The Marlins and Twins have swapped right-handed relievers, with Dylan Floro heading to the Twins and Jorge López going to the Marlins, per an announcement from the Twins. Craig Mish of the Miami Herald reported the deal prior to the official announcement.
This appears to be something of a “change of scenery” deal on each end, as both pitchers are having poor results this year compared to their previous bodies of work. López, 30, had been a fairly mediocre starter for many years but thrived in a move to the bullpen with the Orioles last year. He tossed 48 1/3 innings with a 1.68 earned run average, striking out 27.6% of opponents while walking 8.7% and getting grounders on 60% of balls in play.
The O’s still had two and a half years of club control over López at last year’s deadline but decided to sell high, flipping him to the Twins for four young pitchers. That was a questionable move at the time from Baltimore’s perspective since they were above .500 and flirting with contention, yet traded away one of their most effective relievers. But in retrospect, it looks like a big win for the Orioles since one of the four pitchers they got back was Yennier Cano, who’s having a breakout season with a 1.82 ERA through 44 appearances this year.
López, meanwhile, has not been able to maintain his own Baltimore breakout. After the deal last year, he had a 4.37 ERA for the Twins, with all of his peripherals moving in the wrong direction. Things have gotten even worse here in 2023, as has a 5.09 ERA through 35 1/3 innings. His 7.1% walk rate is fine and his 48.6% grounder rate is still solid, but he’s only getting strikeouts at a 17.4% rate. The long ball has also become a problem, as he’s let seven go over the fence already this season after just four last year.
He can still be retained via arbitration for another season but it seems the Twins didn’t have much faith in getting him back on track, as they’ve now swapped him for another struggling reliever, but one who is an impending free agent.
Floro, 32, had a 3.15 career ERA coming into this year, working exclusively as a reliever for the Rays, Cubs, Reds, Dodgers and Marlins. In 277 1/3 innings prior to this year, he struck out 21.2% of opponents, walked 7.5% and kept the ball on the ground at a 51.1% clip. That even included some high-leverage work, as he notched double-digit saves with the Fish in each of the past two seasons.
The results haven’t been as good here in 2023, as his ERA has jumped up to 4.54. It’s possible there’s some bad luck to blame, as his peripherals are actually better than his career marks. He’s striking out 24% of hitters, walking just 6.4% and keeping the ball in the dirt 55.1% of the time. His 2.78 FIP and 3.15 SIERA suggest he’s actually been pretty close to the pitcher he’s always been, with a .397 batting average on balls in play and 62.9% strand rate pushing some extra runs across this year.
Both clubs are contenders this year. The Twins 54-50 and currently hold a two-game lead over the Guardians in the AL Central. The Marlins, meanwhile, are 55-48 and half a game back in the NL Wild Card race. It seems each club feels they can get more out of their new pitcher than they were getting from the old one.
Financially, there’s not a huge difference between the two, though López has an extra year of control. Floro is making $3.9MM this year and is slated for the open market in a few months. López is making $3.525MM and can be retained via arbitration for next year.
It’s been speculated by many observers that this year’s trade deadline might be unique, with the expanded playoffs and some tight divisional races making few clearcut sellers. It’s been suggested that this summer might see more “baseball trades” wherein two contenders swap win-now pieces. This appears to be one such example, with each club relinquishing a struggling reliever in order to take a shot on a different one.
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Twins are terrible at trades
Please explain why this is a bad trade
The Pablo Lopez, Tyler Mahle, and giving up Yennier Cano for Jorge Lopez trade is the reason for calling them terrible at making trades.
Well now they gave up Yennier Cano for Dylan Floro.
Pablo Lopez was a good trade. Arraez isn’t useful long term.
refereemn77;
Yes.
Arraez will be 27 years-old next year and has had a sub-standard batting line of: .327 / .384 / .422 / .806 over his 5 year MLB career.
Anyone that knows anything about baseball knows that this guy is on borrowed time. Heck, there must be hundreds out there like him.
Man, those dime-a-dozen guys like Luis Arraez have no future. Why do people make a big deal about guys that get 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 hits a game? Getting hits over and over and over again is the most overrated skill in MLB.
Yes, just look at all those dime a dozen players hitting for higher averages! He’s only hitting .370! He would be ashamed of himself.
I would like to suggest that maybe, just maybe, batting average should be weighted heavier now that its a skill in short supply.
Yep, Twins have already won that one hands down. Arraez is a super fun player, just like Ichiro… Unfortunately that’s ichiro at the very end of his career when he no longer could play defense and had no speed. Or you could say he’s like Kraft cheese: lots of plain singles and nothing else
@stymeedone
Don’t you know that a guy like Arraez is garbage. A guy like Brandon Nimmo is what you really want – a guy that walks. Walks are greater than hits! Batting average is overrated. They should abolish it because it has no use. Look how Nimmo impacts a team far more than Luis Arraez impacts a team.
All those hits are a waste of energy. He’d be better off drawing walks, those are more important in today’s game. You don’t want to risk a runner going too far on the basepaths after a hit and get thrown out. Always better to play it safe.
Yep! Base-to-base baseball hoping for 4 walks to score a run is the way to win today!
Marlins should call the Mets to find out what glue do they put on Nimmo’s shoulders and what prayers he says to get those walks. They can make Arraez do them so he stops swinging and pitchers start missing the strikezone.
Totally! People who still think “hits” mean anything in today’s game need to take a course on 21st Century Baseball for Dummies. SMH! I’ll even teach the course for 50% off my normal rates for any MLBTR still stuck calculating SLG on their 10-key desk calculator.
I’m starting to think that some posters are taking the sarcasm of me and others seriously.
give them credit on Cano- career minor league guy whom i am betting some random pitching coach saw something no one else had seen. Even when the trade happened, i think it was McDermott was the big get. Cano was like the 3rd or 4th guy in the trade. AS an Os fan it took me a few weeks into the season to realize that we got Cano in that trade.
I would also not have been shocked if cano would have been a boring rule 5 guy if not for that trade.
I’m serious, Fish lost that trade by a mile.
Arraez is garbage.
Hey @Mjm117, agreed! You would be pround of me though because I’m teaching Kim Ng how to make trades.
Tonight I acquired from a Cards fan DeJong for a box of popcorn.
A few days ago, I acquired Starling Marte from a Mets fan straight up for Avi Garcia.
We both know how we love those trade suggestion deals, so I figured you’d like these.
But if you don’t like them, I can go with one of your favorites and maybe trade Edward Cabrera, Eury Perez Luis Arraez, Sandy Alcantara, and Bryan De La Cruz for something like Josh Donaldson or Brett Baty or Triston Casas.
Pablo Lopez for Arraez is a fair trade. Arraez is hitting over his head.- this is almost certainly going to be his highest batting average. He’s the worst 2B in baseball and is headed for a 1B/DH role where a lower BA with no pop won’t play as well. The Twins got a #2 starting pitcher who they extended at a team-friendly price. If anything Twins win that.
Not a single person looking at the Lopez trade ever said “They’re going to regret giving up Cano”. He was a journeyman who never put it together and was 29. Sometimes lettery tickets hit, that doesn’t make it a good investment strategy.
@MarlinsFanBase
I see you’re finally inclined to be more realistic. Mets, nor any team for that matter, would ever accept that trade it includes salary to offset all those players current year and future salaries plus all of the Marlins future international pool money (in a Bobby Bo esque time deal) until 2073.
Only fair
Um, Arraez has actually played solid defense for the Marlins. At the beginning, he as a little shaky for the first couple of weeks, but since, he has been very solid – even pretty good. With the hitting, he’s a young player that has always shown he can hit. He looks like he’s entering what will be his prime years. While he may drop in average a little, I can easily see him putting upyears where he competes for more batting titles – this year well on his way to his second straight. Anyone seeing him hit can see that is the one thing he can do outstandingly. The kid can flat out hit basehits. And from what I’ve seen every Marlins game, he very likely continues playing solid defense at 2B and stays there for the bulk of the rest of hi career.
The only bad trade in that list is the Mahle trade and that’s only because Mahle got hurt. If Mahle was healthy and pitching the way he was, it wouldn’t have been that bad or bad at all depending on personal opinion
I’m still not sold on Cano. He’s had maybe two good months. Nothing to get worked up over.
Supposedly Lopez’ kid is not doing well health-wise, including last year. Not sure if this is true, but I saw someone say his kid needs a transplant.
If that’s true, that’s a big thing to have on your mind for a year plus. I don’t blame him if his mind is not on baseball while playing baseball (if that’s the case)
Arg, not sure why this replied up here instead of to the comment I replied to
Except we traded for our entire rotation which os the best in baseball
@bigben Was that a joke ?
What rock you been under? We’ve had the best team era most of the year
Joe Ryan and Pablo Lopez 4+ era
If you remove the team’s very good April from their stats, the Twins SP is still a top 5 rotation since May 1
1st in K%
1st in K-BB%
6th in BA against
1st in IP
4th in WHIP
8th in ERA
2nd in FIP
5th in xFIP
3rd in SIERA
1st in LD% (meaning they give up the least)
26 teams have an ERA of 4 or worse since May 1. That’s just how the league is. Do I want Ryan and Lopez specifically to be better than they have lately? Absolutely but they’ve also been unlucky by a half to a full run depending upon which stat and date range you look at (June to now is closer to a full run better than ERA suggests)
giantsfan25;
That’s because real MLB trades are not rotisserie league – they’re about real players that come to another organization and work literally daily with real human coaches. Those coaches are employed by an organization and are paid to follow guidelines – as we all are when working for an organization.
A few years ago the Twins lost their pitching coach. He was quite good. He quit to go back to a college that paid him something like $100k extra in salary. The Twins wouldn’t match the salary. Fine.
They spent $5.45m on Jorge López’s salary. Their coaches had no idea how to keep his pitching in line. They gave 87 year-old Carlos Correa (who I like) a 6-year $200m contract. But they don’t have money for a decent FO and coaching staff.
In MLB today you have to develop your own players that are under contract. No matter what age they are or how much experience they’ve had. It’s like learning as a human being – a person stops learning, they stop growing.
This is not rotisserie league where you trade one players statistics for another players statistics. There are human beings involved here. I know from observing that the Twins don’t have much of an organization. What I don’t know is what part of that is the caliber of the FO personnel, the direction or interference of the ownership group, or what combination of both. But I do know that the lack of developing their players under contract starts there.
The sad thing about the Twins and the 2023 season is that they’re probably win the AL Central division title – the worst division in recent memory. This will fool those involved to think the organization trajectory is good. It’s not….and I will write the same if the Guardians somehow limp home with the title in 2023. So far, the Tigers FO appears to have a clue.
Well, the Twins FO came from the Guardians FO. Do you think the world series year was a fluke for the Guardians FO?
you are so right…. I would bet the rays, pirates and Os (all low payroll teams) spend money in a smart way that includes top flight coaching and training. An elite pitching coach may cost a million per year, but if they can turn a Lopez or Cano into an all star for a single season while paying the player garbage, that coach just saved you 4-5 million each time that happens.
They also do not turn just a single player around, they do something for every single pitcher on that roster. The Os have gotten the best out of virtually every pitcher on that roster this year- they are worth millions this year to that club.
The Twins were not given the chance to match the salary. He went to a place that meant he travelled way less and got to spend time with his family. If you’re going to quote this as evidence, at least get it right.
P.S. The idea that the Tigers FO is the best in the division is the only thing we need to know to dismiss your opinion.
The Twins should have gazumped the college offer. There’s no way they should have let a top-flight pitching coach get away, whatever it costs.
Twins are panicking as Guardians close in.
Another Wednesday, another Samuel lecture about how a trade in real life is not the same as a trade in Rotisserie Baseball.
Best thing I ever did was deleting the Trade rumors app and just using the webpage on my phone. Now I don’t have to see those repeated condescending posts (that often turn out to be wrong) any time one of his favorite 15 teams makes a transaction.
Lol 3 great posts in a row.
I agree Samuel’s posts are an auto skip. Nobody has time to read those novels
He’s got to get his paragraphs in.
Too many guys with the last name Lopez and Castillo. I keep thinking there is a real trade but then I realize it’s not.
I sure hope some legit trades are made here soon.
I’d said Lopez for Floro is decently noteworthy. However, they are both relievers
Noteworthy as in worth reporting I suppose. 2 middle inning, low leverage relievers with little team control making under $5MM isn’t exactly a stunner, haha.
The stove is hot!
is it December?
Why would the twins do this? They get basically the same reliever for one less year of control
Because they were going to non tender Lopez this off-season. He was going to cost ~6MM and they have no idea how to fix him. I hope Miami doesn’t either and he ends up on waivers.
The O’s got him squared away. Wouldn’t mind seeing him comeback.
Lopez isn’t going to cost anybody $6MM. Even if he rights the ship at this point, the most he’s going to get is $2MM or so. If he is tendered a contract to avoid arbitration, it’d probably be like $3.25MM. His salary likely won’t go up, and in theory, could drop by as much as 20%, which he would jump at if offered.
Martras I could be wrong, but I don’t think guys salaries ever drop in arbitration. Certainly not by 20%.
I recall a couple years ago someone with 6 era getting a raise in arb. It was very minuscule
I thought he was making 4.8MM this year. That’ll explain the difference. I think his salary will go up in arbitration. He may come to an agreement outside of that though.
In hindsight the Orioles managed that asset last year perfectly. Sold high a RP they believed to be pitching over his head and got back a stud RP for this year’s team. I dunno if Cano can replicate this year success for future years but they’ve got 5 more years of control.
I’d be very wary of acquiring controllable RP and giving up significant assets. Just based on the volatility of the position year to year. Especially given how many RP are available every year, even if you don’t shop in the high expensive aisle.
Because Floro has pretty good peripherals despite his mediocre results, and maybe a change of scenery helps him, while López gives the Marlins some bullpen depth for next season since Floro is an impending free agent. Twins hoping they get better out of the pen while Marlins score some pen depth for next season at the cost of a reliever who hasn’t had great bottom line results. Not a significant trade by any means, but makes sense for both sides.
No Soup…What difference does it make if he has good peripherals if he has mediocre results? If he has mediocre results, he’s mediocre.
It depends on why you think the FIP and actuals are so far apart. Maybe MN thinks the FLA infielders are terrible and their guys can back him up better. Who knows, but they thought it was worth the shot.
Maybe the Twins coaching staff or scouts see something fixable that the Marlins do not that result in him pitching better down the stretch, something that happens fairly frequently (just ask the Rays)? Maybe they feel it’s bad luck related (.397 BABIP despite decent contact numbers) and that his results will improve down the stretch naturally? Maybe it’s because even with his mediocre results he’s still better than Lopez? Maybe you could use your brain and figure this out yourself?
I think FIP and actuals vary because one is a made up estimation with flaws, and the other is reality. FIP assumes no fielding, which will never be reality. It favors K’s, and less on pitching.
I think mostly they know that Miami has been playing that little DH named Arraez in the middle infield! That’s probably added at least a run to his ERA and 100 points of BABIP.
Well said and good notes.
Floro’s problem is mental in high-leverage situations. All you have to watch his body language and facial expressions in low-leverage situations versus high-leverage situations. Floro, like Anthony Bass, Yimi Garcia, Steve Okert, Tanner Scott and all the guys that have failed the Marlins the previous two years in Closing opporunities implode before they even hit the mound.
With Floro, when he’s on the verge of imploding, he starts rubbing the ball more tightly, he starts staring into the stands with concerned eyes, and he starts cleaning his cleats aggressively. Then he starts trying to pick the corners while trying to make sure he doesn’t make a mistake, so he ends up missing strikes well outside (like a foot or two) since his pitches do have break.
Good luck Twins! You’re gonna need it with Floro in those close games.
That was such an insightful post on Floro
The Twins don’t need floro to pitch in high leverage.
Duh
The twins gave up a combined 7 players for Lopez and Tyler Mahle. Let’s check in on them…
•Spencer Steer and CES: hitting great for first place Cincinatti
•Steve Hajjar: Traded for Will Benson, but he’s also looking solid
•Yennier Cano: Top 5 reliever this season
•And various other prospects having solid seasons…
And all they got was a few starts of Mahle, and a below replacement reliever out of Lopez. Yikes.
Are you thinking of Pablo Lopez instead of Jorge Lopez?
He’s thinking Jorge. They gave the orioles their current #1 pitching prospect (with G-Rod’s graduation and DL Hall’s slide) along with cano and 2 others at the deadline last year.
No, that was a DIFFERENT terrible trade.
I hope for their fans’ sake Falvey has learned the value of homegrown talent. They would not be holding the division without guys like Ober, Duran and Julien.
The reds aren’t in 1st place.
And Ober, Duran and Julien aren’t on the team either so idk where you’re getting the Reds from.
They also traded four 3B, Steer, CES, Urshela and Arraez, within the last year. Then haven’t gotten any production at 3B until Royce Lewis came back
Brent Rooker, Lamonte Wade Jr, Tyler Wells, Akil Baddoo, Prelander Berroa, Jose Berrios, Brusdar Graterol, Ryan Presley, Nick Anderson, all entered the room to say “Hi, remember me?” Luis Gil, Huascar Ynoa, Teng Kai-wei are in the hallway waiting to get in.
Arraez does not play 3B. Urshela was below average before he got hurt. You’re a joke.
What’s your beef with the Mahle trade? That he got injured? Because that’s not really how any front office looks at it.
Steer’s the beef
@refereemn77 – The general consensus is Tyler Mahle was hurt when the Twins traded for him and the Twins failed to do their due diligence to identify the arm issue(s). The Twins gave up a lot for Mahle, expecting him to be able to pitch deep into games and perform better away from Great American Ballpark. Mahle didn’t pitch better, didn’t pitch deep and was hurt almost immediately.
The Twins’ front office has a pretty long history of ignoring arm issues when trading for pitching which adds to the speculation they were just incompetent rather than misfortunate.
Tyler Mahle’s ERA was almost a full run better with the Twins than with the Reds. Not sure he pitched as terrible as you’re making it seem.
@ZeusMacalester – FIP doesn’t matter. Results matter. Ask any fan, any team’s front office.
Would you rather have a pitching staff with a 3.00 ERA and a 5.00 FIP or a pitching staff with a 5.00 ERA and a 3.00 FIP and the answer will be the low ERA.
I like it!
Heat up stove! By all means do heat up!
Damn thought it was Pablo
Open the flood gates and bring on the trades!
Overall, Marlins got the better return to me
I agree. The garbage we got is 2 years younger than the garbage we gave up.
I prefer a fine aged garbage
Wine becomes fine with time; not garbage. It just stinks more and attracts rats and flies.
But I clicked my mouse on him and it says he gets grounders.
GIGO.
I don’t like this trade for either side…
Things are finally starting to heat up, how much longer before something interesting happens?
When Floro got the news, he probably said “Puk this”!
And the Marlins SPs and starting lineup said, “Good riddance. Couldn’t you take Tanner Scott with you?”
Oh, oh, oh! I can do this narrative and dialogue.
“I’ll give you my implosive reliever who can’t handle high-leverage situations for your implosive reliever who can’t handle high-leverage situations.”
“Deal!”
Anyone can decide who they prefer saying each line because it’s very likely the same either way.
Don’t want to sound too stupid but with all of the relievers trading hands, where is jeremy Jeffress, among others? I feel he would fit well in a bullpen, or has something happened to him other than age?
Watching Dodgers v. Blue Jays on MLB Network right now and the ticker bug has “Marlins Acquire Pablo López from Twins for Dylan Floro”. This makes more sense.
lol!
Wow. Im amazed they got that wrong. MLB.COM says Jorge Lopez. Arent they basically two parts of the same organization? Right hand/left hand lack of communication kinda sht.
I’m watching it too and it says “Jorge”. Maybe they fixed it.
Would’ve been entertaining if they went with comedian George Lopez.
Yeah I’d say about 10 minutes later it was fixed
Interesting trade, but not exactly impactful for either side.
Kind of makes sense for each team. I think Minnesota is probably adding the better arm but if Miami can turn Lopez around, it’s a good bit of business turning their rental into 1.5 years of a similar pitcher.
Insanely stupid trade for Miami.
Lopez is awful and had literally one random, good year. Everything else has been awful.
Floro was an solid if not excellent reliever for 4-5 years in a row and, though this year is a down season, his 2023 is still better than Lopez’s 2023.
Marlins are idiots.
Um, no. Floro has deceptive stats with the Marlins. He was part of the Marlins bullpen woes for the last couple of years when it comes to high-leverage situations.
In meaningless games, Floro is gold for Fantasy Leagues. For a team trying to hold leads in big games, Floro is garbage. That’s why his stats look good when the Marlins had rough seasons, but he has been garbage this year when they have been playing well.
And it shows in his body language. He’s not comfortable in tough games and moments. He goes into complete impode mode with his pitching, body language, everything.
Yep. Floro is the Marlins version of Emilio Pagan. Instead of the 3 true outcomes, if runners are on base, it’s just 1 of the 3. Ball in the seats.
Well, if there aren’t runners on base, it’s 2 of the 3 true outcomes because he’ll walk the men onto base since he’ll try to not make mistakes, then start pulling piches out against RH batters and starts yanking his follow-through outside against LH batters. Then he’ll go to the ball in the seats true outcome when he does one of his get-me-over pitches to a guy that hasn’t hit a HR in a long time.
And yet the pitcher who had the most RECENT season of success belongs to Lopez.
Just stop making trades twins fo. In review….Yennier Cano the reliever we needed all along was traded along with a fine prospect Cade Povich for Dylan Floro? I need to put down some towels in case there’s a vomit overflow near the toilet. Baltimore is laughing along with everyone else.
It could get worse. Mel Stottlemyre can figure out Lopez for the rest of the season.
If that happens, after this trade and the Arraez trade, you know Kim Ng will be calling again to see what else you guys got.
Maybe Avi Garcia for Byron Buxton is next.
So would you say Floro’s floor is low-leverage situations?
On a serious note, Kim Ng needs to be aggressive this deadline you guys are in the thick of it, no dancing around about it this year.
Yes, she does need to be aggressive. I’m thinking that the bullpen moves she’s done the last couple of days are a start, and that we’ll see something bigger by the deadline from the Marlins. Not majorly big, but bigger that fills a need. The only thing, with what the Marlins are right now, I wouldn’t trade the farm this year because, unless another surprise postseason, they aren’t a team that will win a championship. It’s about filling needs, but wisely so we have pieces for next year and beyond.
I’d love for her to find a way to unload Avi’s contract.
Moving Avisail isn’t impossible, might even be a benefit for him. My two Chicago teams aren’t doing anything this year, but of the two, I think the Cubs have something more valuable to your Marlins. I’d offer up Bellinger for some of your mid-tier prospects, nothing crazy he is after all a rental.
I have actually thought of Bellinger. He would be a nice fit for the Marlins, especially since it could have them bring Jazz back at SS.
Bellinger and Leiter? I don’t know your farm so not sure what you’d offer for both. Leiter would help alleviate your bullpen needs and Bellinger is a potent bat plus he’s a great defender that can play CF or 1B.
I’m not sure about the need for Leiter, but I know we can use Bellinger.
I was throwing in Leiter as a bundle to sweeten the deal and get another prospect in the deal. Not to diminish Leiter he’s been good, especially after his previous body of work.
I can see some value in Leiter, but I’m not sure if he’s something the Marlins would need to the point of going the extra step with a prospect to get him. The Marlins have plenty of guys his caliber. They need something more on the elite reliever side of things.
1. Cade Povich has had a bad 2023 and wasn’t great in 2022. He’s only a fine prospect to you because he was traded.
2. Joe Ryan trade was insane. Pablo Lopez is a good trade in spite of Arraez’s success this year. The Sonny Gray trade was masterful.
Your problem is that you walk into looking at trades with extreme prejudice. You know what you think before the players are even mentioned. Hack.
@ZeusMacalester
1. Povich is still considered a likely back rotation starter. He’s pitching very well at AA, but he has given up quite a few home runs. His xFIP is 3.06 at that level. He’ll probably be in MLB next year. You’re also forgetting Yennier Cano who went along with that trade. He’s the 5th best reliever in all of baseball by fWAR this year. There were 2 other low level pitching prospects who ALSO went to Baltimore as well. Neither one looks promising right now, but it took 4 years before Duran showed anything worth noting for the Twins.
2. Joe Ryan was a huge coup for the Twins (agree).
Lopez was a bad trade even if Lopez has been “good.” Arraez looks to have reached his potential and erased all the concerns the Twins had. Arraez looks like a perennial All Star at 2B (a weak position for the Twins this year) and the extra team control the Marlins got more than seals this.
Have you paid any attention to what Chase Petty is doing this year? No, you haven’t. He’s utterly dominating A+ at age 20. I expect he’ll be promoted to AA soon if the Reds aren’t having him work on a 4th pitch or something. Petty could be in MLB next year at this rate and could be a potential Ace. It would be a catastrophically bad trade if the Twins don’t make the playoffs or don’t advance while Petty turns into a stud.
Your problem is you appear to be a homer, oblivious to the results of trades.
Checking back in 4 months later:
1.) Luis Arraez has a 105 OPS+. Because he has no pop, he needs to hit .350 to be an All-Star (which he wasn’t this year). This year he’s hitting .310. He’s played less than 10 games at 2B and is now a 1B/DH. And the “weak position” for the Twins has been host to Julien, Castro, Lee, and Martin. They have depth for days there.
2.) Chase Petty has been beaten up in AA this year. his dominance last year was in 60 innings and the jump to AA is a big jump. He may work it out but the Twins almost certainly win that trade. There’s no such thing as a pitching prospect.
I think I came across well in this?
@zeus – This must have been really important to you to check those stats every single day for a year hoping you might be able to claim some sort of vindication, LOL.
Petty’s working on his K rate this year, not the actual results. Arraez’s actual production should climb up a bit as his actual lags behind the xwOBA quite a bit, but his glove has been horrible at 2B. Arraez will need to commit to staying in shape and improving. He does seem like he got a big head. Gray was worth it since the Twins picked up a playoff series win, and Gray proved himself thoroughly.
Btw, how’s Lopez looking? Well, he has finally gotten his ERA down below 5, since he was carrying a negative bWAR most of the year, and the Twins start paying him 20MM a year next year.
my hand is resting on the stove top and i’m feeling no pain. heat up already!
Honestly, other than Shohei, there isn’t really a major piece on the trade block with enough demand that could lead to a major deadline trade. The big name sellers like the Padres and Mets have overpaid for the possible trade chips to the point that nobody would really want them, unless in trades for bad contracts.
There’s plenty of mid level trades to be made. For instance, I’m waiting for the Tigers to trade Rodriguez and Lorenzon. I’m very curious to see what they get for them.
Even if he was available the Marlins would have zero chance in getting Shohei. With his next contract you’d be able to buy a controlling stake in the Marlins with the money he’s gonna get. I don’t think the Mets or Padres are sellers despite their records. The Padres didn’t overpay on Juan Soto, Josh Hader, or Blake Snell. Come to think of it Machado and Bogaerts are the only big FA’s they have signed, that and the Darvish and Musgrove extensions. Most of the roster has come via trade so I don’t think it’s a money issue there. The Mets on the other hand are a team that has been put together mainly through free agency so its more likely they move Robertson,Pham,and or Cahna. 2023 hasn’t worked out for the Mets or the Pads and your Marlins are somehow a half game out of the wild card. Hats off to them. I think they need a bat and I mean a real bat(Soto is a perfect fit). They also need a shut down reliever. Lopez isn’t that. I would have kicked the wheels on Chapman. I don’t see them over taking Philly,Cincy,and the Dbacks. Too much talent on those teams. But to your point I could see alot of teams wanting Soto,Snell,Verlander,or Scherzer if they were put on the block.
Anyone else think trade deadline will be much ado about nothing??
It will be a tough market since most of the good pieces are on contending teams. And the ones who aren’t are paid too much.
We may see some bad contract trades.
We may see some overpay trades too.
I hope the Marlins are not one of the teams to overpay for something. I am okay with a bad contract trade since we do have Avi Garcia. Maybe something with Segura for something from a team seeking a 2B that will give us something that fills a need.
Yes.
I actually expect a huge flurry of trades over the next several days. Nothing huge, just a lot of mid level and low level transactions.
@ThonolansGhost
I can see that too. With so very few possibilities for big player acquisitions, teams looking to improve will need to have to do a bunch of medium to small size moves.
For a team like the Marlins, assuming thet aren’t a good distance back by the deadline, their biggest move may be someone like Jeimer Candelario to go with some bullpen help, which they’ve started already.
Change of scenery… that’s the only thing I can justify from this.
Everyone seems to be forgetting Jorge Lopez we t through a mental breakdown this year too that sent him to the IL. Not speaking lightly of mental issues, but the marlins will need to work with him on more than his time on the mound. There wasn’t much discussed about except “angry” outbursts. Who knows what team relationships could have been damaged?
So why did Jorge Lopez suck balls last year, then?
I was just trying to have a baseball discussion – not downing hard working people in a specific field as opposed to being an incel in a basement trying to talk down on the actual people. To each his own.
I hope all the players do well on the field and in life. It’d be great if the trades worked out for both too… but that’s just optimistic. More competition is just better baseball.
@slydevlL, no, you were being an apologist using mental health as an excuse as to why people don’t have to do their jobs in an industry which is almost entirely results oriented.
If it was a baseball discussion, you wouldn’t have ignored Jorge Lopez struggling mightily last year after the trade to quickly leap to mental health as the reason for his performance. That’s why I’m annoyed with your comment. It wasn’t about baseball.
Lopez has been dealing with serious medical issues with his son, even when he was pitching for the O’s. The kid has been in and out of the hospital his entire life. I don’t know if this part is accurate or not but I’ve seen it been said that his son needs a transplant.
Whether or not you think that impacts him or not is up to you. I’m willing to give him a pass as I’m sure baseball hasn’t been number one on his mind for years.
Results matter in baseball and we all know he needs to pitch better. I’m sure he feels the same, but a little empathy isn’t hard
Meanwhile belongs at the start of the sentence, you can’t just throw it in the middle and put commas around it. How do you make this mistake twice in one article? MLBTR needs an editor because their writers mess up all the time.
Floro is inducing ground balls at a rate above 54% but Marlins are 21st out of 30 in runs saved so far in 2023. Segura and Wendle aren’t gonna get you into the post season defensively. Arraez’s defense is basically irrelevant because of the incredible bat but in reality, he isn’t a great defender. Floro’s FIP is 2.78. Put him with a club like Minnesota that is 4th best in defensive runs saved in baseball and things can change fast here with the results. So I’m not sure if I agree with Adams’ assessment that both of these relievers are struggling. It looks like Miami is dumping salary here (they had lost 8 of 10 at the time of the trade ) and also taking a flier on Lopez thinking getting him closer to home will help him turn his season around. Floro is more likely to pitch in high leverage in Minnesota and he gives them an experienced reliever for the stretch run. Hopefully it works out for both players and clubs.