For the second time before his 26th birthday, Juan Soto is on the move. The Yankees and Padres announced a trade sending Soto and fellow outfielder Trent Grisham from San Diego to the Bronx. The Friars receive five players — right-hander Michael King, top pitching prospect Drew Thorpe, right-handers Jhony Brito and Randy Vásquez, and catcher Kyle Higashioka — in return.
Soto’s time in San Diego concludes after a season and a half. The Padres acquired the star slugger from the Nationals during the summer of 2022 in one of the biggest deadline blockbusters in history. He’d go on to appear in 214 games with the Friars, hitting .265/.405/.488. It wasn’t immediately the smoothest tenure, as Soto was hitting below his established lofty standards down the stretch in ’22 and early this past season. By May, he turned a corner and was back to performing at an elite level.
The three-time All-Star ultimately turned in a .275/.410/.519 line with 35 home runs while playing in all 162 games. He narrowly established a career mark in longballs despite the generally pitcher-friendly nature of Petco Park. Soto’s generational plate discipline remained on full display. Among hitters with 400+ plate appearances, only new teammate Aaron Judge walked more frequently. Soto trailed just the respective league MVPs, Ronald Acuña Jr. and Shohei Ohtani, in on-base percentage. He was one of four hitters to walk more often than he struck out.
It’s what we’ve come to expect from Soto, who now owns a .284/.421/.524 slash over five and a half MLB seasons. He’s on a Hall of Fame trajectory and will immediately step into the middle of the New York batting order. He and Judge now comprise the game’s most fearsome corner outfield tandem. Along with Grisham and Alex Verdugo — acquired last night from the Red Sox — they’re part of an almost completely overhauled outfield in the Bronx.
The trade is a firm win-now strike for the Yankees, the kind of headline-grabbing splash that’s reminiscent of the Bronx Bombers of old. It’s a bold push on the part of ownership and the front office after a fourth-place finish in the AL East.
In all likelihood, Soto is a one-year acquisition. He is in his final offseason of arbitration eligibility. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects him for a $33MM salary that would break the all-time record for an arb-eligible player. While the Yankees are likely to inquire with Soto’s representatives at the Boras Corporation about a possible long-term extension, it is widely expected he’s strictly a one-year rental. The three-time All-Star rejected a $440MM offer from the Nationals prior to his trade to San Diego. The price would surely only be higher now that Soto is a season and a half closer to the open market.
The chance to discuss extension figures with Soto’s camp isn’t entirely without value, yet it’s far less important than ensuring he’ll be a Yankee in 2024. Manager Aaron Boone said this morning the Yankees were comfortable playing Judge in center field if necessary. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal thinks the team’s “most frequently used outfield” would indeed feature Judge in center despite the increased injury risk of that position, with Soto in right and Verdugo in left.
Given Giancarlo Stanton’s injury history, the Yankees should also be able to rotate their stars in the DH mix and use the glove-first Grisham in center. Top center field prospect Jasson Domínguez could factor in at some point later in the year after rehabbing from Tommy John surgery, while young left fielder Everson Pereira is likely to head back to Triple-A.
Grisham, who recently turned 27, played four seasons in San Diego. The Padres acquired him from the Brewers in a four-player trade after the 2019 campaign. Grisham had an excellent showing in the abbreviated 2020 season but has trended down offensively through the past few years. He was still a slightly better than average hitter in ’21 before falling below that in the last two seasons.
The left-handed hitter has run sub-Mendoza line batting averages in each of those campaigns. The Padres nevertheless stuck by him as their primary center fielder. Grisham has been patient enough to work a fair number of walks and reached double digits in homers for all four years in San Diego. His .191/.300/.347 line going back to the start of 2022 remains grisly, but the walks and serviceable power have been enough to make him a bottom-of-the-lineup regular.
Grisham is a plus defender in center field, annually receiving strong marks from Defensive Runs Saved and Statcast’s Outs Above Average. DRS has rated him 25 runs above average in his nearly 4100 career innings; Statcast has Grisham 30 runs better than par. The glove was enough for the Padres to tender him an arbitration contract projected around $4.9MM. Grisham will go through that process once more before qualifying for free agency after the 2025 campaign.
Between Verdugo, Soto and Grisham, the New York front office has added a trio of left-handed bats within a little more than 24 hours. Early in the offseason, general manager Brian Cashman called it a priority to bring in two lefty-swinging outfielders. There may not be one in the majors better than Soto.
It comes at the cost of a good chunk of their upper level pitching depth and significant cash. The Padres went into the offseason broadcasting a need to cut spending. The Friars had emerged as a surprising behemoth in recent years. Late owner Peter Seidler signed off on repeated sprees that pushed the Friars into the realms of the game’s top spenders. President of baseball operations A.J. Preller has never been shy about pursuing star talent.
That evidently hasn’t been entirely sustainable over the long haul. With reports of a need to scale back payroll toward the $200MM range to become compliant with MLB’s debt service ratio, speculation about a Soto trade has been rampant throughout the winter. He’d been projected for the highest 2024 salary of anyone on the roster. Yet the short-term commitment made it easier to move Soto for a noteworthy return than it would have been to shed money from a lengthy deal (e.g. Jake Cronenworth, Xander Bogaerts or Fernando Tatis Jr.).
With no intention to rebuild, the Padres needed to find a way to bring in rotation help. San Diego had arguably the sport’s best starting pitching last season. With each of Blake Snell, Nick Martinez, Seth Lugo and Michael Wacha hitting free agency, they were down to essentially Joe Musgrove, Yu Darvish and a host of unproven options with limited payroll room.
The Yankees obliged, sending a handful of upper level arms. The package is headlined by King, a 28-year-old righty who broke out as a starter late last season. The Boston College product had been an effective multi-inning reliever for the bulk of his time in the Bronx. Reeling with rotation issues late in the year, the Yankees gave King a shot as a starter. They couldn’t have anticipated it going as well as it did.
In his nine starts, King pitched to a 2.23 ERA through 40 1/3 innings. He held opponents to a .243/.284/.355 line while striking out a stellar 31.3% of batters faced. The Yankees gradually built his workload, keeping him to five or fewer innings in all but two of those appearances. King found success in both outings he did work into the sixth, each against the Blue Jays, highlighted by a 13-strikeout performance on September 20.
There’s certainly risk in betting on King to hold up as a starter. This year’s 104 2/3 innings is a personal high at the MLB level, plus King was on the 60-day IL in 2021 and ’22 for a finger injury and an elbow fracture, respectively. The Padres hit on their gamble that Lugo could convert from the bullpen last offseason, though. King held his 94-95 MPH average fastball velocity and mixes four pitches. He has dominated hitters from either side of the plate and owns an overall 2.60 ERA with a 30.6% strikeout rate in 155 2/3 frames since the start of 2022. It’s a gamble, but there’s also significant upside.
The Padres control King for two seasons via arbitration. His earnings have been capped by his career résumé as a non-closing reliever. Swartz projects him for just a $2.6MM salary in 2024. Even if he performs well over a full season as a starter, he’d likely be capped in the $8-10MM range for ’25.
Brito and Vásquez held depth roles in the rotation as rookies in 2023. The former is a 25-year-old righty who worked 90 1/3 innings over 25 outings (13 starts). Brito pitched to a 4.28 ERA overall but fared much better out of the bullpen. He turned in a 1.43 ERA with a solid 24.3% strikeout rate in relief compared to a 6.32 mark with a 16.4% strikeout percentage from the rotation. That could point to a future in long relief, although prospect evaluators generally projected Brito as a possible back-end starter.
Vásquez, 25, posted a 2.87 ERA through his first 37 2/3 MLB frames. His strikeout and walk numbers were more middling. Vásquez also struggled to throw strikes in Triple-A, although he punched out nearly 27% of batters faced in 17 starts at the top minor league level. His fastball sits in the mid-90s and he mixed six pitches (four-seam, sinker, cutter, sweeper, changeup and curveball) in his limited big league time.
Both hurlers still have two minor league options remaining. Neither has yet reached a full year of service. San Diego can control them for at least six seasons. They’re each reasonably valuable trade pieces, but Thorpe is the true secondary piece behind King.
A second-round pick in 2022, the 6’4″ righty was excellent in his first full professional season. Thorpe combined for a 2.52 ERA in 139 1/3 innings between High-A Hudson Valley and Double-A Somerset. He punched out more than a third of batters faced compared to a modest 7.1% walk rate. Baseball America had recently ranked him seventh among Yankee prospects.
According to BA, he sports a deep arsenal headlined by a plus changeup and good life on a 92-94 MPH fastball. He also has plus control and projects as a back-end or better starter. He’ll likely start the season in Double-A, but as an advanced college draftee, it’s not out of the question he’s on the mound at Petco Park sometime next summer. Preller suggested as much in a post-trade press conference this evening.
Rounding out the return is Higashioka, a veteran catcher to back up 25-year-old Luis Campusano. Higashioka had spent a decade and a half in the Yankee organization dating back to his selection in the 2008 draft. He has settled in as a respected #2 presence behind the dish. Higashioka runs bottom of the barrel on-base grades but has reached double digit homers in three straight seasons. He has excellent pitch framing marks throughout his career, although Statcast metrics suggest his typically solid blocking ability plummeted this year.
Swartz projects the 33-year-old for a $2.3MM salary in his final season before free agency. With no cash considerations involved in the swap, the financial elements of the trade are limited to the players’ respective arbitration salaries. King and Higahioka are projected to make a total of $4.9MM; Soto and Grisham will combine for something in the $37.9MM range.
It represents around $33MM in savings for the Padres. Roster Resource projects the Friars around $156MM in actual spending. They’re at roughly $209MM in luxury tax commitments, around $28MM below the base threshold. There’s room for the front office to dip into the middle tiers of free agency. They’ll likely still look for some reliability in the back of the starting staff, a back-end reliever and add at least one outfielder. Tatis could theoretically slide from right to center field, although it’s widely expected they’ll pursue KBO center fielder Jung Hoo Lee. Additionally, Preller stated his intention tonight to look to add more starting pitching.
The cost for the Yankees goes well beyond the $33MM difference in arbitration projections. The Yankees were already into luxury tax territory. Roster Resource now projects their CBT mark in the $290MM range, well into the third tier of penalization. The Yankees have paid the tax in each of the last two years, so they’re charged significantly higher penalties as repeat payors.
New York will pay a 50% tax on spending between $237MM and $257MM, 62% on their next $20MM, and 95% for spending between $277MM and $297MM. They’d be taxed at a 110% rate on every dollar past $297MM. The Yankees pretty clearly still need to add a starting pitcher and perhaps a reliever, and it’s worth considering that the cost of those additions would roughly double in 2024 due to the luxury tax – barring payroll subtractions in other places.
In total, today’s trade adds around $24.75MM in expected tax obligations. It amounts to a nearly $58MM investment for what’s primarily one season of Soto’s services and two years from Grisham. The Yankees could recoup a draft choice if Soto walks in free agency next year once he declines a qualifying offer, although that’d fall only after the fourth round because of New York’s CBT status.
Between the huge financial cost and the notable pitching talent, it’s a massive investment. That’s a testament both to Soto’s talent and the Yankees’ all-in approach to turning things around. It will likely be the biggest trade of the offseason and, unlike some blockbusters, it’s between two clubs that fully expect to compete for a playoff spot in 2024. Things are just beginning for both franchises.
Jack Curry of the YES Network reported this morning that a Soto trade was likely. MLB.com’s Jon Morosi reported the Padres would receive King, Thorpe and at least two others. Joel Sherman of the New York Post confirmed Grisham’s inclusion. Curry had the likely inclusions of Vásquez, Higashioka and Brito. Sherman first reported the deal was agreed upon.
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fsrasmd
Darn. Was hoping he’d be a Cub.
99CaptainJudge99
Now it will definitely be more fun and worth it to come to the stadium more!
DakotaJoe
the Yankees got fleeced.
garth16iorg
They did indeed. Soto is good but vastly overrated.
99CaptainJudge99
Yeah Soto sucks! Lolololololol!
Brew88
Most “experts” and polls out they rate this trade as an A for NY, not so good for SD
I see it as a B for NY
F for SD
HankAaronDidGreenies
Overrated in what capacity?
Mike E
How many times have Yankee prospects turn into an above average major leaguer. It really came down to king and thorpe for Soto. They are writing that Thorpes fastball may not play well in the majors so lets see what King does, we all KNOW what
marinersblue96
@Brew88 I don’t see anywhere that the Friars got fleeced. There is an excellent write up on ESPN that gave NY (B) and SD (A-).
espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/39054696/mlb-juan-…
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Brew88
I see it as an A for Yankees and a B for San Diego.
San Diego made a bad trade giving up Abrams for Soto.
But given that San Diego wanted to cut payroll and acquire pitching, the Yankee deal they made was the best they could do. Rather than getting an elite prospect who is a couple years out, they got multiple less valuable pieces that can help them in 2024. They are doing a salary dump and trying to compete. Makes sense to me. The bad deals were Hosmer, Trea, Crony and Bogey, this was appropriate damage control.
mlb fan
“Overated”.. Silly question because I think you already know he’s one dimensional and elite in batting and sub par every where else. Great players have 5 tools, not 1.
Souldrummer25
Trea? Which trea was with the Padres?
Brew88
CBS sports, Yanks A, Padres C. But when u consider in the failed Pads Nats deal it’s an F
Brew88
I’m not considering how well Preller did to salvage something, I’m looking at the entirety of the debacle.
MWeller77
@mlb fan Miguel Cabrera says hello
MWeller77
Trea Turner was in the Pads’ farm system
James123
not sucks, but he is basically costing the team 50m this year (30m in salary plus 20m in luxury tax), and he is just not worth that much.
You cannot build a team of 100% market rate vetrans and still compete.. The cost is just too high. I think WAR assumes 40 wins as a given, so a playoff team needs another 50, at 7m per war, that is 350m…. and that is a crazy high payroll (and at that point you are paying another 200m or so in luxury tax)…. so you need young productive players. This is not a young productive player. Who was- King. Realistically there is only a 30-40% chance he is a mid rotation guy, but 2 years of that is a huge savings. there is also a non 0 chance Vazquez or Brito turn more into #3 starters than 4/5 types. Thorpe is also likely worth good savings as a 2nd rounder who has already out produced his draft value in the minors
James123
I think you are downplaying the value of Vazquez and Brito…. are they the low men in this trade- yes, but they also have a ton of control, moderate big league success, and upside. Realistically the floor is #5 starter or middle releiver. That has value at rock bottom prices. WIth 2 of them, i would say that on their own they each have like a 5% chance of figuring something out and being middle of the rotation guys, so a 10% chance one of them is a lot more.
Souldrummer25
Thanks! Should have remembered that as a Nats fan!
winniejones31
Trea Turner was drafted by the Padres.
adc6r
It really depends on what SD does with the rest of the offseason. King is a legit rotation piece and the prospects have some potential But prospects are a later in the year plan. Doing the luxury tax dance necessitated this move but they still have work to do
adc6r
shhh he’s on a roll
Baseball’s Topics on Baseball Today
Nice.
Baseball’s Topics on Baseball Today
Hmm
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Was an “A” deal for both teams.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Me too but not without an extension in place which wasn’t gonna happen no matter who acquired Soto. So It looks like Soto might be playing for his third team in as many years for 2025
Unless the Yankees give him 550mul
baseballhistory
Soto won’t get close to that in 2025. He is a one dimensional player.
rememberthecoop
Yes he will. Have you checked out salaries these days? Think about it – he’ll be relatively young for a FA. He will get 13 or even 14 years at 35M minimum per season.
99CaptainJudge99
Coop- my guess is $540 over 12 years. We’ll see.
Senioreditor
He’s going to break the 500 million barrier next year. I think Ohtani ultimately misses it by a little bit this year.
Senioreditor
Getting more than 35 a year next offseason.
IronBallsMcGinty
Let’s see how he performs in NY next year before making that assumption.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Yeah you’re right. He’ll surpass it witb a 45HR , 30 2Bs, and 90+ rbi. And being left handed he might get to 50 homeruns.
99CaptainJudge99
@baseballhistory- He certainly will, just remember it takes only 1 team out there to offer that kind of money.
99CaptainJudge99
@Coop- I think less years for Soto, but he’s going to get at least $45 million a year if not more.
Keena
Of course Soto won’t come close to it. As a lifelong Yankee fan, I am not excited one bit about this trade, because I know how it always goes. Soto will start the season on the DL, come back in June, only to find out, he’s now 25% of the player he was in San Diego, hit about .215, with below average, because that ridiculous bandbox in the Bronx, will totally screw up his swing, fans will be booing him with all their might by mid June, when suddenly, it’ll be announced that he requires Tommy John surgery, and won’t even be available to them until mid 2025, when he’s an unrestricted free-agent, who will probably sign with the Dodgers. Are you laughing right now? Then you don’t know the NY Yankees. You wanna bet I’m 95% right? Save this post, and get back to me, once it’s obvious that I was totally right. For the record, I pray I’m wrong. But, this is the Yankees we’re talking about, and I bet most real Yankee fans, will agree with me, completely. Sad, but true. God, I hate to lose Michael King, but sitting out with injuries doesn’t help anyone, and he mastered that, very well. I wish they would have traded Schmidt, instead of King.
avenger65
A left-handed hitter of Soto’s magnitude in Yankee stadium? Soto will probably hit 50+ HR which will send his asking price in free agency beyond $40m a year.
Go Go Power Rangers
You should be happy they’re going for it. Save the pessimism for when things actually go wrong. Right now, be excited.
Tyson’s Pet Tiger
@senioresitor you don’t know ball
Keena
And his average will drop by 100 points, because of the ridiculous short right field porch. Doubt me? Just ask Jason Giambi, and Mark Teixeira. And many other left hand power hitters, that have come to Yankee Stadium with high hopes, and left with their careers ruined. I’d love to be wrong on this.
What are we going to do, when by mid June, Soto needs Tommy John Surgery, for some lame reason, and we traded away so many arms, including Michael King? Sorry, but I just don’t see this, as a win for the Yankees. Unless they can immediately sign him to around a 4 year extension, I think we just mortgaged everything, and left the farm dry, for a very temporary rental.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Except Soto isn’t a pull hitter. His career spray charts will exhibit that he hits to all fields. The Yankees aren’t done dealing yet. Yamamoto could be very well be on their horizon. It’ll be highly inconsistent to make this trade only and then stand pat.
iverbure
Save your own post and when that doesn’t happen make sure you post how dumb you were for thinking that.
iverbure
In what world is Soto signing a 4 year extension, you obviously don’t follow baseball if you think that’s even a possibility.
JackStrawb
@baseballhistory Well, Soto SHOULDN’T get close to $550m. He is indeed a one-dimensional player. He’s very roughly Bryce Harper as of Harper’s free agency at 26, with another 30 walks a year thrown in, which translates to 7-8 runs a year, while offering less on defense.
Why would Soto get significantly more than Harper did at the same age, 26? It was 13/325m, I believe. Soto might get more money spread out over more years to make it look better even as inflation eats a lot of that kind of deal, but he’s a 5-win DH, and he won’t be much of a star at age 30, just a DH who takes a ton of unexciting walks.
GooseGoslinGuy
Soto had a memorable game in Yankee Stadium with the Nats as a rookie in 2018. Two dingers — a 3-run belt to left (off Sonny Gray), and a solo shot deep into right field for the game-winner (off lefty Chasen Shreve). I remember thinking at the time how comfy he would look in Yankee Stadium with that lefty swing. If he stays healthy, he could have a monster year.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
Keena — you just acquired a generational hitter — one capable of being as good a hitter as Judge in that short porch stadium — and a player who stays pretty consistently healthy. He is going to rake. I predict he wins the MVP in the AL. It was a hefty price for only one guaranteed year but it does give the Yankees a likely advantage in negotiating rights for his future services. Be happy.
BPax
Soto, Stanton, and Judge will all three play less than 100 games each next season. That’s my prediction. Big hats, no cattle.
99CaptainJudge99
@Senioreditor- I think Ohtani gets $550 million, or more truthfully from the Dodgers. Yeah he won’t pitch this season, can’t play the field, but his bat will do all the talking again, except a lot of home runs. It’s to bad he’s so allergic to New York.
99CaptainJudge99
@avenger65- I think you are 100% correct with those #’s truthfully, and he’s playing at Yankee Stadium which was tailor made for him. Great call.
JackStrawb
“Generational.” Heh. Soto’s Bryce Harper with 30 more BB a year but worse defense. The opinions on a guy who didn’t crack 4 fWAR in 2022 are delusional.
It doesn’t give them a leg up. The winning bid would have gotten them Soto next offseason for 2025-2036. Now they can only lose him if he decides Yankees fans aren’t for him.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
Soto is a generational hitter. He has yet to hit his ceiling. And he is still very young. His defense is another story.
Dumpster Divin Theo
But that one dimension: tres mega
william-2
He may get more than anyone thinks. He will be hitting in a joke stadium for his walk year. I wouldn’t be surprised if his new contract is based off a 45 HR 130 RBI season.
Pachoo
No way will he get close to that. He is going to be a full time DH very soon as he is abysmal defensively already and getting worse each year.
Full time DHs don’t get $500m+ contracts.
Sharocko
You have to remember that he turned down $440 mil already with the nationals (with a similar structure as you’re saying…being spread out over more years.)
Even if he has a below average upcoming year (which I’m not saying he will…he’s likely going to want to get paid close to what Othani will be making vs anything close to what he already turned down.)
I’m not saying he’s getting Othani $$$…I’m just saying…that will be the baseline he will aspire towards vs previous high salary’s in the past.
He, like Othani…will be taking a good chunk of somebody’s roster financials next year.
Unclemike1525
With one huge difference. The team that signs Ohtani will be getting over 100 million a year back while the Soto contract will be an overt drain of resources.
OldSaltUSN
Othani is 29 yrs old, going into his age 30 season. He just had his SECOND TJ surgery, and may never pitch again, or at least effectively.. Yeah, I suppose some team may be willing to give him a 10 or 15 year contract for $500M+, but then they are paying him about $90M a season, because after age 35 or 37, that contract would most likely be dead money.
I know the market, I know that Othani is probably already a HOF player, but I hope and pray, my team (the Padres) don’t give him that kind of contract. Tatis was a good risk. Machdo’s first contract, yeah, great, but his extention, again, there’s dead money in that contract in some year. Bogaerts? Darvish? Not good.
I know that the market drives these kind of decisions, but at some point (i.e. like Hosmer, Myers), it’ll cripple a teams future.
CheapBloom
The Yankees are so dumb. When will they learn?
Go Go Power Rangers
That’s a little pick and choose considering he had a 5.5 fWAR in 2023…
Go Go Power Rangers
Technically no one’s gotten a $500m contract yet. Also when Shohei does get it he’d be a DH for 2024 with a possibility (hopefully not) that he’d be only that for the rest of his career.
Sharocko
Very true.
Question…would you rather have Soto or Acuna Jr in that situation (having to pay that kind of money over long haul?) Both are young…Soto’s proven a lil more durable…but “generational hitter” vs a stud overall player like Acuna Jr. I like Soto but I think I’d take Acuna Jr at that kind of price…Braves we’re very lucky (and smart) for getting him on that deal he signed as youngster.
Tatis is another one on a pretty good contract if he stays status quo to last season.
Brewers are hoping Jackson Chourio will be a bargain in his newly signed rookie contract without even playing a season in mlb yet.
It’s not so cut and dry for each player…but seemingly best way to prevent having to pay such massive contracts like Soto (who isn’t really a more complete package as the Acuna and Tatis types) is to gamble and try to buy out their younger years. Chourios is showing that the trend will still continue.
Fever Pitch Guy
Keena – You kinda sound like somebody who just hit the lottery and yet is complaining because they have to pay the taxes on the winnings.
Batting average doesn’t matter, OPS does. Rest assured Soto’s will be very high.
Farm system doesn’t matter when you can afford to outbid every other team for free agents.
Right now the Astros have the worst farm system in MLB,
Arizona has the 5th-worst.
Toronto has the 6th-worst.
Atlanta has the 7th-worst.
When you have a really good team, you have time to re-stock the farm system.
And when you have a high revenue team, you can make mistakes go away. If Stanton and Rodon don’t turn it around, eating their contracts is not a big deal for a team like the Yankees.
Yankees will sign a big name starting pitcher and will be instant contenders next season.
No need to be Debbie Downer.
kcmark
And plays in Yankee Stadium. He will hit 50+ HRs with the short porch.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Doubtful. Sources I’ve seen say 500, maybe even 600 for Ohtani. I doubt Soto makes that much.
epsilon
That’s a weird way to spell Cubs.
OZ13
The first comment that makes total sense. Thanks for this. Yanks fans are complaining about how much they gave up for 1 yr. If anyone can get an extension done, its them. If they cant get it done, obviously bad move for them bc they are still a ways behind the Orioles. Judge will help Soto see the light. Soto will see that if he pulls the ball a bit more he could seriously become the greatest hitter ever (legally, as long as he’s not juicing). I think if the Yanks are smart they will pitch “Legacy” to him. “Here, in this ballpark playing with Aaron Judge, you could be remembered forever. You could be the GOAT. There is no better place to play for you than the Yankees. We will pay you handsomely, and our market is huge, increasing your pay even more due to jersey sales, commercials, etc.”
Now, those of you saying that he “will hit 45-50 hr… you dont understand that Soto’s greatness comes from his patience (not swinging enough to hit 45-50) and his ability to hit balls all over the ball park (generally guys who do that dont hit 45-50). If he becomes a tad more aggressive and pulls a bit more, 40 is completely doable. Package that along with .400+ obp and you have yourself a $40 mil a year guy on the open market. Yanks better get it done. Maybe the offer partial team ownership to him and Judge?
HankAaronDidGreenies
How do some of you people even follow baseball
Mike E
Because he doesn’t play the field, well neither does Ohtani
RetroBeers
Only a doomer could make acquiring Juan freaking Soto into a negative. “Real” Yankees fans are, wait for it, actual FANS. Optimism is the immortal Yankee legacy brand, not weak defeatism. One reason Yankees fans are so disliked around the league is this type of whining. We were mediocre last season, 82-80, so what? MLB is really deep and competitive. The doomers act like we lost 100 games three seasons in a row. I understand and respect the talent level around the league and don’t expect to win 100 games every season. The level of toxic defeatism among the NYY fanbase is bizarre and not befitting a proud tradition.
Dumpster Divin Theo
1.5 billion over 30
Dumpster Divin Theo
750 HRs, 90 Dbs, and 2200 RBIs over the next 28 seasons. Slump a little in ‘46, but ‘51 is gonna be a banner year
emac22
The pride ended when the desire to win ended.
Kudos for hanging on to the memory of greatness they used to embody but keeping a proven failure like Cashman is just a guarantee that the team will continue to be a failure.
Reframing happiness as a .500 record is a commendable adjustment to the depressing reality of being a Yankee fan.
BrianStrowman9
$290MM on payroll isn’t a commitment to winning?
Every time Cashman doesn’t sign a FA—Yankees fan bitcch. Then it goes bad and Yankees fan Btch and claim he’s not doing anything to help them win.
adc6r
Yea at 70MM/10 years He missed it by 200,000,000
ftasports
Man, your significant other must hate their life.
99CaptainJudge99
And why wouldn’t they? He’s not going anywhere, no worries.
Pachoo
LOL, Soto is obviously a player who is going to go to the highest bidder next year. It is evident that is his intentions (and probably why he switched to Boras).
And when he becomes a free agent, i don’t think anyone is going to outbid Steve Cohen. Yankees will watch Soto move a half mile over to the Mets next year.
Dumpster Divin Theo
What’s mul- mulch?
frankiegxiii
Mula
Dumpster Divin Theo
Tres mul.
99CaptainJudge99
@Logjammer- Yes agreed $540-550 for 12 years seems about right. Can’t let him go anywhere.
lasershow45
I want this to happen so badly. 4 more years of Stanton’s contract and exactly ZERO teams will touch it. 8 more years of Judge’s contract which has been a good deal so far. 5 more years of Cole at 36M. So a good 145M for 4 players. That’s without Rodon’s 5 years @27M. Yankees better hope they have a ton of rookies who immediately contribute or they’re going to be stuck at the bottom with the Red Sox for a long time
TrillionaireTeamOperator
In an ideal scenario if the Yankees extended him, I’d love to see them somehow miraculously get him to agree to 1 year/$30M plus 7 years/$280M for a total of 8 years/$280M or something, but his age and the way salaries are going, I think the most realistic lowball free agent deal right now would be 10 years/$400M and probably more like 12 years/$500M. It just is what it is. And the truth is, starting his free agency deal in his age 26 season means he will mostly likely play up to any contract for the first 9 or so years of that deal, so 10 to 12 years on top of his final season of arbitration wouldn’t be a horrendous contract value.
iverbure
He turned down 440 million already. So your evaluation is way off.
99CaptainJudge99
@iverbure- Exactly add $100 million more or so, and it probably gets done. $540-550 million over 12 years seems worth it for Mr. Soto.
iverbure
Captain- what does the OF alignment look like for the Yankees next year. They aren’t going to stick Judge in CF for 60 games are they? Seems like a good way to get him hurt again.
JackStrawb
@iverbure No, that was after he was coming off a 7.1 WAR season in 2021 and a pro rated 7.0 fWAR in 2020.
2022? 3.9 fWAR
2023? 5.5 fWAR
He had the one, extremely strong full season. That’s it. 1 of 5, and he’s declined to 2/3 that since 2021 with an average fWAR of 4.7 compared to 7.05.
He’s no longer the player you think he is. He’s no longer the player most here think he is.
iverbure
When he gets more than 440 million which he will, make sure you don’t say you remember this stupid post. He’s a generational talent.
OldSaltUSN
Last Spring, when Soto was still mired in a two season slump, there was some talk that the National’s offer was as close to $400M+ as Soto was likely to see. “Generational hitter” sounds like a cool writer’s title, or marketing gimmick. The biggest thing in his favor will be that he’ll only be age 26 when he becomes a FA, well, that and his career performance. However, delivering on those promises through his 30’s is historically a bad bet.
99CaptainJudge99
@iverbure- wow thanks for scaring me! Lol. Opening Day- Verdugo in left field(the hardest position at Yankee Stadium to play) Soto in right field(the easiest position at YS. Judge in center field. If they get there. Postseason- Verdugo in left field, Dominguez in center field, Soto as the dh, and Judgie back in right field. Excellent question.
Ma4170
The soto detractors are inane, he’s an elite player, a top 5 bat in all of baseball, his fielding wont cost nearly the runs over the year that his bat will gain. If healthy, the yankees will win many more games because of him. The only debate is whether it was too much if they cant re-sign him.
Mike E
“Too much”. how do we know what too much is, except for King none of the others will do much of anything. Look at the history of Yankee minor league players trying to make it in the Majors, only Judge came through, Volpe hit 200 and the yankees didn’t want to trade him for any of those good shortstops or sign any FA that winter. One thing is constant in this trade and that is SOTO.
Ma4170
Personally i dont think it was a lot to give, I’m just reflecting more of what others are saying bc its only one year. If you got soto without losing dominguez jones hampton pereira arias, you did well.
Brew88
Wonder if the Yanks move him at TD if they are out of contention?
Deleted Userr
@Brew88 Move Soto at the deadline if they are out of contention? I have both as more likely than not.
Brew’88
@harambe then they might be able to restore some of that low-level pitching depth.
Good Guys
The Yankees are his 3rd team in as many years. If he doesn’t resign it will be his fourth team in 4 years.
stymeedone
Just waiting to see Soto go to arbitration. Hope its ugly and the Yankees win!.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
That’s an interesting point- the Yankees historically go year to year and tend to underpay guys in arbitration, with the trade off being they get paid market rate if they re-sign in free agency, or they overpay slightly, knowing they’re letting the guy walk with an uncertain or middling market for their services (like Phil Hughes) and so they put a little extra money in that final year that the player didn’t really deserve, but it also means they’re giving a guy an extra $2M or $5M knowing they won’t even entertain committing $40M or $80M or $100M+ to that guy going forward.
With Soto….. the estimates for his salary in 2024 range from $27M to $35M, with most putting him at about $33M for his final year of arbitration.
I wonder if the Yankees will go ahead and offer that median number? Might as well, right? They just sent a ton of very good role players to the Padres to get Soto.
Also lets be real here- a team like the Yankees doesn’t get a guy like Soto as a one year rental just to not even try signing him to an extension.
They will float something, I am sure. And it might be ‘modest’ for Soto’s market, but it won’t be modest. Something like 1 year/$30M plus 10 years/$400M.
If you sign Soto for 10 years, 7 of those years are in that window people typically consider to be the age range when most players perform at their career peaks: 26 to 32 years old, some guys fizzling around 31, other guys fizzling around 34 or 35, etc.
I think Soto should be durable, dependable and basically a 4 to 7 WAR player from age 25 to age 33 or so, with age 34 being an acceptably productive, healthy season and only beginning to see peripheral drop offs in his age 35 season, which means that the first 8 or 9 years of any extension would be worth the money and even years 10 or 11 wouldn’t be sunk cost, just slightly over valued, but if the AAV stays the same, the diminished returns might match the inflation reduced value of the stagnant salaries… so it might work out in the end.
But yeah at years 11 and beyond it might wind up looking like an ugly deal, even if by that point in time $40M a year looks like $23M a year today…
Bottom line is, he doesn’t need to be a 6-7 WAR per season player to live up to a deal. He just needs to stay above 4 WAR and even a 3.5 WAR season is still pretty functional.
There’s plenty of guys who are talked about and viewed like someone who puts up 7 WAR when they barely put up 2.1 WAR many seasons, so it’s ultimately all about perception and optics.
VegasSDfan
Huge return, brilliant trade
Deleted Userr
CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore and James Wood say otherwise.
johnrealtime
2.5 years of control is a lot different than 1
Deleted Userr
I missed the part where that’s my problem!
Dennis Boyd
Be honest: you’d rather have Abrams, gore, wood, hassell, susana and have missed playoffs in 2022 with no Soto, then what the Padres have now. Seems like a good trade (especially with shedding Grisham), but the franchise is worse off then they were 2 years ago.
Deleted Userr
@Dennis Boyd How is shedding Grisham a good thing when they could have non-tendered him????
Habitual Truth Teller
Not really.
They increased their pitching depth significantly more than just Gore and its mlb ready pitching unlike Susana
Wood and Hassell aren’t much until they prove they can be something at mlb level.
Abrams would be nice but they have Jackson Merrill who’s Abrams 2.0 and I’d rather have Kim at ss than Abrams. Merrill is probably going to the OF which increases their defense.
Deleted Userr
@Jobu Needs A Refill They could have acquired those dudes without giving up Abrams, Gore, Hassell, Wood and Susana.
“Wood and Hassell aren’t much until they prove they can be something at mlb level.”
Would you say the same about Jasson Dominguez? Not saying you’re right or wrong but curious.
Habitual Truth Teller
Well Jasson Dominguez has cracked mlb and hit .258 and .980 ops in 31 at bats.
So there’s promise there. But like all baseball players it’s good to wait 3-4 years at mlb level before making any kind of serious judgement.
So what happens if/when wood Hassell Susana bust or don’t live up to the hype?
Deleted Userr
Oh wow 31 at-bats when’s his induction ceremony into Cooperstown!?
He’s also going to be sitting on the IL while accruing service time for most if not all of 2024.
Habitual Truth Teller
“So there’s promise there. But like all baseball players it’s good to wait 3-4 years at mlb level before making any kind of serious judgement.”
Try reading the whole comment.
Deleted Userr
There’s promise with Abrams, Gore, Wood, Hassell and Susana too.
Habitual Truth Teller
Abrams and Gore sure. They’re at the mlb level
When did Wood, Hassell, and Susana debut? Alot of guys look good in the minors but never seem to figure it out at the mlb level. Tons of guys like that.
When wood Hassell amd Susana debut we can discuss their potential to be a franchise cornerstone piece
Deleted Userr
Don’t have to have debuted to have promise.
Habitual Truth Teller
Oh so single a double a and triple a numbers guarantee success at mlb level now. Since when? And how does success in the minors help teams when the player struggles at the mlb level?
Deleted Userr
Never said they guarantee success at the mlb level. Nor does Dominguez’s 31 AB sample size.
“And how does success in the minors help teams when the player struggles at the mlb level?”
Same way Dominguez sitting on the IL for all of 2024 while accruing service time does.
Dennis Boyd
@harambe, I wish they did non-tender him, but since they have him a salary, I assume he enhanced what they got from Yankees in the trade.
Deleted Userr
@Dennis If he didn’t enhance it they wouldn’t have included him.
Habitual Truth Teller
Not sure why you’re discussing Dominguez anyways since he’s not part of the trade.
Oh. You mean we should wait till guys get to the mlb level, see how they do over the course of idk 3+ years worth of data on them, and then look back at past trades to judge them / judge how a player is performing compared to prospects hype?
Huh. Well glad you agree with me harambe. Let me know when Hassell Wood and Susana have 3+ years of data available at the mlb level and get back to me.
Deleted Userr
Let me know when Dominguez does too 😉
Habitual Truth Teller
Harambe: Would you say the same about Jasson Dominguez? Not saying you’re right or wrong but curious.
Me: So there’s promise there. But like all baseball players it’s good to wait 3-4 years at mlb level before making any kind of serious judgement.
You’re the one that brought up Dominguez as some kind of own or gotcha that didn’t pan out at all XD. Better luck next time I guess
BrianStrowman9
Hassell is a lotto ticket at this point. Susana too.
The other 3 are big leaguers w/ Wood and Abrams having star upside. Gore was sliding down when acquired but I think he’ll eventually settle in as a mid rotation arm.
Habitual Truth Teller
Susana with his 5.17 era in a ball isn’t ready to be an ML’er
Wood will need to improve upon his 173 K’s and Hassell will need to improve upon his 161 K’s to even come close to being considered an mlb player.
Dumpster Divin Theo
MacKenzie Gore. Meh. Rather have MacKenzie Spuds.
stymeedone
But you don’t have Kim at SS. You have Mr Ego playing there,XB.
stymeedone
He said “shows promise”. Guaranteed was never mentioned, nor even implied.
Habitual Truth Teller
How you perform in the minors means nothing until you prove you can do it at the mlb level. Promise/prospect rankings in the minors means very little. Many guys who were once top prospects flamed out and guys who were lowly ranked prospects have had successful careers. Beauty of baseball.
Dominguez has made it to the mlb. He’s played 31 games. We will see how he does going forward. Should wait 3+ years at mlb level to judge a player since pitchers will have enough data on him then. Let’s see how he does.
Wood Hassell Susana haven’t made it to the mlb. They havent debuted. Once they make it to the mlb we can start discussing them as franchise cornerstone players.
Habitual Truth Teller
Hit in 31 at bats*
Now Yu Know
So, what you’re saying is that the Padres were wrong for going all-in in 2022? I don’t agree. They came short of the WS by one step. That was huge improvement over what they had been doing over the years prior. And yes, 2023 was a disappointment for sure, but finding fault with a team that went for it… I don’t know about that. Is the goal to build the top farm system, or to win the WS?
Brew88
No soup. Yes the Pads traded the farm for Soto, and at the time I supported them “going for it”, they traded for 2.3 seasons (about 1400 ABs) of Soto and WS runs. But instead of following through they’ve done the opposite of going for it, they bailed instead (on 600 ABs) and are now doing the opposite of going for it. So this wasn’t planned, it’s a monumental screw up in roster and budget planning by Preller and his associates.
JoeBrady
Is the goal to build the top farm system, or to win the WS?
============
That’s not the correct question. The correct is whether your chances of a WS are better by adding one player to increase your chances over the short run, or having multiple players, albeit inferior players, increase your chances over the long run.
Most of the teams that have WSC’s also have money, but have done most of their work through development.
BrianStrowman9
Depth is created from your farm system. Injuries are inevitable. Especially on an old team like the Yankees. You can’t sign 35 major league contracts. You need to have a farm that produces quality players to bring up when that happens.
It’s not so much where your farm is ranked but what it has in proximity to the MLB when you’re a team like the Braves or Yankees. Is there depth in AAA that can come up and fill innings.
BrianStrowman9
Hassell wont be anything. Wood could be very good but there’s a lot of risk associated.
Susana is a lotto ticket right now but there’s reliever upside if he flames out in the rotation.
Deleted Userr
@Jobu Needs A Refill It panned out perfectly. You said prospects are just prospects until they prove otherwise. I asked if the same was true for Dominguez and you’re like “ReEeEeEeEeEeEe He DoEsN’t CoUnT!” Despite the fact that he is still classified as a prospect on the official MLB site, has all of 31 AB’s in the majors so far and will miss most if not all of 2024 with an injury while still accruing service time.
Deleted Userr
@Jobu Needs A Refill…
“How you perform in the minors means nothing until you prove you can do it at the mlb level.”
Yes and Dominguez hasn’t done that yet.
“Promise/prospect rankings in the minors means very little.”
Same is true for Dominguez.
“Many guys who were once top prospects flamed out…”
Like Dominguez?
“Dominguez has made it to the mlb. He’s played 31 games.”
He has 31 AB’s, not 31 games. He has played in 8 games. You can’t even get your facts straight ;P
“Wood Hassell Susana haven’t made it to the mlb. They havent debuted.”
Oldest of the bunch is Hassell at 22. We will see how they do just like we will see how Dominguez does.
Habitual Truth Teller
No what I said at all.
Regarding Dominguez
“So there’s promise there. But like all baseball players it’s good to wait 3-4 years at mlb level before making any kind of serious judgement.”
Idk how you got
“ReEeEeEeEeEeEe He DoEsN’t CoUnT!”
Out of me saying we should wait 3-4 years before deciding if Dominguez is a franchise type player, adequate mlber, bust etc.
I also said the same standard (3-4 years of data) applies to Gore and Abrams who have made their mlb debuts already and when Hassell, Wood, Susana debut the same standard will be used on them .
Dominguez, Gore, Abrams debuted. Hassell, Wood, and Susana haven’t
Nice try distorting facts though. Didnt work. Again.
Deleted Userr
“So there’s promise there.”
“Promise/prospect rankings in the minors means very little.”
Which is it?
Habitual Truth Teller
“Oh.
You mean we should wait till guys get to the mlb level
see how they do over the course of idk 3+ years worth of data on them,
and then look back at past trades to judge them / judge how a player is performing compared to prospects hype?
Huh. Well glad you agree with me harambe.”
I broke the paragraph apart since you seem incapable of reading/comprehending more than a few words at a time.
Deleted Userr
Exactly. So if you are going to say “Wood and Hassell aren’t much until they prove they can be something at mlb level” you have to say the same about Dominguez. Same shizz…
Habitual Truth Teller
Promise is based off his short sample size at MLB level. Not his prospect ranking or minor numbers. Promise doesn’t mean he will be what everyone expects. Gonna take a few years before we know what kind of mlber he will be: I think him hitting well is better than him cratering and being overmatched in his small sample size.
Promise of Abrams and gore is based off their MLB data so far not their former prospect ranking and minor numbers. Gonna take a few years before we know what kind of mlber they will be. I think Abrams being leauge average offense with stellar defense is encouraging. We will see if he can improve stay the same or crater. Same applies to Dominguez.
Deleted Userr
That 8 game sample at the MLB level means bo diddly squat.
Habitual Truth Teller
Which is why I said peomising not guaranteed superstar.
8 games is definitely a small sample size.
But he didn’t look overmatched. Which is promising but not a guarantee of anything.
PinstripedPride
If Thorpe lives up to his potential and King avoids the injury bug then it’ll be a good trade for San Diego.
Unclemike1525
That’s a crazy bunch of assets for a guy who sucks on D and is only there for one year. This is a Cashman needs to win at all costs. The Yankees lost a ton of pitching in the last 2 days. No depth now when Rodon goes down again.
Mike E
“a ton”. how do you know what any of those pitchers will do if they even reach the majors. Thope, his fast ball is questionable in the majors King lets wait and see but Soto we know what he’ll bring and if we get into the WS with Yamamoto included then it’s all worth it.
Keena
As a Yanks fan, I can assure you, 100%, you are right. Congratulations. You cleaned our clocks.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
Not if you guys win the world series. And boy oh boy will Soto bring some excitement to Yankee Stadium. When was the last time the Yanks acquired a hitter this good via trade? It’s been a while. Stanton? If you think Soto was better, then probably A-Rod.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Fair trade, none of them will be CJ Abrams, but all four pitchers combined are worth CJ and they had the benefit of Soto for 1.4 years
winniejones31
It was an amazing haul that the Padres sent to Washington for Soto. What’s also amazing is how fast Preller has restocked the farm system with intriguing talent. So as a Padres fan I can’t get too upset with that deal in 2022.
Brew88
Sure. Except you left the part out where Soto isn’t on the team in 24
winniejones31
True. But I’m also going to guess the whole Padres line up improves on its 2023 performance.
Brew’88
eliminating their best hitter doesn’t guarantee that winnie!
avenger65
The cubs have been linked to pretty much every FA out there.
Unclemike1525
And haven’t signed one yet. I’m sure they’ll overpay for someone, But they’re in a way better space Luxury Tax wise than a lot of teams.
Unclemike1525
I think it’s hilarious that the Yankees fans even think a Stanton trade is possible. Let me help, It’s impossible. Now you’re talking about 12 year contracts. name me one contact of anywhere NEAR that length that worked out for EITHER side. I’ll wait.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Marlins will take Stanton but Yankees would have to pay all of his salary but maybe 4-5 million per year.
Unclemike1525
Manny- You crack me up. Marlins want no part of a Stanton reunion. You picked the one team that would have absolutely nothing to do with him again. Ha Ha ha ha Ho ho ho heee heee . As Walter Bennan used to say, ” That’s a Goodun”!
stymeedone
It always works out for the player. Every one of them.
iverbure
Remember when padre fans insisted the team wouldn’t be cutting payroll? Even with the news they tried to get 50 million loan.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
For a salary dump, Padres filled some needs. Win-win deal.
Brew88
I’m especially excited about the backup catcher
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
Some Padres fans. Some. And remember, the best fans wish for the best of their team. It means integrating a little fantasy into the realities of the day. All but the most curmudgeonly fans do it. In all cities all over the land. In all the sports out there.
winniejones31
That could have been while Seidler was still alive. I don’t know. But I’m not worried about it.
swagsuperawesomeepiccoolman123
YANKEES ARE WINNING THE WORLD SERIES!!!!
DarrenDreifortsContract
Stanton trade 2.0
its_happening
Difference here is NYY took the bad contract in Stanton 1 game away from a World Series. Soto hasn’t been given a Stanton’esque extension yet.
Dumpster Divin Theo
I love the 1 game from a World Series parade they throw every year. Gene Mauch and Tito Francona are your drivers.
Baseball’s Topics on Baseball Today
How?
CardsFan57
Two players still under arbitration are not a Stanton type liability.
Moneyballer
Cept none of the players sent to san diego are of any real value! Yankee robbery.
ruff kuntry
Yeah, it seems like a light return for Soto and Grisham.
iverbure
The padres actually overpaid king alone nearly would have been enough.
99CaptainJudge99
I’m sure that if the Padres weren’t demanding King, they probably could of gotten Pereira, Schmidt, Thorpe, and either Gil or Marinaccio.
stymeedone
Its one very expensive year of Soto. SDP did just fine.
filihok
stymee
“Its one very expensive year of Soto.”
One below market value year of Soto
Gasu1
King was exceptional as a multi-inning reliever; and by the end of last year, it looked like he was successfully making the transition to middle of the order starter. Thorpe had the best year of any pitcher across all of the minors last year, even though it was his first year in pro ball, and finished with a 1.48 ERA in AA; he is close enough that he could be a September call-up. The other two guys have talent, and Vasquez in particular was solid when he was given a chance. Three of the pitchers will be ML regulars next year, and the fourth likely by 2025.
VegasSDfan
All of then have more value than Grish and 1 year of Soto
Deleted Userr
And less value than CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore and James Wood.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
The basic premise is that the Padres needed a loan last season in order to support their spending. Thus, this year, it means the Padres have to cover their starting rotation losses via trade. No big splash in free agency. And they have to do it on the cheap.
None of the pitchers they got in this trade are in any way proven. One of the headliners has a hard time staying healthy and has yet to take on a full season workload. The other is still in the minors. They also didn’t get Hampton.
And the Padres lost 2/3 of their outfield.
The Yankees get one of the top five hitters in the game (yeah, for one season) and a defensive whiz who has shown some flashes of all-star caliber hitting (I know — it’s been a couple years). Maybe the Yanks can tweak Grisham and get him hitting at a 2017 Hicks level. Even getting Grisham hitting at his 2020-21 level would be huge.
Maybe both teams win at this trade. But we all know that Soto will absolutely kill in New York. Will he be the piece that sends them to the World Series? We shall see. Unless the Padres have something else up their sleeve, they are a much worse team than last year. At least on paper.
OldSaltUSN
@Tipsy “The basic premise is that the Padres needed a loan last season in order to support their spending. ”
Uhh… that loan was almost exactly the amount that Bally Sports shorted them when they renegged on their contract, after MLB’s compensation. The money was budgeted for operations and salary, those bills unfortunately, still came through. It’s a short term loan, because the Padres have the revenue LONG term (think like 6 to 8 months) to cover it. It’s a financial instrument, not a financial SOS due to “overspending”. However, it shows up on MLB’s balance sheet, which throws the Padres TEMPORARILY over MLB’s debt service limit. Ergo, the sudden drop in 2024 MLB salaries from $250M to $200M.
Your claim of Padres “overspending” is an ignorant interpretation of the Padres situation.
Simm
Everything you said could be true but rarely does everything go right for one team and bad for the other. You have Soto having a monster year and Grisham finding something he hasn’t had in two years.
While having everything the padres got breaking down.
More likely Grisham still sucks, Soto will be good and at least one of the pitchers the padres get so pretty good with another being good.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
I appreciate (the name – it’s magnificent) that the Padre’s lost 2/3 of their outfield, one who can’t hit, and one that can’t field. A perfect combination.
From afar, and as an A’s fan that has watched a team struggle like a bag of feral cats for two years (with at least three more to come because our collective of scouts live and breath your moniker) I can’t see the Yankees winning this trade. They now have five outfielders, two of which should only stand on grass when playing golf. Given that (at present, until Manfred smokes another bong) you can only have one DH – the Yankees have a problem. They can DFA Grisham and “enjoy” watching $33 million Soto running in the wrong direction or they can DFA Stanton which will cost about $100 million. If they lose Grisham, seems like last years marquee “signing” the extended Judge (at $40 million per season) has to be risked throughout 2024 at least, in centre field.
The one thing I wouldn’t worry about is Cashman putting together a decent bullpen whilst he replaces those heading to San Diego, largely because he is very good at doing that. It’s after that (when he’s dived into Manfred’s Chateau AquaBongito) that I’d worry…
Please don’t take this as anti-Yankee bias, a genuinely enjoy watching them play, and find Judge to be a wonderful player. I just think the way their front office dives into cul-de-sacs is remarkable…
morgannyy 2
Sorry, it’s a 1 yr deal
CyTobb
I’m so happy to get rid of them both.
And, the only thing Preller has been consistently good at is evaluating talent. So, we’ll see … But so far it sounds like a great trade for the Padres.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Do you think the Padres would be willing to trade Kim to the Mariners??? Asking for a friend. Name rhymes with Berry.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Does your friend Nary have a wittle lamb
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Umm…don’t think so…but let me ask. …Nope, it was a Brittle Yam. Good guess though.
larkraxm
jealous
amk1920
AJ Preller in 17 months turned Gore, Abrams, Wood, Hassell and Susana into a medium upside SP and a couple relief pitchers. And somehow still has a job
Diggydugler
I wouldnt call King a starting pitcher, at least not by workload.
pbow51
You’re clueless. He’s a starter .
ssowl
He’s referring to Thorpe
Gasu1
King has mostly been a multi-inning reliever, and he’s been exceptional in that role. They tried him as a started at the end of 2023, and he was excellent– middle of the order quality.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
amk1920
Plus a year and a third of Soto. You kinda left that part out of the equation. (It’s only the most important part.)
cobby100
Best comment today!
bbatardo
The owners health was poor and the Padres tried to go all in to win 1 for him. As a Padres fan I don’t care it didn’t work, I care they tried.
Deleted Userr
You should care if it worked.
conquerbeard
Peter seemed like he was one of the good ones.
larkraxm
it’s better to have lost at love than to have loved at all!!
Brew’88
@ larkraxm. Terrible comparision. They committed to the fans (Nats trade), then abandoned us (walked away from the Soto deal 60% through). In love, that’s called betrayal.
larkraxm
Wait a minute! Who betrayed who? If the fans had bought more tickets and merchandise, then maybe the club wouldn’t have had to borrow money to make payroll. Love is a two way street!!
Brew’88
haha, the Pads fans ranked 3rd in all of MLB in attendance (3.3 million). They backed the team, Petco is sold out 80% of games next year already.
larkraxm
I would also not be happy if my team broke up with Juan Soto. Love means forever, and that’s a mighty long time!
Brew88
@bbatardo. They went for it, then bailed 60% through, you should care that they bailed on a plan where they were supposed to have went for it.
Familia1931
Terrible take. He also turned it into a top 5 MVP for 2023.
filihok
Familia
“Terrible take. He also turned it into a top 5 MVP for 2023.”
Right?
These mid fans don’t know enough about baseball and player valuation to include the actual performance of the player. ♂️
Deleted Userr
1 year and he didn’t win it.
amk1920
And what did that get them exactly?
Habitual Truth Teller
Same thing it gets the dodgers every year amk. Not a whole lot.
filihok
RE amk
“And what did that get them exactly?”
Love when people who likely have never accomplished anything of note are like “Ringz! or GTFO”
amk1920
Iv’e managed stocks much better than Preller manages a team lmao.
Habitual Truth Teller
Managing a baseball team is a bit different than you throwing a couple bucks into 100s 1000s of penny stocks and hitting a couple.
Buying at 2 cents and it hitting 4 cents isn’t really an accomplishment there bud.
Zombie Bukowski
Gore sucks.
Wood struck out nearly 200 times this past season.
But carry on
Deleted Userr
@Zombie Bukowski Put down the bottle
Zombie Bukowski
@Hara – huh? Gore can’t stay healthy. Wood struck out 175 times last season between A/AA?
Abrams has the potential to be the star. We’ll see.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Abrams is a star, the others are all unproven
Dumpster Divin Theo
Bush > Gore
Dumpster Divin Theo
Oh Susana
urnuts
amk1920 you are missing the point of the initial trade and value received at the time.
I’m sure you get all your football bets correct on Monday.
iverbure
While this is true, and I think preller is a terrible gm, the rug has been pulled out. The rug is the payroll.
OldSaltUSN
“The rug is the payroll.”
The rug pulled was Bally Sports renegging on $50M due to the Padres (even after MLB reimbursement), which requried a $50M short term loan to cover expenses already committed, which then threw the Pads into violation of MLB’s debt service rules, which reduced 2024 payroll from $250M to $200M. See how math works? That’s a simplistic explanation, but people talking about Preller and overspending and the Padres payroll mistakes driving this trade, are pretty simplistic people anyhow.
iverbure
Not going to read that novel but the point is if a gm thinks he’s working with a payroll of 250 million for Couple years and after the first year he’s gotta slash payroll No gm in the game is going to look good doing that since once you hand out contracts to most players their value drastically decreases.
conquerbeard
You complain about the length of a response being a “novel” and reply with something nearly as long. What are you?
A'sfaninLondonUK
@conquerbeard
A noveletta. Less substance. And ignoring the other elephant in the room, Zander Bogaerts…
iverbure
Well my opinion matters and his doesn’t. What are you?
GooseGoslinGuy
LOL. It’s funny. After finally getting over the shock of losing so many talented guys off the roster in ’21-’22 — Turner, Scherzer, Schwarber, Bell, Soto, etc. — I think we Nats fans are very happy with Abrams and Gore, encouraged by Ruiz and Gray, and still hopeful about Wood and Hassell. And frankly, Soto’s performance in San Diego, despite good numbers, seemed disappointing. He never really carried the team on his back, did he? Sometimes I think he’s more interested in adding to his walk total than he is in trying to drive in runs. But we will certainly be watching him in New York.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The fact that Preller made bad moves trading Trea Turner and CJ Abrams does not take away from the fact that today’s salary dump was a win-win deal. Padres got some nice pieces. They were not getting anything for Bogey or Crony, this was there only end game if they wanted to cut salary and get another decent FA or two.
iverbure
Are we sure they’re done shedding payroll? I know they had quite a few big free agents who were making quit a bit of money plus Soto. It will be interesting to see if they will still run 180 million payroll.
Simm
The reports said they would be around 200m, one saying 220m.
They may still try and trade cronenworth but I feel like it’s because he doesn’t fit the team right now. He needs to play second, not first. They have Kim at second and they want to extend him. Now find a way to trade cronenworth will be tough.
Other than that they will start adding to the team for next year.
Brew88
Why would they trade Cronz when they just committed to him long term? Now they suddenly realize he needs to play second? They seem continually foolish
winniejones31
Regarding the potential trading of Cronenworth…it would help a lot if his hitting/OPS immediately rebounds in 2024.
Brew’88
winnie, seriouis question. Has it come to this? Is this now a salvage sale?
I’ve been a Padres fan since Westgate Park, staying positive has been my necessary credo, through all the bad years. Very difficult to see a positive in a salvage sale right now.
winniejones31
I don’t know. Just exploring possible options.. Stuff happens.
Brew’88
@ winnie. I know, we both want that parade
stymeedone
Of course he does. What was attendance in SD last year? Prellar’s first priority is to sell tickets. He’s been very successful at it.
winniejones31
And his farm system is full of intriguing hitters and pitchers already in spite of that 2022 Soto deal. I’m perfectly fine with a GM that trades excellent prospects for excellent major leaguers while quickly restocking his farm system with more of the same level of talent he sent away. That’s the definition of a perfect GM in my eyes. Now I don’t feel the same way about his Trea Turner trade off. Getting Wil Myers in exchange was a huge miscalculation on Preller’s part. So you have to make sure when you deal top prospects you get good major leaguers in return. But no one’s perfect I guess.
Brew88
How do you feel about a GM who trades the farm for an AS and then turns around and dumps the AS because he didn’t realize he couldn’t afford to keep him (Soto). To me that’s the definition of a failing GM
winniejones31
The Padres had a good chance of getting to the World Series in 2022 with Soto. So Preller went for it. That’s not unheard of. Sure, it was possible that the Padres wouldn’t be able to afford Soto beyond his arbitration years. That’s okay IMO. At least he went for it all and came back strong in replenishing the farm system so quickly. I have zero issue in what Preller and the Padres did with Soto. The Padres have a lot of heavy contracts already. You can’t keep everybody. I understand this as a long-time Padres fan.
Brew’88
When they made the trade to the Nats they new they likely wouldnt extend Soto. But they traded for him for 2.3 years. Unlike you I’m not okay with they bailing on the plan and only getting 1.3 years for Abrams, Gore, Wood et al. I’d be insane to be okeydokey with that.
Javia135
Many commenters on here have mentioned that the Padres have been able to restock the farm after major prospect trades. That is true, but unfortunately it ends this year. Their 1st rd pick this year has dropped 10 places, their 2 competitive balance picks will be after the 4th rd instead of after the 1st, and they are losing both intl money and draft money. That makes rebuilding a lot harder. The Padres have to drop below the lux tax line this year and they know it.
Brew88
Apparently they didn’t know it when trading for Soto and when signing so many players to long term deals. But suddenly it dawns on them.
iverbure
The owner died. If the gm thinks the payroll is going to continue then the Soto trade isn’t as bad as it is in hindsight, if they knew they were going to jump payroll up big time for one year then sell the next it’s a bad plan but I don’t think that was the plan. I’m not making excuses for preller I think he’s a horrible gm but you can’t have a longterm plan without financial backing and longterm financial backing. Especially with the luxury tax penalties once you go over you have to commit to multiple years, which is why smart people said you can’t hotshot your way to a playoff spot.
Shadow_Banned
Padres getting some really good players for a cancerous mole.
Both the Yankees and Padres are morons for trading for Soto
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Padres at least had a couple years of control. Yankees only have one
rememberthecoop
You think he’s a bad clubhouse presence? Seriously, I never heard that. I know he won a WS with the Nats & Harper loved him.
Shadow_Banned
He doesn’t seem very coachable.
His .275 batting average anywhere close to Freeman, Betts, Ohtani, or acunas.
Deleted Userr
Not sure how much coaching you really do with Juan Soto. It’s pretty much “Whatever you were doing that was working, do more of that.”
Shadow_Banned
I just hate his attitude. If you’re gonna walk around like your top Dog you better have a .340 batting average.
Not a batting average closer to Chris Taylor’s.
damascusj
How do those things relate to each other
mlb1225
Well, idk about you, but .237 really isn’t close to .275. Soto was also up there with Freeman, Betts, Acuna in pretty much everything other than BA.
disadvantage
@shadow
What about my top Dog? Ok, ok, grammar aside…
he was top 3 in the MLB in OBP, top 5 in oWAR, top 10 in OPS, played in all 162 games, top 4 in RBI, leader in walks, hit 35 HR in a pitcher’s park… but it’s his batting average you’re concerned with?
iverbure
Batting average??? Imagine thinking you know a lot about the sport and using batting average to argue anything…
GooseGoslinGuy
“Harper loved him…” Is that an endorsement??? LOL! They were only together in 2018. Nats went 82-80. The next year Harper was gone and they won the title.
CyTobb
Absolutely agree…. Except the Yanks are getting two cancerous moles.
GooseGoslinGuy
Interesting comment.
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lol
James Midway
Well crap. This sucks. All those deep fly outs in Petco will now be 15 rows up. We get a bunch of mid prospects. Now flip them for Arrozarena.
VegasSDfan
You are misinformed, that’s a serious trade in our favor
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
A couple swingmen and/or #5 starters, a (promising) guy who has never pitched a starter’s workload, a prospect, and a backup catcher. Am I missing something? I don’t see a great return here. It’s solid but I wouldn’t call it a win.
The Pads lost 2/3 of their outfield. They filled 3/5 of their rotation with question marks. And let’s also reiterate that they lost their (very expensive) best hitter.
Simm
Prob is the pitching market is insane right now.
So that makes the value of these possible upside in king along with possible 5th starters worth a lot. You add in a good pitching prospect and they covered a lot of money they would have had to spend to get those things.
Plus the 33m in Soto salary this give the padres a ton of $$ value. At a time they had to do it or trade then entire farm system.
Brew88
The era of Seidler ended today.
SoCalBrave
The Yankees overpaid for Soto, not quite as much as the Padres did, but still an overpay for 1 year of Soto. Doesn’t seem like they knew they were just bidding against themselves.
That being said, the Padres are just getting a solid #3 SP in King for 2 years, 2 relievers/back of the rotation pitchers, a back up catcher and high ceiling Pitcher in Thorpe that is at least 1 or 2 years away.
Thorpe will be the key to how this trade will be looked at in the future
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
SoCal-AJ said last night that he could see Thorpe in the rotation by mid-season. He dominated in AA last year.
GooseGoslinGuy
If the Pads got seriously good pitchers, it may turn out to be a fine trade. Pitching wins games. Soto 25 and now with his third team.
Dbacks44
King is great gonna be a star.Yankees are stupid!
dave frost nhlpa
He’s 29 and hurt every year.
iml12
And hasn’t pitched over 104. People are acting like the padres got Max Scherzer in his prime. He’s Seth Lugos replacement . Nice player but nothing the Yankees can’t replace.
stymeedone
Yankees can’t replace him at that price. Lynn cost $12MM.
Simm
Seth lugo is about to sign for some good money. Plus kings upside is higher than Lugo’s. Think you are undervaluing a guy like lugo.
gojira15
Yankees need him. They need the big splash. I have to believe they will resign him next offseason as well.
NewYorkSoxFan
Martian is a good fallback option
Braves Butt-Head
Well the Padres got a good return on a team bidding against themselves.
Braves83
Yeah strange how much NY seemed like they painted themselves into a corner with Soto. Yamamoto next!
Moneyballer
The yankees were bidding against themselves not the padres.
morgannyy 2
Sorry, but Pads gave up way more than they got for Soto!
MC Tim C
Well that’s not surprising considering the Padres traded for him a season and a half ago. The longer you are able to have a player the more value you have to give up.
melfman1
Of course, they traded for three possible cracks at Championships. Yankees are trading for one shot.
rememberthecoop
Well yes, because they had an extra year plus of control.
VegasSDfan
Such as who?
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
morgan — But they also got a year and a third of Soto. You left that part out.
Brew88
Both GMs should be fired
foppert1
Good get, Yankees. Enjoy.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I’m just concerned about Judge having to play centerfield full-time and keeping him healthy. Was he playing CF in Los Angeles when he busted his toe ?? Also worried about Yankees pitching depth now because Rodon & Cortes aren’t exactly iron men out there.
Keena
It won’t matter, who plays where in the outfield, by May. All three will be hurt, and Yankee fans will be calling for Bret Gardener to come out of retirement. Mark my words.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
Curmudgeon say what?
rememberthecoop
Damn, I was hoping that when talks stalled, maybe the Cubs could swoop in to replace the lefty bat of Bellinger. Good job by the Yankees. I think he will be very motivated since it’s his walk year. He could put up monster numbers.
Spaced-Cowboy
42.5 HR +/-, what’s your take.
rememberthecoop
45-50
VegasSDfan
45+
GooseGoslinGuy
You know, Soto has a lot of power to left and he likes to drive it there, but Yankee Stadium’s left field is less reachable than most. I wonder if there is a period of adjustment for him. If he just starts pulling everything, who knows how many he could hit.
Simm
I saw a stat last night Soto hit 35 homers last year. 27 of them would have been homers in Yankees stadium. Now it didn’t say how many homers he didn’t have that would have been.
Four4fore
Bellinger probably stays in Chicago now.
99CaptainJudge99
Yeah probably because nobody wants to play for the San Francisco Giants except for Arson Judge & gfan!
rememberthecoop
I don’t see that happening. Boras wants like 8 years, 250M. Hoyer won’t do that.He had a good season but it was still just one, after two where he was unplayable. Big risk.
winniejones31
The Cubs need Bellinger’s bat if they expect to have any shot of contending with the Cardinals IMO. I like the Cardinals to win the Central in 2024 pretty easily.
178iq
What are the chances he has a solid year? Why sell a golden goose?
truthlemonade
“What are the chances he has a solid year?”
Very high chance he has a solid year. SD just couldn’t afford him.
YourDreamGM
Chances are terrible. If healthy someone who has put up hall of fame numbers and is in the prime of their career and in a free agent year should put up above average, good, great, all star or mvp numbers. Solid would be incredibly surprising.
Huck 3
Good for the Yankees, and sounds like a decent return for the Padres. May he do well in the Bronx, and still move to Queens starting in ’25. LGM!
winniejones31
That’s how I feel. I hope Soto has a monster year for the Yanks. And I’m happy with the return we got when so many “experts” were saying Preller was asking for too much. Good job Preller.
titanic struggle
Insanity..
Chuck from Uniontown
Too bad the Yankees just had their farm system decimated in the rule 5 and they are reeling. If you’re impressed by my well informed opinions I’ll let you in on a secret, I read the comments on MLBTR.com
adkuchan
Congratulations! That means you’re qualified to be the GM of the Oakland Athletics. Good luck to you, sir.
Dbacks44
Free agent year. He will bat 320 with 50 hrs. Then suck after the big contract
Yanks2
He’s had great numbers his entire career
iml12
One of the top 5 hitters in baseball. The Yankees middle of the order is going to be scary.
stymeedone
But their offense is only one player deeper. They are still bad defensively. They lack pitching depth. Only difference is Soto will sell tickets.
99CaptainJudge99
He doesn’t have to play in right field in every game either. Everyone is there to watch that beautiful swing at Yankee Stadium, not to see him win a gold glove out there.
GooseGoslinGuy
He is not that bad a fielder. He needs to work on it more probably.
Simm
Soto is a bad fielder. Source my eye balls and every stat.
bcjd
That’s quite a haul the Yankees gave up for just one year of Soto. Worth it? Time will tell.
differentbears
Exclusive negotiating rights for an extension, which admittedly isn’t much more on top. But they can try, at least.
Doug
Soto, then Yamamoto…get ‘er done Cashman!
pbow51
This needed to happen. This is a George Steinbrenner type move.
rct
Right. This is a vintage Yankee move.
truthlemonade
I am a Padres fan and I don’t really want Kyle Higashioka I would much rather resign Gary Sanchez.
ACK
Agreed. I like the deal for the Padres even more if they could have kept Grisham and the Yankees kept Higashioka.
Simm
The padres are going to go after Lee. He wants to play canter so they cleared a spot.
winniejones31
I hope the Padres do sign the Korean CF Lee but if not I’d like them to trade for Garrett Mitchell of Milwaukee. Getting both players would be excellent.
Brew88
If there is anything we learned from yesterday it’s that the Pads do in fact have financial restraints and do not plan to operate as they did under Peter Seidler. So don’t get your hopes up for a splashy FA signing like Lee.
winniejones31
Too late. My hopes are up that we sign the Korean CF. After that we could deal from a surplus of CF prospects for more pitching and major league ready OF’s.
Brew’88
Okay winnie, do appreciate your positivity
ssowl
Higgy is going to be their backup and he is an excellent backup catcher.
melfman1
Sanchez can still be re-signed as a DH type and emergency catcher. They cleared the payroll space now.
VegasSDfan
It may give the Padres better negotiating right with Sanchez now
Brew88
The Padres can’t afford Sanchez. Todays trade tells us Acee was correct, there are major financial restraints
NewYorkSoxFan
Preller should be fired just from the amount he gave up for Soto, the results of that team he put together and now this bitter ending. I do believe this is a fair trade for both sides considering the $ and one year contract but the Padres gave up their future for basically nothing.
dmp13
It’s not Soto’s fault the rest of the lineup stunk it up and had historically bad RISP numbers
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
But if Peter Seidler was telling Preller to go for it and don’t worry about tomorrow, which is quite possible, then it just is what it is.
Brew88
Well said NewYorkSoxFan. He traded those guys for Soto through 24, but bailed a year too soon
winniejones31
I do not agree. Any time you can trade for a young MLB top five player with prospects you have to do it. And then to see how well Preller has restocked the system is absolutely phenomenal. I don’t understand why people aren’t talking about that.
Brew88
I supported the trade to the Nats at the time. Have applauded the rapid restocking of the farm. I’m shocked they suddenly bailed on the Nats Soto trade however, what a monumental fail and sudden shift in plans due to what should have been foreseen financial limitations. That’s on Preller.
winniejones31
I’d love to be able to keep everyone. Especially a Soto. But there comes a point where the rest of the roster begins to hurt with so many huge long-term contracts already on the books. They went for it all in 2023 with the Bogaerts signing. Was it a good add for a World Series push in 2023? I think so. Didn’t work out so well but I still believe it was a good baseball move even though it meant we definitely couldn’t afford to extend Soto into the future. Preller and the Padres ownership were thinking WIN NOW more than they were about the future…no doubt. But it could work out if the Padres hitters perform better than they did in 2023. That’s not a tall ask IMO. .
Brew’88
It didn’t come to a point, they were just starting having signed all those long-term contracts and I for one gave them the benefit of doubt that they knew what they were doing. The plan was to be financially stable through those long-term contracts. Now they’re already at the point of selling off their commitments due to apparently unforeseen financial constraints. Even you have mentioned trading Cronz. Should they trade Manny and Tatis?
It’s all so sad (from a bad management standpoint), no matter how you spin it. The Pads should be apologizing to you, not you on behalf of them.
Joel P
Seems like the Padres should be getting Florial back in the deal. Yankees don’t really need him and Padres could use him.
its_happening
Yankees have had a good week so far. Verdugo, now Soto.
Yanks2
Verdugo is definitely getting traded before the season starts
Wrian Washman
That better not be the case, left handed contact is what that lineup needs.
Begamin
I think Verdugo is a stand in until Jasson comes back
NachoFries421
Every year the Yanks need pitchers and every year they dont get any pitchers. They need to trade or sign solid pitchers.
Yanks2
They also need bats as their offense is probably the worst with RISP. Soto helps that
brooklyn62
Ha ha…Stanton and Rodon have a new teammate to join them on IL! Maybe Soto can point out the hot MRI techs!
The Rooster
Soto never gets hurt. He plays 150+ games a year.
brooklyn62
Wait for it…
User 401527550
Soto didn’t miss a single game last year.
Wrian Washman
A Met fan of all people attempting to make a successful Juan Soto trade a negative. You guys have the worst little brother syndrome and are extremely loud for a franchise that quite frankly hasn’t had much more success than your cross town rivals this century. (Or ever)
brooklyn62
We’ll see how successful it turns out. Come talk to me mid season.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
You made a silly prediction. Yankee fans have the right to go after you., You opened the door to that.
Michael Handsman
yep , guys like soto, ripken and gherig spend their time on the IL
brooklyn62
Looooong way to go before Soto is comparable to Ripken and Gehrig,my friend. Remember, Mike Trout played 4 consecutive years of 150+ games in his mid 20s…
CardsFan57
I like this trade for the Yankees. They needed offense and a good centerfield glove.
rememberthecoop
He’s not going to play center. No chance. He’s pretty poor defensively. Better off as a DH actually.
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I’m assuming OP is referring to Grisham in CF
rememberthecoop
Ah, gotcha. Sure seemed like he was talking about Soto. Sure, Grisham is solid defensively.
filihok
rtc
“Sure seemed like he was talking about Soto”
Didn’t seem like that at all, no
CardsFan57
Grisham is a good centerfielder. He’s coming with Soto.
Brew88
Grish is a GG CF
Yankeesfan23
Think he meant Grisham
Brew88
Grisham is a GG CF
kidfavre4
In addition to this move? Soto has never played in center in the MLB.
titanic struggle
That’s hysterical! Because the Spankees are some sort of heir to the throne of baseball?! Screw them…wait,they just screwed themselves..
conquerbeard
…what?
Begamin
brain rot copium
TellItGoodbye
Snore. Soto is about as exciting as, uh, the Winter Meetings. He walks a lot. Wow. How amazing. I didn’t get it the last time when he was referred to as a “once in a generation talent”, and I don’t get it now. He’s good. He’s very good. He’s not iconic. But he is tremendously boring.
YourDreamGM
Juan Soso
Michael Handsman
If the 3rd best hitter in baseball bores you, maybe watch a different channel ,
married at first sight?
Matthew De Lorge
You did see the stat that has him as a projected all time great, right? His OPS numbers are Ted Williams like., so what are you smoking?
So, so far in his career he is a top 10-15 ALL TIME hitter. SO boring!
Salzilla
100% on point. He is a star, but an absolutely boring star.
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huh.
iverbure
Tell me you don’t understand current baseball without telling me you don’t understand current baseball.
JackStrawb
Tell us you overrate a 5 WAR DH without telling us you don’t understand baseball.
iverbure
Hit a nerve with someone. Someone is mad online lol.
GooseGoslinGuy
Acuna is your generational talent, I would say. Soto was #2 to him in the 2018 ROY voting. And that is how they will probably stay. But Soto can be a terror with his bat, and he is due for even bigger numbers.
Brew88
I would still rate Tatis as better than Soto, hope Preller doesn’t trade him too in the budget reduction process.
BrianStrowman9
Tatis is the one who could be moved if their payroll constraints are really that bad.
I doubt they’re to that point but you can’t move Bogey Or Machado without eating cash on those deals. Darvish falls into that bucket also. I think Kim could possibly be available. Won’t save a ton but $10MM is $10MM.
Brew’88
Tatis could be moved easiest because every team in the league would jump at the chance. The Pads would need to be in full fire sale, like never seen in sports, to move him as his contract is one the most team-friendly in sports.
Comrade Tipsy McBlotto
We are talking about Juan Soto, not Neftali Soto. I understand the mixup.
Begamin
copium
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
This is a zesty acquisition for the Yankees
goastros123
What happens to Dominguez?
terry g
Nothing. He’s out until mid season due to surgery. Soto and Verdugo are free agents after this season.
pd14athletics
I’m not sure when he’s be cleared to play the OF being he is coming back from TJ. Yankees will lose both Verdugo and Soto unless they resign one or both in FA, so Dominguez just slides back in the OF in 2025. If he’s cleared to play OF before then, maybe Grisham is flipped at deadline?
JackStrawb
Not a thing. When he returns, if he’s healthy, one of Grisham or Verdugo sits a lot more—or gets dealt.
kidfavre4
Absolute fleecing by the Padres. Bravo.
JackStrawb
Not a fleecing, but they clearly won the deal.
Don’t overrate Brito and Vasquez—both will be fortunate to warrant the #5 slot.
niel.marshal
3 pitching prospect for 1 year service of Juan Soto? Damn, Yankee got fleeced
Murphy NFLD
Hopfully they felt the need to do this because my jays are signing Ohtani to a 12 year 580 million dollar contract, but i doubt it.
marlinsfan818
All this to finish 3rd how the F is Boone not canned yet?
Wrian Washman
Because Boone doesn’t make the trades and FA signings.
niel.marshal
Well, last year they do sign one top 50 FA in Rodon.
BostonDave
I think they could still flip Verdugo. I thought he might go to the Padres in the deal.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
I’m hoping the Yankees cleaned out some of their prospects and don’t get an extension done. Then Daddy Steve opens up his pocketbook for Soto next offseason.
Human Being
I think the Yankees gave up way too much for a one year contract. These prospects should have been part of the Yankees future.
MC Tim C
Dang I really thought my Pirates would be the ones to land him. He’s the missing piece to a title run.
YourDreamGM
Pirates fans would rather see Cutch in rf over Soto.
edwardk64
It’s ok, Dream. They have that “all star combo” of Suwinski/Bae in CF. Who needs another star salary?
YourDreamGM
It’s Suwinski Joe (get your facts straight) put up close to 2022 Soto numbers. Don’t think they can ever reach 2023 Soto but give me the 30 million and keep my prospects. And Pirates don’t even have a King to offer them.
Bucsfan4ever
No way the Bucos need an overrated prima donna for one season. Soto has always been over rated. It was even claimed he was better than Acuna. What were those guys smoking who claimed that??
JackStrawb
In fairness, as of 2021 Soto’s defensive shortcomings were largely concealed.
He doesn’t seem very bright—I’d be interested to learn why he declined so quickly in the OF.
Human Being
Maybe they will flip him like Braves did with Marco?
TotalitarianBaseball
Rockstar GM does it again!
southi
Huge deal with a lot of parts. Over the long-term a big win for the Padres in my book.
Hired Gun 23
I love how the writer tried to reword the update. They go from saying too much to borrowing the work of others. Hahaha…I like it!
CrikesAlready
He was NOT a clutch player. Taking a walk with no out and runners on 2nd & 3rd may have kept his average up, but…
Preller sucks, maybe these new players won’t suck like Preller does.
CyTobb
This is so true. He plays like a leadoff guy who can’t run…. We’ll see how the Yankees fans like it when he’s hitting fourth and 2/3 of the time he’s up with RISP he takes a walk.
JackStrawb
If Soto takes a walk 2/3 of the time in any situation, take it. Judge will be coming up behind him.
TellItGoodbye
Except when Judge is on the IL, as per his usual.
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Sky14
No brainer for the Yankees. Thorpe is interesting but not a very exciting package.
desertdawg
Who ever is going to sign Soto in 2025, I see a 12 yr. 575mil dollar contract he is going to ask for., especially with Boras as his agent.
baseballhistory
Soto won’t get close to the 440m that he turned down with the Nats.
YankeesBleacherCreature
He made $23MM and will make $33MM in ’24. That totals $53MM. $384MM/13 years = ~$29.5MM/yr.
At 26, when he becomes a free agent, you don’t think he can easily get at least $400MM/10 years which already tops the money from the Nats’ contract offer? He took a huge risk but it looks like the gamble will pay off very handsomely.
JackStrawb
10/400m will be very foolish, particularly if he puts up another 3.9 fWAR, as in 2022.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Do you mean like Mookie Betts’ career worst 3.9 in 2021? And then follows up with 6.6 and 8.3 and is 6 years older than Soto.
GooseGoslinGuy
He’ll only get it because someone will pay it. He is overrated. His half a billion payout will not translate to titles.
Shawn W.
Walk on
nosake
I regret losing Grisham but am glad Soso is gone.
Say Hey what?
Soto has never hit well in Petco. 482 PA of 231/374/409. Friendly home park + walk year = big numbers. Yanks have a deep farm so why not make the deal?
Brew88
Yanks don’t have a deep farm, its ranked lower tier in baseball, now even more depleted
BrianStrowman9
The Yankees did have deep pitching depth on the farm. Not deep top prospect pitching depth. They had a lot of Brito/Vazquez type prospects.
Brew88
Ok, they have a decent crop of lower level pitching depth I can see
BrianStrowman9
Yeah. They do well grabbing guys like that in the international market. They still have some depth arms for the season. They really need to add a SP though.
ArianaGrandSlam
Glad the owner is taking things very seriously, probably ready to dump Stanton, too even if that ends up having to eat most of his salary. Stanton will want to be traded since he knows he’ll have a lot less playing time anyway.
GooseGoslinGuy
Stanton’s Yankee tenure has certainly been a disappointment. His contract is through 2028 (approx. $143M), and, interestingly, from ’26-’28, the Marlins are picking up $10M each of those years. Plus, he’s 34. Who’s gonna pay him the rest of that if he leaves?
Camden453
Padres win the trade because they get young pitching. Plus two of the arms are already proven in the major leagues. Thorpe is a very, very good prospect. Probably top 10. Plus they get King
All for one year of Soto. One hitter never moves the needle much
Losing 4 pitchers with 3 of them being 25 and below makes the Yankees organization worse
A single bat, even if it’s MVP caliber, does not make a dramatic difference
If they can sign him long term then it makes more sense. But still, losing 4 pitchers like that sets the organization back. Young pitching is the rarest commodity
Deleted Userr
Trading CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, James Wood, RH3 and Jarlin Susana for these scrubs is not “winning the trade.”
GooseGoslinGuy
For the record: Hassell and Susana still have a lot to prove. Wood has raked bigtime for most of his minor league stint but there was a slight hiccup in AA in ’23. But no doubt, if they all come through well developed, the Nats will have done very well indeed.
cptncha
a MVP bat doesn’t move the needle much? huh?? also just because they are under 25 doesn’t mean they will be very good. half those pitchers are back of the rotation guys at best.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I am worried for the Yankees because they are losing a lot of pitching depth, but ultimately I’m thinking Vasquez & Brito are going to be pretty mid…swing-men, long reliever types. Thorpe is a lottery ticket. And King seems to be the most established one. Overall it’s a blah trade for both sides.
Brew88
Thorpe becomes the 5th or 6th ranked SP prospect in Padres org, so he’ll find it difficult to crack the ML team
Begamin
“A single bat, even if it’s MVP caliber, does not make a dramatic difference”
Read this out loud and ask yourself if it makes sense. How tf would an MVP not make a difference? Itd be quite literally the most value.
You still have time to delete this comment.
just_thinkin
Goofy
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Welp, I will sit back and watch people who wanted Soto for their team act like the Yankees getting Soto is the dumbest move of all time and these Quadruple A/6th starters/unproven minor league prospects were the Yankees mortgaging their future.
It’s a good, fair deal.
Padres get a ton of solid role players so they aren’t gutted or anything like that, they get pitching, which is always valuable.
Higgy was on the outs on the Yankees anyway.
Michael King seems like a high upside guy who will have a good career but won’t become the middle to near top of rotation starter so many people seem to think he’s destined to become- he gets injured too easily for that.
Vazquez had some early luck, but enough times around the league and experiences from other teams with him and his numbers will come back down to earth. He’ll be a fine pitcher but he wasn’t a must keep.
The other prospects are just that- prospects. Unproven with upside. No way of knowing for sure. Lottery tickets.
Soto is proven. He’s dependable. Virtually predictable. And very valuable. And needed.
Yankees have a very solid outfield now, have some of that left handed power they’re always in desperate need of.
I don’t see any problems here.
JohnFisher’s$1BlumpkinSpecial
Yankees have a stacked outfield now. Also, top 3 ugliest outfields of all time. Having Judge and Soto in the outfield grass will at least double the team’s baby ruth budget, big-headed sloth looking mufuggers
Brew88
I.e., the Pads didn’t get much for Soto
JackStrawb
TTO, if you believe Soto is predictable that suggests he’ll put up another 4-5 fWAR season in 2024 (which sounds right). For $33m he doesn’t have much surplus value, particularly not for 15 years of controllable pitching, two pitchers of which have real upside.
Grisham makes the deal closer, and his value is underestimated here, but he locks up the Yankees OF nicely and lets them deal Verdugo if they want.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I think the Yankees offer more line up protection, I think Yankee stadium is more friendly to his swing, I think that will bump his production and his WAR by 1 or more points and so you’re looking at a 6.5 WAR player and suddenly he’s basically back at his peak value from a few seasons ago.
Also, JackStrawb- Fangraphs, which generates that fWAR projection/determination, projects a 6.6 WAR for Soto in 2024 on the Yankees, which means at $33M he still will provide surplus value.
And the Yankees took Grisham for a bunch of reasons, one of which was salary and roster relief by instance of the Padres and the Yankees probably didn’t go pick up Verdugo just to replace him with Grisham. Grisham is a late inning/give the starters a rest day in games that don’t matter as much depth piece.
Verdugo is one of the two left handed bats the Yankees wanted to go out and pick up- Soto being the other one.
Deleted Userr
Pathetic. Absolutely unacceptable. They trade the biggest prospect package ever sent out in a single trade for one guy only to dump him for less than half of what they gave up 16 months later???? And they didn’t even get Jasson Dominguez out of it????
Viveleempireevil
They needed to make up for 600 innings of lost starting pitching. And the financial difficulties including the potential loss of their regional sports network. And the death of their owner. A.J. did the best he could.
Deleted Userr
@Viveleempireevil…
“They needed to make up for 600 innings of lost starting pitching.”
Well maybe they should have thought of that before they traded MacKenzie Gore and other assets that could have been traded to add starting pitching!
” A.J. did the best he could.”
No. He didn’t. Trading all that prospect capital for one guy only to dump that one guy 16 months later is not doing the best he could. He is the head of baseball ops for a team in the highest league on the planet. This is a dereliction of duty.
Brew88
It’s because of AJ’s roster building that they ended up having financial difficulties, hold this GM responsible, for once.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
They were NEVER getting Jasson Dominguez. Never. Nobody was getting Dominguez.
And they reloaded on decent prospects and ready to go role players at the major league level.
And they got about $30M overall in salary relief.
This was a fair deal.
Deleted Userr
According to BTV Michael King is more valuable. Of COURSE they could have gotten Dominguez. And for my money he’s the one guy they should have targeted. They traded a future All Star outfielder in Wood for Soto. Why not get one back?
Simm
He was worth about 30-40% of what they traded to get him. He has 1 playoff run or possible run.
This is an about fair for a single year he has left.
Obviously the padres trading for Soto was a bad trade looking back. Of course anything short of a World Series or extending him was going to go down as a bad trade.
Both of those outcomes were a long shot.
Didn’t work out, they were a .500 team with Soto so now they reset and move forward.
El Niño
The nationals got a light hitting shortstop and a mid-rotation starter. Hassell regressed and woods strikeout rate is atrocious. Susana is nothing at this point. Prospects are just prospects.
Deleted Userr
Ok. If prospects are just prospects why don’t they give them back to us for… idk, Ha-Seong Kim?
El Niño
Remember when Joe Addell was the next hall of famer? Untouchable, best prospect EVER!! lol
Deleted Userr
You didn’t answer my question. If prospects are just prospects why don’t the Nats give those dudes back to us for Ha-Seong Kim?
El Niño
That’s a dumb hypothetical. That’s why I’m not answering. There was a point when people thought Gore was the next kershaw – now you’re lucky if you get a reliable starter out of him.
Deleted Userr
Exactly! The Nats better trade James Wood back to us before he turns into future Hall of Famer Rob Refsnyder!
El Niño
You like to dream on prospects. That’s cool – do you.
Deleted Userr
So does every front office in baseball.
El Niño
LOL. Are you really comparing your fantasy guerilla suit dreams to a mob front office? Hahahahahaha
GooseGoslinGuy
Abrams has the look of a star. He just turned 23, and he hit 18 HRs and stole 47 bases. He is still refining at SS, but has a cannon for an arm. Gore will be a frontline starter in ’24, presuming he stays healthy. You’re right about the others but they may yet make it. Too early to say. The Nats did well in that trade, and improved by 16 games in ’23. Suddenly, not having the burden of having to care for and feed a Soto looks like a good position to be in.
BrianStrowman9
Gore was sliding down all prospects lists before he was traded.
I don’t like this revisionist history of him still being considered a future ace.
Fangraphs dropped him from a 60 or 65 FV at his peak to a 50FV before he was dealt. They look to have given a correct scouting report.
Brew88
I don’t think Gore was a prospect when he was dealt. He was in the Padres rotation at MLB level, doing quite well.
Brew88
pure and simple monumental fail, fire Preller now
Basehit88
Ridiculous trade for the Yankees. Trade Cashman please, instead of the farm. He has a history of losing talent for injuries and fat swanes. See Montgomery, Stanton, Montas, etc.
So finally, trade Cashman.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Welcome to NY, Juan!!!
Camden453
This return is way better than what the Nationals got for him
YourDreamGM
How so?
YourDreamGM
I will play devil’s advocate and say that getting the #6 and #3 overall picks in their draft who were unanimous top 100 50 25 maybe even 10 prospects. 2 top 100 prospect outfielders. Was the better return. I won’t even count the young electric arm because Josh Bell brought something back. 1 of the outfielders and the Bell arm aren’t looking as promising but still.
Camden453
Gore, Abrams, and Voit don’t really matter and were just throw ins
It was basically Hassell, Wood, and Susana for Soto
Those were not very good prospects. Hassell will not hit for any power and Wood will likely never pan out. Susana probably won’t pan out either
There’s way more upside with Thorpe plus Brito and Vazquez are already proven and 25 and under. Plus you get an elite bullpen arm in King, only 29, was the #1 reliever in baseball before the injury
Deleted Userr
Gore and Abrams were throw ins? Are you making this s**t up as you go along????
Brew88
Abrams 3.4 WAR 18 HRs 47 SB a wizard defensively at age 22. Think again Cam
GooseGoslinGuy
“Only 29”? Hmmmm… another year and King is 30, with a 13-17 lifetime W-L. His metrics look decent but his overall profile is skimpy. And before you know it, he WILL be 30. The Nats got two players (well, three, if you include Voit) who could play right away, plus three more with potential. We shall see what those pitchers from the Yankees can do. For the moment, I think the Nats did better than the Pads with Soto.
Deleted Userr
LOL
iml12
Oh boy
El Niño
As of right now the nationals got a light hitting shortstop (let’s see how he does in year 2) and a mid rotation starter. Let’s see how these guys fair for the padres.
YourDreamGM
But he’s still a SS and not that light hitting. Not every ss is arod seager. And stole how many bases? Not just a mid rotation starter but a left handed mid rotation starter.
We can wait to see how they fair for the Padres but King better be awfully special having only 2 years of control vs 6 to 6 and 2 thirds for Nats guys. Thorpe can turn out to be a ace but Wood and at time of the trade Hassle was a high upside prospect as well.
El Niño
I’m a fan of CJ Abrams – let’s just wait before we crown that “the biggest haul of all time” or whatever hyperbole they want to throw out.
Camden453
Hassell is another CF/OF that won’t hit for any power. There are tons of those guys everywhere
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Not seeing it. Vazquez/Brito are going to be Ross Stripling/Mitch White types. Thorpe is a lottery ticket. King’s ceiling is a 3rd or 4th starter, but maybe not.
jhomeslice
All depends on whether they extend Soto if this will wind up a good trade for the Yankees. King could be a very good starting pitcher, and the Yankees don’t have a surplus. That hurts. He had a fantastic 13K game against the Jays down the stretch, so he really does have potential. I doubt the Yanks are World Series bound just yet, they need more than one year of Soto to make the trade pay off for them.
I would put the odds at very high that their plan is to extend him, knowing full well the price tag. Yanks haven’t won in a while and want to change that. Glad to hear the trade announced, maybe now this utterly boring offseason can start to get going.
Deleted Userr
@jhomeslice Just out of curiosity If they don’t extend Soto but they win the 2023 WS and Soto wins WS MVP will you think it was a good trade for the Yankees?
jhomeslice
Of course, duh. I think those things are unlikely, but sure, if Soto leaves after 2024 but they win the WS, suffice it to say any team would take a World Series win no matter what they gave in a trade.
I hardly think this puts them over the top, but imagine they are going to be active this winter, and could have a pretty good team again by opening day. They really, really need Yamamoto if they want to be serious WS contenders next year, my opinion. Could happen.
Deleted Userr
@jhomeslice Well winning a WS in 2024 was precisely why the Yanks traded for Soto. There is no other reason. I don’t wanna hear about “gaining the inside track on an extension.” Time and time again it has been proven that no such thing exists.
jhomeslice
@thelegend No matter what moves they make, would be very tough for them to win the 2023 WS by the way. I’ll give them a shot at 2024 though. : )
TrillionaireTeamOperator
The idea that they’d trade all that *potential* talent and proven role players for Soto only to treat him as a rental seems unlikely.
I also doubt the Yankees will try to low ball him.
If I am the Yankees/Steinbrenner/Cashman I am saying to Boras right now:
“Look, we all know you want a bidding war for Soto, to maximize his free agency contract. That’s how it goes, it’s part of the game. But we are one of those teams that make the highest bids for guys like Soto, and then we are the team that if we really want a guy, we will go an extra year and an extra couple million a year to get him. So let’s cut the bull of that process, play out how that would go and make that deal now so we can all move on. Starting bids will be at around 10 years/$350M to 14 years/$470M. You’ll be looking for bids in the AAV range of $40M and hoping to top 10 years. We want to offer you 12 years/$495M on top of 1 year/$35M for your final season of arbitration. Total value: 13 years/$530M. You are not going to get a bigger offer than that, even if you get offers that virtually match it. Also if the moon were made of cheese, would you eat it? We know we would. Just say yes and we’ll move on.”
Deleted Userr
@TrillionaireTeamOperator Why would they not do that? He’s a 25 y/o future Hall of Famer represented by Scott Boras and the only reason he was traded the first 2 times was BECAUSE he refused to sign an extension.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
That offer by the Nats was an insult, even by my standards. They offered him essentially $29M a year as a guy who the market has clearly stated would be worth close to if not more than $40M a year.
Even if he was willing to give a preferred team a discount, that discount on $40M a year would still have to only drop down to like $38M a season. I am guessing if the Nats had offered him 15 years/$530M he would have signed. It would have represented a fair value for him.
$29.333M a season would have been an extremely team friendly deal. If he had signed that deal, everybody would have commented on how he was leaving over $100M or more on the table.
Why do that in a free market with free agency so close and age on his side, moreso than most?
Padres probably weren’t prepared to go to $38M or more a season and viewed him as a rental no matter what or hoped he’d sign a similarly team friendly deal if they won it all after going all in and he wanted to stick around for the chance to contend on a dynasty, for Machado’s $30M AAV- which wasn’t gonna happen.
JackStrawb
The Yankees will deserve what they get, giving more than Trout money when Trout was at his peak and a 10 WAR player, to Soto, a 5 WAR player.
Pay more to a player half as valuable? Soto is easily the most overrated player in baseball.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
A few things:
1) Its been nearly 6 years since the Trout extension- that’s not a meaningless gap of time when it comes to salaries going up, even if salary inflation was nominal.
2) Baseball salary inflation has been astronomical in general over the past couple of years
3) Trout was a few years older.when he got his *second* extension, when it was preemptive.and unnecessary and an overpay at the time.
4) Let’s assume Soto’s value ranges between 4.0 WAR and 8.0 WAR for the bulk of the rest of his career. That’s a 6.0 WAR average and at $8.5M per WAR, that’s a $51M WAR value for him, so $40M a year would still be reasonable and a mild $2.834M increase in AAV over the supposedly most valuable player of all time, which would be mild, to put it mildly.
WeeWoo
Padres got a ton of IP in this trade, and I don’t see anyone but the Yankees signing Soto next season, regardless of where he played in 2024.
Seems like a win-win.
Deleted Userr
If they wanted IP maybe they should have thought of that before they traded MacKenzie Gore!
JackStrawb
They didn’t. Both Brito and Vasquez had FIPs around 5.00, consistent with their minor league stats. They’re #6 starters, if that. This is King and Thorpe. 2 years of the former, 6 years of the latter.
PinstripedPride
WE GOT HIM! Finally it’s done! I cannot wait to see Soto do the shuffle and mash bombs in pinstripes.
Definitely sucks we had to give up both King and Thorpe though. I had been hoping we’d already have Yamamoto to bolster the pitching staff and negate this loss. Gotta get a starter for sure.
Also, like some others above, I’m feeling like Verdugo will get traded before the season. I simply cannot see Judge in center non-stop, especially with lingering concerns about health. Kiermaier or Lee next?
larkraxm
Dude! The Yankees targeted Verdugo and made a rare trade with Boston on purpose. Grisham is coming with Soto. That is the four outfielder rotation. Grisham and Verdugo share center.
PinstripedPride
Verdugo is not a natural center fielder! I’m pretty sure he was acquired as insurance just in case other moves didn’t pan out. I’m honestly hoping he gets traded because I want Lee or Kiermaier.
larkraxm
I know. I think they hope Grisham can hit a little bit more and make most of the starts in center, as he is one of the best defensive CF in MLB. Verdugo is not a starter, hopefully. Ideally, he is the fourth outfielder. An Aaron hicks upgrade. He could also obviously start for a period of time if/when a starter needs time off. Mid-season Dominguez returns and then maybe CF looks different down the stretch. I know you want him to be traded, but they did not make a rare trade inside the division with their most hated rival “to flip” a player. I’m not in love with it either, brother, but it is what happened.
GooseGoslinGuy
Who is Lee?
PinstripedPride
Jung Hoo Lee, the KBO center fielder who waa just posted.
vivalosdoyers
Doesn’t SD need to win now? They gave up all those prospects and bloated contracts for this
Brew88
@vivalosdoyers. Win now isn’t demonstrated by their actions today, in fact they sent a message to rest of NL west that they were stepping back due to real financial restrictions
winniejones31
The Padres were counting on the TV revenue from Bally’s I believe. Then the rug was pulled from under them when Bally’s went bankrupt. Stuff happens.
Brew88
Wrong evaluation, they didn’t lose revenue on the Ballys situation.
winniejones31
Weren’t the Padres counting on that TV money?
Brew’88
Bally’s bailed but MLB stepped in. Werent they on TV and didn’t those televised games have commercials? They didn’t lose $,
DODGER JR
Typical Padre move. Empty out the farm system to get Soto, team underperforms then trade Soto away for prospects. Padres will once again be bottom feeders in the West.
El Niño
So you’re saying you don’t know anything about farm systems.
winniejones31
Exactly. The Padres have a very good farm system. They did even before adding Drew Thorpe to it. It’s got to be close to top 5 now. No?
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Yup. I’d say this deal makes it top 5 for sure. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if AJ pulls off another blockbuster for someone like Burnes by dealing from it.
Brew88
Given now clarified budget constraints, I don’t think the Pads can afford Burnes
Camden453
Whoever gets the young pitching, wins. And the Padres just got three pitchers 25 and under plus King
The Mets could not even get a single young pitcher for either Verlander or Scherzer. That’s how highly prized pitching prospects are
Even if they’re not high end pitchers it doesn’t matter. You’re still adding young pitching
Frankie Bani
But,,Stanton is outfield,,,is going to get hurt sitting
acoss13
Congratulations to Yankees fans he’s everything you need. A left-handed bat that can get on base, drive in runs and not strikeout a ton of times. I think you guys are about to see the best version of Juan Soto yet.
I’m predicting a slash line of 300/430/520 with 40 homers and 110 RBIs. Yes he can’t field, but you’ll have two other fielders to shield him from his subpar defense.
GooseGoslinGuy
If they’re that worried about his fielding, he’ll be an awesome DH, with Verdugo, Grisham, and Judge, left to right. But Soto always looked competent in the field when playing in DC. Did he regress to terrible?
Brew88
Soto is below ave LFer but that’s being greatly exaggerated in comments here. he’s certainly good enough to not be relegated to DH
winniejones31
I hope so. That would be good for baseball.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
So the next question is:
Do the Padres go for a full tear down and rebuild and try to move Machado for other teams’ prospects, despite the recent extension on top of the original contract?
vivalosdoyers
Not many teams will want Machado through 2033.
iml12
Darvish, Machado and Xander contracts are not getting moved without a ton of money being sent by the Padres. That Darvish extension was just bad. It turns out signing guys to really long contracts to save a few million on aav might not have been the greatest strategy. Even that tatis contract was stupid. They gave him full market value. He would still be going arbitration making nothing right now with his injuries and ring worm.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
LOL Yeah that Tatis contract is looking worse and worse and the real money is a few years away from kicking in, right!?
Then again…. he was basically back and healthy last year and produced 5.5 WAR, so he might actually live up to the deal.
One of the issues with these deals is that they are signed and then fans/teams expect these players to be unbreakable superman of perfect baseball skill and then if they are that, they’re considered underpaid and if they aren’t that, they’re considered albatrosses, when the truth is in the unexciting unsexy middle.
Tatis earned his money last year in 2023 and would still be worth his extension if it was worked out today. If he can stay relatively healthy with only a few missed games per season and only 1 or 2 lost seasons in a worst case scenario, he will have lived up to that deal.
So it’s not like it was a bad deal… yet.
Padres absolutely overspent on Boegarts by years, but the dollars were fair value (for now), the Machado deal will probably ultimately work out. He’s young, he’s productive, he’ll age decently, I think and in the end his deal will look fair- which is kinda the goal, right?
Yu Darvish was an absolute overpay in years, but again in dollars he was paid what he earned, arguably even took a discount on the AAV, with his walk season performance.
Seems like people see every deal as an underpay or an overpay, never an accurate and fair pay.
Deleted Userr
Tatis’ contract is crazy good. And he’ll only be 35 (I believe) when it ends.
George Vasios
I think that the Padres went for it all last year because their owner, Peter Seidler faced terminal cancer and he knew his time was up. Seidler’s cancer went into remission twice before, but this time, the doctors advised him that he wasn’t going to make it.
So, the Padres spent $969 million on three guys for the long run (Machado, Bogaerts and Tatis) and also hung on to Soto, who would also demand something comparable per year to the three afore-mentioned players in 2025. This would likely lead to around 1.4 billion in long term debt for 4 guys (Soto, Tatis, Bogaerts and Machado).
But not only did the Padres miss the playoffs, they lost their TV contract because their carrier, Diamond Sports Group filed for bankruptcy. They also had to take out a $ 50 million dollar loan to pay their players. And to top it all off, the owner dies. So, now, Preller and co. find themselves in the unenviable position of having to tear it all down again and start from scratch. Good luck trying to move Machado’s and Bogaerts’ contracts!
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Machado’s seems far more moveable than Bogaert’s deal, but yes, I agree- they will try to move all the big ticket contracts and start from scratch.
Simm
They aren’t doing a rebuild. They will now spend some money and compete next year.
Brew88
Hard to know what they plan to do moving forward, certainly can’t trust what they say vs their actions today
YourDreamGM
Anyone could be traded. Do you want to pay them to play for someone else? Do you want to pay them even more to play someone else and get a top 100 prospect?
Personally using the Mets for example I think I would have just kept Scherzer Verlander. Fans would be a lot more optimistic. Well 2024 will be better with a healthy Scherzer Verlander. Just from making a profit standpoint. Baseball wise they look to be declining. Wouldn’t have signed them to begin with.
JackStrawb
@YourDreamGM Based on what the players the Mets dealt did after they left, that they could have replaced Carrasco at the deadline without trading a top prospect, could have added a couple of solid bullpen arms similarly, and that they ended the year with an 80-82 Pythagorean record, the Mets could have made a very serious run at the last wild card.
Fwiw they traded Escobar on June 24 after Escobar had been hitting to an .880 OPS since April 14 and Baty was hitting to a .650 OPS. Cohen quit five weeks before the deadline.
winniejones31
You need to do some research on the Padres farm system. They’re already very good. Adding Thorpe to it made them possibly a top 5 system. And then they’ll have this prospect in January…
Leodalis De Vries, SS, Dominican Republic
Team: Padres
For some international scouts, De Vries is the best player available for 2024, with a bonus that should surpass $4 million. He’s 6-foot-1, 185 pounds at 16 with a sweet swing from both sides of the plate and is a high-level offensive performer.
winniejones31
I want to attribute my above post to the Baseball America’s online site in regards to the young SS.
Brew88
Yes another top farm in the making. Padres are good at winning the battle of the farms. Let’s hope they don’t trade it all away again for a star and then turn around and prematurely dump that star because that’s just idiotic.
winniejones31
It’s a good thing to have a good farm because it gives you options. You can go for a Soto to make a run for the World Series when one is available or you can wait for your top prospects to mature and go that way. Or do both. Btw, I think Machado’s contract is tradeable fwiw. I’d rather trade Bogaert but I think Machado is much more marketable. I don’t want to deal Machado but if we did trade him I’d be intrigued by what Pauley could do for us at 3B.
Brew’88
Trading Machado and inserting Pauley has a 99% chance of not making the team better. But if a fire sale is necessary to meet a collapsing financial situation, they’d do what they’d do. Certainly wouldn’t keep up the 3.3 M in attendance if that happens.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Brew-I can definitely see them packaging some prospects for more pitching and an outfielder. Their system’s at a point now where they can essentially build a package, and get anyone they want.
Brew88
Agreed. But the budget constraints seem very real
bcjd
Water’s boiling, Breslow. Hope you’ve got your ingredients prepped and are ready to put them into the pot.
ohyeadam
Judge plays CF against righties and RF against lefties?
YankeesBleacherCreature
I think they’ll wait for things shake out in S.T. I’m reluctant to play Judge in CF that much to preserve wear-and-tear. I’d play Verdugo and Grisham in CF until the Martian returns.
hellsbells51
This just sucks as a Padres fan. I go back to the excitement of getting Soto, celebrating with my oldest son, texting my brother, calling my dad…attending Soto’s first game in Petco Park. There was a buzz all over San Diego and that stadium was rockin’ that night! It was something we’ve never seen an ownership group do for this team/city. It was an all time high for us Padtes fans. Now it just feels like old times where we trade away a future HOF player because we can no longer afford him. Preller ruined our chances of retaining Soto with the unnecessary signing of Bogaerts, unnecessary extensions of Cronenworth and Darvish. I just hope with this money saved, we make a big move. A smart move. Hopefully these prospects turn into something. Yes, we still have a solid group of players to build around and some promising prospects coming in the next two years, but being forced to trade away a generational player because our GM mismanaged payroll makes things hit harder. Lets start by obtaining Jung-hoo Lee, then working a trade to pick up a top of the rotation starter like Burnes without sacrificing too many top prospects.
YourDreamGM
I would have cried when they traded away that talent to Washington if I was a Padres fan. I did cry when the signed Bogaerts. That’s how awful that contract was.
Trading Soto might have been the best Padre move since trading for Tatis.
Deleted Userr
@YDGM Trading all that prospect capital for these 5 scrubs is a good trade now?
YourDreamGM
Without time travel they can’t undo trading for Soto. I’d rather have these Yankees players than pay Soto for 1 year. I would have no interest in paying him 400m plus.
Brew88
I feel ya hellsbells
ChetLemonaid
Orioles need to start stocking up on RH pop-up hitters.
thefallensoldier
Padre fans still denying they plan on trading Soto
iml12
Haha
George Vasios
Kudos to the Yankees for managing to hang on to Anthony Volpe, Jaason Dominguez and Clarke Schmidt. But then again the Padres must be desparately trying to cut payroll.
Tatis is next to go, mind you.
Camden453
I have run OOTP simulations for 15 years and if you add or subtract a Juan Soto from the lineup it doesn’t really do much. Makes no difference. Same thing in real life
It makes much more difference negating King and two other pitchers. Especially an ultra high end reliever like King. It’s a massive difference. Very hard to replace an arm like that
Wrian Washman
Yeah I also played as the Minnesota Twins on MLB the Show 23. I traded for Logan Gilbert and BP upgrades and we won the World Series that year. Simulators are fun! They’re far from any tangible indication of how real life works and should be taken with an entire bucket of salt.
Camden453
Yeah but OOTP is very realistic. It’s based on advanced pecota projections and other advanced statistics they’ve perfected over 20 years. lol, it’s nothing like MLB the show
Simulations are used in many areas of society to train people for real life situations
Wrian Washman
I bet OOTP wouldn’t have had the Diamondbacks go to the world series but here we are. Almost like you shouldn’t take a video game as gospel.
ArianaGrandSlam
Cashman should be telling Stanton right now that they have no intention of using him even as DH so feel free to express his desire to be traded any time even during this offseason.
DodgerBlue23
As long as they are willing to pay down 85%+ of his contract.
JackStrawb
Won’t really help. A bad team won’t want Stanton, a good team will want to do much better.
DodgerBlue23
What about a team that is neither? Like TB or Tor?
Deleted Userr
Who exactly is trading for Stanton and his -$80m on BTV?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah I am guessing they’re gonna try their dangdest (I don’t think we can use the real D word around here) to trade Stanton, even if it means eating most of the contract. I do think Cashman chose his words very carefully and intentionally about Stanton so that he wasn’t being inaccurate but it would bruise Stanton’s ego and get him to want to leave the Yankees or be more amenable to a trade, especially if the other team sang his praises to him and made him feel wanted.
Deleted Userr
Also has a full NTC and is playing for one of the two teams he wanted to play for all along (Yankees and Dodgers). And I doubt the Dodgers are interested at this point.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
But that’s my point- why play somewhere out of spite when the money is guaranteed no matter where you play or even if you keep playing- assuming he could get DFA’d and released if he is truly un-trade-able and not worth playing?
I could see the Mets taking him, if purely because Cohen can afford to take on the contract and he’d be a big shiny object and they tried that with Cano, so why not with Stanton, who probably has way more left in the tank than Cano did?
GooseGoslinGuy
What does a Stanton bounce-back look like, I wonder?
iml12
The only thing they are getting for Stanton is the league minimum knocked off every year.
SoCalHardBall
Im not a fan of either the Pads or the Yankees, but Soto is going to abuse that short porch in right. Also, the Yankee’s farm system is relatively at the bottom of the rankings….did they just trade away pretty much everyone that had talent? Yanks better hope this works out and lasts more than a year.
JackStrawb
@SoCalHardBall Only Thorpe was anything, but he was a fair bit of what was left. Probably knocks a weak #24 farm system down to 26 or 27.
The Former Player
He’s not going to hit any more HR than he did as a National. The right field wall situation is irrelevant.
Camden453
The trade makes no sense for the Yankees. An act of desperation possibly by Cashman. Their lineup is too weak to compete even if you add Soto. Now you’re deleting 4 major league pitchers. 6 years of Thorpe. 5 more years of Brito and Vazquez
All for a single bat that won’t be enough to make the offense competitive
They lacked organizational depth and just traded a lot of it away for Verdugo and Soto
TrillionaireTeamOperator
That last line disproves your entire thesis. Verdugo and Soto are proven, known quantities who shore up an outfield that’s been a hodgepodge of quadruple-A players for most of the last few years.
A completely re-loaded outfield is a massive upgrade.
Verdugo is a solid defensive and offensive player- not gonna light up the top of the stat charts either way, but dependable mid-level quality all around.
Soto is Soto. I know he’s not great defensively but to pretend he’s a one tool player is denial. He can basically hit for average and he can draw tons of walks. And he has power. And if that was his only quality, he wouldn’t be so highly coveted.
As you said- the Yankees lacked organizational depth, which means the guys they gave up weren’t going to set the baseball world on fire even if they make it and hang around the show. They’ll have good careers, but won’t be the game changing difference makers. They’ll have careers.
Soto is considered a generational talent. Judge is a generational talent. Verdugo is a guy who will have a solid career.
They’ll both get the line up protection to improve their offensive numbers.
The guys they gave up for Soto and Verdugo weren’t going to make the difference and can be replaced.
Camden453
Verdugo is a 100 OPS+ guy. Why trade prospects for that? You can just sign a free agent for that production
And to delete 3 pitchers 25 and younger with 5+ years of control from an already thin system is making the situation more desperate
BarryBongs
Dude yes I agree with all that. Adding Juan Soto does not even make them competitive in the division. If they pay him $550 mil next year it’s more desperation by Cashman. Either way, the Yankees are teetering on becoming a truly mediocre team for the next 3-5 years.
larkraxm
Cashman is the best GM in baseball. Brilliant move refusing to trade King and then “giving in to the Padres” a couple of days later. I liked all of those players, but you can’t get something for nothing, and Juan Soto and Aaron Judge in the same lineup can really be something. Looking at the players the Yankees didn’t trade to acquire Soto is impressive. Volpe, Dominguez, Peraza, Cabrera, Nestor, Pereira, Wells, Spencer Jones, Hampton, George lombard, Clayton Beeter, etc.. All still with us!! Not everything Cashman does works. Players gotta play. But in the past year, Cashman has put Aaron Judge and Juan Soto in the same outfield. Not too shabby!
JackStrawb
@larkaxm Amusing. Thanks.
ffrhb14Sox
Love it when the Yankees let desperation make them overshoot and overpay to buy another star. Reminds me that they didn’t learn from all of the buying every small market teams all star from 2000 on for an abysmal return on such huge investment.
aragon
Selling tickets with expensive position player is trick the Yanks know well. Of course, that is all Arte knows.
toptimrubies
Crazy. I kept hearing from Padres fans that this wouldn’t happen and that the reports of them wanting to shed money are totally made up.
El Niño
Crazy. That was before the owner died.
Prunella Vulgaris
Congratulations Yankees!
toptimrubies
Ha, a lot of the people hating on this trade have rival AL East team names in their handles. Pure objectivity here.
foppert1
Has anyone run the BTV simulation to see how close they got ?
It’s damn near impossible to do on a phone.
Deleted Userr
BTV says this trade favors the Padres by $23m. I’m thinking it’s a case of them overpenalizing Soto for being a rental.
foppert1
Thanks.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Padres also had three rotation holes to fill. King is solid #3; Brito and Vasquez can also start and at worst are MLB relievers; Thorpe could potentially see MLB innings in the second half; Higgy is as good a backup catcher as they come. I think the Padres also did well based on their immediate needs.
Rally Goose
@YankeesBleacherCreature If they had three rotation holes to fill why did they trade MacKenzie Gore (a ready-made Major League starter) and other pieces they could have used to trade for more pitching?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Bc the Pads were going for it when they acquired Soto and then signed Bogaerts? Just like the Yankees are for ’24.
Rally Goose
Exactly. When you make a trade like that you don’t backpedal on it at the first sign of any s**t.
JackStrawb
Without the luck they enjoyed in 2023 Brito and Vazquez are #6 starters. You don’t want them in your rotation. Not bad as depth, though, in AAA.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Lol. So you hate this trade I’m guessing?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Wow.
Salzilla
Welp, its done. I’ve stated this all day, but not in love with getting him. On the surface, Soto is a solid player, but there’s things about him I don’t love and the guy isn’t a lock to come back. I know a lot of fans will say that they’ll blow away everyone else monetarily, but will they? Cohen has already shown he’ll spend more. Yanks under this regime have been stubborn for the most part and this trade feels like Cashman’s last gasp. Soto, though, didn’t make the Padres better despite having a better team in place. His stats are nice, but they’re boring overall. He’s not as well rounded as some of the other top players in the league despite the hype.
And then there’s a makeup question I have. The Nats were so annoyed by the dude and his agent they were like seeya, and the Padres went doled out other contracts instead of trying to lock him up. That’s telling. His contract will be ridiculous in cash and time, and probably not worth it anyway, as I could totally see him becoming Stanton 2.0.
As for the trade on the whole. King is a great, proven commodity. He’s had some injuries, but there were more unfortunate than injury prone. Thorpe is rounding into a great prospect and the one I hate losing the most. Kyle is a solid backup catcher, and the other two are decent pitchers. I’ll be honest, Grisham makes the trade palatable. Good backup OF to have. He’s not far removed from his own hyped prospect status and we’ll have him past next year as a consolation prize.
So it’s done, I don’t love it, but I’ll be interested to see how it shakes out.
YanksPhan42
I see the papers giving their two cents on the new look lineup. This is how I would do it if I’m Boonie…..
Torres – R
Soto – L
Judge – R
Rizz – L
Stanton – R
Verdugo – L
DJ – R
Wells – L
Volpe – R
This is much improved over last year….providing they can stay healthy and play to this baseball card
LostYankeeinexile
@ Pham Verdugo led off like 80 games for the Red Sox last year. I see him as a more natural fit than Gleyber there. Gleyber has never been a table setter bat IMHO.
Go Go Power Rangers
Soto has nerves of steel and is durable. Good pick up for the yanks.
sambino
At least the Yankees didn’t have to give up Jasson Dominguez. Glad the Yankees got Juan Soto!!
Deleted Userr
Why not give up Dominguez? Prospects are just prospects until proven otherwise, right?
sambino
I agree but what we saw in the limited amount of time Dominguez was playing before he got injured he was performing pretty well.
Yanks2
They all said the same thing about Oswaldo Cabrera and then he became awful
Gwynning
I am crestfallen, yet excited. I honestly didn’t think Soto would be moved pre-TDL but for a boatload of talent that nobody would entertain… and here we are. The demands were met, and while they fell shy of my sky-high ask in The Martian, I am learning to love the returns. So many arms… and our team scouts love them all. Higgy is a great back-up type and let’s all be honest- Grish had to go. I can see this as an immediate win/win, but we all know only time will tell. Grats Yanks, you just got a serious bat and a serious glove.
DodgerBlue23
Gwynning, you saying Pads are going all the way in 2026?
Gwynning
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Jasson Dominguez was never getting traded, not for anything or anybody, unless the Yankees knew something others didn’t and lost faith in him pretty instantaneously like they did with Jesus Montero.
Deleted Userr
Oh and why not? Prospects bust all the time.
JackStrawb
Ugly overpay by the Yankees, but just as they were when they lunged after Rodon, they’re desperate.
–Higashioka–more like when your kid shows up at the shopping cart and sez, I got the cookies! It’s a small help.
–King–two years of King matters. Figure 3 WAR total, with upside. Nice pitcher to have, and at his salary King straight up for Soto would have been reasonable. 3 WAR for $13m vs 5 WAR for $33m and some jersey sales.
–Brito and Vasquez–SDP now has, what, about 10 years of #5-6 pitchers in their org? Nice, but very little upside. FIPs of both were close to 5.00.
–Thorpe–Why would you do this, when the above four were enough? Including both Thorpe and King in the deal means Seattle won. Cashman must sweat the cologne “Desperation.”
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larkraxm
The Padres got some good players for Juan Soto, but we are talking about Juan Soto. Cashman put Soto and Judge in the same outfield. The Yankees are not feeling bad tonight!
1984wasntamanual
How did Seattle win, by not getting involved?
JoeBrady
–Higashioka–more like when your kid shows up at the shopping cart and sez, I got the cookies! It’s a small help.
–King–two years of King matters. Figure 3 WAR total, with upside. Nice pitcher to have, and at his salary King straight up for Soto would have been reasonable. 3 WAR for $13m vs 5 WAR for $33m and some jersey sales.
==================================
I think that’s a good analysis.
King had a 3.2 bWAR last year, and a 3.5 per 124 IPs over the past three years. He is likely to have as much WAR over two years as Soto has in one.
Higgy is a nice throw-in. SD needed a BUC, and if they were going after Sanchez again, that’s like $7M. That’s more than a box of cookies, or at least the over-stuffed Oreos.
Brew88
Sanchez is better though. It’s not hard to find cheap replacements, it’s what low budget non competitive teams do.
Javia135
Considering Thorpe will not be ready for his debut until 2025, that leaves King, Vasquez and Brito to cover the 90+ starts the Padres need from their #3, 4 & 5 starters. That’s not happening. The 3 combined for 27 starts and 230 IP between them last year. The Padres still need at least 1 more starting pitcher, probably 2, AND 2 starting OF now. At least they can cross backup catcher, middle reliever and spot starter off their list of needs.
JackStrawb
@Javia135 Well said, and Brito and Vasquez aren’t ready for rotation slots in any case. They seem a lot more like guys the A’s would throw into the breech on their way to a 5.50 ERA in 2024.
Simm
I think they will likely add two starters and two outfielders. Though most signs point to Merrill moving to left field. Think Lee will be their CF target.
Adds two lefty bats to the lineup and combined won’t cost much.
Could look to acquire another starter via trade or wait out the market for a remaining free agent.
I think this is the year they should try and dip below the tax line. Which means around 28m or so to spend. It will be tight still to do that. They may need to find a way to dump cronenworth even if they have to eat some of his deal to free up a little more space.
Brew88
Sounds like a rebuild, but you’re not in charge ( unfortunately) Preller is. Wouldn’t dumping Cronz after having just signing him to a long term deal have bad optics? Or are we now at a point where embarrassment has no impact on bungling along?
LordD99
And so begins Soto’s 15-year career with the Yankees.
YankeesBleacherCreature
If they don’t win, does he get into the HOF with a Nats cap?
ignasis
He spent 4.5 years in Washington. He’s not going into the hall with a Nats cap no matter what happens? He’s surely going into the hall with the cap of whatever team he signs his megadeal with…??
Am I nuts?
LostYankeeinexile
Yankees lineup
1. LF Verdugo (L)
2. CF Judge (R)
3. RF Soto (L)
4 DH Stanton (R)
5. 1B Rizzo (L)
6. 2B Torres (R)
7. 3B Lemehieu (R)
8. C Trevino (R) Wells (L)
9. SS Volpe (R)
Maybe Gleyber 4 Stanton 6??
Bench : Peraza, Gonzalez, Wells, Grishom.
Not bad on paper. If health is an issue again though it’s lean in depth for OFers that can hit.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I am genuinely concerned that Rizzo is gassed and will once again be MIA next year due to back issues and the Yankees essentially handed him a $40M early retirement package. Nothing against Rizzo. I liked him a lot. I wanted that deal for him. But clearly the worst case scenario is playing out.
Rbase
I’d go
1. 3B Lemahieu (R)
2. RF Soto (L)
3. CF Judge (R)
4. 1B Rizzo (L)
5. 2B Torres (R)
6. LF Verdugo
7. DH Stanton (R)
8. C Trevino (R) Wells (L)
9. SS Volpe (R)
I have faith in DJ getting on base at a good clip, and Soto hitting before judge will take the pressure off of him a little bit. Could mix it up if stanton gets into a hot streak. Or start grisham in CF and DH one of the OF against a tough RHP
LostYankeeinexile
@RBase I like protecting Soto with Judge … not to sure DJ can hold up over a whole season at lead off though. I think he and Stanton need some lighter workloads in the middle or bottom half. Either way though it looks like a fun setup!
Rbase
I think he’ll be ok, but obviously not a perfect fit. Maybe Dominguez can hit there when he gets back? Or verdugo in case of a tough rhp. But i think my iteration makes the lineup look the longest, and if Wells catches its perfectly r-l-r-l-r-l-r-l-r which is really satisfying to look at 🙂
LostYankeeinexile
@RBase .. truth I love the R, L, R , L symmetry too! lol Peraza is backing up 3B too so maybe he finds his swing up there at the top.
scruffmcgruff
One of the low key things I like to see in a hitter’s career is when they have a good walk to strikeout ratio and Juan Soto has a good chunk more of walks than strikeouts in his career. I’m not a Yankees follower (O’s guy here) but getting a guy with that type of hitters eye is a huge plus, even if it is a bit pricey, though admittedly I’m not overly familiar with some of the names involved.
YourDreamGM
B for Padres. Could see a A. Definitely got more value. It appears King can be stretched out as a starter even if it’s only 4 to 6 innings. Thorpe is a great prospect. Keeping it from being an A is the other 2 arms could end up as relievers. I like Vasquez the best and chances to start best. Won’t surprise me if neither start though when all said and done. But they could and any pitching prospects are nice to get.
D for Yankees. Value wise today they lost. Not a F because it is Juan Soto.
NY knows it’s prospects. SD has mostly players they signed or traded for. In a few years it could look like they Yankees got Soto for cheap. But they could have traded these prospects for pitching or something else.
Mustard Tiger
Padres slashing payroll as expected. The bill has come due…
HBRC1987
Soto is better than Ohtani. There. I said it. Bite me.
filihok
dg
“Soto is better than Ohtani. There. I said it”
Support your assertion
LostYankeeinexile
@Trillionaire. Rizzo was hitting amazingly before the concussion in 2023. I know he’s had back issues in the past, but it’s his last year in f his contract. I have a little more faith in him for 2024 in another prove it year. Still , medical worries are something the Yanks have in spades
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I know, but for a guy who played a relatively robust 99 games in 2023, it feels like he was missing virtually all season, especially given that the concussion occurred in May and impacted his performance drastically thereafter.
Look, if he’s all healed up, that’s great, but concussions can do careers in, even if guys recover at a basic human level.
LostYankeeinexile
@Trillionaire. Point taken. I get and share the worry, but 2023 Rizzo I seriously blame more on the medical staff and handling of concussion protocols for the Yankees. Rizzo though… age .. injury history.. I get it. It just seems we have bigger worries medically speaking. Stanton being my biggest worry Rodon a close second. Verdugo being more contact and a lefty, Soto big big lefty bat, hopefully Volpe and Wells taking another step forward and maybe Peraza getting enough ABs. I kind of am already preparing my mind for Rizzo and LeMahieu losing a few steps.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I guess my point is, in terms of needing lefty power bats, Rizzo can now be considered an after thought or a bonus. If he stays healthy, basically gets back to being his old self, has truly healed and recuperated from the concussion without lingering issues, etc. and gives us a .246 AVG./.334 OBP/.450 SLG/.750 OPS w/24 HR’s, 80 RBI’s, etc. and provides plus defense and plays in 120 games across the entire season and shows up literally, mentally and offensively for the post season, I am a happy camper.
kingbum
If I was New York I’d offer him 7 years at 410 million….I’d structure the contract so he gets paid the most now. My sales pitch is that I will give ya what your worth now but you won’t be worth as much in your 30s I have to be able to get ya help.
Year 1 $60 million
Year 2 $57.5 million
Year 3 $55 million
Year 4 $52.5 million
Year 5 $50 million
Year 6 $47.5 million
Year 7 $45 million
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I am of similar mindset. But as others have pointed out to me in the past it’s really about the AAV and the luxury tax notes then any one year’s salary, from the team’s perspective and from the player’s it’s a question of whether it’s the most money they could get.
I’d offer him 13 years/$559M and start paying him like a free agent starting in 2024.
I think he’d hold up.
Unless he’s a guy who will disappear once he’s got the bag secured.
filihok
kb
“.I’d structure the contract so he gets paid the most now”
Why?
And what’s your understanding of finances?
kingbum
Because I’m going to pay the man as one of the best hitters, if not the best hitter now. He won’t be by age 32 and by 35 or 36 be a shell of himself. A player’s physical peak is around 27-32 years and usually it’s 27. So what Soto could be is established and I really don’t see him getting much better the question is how long is his peak. That’s the problem with free agency, basically your production and salary does not match. You end up not getting paid when you are producing at peak then getting paid when you are a shell of yourself. You aren’t guaranteed a long career, I think players would love front loaded contracts with opt out clauses on the back end so the player can opt out if he feels he outperformed his contract and it actually affects the team’s real budget not just it’s AAV number for payroll.
filihok
kb
“That’s the problem with free agency, basically your production and salary does not match.”
Wait until you hear about team control years and arbitration!
“I think players would love front loaded contracts with opt out clauses on the back end”
Yes. Players prefer shorter contracts and teams prefer longer ones – all else being equal.
One of the problems with the structure of your deal is that if you pay Soto $60 million now, when he’s at his peak, you have Jess money available to pay the players around him. That’s a big reason teams don’t front-load contacts. They’d rather have “cheap” prime years and deal with more expensive decline years later.
The second is that a 7 year $367.5 million contact like you laid out is more expensive if you front load it than if you back load it. If the agreement is 7/$367.5 and you propose the above, the player should jump at it. But you owner would probably have questions. If it were structured in the reverse, the player would be less enthused to sign, but the owner would prefer it.
DodgerBlue23
Gonna go out on a limb here…Soto traded to Halos by AS Break…Adell, Canning, & O’Hoppe in return.
DodgerBlue23
What is the record for times being traded before hitting free agency? Is Soto quickly approaching?
Brew88
Hard to feel sorry for a successful young player like Soto, but he’s probably not thrilled by being sent to yet another city with short term pressure to win a WS or bust.
Niekro floater
Yanks FO wants fans to get excited bout acquiring generational “me” player in Soto, another lefty OF who thinks he’s generational “me” player but stats dont lie, n CF who hacks @everything then watches 2 strike pitch right dwn the middle. Gave up alot of young controllable pitching. And pitching was n is still primary offseason need. Big splash n lil more4 world’s richest franchise.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
Great trade for the Yankees. Cashman strikes again. Gave up nothing for a top 10 players. Realistically the Yankees basically gave up a whole lot of garbage for Soto. I like Thorpe but hes not even a top 4 prospect in their system. I know its only a year of Soto but honestly if you look back at say the Chapman trade to the Cubs where the Yankees got Gleyber Torres for half a year of Chapman, it felt like the Yankees got more than what the Padres got in this trade. Yankee fans should be very excited. However, the Yankees are still very far away from being a playoff contender, as they need more hitting and ironically a lot of bullpen help in my opinion. If the Yankees sign Josh Hader and trade for a true third baseman (Lemaheui is not going to cut it) like say Ryan McMahon, and perhaps sign one more starting pitcher like Trevor Bauer, then this team will be scary. As a Mets fan, Stearns should be fired as Soto is the perfect player for the Mets and hes done nothing all offseason. Coicedentally, this I think will be a bad move for Soto. Its his contract year and hes being traded to a new league with pitchers hes rarely/never seen before. Add all that with the typical Yankee fan expectations of winning a World Series while being under the NY media spotlight with some of the worst fans around (boo you for anything), this could be a recipe for distaster for him
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I basically agree with all of this. And, if the league appears to feel as though Bauer can be associated with again (legally found to not be at any kind of fault and all of the other legal aspects of that situation concluded in Bauer’s favor) I could see the Yankees picking him up and saying to him: Look man, keep your head down, your nose clean, stay off social media and we will pay you $35M a year to keep pitching in the US for a few seasons and basically sign him to the same deal he signed with the Dodgers, to shore up the rotation.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
@TrillionaireTeamOperator I specifically link Bauer to the Yankees because the fans and ownership virtually don’t care that much about any domestic violance situations. Case in point, just look at Chapman, Domingo German, Cordero, etc. Bauer would be welcomed to the Yankees and his situation would rarely be brought up again until he leaves the Yankees
kodion
“…As a Mets fan, Stearns should be fired as Soto is the perfect player for the Mets and hes done nothing all offseason. Coicedentally, this I think will be a bad move for Soto. …”
From savior to stumbler, without even a paragraph break.
Soto’s bat will be fine. Yankees are definitely better …on that side of the ball.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
@kodion it takes time for most players to adjust to a new league. Just look at Matt Olson and Corey Seager. Took them a year to finally learn the pitching of their respective leagues
dasit
there’s a lot of ways this could end of being a bad trade for the yankees but there’s nothing about soto that makes me think he will wilt under the spotlight
DodgerBlue23
So Yanks are going to extend him 100% right? Why wait? Extend him now..
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I am sure that there will be a legitimate attempt to do just that. I feel like as soon as the trade was agreed upon between the teams, Cashman and/or Steinbrenner was on the phone or face to face with Boras proposing an extension or floating an extension pretty much immediately. As in “hello” handshake “we’d like to extend Soto now. What’s that gonna take? Here’s our offer. Lets negotiate.” etc. within seconds, no pre-amble.
DodgerBlue23
TTO, 7.5yrs/2.5 Quintillion?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Okay, so I am of a few different minds about Soto. My personal valuation of Soto and my own assessment of how players age would dictate this contract:
Ideally:
11 years/$430M (1 year/$30M for final year of arbitration, followed by 10 years/$400M)
Realistically what it might take if Soto reaches free agency and Yankees have to enter some kind of a bidding war or are required to make an early extension offer that is calculated as if there had been a bidding war:
15 years/$687.5M ($15.5M signing bonus, 1 year/$35M for final year of arbitration, followed by 14 years/$637M)
If they were to meet somewhere near the middle then, it’d probably look something like:
13 years/$526.5M ($34.5M his final year of arbitration, followed by 12 years/492M)
If it’s that last case scenario, I am fine with that.
Yanks2
Didn’t Boras say Soto would test the free agent market regardless?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
He has been saying that, or something to that effect, yes. But at some point if his client loves the city, wants to play on that team long term and the money is good enough…. or the team outbids itself….
The way I see it, at some point, the market is pretty clear for players and the bids are going to be comparable, with some consideration going into what the money would look like after taxes in that state, if there’s a year or two difference in the years offered, maybe even something psychological tied to AAV or the peak salaries in certain years of the contract, etc.
I am saying I think if any team is equipped and prepared to play out the hypothetical market, account for potential bidding wars and then offer something that would blow all of them out of the water without actually overspending and want the player badly enough to go to those numbers and years preemptively, it’s the Yankees.
So, if the floor for a Soto extension would be 12 years/$480M and the ceiling is 16 years/$720M but they’re both unlikely because they’re both supposed to be the extreme scenarios that are very unlikely to play out, Soto and Boras might be amenable to the middle ground. In this case, that’d be 14 years/$600M for the open market free agency years and an additional 15th year at $30M or so.
Consider that the Nats offered him 15 years three years ago now. Why, then, wouldn’t that offer now be for 12 years? It’s pretty clear that these contracts tend to go bad once guys hit their mid to late 30’s, so signing a guy into his age 40 season is avoided as much as possible, even with someone like Judge.
I suppose if Boras/Soto convinced someone to sign him to age 39, that’d still be a 14 year free agency deal on top of his final year of arbitration, so that’d still be a 15 year deal.
But even the Nats, who wanted him as their franchise player, offered him 15 years a few years ago, which would have taken him into his age 37 season, I believe?
The bottom line is that everybody can do the same math and these guys all understand that at some point, for their purposes, an extra $20M or even maybe an extra $50M won’t make a difference in their lives, so if one team is offering $500M and another team is offering $460M and they would MUCH rather go to the team offering $460M, they’ll take the ‘discount’. Players do it all the time. Deep down they all know at some point the money just starts to pile up and sit in bank accounts, investment accounts, etc. or they start to give it away, etc. which means at some point there’s a certain amount that they don’t need other than for bragging rights.
I think even Soto and Boras know this and if Soto WANTS to stay in New York and on the Yankees and the Yankees offer him comparable years and AAV, he’ll sign with them, even understanding someone else like Boston or the Dodgers or whomever might’ve gone an extra year or two and an extra $100M or something…. okay maybe at that much they’ll sign for the most money period lol but you get my point.
And my final thought/point is that any number the Yankees could offer, someone else could hypothetically top- literally any number. Just add a year and $1M AAV to anything the Yankees offer and it gets topped by more than $50M, automatically, so in some respect there is no ceiling.
So it would have to come down to Soto saying “how much money can I possibly get, honestly? I just want to be a Yankee, they’re offering more than enough, if I could hypothetically be leaving more on the table- fine- but we’ll never know.”
Which, I get that’s why Boras wants him to test the market. So that he will know if he is leaving anything on the table. If he goes to free agency, he’ll get the bids, they’ll be comparable, teams will top each other to get the winning bid and that’ll push his total up by $50M if not $100M if not more and without the market, that doesn’t happen…
I’d just like to believe the Yankees offer enough that it isn’t an overpay but it is enough to keep him around– assuming he stays healthy and productive for more than 11 years and assuming that it’s neither a low ball nor an overpay and he wants to remain a Yankee badly enough he just takes that offer…. etc.
Yanks2
I don’t think he’s going to sign with the Yankees long term. Doesn’t seem like a Yankee type player to me
The Former Player
brian cashman’s latest move of desperation- gave up 5 young players basically for a 1 year rental of Juan So-So. No world series in 14 years and counting, despite staggering payrolls year after year after year and the Yankees are going nowhere in 2024.
Niekro floater
Selling all there prospect commodity cause who cares what they might become cash-man is trying 2win now n save his job. Lasorda did same thing how Dodgers lost Pedro Martinez n Paul Konerko, sacrifice stud prospects 4 dependable vets to go out a winner. We’ll see if there spending like when King George was all powerful if they can close on ohtani or Yamamoto. We’re alota minor league retreads on last yrs tm, playing alota meaningful innings.
kodion
Can’t see King being as much help as a starter as some seem to think. The Jays made him look good …and now he’s out of the division.
whyhayzee
Robinson Cano, version 2.0.
Yanks2
Genius comment
whyhayzee
Super talented left handed hitters. Decent but not great defense. Soto has more power, Cano hit for better average. Both players are more out for themselves and less team oriented at a young age. Cano developed later and Soto is definitely a better hitter but the comparison is valid.
kodion
“Cano developed later”
…=code for “Didn’t start his career on PEDs”
RaysFanTL
Def not a yanks fan but this is a great move for them. Is it just me, or did they not give up that much??
User 3180623956
Seems like an awful lot to give up for one year of Soto and add in what they gave up for verdugo, do the Yankees have any depth left?
Jaysfansince92
The Yankees will have to make some more moves for this to make sense for them. Soto on his own doesn’t make the team a true contender. If they can make some more significant upgrades it makes more sense. This seems like the type of trade a team that is one player away would make and as things stand that doesn’t feel like a proper description for the Yankees.
If they can get Yamamoto and and a significant upgrade at 3rd then things get a lot more interesting. If they strike out on Yamamoto then I’m not sure this was the right move to make.
I think it will be a lot easier to evaluate this trade once the offseason is over.
Yankeesforever
ahhhhh, the bitterness of non Yankee fans is so refreshing. It means the Yankees are heading back to where they belong.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Yeah, it’s absolutely hilarious to see people talk about Soto like he’s Spencer Torkelson or Jake Cronenworth or something like that.
carlos15
A lot of prospects for a guy whose only interested in drawing a wall
carlos15
Walk
GarryHarris
All those pitchers look good especially Drew Thorpe. With a little luck, San Diego just fixed their entire pitching staff.
Brew88
With a lot of luck
Brew’88
The pitching they got was more important to the Yanks than the Pads. The best pitcher Thorpe sits about #6 of all SPs in pads farm
Deez Cardinals
Hopefully he works out better than Stanton. Two through 4 look solid on paper. Still need pitching
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
I know losing Soto sucks, but holy crap you have to be stoked for that return for 1 year of Juan Soto making 33 million dollars!
Fooque2
Who going to pitch for the Yanks? Or are they gonna just outscore everyone?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Nick Swisher
Wrian Washman
Cole, Yamamoto, Rodon, Cortes, Schmidt/Montas. Rodon is a good bounce back candidate and if he does oh boy look out for this starting 5. Certainly top heavy and could use more depth but expect the Yankees to sign several minor league deals with ST invitations. The Yankees pitching and farm is not as decimated as the MLBTR comment experts would have you believe. And yes the Yankees didn’t give all that up for Soto just to be outbid for YY he is a future Yankee.
Killer Refrigerator
When did the Yankees sign Yamamoto? I missed that one Wrian. Montas? Rodon? Busts both of them. Wishful thinking is no way to go through life son. You have Cole – that’s it.
larkraxm
You got it! Winning 10-7 is still winning!
3 finger split
As a Padre fan I am so glad that Soto is gone…he is not a good outfielder at all…average arm at best, average speed, terrible routes on fly balls, terrible baserunner and his “Soto” shuffle is garbage…back when pitchers actually pitched terrible with an edge if he pulled that shuffle crap he would have gotten “Ear Holed”…good hitter but watches way too many two strike pitches and then complains when he gets rung up.
He is not a pull hitter so the short porch does nothing and he plays for the name on the back instead of the name on the front but since NY doesn’t have names on the back who knows.
Padres get back four pitchers and a catcher but now have two holes to fill in the outfield and saved 30 million plus in the process
Chicks dig bunting
Pads just revamped their minor system just like that they got some very good players in this deal again well see how the future plays out is Soto a free agent next year not sure
Eatdust666
Yes, Soto is in fact a free agent after the 2024 season.
Chicks dig bunting
And al most all pitching too
clubberlang
If Soto does not resign and the Yanks fail to make a WS, this is a terrible, potentially crippling move
larkraxm
The Yankees are not the Royals. Even if this goes full Ellsbury, the Yankees will be fine. Money fixes roster mistakes.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
They’ve got to.sign am extension to make it worthwhile.
Or…really all in this year for Brian Cashman.
winniejones31
Fangraphs have the Padres as the 11th best farm system before Drew Thorpe was added. Now where will the Padres be ranked after Thorpe is counted AND when Dominican Republic SS Leodalis De Vries is signed in January? Baseball America said some scouts had De Vries as the best international prospect for this signing period. I can see the Padres moving into the top 5 of farm systems after this signing.
baseballguru
My guess is the 15 year drought turns to 16 years and the overhypers troubles return in 2025
OZ13
Thought- Yanks prob wont be able to sign him long term, but what if they offered him 3 yrs at $40 mil a year. That lets him out of the contract before he is 30, he then signs a massive FA deal and makes more over the course of his career than if he was a FA this upcoming yr.
CKinSTL
Soto turned down $440 million from the Nats.. why would he accept $120 million?
Rightout
Yankees basically gave up AAAA players no stud in the mix…Padres got maybe a #4 starter… maybe…. and bullpen guy the rest are garbage…
JoeBrady
I think it is fair value, but I don’t like it for either team.
The Padres picked up an SP, and ~ $30M, but lost two OFs. They still need 2 OFs, 2 SPs, a closer, and probably a DH.
The NYY picked up the fearsome LH slugger they need, but they will eventually have five outfielders when Dominguez returns. And they are now down to 2 reliable SPs (one an ace) plus Rodon.
It feels like both teams still have a lot to do.
Killer Refrigerator
I wouldn’t call Rodon reliable by any stretch.
JoeBrady
That’s why I mentioned “plus Rodon”. Cole and Schmidt are reliable as a #1/#4.
desertdawg
Cashman and the Yankee brass know that it if Soto has a good too great year and as the Boras Corporation as his agent that a 12 to 14 year 600 million plus contract is what they will shoot for. And with a lot of guaranteed monies in it with opt out and no trade clauses in it. What team will take the chance with it, I have one where they have two players who already have cashed in on big dollars and the ownership of this team didn’t even bat an eye on them, they said they wanted them, and they signed them. And that team is the Philadelphia Phillies, Soto has a connection there with Trea Turner, and Bryce Harper. He has said before he enjoyed a great deal playing with them in Washington.
winniejones31
Hey guys, is there some way to “unmute” posters I’ve already muted? The one thing I didn’t think about was the other comments I would lose access to once muting someone.
Thanks
Gwynning
Top right corner > My Account > Update My Profile
Hit the “X” next to the name and be sure to save your changes at the bottom of the screen.
winniejones31
Thank you bro!
Brew’88
don’t mute me yet winnie, I’m pissed but will come around. Diehard since I was 3. We’ll get this parade.
Gwynning
Mute him, winnie! He’s one of those guys! (Giants fan)
>.<
Gwynning
Jk jk, Brew is cool as the other side of the pillow
Brew88
@Gwynning. Full disclosure. If you of all people believe that act I put on ( SF fan ), then I shall indeed win that Oscar. Now burn this note…
whyhayzee
How is Judge and Soto and Stanton ANY different than Trout, Ohtani and Rendon?
That said, the Yankees do have LOTS of pitcher injuries as well, just like the …
Oh wait, are they the Angels of the East?
Overhyped prospects? Check
Overpaid injured veteran stars? Check
Abused pitchers? Check
Knucklehead management? Check
Annoying fans? Check
Bloated payroll? Check
Home for the postseason? Check
wilhar8
my only concern is if we can’t sign Soto at the end of the year and Cole ops out. we just gave up King and Thorpe and lose depth.
Killer Refrigerator
Soto couldn’t win in San Diego surrounded by all of that talent. Think about that one for a moment…
Viveleempireevil
But he did manage to win a WS in D.C. with a lot less talent..
winniejones31
Here’s a fairly recent impartial accounting of the Padres farm system highlights (minus Drew Thorpe of course)…youtube.com/watch?v=VrbRdQjzBmY These guys go into a lot of detail.
If we aren’t allowed to post links I apologize in advance.
spitball
Will the Yankees ever get under the CBT again? Kind of hard to go after Masamoto? Extend Soto, I don’t think so! Probably have to hope Cole refuses his option. Go for it in 2024! Because after that there is going to be a reset!
PinstripedPride
Hope he refuses his option? Are you nuts? He’s our ace and he just won a Cy! The guy’s a workhorse and the surest bet we’ve got. If he opts out, you pursue him and keep him.
Hexbreaker
Boone will ruin Soto.
Cknyc
even the padres didnt want clarke schidt as a throw in! i hate that bum
LostYankeeinexile
Weird thought… any other Yankee fan worried about the Soto/Judge situation ending up like ARod / Jeter. Especially if they try to sign Soto to the longer contract. Wonder how the clubhouse fit is going to be. Seems like the consensus on Donaldson last year was he was a bad influence. Verdugo has some Bret Gardner intensity feel with a little immaturity… don’t know about Soto though.
liance parrish
Yankees will again miss the playoffs
Rally Goose
Hot take Juan Soto goes back to the Nationals next offseason!
Yes, I am aware that they will have to pay him.
rynoresumes
what a joke the San Diego gm is. he gave up so much to the nationals including stud Mckenzie gore and they get several 28 year olds and a couple of prospects that may or may not work out. That gm should be fired immediately. I imagine Soto wanted out because of all the drama in the clubhouse with the big egos. I mean I get it but they got 10% of what they gave up to give him back.
showman
Someone better arrest Brian Cashman for armed robbery. He just gave up a few middle relievers and a backup catcher for one of the best players in baseball. One of the heistiest heists of all time.
rynoresumes
SD gave up Gore and several others to get this guy and then they trade him to the yankees for table scraps. Preller is an absolute garbage GM. The prospects they received are lottery tickets. And the rest is filled with okay pitchers but they are already closer to 30 than 20. And then a defensive minded catcher that is 33. Where is this a good deal what so ever? I imagine the internal BS in the locker room had some to do with this. Constant questionning of machado leadership and the massive egos of the star players..SD is not intending to win anything by pulling a move like this. Offense is good, but pitching is kind of okay. So you fill in the pitching gap with guys that are 28 and are just getting started in there major league careers. What an idiot Preller is.
ATLbravos
sorry i give it a A+ for Padres and a C+ or B- for Yankees..
Padres freed up massive amounts of cash and Thorpe was a great pick up. Soto is a boris client so hes def going FA. Funny thing is Padres can get him back next year on the market.
Yankees are going for it all but you have to have pitching. gave up the farm for a 1 year rental.
Deleted Userr
Padres didn’t free up any cash once you factor in how much they will have to spend to replace Soto’s 5.5 WAR in a “down season.”
SportsFan0000
A lot of that will be replaced in getting more, great young pitching for the rotation and bullpen and a defensive minded catcher who who Campusano call learn to improve his defense with.
Runs kept off the board will balance the deal off over the full season.
Soto is a great player, but he can only play one OF position, and he can only bat one time every 9X through the batting order.
It will be interesting to see how Preller fills holes in CF and LF.
Top SS prospect Jackson Merrill could be targeted for one of those OF slots.
Deleted Userr
No it won’t.
Brew88
Best thing about this trade for Pads is that the weight of high expectations has been lifted
winniejones31
I agree. Now I know how Dodgers fans feel.
SportsFan0000
Great pure “baseball trade” that will help both teams right now!
LH hitting Soto could hit 50-60 home runs with that short RF porch in Yankee stadium.
The Yankees could get 100-120 home runs a year from just Judge and Soto.
The Padres filled huge needs on their team, saved money, fortified the rotation and bullpen and moved on from Trent Grisham also.
I know the Padres were focused on pitching, but they should have left one of those pitchers on the back end of the deal on the table and insisted on 1 of the Yankees
young OF prospects: Jones or Pereirra or Dominguez.
Yankees “were calling every day”.
They were determined to get Soto.
They got their man, but, Preller could have included one of the Yankees top young OF prospects in that deal and NYY would not have said no on the goal line of that deal.
SportsFan0000
Sad to see Soto go for many Padres fans.
But, it was the right call and the right move for both the short and long term benefit of the Padres franchise.
The Padres were not investing 500M in free agency in a LF, great hitter, below average defense,
a great fit on a team that does not expect him to carry the entire load and its team
to the World Series.
AJ Preller made some very serious errors in roster construction and depth for the Padres.
Preller is great at finding and signing young talent in the draft and international markets.
But, he traded too much of that talent away for older, higher priced veterans and forfeited team depth that sank the team with injuries and when players had bad underperforming years. There was no one in the upper minors to step in and challenge some of the veterans for jobs.
Preller needs to develop more of the talent he signs.
And, he needs to promote a good % of that talent to the major league roster to balance youth and veterans and lower priced controlled talent with higher priced star talent to have long term success with the Padres.
thefaithfulfriar
I like this deal. Good all around for everyone involved. Grish can get his game back in Yankee Stadium, Soto can perform on the biggest stage, the Friars can give these pitchers an opportunity and we have more money for margaritas. Good on you AJ. LFGSD!!
SportsFan0000
All Quiet on the Western Front from the Soto won’t be traded” crowd and “the Padres don’t have financial problems and are not cutting payroll” crowd.
And, the ones who stated that the 50M in season loan the Padres were forced to get because the team fell below the MLB’s minimum equity and investment in the team guidelines .
You know the posters who WERE CALLING ME A LIAR AND PRACTICALLY CHALLENGING ME TO A FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT OUTSIDE OF PETCO PARK
SAYING: “Soto will never be traded”.
Padres will never cut payroll.
ALSO, THEY OWE A BIG APOLOGY TO BOTH ME AND THEIR FAVORITE REPORTER
KEVIN ACEE of the San Diego Media beat on the Padres.
It seems that Reporter Kevin Acee was right, I was right, again about the Padres, Preller, Soto, Padres beat reporter Kevin Acee and just about everything I have posted here. AGAIN.
Hus about everything I posted here over the last few years about the Padres and these topics has been proven to be 100% true and has happened or was happening at the tiime I posted
Acee was working with information leaked to him by Front Office Insiders who were at the meetings and who participated in the discussions.
No hard feelings!
Just loosen your ties and have fun on this baseball forum
and try not to take it all too seriously.
We are all passionate baseball fans here.
Sometimes we are right.
Sometimes we are wrong.
It is all in good fun and for the love of the game.
Deleted Userr
You are referring, I assume, to Pads Fans aka outinleftfield aka websoulsurfer aka BaseballisLife?
SportsFan0000
I was “on the record” as against the Padres trading for Soto a few years ago.
Time will tell.
But, the Players the Padres gave up for the 1 1/2 year rental of Soto
SS C.J. Abrams
LHP MacKenzie Gore
OF Robert Hassell III
OF James Wood
RHP Jarlin Susana
are, obviously, much better than the players the Padres got back for
Soto’s last year of team control before free agency.
Brew’88
just realized the only LH pitcher in this trade is Thorpe, who starts the season in the minors. With Hader, Hill, Snell gone, the only LH pitchers presently on the projected 26 man roster is Cosgrove and Morejon. Yikes
BenjiB24
You guys know you have Aaron Judge right?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Soto is a posh neighborhood like Soho. Soto stands for south of Toronto, the way Soho stands for south of Houston. Which ironically is where the Yankees will finish next season.