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Orioles Option Trevor Rogers, Designate Bruce Zimmermann

By Darragh McDonald | August 22, 2024 at 12:45pm CDT

The Orioles announced a series of roster moves today. Infielder Emmanuel Rivera, recently claimed off waivers, has been added to the roster. They also selected the contract of right-hander Matt Bowman and recalled lefty Nick Vespi. To open spots for those three, they optioned left-hander Trevor Rogers, right-hander Colin Selby and infielder Liván Soto to Triple-A Norfolk. To open a 40-man spot for Bowman, lefty Bruce Zimmermann has been designated for assignment.

Just over three weeks ago, the Orioles acquired Rogers from the Marlins in a pre-deadline trade, sending youngsters Connor Norby and Kyle Stowers to Miami. The O’s have been having a strong season overall but keeping the rotation intact has been a challenge. All three of Kyle Bradish, John Means and Tyler Wells required surgery to address their respective ulnar collateral ligaments in their elbows earlier this year. To bolster the group, they added both Zach Eflin and Rogers prior to the deadline.

It was a buy-low situation with Rogers, who had posted a 2.64 earned run average with the Marlins in 2021 but struggled since. He dealt with various injuries in 2022 and finished that year with a 5.47 ERA. In 2023, he was only able to make four starts due to a left biceps strain and a partial tear in his right lat.

Here in 2024, he was healthy enough to stay on the mound, making 21 starts for the Fish prior to the deal. His velocity was down but the results were passable, as he had a 4.53 ERA in those 21 outings. A few days after the deal, the lefty said he had already received more analytical information relating to his pitch mix and mechanics than during his entire time with the Marlins, per Andy Kostka of the Baltimore Banner on X. Perhaps the O’s felt there was a path to getting Rogers back to his 2021 form via those analytics, or simply him getting healthier as he moved further away from his injuries.

It has not gone to plan so far, as Rogers hasn’t fared well in his first four starts with the O’s. He has allowed 15 earned runs in 19 innings, leading to a 7.11 ERA. His 13.3% strikeout rate and 11.1% walk rate are both well below league average and nowhere near his previous work.

It seems the O’s have decided that a reset in Triple-A is in order. Perhaps that will give him a chance to work on their suggested tweaks in a lower-stakes environment. He can still be retained via arbitration for two more seasons after this one, so they have some time to figure out a path forward. This isn’t a service time manipulation situation, as he already crossed four years of service time earlier this year.

Still, it’s obviously less than ideal for the club to be subtracting one of its key deadline pickups in the middle of a playoff race. The O’s are still in comfortable position with a 74-54 record, just half a game behind the Yankees in the East and currently possessing the top Wild Card spot. But the Royals and Twins are just 2.5 games back and the Red Sox trail the O’s by only six games, so nothing is set in stone with more than a month left to play.

The rotation continues to be an issue as now both Eflin and Grayson Rodriguez are on the injured list, Eflin due to some shoulder discomfort and Rodriguez due to a lat strain. With Rogers now intentionally removed from the mix, the rotation is now down to Corbin Burnes, Dean Kremer, Albert Suárez, Cole Irvin and Cade Povich. Burnes is great but there are plenty of questions with the others. Kremer and Irvin are essentially back-end guys, with the latter having been passed through waivers a few weeks ago, recently being added back to the roster. Suárez keeps putting up good numbers but is a 34-year-old journeyman who is in the majors for the first time since 2017. Povich has just nine major league starts and a 5.77 ERA in those.

Ideally, the club will be hoping to get Rodriguez and Eflin back for the end of the regular season and then the playoffs as well, but they will have to try to get by with this group for now. Perhaps Rogers can also work his way back into the mix with some quick adjustments in the minors, but he can’t be recalled for the next 15 days unless replacing someone going on the injured list.

Bowman, 33, was signed to a minor league deal a week ago. That pact contained an upward mobility clause today and an opt-out next week. It seems the O’s didn’t want him to get away or simply wanted to add some a fresh arm to their bullpen, so he’s been added to their roster today.

As soon as he gets into a game for the O’s, it will be his fourth club of the year, as he’s already suited up for the Twins, Diamondbacks and Mariners. Since he’s out of options, he’s continually been squeezed out of his opportunities. Whenever he has cleared waivers, he has elected free agency and signed a new deal with fresh opt-outs, seemingly having a strong preference for flexibility.

While bouncing around, he has thrown 15 major league innings with a 5.40 ERA, 15.2% strikeout rate, 10.6% walk rate and 46.8% ground ball rate. But he’s also thrown 33 2/3 Triple-A innings with a 1.87 ERA, 31.3% strikeout rate, 6.9% walk rate and grounders on more than half of the balls in play he’s allowed.

That minor league performance has seemingly led to plenty of interest around the league, with Baltimore being his latest stop. If he can perform like that at the major league level, he could be a nice asset for a Baltimore bullpen that hasn’t been strong this year. Their relief corps has a collective 4.18 ERA, putting them in the bottom third of the league. If things click, he can be retained beyond this season via arbitration, but based on the way his year has gone, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him bouncing around again soon.

Zimmermann, 29, has been in the Orioles’ organization for more than six years now. He came over from Atlanta in the July 2018 trade that sent Kevin Gausman and Darren O’Day the other way. He appeared in 38 games over the 2020-23 seasons, logging 158 1/3 innings with a 5.57 ERA, 18.1% strikeout rate, 5.2% walk rate and 41.1% ground ball rate.

He’s been on optional assignment for all of 2024 so far, having tossed 69 1/3 innings in the minors with a 4.41 ERA, 21.7% strikeout rate and 8.6% walk rate. With the trade deadline now passed, the O’s will have to put Zimmermann on waivers in the coming days.

This is his final option year, so he’ll be out of options next year. A claiming club could potentially stash him in the minors for the rest of this season but he would need an active roster spot by next year. He has less than two years of service time, so any claiming club could control him for five seasons beyond this one. If he were to pass through outright waivers unclaimed, he would stick with the O’s in a non-roster capacity.

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  1. myaccount2

    10 months ago

    You gotta do what you gotta do, but that’s an unfortunate look for Elias.

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    • i like al conin

      10 months ago

      Well said. They probably could have had at least Tyler Anderson or equivalent for what they gave up.

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      • Paleobros

        10 months ago

        Hey man, you gotta do what you gotta do.

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  2. Lloyd Emerson

    10 months ago

    Not sure how these moves help that dumpster fire of a bullpen.

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    • Denunzio

      10 months ago

      Lol,…. They do Not help,

      Elias has had a horrible summer, so many poor moves, mistakes, mis-handling of rookies and all The Bad trades,

      Hyde has not been much better,
      Elias and Hyde better look in the mirror and Fix these issues in a hurry, cause that Window will close quickly.

      The Burnes window is already Closing now, their Burnes chances are abruptly ending in one Month.

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      • Big Hurt

        10 months ago

        Hey Denunzio, I bet Sewald and Samuel and all the other Orioles dunces wished they had Cease now, huh? Or Skubal? Or even Flaherty or Crochet.
        This is pretty hilarious actually. All these Elias apologists on this site are getting exactly what they deserve.
        I noted at the time that this was a horrible trade and that they needed to actually pony up for a REAL starter… all these geniuses argued that Elias was an oracle and we knew nothing. Ouch!
        Would love for one of them to come here and admit that giving up Mayo and Povich for an actual starter was the right move and they were wrong, but won’t happen.

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        • Denunzio

          10 months ago

          Exactly Big hurt –
          Many of us recall vividly last winter the arrogance of Balt fans stating emphatically they did not like nor want a stud like Cease;
          Then the summer July rolls around they firmly state Crochet and Skubal are unwanted, not to mention SEA with a Woo or BMiller for young hitters, as we all know SEA needs/ needed hitters badly, a young Woo was out there, for a Norby, stowers, etc

          But Noooo….. Let’s deal Norby and Stowers for at best a #4/5 lefty from the Marlins. Ha, real smart Elias,
          Eflin was not a bad idea, but he gets injury prone. Eflin is not a difference maker, albeit he is better than the bum Rogers.

          Then Elias ignores the pen, Kimbrel help, stupid of him. Kopech who is lights out with LA now Elias could have had dirt cheap, for the batting machine and the Team Bus.

          Big Hurt, who is worse – arrogant Os fans who drink hyde and Elias Kool Aid all summer, or Elias himself.
          The organiz.has issues ahead, They just blew the Burnes window and next yr they have the young Grayson Rod, and who else? Elias could have had a STACKED rotation for next 3 yrs, but nope, let’s Instead make poor decisions.

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        • FOmeOLS

          10 months ago

          Povich has no value. Mayo has no defense. I would be THRILLED to trade Mayo for a good pitcher.

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  3. Blah blah blah

    10 months ago

    its been 3 weeks and this trade is already looking like a misstep for Baltimore. Norby looks good in Miami.

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    • Waymann

      10 months ago

      In fairness though, Stowers has looked absolutely awful. Enough so to undo the short burst Norby has gotten out the gate over his first 3 games in Miami. Thus far, Miami has gotten negative value out of this trade too.

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      • myaccount2

        10 months ago

        Miami traded a mediocre pitcher who had no future on the team, so I don’t think one prospect looking bad negates the other looking good. I bet Miami would happily take Norby turning into a regular at the expense of Stowers completely fizzling out.

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        • Waymann

          10 months ago

          Norby has looked good for 3 games playing for a team with nothing to lose and no depth chart concerns.

          It’s just not fair to completely write off Rogers like that knowing the O’s viewed him as a work in progress. Also, he was 2-9 this year for the Fins with a 4.5 ERA and FIP. Call that him being mediocre if you want…I’m going to call it his team failing to provide offense for him repeatedly while he was giving them chances to win.

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        • myaccount2

          10 months ago

          His 4.53 ERA isn’t anything special. The league-average ERA is 4.10. His ERA+ is 99. He’s average. Trading a promising IF with 7 years of control for an average SP who is “a work in progress” isn’t something I’d personally do. That guy needs to be moved in a larger package for a solidified #2, IMO.

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    • Dan oleson

      10 months ago

      Brutal trade; Marlins outsmarted Orioles GM who seemed intent to finding along-term solution but settled for less than a bandaid. Norby alone should have scored Anderson….

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  4. Jbigz12

    10 months ago

    Norby’s played 3 games and Stowers looks like he belongs in AAA.

    Rogers is a dumpster fire and I thought Norby would’ve brought back more but I certainly wouldn’t say that he’s going to be a good ML’er yet.

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    • For Love of the Game

      10 months ago

      Stowers almost 40% K rate in over 100 PAs. And one home run. Yikes!

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      • Waymann

        10 months ago

        @For Love

        Seriously though, I hate to rag on the boy Stowers but it almost feels necessary to counter the extreme opinions. For as rough as Rogers’ start with the O’s has been…Stowers has been nearly twice as bad according to BaseballReference WAR. It’s almost hard to imagine but a 40% K rate will do that to you.

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  5. Reynaldo's

    10 months ago

    How does Emmanuel Rivera keep getting Major League jobs?

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  6. Rsox

    10 months ago

    Neither do Joe Orsulak, Mike Devereux or Chito Martinez but you don’t hear them complaining…

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    • Rsox

      10 months ago

      Jeff Tackett

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    • Rsox

      10 months ago

      Tim Hulett

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    • scarfish

      10 months ago

      Jeffrey Hammonds

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    • DroppedThirdStrike

      10 months ago

      Billy “F%!$face” Ripken

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      • Rsox

        10 months ago

        Sherman Obando

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      • acrease77

        10 months ago

        Mickey Tettelton

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    • Devlsh

      10 months ago

      Bo Hart!

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    • dm867

      10 months ago

      Tito Landrum! How does he not have a statue???

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    • Thornton Mellon

      10 months ago

      Cesar Izturis
      Kevin Bass
      Jack Voigt
      Bret Barberie
      Luis Polonia
      Eugene Kingsale
      Manny Alexander
      Rich Becker
      These Orioles immortals also must be remembered.

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        10 months ago

        Oh my, Rich Becker. A name I haven’t heard in years…

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      • Rsox

        10 months ago

        You forgot
        Willie Greene
        Willis Otanez
        Damon Buford
        Ryan Minor
        Mark Smith
        Paul Carey
        Matt Nokes
        Mike Pagliarulo
        Andy Van Slyke

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  7. LFGMets (Metsin7) #BannedForBeingABaseballExpert

    10 months ago

    Looks like I was right about Elias. Those who made fun or me or said that I was trolling can appolagize on this thread. He did nothing to move the needle. Bottom 5 Gms in the game. Never goes for it when his team has a chance to win it all. High drafts picks from being losers for 5+ years all to amount to nothing. But don’t worry guys, he’ll brag about how well he drafts when they basically have a top 5 pick every year. That’ll show em!

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    • Waymann

      10 months ago

      Let go of the anger, my brother. Look for the good in life.

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    • myaccount2

      10 months ago

      He’s definitely not a bottom 5 GM the way he drafts and the development system he put in place. Many of the guys he drafted and developed weren’t top picks–see Henderson (42nd), Norby (41st), Mayo (103rd), Westburg (30th). There’s no way he’s worse than the GMs in Colorado, Anaheim, San Francisco, Saint Louis, Oakland, Cincinnati, Toronto, etc. and there are a few TBD that don’t look super promising, plus I could be missing a few.

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    • jdgoat

      10 months ago

      You need to give him more than a couple of years to actually finish off a World Series competitor. His final top pieces are just making it to the majors now. If he continues supplementing this roster by giving up significant assets for guys like Rogers though, you might be correct in a few years. This is the most difficult part of roster building. Anybody can tank for years to accumulate pieces, adding the right pieces to that foundation is where the top minds distance themselves from the pack.

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    • Lloyd Emerson

      10 months ago

      I’m sorry you obviously have no clue how to spell “apologize”

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    • Os&nattybohs

      10 months ago

      You sound like an absolute idiot. How about you worry about your $300M bust of a team. Elias is an absolute genius. Dude literally transformed this entire organization. Yes they did have high picks but they were far from guaranteed. Perfect example was most people wanted him to take Druw Jones and instead took Jackson Holliday. Jackson absolutely tore through the minors and Druw is not even a top 100 prospect anymore. Also Gunnar was a (2nd round pick), Norby (2nd round), Westburg (late 1st round), Mayo (4th round), Joey Ortiz (4th round) and Basallo international slot, He has absolutely destroyed the draft. And his best draft pick was a 2nd rounder who is now a Superstar at 23. He also revamped the entire international system for the Orioles also which has been missing for forever. 12 of the Orioles top 30 prospects are now international and some will show up in a huge way in the coming years. He is a top 5 GM easily. Oh and now he has real ownership who is ready to spend.

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    • lesterdnightfly

      10 months ago

      “Those who made fun or me or said that I was trolling can appolagize on this thread..”

      What about those billions who actually know how spell apologize?

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      10 months ago

      LFGMets is almost as big a moron as Denunzero

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  8. jdgoat

    10 months ago

    People will come on here and try to tell you acquiring good pitching is actually bad though.

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    • RunDMC

      10 months ago

      Yes, but who, after watching Rogers or looking at his stats, thinks he is still ‘good pitching’? That prospect pool could have gotten a slew of arms around the league…and that’s who they decided on? Seriously? They must be looking to next year, b/c nothing this year would indicate he was the right guy for a playoff run. Then, why would you give up 2 good prospects for next year? Are you not re-signing Burnes? Can you not afford someone like Flaherty? Doesn’t make sense and looks like they squandered the prospect pool in much of the same way SD has done in years past.

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    • Travis’ Wood

      10 months ago

      Well Rogers is nowhere near good so I have No clue what your point is

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      • jdgoat

        10 months ago

        People were saying giving up more assets to acquire an ace like Skubal was a worse idea than settling for a subjectively bad pitcher like Rogers.

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  9. RunDMC

    10 months ago

    This is hilarious re: Rogers. Trade 2 legitimate prospects that could have landed many other available arms, and they option him. Really thought they should have landed FA-to-be Flaherty, as a reunion, but maybe they thought they’re going to fix Rogers.

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    • Sideline Redwine

      10 months ago

      can you please tell me how all prospects will fare in the future, as you have a crystal ball?

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      10 months ago

      Saint – nah. Flaherty may have been a good fit for Detroit but he acted like a spoiled primadonna in Baltimore. Always stone faced, sitting off by himself, never smiling or talking to anyone, always trailing behind the rest of the SPs pre-game en route to the dugout… he wasn’t a good fit. Didn’t help that he sucked.

      Oh, and you picked up on the only example of Flaherty smiling – clinching the division. The highest point of the season. What a proof point lol

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      10 months ago

      Saint doesn’t follow the Orioles, otherwise he’d know that even Skubal wouldn’t be able to put a bandaid on the defensive issues, bullpen weakness, and streaky offense lately. He’s howling into the wind. Just like every other idiot who thought Elias shouldn’t heed his lesson learned with Flaherty, and try again. What do they say about insanity? Trying the same thing over again and expecting a different result?

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    • Dolla Bill

      10 months ago

      Very common knowledge, signed a Cub fan. Saint is into his feelings.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      8 months ago

      SaintChris – Hilarious how you got owned so badly that you remembered to come back two months later just to further embarrass yourself

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      8 months ago

      You just proved you aren’t a serious person. Bleacher Report? May as well be SI! Clickbait bogus. Flaherty is not welcome back in Baltimore. To use your quip in return, you’re delusional.

      And yes, owned. Until last night, Flaherty’s ERA over his last six starts was nearly 6! Clown lol

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        8 months ago

        Do you understand how calendars work? They advance, day by day.

        Anyone watching his time with the O’s could see the bad attitude.

        The only liar here is the clown posting Bleacher Report – clickbait AI junk LOL.

        You’re irrelevant and silly 🙂

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      • SewaldSwansonSwoon

        8 months ago

        You need to learn how to read (and discern clickbait rumor mill crap like Bleacher Report & SI).

        Flaherty was not a good clubhouse guy in Baltimore. Period. That is fact. He was aloof, kept to himself, and didn’t participate in anything – no sprinkler, no discussion with other pitchers, no dugout celebrations. He’s a head-case, and didn’t even smile until the division was clinched. Total weirdo.

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  10. 2012orioles

    10 months ago

    Still say the Rogers move was for next year with anything added this year is a bonus. It’s crazy to type this out, given the total opposite 10 years or so ago, but the Orioles can develop pitchers now. This isn’t a failure by any means yet. They are hoping they can fix him for next year and beyond

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    • Waymann

      10 months ago

      My thoughts exactly, dude. Give him a head start on tinkering and off-season revamp.

      Also, people act like the O’s got fleeced in this deal but, for as rough as the first go has been for Rogers, he’s not nearly been as bad as Stowers has with something like a 40-50% K rate. Norby is good but where does he play on the O’s? We can’t have a lineup with 9 middle infielders.

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  11. Waymann

    10 months ago

    Seeing Rogers get optioned stings but keep in mind that the team brass knew he’d be a work in progress…there’s just no wiggle room this year to let him keep trying to work it out on the major league team. Also, this strikes me as a prelude to good news coming soon on Gray-Rod and Eflin. I’m guessing they made this move with the knowledge those two players are progressive well…so plan is bring up some fresh bullpen arms and look to hold serve over the next 15-20 games then lock in for the final stretch.

    I could see a scenario where this serves as a jumpstart on the off-season revamp for Rogers. Let him head to Norfolk and start tinkering then get a full cycle with the pitching braintrust and come into next season on a clean slate.

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  12. letitbelowenstein

    10 months ago

    Every team has those moments that are painful. This is the O’s turn. That trade wouldn’t have been good even if only Stowers had been dealt.

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  13. sad tormented neglected mariners fan

    10 months ago

    A “buy low situation”??? I don’t think you trade 2 quality players for a guy who gets optioned to AAA

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    • Sideline Redwine

      10 months ago

      my first question…regardless of the demotion. Two solid prospects are “buy low”??? lol

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      10 months ago

      He’s a controllable lefty starter and a former all star that’s still on the good side of 30…

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  14. Sideline Redwine

    10 months ago

    A “buy-low” situation? Stowers and Norby? I sure wish the O’s would have offered those two for Eflin…

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  15. Butter Biscuits

    10 months ago

    Should have gone after Skubal with all those prospects instead of middling players

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      10 months ago

      Stupid take. Skubal wouldn’t fix the bullpen and the ailing defense and the streaky offense.

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  16. C Yards Jeff

    10 months ago

    Bowman pitched 2 innings of no run, no hit ball at OPACY earlier this year. Probably means nothing, but…

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  17. Billg7987

    10 months ago

    Irvin pitched better than Rogers. That’s why Rogers was sent down. Selby was sent down because they needed a fresh arm. He’ll be back. They know what they have in Vespi. It’s not much, but he can typically throw moderately acceptable strikes. Bowman is just throwing stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks. That’s how they got Webb and Selby and Suárez (and Burch and oh so much garbage).

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  18. davidrocholl

    10 months ago

    Here’s the question of the year for the Orioles. Why is your #1 prospect still in the majors?? Jackson Holliday has been the #1 prospect in the game since he was drafted, and your going to deny him the opportunity to be rookie of the year!! Just sayin’!!!

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    • C Yards Jeff

      10 months ago

      Mateo and Westburg on the shelf

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    • geotheo

      10 months ago

      He got an 8 million dollar signing bonus. Even with the Orioles slumping he’s got a chance to play in the postseason this year as a 20 year old. If his career continues as expected he will make an awful lot of money by the time he is 25. Most players would trade postseason play for a trophy anyday.

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    • Patriot12992

      10 months ago

      Huh? They are trying to win a division title and he is the best option for them.

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      • davidrocholl

        10 months ago

        and batting .181 with a 34.5% strikeout rate and a walk rate of less than 1% is helping this team!!

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      • davidrocholl

        10 months ago

        and batting .181 with a 34.5% strikeout rate, and walk rate at less than 1% is helping this team!!

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  19. Baseball_dude

    10 months ago

    Lmao.. this is gonna go down as one of the worst trades in Oriole history

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    • Thornton Mellon

      10 months ago

      Not possible, unless he drove the team bus off the Bay Bridge with the team in it.

      Eddie Murray for Juan Bell, Brian Holton, Ken Holzman

      Curt Schilling, Steve Finley, and Pete Harnisch for Glenn Davis

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  20. LordD99

    10 months ago

    Fascinating.

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  21. schwender

    10 months ago

    Eflin – Hurt
    Flaherty – Awful
    Heasley – Gone
    Burnes – 6.21ERA over last 30
    Rogers – Demoted
    Dominguez – Mets PTSD
    Irvin – Outrighted
    Soto – 14.73ERA over 30
    Pache – dumped
    Eloy – .695 OPS as a DH we didn’t need

    As far as trading goes, I don’t think Elias could have done any worse in the last two seasons.

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    • Patriot12992

      10 months ago

      Your really throwing Burnes in there?

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    • tuck 2

      10 months ago

      This is ridiculous. First compare what they gave up in those trades. Zero

      Also you can’t be serious about Burnes? You got a CY Young winner for next to nothing and he’s 13-5 3.10 despite one bad outing and couple subpar. Citing short term ERA after thing worst outing of his career is idiotic.

      As for Soto and Dominguez – you got 2 guys with 100 mph stuff and proven playoff success. Maybe see what these look like next year.

      Same with Rogers. He’s down to bring up some fresh arms – and to work on some things. He’s a 5th or 6th starter so relax.

      Every expert says Os had the best deadline of any team – two weeks doesn’t decide this.

      Lastly – can everyone just except the fact the Grayson, Bradish, Means, Eflin, Wells, Webb, Coulombe and Felix would be one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and all are in the IL.

      Elias should be lauded for the Os still being 1/2 game out of first.

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      • GooseGoslinGuy

        10 months ago

        “except the fact…”??? You mean “ACCEPT the fact”???? The level of illiteracy at MLBTR is scary. If you don’t know which words are which, and cannot spell them, how can you use them to express what you mean?

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    • Denunzio

      10 months ago

      @Schwender –

      EXACTLY! Awful moves by Elias,
      Now Eflin was the one decent move, that could/ would Help IF Ef stays healthy and IF Balt can miraculously get to an actual NLDS series, where a SP not named Burnes is needed.
      But we all know great chance the O’s lose right away in WC games.

      Elias blew it, a yuge massive failure, and couple this with a sub-par game Mgr in Hyde, they have major issues going into ’25., not to mention the SP woes in ’25 without a Burnes.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      10 months ago

      Schwender joins the stupid troll list with LFGMets and Denunzero

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    • Thornton Mellon

      10 months ago

      Burnes?

      I guess every time Cal Ripken went 0 for 4 over a 16 year stretch you were screaming he’s a bum and needs to sit?

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  22. tuck 2

    10 months ago

    This a bad read of the situation. He pitched adequately in his last start – he’s a number 5 starter – they just need fresh bullpen arms to get through this weekend. He’ll miss one start maybe 2 and he’ll be back when rosters expand by 2 in September.

    As for the trade – let’s evaluate that in a year. Stowers is not going to amount to anything so this will be Norby vs Rogers. Personally I don’t love it, but it doesn’t change my view that Elias is the best GM in baseball.

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  23. Patriot12992

    10 months ago

    Why do we continually need to editorialize Saurez’ season? Every time he comes up you guys mention he is a “journeyman” back for the first time in years. But he is pitching extremely well and has the peripherals to match. At what point is he allowed to just be a good pitcher?

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  24. Devlsh

    10 months ago

    It’s fascinating there seem to be two extreme views with little middle ground (much like America).

    From an outside perspective, I’d say Elias has done a terrific job building the team and assembling a worthy collection of prospects. That said, he hasn’t yet shown a knack for acquiring guys who are playoff ready, which is where this team is now. Some of that has been because of financial restraints, which are hopefully no longer in place, but a team ought never assume their “window’ will remain open indefinitely, and tinkering around the edges in hopes of finding gold is better left to teams on the rebuild (or the Rays) and isn’t ideal for a team ready to win NOW.

    A lot of GMs are good at one or two things (DiPoto, making trades, Prellar finding minor league talent over and over, and so on). At this point, Elias needs to show he recognizes the urgency of the present and a willingness to give up assets in return for quality help. This offseason, he’ll have another opportunity, but if he fails again, it’ll be fair to say this may be his Achilles heel.

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  25. geotheo

    10 months ago

    What about Eflin? Arguably one of the best pitchers available at the deadline. What great pitcher was available. Tigers weren’t trading Skubal. Angels didn’t trade Anderson. It’s not a Wendy’s there has to be a team at the other end. And the Orioles aren’t trading 6 years (potentially 900 games) of Holliday for 70 starts or so of Skubal. They invested too much for Holliday

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      10 months ago

      Foolish. The offense actually isn’t good since… late June

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    • Thornton Mellon

      10 months ago

      We don’t know what would have landed Skubal or Crochet, and all the other contenders were in the same predicament. Especially the Chi Sox, given the Cease BS over the last year.

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  26. Rickover50

    10 months ago

    Prospects are nice but parades are nicer.. was stupid not to pursue skubal and then give up mayo and stowers for this guy. O’s will get swept out round one

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      10 months ago

      Another stupid commenter who isn’t as smart as Mike Elias and wants every team to end up washed out after one WS appearance each decade… like the Nats

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      • User 401527550

        10 months ago

        You’re still being a joke and defending this horrible GM. The Orioles won’t even get a WS appearance. Every move this horrible GM makes the Orioles get worse and worse. Good thing players start walking out the door this winter.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          10 months ago

          Oh, forgot to put your name in the bucket with LFGMets and Deninzero as full-blown idiots

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        • User 401527550

          10 months ago

          You are the most moronic person on here blowing smoke up your GMS butt because he intentionally lost for 5 years. Other than that he is horrendous but keep saying dumb crap and running your mouth.

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        • SewaldSwansonSwoon

          10 months ago

          If only you were remotely credible…

          But you’re not. You’re a joke, and a clown. You know nothing.

          Buh bye!

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  27. SewaldSwansonSwoon

    10 months ago

    BJ Surhoff

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    • C Yards Jeff

      10 months ago

      Chico Salmon

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  28. SewaldSwansonSwoon

    10 months ago

    This ignores that, while Rogers has been hit hard, he’d have kept the team in the game in at least two of those starts if the offense didn’t continually forget to show up with RISP.

    Also, Hyde said all this is to freshen the pen. With Irvin back on the 40, Rogers becomes redundant. They didn’t have much choice after Eflin went on the IL… it was either Irvin or Zimmermann to fill those shoes, and Zimm throws absolute batting practice. They’re all three shades of the same pitcher, but Rogers has the obvious higher ceiling. And god knows the bullpen needs help. Good grief. So a shakeup is fine by me. It is regrettable it includes a guy who was supposed to help a gutted rotation, but Elias seems to always have some sort of plan…

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  29. tuck 2

    10 months ago

    Burnes has to be headed to IL next

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  30. Denunzio

    10 months ago

    @tuck-2 ,
    Yes, correct, for the first time all summer you sir are Correct with a hot take! Congrats,

    but seriously, it appears Burnes could use a brief timeout, quick IL stint, get himself fully healthy and fresh for a big mid to late Sept run.

    With Brew Crew and counsel all those years this was not uncommon, Corbin had some quick IL stints at times. Let’s hope he is fresh for final push.

    Despite my O’s rants, Burnes is great guy and good for game, and needed for possible playoff push, even if a quick exit thnx to Elias and Hyde incompetence.

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  31. Tattedbaker

    10 months ago

    I love to see it!

    U got a great team and a great farm system and instead of going for it they opt to dumpster dive 2 deadlines in a row. And get nothing from who they traded for.

    Do better.

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    • Hard to walk with four balls

      10 months ago

      at least they didn’t get Skubal and held on to Holliday who is making quite the impact.

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    • SewaldSwansonSwoon

      10 months ago

      How would trading prospects have helped their sputtering offense and flailing defense?

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  32. Tattedbaker

    10 months ago

    Did u know u trade prospects to get better? I mean not the O’s but that’s part of the problem with them…

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  33. GooseGoslinGuy

    10 months ago

    Short-term pitching situation looks bad for Birds.

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