attendants are for.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          So you highly doubt Helsley is changing uniforms and that’s what clubhouse attendants are for.

          I knew I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

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      • Sid Bream Speed Demon

        2 years ago

        I hope he gets traded to the Braves so he can hear the tomahawk chant every home game.

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        • rondon

          2 years ago

          You mean that “chant” that sounds a lot like thousands of collectively constipated people grunting at the same time?

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        • asdfgh

          2 years ago

          You mean a racist champ who eh bigot. Go back under the boulder you crawled from under

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    • Captain-Judge99

      2 years ago

      Is that The Wild Jordan Hicks with the 102 miles per hour fastball?

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      • Gwynning

        2 years ago

        Cap, I could hit a dime at 60′ 6″… but if I could ever throw 102 then I would be conveniently wild all the time.

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  2. Little Stevie Janowsky

    2 years ago

    What a joke. He finally has a good few months after years of being terrible and the organization wants to extend him when he’s most in command. What is going on in this organization. Trade him. Restock on pitching prospects. Jesus

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    • solaris602

      2 years ago

      We really don’t wanna trade any of our guys. How do we avoid that without looking foolish. Extend them!!!! Yeah, it works, but you still look foolish.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        Its always good to sign injury prone pitchers to long term contracts. What could go wrong?!

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    • good vibes only

      2 years ago

      Agree 1000%. Mo fighting to keep his job. This is reason #103 he should be fired.

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  3. Cards78

    2 years ago

    Someone has to throw for the Cards. Might as well be him?

    Reply
  4. nottinghamforest13

    2 years ago

    Why would an extension take him off the market?

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      It’s pretty clear the idea is either extend him or trade him before Tuesday. Technically you could extend him then trade him but I don’t see that happening.

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      • nottinghamforest13

        2 years ago

        You may not see it happening, but there’s nothing to suggest it “obviously” takes him off the market as the author suggests.

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    • RunDMC

      2 years ago

      Exactly (i.e. Willson Contreras). Today he signs an extension. Tomorrow: Oli moves him to SS.

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    • mlb fan

      2 years ago

      It might possibly preclude a few lower revenue teams from being interested in a longer commitment. That being said, maybe a couple bigger market teams that want to contend in ’24/’25, may see an extension as no big obstacle.

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      • King of Cards

        2 years ago

        We aren’t working out an extension just to trade him. Cardinals dont think like that. It’s either sign him long term or trade him by the deadline. It makes sense.

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          “We aren’t working out an extension”… I believe you’re right, KOC, that negotiating strategy is used often and the threat of trade can sometimes give teams the upper hand in negotiating long term deals and that’s assuming the player wants to stay put by the way.

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    • iverbure

      2 years ago

      Teams don’t negotiate extensions with players and then turn around and trade them. They don’t do this because it sours the relationship with the agent who you’re inevitably going to do business with again. The Author is dismissing it because it would be so out of the ordinary it’s probably not worth talking about or asking the question unless you’re new to the game and don’t understand it.

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      • nottinghamforest13

        2 years ago

        Teams do this and it does happen. Perhaps you’re new to the game and haven’t come across the scenario. Perhaps you’re confusing the situation with teams signing a player in free agency and then attempting to trade said player.

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          Can you name numerous examples off the top of your head?

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        • nottinghamforest13

          2 years ago

          I don’t need to. I’m not the one insisting this never happens and having confusion about the concept. Feel free to look into the situation on your own time and become educated rather than request I do it for you.

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          That’s what I thought. It doesn’t ever happen. Not enough to suggest like it’s going to either. So just be quiet and quit thinking you know anything.

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          Can you name the most recent example of this happening? Lol

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        • nottinghamforest13

          2 years ago

          “I demand that you prove my case for me.”

          “No.”

          “A-ha! That proves my case.”

          Well done, Perry Mason. Well done.

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          So you can’t name a single example gotcha.

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          Padres did it recently; they extended a player (Peavy? Blum? The first time we had Pomeranz?) and shortly after traded him. I’m sorry, I can’t recall the exact player… but it happens. It wasn’t exactly a “cool” maneuver at the time, and the player was generally upset for a “moment” but… it happens. I hope somebody in later comments can help us reflect not just on this incident but perhaps others (that I’m also not remembering!!!)

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          Ok so we possibly have one occurrence of it possibility happening 8 years ago? But we aren’t sure.

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          Oh I’m sure it happened, I just unfortunately cannot recall the details. My keyword Google searches were coming up zeroes, too. My memory-based anecdotal evidence is far from convincing, I know… but my story is just one of many teams. It certainly doesn’t happen often or with any relative frequency. All the best, iverbure

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          It wasn’t any of those 3 players you listed by the way.

          This gets suggested in the chats all the time sign and trades. They just don’t happen in baseball for various reasons. And it’s not worth talking about. And when I can’t think examples then it doesn’t ever happen.

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          Yeah I guess it could happen but like you said not totally cool. Cardinals aren’t perfect but they typically don’t do that kind of stuff. Perhaps loyal to a fault if anything.

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          It just doesn’t make any sense. If they were going to trade the guy to team they would just grant them permission to talk extension ahead of time.

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          Oh and Gwynning that picture thing(avatar?) is awesome it makes me think of that episode where Randy is fighting Bat dad and that was hilarious. Sharon is like you know you don’t have to fight him and Randy’s just ignoring her lol the whole episode is hilarious.

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        • DarkSide830

          2 years ago

          rarely in the MLB tho

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          Sometimes one thing happens before another, and it did in *this* case. I’ll remember the player and mention it one day. Aloha all!

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          Like I said never.

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        • skeeps rob

          2 years ago

          It is impossible to prove it never happens since there are no examples. The burden of proof is on you and this is a clear attempt to avoid admitting you can’t since it never happens.

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          Feel free to list any recent examples anyone.

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        • L Francis Reves

          2 years ago

          Suffice it to say, that it HAS happened before. They’re right about that. Some teams won’t trade for the player, unless they sign.

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          Go ahead and list the examples.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          I love people who argue with no proof.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          His case is that it hasn’t happened. By not showing a single example of it happening (your case)…you are wrong.

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        • cardsfansince1973

          2 years ago

          Bronson Arroyo re-signed with the Red Sox in the winter of 2005 and then was traded to the Reds before Spring Training in 2006.

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    • Nacho Cheese

      2 years ago

      Tell me you don’t understand professional sports, without telling me you don’t understand professional sports.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        Just tell me you can’t name a single example, without telling me you can’t name a single example.

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  5. King of Cards

    2 years ago

    Seriously?

    I guess if the price is right. Pen help is a need one way or another. I imagine we are giving this a shot before trading him. If it’s a decent price sure I am all for it.

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  6. Edp007

    2 years ago

    Gotta cancel the wife’s subscription once and for all. She only reads the headlines.
    Again asks me if we can also discuss.

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    • Hemlock

      2 years ago

      > Gotta cancel the wife

      Can you Mute her? That works great here.

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  7. fre5hwind

    2 years ago

    Potentially? Maybe… Although in my opinion he might get moved.

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      Try to extend him if it doesn’t work you deal him

      This happens all the time.

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  8. Jrnomo100

    2 years ago

    Stratton would be alright too for a two years.

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  9. iH8PaperStraws

    2 years ago

    They need a lot of bullpen pieces for next year so going with the devil you know makes sense. It’s not like he’s going to cost a lot. But this also eliminates trade returns for him. They aren’t going to get the amount or quality of players they thought they were this trade dead line and they need a lot going into next year. To me, this all but seals the deal Goldschmidt will waive his NTC to go to a contender and they will trade him for some high upside arms that are projected for MLB in 2025 or 2026. Which is exactly the what they need to do. Realize 2024 isn’t going to be a winning season either and build a legit team for the future. tear it down!!!!

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    • Del Griffith

      2 years ago

      They’re not trading Goldy. He’s running the team bible club after Waino retires.

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      • iH8PaperStraws

        2 years ago

        That’s funny. Since Mikolis has multiple years left, he can pick that up.

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        • BradBaar

          2 years ago

          Mikolas isn’t a bible loving Christian, is he? I’ve never heard that before. I hope he is, but not aware of it.

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        • Del Griffith

          2 years ago

          Mikolas’ religion is fishing.

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  10. DonOsbourne

    2 years ago

    There is no plan. Hang on to everybody and wait for the big turnaround next year. Mo’s convinced he’s right, the plan just needs more time. These announcements get dumber and dumber. Taylor Motter looks ripe for an extension. Get it done Mo.

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  11. SupremeZeus

    2 years ago

    If you can consistently achieve mediocrity you’ve got that division on lockdown. Bow tie’s report card is littered with gentleman’s Cs. MLB needs to get rid of divisions.

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      2 years ago

      Put the large market teams in one division, the others in the other two. One wild card. You will most likely have two large matket and two small market fighting it out. Four teams, one champ. Quit giving everyone a participation trophy like the NBA.

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  12. CardsFan57

    2 years ago

    I support extending Hicks. The team needs pitching. Why not keep what you have?

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    • stymeedone

      2 years ago

      Ask Boston about Price. Ask Washington about Strasburgh. Colorado about Bard.

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      • CardsFan57

        2 years ago

        Ask the Cardinals about free agent relievers they’ve signed as free agents.

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  13. ohyeadam

    2 years ago

    Cardinals are only using the media as a tool to drive their prices. Oh we’re extending Hicks, better pony up. Oh all these guys are on the market, but don’t offer on O’Neil . Guessing neither hicks or O’Neil will be on their 26 beginning of 24

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  14. FrontOfficeStan

    2 years ago

    I don’t want to see a Hicks extension tbh. Sure, he’s had a decent season but it’s because he hasn’t felt as much pressure. When the pressure is on, he crumbles. His command is nonexistent. Extend him and intend to compete? Yikes. Get a prospect.

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  15. DonOsbourne

    2 years ago

    Tonight is the best version of Matz we have seen since he came to St. Louis. I think this is huge. If he can build off this performance, it has major long term implications.

    As for the rest of it, just hurry up and trade SOMEBODY. Get this party started. I’m tired of speculating/wishing.

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      2 years ago

      Cardinals are fine, they don’t need to trade anyone. Remember they like to go on long runs in August. Keep the faith!

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  16. rocknwell

    2 years ago

    TRADE WALKER!

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    • Cardsfan21

      2 years ago

      Any other great ideas?

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      • rocknwell

        2 years ago

        Nope. That’s my only one. Oh trade hicks too. That would be fine. But selling high on elite prospect status could be a huge win. The offense is otherwise very capable.

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  17. Murphy NFLD

    2 years ago

    I was to know cards fans if there was a time machine whould have rather not signed contreas and traded Nootbar for a package headlined by kirk/moreno/Jansen. The jays throwing in the odd piece or 2

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    • belkiolle

      2 years ago

      I would rather have not signed Contreras and just let Knizner/Herrera work it out this year. That was my stance before the Contreras signing and remains the same now.

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  18. Murphy NFLD

    2 years ago

    My thoughts are it fell apart cuz they could agree or didnt wanna trade nootbaar, right after cards sign wilson jays trades for there OFer.

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  19. oscar gamble

    2 years ago

    Why no extension talks with Montgomery? It seems that a team with starting pitcher problems would want to keep someone like a Montgomery? Cardinal fans do you have a different take?

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    • Jeremy320

      2 years ago

      There were. Talks were terminated by Montgomery.

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    • eatonculo

      2 years ago

      Montgomery has talked about wanting to stay in St. Louis, partly because his wife just restarted her business in town. However, Monty’s agent is Scott Boras. Boras wants all his clients to hit the free market. Of course, Boras works for Montgomery, not the other way around.

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  20. Jeremy320

    2 years ago

    This is like putting an expensive stereo in a POS car. Mo can not be this stupid.. This must be a ruse to increase his value before the trade deadline.

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  21. Troy Percival's iPad

    2 years ago

    I would love Montgomery in Boston, but I don’t think we have anything that the Cardinals want/could use

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    • Cardsfanatik redux

      2 years ago

      I don’t think so probably, Cardinal’s want pitching, Boston’s closest prospect might not even stick in the rotation. They’d be better off with the qualifying offer pick

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  22. aTouchOfSarcasm

    2 years ago

    Still need bullpen arms. I’d rather take a chance on Hicks that let him walk and replace him with yet another pitcher who throws 92 and gives up a run every other time he pitches. We’ve had to many “just a guy” arms for years now. Stuff like Hicks and Helsley have don’t come along every day.

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  23. meangreandancingmachine

    2 years ago

    Thank God the Cardinals keep losing or MO would convince himself and DeWitt to not sale off arms and to keep the same team for 2024, warts and all.

    Maybe they’ll extend Hicks into a starter? 😉

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    • solaris602

      2 years ago

      Exactly!!! I picture him on the phone with DeWitt saying, “Hey, we won last night! I’m thinking we keep this group together one more year at least – extend Goldy, Hicks, and maybe Montgomery and Flaherty. Got a good feeling about this, boss.”

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  24. acoss13

    2 years ago

    Trade him, he’s healthy and he’s been effective. His stock is at an all-time high. Get some pitching prospects that you so desperately need.

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  25. CJ81

    2 years ago

    can someone explain why a seller would work on an extension at this point? cant they trade the player, get prospects, and re-sign them? i get it may be a little more team friendly deal, but doesnt getting some prospects you want outweigh the savings? has anyone done some sort of analysis on estimated money saved on these types of deals? now cardinals are looking at extending flaherty too. solid #3-4, but why not get another teams #5-15 prospect and then resign him?

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