Phillies president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski told reporters, including Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe, that Bryce Harper will play first base going forward. Chelsea Janes of The Washington Post adds that free agent Rhys Hoskins has been informed of the decision with the position player mix pretty set. Dombrowski added that the club sees Kyle Schwarber as its everyday designated hitter, per Todd Zolecki of MLB.com. Though Harper could conceivably split his time between first and the outfielder, Dombrowski says he wanted Harper to be “in a position where he would play one or the other,” per Scott Lauber of the Philadelphia Inquirer.
Harper, 31, had just two appearances at first base in the first decade of his career, but recent circumstances forced a change. In May of 2022, he was diagnosed with a torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow. That meant he was unable to throw, though the issue didn’t prevent him from hitting. The Phils kept him in the designated hitter slot for the rest of that campaign as Harper’s excellence at the plate helped them reach the World Series.
After they were defeated by the Astros, Harper finally went under the knife, undergoing Tommy John surgery in November of last year. As he was working his way back to health, long-time first baseman Rhys Hoskins torn the ACL in his left knee during a Spring Training game, an ailment that eventually prevented him from appearing at any point in the 2023 season.
Harper went on to beat all projections for his post-surgery recovery and was able to be reinstated by early May, barely five months after his operation. He was limited to designated hitter duties initially but was eventually cleared to take the field. Since a first baseman is rarely required to throw at maximum effort, the club put him at that position as opposed to putting him back in his typical right field spot, which would have required more throws at maximum effort. The Phils used a combination of Alec Bohm, Darick Hall, Kody Clemens and Drew Ellis to cover the spot in the first half but that group largely ceded to Harper in the second half.
He made his first start at first base on July 21 and eventually made 36 appearances in total in the regular season, then stayed there for the club’s 13 playoff games. Advanced defensive metrics generally considered him to be around league average, though in a fairly small sample of work. Having Harper at that spot freed up the club to move Schwarber, who is considered a poor defender, from left field to DH on most nights. The Phils then split the outfield duties between Nick Castellanos, Brandon Marsh, Johan Rojas, Cristian Pache and Jake Cave.
After the season, it was an open question as to where Harper would be slotted going forward. By the time the 2024 campaign rolled around, he presumably would have been far enough from his surgery to head back to the grass. But with Schwarber and those five outfielders all still on the roster next year, that would have further crowded things out there, forcing the club to perhaps trade someone while also perhaps looking to external first base options.
But the club will stick with Harper at first, which doesn’t leave a space for Hoskins, who is now a free agent. It seems Dombrowski did him the courtesy of letting him know so that he can spend the winter looking elsewhere for his next gig. He hit 148 home runs for the Phillies from 2017 to 2022 but it seems his next homer will be hit in a different uniform. MLBTR recently ranked Hoskins #26 on our list of the Top 50 Free Agents, predicting a pillow contract of two years and $36MM.
This also could have ramifications for Bohm and the third base market. He hasn’t received strong grades for his glovework at the hot corner, which made the Phils a speculative fit to add a player there and move Bohm over to cover first, as he did when Hoskins and Harper were both unavailable. But if Harper is going to be implanted at first, it suggests the club feels fairly confident about Bohm at third. They could always sign someone like Matt Chapman and then make Bohm available in trades but the roster fit isn’t as clean with this development.
It would appear then that the club will be primarily focused on pitching for the rest of the winter, since the position player corps is considered to be in good shape. Aaron Nola is now a free agent and retaining him or finding someone else to replace him would seem to be the logical priority for the club in the months to come, though new developments can always change the calculus over the course of the offseason.
No brainer. I love Hoskins, but this is the move for this roster.
Helps make their OF defense better by having Schwarber DH.
Exactly.
Bye bye Rhys
Giants ???
Pirates???
Cubs ???
Brewers ????
He has options
Wouldn’t count on Pirates, nor Brewers paying him in area of 20m AAV for 2-3y and he is going into the DH market with DH (only) JD Martinez and Turner, who is probably a better defender at 1b than Hoskins and even at 39yo still capable of some 3b in emergencies.
Both other DH types.. Turner and Martinez probably end up with 1y deals at 20m or less. Hoskins will be looking for more years and he may be close to 10y younger than the pair, but I’d take martinez and especialy Turner over him.
$20M after not playing for a full season?
I agree with you about the Brewers, but the Pirates have enough payroll room and are getting good enough to where I could see them splashing on a free agent like Hoskins. They’re more likely to spend heavily on pitching this offseason, but the fit and the resources are there.
Maybe Mets if they deal Alonso?
If negotiations dont go well Alonso could be traded at ASB.
As a NYM fan I like Hoskins but he can only play 1B and DH.
PHI tried him in the outfield and it didn’t go well defensively.
Maybe you could try him for about 25 games in the OF
work on his OF defense in spring training
Amazing how a seemingly athletic player in Hoskins can’t play left better than Schwarber.
The same is true for Alonso, and there’s nothing wrong with having a defensively limited starting 1B as long as he can hit and is playable at 1B.
Cubs are a likely landing spot.
Fully agree. Actually will be amazed if he ends up elsewhere. Replacement for Bellinger. Probably 1 year with an option year.
AZ, COL, MIA, TOR, Wash, TB even 1 year prove you are healthy contract
Twins. Kiriloff’s health is not guaranteed. Seems like a contract they could handle, even with a reduced payroll.
I see Hoskins signing with the Cubs.
Harper was pretty good at 1B too. Keeps Schwarber as the DH. 1B is a little harder to replace than getting an OF right now, aside from Hoskins.
Yeah, the only real errors he made were just things that come with experience at the position, like knowing when to cover the bag. For a guy who basically learned on the job, he did pretty well.
Phillies need Blake Snell more than anything. Hoskins is a better fit on the Cubs. Stay Tuned.
Hoskins is the perfect candidate for the Astros
Not really. 1B and DH are spoken for with Abreu and Alvarez.
Alvarez hits better as a LF’er. Hoskins is the LHH complement to Abreu, and the Astros lack a DH.
How does Alvarez’s offense determine his best defensive position? If the Astros end up with 3 starting outfielders who play better defense than Alveraz at the end of the offseason, then Alvarez will be their primary DH..
Meanwhile, I’ll give you that Abreu may need to be platooned at this point of his career, but Hoskins is also right-handed and does *NOT* need to be platooned.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Astros need a bat that rakes vs RHP and can play the OF and possibly 1B.
Hoskins doesn’t fit. Not enough playing time for him.
The Phillie that would fit on the Astros is Marsh.
Let’s do a trade, Marsh goes to Astros and King Tuck goes to Philly
I actually wouldn’t mind a Tucker trade a la Juan Soto. He’s going to get a fortune in FA in 2 years and has resisted every effort of an extension.
However it would take a lot more than Marsh, and would need to include multiple players who help the team immediately.
He won’t be fitting there any time soon.
That’s a pretty safe bet lol
If only the Astros had a LF with a ..292/.394/.601 line against RHP. They’d be set right? Hoskins can primarily DH and rotate into 1B/LF when Alvarez/Abreu need a day off or DH. It’s really simple.
Except Hoskins is a FA and the Astros have hardly any money vs the CBT and have never shown a willingness (despite lots of talk) to exceed it.
True. I guess I am just frustrated at Jim Crane’s recent lack of desire to win. I know we won’t sign anyone significant lol
I don’t expect any big FA but I am hopeful that the team can add 3-4 helpful pieces on the cheap that help the overall depth of the team.
@Bob
Where the blue blazes was Schwarber going to play any way? I like the guy genuinely and think he takes some undue grief, but I wouldn’t trust him to field a lost puppy without him accidentally fumbling it….
He’s no better or worse than luzinski or Burrell ever were. Burrell was actually a good left fielder. But imagine if the NL had a DH back then. You might have had Howard, Burrell and Thome on the same team at a key time. “If” you know what they say about if?
Rojas and Pache are the first guys I send over in a trade or bench. Marsh helps you better offensively and he’s a really good fielder. They need another outfield piece maybe named Trout if the angels are dumping salary or a guy like Dylan Carlson who needs a change of scenery, young switch hitting OF with upside similar to how the Phillies got marsh.
“It’s not that hard. Tell him, Wash.”
“It’s incredibly hard.”
How’s the arm?
“You know, it’s strong…….
…………..
…….I can’t throw the ball”
You want me to replace Giambi? What about the fans?
“Yeah, maybe I can teach one of them”
I knew I could count on you guys.
“How can you not be romantic about baseball?”
Lol. He played 1B the majority of 23 though. He did well too. So this quote, while excellent, isn’t exactly a good fit.
Just let me have this
I’m sorry. You’re right. I regret saying anything, but “would you rather take a bullet to the head or five to the chest and bleed to death?”
Are those my only two options?
I thought he looked below average at 1B from what I saw in the postseason.. A couple of errors. Didn’t look comfortable picking it..
Double D makes a big splash this off season. Snell is my pick
Id rather just have Nola back, to be honest.
Same, but Nola seems to want a lot.
I do believe the Phils will match whatever offer is out there. STL going to 175? I would be shocked. Yes, many teams need pitching; I could see LA, SD and SF offering Nola something in the 150-175 range. Same with the Cubs, Red Sox, Rangers and (dark horse pick) Orioles.
I’m not necessarily even arguing that it is the wisest investment for go that high for Nola, but … I’m just of the opinion that Snell is essentially a lateral move, and the Phils are clearly win-now. They need 1 of these 2 guys, I’d say, so all else being equal, I’d bring back Nola.
I actually think I’d prefer Nola. Snell may be a better arm, but his stamina is problematic. Nola for 7 innings vs. Snell for 5 and a pen arm for 2?
Over 6 years? I doubt he gets that much. Meanwhile, I very well could see the Cardinals going to $150M over 6 if necessary
I haven’t been paying too much attention to their defensive alignment, but is Harper no longer a capable outfielder? I’d imagine he’d be better than Castellanos in right.
He would be, but he’s also good at 1B. Casty had 0 errors last year. His range isn’t the best, but with Marsh, Rojas, Pache helping out, that’s a very solid OF.
Those 3 can definitely hold the fort down defensively, but it lacks quite a bit in offense. I feel like it’d be easier to find 1B and have Harper in the OF
Was he ever capable outfielder? Looked much better at 1b.
@Catuli
Get you – maybe – but Schwarber seemed to field with a black plastic bag on his head. To be fair he played like a decent left fielder. As a soccer player.
dang, was really hoping to see Hoskins back. Bohm, JT, Castellanos — none really seem like the best choice to bat 4th and give Harper some protection. Pitchers will continue to just pitch around Harper because the guy up next is not a threat. Hoskins at least presents that threat, IMO…
Maybe. When Hoskins was on one of his one week a month’s hot streak tears. But what about the other three weeks a month? Who was protecting Harper those weeks?
They are in need a pure contact hitter like Brantley.
Whoa. I was very wrong about this one.
Schwarber to DH and who to LF?
Marsh or a new addition.
Marsh is the CF, isn’t he?
Marsh played LF after Rojas came up. DD stated that they want Rojas to earn the CF spot though.
my guess would be Soler or Bader
I mean this is essentially what they did all this year. Nothing new.
Oh good, he’ll have an umpire right there to whine to on a regular basis.
As a Cards fan…and a big Harper fan…this is an underrated comment.
As one of my favorites Kenny Omega would say. “This is where I bid you adieu. Goodbye Muah and Goodnight..Bang”.
I’m speaking of Rhys Hoskins
While I disagree on your Hoskins hate, I do agree they should let him go. He’s not a great fit. He’d be an excellent DH on another squad. I do agree with your Kenny Omega love though. Dude is an all-time great.
No he’s not. Unless you’re saying he’s an all great at ruining the business. Having a match with a 10 year old girl. He’s a disgrace to the business.
Rofl…you realize that promotion in Japan does stuff like that all the time, and that was at least a decade ago, right? America isn’t the only place in the world, by the way. There are different cultures everywhere, and when you are somewhere else, you acquiesce to them. You are a clown if you really believe that last sentence. You can say he isn’t for you, which I personally don’t understand, but is your opinion, but claiming he is somehow a disgrace is an asinine comment, and has zero basis in reality
Going to be sad when he slows down in a few more years, as it is with so many guys retiring in sports, what feels like, all at once
Not sure what the issue is with Hoskins, but the random Kenny reference makes it ok…besides, I have enough Marlins killers to worry about anyway, so I’m cool with that spot being gone in the lineup
(Although I don’t know why I would worry about anything, since my team should mostly just start over, in my opinion)
But seriously I wish him well
Now they can rightfully retire #17
For Pat Neshek or Peter Bourjos?
Ricky Jordan of course!
Soler for LF? Harrison Bader?
Soler going to Cleveland
Bold pick to have CLE sign an OF. They haven’t had a solid-hitting outfielder since Edwin Encarnacion and I think he was probably just a DH anyway
When was Edwin ever a OF? Oh right he wasn’t.
Gotta aim way higher the Bader. You can get dudes like him at the deadline.
agreed, Bader shouldn’t even be on the radar at this point. If that’s the level you’re working at, then just let Rojas play.
Marsh and Rojas.
Hey’ Phillies way to F’ Hoskins..
How’d they “f” Hoskins? He got hurt at the worst possible time for him. Baseball is a business, it makes good business sense to have Harper play first. He is better offensively, and in his short stint this year, has proven to be better defensively.
They’re trying to improve defensively. Re-signing Hoskins (a below average defensive first baseman) leaves Harper and Castellanos as the corner outfielders, who are also both below average defensively and not getting any younger. Their offense is good enough that they can afford to lose Hoskins’ bat in favor of improving the defense.
This makes total sense with Harper at 1B going forward.
Hoskins to the Cubs or the Blue Jays.
How on earth does he fit on the bluejays? Do they need a 1b no. Do they need more RH bats? No. Do they need less position flexibility with another DH type, when they need that spot open for all the regulars who play on concrete every day at home, no.
The Angels should make Mike Trout the permanent DH. Why do I say this here? Because great hitters need to be protected from injuries. Yes Trout is a great defender but his offense is much more important.
Does DHing protect him against broken hamate bones or HBPs?
No. It does however protect him from an array of other injuries that he seems more prone to such as a calf strain or back issues. Allows him to preserve his body as he ages.
I wouldn’t rule it out further down the line but he’s not quite in Byron Buxton territory yet.
Still not worth the risk. He’s a great hitter. Keep him in the lineup and lessen his likelihood of injury. Not having to practice/train for fielding will help him focus on hitting and preventing injuries. Of course it’s not gonna be an end all be all.
Trout’s 20-30 lbs overweight. Until he gets serious about fixing that he has maybe 3 more years.
Trout doesn’t have an ounce of fat on him. You’re blind.
“Harper will play First Base going forward”
That’s remarkable. Even the best ones have to go backwards for a high hopper sometimes.
What about going backward though?
Wow, what an awful decision. Wipes away so much positional value and athleticism from Harper. Now his contract isn’t even that much of a bargain. Who pays a first basemen 13 years?
Teams that want ~145 OPS+ players?
With those numbers? Everybody would.
@Fraham I think this is more a reality of the situation. Hoskins was never good defensively. I mean I’ve been a fan since day one. He’s a good guy but I’ve compared his glove to being made of the same material as a curling stone. Now, coming back from a major injury, he’s definitely not going to be any better than before and most likely worse. Too much to risk on a team that wants a WS win.
Harper was inexperienced but solid at 1B in 2023. The market is thin in available FA 1Bs that check all the needed boxes. Why not give Harper all off-season to work on his footwork and decision-making so he’s better prepared in ‘24? It will be easier to nab an OF via trade or FA.
I figured this was the move once Harper proved he could do it during the season. The only way Hoskins really had a chance at a new contract is if he comes back before the end of the season and proves he’s alright (or took such a lowball offer that the Phils couldn’t refuse).
This is like moving Jake Cronenworth to first at a lesser extent seemed like a bargain deal and now underwater contract.
@fraham. Cronenworth’s last 3 seasons OPS+ were 122, 109, and 92. Harper’s were 179, 146, and 146 (with the last two seasons coming back from a broken thumb and recovering from TJ). Not even close to the same thing.
They didn’t sign him for his defense. One of the scariest bats in the mlb. I still remember the Cubs walking him every single at bat in the playoffs.
Reds – Votto 17 years. Rockies – Helton 16 years. Need anymore?
I hear they are bringing in Scott Hatteburg to spring training to coach him up.
Bryce Harper To Play First Base Going Forward
Wouldn’t he be going sideways most of the time?
Good.
And please, folks, stop with the “Trout to Philly” crap. It’s getting old and tired. The answer to Philly’s problems isn’t an aging outfielder who can’t stay healthy.
Agreed, but…
…It’s like the pumpkin spice seasonal latte. You know it’s coming and there is nothing you can do about it.
It’s just that this “trout spice latte” season there is a little more bite to it than usual. Alas, it’ll be back in ’24.
Castellanos played a fine RF last year. Compared to Schwarber or Hoskins at 1B, this is better.
What a betrayal by Philly…
Rhys could get his revenge, but who knows…
A betrayal? Hoskins isn’t even a Philly. He’s a FA.
Hoskins would’ve played this year had he not hurt himself in spring training.
When it looked like he could return, Philly gave up on him for Harper. (And I think it won’t hurt Philly that much.)
Actually they did Hoskins a favor by not tying .a qualifying to him. It will make him more attractive to another possible team. No draft penalty and all that.
If anyone needs to move from the OF to first it’s Castellanos
Actually, his wife explained to everyone how Bryce got to:
FIRST BASE !!
Giants better be all over Hoskins
Does anyone actually read the article? Harper is being moved to first to avoid re-injuring his throwing arm. First baseman do not make maximum effort throws frequently, especially compared to right fielders. This is not about improving defense at first, it’s about prioritizing harpers bat and availability. The only mention of improved defense is moving schwarber to full time DH. Schwarber is so bad at defense that virtually anyone else is an improvement.
Read. The. Article. Before. You. Comment.
I always wondered why Only Boston put Schwarber at first. I know he cam up as a catcher and he had the torn acl or mcl with the cubs so he DHd to start there. I guess he had no room other then in Boston to play first but it seems so logical to me. Also Philly hasnt been woreied about Defense For years as they signed Schwarber and Nick C. To ay in the same outfield. This more is avout keeping Harper in the gane and slightly improving the D is a bonus
Defence hasn’t ever been a thing DD teams worry about. See those tigers teams he put together with Cabrera and prince
@Highwaymenace There’s an article?
And we’re supposed to confine the range of our discussion to what it includes? Huh. I’d like to see The Rulebook, please.
Im a jays fan but i want people to be aware of something sonny gray said a few years back. Sonny did an inter view with Bauer, i believe it was/is on Bauers channel but it was when they were both pitching for Cincinnati. It was Bauer Sonny and 2 others and someone asked Sonny about his time in the Yankees and why he thought he was either playing better now or worse then? Any changes? Anything you can tell us? He said the big market of NY had a massive impact, coming form Oakland espically. He said the market, interviews, the fans all of it giving him such a hard time, things magnified and it really took a toll once he started preforming badly. He was much happier to be in Cincinnati were he could just focus on baseball and disnt have to worry about being asked why he was playing so bad every start. So any market like Philly, Toronto, NY, LAD, San fran, ATL etc wont be a good fit for him in my eyes, albeit this was 3ish years ago
There are so many grammatical errors in this article it almost reads as if written by a non native english speaker.
LOL that they think this will stop Harper from injuring himself in the field somehow.
I’d prefer if he did some pitching. I think he could make it as a starter. He’d be wasting his skill at 1B.
At this point, Hoskins is a DH and nothing more. Time to move on. Thanks for the years in Philly
The Phillies deciding to play Harper at first base in 2024 is a mistake because the team can’t afford for him to get injured and spend any significant time on the IL, and that’s exactly what could happen with him playing first base. Olson colliding with him during the Atlanta playoffs should have been a wakeup call to the Phils and Harper, who is better suited as a DH or right fielder than a first baseman. Keeping Schwarber as their exclusive DH is another mistake, especially if he continues to be the team’s leadoff hitter. With the Phils starting to show their age, the DH position should be kept open and used to give the team’s best hitters, i.e. Realmuto, Harper, Turner, Castellanos, and Bohm, a day off from defensive duties on a rotating basis. Reserving the position for exclusive use by a .197 batting, NL strikeout king is short-sighted, regardless of how many homers he hit in 2023. Trading Castellanos would be yet another mistake. He was not only one of the Phils top hitters and RBI producers in 2023, but he also played stellar defense. He was the only starting outfielder in the NL not to have an error, and his arm was one of the most respected in MLB. The Phils are about to let Nola walk. They’ve already let Hoskins walk and are rumored to be showing Castellanos the door. And yet, the Phils somehow think that simply replacing Nola and Castellanos with comparable players is going to be enough to allow the team to win the world series in 2024. The Braves, Mets, Marlins, and Nationals, as well as most teams outside the NL East, are already showing signs of being better in 2024 than they were in 2023, while the Phils are showing signs of hopefully maintaining their status quo. Check back here this time next year to see how far the Phils got with that strategy.
So you’d rather have the worst defensive outfielder in the game playing the field rather than at DH? Okay…
Andy, The smart move for the Phils would be to keep Castellanos and trade Schwarber. Castellanos can hit, run, throw, and play very good defense. He hit .272 in 2023 and drove in as many runs as Schwarber who only hit .197 and can’t be trusted on defense. Everything else would then fall into place nicely. Schwarber is on Year 3 of a 4 year contract. His trade value will never be greater than it is right now. At this time next year, the Phils will be paying money to another team to take Schwarber off their hands.
Harper is still a capable outfielder IMO, at least more capable than Castellanos and Schwarber. Perhaps the Phillies see it as easier to add to the Outfield mix instead of first base. Do they give the CF job to Rojas or add a bat this off-season?
For fantasy purposes, does this mean he loses OF eligibility? I don’t think he had any games last season and will probably not play there this coming season.
@Rsk3228 Harper is only eligible at 1B this year in fantasy baseball, unless they move him to the outfield later in the year.
How did a phrase as limp as “going forward” seize the lexicon?
It’s as if every instance of “from now on,” “for here on out,” and “hereafter” on the internet was simultaneously replaced with “going forward.”
Orwell warned us about the reduction and diminution of language, people!