The Padres pulled off the biggest deadline deal in years, announcing the acquisition of both Juan Soto and Josh Bell from the Nationals. San Diego sent back a haul of young talent to complete the blockbuster. Rookie shortstop C.J. Abrams and left-hander MacKenzie Gore are headed to Washington, as are a trio of highly-regarded prospects: outfielders Robert Hassell III and James Wood, and pitcher Jarlin Susana. To round out the deal, the Nats are picking up big league first baseman Luke Voit.
It’s a stunning blockbuster, one of the most seismic trades in major league history. There’s almost no precedent for a player of Soto’s caliber being dealt, particularly not with multiple seasons of remaining club control. The lefty-hitting outfielder is among the game’s top handful of players, a superstar performer who has amazingly yet to turn 24 years old. Soto debuted in the big leagues as a 19-year-old in 2018, having played just eight games above A-ball at the time. Even holding his head above water would’ve been impressive in that context, but Soto immediately stepped into the majors as of its best hitters.
Soto hit .292/.406/.517 in 116 games as a rookie. He’s followed that up with successively elite offensive seasons, looking well on his way to being an all-time great hitter. Between 2019-21, Soto hit .304/.440/.561. He averaged more than 25 home runs per year (even with the 2020 schedule being dramatically shortened) and drew plenty more walks than strikeouts. Soto finished in the top ten in NL MVP balloting each season, including a runner-up finish last year. He was an integral part of the Nationals’ World Series winner in 2019, following up a .282/.401/.548 regular season performance with a .277/.373/.554 showing during that year’s postseason. Along the way, Soto claimed a pair of Silver Slugger Awards and was selected to the All-Star Game in 2021.
The 2022 campaign hasn’t been Soto’s best, but a “down” season by his standards would be a career year for most players. Through 436 plate appearances, he’s hitting .246/.408/.485. He’s drawn walks in an MLB-best 20.9% of his trips to the dish while striking out just 14.2% of the time. He’s tied for 17th in the majors with 21 longballs, and he’s third among hitters with 200+ plate appearances in on-base percentage (.408). That’s in spite of a .243 batting average on balls in play that’s easily the lowest mark of his career, nowhere close to .330 figure he carried into the season. The lesser ball in play results do reflect a slight downturn in his batted ball quality, but Soto’s batted ball metrics and exit velocities are better than his actual batting average and slugging output might suggest.
It wasn’t long ago that trading a hitter of this caliber would’ve seemed unfathomable. The Nationals are less than three years removed from their aforementioned championship. Even after a last place finish in 2020, Washington was in win-now mode heading into 2021. A swoon just before last summer’s trade deadline dropped them near the bottom of the National League and kicked off a major reboot that saw stars like Max Scherzer, Trea Turner and Kyle Schwarber traded. All those players were within their final season and a half of remaining control, however, while Soto was still more than three years from free agency at the time. There was seemingly never any consideration on the Nats part to dealing him either last summer or over the offseason.
That remained the case just two months ago, when Washington general manager Mike Rizzo flatly declared the club was “not trading” Soto. That was before their latest (and ultimately final) attempt to sign him to a long-term deal. After Soto rejected a 13-year, $350MM extension offer last offseason, the Nationals reengaged with his representatives this summer. Soto again turned down the Nationals overtures — this time a 15-year, $440MM proposal — and the club pivoted to the trade market.
One could certainly argue whether that was the right course of action for the franchise to take. Even if the organization were convinced that signing Soto to an extension was untenable, they didn’t have to move him this summer. Soto is arbitration-eligible through 2024, so Washington could’ve held onto him until next winter or merely proceeded year-by-year through the arb process and tried to put a contending roster back around him. Rizzo and his staff decided against that course of action. The Nationals have a barren farm system and have curtailed payroll in recent seasons while the Lerner family explores a sale of the franchise. Turning around a team with an NL-worst 35-69 record within the next two years would’ve been an immense challenge even with Soto on the roster, and the Nats are now fully embracing a rebuild that’ll likely take multiple seasons.
That decision will be a tough pill to swallow for at least some segment of the fanbase. Washington has now seen the departures of Scherzer, Turner, Anthony Rendon and Soto within the past few years — dramatically overhauling the franchise’s best clubs since it moved to Washington. They’re surely hopeful that players like Josiah Gray, Keibert Ruiz and the package of young players they’re receiving in the Soto deal will comprise a core of another contender down the road, but there’s no denying how quickly the Nationals fell from the top after winning the title three seasons back.
On the other side of the equation, the Padres are landing one of the sport’s preeminent superstars to bolster an already star-studded roster. The Friars have gone in the opposite direction of the Nationals over the past few years, coming out of their rebuild in 2020 with an excellent young core after years of building the farm system. President of baseball operations A.J. Preller and his group have shown a willingness to swing for marquee talent time and again. They’ve signed Manny Machado to a huge free agent contract and swung blockbuster trades for players like Yu Darvish, Blake Snell and Mike Clevinger. For as aggressive as Preller’s been over his eight years running baseball ops, he’s never had a two-day stretch like this. The Friars sent closer Taylor Rogers, righty Dinelson Lamet and two prospects to land star reliever Josh Hader from the Brewers yesterday. He’s now followed up with the kind of blockbuster that’ll define his front office tenure.
The Padres enter play Tuesday with a 58-46 record. They’re in possession of the National League’s second Wild Card spot and a likely playoff team, but even adding Soto and Hader is unlikely to give them much of a chance at erasing a 12-game deficit to the Dodgers in the NL West. The acquisition is both about solidifying their hold on a playoff spot for this season and adding another impact bat alongside Fernando Tatis Jr. and Machado for the next few seasons. The Padres could theoretically try to reengage Soto’s reps at the Boras Corporation about a possible long-term pact, but the more likely scenario would seem to be that he’ll spend the remainder of his arbitration seasons in San Diego.
To get the deal done, the Friars reportedly outbid some of their National League competitors. The Cardinals and Dodgers were generally viewed among San Diego’s top rivals in the bidding for Soto, and there’s surely an added bonus in keeping him away from teams whom San Diego could plausibly meet in the postseason for the next few years. Preller and his staff probably have no small amount of satisfaction in topping the Dodgers’ offers after Los Angeles stepped in to land Scherzer from Washington last summer — not long after reports emerged that San Diego was closing in on a Scherzer agreement with the Nats.
While Soto is obviously the headlining piece of the deal, Bell is far more than an ancillary throw-in. He’s one of the top bats to change hands this summer himself, a player who ranked #3 on MLBTR’s list of the top deadline trade candidates. Bell is one of the more well-rounded hitters in the sport. He’s a switch-hitting power bat who topped out with 37 home runs with the Pirates back in 2019. While that was probably inflated somewhat by the livelier baseball used during that season, Bell has continued to hit for above-average power in the years since then. After a down year in the shortened 2020 campaign, Bell rebounded to connect on 27 longballs during his first season in Washington. He’s hit another 14 homers and 24 doubles through 437 plate appearances this season.
Unlike most power hitters of his ilk, Bell also brings strong bat-to-ball skills to the table. He’s striking out in only 14% of his trips this season, his lowest rate since his rookie year and markedly below the league average. Bell has paired that with quality plate discipline manifesting in an 11.2% walk rate and an overall .302/.384/.493 line. Since being traded to Washington heading into the 2021 season, he’s a .278/.363/.483 hitter in a hair above 1000 plate appearances.
Bell is a pure rental, as he’ll be a free agent for the first time after this season. He’s playing the year on a $10MM salary, around $3.57MM of which is yet to be paid out. He’s limited to first base or designated hitter, but most public metrics agree Bell has played his way to roughly average at first after posting well below-average numbers earlier in his career. While he’s unlikely to ever win a Gold Glove Award, Bell should be a perfectly fine first baseman for the final few months.
A midseason trade not only affords Bell the opportunity to depart a last place club for a contender, it should also boost his free agent stock next offseason. The Nationals were likely to make him a qualifying offer, which would’ve required a signing team to forfeit draft picks and/or international signing bonus space after Bell rejected. Players traded midseason the year before free agency are ineligible for a QO, however, so a trade means Bell’s market won’t be hampered by compensation a few months from now.
Taking on what remains of Soto’s $17.1MM salary (approximately $6.1MM) and Bell’s remaining money — coupled with the Hader trade — is sure to push the Friars beyond the luxury tax threshold. Ownership had reportedly been reluctant to exceed that marker for a second straight year, but the opportunity to add this kind of impact talent compelled them to change their thinking. Jason Martinez of Roster Resource estimates the franchise’s post-trade deadline CBT number around $242MM, a fair bit north of the $230MM base threshold. As a payor for a second straight year, they’ll be taxed at a 30% rate on their first $20MM above the threshold, coming out to approximately $3.7MM in extra fees.
With the chance to transform their roster, majority owner Peter Seidler and company signed off on the addition to an already franchise-record payroll. San Diego presumably plans to remain among the league’s highest-payroll clubs in the coming years, as Martinez projects them for $128MM in guaranteed commitments (with a $157MM CBT figure) for next season. That doesn’t include what’s sure to be another massive arbitration raise for Soto — likely into the $25+MM range — although Bell could depart this winter. It’s a territory with which the franchise is evidently now comfortable, and they’ll be rewarded for their aggressiveness with one of the sport’s most entertaining rosters.
In order to add that kind of star power, the Padres had to be prepared to part with a massive package of young talent. The Nationals had reportedly set an asking price of five-plus young major leaguers and/or prospects in any Soto talks, and that’s what they’ll receive. Abrams is presumably the first player of the deal Washington fans will see at Nationals park, as he’s likely to soon join the MLB roster.
The sixth overall pick in the 2019 draft, Abrams almost immediately played his way towards the top of prospect lists in pro ball. A left-handed hitter with plus bat-to-ball skills and elite speed, he performed quite well in the low minors. The Georgia native missed a fair bit of action, with the cancelation of the 2020 minor league season and a left leg injury that ended his 2021 campaign in July. That kept Abrams to just 42 games above A-ball entering this year, but the Friars nevertheless carried him on the big league roster after losing Tatis to a wrist fracture.
The 21-year-old has struggled in his big league experience to date, hitting .232/.285/.320 through his first 46 games. That’s not unexpected for a player with his lack of experience, though, and Abrams remains a very highly-touted young player. Optioned to Triple-A El Paso midway through the year, he responded with a .314/.364/.507 showing through 30 games to earn another MLB call. He’s played sporadically at each of shortstop, second base and in the outfield with a win-now team in San Diego, but he should have a clearer path to everyday playing time at shortstop on the Nationals.
Abrams checked in as the game’s #11 prospect on Baseball America’s recent top 100, with the outlet reaffirming that his bat-to-ball skills and athleticism give him a chance to be a franchise shortstop. Abrams’ relatively narrow frame doesn’t lead to huge power projection, but he’s credited with possible 15-20 homer pop at his peak. There’s some debate whether he’ll stick at shortstop or should eventually move to second base or center field, but he’s certain to play up the middle somewhere and could be a traditional top-of-the-order type.
The Padres decision to option Abrams to Triple-A was quite likely more motivated by his struggles at the MLB level than any kind of service time gaming. It did have the effect, however, of ensuring he won’t reach a full year of service this season. He remains controllable through the end of the 2028 season, and future optional assignments could push that trajectory back even further.
Gore would’ve joined Abrams in soon appearing on the MLB roster, but he’s currently on the injured list due to elbow inflammation. The Padres were targeting a September return for the 23-year-old southpaw, although it’s seemingly possible he doesn’t make it back to the mound this season. That’s largely immaterial for the Nationals, who are obviously looking well into the future anyhow. It doesn’t seem the club has real long-term concerns about Gore’s arm health.
If healthy, Gore is among the more interesting young arms in the sport. The third overall pick in the 2017 draft, he quickly developed into the game’s top pitching prospect after dominating lower level hitters. Then came a rough two-season stretch between 2020-21. Gore reportedly struggled with his mechanics and battled extreme wildness at the alternate training site the former year, then had an up-and-down 2021 season that saw the club send him back to the complex for a stretch to reset in a lower-pressure environment. Gore righted the ship to some extent, returned to an affiliate late in the year, and began this season at Triple-A.
After one appearance, Gore was promoted to make his major league debut. He went on to make 13 starts while the club navigated injuries to Blake Snell and Mike Clevinger, pitching to a 4.27 ERA with a solid 23.1% strikeout rate. Gore’s 11.5% walk percentage remained a bit high, but it wasn’t anywhere near the level of control concerns he’d had in prior seasons. San Diego moved him to the bullpen for three outings in order to keep tabs on his innings, and Gore was hit hard before going on the IL.
Whether the elbow issue played into Gore’s late struggles or not, he’s still a plenty sensible inclusion in the deal for the Nationals. He’s a high-end athlete with a fastball that averages just under 95 MPH and a pair of promising breaking pitches. Gore is likely to eclipse a full year of service in 2022, putting him on track to potentially reach free agency after the 2027 campaign. He still has all three minor league option years remaining, however, and any future optional stints could push back his path to the market.
Alongside the two big leaguers, the Nationals bring in a trio of highly-regarded prospects. Like Abrams, Hassell and Wood are regarded as top five prospects in the Padres farm system and among the top 60 minor league players in the game, according to Baseball America. Susana’s not quite at that level, but BA recently slotted him as the Padres #10 prospect.
Hassell, 21 this month, was the eighth overall pick in the 2020 draft. He’s a lefty-hitting outfielder who brings a generally well-rounded center field profile. The Tennessee native is regarded as a future plus hitter, and while he doesn’t have overwhelming power, he brings strong bat-to-ball skills and plenty of defensive value. Through 346 plate appearances in High-A this season, Hassell owns a .299/.379/.467 line with ten homers, 20 stolen bases, a lofty 11% walk rate and a solid 19.1% strikeout percentage.
Wood, 19, was the Friars second-round pick last season. A toolsy high school outfielder from Florida, he had swing-and-miss concerns as a draft prospect that led to some questions about his ability to consistently tap into his huge power potential. The 6’7″ outfielder has reportedly made major changes to his mechanics since entering pro ball, however, and he’s tearing the cover off the ball in Low-A. Across 236 plate appearances, the lefty-hitting Wood owns a .337/.453/.601 line. He’s popped 10 homers, swiped 15 bases and has a robust 15.7% walk rate against a more than manageable 17.8% strikeout rate. BA suggests he could be a middle-of-the-order bat capable of swatting 30-plus homers annually at his peak.
Susana, 18, just signed in this past international amateur class. A 6’6″ right-hander, he’s already been clocked into the mid-upper 90s with a plus slider. Susana’s youth and distance from the majors — he’s yet to advance past the complex level — make him a high-risk prospect, but BA notes that he’s a similar caliber of prospect as the same-aged high school pitchers who went in the first round of last month’s domestic amateur draft.
Finally, the Nationals round out the return with Voit. A late entrant to the discussions after Eric Hosmer refused to waive his no-trade rights to go to Washington (leading to his subsequent trade to the Red Sox), Voit moves to both replace Bell in the Washington lineup and offset some salary. Acquired from the Yankees over the offseason, Voit has played in 82 games with San Diego. The 2020 home run champ, he hasn’t managed to replicate that kind of production over the last two seasons. He hit a slightly above-average level in the Bronx last year while battling injuries, and it’s been a fairly similar story in San Diego.
Through 344 plate appearances, Voit owns a .225/.317/.416 line with 13 homers. He’s striking out at a personal-worst 32% rate, but he’s hit for decent enough power to post overall offensive production a bit above par. He’ll presumably see the bulk of first base playing time down the stretch in the nation’s capital. Voit is arbitration-eligible through 2024, although he may be a non-tender candidate, since he’d otherwise be due a raise on this year’s $5.45MM salary.
It’s a blockbuster that’ll have reverberations around the game for years. San Diego is anticipating Soto will go down as one of the most impactful trade pickups in MLB history, and he and Bell will immediately feature in the middle of a lineup the club hopes is set to embark on a long-term playoff run. For the Nationals, it’s an emphatic closing of the book on the franchise’s previous stretch of success — one that brings in an influx of new faces Washington hopes can eventually form the core of another contender in the NL East years down the line.
Bob Nightengale of USA Today first reported the Padres and Nationals were moving close on a Soto deal. Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported the sides had agreed on a deal sending Bell and Soto to San Diego, as well as the inclusion of each of Abrams, Hassell, Wood and Susana. Jim Bowden of the Athletic reported Gore’s inclusion, while Nightengale was first to report Voit was being dealt.
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Wowzers
Great deal for Padres!
They will probably have no qualms extending Soto, too, at $500 million.
Unbelievable. Even if Bell weren’t included, that seems like a paltry price. Maybe more to be announced?
That’s all of the Padres top prospects! (Mackenzie Gore is also included). That’s probably the biggest collection of prospect talent ever included in a major league trade.
its not paltry just because they aren’t household names. these are legit prospects. check out their stats. ALL very good prospects.
Ah…Gore. Now it’s matching up better. But still…
Yes huge amount of top prospects.
Padres going for it i have to respect that
Another player besides Gore yet to be announced…..
Hosmer
But there’s another major league not mentioned yet. My guess it will be morejon. If that’s the case Gore Morejon Hassell wood Susana and Abrams is darn good haul
Prospects…NOT big league players
Not quite all. Of the FG top ten, we still have Campusano, Merrill, and Zavala. I don’t count WIlson and Knehh, 9 and 10, because they’re just dudes.
Preller must be awfully tempted to go after Contreras and / or Happ, maybe shipping out Myers, by giving up just about everybody.
As a Cards fan I am very happy. Assuming both the Pads and Cards make the play-off San Diego may be impossible to beat, But now we keep all of our young stars!
Personally, I would rather have two years of Soto, than a handful of possibilities. Prospects don’t compare to the proven talent of Soto and Bell. The odds do not favor prospects making it to the majors, let alone being impact players. There are hundreds of past top prospects no longer in baseball. For the Nats’ sake, I certainly do hope at least one pans out (Abrams, please). Just my opinion.
Until Hosmer declines the trade and another team swoops in! Lol
It’s hosmer
Agreed.
You can respect trying, I suppose. How about succeeding? Hosmer was a “try.” Wil Myers was a ‘try”. Taylor Trammell was a “try.” Austin Nola was a “try.” Mike Clevinger was a “try.” I find it humorous that no matter what the results, splashing about in the water with no direction is considered better than silently gliding across the pool.
I can’t stand the Dodgers, but they are head and shoulders ahead of San Diego in their shrewd use of assets.
And they all are not impressive. Lol
Johan Santana was a bit of haul.
Guys like you can say that, but we’ll never hear from you when the cumulative WAR of those acquired exceeds Soto down the road, particularly on a $/WAR basis. All your golden eggs dealt for one guy rarely pans out, especially when that one guy can’t field, can’t run, and can’t throw. Yes, he’s on the fast track toward DH-dom, but hey, enjoy all the glitter that comes with a starry lineup and precious little else.
Not to quibble, buts it’s 2 and a third seasons of Soto – point being it’s a play for at least THREE straight, high-caliber post-season runs.
@goob, That’s not quibbling. That’s a significant part of his value.
Miguel Cabrera and Carlos Beltran say hi. So does Roy Halladay (RIP). None of the prospects involved made the acquiring team regret the deals, even if they didn’t result in a championship (Detroit and Houston).
Very few prospects pan out.
Soto doesn’t want to play there. They got a king’s ransom for him. The Nats now have arguably one of the best farm systems in the league. With Soto they stunk. Without him they now have a ton of talented prospects who might pan out. It also gives them a ton of payroll flexibility. With their backs against the wall they did the best they could’ve…Good for them.
Too bad this isn’t the NBA.
There’s really no way to get a satisfactory return for a guy like Soto
You are missing the point. Bell will be a free agent so he would have been gone anyway. He was not going to sign with a rebuilding team. Soto has 2 1/3 years left and not the 2.5 that I keep reading. He was not going to sign a long extension with a team that will have a losing record this year and probably the next two years as well. It made sense to trade him now and not two years from now because you get a lot more for him. Look at it from the Padres’ perspective. They have Soto for two playoff runs and then can trade him in July of 24 if they don’t think that they can sign him. It is true many prospects don’t end up staying in the majors but it is definitely the better alternative than losing Soto for nothing. Think what would have happened if they kept him until he became a free agent. They would be totally screwed.
Probably Myers instead.
I get why the Padres did it. One WS appearance has been worth over $100 million in that year and the following season, so if Soto helps them to a deep run in the playoffs then they make all that money and have something the Angels might not see again with Arte as the owner, a WS trophy. .
Reading an article from BA that mentioned that over the past 22 years less than 10% of their top 100 prospects have had a career WAR that is above the MLB average of 2.0 per season. About 20% have even one season that is average or better. Prospects are a crap shoot and Soto is a proven hitter.
Thanks for that. I, like everyone else, had no idea that prospects and ML players are not the same.
By the time prospects are included in a trade (or excluded from a trade) teams often have a very good idea if this or that prospect will pan out — which is why you will almost certainly not see Adley Rutschman, Anthony Volpe or Francisco Alvarez in a trade.
The Nats had no choice. Why don’t people understand that? I’ll take my chances with 20% prospect success rate. What’s the worst…I end up with a Sandy Alcantara who was a prospect with the Cards and got traded for Marcel Ozuna?
Abrams and Gore have both underwhelmed at the highest level with obvious warts post super hype. Awful return for the Nats without a sure fire headliner.
The Cards or Dodgers could have included a legit MLB productive piece with equivalent prospects.
Now if only Strasburg and Corbin would retire. Yes, I know they would be walking away $$$$ but all Strasburg is doing is collecting money for being hurt. That is how he will be remembered. All Corbin is doing is getting bombed.
seamaholic 2— It’s quite a haul, but I don’t see C.J. Abrams ever panning out. No matter what, Padres got the player of the century and as a Giants fan I’m only happy that the Dodgers didn’t get him.
Voit.
Why on Earth would they do that???
Believeitornot, well said. I think this trade is a win win for both franchises. Soto was all but gone from Nats and they net a healthy prospects haul. SD has become a powerhouse with additions of Drury, Bell, Soto, and Hader. Having Soto for another 2 seasons makes SD exciting for foreseeable future.
I’m sure they are both wiping their tears with $1m bills feeling guilty…poor chaps.
Two years of Soto alone does not get you close to a World Series.
Nats obviously rebuilding. Needed to make this trade.
and even after having many winning seasons in a row, trading quite a few prospects for Max , Turner, and Betts. they still have a strong farm. I give my hats off to their scouting team and supporting coaches in the minors. sadly I have to give similar credit to the Astros as they’re no longer living the top 3 pick life and their farm is strong also.
I don’t really get why people don’t rout for every prospect to succeed regardless of the team nor rise about their own team bias and just see a trade for what it is and move on. you posted good logic
I am sure when most saw the Padres had traded for him they assumed Tatis and Machado would be coming back with those prospects. With San Diego picking up most of their contracts of course. I am actually rather surprised the haul was that good. They are getting a season and a half more than the Dodgers got in the Betts trade but Mookie also didn’t have a half year at the plate like Soto has this year. Has made me wonder if he only hit like a superstar because of the protection he had in the lineup up to last year.
This is an insane return for the Nats.
Gore has huge upside and was a (if not the) top pitching prospect before he got wild.
Hassell has an advanced hit tool that could eventually lead the majors in hitting.
Abrams had a disappointing intro to the majors but should have never been called up. Wasn’t fair to him.
Wood is a freak of an athlete with surprisingly advanced hit tool, really nice power and speed. The guy is 6’7 and freakishly athletic
Susana is a tremendous get as well. Big, hard thrower dominating lower levels.
Most will make the argument prospects are just prospects but these guys are all legit guys with sky high ceilings to help build a tremendous future foundation.
I agree… doesn’t look like the Soto package is all that impressive, add bell to the mix and it’s kind of a head scratcher.
Exactly!
If that is all they gave up, then it’s a heck-a deal.
Gore is included. It makes more sense now.
Aww yes..+another minor leaguer tbd
Make that a major leaguer. Who would the Nats want? Grisham?
and still yet another player to be announced.. A helleva haul
Hosmer. Oof.
Back to a great deal for Padres.
I wonder if the Pads are kicking in some cash.
It is not. They now have the worst farm system in baseball. This is almost literally ALL of their prospects of note except guys they just drafted or signed. They have this year with Bell, and next year with Soto, because they won’t be able to sign either one long term with Tatis on the books and all those pitchers nearing free agency too. It’s a calculated risk for a 2 year window. I respect the all-in mentality, but this is a FANTASTIC deal for the Nats, who suddenly go from a bottom 5 farm to a top 10.
That would be funny if Hosmer said no trade.
He might lol
He should. Why would we want to play for a bottom-feeding team at this stage of his career? Especially since he could stay in SD and potentially win a championship.
Most likely.
They have Soto until the end of 2024.
Melvin and Preller (probably Boras as well, who represents many of the players in this deal) will have made it clear to Hosmer that he’s going to become a bench player if he stays.
Hosmer, trades not officially done until he signs off on it
I would if I was him. Go to one of the worst teams in baseball? not me
Hosmer is the type of guy who would say no. He always been a jackass. Would be a big mistake because he would be hated by every SD and Nationals fan while blackballing toi ever have a mutli year contract again.
@DonnyElementary “You’re like a child who wonders into the middle of a Chat Room with no frame of reference” Great Win now move for the padres but they literally gave the farm and looks even more Dicey with Gore included. If Soto walks in 2 years and they don’t win a championship it’s going to be a huge blow.
You mean the Machado contract. Tatis is on the cheap for a few more years and shouldn’t restrict the team much
It is a huge risk for the Padres but the Nats shouldn’t have had to take Hosmer and are helping the Padres with their supposed budget constraints
As a selfish Yankee fan, maybe we can squeeze in here and make it a 3 team trade.
Expensive trash in for expensive trash out.
Hosmer ends up on Yankees, along with a mid level prospect or (i wish) profar ,and Nats get hicks and Gallo?
Basically same $ to Nats, Hosmer can’t Block the deal. Pads would need to throw in profar to make the deal happen and we can send a prospect to SD.
Why would using his contractual right make him a jackass? He doesn’t owe anyone anything and earned that 10-team no-trade.
And it looks like the Nats are not helping out much financially. So, this trade looks fairer. It’s all up to Hosmer. The nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Trades done. Stop commenting because making yankee fans look stupid.
Permutations. I guess it is done and no, I’m not a Yankees fan.
Thanks, Eric, this is a blast.
Nats literally rebuilt their farm system in 1 trade. No better way to do this.
The only reason Hosmer isn’t a bench player now is sunk cost fallacy.
Gore is a bad pitcher.
He is staying in San Diego but the rest of the deal is good to go
Hosner has already refused to waive his no-trade clause,
he did
The thing with Hosmer is San Diego were going to pay his 39 million regardless if he said yes or no. It would now be totally valid if San Diego put Hosmer on waivers and see who wants him, where he may not be on a team that contends. That is what happens when players try to play both sides against the middle. They now have Bell to take Hosmer’s place and wouldn’t that be something to see. lol.
Ok, Voit is going instead. I’m relieved it’s over. Now the Cubs might get to make a deal now.
“Always been a jackass”
Reality— always a reputation as a team guy/ good teammate. One of the reasons he was bright to SD in first place.
Soto will be a Yankee in 3 years. Or maybe even back to the Nats.
A bunch of injured garbage for Soto! What a fleecing. The Cardinals FO is full of buffoons….on National TV looking like morons in DC. Wow!
Let’s revisit this trade 5 or so years from now if the Padres give Soto $500 million. What did the Padres gives Tatia? North of $300 million? 2 players $800 million total?
Wow it didn’t even take the 3 years I originally predicted.
This is the greatest day in Padres history.
Mom can you bake up a fresh batch of cookies for the guys they will be in the basement talking about this one for awhile.
Make mine chocolate chip while I teach thekid9 (“Thank you, Johnny Superscout”) create an original comment.
Someone put Dave Martinez out of his misery
I actually feel bad for Voit. He’s been dealt from contenders to a full on rebuild.
Cool.
Could this go the same way as Max Scherzer’s trade last year?
That would be both cruel and hilarious.
What do yyou mean?
That would SUCK!!! I would see humor in it though.
Not quite the same because Soto has a couple more years of control.
For those who forgot….
mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/padres-close-to-acquiri…
the very next day….
mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/dodgers-making-signific…
Sorry, not happening this year. Dodgers don’t, and never did, have the prospects to get Soto. They were always going to be reliant on the Nats wanting to rid of Corbin as part of it, which the Nats smartly didn’t want to do.
You’re aren’t very smart if you think that. All 3 teams linked to Soto the last couple days had top farm systems. It was just a matter of who wanted Soto more and it was the padres
I didn’t think it would happen this year, but AJ is a loose cannon.
I think the Dodgers have more top 100 prospects than San Diego?
Padres gave up what essentially was 4 top 100 prospects… Gore and Abrams were both top 100 last year but removed this year because they weren’t prospects anymore, and they’ve already shown success in the majors this year.
The Dodgers’ best prospect is a catcher, and the Nats already got Ruiz last year. Dodgers have more top 100’s now, but once Gore and Abrams were part of the package, the Dodgers just can’t compete since those are both top 100’s with Major League experience at SS and SP. The Dodgers got the Scherzer and Turner trade because Rizzo specifically wanted Ruiz that year. Otherwise, he was looking elsewhere.
My point was simply to the dude that posted the whole “look what happened with Scherzer, the Dodgers then beat the package the next day. Yeah, that was completely different. Zero chance that happens this year. And actually, it was probably the opposite because I’m sure this was centered around whether the Padres included Gore or something to that sort. As soon as that happened, they said yes. I’m guessing that package took the Padres’ offer over the one that the Cards offered, and that the Dodgers were a distant 3rd in this race.
Where the beer flows like wine
thats a little place called Assssspen….
San Diego microbreweries are top notch.
Nothing compared to Washington and Oregon!
Mother Earth’s Boo Koo is the cream.
I dunno, Lloyd, the French are a-holes.
Wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?!
Oh my god
Hosmer is gonna wave the trade off
Possibly, they’ll just have to find a way to make the trade without him.
Was the 2nd highest bidder so close they had to give him the no trade?
Rather have him go to the padres then dodgers. Soto would definitely make dodgers lineup unstoppable and with him there’s still holes. Not scared of their pitching as a whole.
So you want the Padres to trade him to the Dodgers or are you thinking of free agency in the future?
I’m thinking as a mets fan if we were to play either in the playoffs. Dodgers with soto their lineup would have been ridiculous. Padres lineup even with soto tatis and Machado have holes and their pitching is not as good.
Dodgers lead MLB in OPS and ERA. Every team has some holes (Muncy, Bellinger), but there is help on the way.
Any other team and Bellinger would have been replaced. I can’t imagine how much longer LA can keep him around.
But they’re still in on Gallo, right?
We’ll call you tomorrow?
Why do you think they acquired Soto? Flipping him.
Gallo for Soto
Waiting for him to clear release waivers…..
something vaguely familiar about this
Dude!
I say no.
He’s still not enough for them to win it all. Need more OF help. Happ?
Nothing left to trade
Always something
Campusano and Morejon. All this action and they still have 2 of their top 5 prospects down on the farm.
Really hope it’s deja vu and he goes somewhere else….just for the story line
Once this dam breaks, the trades are gonna start flowin’ something fierce….
They’ve already been flowing something fierce. Big names left are Contreras and JDM, maybe Rodon. Compared to the names that have already been moved – Castillo, Montas, Mancini, and now Soto – I’d say the remaining star power on the block is significantly less.
Maybe the Tigers can finally trade Fulmer and Chafin.
To the Mets, please.
If the Padres can’t win with Machado, Tatis and Soto on their infield Preller gonna be looking like a clown.
Well Soto could be a hell of a defensive liability on the infield since he’s never played there….
I keep forgetting Soto isn’t an infielder. Regardless with those 3 they HAVE to win it all or Preller is out of a job
Keep forgetting? Keep forgetting that Cujo is a dog
For $500 million I’m sure he can find a way to adapt.
Soto is an outfielder
Pretty sure Soto will play the OF.
Wowwww
Abrams Hassell Wood Susana
Wow. Keeping Gore and Morejon is huge.
Morosi saying maybe Gore involved too
Yup. Just confirmed by MLBTR. It seemed a little light. Has to mean Myers probably goes too just to clear money for tax purposes right?
If Gore was involved, he would’ve been in the initial report, not an afterthought. If anyone else is involved in what’s already been reported, it’ll be a throw-in.
He’s included, per MLBTR and other sources.
Refresh Ry
whoops
Ry the wronger change your name now buddy.
Gore is part of the return.
AND BELL!!!!
They weren’t kidding when they said talks were gaining momentum.
Only Abrams, Hassel, Wood, Susana for Bell and Soto? Not bad by SD
“Only”? Those are three amazing prospects (four if you include Gore), and a kid who throws 100 thrown in as the cherry on top.
At seam. Gore wasn’t included in the first reports.
and Gore
Adding Gore makes more sense. Is the MLB player involved Hosmer or Myers?
The 6th is Hosmer but he must waive his NTC
Or Myers?
High upside but most are far away. Robert Hassell OF looks like the most sure thing unless you’re a fan of Abrams. Padres mostly gave up their last few top draft picks
Wow. Mostly interested in what they had to give up, to be honest.
Soto & Bell.. That explains why SD emptied the farm system. Good for the team and their fans.
I’m heartbroken
LA>SD. They might get beat this year, but I would bet on Friedman over Preller every year after this year.
Wow!!soto bell machado and tatis look out
Amazing. Wish them the best. That said, oh the pressure on this GM and ownership to win and win now. Oof! Stay healthy San Diego and go gettem!
This is good for the league! Dodgers fans in hell right now.
I think they’ll be okay. LA can’t have all the all stars. This move does seal the fate of San Francisco but they weren’t going to pass SD anyway
LA fans think it’s their god-given right to have every star player, so I’m happy it worked out for the city of San Diego. Doesn’t guarantee a result obviously, but that team was going nowhere fast.
The Dodgers are the NL Yankees.
Sorry to disappoint you. But this Dodger fan is happy they didn’t give up the farm for two years of a .240 hitter.
Same here
Ditto!!!
You know, what would be “good for the league” is either to just group all of the small market/payroll teams into one, happy division. If not, maybe it’s just time to form a new league for them entirely. But yeah, good for the league
After the trade deadline. I wonder if tigers, royals,pirates, washington
Combined could make a playoff team.
nah we good
Please. The Cardinals have two guys in their line up to worry about, not much else. And their pitching scares no one. Yeah, NL Central teams were scared to death of one more stick, no help for the pitching staff and the undoubted loss of top Cardinals prospects. Ok
The Padres have gone for it multiple times under Preller, all unsuccessfully
They’ve been one of the best teams in baseball for the last 5 years, are in 1st place now and look to have a pretty decent years left…I think they’ll be fine.
Not counting 2022, they have had ONE above .500 season (during a shortened season no less) in over a decade. So… no.
1st place in the city? They most certainly are not in first place right now.
The amount of $$$ ownership is green lighting right now is comical. The Dodgers will have a lower payroll than the Padres for years to come.
Hahaha @Neon Cop! Padres did get better but not even close. Padres pitching suspect and a few prima donnas on same team, recipe for disaster
This neon cop dude wakes up in the morning thinking of the dodgers. Do they pay you rent or live in your head for free?
@Jim, the “rent free” thing is played out beyond belief…get more creative!
@Neon cop
Your obsession with the dodgers is played out. You’re constantly arguing with LA fans here. It’s gotten old man. You look like a salty giants fan or a heartbroken ex. move on
Hey again Jim! Your opinion has zero effect on my posting habits. Need a tissue?
Well damn. Really like soto and now i have to root against him 18 times a year. My giants are going to really have to play catch up in this division over next 5+ years
With Farhan and Baer at the helm, a move like this is never going to happen. Those dudes are cheap and still stuck on “we won 107 games last year!”
Don’t count Farhan out. He is doing it the smart way.
He is already out
Giants had one of the top payrolls in baseball for about a decade. It is not about $$$, it’s about not ditching an entire farm they spent the last three years rebuilding for two years of a player. Believe it or not, the Giants are trying to restructure their entire organization, not try to buy a championship which bit them in the butt in the late 2010s (Longoria, McCutchen, Cueto, Shark, Melancon).
Wow. Nationals got next to nothing for two years of Juan Soto (and Bell)
This is the downfall of Rizzo. He’s out of a job after this
Abrams is terrible, man. He’s never going to work out like they’re banking on
Susana and Wood are both bust prospects. This is worse than the Cabrera trade
Hassell will be a solid major leaguer, but nothing special
Gore also
And Gore is terrible too. Sean Newcomb 2.0
Oh.. so you’ve seen the future and you know how this turns out? Care to enlighten us?
So people that don’t think prospects will be great are idiots that cannot see the future, but people that make those prospect lists apparently can see the future and are treated like gods here? Amazing.
They’re not gods. But they’re way smarter on prospects than the rest of us, so we defer to them for prospect knowledge.
@dodgers, no theyre not. Speak for yourself, not other people. Im consistently 98% accurate on every prospect
The reason is, it’s not that hard to project. Like NFL combines that didnt see much out of Tom Brady, most of the people in front offices rely solely on physical metrics
Few of them have any idea whats going on, like most (if not all) of the commenters here
Ive been consistently correct on tons and tons of draft prospects. Sale, Gorman, Wacha, Renfroe, Rendon, Sonny Gray, Rodon, Nola, AJ Puk, Royce Lewis to name a few that slipped down when they shouldnt have. Ive consistently nailed, like Rendon, the best player in the draft, or at the minimum the guy who ended up top 5 WAR in that draft, including Puk, who went in the 6th round
It’s not difficult if you have a logical intellect, which so few do, rather than needing to base everything on combine/physical data
When I say that the Nationals got absolutely nothing for Soto and Bell, trust me, in 10 years everyone will be saying Hassell and his 8 career WAR was the best player in the deal
Im not always right (thought Taylor Jungmann was a top guy for one example, was high on Chris Marrero) but Im right most of the time, certainly more than GMs, prospect list guys, and scouts
It is not hard at all to forecast, if you are logically based, which so few sadly are these days
Now everyone says, well why arent you in a front office then, well thats not something I want to spend my life on
Sure, Jan.
“Why aren’t I in a front office, well not something I want to spend my life on.”
Re: no front office would offer me a job. I’m unemployed and instead prefer spending my time presenting idiotic, long-winded, clueless commentary (with nothing factual to back it up) for free.
yeah who would want a job paying huge money doing something that comes so easily? how fortunate are we to get this windbag for free.
I’m right 98% of the time, what a imbecile.
If you are correct, I would graciously like to encourage you to go apply for a job to work for my favorite team, because all teams could use your advantage, and I am TERRIFIED that the Padres will get you first. mlb.com/dodgers/team/jobs /s
Also, everyone you named there was a top 20 overall pick. It’s not like you were magically identifying hidden gems. You had a decent if any success rate in identifying successful players out of a group of players likely to be successful. Royce Lewis was a #1 overall pick! He didn’t “slip down when he shouldn’t have,” he was a consensus top pick. Puk, who you bizarrely claim went to the sixth round hoping that readers won’t check up on you, went in the first round, 6th overall. Secondly, Cole, Lindor, Betts, Springer, and Semien all have as much or more WAR than Rendon from the 2011 draft, so that claim is also false. Third, AJ Puk isn’t even CLOSE to top 5 in WAR from the 2016 draft. The Dodgers alone drafted 4 players (Lux, Smith, May, Gonsolin) with higher rWAR than him.
You write that “ It’s not difficult if you have a logical intellect, which so few do.”
Care to explain your logical process?
You also write that “Now everyone says, well why arent [sic] you in a front office then, well thats [sic] not something I want to spend my life on.”
You don’t have to be in a front office! You can, for example, produce prospect lists. Write all about the players you enjoy! You already do this in the comments section, so why can’t you take it to a bigger audience? You are already “spending your life on (writing your thoughts on players),” so that argument doesn’t work.
I think it’s pretty clear. You are NOT a prospect expert, and are definitely not right 98% of the time. That’s JUST FINE. You don’t need to be a genius. None of us are prospect experts either, and NO ONE has a 98% success rate. We are just average people here to share our thoughts about our favorite teams, built with reliable sources, ones who actually know what they are talking about, not our own non-existent “logical intellects.”
lmao, in every draft most of the 1st round picks are busts. I’ve identified almost every one that will have a better major league career
The Mets for example, instead of Matt Harvey, Gavin Cecchini, Dominic Smith, and Jared Kelenic, would have had Chris Sale, Michael Wacha, Hunter Renfroe, and Nolan Gorman if they had simply asked me, “Who do we pick?”
I also identify the picks that won’t be any good, like Spencer Torkelson for just one example
As for Puk, I was so shocked that Micky Moniak, Nick Senzel, and Cory Ray were all picked before Puk that day, that when I looked up where he was drafted I saw 6 and thought it said 6th round. All I remembered is Puk falling way too far that day. I also thought Puk might have had signability issues and fell to the 6th rd that day
I was high on Puk, Kyle Lewis, Cal Quantrill, and Jay Groome that day. It wasn’t a loaded draft. There’s sometimes one or two that don’t make it
And the same applies to later rounds. If I really wanted to dig for information, watch videos etc I could find many of the better players in all the later rounds also
In a single draft I can almost guarantee that I’d have more major league players than most other teams in 5 years of drafting
Everyone thinks it’s “so hard to project” players but it’s not. You can literally watch one or two at bats and you can know instantly everything you need to know about a player. The two most important being pitch recognition and mechanics issues
A good hitter you can always see he sees the pitch instantly and casually, like Rutschman does
The bad hitters are jumpy, they can’t recognize the pitch. That NEVER changes. Either the batter has that or he doesn’t
With pitchers, you can easily see if his mechanics will work out and if the stuff plays or not
The reason I can do it and most can’t is because I’m not looking at the raw physical data and the “tools” but rather what the stuff looks like, perceived velo, harmonics of swings and pitches, etc
There’s too much NFL-like “combine” data they gather and they’re missing the Tom Brady’s in the draft all the time
I would never take the job. and many other jobs, because I’d have to battle all the enviers who have no idea what they’re doing, have bad instincts, that insist violently to take the bad players, and with their bad instincts they see all the good players as the terrible ones
And there’s more of them in every office. Failures, people with bad instincts, outnumber the 1 or 2 people who do know, and they always insist violently and tyrannically that they know better.
They’re everywhere on this site also. And they all gang up together against the one guy that knows better, and with a violent insistence that their player is the way
Every company, every office is LOADED with these types of people. The one thing they hate the most is any guy who knows better
Yeah you can eventually win out and get everyone to listen. but not without a massive amount of miserable hassle. And some are so stubborn they never submit to anything, they try to get you fired, try to gang up with other people on you, and even go digging up ways to destroy you however they can
“A good hitter you can always see he sees the pitch instantly and casually, like Rutschman does.
The bad hitters are jumpy, they can’t recognize the pitch. That NEVER changes. Either the batter has that or he doesn’t.”
Are you SURE that people who spend their entire careers and teams who spend millions of dollars to find edges haven’t yet figured out this supposedly simple trick? Or are you just another snake oil salesman trying to sell me a magic weight loss pill or something?
@dodgersworld Yes, absolutely positive of it. They think it’s something you can “develop” or coach.
They’re against the whole notion that players are born with any innate ability making one better at recognizing and laying off pitches than another
Also, nothing can explain the draft picks they make. Mickey Moniak, Spencer Torkelson, and so many other obvious bust prospects
Wood is a bust prospect? He was only drafted last year, is like 19, and is tearing up single A. Couple years hes gonna be a stud.
lmao James Wood. Never going to work out
You must be a salty Dodgers fan or you’re just an idiot. I’m not sure which.
@MC Tim – I’d put good money on “both”
Definitely both.
Based on his name and comments about the Orioles, I’d say he roots for Baltimore. I root for Angels and Dodgers and I’m happy SD got Soto. More talent in the west is good for CA baseball fans
Your takes are generally awful, this one is no different. I can’t tell if you are trolling or not.
The Lerners are selling the team and whoever buys it is going to want their own person. He’s out of a job regardless.
Camden, What are you basing your “evaluations” on?
The voices in his head. He has been off his meds for far too long.
Stop, he’s 98% accurate, but just forgot to document anywhere.
Lmao at dragbunt, yeah you would think the guy would be a gm and the highest paid in the league by far. 98% correct lmao. What a buffoon.
This is why John Mozeliak pulls no bitches
Must be quite a haul going back to the Nats.
you can read the article you know who who Washington got
Go for it Padres! Wow, what a trade.
Does this mean the Nats are taking Hosmer, since they also are getting Bell?
rejoice NL Central! no Juan Soto and soon no Nolan Arenado unless the Cardinals actually make a real move to improve.
I don’t think Arenado is opting out.
uuuggghhhhh!!!
why the hell not! Unstickingreal!
And so many were saying that Soto wouldn’t be traded until the off-season (if then).
My goodness, what a HAUL
What a deal for the Padres! Wonder if they’ll be able to sign him to an extension.
If Gore is truly included, then it’s still a fair deal, but good on the Padres for going for it.
I’m familiar with Abrams, what do the other prospects bring to the Nats?
I’d rather have Hassle and Wood. All star potential. All around outfielders. Susana is young but promising pitcher.
Why are Padre fans sour on Abrams?? He’s only played 106 MINOR league games (at 3 levels) total and 40 games with the Padres.
Hardly a bust.
I am not sour on him. I was never as high on him as prospect sites. He’s been what I expected so far.
As a Pad fan, I haven’t soured on him at all. He hasn’t hit the ball with much authority, which worries me, but he’s a kid still.
It’s Juan Friggin’ Soto. I’d have traded two Abrams for him.
What no Hosmer going the other way?
OH YEAH HOSMER TO WASHINGTON!
If WAS had to take Hos and his contract, Gore and or Morejohn would have had to be included. But SD still does have to figure out what to do with Hosmer and/or Myers.
I swear if Hosmer is a total c-block and blocks the trade my day will be ruined.
There’s an agreed upon Plan B but if you were Hoz would you want to make the entire city hate you for choosing to stay? Just take the NTC buyout and collect checks in DC.
I won’t be mad at Hosmer if he turns down the deal. Preller negotiated it, Hosmer’s absolutely entitled to exercise it.
The Padres are apparently paying for Hosmer once he goes to Washington. I would assume that his luxury tax hit for SD goes down to 13M because of the trade, instead of being AAV like it would be if he stayed. That might be the main reason they wouldn’t just cut him, because of the luxury tax implications.
If what I heard about SD paying his salary is true, they can find a team not on his NTC to take him.
Cards fail again
Have the Brewers ever succeeded? Flags never fly in “the good land”.
1. BeatSD. BeatLA
2. Hope these guys end up good for the Nats. Once the Braves are dethrone, no one wants to see the Mets win again.
3. Really hope the Braves consider trading Acuna before his value drops
trade acuna, are you crazy I can tell you’re not a real braves fan they need to sign Swanson and get Michael Taylor
Understandable you still think Acuna is a superstar.
Lololol. Being a cardinal fan has to suck. You’re not always the bridesmaid, you’re not even in the wedding party. More like the caterer or the valet. Enjoy Quintana and JoJo.
lol your team traded for Goldy and Arenado in the last few years
Listen here Freddie. The cardinals are not my team. They’re so pitiful they don’t deserve to ever be capitalized
Really? Cardinals just won some Series lately, San Diego never has.
“Just” lololololol
No.
No one feels bad for the Cards especially after Holbrook or watever his name is gifted the 2012 wild card game to them.
Thanks Chaim
In the end Padres are going to have to cough up more
A for WAS
F for SD. They could have had Jankowski for nothing. He hits as well as Soto but also has 92 sprint speed and gold glove defense.
You’re the guy who just said you’d rather have Susana and Wood
You don’t have any clue what’s going on or how to project and evaluate, trust me
Trusting me is all you can do because you don’t have a clue how it works
Camden is the expert, yet can’t explain his thought process besides just stating it’s common sense….
I am SO glad the Cardinals didn’t get Soto! Now that Soto is off the board the Cards can focus on their pitching needs.
Liar
They did that last night with Quintana Stratton.
Dodgers are quaking more than the San Andreas.
If they have anything left…maybe contreas or happ…or more importantly they should try for pitching help?
That doesn’t seem like enough for Soto.
More than anyone else paid.
In my defense, the report of the deal wasn’t complete when I said that. It looks much better now.
And gore makes more sense
Bell in Taco Bell unis. Never saw that coming before today.
Just for a first round exit, hahaha still cool to see.
Game Changer That’s Going All In!
Nice that they have also acquired Josh Bell.
Remember when the Padres “acquired” Scherzer and Turner and then the dodgers completed the deal like an hour later? That was hilarious. I don’t think that will happen again, but it was hilarious when it happened.
Yes. Won’t happen this time unless someone fails a physical or something.
What if hosmer doesn’t waive his no trade clause to wash
Hassell, Wood, Gore, Adam’s and one more prospect to the Nats per Jim Bowdan.
Also Susana
He is.
Wow!!! That looks like a steal!
Holy smokes, here we go
They’ll still lose to the dodgers in the playoffs
Lipstick on a pig
BTV likes this trade for the Padres by $57m.
Actually $28m with Gore’s inclusion.
And $63m once you include Hosmer.
Current figure for this trade is $28m surplus value to SD. I was originally going to say final figure but if I did that with my luck the Padres would include another prospect in the deal.
I’m sure Preller went there first before pulling the trigger.
No, Hosmer was added as a salary dump. lolz
From what I can tell, it looks like BTV has wood as a 1b so…
I’m just telling you what they think of this trade.
Did the M’s give up more for Castillo?
No way. Lol
No. Not close.
No, not even close. Marte and Arroyo are lottery tickets. Abrams, Gore and Hassell are much safer bets.
Not even close
No
It’s 2+ seasons of Soto plus half a season of Bell. Versus only 1+ season of Castillo. Should be a huge difference in the return.
Something still seems very off here that is way too light of a return if it’s soto and bell
Whomp whomp no excuses now if Padres don’t win a World Series. Preller just put his neck on the block.
If the Padres sign him to a long term deal, we’re looking at potentially the Padres and Braves sustaining their position for years to come. Well done, provided no major injuries occur.
Soto isn’t signing a long term deal,
Soto will sign a long term deal in 2.5 years for mega dollars – and the highest bidder.
Bell was added as a salary dump. That’s all. To be honest, it wasn’t enough for me if I were the Nationals. A YOUNG future HOF for a bunch of “possibilities”. You build around guys like this. Good for the Phillies moving him out of the NLEast.
Bell doesn’t have negative value.
Bell has a 152 OPS+. Not a salary dump at all.
One more major leaguer….
This greatly hurts the Rockies chances of making the postseason.
First Bryant to the DL, now this. Just can’t catch a break.
I can’t tell if you’re joking or serious, and I’m all here for it.
Seems like SD has.an unlimited farm system last 2yrs. Surely is depleted now?
Teams with no farm take note.
They have Campusano left, and that’s about it..and he may be on his way out if they’re still in on Contreras..which I wouldn’t count AJ out on..
Massive
Utterly genius strategy by the Padres. Draft all these bad prospects other GMs think are great, and then trade them for Soto, Darvish, etc
I thought the Padres were always considered a small market team. They have to be the next big spenders behind the Dodgers right?
Their new owners don’t care. Truth is any of these billionaire owners could spend like the Padres. Many just choose not too
They haven’t signed Soto to anything yet as he is still arbitration eligible for the next two years. If they can’t afford him in two years they give him a qualifying offer and let him go.
That is quite the prospect haul going to the Nats. Two studs in Abrams and Gore, and three of the Padres top 15 prospects (including 1 and #3). Padres are going for the win now and I don’t blame them, but wow, the Nats have just totally reshaped their future, potentially.
And this is why the assertion that “There will be more bidders in the off-season” is simply not true. If a current non-contender that plans on being a contender in 2023 and 2024 tries to wait until the off-season to trade for Soto then they risk someone else getting to him first.
That seems like quite the steal for the Padres.
Honestly didn’t think they’d get a Soto deal done. Figured it would be on new management.
I was honestly thinking that myself. I thought the price would be too high to get it done before at least this offseason. Never imagined the Nationals would actually take back a bad contract, too.
Brewers got a better prospect, Esteury Ruiz, for Bader than the Nationals did for Juan Soto
Not at all. Gore is truly the best prospect coming to the Nationals even if he requires TJ surgery.
hahahah, thats so funny man that you think Gore is a good prospect. hahaha
Yeah well, what do you expect? Abrams and Gore both stink. I mean, neither one is anywhere close to Esteury Ruiz, right Camden?
Don’t feed the trolls. He was bad enough when he was Samuel. Now as Camden he is insufferable.
@Camden453- ain’t nobody more delusional then these deadbeat Padre fans, no worries. I think they take turns with one another? Smh
Or you resign him in three years when he tests the market.
Uh… no
Allo So-to
Historic. What a time to be a baseball fan!
lmao, they added Gore in, who also is completely terrible
Padres just unloaded all their garbage for Juan Soto. Unbelievable
Are you re*@rded?
Garbage? Multiple quality prospects and a couple of young MLB guys as well. It will be years before we know who won this trade.
Camden makes Samuel look smart…
He is Samuel. So are you.
What is wrong with you? Were you born this way?
How great must Bob Melvin feel? Going from literal poop in the dugout to this. Good for him
Peter Griffin can’t be happy with James Woods now being on the same coast.
Wood
I actually thought we might have to give up more for the two of them. Wonder if Rizzo overplayed his hand and waited too long.
This makes Seattle’s trade for Castillo look even worse!!!
That was a terrible trade for many reasons. At least San Diego is a legit contender just needing to get healthy. Seattle blew their load 3 years too early.
@jj- you keep repeating this 3 years early nonsense and it doesn’t make it any more true. Lol. Rotation is solidified for now, pen is solidified for now. Just need a big bat in the offseason. Castillo is controlled through next season and I guarantee Jerry will do his best to work on an extension.
It’s not nonsense at all. It is fact. They are an average team. Not on Houston or New York’s level. I watched Houston do the same stuff when they traded for Gomez. It was too early for them then. The mariners were a bad team last year and the improvements they made kept them from being a below .500 team. 86 wins max.
JD next? Maybe to Dodgers?
Honestly, isnt this what the nats needed to do? Soto turned down 440m plus they would be awful w him next year even if they kept him. Allows them to fill holes cheaply and they can put that 440 m to use in other ways. You never really can fairly trade a superstar but if you have to, this seems like a good haul.
Nats rebuilt their farm system in 1 trade
More I think about it, less I like it for Washington. Like why is Josh Bell in this deal? Padres are eating Hosmers contract either way. I dont think Gore is a top level talent any longer. Soto is going to be a HOF. I dont know.
So much for Hosmer not being traded lol
Padres are all talk, no shock. I’m still not convinced they’re going far this season.
And hosmer?!?? This might be one of the most lopsided trades in the history of sport. League should probably step in on this
Is this a joke?
Pull a David Stern like the CP3 to the Lakers lmao
Todays lineup
Profar
Machado
Cronenworth
Mazara
Voit
Hosmer
Kim
Nola
Grisham
Tomorrow
Tatis
Machado
Soto
Bell
Contreras
Myers/Kim
Voit/Hosmer
Cronenworth
Profar/Kim
Hosmer was included in the deal so scratch him.
Tatis is being activated tmr?
Wow, the best part is they finally got rid of Hosmer
Not so fast. Hosmer blocking his inclusion in the deal
Hosmer to Red Sox for basically nothing
Now, Nola and a couple of intermediate prospects for Contreras. Something else for Gallo and we’re as good as we’re gonna get.
James Wood is the key, thanks in part to Aaron Judge. Washington looks to Wood as ascending to a somewhat similar status.
Padres gave them a minor leaguer named Trea Turner back when. Hoping to hit it again.
Woods could definitely hurt. All of the prospects could hurt.
But Soto AND Bell and moving Hosmer….never thought Preller would be able to unload that anchor.
Wood
So the dust clears and we have:
Padres receive: Soto and Bell
Nats receive: Gore, Abrams, Hassell, Wood, Susina, and Hosmer.
The Nats actually had to take on Hosmer to complete this?
Too bad they broke Blake Snell’s heart pulling him out of that no hitter at the tail end of last season, that’s going to come back to haunt them.
They’re starting pitching isn’t that good. Dharvish always has a can of worms in his pocket.
Dodgers get Dustin May back and Betts, Turner, Freeman and Turner is just as nice as Tatis, Machado, Soto and Bell.
Betts 136 OPS+, T Turner 136 OPS+, Freeman 161 OPS_. J Turner 105 OPS+
Soto 158 OPS+, Tatis 160 OPS+, Machado 153 OPS+, Bell 152 OPS+
Rather have the Padres lineup.
Padres pitching is 3rd in NL behind Atlanta and the Dodgers fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&… and the Padres traded for Hader and get Pomeranz, Suarez, and Johnson back in the next couple weeks.
Padres have been playing these games out on paper for years
GYATT DAMN! SD guts their farm for Soto.
Abrams can’t be very happy today. 🙂
Hard to say. He is now going to be the face a franchise.
Poor Eric Hosmer going to a playoff team to the Nats
They took Hosmer?! Wow xmas came early with this deal and the Musgrove extension.
Well, SF giants fans (me included for now) don’t worry, you will be able to see him many times and for many years.
I think the Giants traded for their 4th catcher this year. GEEZ!
Only 2 years. Soto will most likely test free agency if he hasnt taken the biggest deal to date.
WOW, THE PRELLER MEMORANDUM ! Looks like he’s finally upset the Dodger cart. Flipped it over. .He’s built a winner. Huge news, there’s a new sheriff in town.
Have to win first before that declaration.
I feel like we’ve heard this for the last 5 or so years.
“There’s a new sheriff in town” did not work out too well for Kevin Malone!
They gutted their whole farm system lmao
Yes, but for a much-improved chance of winning it all. Doesn’t make them the favorites, IMO, but that’s some serious firepower in that lineup now.
What do you believe a farm system is for anyway?
They got a 23 year old proven star for some talented question marks: Gore with a sore shoulder, Abrams with a questionable bat, and three guys in A ball who might flame out anywhere between there and the major leagues. Plus the Padres upgrade from Hosmer to Bell. The Padres are trying to win the World Series now not accumulate prospects.
They still have Campusano and Merrill. Somehow.
Rosario is pretty good too.
Better than pretty good. 22 and 1st time in AAA and has an .874 OPS with a 136 OPS+
I feel like they should have got 2 more guys in this deal for Soto, but I also really like Hassell and Gore, assuming health, and Susana could be a big riser over the next year or so, and Wood is extremely interesting and potentially tantalizing, and obviously Abrams if he can stay healthy being a guy up the middle
I just think it’s a little surprising, and also begs the question of how much money the Padres are going to have committed to a handful of position players moving forward…
Also, I normally and with the idea if holding out in certain situations for more money, but how hard is it to turn down $500 million guaranteed for Juan Soto. I get wanting to win and stuff or maximize value, but he still has 2-3 years left before free agency, and what if he gets injured or falls off? I know he has still been like 50 percent above average this year, but he has struggled at times, and it’s a down year for him. Like if you told me I’d lose the rest of my career but I’m guaranteed $500 million as a 23 year old, that feels insane to turn down
Anyway, cool moment all around for sure. Something we’ll probably be following for at least the next 10 years, possibly a few years longer than that.
…now with Hosmer in the deal, I think it definitely should have been 2 more guys, maybe even 3, depending in who it was…
I actually think this isnt at all the type of price I thought it would be, even though it does mostly approach it…I guess it makes sense though. We’ve had these questions for years with certain guys, and I would have to think there is a line of what q team would give up for 1 guy, though I’m not trying to suggest it isn’t still a lot
Sounds like a lot to give up for a 2 year rental but it can help the Padres. But if Soto didn’t sign the biggest deal ever, you know he’s going to test free agency. Padres in win now mode.
The more important detail is that they will have him for three potential postseason runs. That is pretty huge.
Soto is overrated. That ballpark in SD will expose him just like it did to Myers and Hosmer.
Lol it’s an overall smaller ballpark than the one he’s leaving
Extremely hot take with no stats to back it up.
His calling card is more his ridiculous OBP than SLG (which is still excellent). He’ll continue to walk a ton. As for being overrated, he’s never had a season with worse than a 142 OPS+. This is considered a down year for him and he’s at 158. And he’s only 23. There’s still probably improvement left to be had. He’s not a good fielder, but that’s really the only glaring flaw in his game.
Soto is overrated? We won’t ask you how you feel about Ted Williams.
Ted Williams is one of the best ball players of all time and Juan Soto is nowhere close to Ted Williams. Williams had 5 seasons consecutive of 9.0 WAR and would have had more if not for WWII. Soto’s best is 7.1. Mike Trout and maybe Albert Pujols are the only players in the 21st century that deserve to mentioned alongside Ted Williams for now.
BTW, you are not royalty. The correct pronoun is I, not we.
yeah, the BALLPARK exposed Myers and Hosmer… sure.
The fact they you’re even comparing those players should have you kicked off the site forever lol.
Another reason the luxury tax doesn’t work in baseball.
8 unique champions in 8 years while NHL almost had a threepeat, NBA parity is a joke, and Tom Brady has won 4 championships in those 8 years. Luxury tax is working just fine
Great points…those sports are unwatchable, there is little mystery as to who will win or at least be in the running.
That’s only because the playoffs are a crapshoot. Any team can win a short series. The end champion is not what decides parity. The teams that are NEVER at the bottom is what decides parity. The Dodgers and Yankees have a combined two last place finishes (1 each) since the division era started in 1969. You cannot tell me that they don’t have a competitive advantage.
The Yankees and Dodgers don’t have a competitive advantage. There, I told you.
Payroll is great. It helps. Teams can spend money unwisely, too. I’m neither a fan of NY or LA, but they largely have well thought out plans.
As for your point about last place finishes, it’s because in those markets you don’t do total teardowns and rebuild. If you want to sell tickets you have to put something on the field that at least looks like it could win.
Look at the last decade and 80% of WS winners were in the top 5 of spending. That’s not parity. That’s the opposite.
Dmarcus, Feel free to expand on that “point.”
That’s a really good deal for the Nats. Padres have effectively gutted their system. Wonder if Campusano will be dealt for another pitcher today…
Either a pitcher or major league catcher I would think.
Nats won this trade. Soto will be a yankee dodger or giant come free agency
They got an absolute haul
If San Diego wins a ring with Soto it is 100% a win for them.
Padres won’t they still will find a way to lose.
Soto can still be signed or flipped the next two years for similar prospects which would lessen the loss of prospects traded to acquire him.
Padres can win this even without a ring. Possible that some or most of these prospects don’t work out for one thing. Even if they do work out fairly well, imagine the increased ticket sales, jersey sales, etc. This makes the Padres maybe the 4th best team in baseball.
I think it gives them the highest payroll too???? Jesus Christ ownership is spending like a drunken sailor.
Good freaking job Friars. Hey SF, might as well sell it all because you’re dead for the foreseeable future.
Giants will bounce back next year. They’re rebuilding anyway.
With whom? Webb and Flores are their best players. More like in a few years, if they’re lucky and spend massively on free agents.
Everyone said that at the start of 2022
2021 I meant
Great day for the Padres…bad day for Eric Hosmer
He still has to waive his no-trade rights. He could very well end up saying “?? Lol no way am I playing my last years in WASHINGTON”
Of course he will/did! Did they really think he’d accept such a trade when he may end up in the playoffs or even the WS? lol.
Hosmer is staying in San Diego.
Guess he agreed.
I don’t understand the people who think the Nationals didn’t get a good return. Abrams and Gore were unanimous top 10 prospects before their eligibility ran out. Hassell is nearly a top 10 prospect. Wood and Susana are lottery tickets but look promising so far. I’m not sure what more any other team could have given. That package is better than anything the Yankees or Dodgers could have offered.
That package is better than anything the Yankees or Dodgers WOULD have offered.
Not thrilled to see Soto leave but that’s as good a haul as possible. Don’t understand the comments about the Nats getting fleeced, most are legit talents.
Yeah that’s nonsense. Coming from a Braves fan you all could not have done any better. It actually has a high bust probably for SD.
Well, there’s a reason no one on this board actually works in baseball…
It’s easy to understand. Many people here are clueless and are simply evaluating players by what they hear, just like simpletons absorb news stories.
This is crazy!!!!!!!
In ten years we’ll see that it was basically Hassell for Soto and Bell
And Hassell will probably be around an average major leaguer
We just witnessed one of the most lopsided trades in baseball history
Seems like you have fortune telling capabilities. Which team will Wilson Contreras be on at 7 PM tonight, and will the Yankees re-sign Aaron Judge?
Yeah bro share the wealth
So happy we have your talent evaluation skills available to us.
In ten years a lot can happen. For all any of us know Soto could sign back in DC and being playing with Hassell.
The point is you can’t grade a prospect trade the day it is made. I mean how much more do you think the Nats were going to get?
Good haul for the Nats. Actually slightly surprised a team was willing to gut their system to make it happen but I can respect it.
The Preller Memorandum, There is a new sheriff in town. The Dodger’s finally have a rival. The greatest trade of the season. Years of building, and now this, great one.
Best case scenario for the Astros. Suck it Dodgers.
You misspelled the Asterisks name again.
Acceptable alternative spelling is Trashtros.
come on Hosmer, block the trade!! 😀
This might be the biggest trade since the Yankees sent Refsnyder to the Blue Jays back in 2017.
Let’s not get crazy! There is only one Refsnyder!
For the Padres, it’s not like Soto is the savior. It’s just one guy. Major league pitchers can get through it
Now their entire system is further devastated
It’s not like they’re significantly better. They’re a badly thinned out organization now
Plus, the players they have around Soto and Machado still does not make their lineup particularly strong overall
It’s almost like they’re becoming the Angels with Ohtani and Trout, but not much else
They have Tatis coming back soon and also added Bell.
Exactly my thought- top heavy like the angels. SD has the star power to match up with the dodgers. But not the depth.
In case you haven’t been paying attention, Preller guts the farm every year and replenishes… every year. They arguably have the top scouts in the league, draft the best and have really good relationships on international scene.
Hey padres2019ha remember in feb 2018 how you loved the Hosmer deal and said he would opt out of the last years? You should go back and look at the Hosmer article when the padres signed him. Your takes from that day are comically bad.
@iverbure His takes are always comically bad as well his grammar, his attitude and there’s good money on his stench as well.
The MLB supporting cast around Machado/Tatis/Soto is better than the MLB supporting cast around Trout/Ohtani/Rendon.
Having a loaded farm system doesn’t win World Series titles. Having a loaded MLB roster wins titles.
@Camden453
Shall we look at the Padres lineup and see how bad it is aside from the stars? Let’s look at their new lineup by their OPS+ this year:
Tatis-160(lifetime)
Soto-159
Machado-153
Bell-152
Profar-124
Alfaro-115
Voit-113
Cronenworth-111
Grisham-85
That is 8 out of their 9 hitters with above average to star level bats. 4 stars, 4 above average and 1 below average. How many lineups are better? Take a look at your team’s lineup. How does it compare?
Voit is gone and replaced by Drury and his 128 OPS+. Tatis likely moves to CF and the Padres keep Kim and his 102 OPS+ and 3.1 WAR at SS.
Camden: “their entire system is gutted”
Same guy in same thread: “the Padres gave up nothing for Soto! They all suck!”
Confusing.
Hosmer’s going to decline the trade just to spite the Padres.
Unlikely, they probably already got it approved with Hosmer
We’ll see. Nothing official yet, though.
Take it with a grain of salt because of who said it, but Hacksaw said that they did run it by Hosmer first and then he backed out at the last minute after approving it when 1st approached.
Hosmer only has a ten team no trade and shares an agent (Boras) with Soto. If they have to, they will make it a three team deal and bury Hosmer somewhere like Chicago where they can eat Hosmer’s 2022 money for a little consideration.
Yep, he did just that. They have to rework the deal now
Gonna be awkward in the clubhouse until he’s gone.
I only make that deal if you worked out an extension. That’s a lot of give up. But I guess if your going for it in the next few years.
Hosmer is going to make this trade fall apart, then Soto ends up on the Dodgers. Hosmer to be the most hated player in San Diego history.. We all laugh for days.
It would be interesting if Hosmer shut the door on the trade wouldn’t it… The Fans would despise him then and Pads would end up releasing him at some point and eating the money. Would be a huge middle finger, and not likely, but man this would be nuts.
Had a smidge of hope the Brewers might have been able to get Bell after him not being moved as of last night.
Knew I should have called Stearns and told him Bell was a 34 year old left handed middle reliever…
Wow. Kudos to the Padres. That’s a stacked lineup.. They are adding Soto, Bell and Tatis!!!! Basically, 4 top 100 prospects and a flyer. And they dump Hosmer. Seems “reasonable.” They need to win now more than the Dodgers so makes sense,
As a Dodgers fan, I have very mixed emotions. We preserve flexibility and a future pipeline of prospects that is very impressive and deep. I love Soto BUT he is one player that is going to eventually cost you 500 million.
When all is said and done, I bet we find out that Hassell is the reason this went down. Rizzo liked him most of the available non-catcher position prospects – more than Vargas, Busch, Pages.
Agree with the commenters who are saying this still feels light – it does – but that was always going to be the case when you are trading prospects for a super star.
Oh yeah, they added Hader, too! Yikes! Pot committed. Unbelievable – have we ever seen anything like this?
“Pot committed”? You leave Mike Clevinger out of this.
Two legit MLB rookies, a top 30 prospect, a top 100 prospect, and a top 15 org prospect.
Soto is the most valuable trade chip of all time but for that hefty package he has to work out for SD.
True but SD prospects have a horrible track record. I think Preller pulled the wool over Rizzo’s eyes
Horrible track record in San Diego. They do well elsewhere.
MSL-No they don’t..Turner, Freid, Kluber, Rizzo, Naylor, etc..
“No recent precedent” other than Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis going to the Tigers. Very similar players at that stage between Soto and Miggy
I hope whenever James Wood makes it to the show, his walk up song is “I have James Woods” from Family Guy.
Hosmer is a Boras client too. He’ll either accept the trade to Washington or get shipped elsewhere for a PTBNL.
Soto is a generational player. I don’t see a franchise player in the group going back to the Nats. Good players, yes. You have to get a franchise player for Soto. Big win for the Padres.
Padres prospects usually don’t pan out, so I would not be concerned with what the Padres lost. Soto with Machado and Tatis is going to be dangerous
Padres get Soto, Hader AND Josh Bell at the deadline…..PLUS Tatis Jr will be back soon? Dodgers should be shaking because Machado, Tatis, Soto and Bell in a row is stupid!
It is pretty stupid and that’s coming from a Dodgers fan! gonna be a very fun ride till the end. Congrats Padres!
We are pretty happy with our top guys thanks
think Cronenworth might get better pitches to hit now? 2 time all star is gonna enjoy hitting in front of that crew
Dodgers shaking? Come on, now.
“No recent precedent” except for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis going to the Tigers. Soto and Miggy very similar players at the same stage when traded.
Thanks for bringing it up…2 things to mention as a Marlins fan about that which is incredibly sad to think about. 1. The best guy they ended up getting was Burke Badenhop as a throw in from A ball 2. Loria ordered Beinfest to take the 1st offer he got to get rid of Cabrera as soon as possible for insulting him by wanting a $1.5 million raise going into his 2nd year of arbitration
It was a deal that was essentially for 2 main lottery tickets, 1 of whom was super overhyped, and the other a super young pitcher that fell off a cliff mentally and with his mechanics, and 3-4 more non prospects
This is definitely different than that, although I agree in terms of a young player of that high regard, Cabrera was 25 at the time, with multiple years of control left is mostly unprecedented, but that part is similar, in a sense
If I were Hosmer I’d say go kick rocks !
And I’d say “look Eric, we appreciate your commitment over the last few years, but you’re now 4th on the 1B/DH depth chart, and if you ever want to see the field again, you’ll accept this deal and still be an MLB starting 1B.” “Also..you blow this trade up, and you’ll be the most hated player in the history of San Diego sports..including Ryan Leaf.”
Hosmer has the nats on his partial no trade list.
Wouldn’t that be funny if Hosmer kills the trade and another team sneaks in?
Here’s hoping.
MLB network saying Hosmer wants more $ or years added to his deal before he says yes
OR the Padres kick in another player to Nats and trade Hosmer to a team not on his no trade list for a PTBNL.
Hosmer isn’t blocking this deal. Maybe a physical for another player but not Hosmer with a no trade block.
Was wondering about that. If the Pads are carrying the 23-24 money as reported, I could see a team like the Brewers taking Hosmer.
It’d be funny if this deal fell through because Hosmer didn’t waive his NTC.
I was wondering how this might affect the NL East race, but NY, ATL and PHI all have the same number of games remaining against the Nats. I think it does help in the Wild Card race.
Never in my life have I seen a more unstable and incompetent GM than Preller, man. If he had simply done nothing, made no trades, they’d be far better off right now
Every Padres fan will tell you they were better in 2020 before the trades came
Preller completely flaked out. Rather than sitting on his farm system he completely devastated the entire organization
Wow you might be the dumbest poster on this board. You just continue to one-up your stupidity with each post.
5 minutes ago you were shouting that the Nationals got garbage back for Soto but now you post Preller is an idiot even though he gave up what you call garbage prospects for one of the best players in baseball.
Please stop posting.
You just said all the prospects in the Soto deal stink and only Hassell will be “an average MLBer”… and now you chastise Preller for not hugging all his prospects? Which is it? You tell other posters to “trust you” yet you talk out of both sides of your mouth. You sound confused… and I’m sure you’ll just retort that I don’t know what I’m talking about or some other nonsensical ad hominem attack lol
You should have heard him the other day ranting about Travis Jankowski like he was some all-star that the Mets released as opposed to a slightly better version of Billy Hamilton without all the stolen bases.
This guy is delusional
With regards to Hosmer, keep in mind he’s already got a WS ring. Nats might have to appease him buy adding an extension to his current deal for him to accept the trade.
Unfortunately for San Diego they are still not better than the Dodgers or Mets.
Cardinal nation dodged a bullet! Soto’s hitting is elite, no questions. But his base running sucks and his fielding is worse. It’s only going to get worse with age. I couldn’t see giving up the farm for a DH type player. Even a DH as good as Soto will be.
Good points, he does remind me of Pujols a little bit. I wonder if his birth certificate is written in pencil or ink?
Right! Maybe they are banking on winning 1 or 2 World Series in the next 3 years then possibly trading him?
lolololol Sounds more like sour grapes to me. If you think Soto is anything less than a first-ballot HOFer, you are underestimating him.
The Nats taking on Hosmer obviously helps make this deal work financially for the Padres. But as a Nats fan, it totally t’s me off to get rid of Bell, instead of trying to extend him, supposedly because he is too old at 30, while Hosmer is already 32 and has 3 more years of a foul contract. He’ll hopefully be serviceable, but this is ridiculous.
the Padres still have hosner. did you not read the article
Yes, You might want to try looking at it again. If the deal gets scuttled because Hosmer rejects the deal, which I don’t think is likely, I’d be perfectly happy with that.
I think teams value prospects too much. All that Adell talk, now Volpe. I think you grab the star when he is available. Look at how the Tigers trade for Cabrera turned out.
Exactly! You’re trying to World Series titles NOT best farm system titles.
Farm system titles usually directly get you World Series titles, see recent examples braves, dodgers, Astros and cubs
I think it needs to be said that San Diego probably has the best ownership in all of sports. Win or lose, the fact that they’re signing off on Preller making all of these moves and giving him unlimited resources and control is something I never seen before. What happened that turned this team from a low payroll also-ran to a big market powerhouse? It’s insane.
There’s a strong argument that can be made for this ownership group being the dumbest ownership group in all of sports as well. It takes an incredible amount of stupidity and ineptitude to spend the amount of resources they do to not even make the playoffs year after year. It is absolutely incredible. The most unique front office in all of sports.
Dodgers had better prospects. Shocked they let Soto slip to SD.
You have to wonder if they balked at losing Lux.
And SD still gets eliminated in the wildcard round like usual
When the Soto rumors started when he turned down the massive contract…. my first post was this has AJ Preller written all over it…. nailed it!
Meh
Can’t believe they didn’t want Caratini and cash for Soto
Whatever. Your loss
So the Nats traded a generational talent and added another albatross contract to join those of Strasburg and Corbin? They are really going to look appealing to any future owner now. I mean who wouldn’t want to buy a team like that!
I mean, the $39 million Hosmer is owed over the next 3 years, is not much considering Corbin is owed almost $60 million over the next 2 years, and Strasberg is owed $140 million over the next 4. The Nationals will not be competing again for at least 2-3 years, where 2 of those contracts are off the books. And besides, Soto would have been well north of $20 million in arbitration next year. So it really isn’t that much more money to add on. Hosmer merely offsets salary, the prospects are the prizes.
And now it sounds like the Nats will only pay for this year’s salary, with the Padres paying for 2023-25 seasons? An even bigger win for the Nats, even if they have to add an extra year to his contract (as some are speculating).
The Padres are paying Hosmer’s salary, so why wouldn’t the Nationals want him?
Great trade for both teams, the Nats get 2 stud starting pitching prospects and future SS, and 2 great OF prospects for Soto and Bell. The Nats just tripled their draft of this year. This will make for a quick rebuild. The Padres are now in the mix for the world series, and nobody even talking about the fact that they just got the best closer in the game in Hader yesterday! The biggest ?: for the Padress is still what and when are they getting out of Tatis!!
if Hosmer doesn’t waive his NTC, he’d be the most hated person in SoCal
Just SD. That coming from a Dodgers fan haha
Imagine trading for Eric Hosmer in 2022
I can’t believe Washington would take Hosmer in this deal. It’s hard to believe no other team put together a better package. You know, one without a bad contract attached.
sorry about that didn’t know they updated the article to include hosner if he signs off
What happens if Hosmer says no?
he already said yes
Why would he? Why go from a contender to a …..?
Source?
He seems he hasn’t said yes yet.
Hosmer said NO!!!!!!!!
Dodgers vs Padres will be can’t miss baseball once Tatis is back. I Wonder if Dodger fans are still going to cheer and be all over Soto like they were for the recent Nationals series and All-Star Weekend now that he is a Padre.
Hola Kenny Powers
I’ve always been pro-prospect dumping for star players esp a guy like Soto. I mean if you look at the trades where the prospects dealt ended up being big names it isnt a huge list, it’s usually the case that getting the established guy was the right move. This is a list of those outlier examples tho. mlb.com/news/stars-who-were-traded-when-they-were-…
hosner has not signed off on the deal be funny if the dodgers swoop in and nab soto
Soto doesn’t have a no trade clause…Padres will be able to move him for a few prospects in his contract year. Dont see them resigning him.
for padres fans this is a huge day to celebrate. Fans have been forced to drink the prospect Kool Aid since 1998. Well 2017 was exciting to watch Preller put together a team we thought could compete. But other than that and 2010 (surprise) its been a bunch of mostly bad teams.
Somehow I think Hosmer will Phil Nevin the deal and it’ll just be another big what if’s trade. Hopefully I’m wrong though.
Wouldn’t be the worst thing. This trade WILL get Preller fired if the Padres don’t win a title in the next 3 years.
It’s more likely he’ll be gone after 2024 than win the World Series
They don’t have the prospect capital to do much from now on. Have to sign free agents and work from a thin minor leagues, with the major league team not being particularly deep as it is
If he didn’t make this deal, he probably would’ve been fired at the end of this year. The roster they have without Soto is a fringe playoff team. Another missed playoff run or a first round bounce would of costed him his job. If this trade goes through, it buys him at least another year.
I highly doubt that. Preller’s most recent extension doesn’t even START until next season.
Padres and Nationals probably already have a backup plan to get the trade finished if Hosmer uses his no-trade clause. No way a small piece like Hosmer derails this.
I see the Padres as big winner’s here. There has never been a trade of a player of this magnitude ever. The closest is The O’s getting Frank Robinson from the Reds because they thought (wrongly) he was on the decline. Even still Robinson was 30. Soto is 23. Mackenzie Gore =? Milt Pappas??. It’s a good return but Washington just traded a generational talent for what all prospects are all no matter how they are ranked and evaluated: Lottery tickets. I hope for DC one of those tickets hits!!
Ummm… Babe Ruth for cash eclipses this by quite a bit. Just sayin’
That’s true. I forgot about the Babe. But Boston got 125000 in that deal which present day money is close to 200 million dollars. Imo a trade and a sale are 2 different things. Before the minor league system started stars were routinely bought. If that was still the case my favorite owner Mr.Cohen could buy star player’s off other rosters. Just saying as well.
I meant present day money of 2 million not 200. typo. Which in those days was an insane amount of money. But to add that at the time it was considered an overpay by the Yankees and look how it worked out. History tells us this deal will not look good for DC.
Please veto the trade hosmer hahahahah
They’d just send him elsewhere.
10 team no trade clause. Theyd just send Myers, possibly cash, to the Nats and send Hosmer elsewhere.
Hosmer in the process of cashing in big time
Wrong again
Hosmer gonna screw the Padres one last time. Hah
Dipoto should get on the phone and see if he can take Hosmer for league minimum for a lottery ticket
“Hosmer is “not thrilled” about the idea of waiving his no-trade protection to go from a contender to a rebuilding club”
Uhhhhhhh. What contending club?
Uh, the won currently occupying the second wild card that is about to get Soto and later Tatis back?
Edit: And also got Hader…
Can’t blame Hosmer, I wouldn’t wanna go to the Nats either
All this and San Diego will still be an early out in the postseason… but as a Giants fan I do applaud them for doing SOMETHING.
Fans of other teams holding their breath that Hosmer vetoes it. Gore seems to be injured all the time. Maybe when StL balked at including Carlson, WAS pivoted to SD.
Lol the Cardinals would have gladly included Carlson in a trade for Soto.
I hope Hosmer blocks it. Rizzo could do better.
No idea why he couldn’t move Bell to a different club
As a Dodgers fan, super happy for the Padres. Now please… please sign him to a 12yr extension that will cripple your franchise for years to come and ensure your continued mediocrity. I don’t buy the hype and am sure glad the Dodgers were smart enough to drive up the price and not actually give up the farm. This is a good No-Deal.
Agreed, sotaguchi
The padres won this trade so hard that if hosmer blocks it, I’d say “oh no..: anyway” and finalize the deal without him anyway.
Unless the Nats really want him for some reason
Can Hosmer counter for example that he wants his contract to tack on 1yr additional at 15mil to take advantage?
Hosmer “not thrilled” which leaves things in limbo. Boras is his agent….how does he leverage this? An opt-out would never work, because no one will pay big bucks for a mediocre player. A cash bonus might, but I suspect only with a lot of posturing. Interesting deal, though. A lot of prospects have been traded by several teams recently and none of them have brought back anywhere near as transcendent a talent. So, wow.
Padres seriously joepardize their future after 2024 as they now likely have the worst farm system in the majors but for the next 2-3 years it makes them a real serious contender.
I actually like it, there is no price for the best farm system and soto, bell, machado and tatis is an absolute monster lineup.
Sure after 2025 or so they might face another painful 3-4 year rebuild but they really should be worried to win in the prime of machado, tatis and soto and if it all goes wrong they can Jumpstart the next rebuild with a tatis and/or soto trade.
Soto is only a two year rental. It’s foolish to think he will just automatically stay after two years when he declined the biggest deal in baseball. Padres essentially traded their farm for a two year rental. They have a small window to compete.
Why in the world is Washington taking back Hosmer?
It seems like the Padres are doing this only for 2022 salary concerns since they also included Bell in the deal, and still on the hook for Hosmer in 2023-2025. This would partially explain why the Padres didn’t get more by including Hosmer. But it is a little odd to only save on remainder of Hosmer’s 2022 salary. Obviously it seems like they don’t want to hit a certain salary threshold that would trigger additional penalties.
Ok, that makes so much more sense. Thanks for the explanation.
Nats should just Keep bell and trade him to the Yankees.
If the Padres were always going to be on the hook for Hosmer’s 2023, 2024, and 2025 salaries anyway, just swap him out of the deal and send Wil Myers to the Nats instead.
If they’re gonna pay, they’ll still move Hosmer elsewhere and avoid any clubhouse issues. That doesn’t preclude your idea, of the Nats paying the rest of Myers’ deal this year. Clearly they’re willing to pay about that much, the name coming back doesn’t matter much.
It’s crazy to agree to paying all of his 2023-2025 salary. That is totally insane for a team totally f*cked luxury tax wise.
My guess is, the money going to whoever takes Hosmer only (ONLY!) counts as 13M per year against the luxury tax.
The acquiring team only counts the remaining salary for the tax, not the AAV. So what the Padres pay them to cover that amount may also drop. Otherwise they’d just cut him,.
Both Rizzo and Preller going down in flames today
Hosmer isn’t going to waive his no trade clause unless there is something in it for him. It was irresponsible for the Padres to make this deal with him in it before they knew he would waive it. But why would he? This is what these guys play for all season long. It’s what they prepare for all off-season. And now you’re asking him to go to a last place team? I’d tell them where to go.
Which is his right, and as a Padre fan, I wouldn’t be mad about it. I’d just consult his NTC list and assign an aide to call everyone of them, wondering what C-level prospect they need to take Hosmer and 39M for the next three years.
They may have broached the idea with him. That’s different than saying “Wahsington’s accepted, will you waive the NTC?”
And that is their right. But the Padres will have to pick up the lions share of that money. No one is taking that money on with the Padres deal from a weak position
Oh, it’s more than the lion’s share. There’s nothing left over for the lesser predators, The Padres are willing to pay 100% of his salary. Lots of teams will take him for a low-end prospect, they can just cut Hosmer if they don’t want him.
Moving from San Diego to DC. . I visit family in DC every year.
Padres are set to give the Dodgers some trouble.
Nats have set themselves up for success for years to come
If true that Padres still on the hook for Hosmer in 2023-25, where does this leave the Padres in 2025 season? Not a slam dunk that they can pay Soto. If he does sign with the Padres it could be $35-40mm+. How are you going to fill out the remainder of your roster with so much money committed (over $135-140mm) to only 6 players, especially without elite prospects who are dirt cheap as long as they can produce.
Soto will not be a Padre in 3 years.
Padres were looking to trade for Soto to help in 2022-2024. A trade was never contingent on him signing long term.
The Padres are going for it but I think they, as a franchise, are incapable of winning the World Series. I think they have chemistry issues and a big gap between a handful of great players and the remaining players on the roster.
Cant blame Hosmer. Going from a potential WS team in beautiful San Diego to a crap team in an even crappier city.
No, but if this deal falls apart, the San Diego fans will despise him anyway.
So then Hosmer is definitely not blocking the trade?
Yup. But sounds like the deals going through regardless. Hosmer possibly gets dealt elsewhere to a team not on his no trade list.
10 teams. Means 19 aren’t on the list.
r/whooooooooooooosh
No one is trading for Hosmer without taking prospects back, and by the looks of this trade, San Diego doesn’t have too many left
20 teams not 19 you can’t add
19 is the right answer, unless the Padres can trade with themselves.
As much as fans think adding a Soto or other star makes all the difference in the world, it really doesn’t make much difference in the win column at all. Padres have been the same without Tatis, the Phillies ok without Harper, etc etc
What wins is having a deep system with many options so the team is good overall, not just great at a few spots
provisions for trade to go through even if Hosmer doesn’t waive NTC
cardinals passed on Harper cause they had Carlson. They didn’t want to include Carlson in a trade for Soto.
So to recap- no Harper. No Soto. A lot Dylan freggin Carlson.
Dumbest organization in all professional sport
Good for Hosmer!
If I were Hosmer, I’d go to DC. His playing time will be less in SD.
He’s getting DFA’d if he doesn’t take the trade. Then he can choose his destination.
The team’s trying to get rid of him, it’s disingenuous to say “Be a team player and leave.”
But he’s probably going to get traded elsewhere anyway. There are teams he can’t block and there might be teams on his list that have a chance to compete in the next three years.
He could always opt out. 🙂
Just read that Hosmer has to waive his no trade clause before trade is official…also far he hasn’t..
Nats gonna love Hassell. Kid can flat out mash!!
Mets and dodgers are now going to counter attack, look for Happ, Contreras, and Robertson (2 out of 3) to go to them
Send us a big basket of goodies to take Hosmer here in Boston, who would, sadly and incomparably, improve an atrocious 1B situation. Dalbec has needed a LH platoon partner i.e. Mitch Moreland 2 for 18 months now. Dalbec really isn’t a bad player at all, he’s just being misused because I guess you can just stick anybody over there and hope that it works out.
If I were Hosmer I’d tell Preller to jump in the bay.
Looks like the price finally dropped for Washington’s little DH.
Basically took all of the Padres top prospects to land him. Not sure that’s a drop in price.
Hosmer deep sixes the trade. He is a selfish bleep.
You’re Pads Fans
Selfish? There’s a reason no-trade clauses exist. He wants to be on the Padres.
Nats shouldn’t budge on prospects. They’re still getting fleeced even WITHOUT taking on Hosmer.
Padres trying to include Hosmer just to get out from his 2022 Salary. They are still paying all of his $13m/ year for 2023-2025. Seems like a pretty desperation move, totally short sighted.
Haven’t been this sad since I saw Harry and Mary together.
LOL
Might as well DFA Hosmer after this. Sounds like they were going to eat most of the salary anyway.
Why am I the only one that doesnt think Soto is a “generational talent”. Sure he has great numbers and done some great things as a young man but I don’t see it.
I wouldn’t go that far, but I am always a skeptic since I need to see more of a career play out. His numbers this year suggest no and his inflated numbers during the COVID season suggest yes, so I see the skepticism on your part.
I’m one of those people that think “generational talents” only come around once a generation. He’s real good, but I can think of a decent amount of players I’d prefer over two+ years of Soto.
Look at his top 10 BBref comparisons through his age. Five hall of gamers, four who could or should be, and Tony Conigliaro, who had that upside before his injury. That’s an insane list.
Why is it hard for people to see HOF in the present. I suppose you think Trout isn’t a lock for HOF either?
I would honestly rather the Nats get a random minor leaguer than Hosmer at this point.
I feel like anyone would rather get a random minor leaguer than Hosmer.
Next person that calls them the “Trashtros”, there’s going to be a problem.
The Houston Trashtros represented the American League in the World Series last year.
Are you 14 or something? “There’s going to be a problem”? This is the internet. Literally nobody cares about whether or not you have a problem with something that’s been said.
The deal he was offered was a bad joke. 29M aav? Please. It was enough to make it look like ownership tried to people not paying attention.
It’s 19, chief. The twentieth team is the one he’s on.
Man, Hosmer has balls of steel
Wil Myers instead of Hosmer?
At this point they should just release hoz.
That may have more severe luxury tax implications than getting another team to take him and then paying that team.
Love this for the Nats. Even if Gore is hurt, it is a good trade. If Gore returns to the form of his first 8 starts, it is a complete steal.
Ha! That’s what I thought. Hosmer wasn’t going to leave. Looks like the deal still goes through but they need to make adjustments.
well you can’t blame hosner for not going
Absolutely. Even if the trade goes forward without him, I’m sure he will hear it from Padres fams..
Hosmer has the leverage, why shouldn’t he use it? The Padres gave him the no trade clause, and he is exercising his right to do so. Whether he gets more money, traded to another team, or stays in SD he has earned that right. Most players never have the luxury to attain that amount of leverage, he should squeeze the most he can out of the situation.
Absolutely.
I’d be shocked, shocked, if the Padres can’t find one of the 18 teams not on Hosmer’s NTC to take him, 39M, and a lottery ticket prospect.
And I’ll say it once again. Everyone with even a passing knowledge about MLB baseball knew that signing Hosmer was a mistake…except the Padres. Kind of like the Rockies and Bryant.
So signing players with cute looks and World Series rings to 9 figures never pans out?
I’ll ayo myself first
If you read the Hosmer sign with padres article from Feb 2018 there’s actually quite a few padre fans who thought it was a good idea at the time. Today they say they hated the deal from day one but that’s why there’s people like me who go back and read those articles in times like these and call them out and get muted afterwards because they aren’t used to people holding them accountable for stupid stuff they say.
“1 of the few individuals on earth more unlikable than Derek Jeter”
(V. Scully talking about Soto)
Nationals won this trade on more than 1 level.
Did Vin really say that? He never talks like that about anyone
I’m guessing Wil Myers could replace Hosmer in the deal.
Wonder if hosmer gets invited to the next team picnic.
Honestly he probably earned a ton of respect with his teammates. Exercising his rights to stay with the team that he prefers. If anything, this is flattering to the Padres.
But if he ended up killing the deal that would have made them better I think his popularity would drop
Hosmer, why stay where you are unwanted?
Surely they can find someone to take on Hosmer if they are willing to pay his WHOLE salary. Jesus.
Yep. I’ve liked the guy, and it isn’t his fault that the Padres overpaid him. However, he’s underperformed his contract, year after year. He hasn’t EARNED the right to play on a team in contention.. Playing MLB is a privilege, i.e. he could be throwing tires at a Costco auto center for a living. I don’t expect him to LIKE being trading to a rebuilding team for the final three years of his career, but he could show a little class to the team and city who made him wealthy. Even if he asked for a token bonus (i.e. in law, every contract change requires “consideration”, and Hos’s is no different), and then gracefully exited, then he’d at least be a stand up guy. His ego has gone to his head.
He has limited no trade protection this year, and after the end, UNLIMITED protection. If the Pads can afford to eat his salary AND send prospects to be rid of them, then I hope Preller has a back up deal in line to ship off Hosmer where they can, to pick up a few prospects-who-are-not-sludge in return. Or, just DFA him tomorrow, just pay him to clean out his damn locker. Heck, bar him from entering the stadium – just leave his stuff at the gate.
Again, I’m not upset that Hos said “no” to the deal – I understand, but he’s actually trying to say “no” to ANY deal, for the sake of his ego. He’s poison to the Pads now. Preller needs to ship him or DFA him, period.
Padres have a DH today against the Rox in SD. I have to wonder how the fans will react to Hosmer.
I can’t imagine they’ll care much since the deal is still going down. If he single-handedly killed it, he’d need a top security detail.
I hope my fellow Padre fans won’t be asshats about it.
Hosmer didn’t force Preller to offer him that much. Yeah, he seemed resistant to changing his approach, and came off as oblivious about his lack of production, but none of us can say for sure what he really tried to do.
Preller should have never offered him the deal. No reason to kick the guy when he’s headed out the door.
Great to see Hosmer say no. He came to SD when they sucked. Why should he go to a team that is horrible and horribly run after all he gave to the Padres? Makes no matter, the trade will get done but no I would not go to the Nationals.
He can sit on the bench and be a pinch hitter.
I rather do that than go that dumpster fire of an organization in Washington.
I’m not saying I disagree with his decision at all!
Instead he went to the Red Sox who will suck for the rest of this year.
Great job. Pads! Beat Dodgers!
pack your bags soto so u can play against the Rockies tonight
Dodgers are in San Francisco… 😀
This transaction has turned into a full blown soap opera. The twists and turns are incredible.
I think the Padres leaked the trade before Hosmer agreed to put more pressure on him and make him look like the bad guy if he refused to waive.
Paying all of his 2023-25 salary actually makes him a decent piece for Washington. Rizzo would only have 2 months of his salary to pay and gets a little over 3 years. Especially considering the padre prospects are mostly players currently in A ball, minus Abrams and Gore.
good for Hosmer. I’m not accepting that deal either if I’m him. As a Cardinal’s fan, this is a relief actually. We need Lopez worse than Soto. Good pitching always beats good offense. Look at Milwaukee. Wish the Cards had a couple of their starters.
This board is lame. Out of here.
The two writers that always get stuff wrong and they are the only ones saying the trade is still happening after Hosmer said no to the trade?
I laugh at Eric hosmer
What a clown show…good for Hosmer for sticking to his contract…
If the Angels were smart we’d offer to trade Walsh for Hosmer plus prospects. Hosmer’s contract isn’t that bad and his real cost of $13 million is less than his luxury tax hit of $18 million.
Hosmer gets to stay in beautiful Southern California, play on a team that pretends to want to win, Angels fill an infield or pitching spot with the prospect.
SD would jump at that and be willing to pay his future salary too. I don’t see why Angels would do it though. We need SS and pitching more than a player like Hosmer
The Angels would only be on the hook for 13M for the LT starting next year.
With SD paying 100% of his salary, they can put him in almost any trade to a team that he can’t block. He’s just a housekeeping item at that point.
I could have sworn that I read somewhere that Hosmer had approved the trade. Guess I read it wrong
If Pads resign Soto they will have a billion invested in 3 players….him, Machado, and Tatis.
Wow
Well, I would trade Hosmer to the worst team that isn’t on his list… oh wait, I think that’s the Red Sox. NEVER MIND!
Guess Rosenthal, Passan, and Heyman are all saying it will get done without Hosmer and Bell, just less prospects in the deal. Hosmer is a pariah in the Padres clubhouse now so where will they trade him?
Why is he a pariah?
Hosmer is the reason the Padres no longer have either Rizzo OR Ty France. He’s been an underperforming block to multiple players who could have contributed more. It’s time for that to end. I’d be shocked if the Padres didn’t offload him for minor prospects, paying off his salary, sending prospects to a receiving team, or just DFA’ing him after the deadline.
Prospects = $$$$, one way or another. The difference for a team like the Padres is the luxury tax. The would prefer not to lose draft picks and pay the penalty, and using a prospect to two to reduce that makes sense. But yeah, send him on a one way ticket to Timbuckto. I don’t hate him for his contract, not is fault, and I’m sure he’s tried his best, but he’s a block for the Padres, or worse, now a disgruntled poison in the clubhouse. He hasn’t EARNED the right to be “that guy”, on a contending team.
Rizzo was traded after Hosmer’s rookie season…
Hosmer wasn’t a “rookie” when he arrived in San Diego, and he sure as hell WAS the reason Rizzo was traded. Again, not his fault the GM made that choice. But Hos HAS been an underperforming wedge on the team since he arrived.
The Padres need his roster spot for a consistently performing player, who they are apparently paying a whole lot to get. (Well, Bell is pretty much a short term , low cost rental, but you get the gist.)
Rizzo was traded in 2012. Do you know ANYTHING about baseball? Actually, don’t answer that.
Rizzo was traded in 2012. I think you meant France.
Some people on here should literally get banned for being so stupid and wrong it kills other people brain cells. Imagine arguing with this guy pre internet where you couldn’t just look something up right away so he went around thinking he wasn’t a idiot for more than a day?
Josh Byrnes is why Rizzo didn’t remain a Padre.
France, yeah.
Waiting for the announcement that Hosmwr has been DFA’d
you hold out Hosmer, dont let Soto chase you out of your own home.
Let him find a home in NY, that will teach him
Can they DFA Hosmer and send him to AAA for the rest of the season?
After DFA, all 29 other teams have a chance to sign him for the cost of his salary. No team will buy him. After 10 days, he’d be unconditionally released, with the Pads still owing him his salary, and that salary remaining on the books as a financial anchor, for the next three years. Shipping prospects to the Nats’ to accept Hosmer, PLUS paying his salary, is a give-away-and-a-half. (That’s what has been published, but it has to be one or the other, not both $$$ and prospects.)
The Pads want to find a taker to reduce their lux tax salary, and will ship prospects to do that. Again, as I’ve said, I hope Preller has a backup plan to ship Hosmer somewhere, anywhere. In reality, the 40 man (as well as team 26 man) roster is full, and he has to do something to make room for Soto, though Abrams and Gore will clear 2 spaces on the 40 man), so there really isn’t room for roster deadwood.
Great trade for both teams. Nationals get a lot of high quality scratch ticket prospects. Padres don’t impact the MLB club and get a monster bat and LF one.
I wonder if they can sign him?
I don’t blame Hosner. I wouldn’t want to go to a seller dweller team when I’m on one of the stronger teams in baseball..
Would this scenario work?
Padres keep Hosmer and platoon him and Bell at 1B/DH and then trade Voit? Probably not to the Nats nut send him out of SD.
Well, I haven’t looked up Voit’s actual value. Hos could definitely make Voit expendable, functionally speaking. However, Voit (apparently) has 40+ home run potential, and Hos won’t see 40 HR the rest of his career. I doubt the Padres want to downgrade the team just to keep Hos on it, particularly since any role other than a starting “star” position player will have Hos walking around the clubhouse in a sulk every day.
Hosmer .thanks alot defenitley not a team player thanks for screwing us.you a hole
You can’t call a guy “not a team player” because he doesn’t want to leave the team.
He wanted the NTC. Preller gave it to him. He gets to exercise it. He also gets to be traded to a team he didn’t list.
@dale123 So the idea is to show loyalty to the team that’s dumping you, and into the swamp of DC and a 60-102 team, no less, and even though that team has another way of getting the deal done?
Interesting…
Thank you for the comment, Mr. President. Hope your COVID recovery is going well.
Good for Hosmer! What are no trade clauses for if not for this?!
Soto is a me first kind of player and will fit well on a team with several similar attitudes.
Sounds like you’re pissed he didn’t go to your team. He couldn’t control where he was traded to so why be mad at him about it?
Projecting much?
Most of the rumored deals for Soto were foolish, as is this one.
Dealing a couple of decades of controllable talent to get roughly $55m in surplus value over the next three years, then presumably the perverse privilege of paying a 5-6 WAR DH who is already about the slowest 23 year old in baseball, half a billion dollars, therewith throttling your ability to adjust your roster year to year?
Blech.
I mean, sure, great hitter, but it’s like dealing the farm for a slower version of Pete Alonso with worse defense, an extra 60 BB but 10 fewer HR a year. How is that player ‘generational,’ all things considered?
You don’t have to trade for him to have the privilege of paying for him.
Prospects are suspects until they prove otherwise
Is this supposed to be clever? Every talented MLB player was a prospect. You need to have a core of cheap players to be a legit contender, otherwise you’re the Phillies.
It’s a really odd scenario where soto is a very talented played, but is massively over rated.
History shows us that one of the 5 guys that the Padres traded to the Nationals today will turn out to be an above average MLB player. The rest will be bit players if they make it at all.
Even if two of them ultimately become above average players in the majors, bringing in both Soto and Bell is worth it.
Soto is a career 159 OPS+ player and is playing at that level this season. Nearly 60% better than MLB average. Bell has a 152 OPs+ this season.
3 playoff runs with Soto in the lineup and one with Bell is well worth the investment of prospects.
The Padres do not have to resign Soto to make this trade profitable on and off the field.
Alonso is a 154 OPS+ hitter this season and 140 for his career. Very good. Just not Soto good.
How much would Ohtani fetch from the Dodgers now?
Hosmer’s going to Boston instead.
DODGERS ARE SHAKING IN THEIR CLEATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This trade is seismic, but does it shift power in the NL West??? The Dodgers are better than the Padres right now, AND have a top 3 farm system. With the prospects leaving SD at record numbers their farm is going to take a huge hit. Therefore if they can’t get over the Dodger hump, they are completely screwed in the future.
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Dodgers are done! “Doyers” are shaking in their cleats, for sure.
We’ve heard this before from Padre fans. Good luck.
Right? Hopefully they actually make the playoffs this year. I think they should probably be able to hold on.
The Phillies and Cardinals have much easier schedules, so Pads will need to pick up pace
There are not enough trucks to hold all the cash headed Soto’s way
$200 million 5 year deal
New Batting Order:
#1- Profar
#2- Tatis Junior
#3- Machado
#4/Cleanup- SOTO
#5 Voit
#6 Bell
#7 Myers
#8 Cronenworth
#9 Nola/Alfaro
With the best set up man, and closer (by far) in the game in Pomeranz and Hader.
F- The LA Dodgers
Voit is gone in this trade. Alfaro is the Padres new DH? Unless they trade for Contreras.
I like Kimm at SS. Put Tatis Jr at CF & DH and platoon Grisham in CF & Myers at DH
Not much “Ish” talking yall clowns can do about the Padres anymore, huh?
There’s always that one.
Thanks for proving my point…..lots of cricket noise around these parts now……………(literally).
Win something once, and then maybe your stance wouldn’t be so much posturing and so little substance. The Padres haven’t won anything, ever. Respond to that.
I’m more focused on the present, and the future, then your pathetic grab at referring to the past. I don’t give a rats ass about something that happened before today.
It is a new ERA for the Padres…………..I’ll take it.
Anymore “But the Padres didnt do this or that in the past comments anyone”????? Please- make yourself look silly, its hilarious.
Get rid of your teenage angst somewhere else.Aaron.
Yes, of course past achievements are “pathetic.” Nobody likes historical greatness… they like teams that underachieve despite millions of dollars thrown around. Last year was supposed to be THE year for the Padres too. Didn’t really work out. This year… not really working out. Two years from now when Soto and Hader walk to new destinations, and the Padres are still sans-championship, it’s going to hurt. I’ll be there for you.
You sound desperate bro. I get why you would be……….. but chill. Relax.
Really, Desperate? Strange, because I’m not the one rooting for a team that hasn’t one jack crap since its inception. 53 years? But sure, they “won” the deadline by trading away anything of value that wasn’t nailed down. Takes a lot of skill to trade away the value your scouting department built up. That Preller is a whiz.
His last name is Angst. What do you expect?
How are there literally cricket noises?
Lol…I love it man. You act like Padres have already won something, aside from improving the current team. Dodgers still winning the West EASILY and I hope the Dodgers and Padres matchup in the postseason, as the Dodgers will have ZERO problem with the Padres.
Now for the long-term outlook:
Dodgers will continue to be superior the last 2 years (and many more years thereafter) that the Padres have Soto and if Soto returns to his 2019-2021 form, the Dodgers could just sign him as a free agent because of their endless financial resources…which they won’t anyway because he’s a defensive liability.
Meanwhile, the Padres HAVE to win the WS within the next 3 seasons. If they don’t, they will return to be irrelevant in the baseball world for many years thereafter, with nothing to show for it.
Dodgers could have made the trade today, but even though the organization structural equivalent of player value would have their package starting with May, Lux, and Cartaya — the actual value of those 3 players (future value is an extremely flawed projection) is VASTLY more than Gore, Abrams, and Hassell. But since that’s the structural equivalent, that’s what the Nats were asking.
In summary, I would have absolutely made the trade the Padres did…but I absolutely would not have given up the Dodgers structural equivalent, as the Dodgers depth both at the MLB and MiLB levels is far and away better than SD.
We will see what happens BleedingBlue. My first focus is making the playoffs. We’ve done well without Tatis and others so far. Adding Tatis and Soto and Pomeranz is a huge boost to a team 10 plus games over 500 without them.
(Not to mention the addition of Joshua Hader/Joshua Bell).
Before the trade deadline, the Dodgers were the WS favorite (according to vegas oddsmakers)
After the trade deadline, and after all of the additions from the Padres, Astros, Yankees, etc, guess who is STILL the WS favorite? I’ll give you a hint: they still have their complete farm system intact.
Dodgers odds went up from +200 to +356 and are now tied with the Yankees on the vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/futures/ line.
The Padres went down from +2200 to +1040.
If you prefer, NJ.com has several lines to choose from. They are about the same.
nj.com/betting/mlb/world-series-odds.html
Guess how many favorites have won the WS in a full season in this century?
Voit batting is not going to help them much
Well screw it, go get JD Martinez to be DH.
If you’re going to go for it, go for it.
Tatis Jr – SS
Soto – LF
Machado = 3B
Cronenworth = 2B
Bell – 1B
Martinez – DH
Profar = RF
Nola/Alfaro – C
Grisham – CF
Tatis-SS -160 OPS+(lifetime)
Soto-RF -152 OPS+ this year
Machado-3B -153 OPS+
Bell-DH -152 OPS+
Profar-LF -124 OPS+
Alfaro-C -113 OPS+
Cronenworth-1B -111 OPS+
Kim-2B -100 OPS+
Grisham-CF -83 OPS+
I don’t think the Padres need Martinez.
They got Drury and Tatis can play CF, so they are good.
Good for the Padres. Might as well take a chance for the next 3 years to try and get into the playoffs with one of the better offensive players in the game. Worst case, the team is terrible and so is he and they just dump him in the final year of the contract.
Where are the Cubs deals?
Win for Nats. They had to trade this guy and took their favorite offer. The 3 prospects have as much upside as anyone at their level. Gore when healthy looked good. Not as high on Abrams as other but they might be able to get more out of him than SD did. Other teams have.
Soto is a hall of fame level hitter but not a runner or defender. I don’t think they got max potential out of Abrams so don’t mind trading him. They know Gore better than anyone so maybe they aren’t crazy about his health or him being a ace. The 3 prospects are hard to lose but they have a lot of years before ready and a lot can go wrong. They paid a fair price for one of or the biggest trade chips ever.
YourDreamGm:
You don’t think the padres got max potential out of Abrams?
He’s a kid who’s had 120 major league at bats!
He hasn’t even started his career yet
Voit and his moss will be missed! F U Eric Hosmer! You will be hated in San Diego!
Why? Hosmer is going to Boston.
He still gone so why you mad??
Classy fanbase!
No, Hosmer was a good guy. Below average at 1st base, average hitter.
Best of luck to him
I don’t want to face the nationals in 5 years
Because of Hassell and Abrams?
Gore won’t stay healthy.
Well I have good news for you…you won’t be facing the Nationals in 5 years.
That’s a pretty big load going to the Nationals.
If luke Voit is mad at Hosmer he should call my friend Todd Packer to deliver a package to his home office.
I can still smell the one he left me in Scranton
What are the odds Voit invites Hosmer over for Christmas dinner this year?
What are the odds that Hosmer cares?
Lol
Picking up Soto and Bell, and losing Voit and Hosmer.
Time to celebrate
Why would Voit be mad at Hosmer? He is in a better situation in Washington than being blocked by Bell at 1B.
Gruß,
BSHH
Voit just deleted Hosmer from his social media friends list
Hosmer has been deleted from Voit’s friends list
Voit goes from playoffs to worst team in NL thanks to Hosner rejecting trade. I can see that he’d be pissed
It was always going to be one or the other, Washington has no one else to stand there and keep the ball from flying into the dugout on throws from the Infield. Voit was probably getting dealt anyway since Bell at 1B and Myers/Profar likely getting the majority of DH AB’s moving forward
That sucks for Luke Voit going from a winning team to a losing team. I’d be pissed off too.
Nats adding an extra station to the post-game buffet.
Voit was never very good though. Always injured too
Is this it for Preller if they flop? Padres are sold out on this run!
99% chance Preller goes if they don’t win a title in 2022-24
The Padres still won’t win as the Dodgers are just a better team.
Vegas agrees with you. Even with all their moves, Padres are currently sitting at 10-1 which ties them (with Atl) for 5th best odds
Congrats to the Padres on winning the trade deadline championship. When does the Preller statue go up?.
Has a team ever expelled their World Series winning team faster than these Nationals?
Well, yes. The 1997-98 Marlins did it in ONE off season.
So….where are the AJ haters now?
The Padres went from a team that looked to have a pretty big window to one that needs to win within the next 3 years. If you’re cool with that, I imagine you applaud Preller for this move. If you think that the best way to win a series is to get into the playoffs many times, you probably don’t like this.
I am right here. No team under more pressure to win it all than SD. I’ll admit I was wrong when they schedule a parade through San Diego.
Is it me? Or did the Reds get more for Luis Castillo? I font know, Marte + Arroyo, Stoust, and Moore upside excites me more than Gore, Abrams, and Hassell III upside I guess. Then Bell gets thrown in? Who knows.
Honestly I thought the M’s should have gotten Drury thrown in for that deal. Marte & arroyo are bo joke prospects. The other 2 likely won’t matter at all but I have a feeling if Castillo doesn’t sign a 5 year extension with M’s, it’s gonna hurt a lot. Cuz i see marte being on a MLB roster by Sept 1st 2023 and he looks legit
So I am a cards fan for sure… I’m glad Soto gets a chance to be in contention… the Padres LITERALLY sold the farm for 2.5 guaranteed years… I do love that the Cardinals decided to draw a hard line on what they would give up….there is no way the Padres can sign Soto based on their contractual obligations and I don’t believe for a second that Soto and Hader gets them to the WS… there is weird baseball that gets played in San Diego… they should habe won long before this but yet couldn’t make the playoffs last year…. we all obviously know that the dodgers were supposed to win last year based on talent. But….. the point is, sign all the superstars you want… the yanks dodgers or pads will not win the WS this year. Teams get hot and destroy the best teams in the playoffs! Pads wasted alot of talent to lose
So you are saying what? That it is better not to go all in and instead go to the playoffs with a much weaker team and hope you get lucky? Sounds smart.
No one gets a trophy for the best farm system or the most top 100 prospects. You get a chance to get 1.5 yrs of Hader and 2..5 yrs of Soto you sell the farm. Especially if Machado is having a MVP year, Musgrove is having a CY Young yr; and your no 2 starter Darvish is 35 but still pitching like an ace; Profar is having a breakout yr at 29. And your entire 6 man SP rotation is healthy and dealing. All those things don’t always line up forever.
Nats already winning baseball games with Padres stud prospects on their team and Soto replacement out homering Soto! Great day to be a Nats fan…the future looks bright!
Soto’s going to have the Padres over a barrel come extension time. The fact that they gutted their farm system for him means he and his agent have a ton of leverage in contract talks, as there’s simply no way the Padres could afford to lose him in 2.5 years.
Sure they can. Teams trade top prospects for players and don’t sign them all the time. Trading for Soto did not have extending him in mind.
thelegendaryharambe, I agree, This is all about winning a WS in the next three years. I predict the Padres DONT sign him as a FA or extend him.
Manny Machado can opt out of his contract after next year. If he is anywhere near as good next year as he is this year, he probably opts out. If he does that is an extra $30 million per year available for the Padres attempt to sign Soto.
Machado is going nowhere. SD is a great town for a Latin player.
What? They couldn’t snag Trout too? Epic Fail!!!!!
I’m not sold on Soto as the GORN (greatest of right now). Poor defense, average WAY down, OPS and SLG about 60 points lower than his career average. Yeah, he can draw walks. I’d want him to do more than that, for what I gave up. Yet, his numbers are likely to go DOWN in the hitting graveyard of Petco.
Padres are desperate…….and probably still not as good as the team up the freeway.
Just checked to see if Ted Williams was ever hitting in the .240s in August in his entire career (the way Soto is). Only once. His second to last year when he didn’t play until mid May. Believe he was injured until then.
Every other August in his career, he was hitting above .300 in August……….
Can the media please stop with the Williams comparisons………..this will be the third year in his five seasons that he hit below .300.
So you think BA is the most important measure of offense? Ok. Guess I can ignore your posts in the future.
1.) Padres will not keep both Machado and Soto long term. They will be unable to resign Bell for 2023. Drury and Myers will both probably be gone in 2023, too.
2.) If Soto does not produce at a high enough level, he may well sign for less than $440 million.
3.) This was the correct deal for the Nationals unless they wanted to pay enough to extend Soto.
4.) Watch for the Dodgers to sign either Judge or Trea in the off-season.
Padres didn’t make this trade with the intention of keeping Soto beyond 2024. They did it to win a WS while he is a Padre.
The Padres already have two $300 million players on the roster, Machado and Tatis, They made this move for Soto and Bell knowing that it would push their payroll to $242 million for 2022 so obviously they are ok with spending that kind of money.
With all the contracts coming off the books at the end of the season the Padres CBT number after arbitration eligible players like Soto are factored in is around $158 million, so if they decided to sign Soto long term at around $35 million AAV they certainly have the money.
Drury and Myers will definitely be gone after 2022. Myers because the $20 million he would be paid if they pick up his option is far too much for the production he has given the team. Drury because some team is going to give him far too much money for a man without a position coming off a season with a 128 OPS+.
Turner has said he wants to play on the East Coast, so not likely he resigns with the Dodgers. Mets maybe. Yankees more likely. Braves or Red Sox not so likely, but possible.
Really hoping the Dodgers sign a 31-year-old Judge to the 10/360 deal he has said he wants. Don’t think Friedman is that stupid.
Here’s a sneak peek at the Padres new top 10 prospects:
San Diego Padres signed free agent RHP David Morgan to a minor league contract.
San Diego Padres signed free agent RHP Ian Koenig to a minor league contract.
San Diego Padres signed free agent SS Chase Valentine to a minor league contract.
San Diego Padres signed free agent RHP Will Geerdes to a minor league contract.
San Diego Padres signed free agent RHP Matt Boswell to a minor league contract.
San Diego Padres signed free agent RHP Cole Paplham to a minor league contract.
San Diego Padres signed free agent RHP Devin Ortiz to a minor league contract.
San Diego Padres signed free agent RHP Jared Kollar to a minor league contract.
San Diego Padres signed free agent C Kaden Hollow to a minor league contract.
San Diego Padres signed free agent RHP Braden Nett to a minor league contract.
Did the Pads trade for some team chemistry, too. It takes more than raw talent to win in MLB.
Guardianfan
Winning helps team chemistry. Having Melvin as the manager helps, too. I think that Tatis, Jr. and Soto will have a healthy rivalry that motivates the pair. But they will still have an uphill battle to go far as a wild card.
Melvin not counting Covid has won 1 playoff series
Hitting .200 last 30 games he’s going nowhere
Padres are done. Angels territory. Preller devastated that organization
You’re looking at Preller getting fired and another long, long rebuild
One of the most miserable organizations in all of baseball now
Do you live under the Francis Scott Key, Bollman or Severn River?
Interesting that both Abrams and Gore were optioned to Rochester. You would think that they would want both on their major league squad if they are healthy.
I guess that when you know you are going to be a horrible team for several years, you want to save all the service time you can on rookies.
Padres lost this trade so hard