Pete Alonso is an Oriole. Baltimore announced the five-year deal on Thursday and will formally introduce their new slugger at a press conference on Friday morning. The Boras Corporation client reportedly receives a $155MM guarantee. He’ll collect a $12.5MM signing bonus and an $18.5MM salary in 2026. He’ll then earn $31MM per year over the next four seasons. There are no deferrals or opt-outs in the contract, and Alonso receives a limited no-trade clause. Catcher Maverick Handley has been designated for assignment as a corresponding 40-man roster move.
It’s the second major defection from the Mets in as many days. Edwin Diaz spurned Queens for a three-year, $69MM deal with the Dodgers just yesterday. Alonso now heads to the Orioles, with whom he met in person at this week’s Winter Meetings (which are being held in Orlando, not all that far from Alonso’s Tampa-area home).
Although bolstering the rotation has been the obvious goal for Baltimore all offseason, the O’s have also been in pursuit of a major upgrade to the lineup. They offered Kyle Schwarber the same five-year, $150MM terms to which he agreed in his return to the Phillies and have now pushed incrementally further to give Alonso a record-setting average annual value for a first baseman over that same five-year term.
Alonso, who turned 31 over the weekend, famously rejected a reported seven-year, $158MM extension offer from the Mets back in 2023. He drew a fair bit of criticism for that decision, particularly when his market didn’t develop as hoped during last offseason’s initial foray into free agency. Alonso wound up returning to the Mets on a two-year, $54MM deal that was frontloaded with a $30MM salary in 2025 and allowed him to opt back into free agency this winter.
Between that $30MM, the $20.5MM he earned in his final season of arbitration eligibility and the newly promised $155MM from the Orioles, Alonso will end up with $205.5MM over the same seven years that would’ve been covered under the extension offer he turned down.
In Alonso, the Orioles are adding one of the steadiest power hitters on the planet. He’s slugged at least 34 home runs in every 162-game season since his 2019 debut, plus another 16 round-trippers in the shortened 2020 campaign. Dating back to 2019, Schwarber (268) and Aaron Judge (285) are the only players with more home runs than Alonso’s 264.
Steady as his power output has been, Alonso needed a “rebound” campaign of sorts in order to get this type of long-term deal. While his market last offseason was surely weighed down by a qualifying offer — players can only receive one QO in their career, so that wasn’t an issue this time around — Alonso had slugged a career-low 34 home runs with an increase in strikeouts and a downturn in his batted-ball metrics. His .240/.329/.459 output in 2024 was more good than elite.
The 2025 campaign brought improvements across the board. Alonso belted 38 homers and 41 doubles (up from 31 the year prior) while slashing .272/.347/.524 (141 wRC+). He lopped two percentage points off his strikeout rate, cutting it to a roughly average 22.8%, and saw enormous upticks in his average exit velocity (93.5 mph in ’25, 89.8 mph in ’24), barrel rate (18.9% vs. 13.2%) and hard-hit rate (54.4% vs. 46.4%). Alonso struggled through a poor month of July, but as the Mets were fighting for their postseason lives (and ultimately falling short), Alonso put the team’s offense on his back alongside fellow stars Juan Soto and Francisco Lindor. From Aug. 1 onward, the “Polar Bear” raked at a .297/.339/.584 clip (153 wRC+) with 16 home runs and 15 doubles in 239 plate appearances.
Despite that Herculean finish to the season, Alonso received tepid interest from the only club he’s ever known. The Mets were reportedly reluctant to go beyond three years in their talks with Alonso, and the New York Post’s Joel Sherman reported in the aftermath of today’s agreement that they never made a formal offer once it became clear where Alonso’s market was headed. That’s surely a point of frustration for the majority of Mets fans but also shouldn’t come as a major surprise; if the Mets were going to commit to Alonso long-term under president of baseball operations David Stearns and owner Steve Cohen, that likely would have happened last winter. The Mets were only comfortable with a short-term deal then and clearly didn’t change that thinking this time around.
Alonso is the second 30-homer slugger acquired by Baltimore president of baseball operations Mike Elias this winter. The O’s also picked up outfielder Taylor Ward (36 homers in 2025) in a trade sending talented but oft-injured righty Grayson Rodriguez to the Angels. The additions of Alonso and Ward should both add an influx of right-handed power to a team that hit just .231/.297/.364 against left-handed pitching in 2025 and also create myriad trade possibilities for Elias and his staff.
It’s feasible that the Orioles simply add a prominent starting pitcher via free agency as their primary means of addressing the rotation, but their newly acquired thumpers open the space for more creativity. Alonso’s addition could make it easier to trade young corner infielder Coby Mayo, while plugging Ward into a corner outfield spot makes one of Dylan Beavers or Colton Cowser easier to include in a trade for pitching help. Baltimore’s decision to tender a contract to Ryan Mountcastle, a defensively limited right-handed slugger coming off a poor season, now looks like all the more of a head-scratcher, though. The O’s could try to find a taker willing to buy low on him or, alternatively, hope that he can bounce back and be part of the solution between first base and designated hitter.
Payroll-wise, there was always clear runway to add a major contract to the books. The Orioles have spent the better part of the past decade in a rebuild and thus haven’t been handing out multi-year deals very often. The only players guaranteed anything beyond the upcoming 2026 season are Tyler O’Neill, Ryan Helsley and Samuel Basallo. O’Neill and Helsley are only signed through 2027, and Helsley can opt out of his contract following the 2026 season. (O’Neill’s $16.5MM salary in 2027 is all but immovable after his ugly 2025 showing.) Basallo’s eight-year, $67MM extension has just an $8.375MM average annual value. His salary will sit at just $1MM in each of the next three seasons and won’t top $10MM until 2031, at which point Alonso’s contract will have already wrapped up.
Alonso adds $31MM per year to the ledger — assuming an even distribution of his $155MM — but the rest of the books are so clean that it shouldn’t impede the Orioles from future additions of note and/or extensions for prominent young players. RosterResource now projects them for a payroll just under $148MM in 2026, but the 2027 books only have $62.5MM in guaranteed money ($48.5MM if Helsley turns down his player option). By 2028, Alonso and Basallo are the only players guaranteed anything.
Alonso’s contract becomes the second-largest in Orioles history, trailing only the seven-year, $161MM contract given to first baseman Chris Davis under a prior ownership and front office regime. That contract was laden with deferrals, too, which considerably weighed down the net present value.
When considering that wrinkle, the investment in Alonso can be considered the most significant expenditure in franchise history — but it’s also just one of several steps the Orioles will take this winter. Elias is still angling to upgrade his team’s rotation, and the O’s could still use help in the bullpen. This could very well end up being viewed as the signature move of the offseason — if not the entire Elias era to date — but the O’s aren’t likely to coast from here to spring training. There’s more on the horizon.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan first reported the sides were finalizing a five-year, $155MM deal. Andy Kostka of The Baltimore Banner was first on the limited no-trade protection. Jon Heyman of The New York Post had the salary structure.


HOLY S#!+!!!!
The Mets will definitely regret this.
They could’ve signed him last offseason. They didn’t want him.
simon – Just the other day I said the Orioles finally mean business and it’s therefore bad news for the Red Sox who allegedly had strong interest in Alonso and was competing with the Orioles for his services.
And here we are ….. AL East is gonna be a 4-team battle next year.
They did. Gave him a 2 year deal. We gonna have to see where the Mets go from here.
Don’t sleep on the Rays, they’re supposedly interested in Marte😂
@Simon
I definitely think the Mets wanted just not at the length. This is a step backwards. Let’s see how they’ll replace his bat.
Four team battle? How many IPs per start do you think Alonso will average? They have two guys locked into their 2026 rotation, one of whom started 18 games last season and the other started 6. They still don’t have anybody who is even average defensively in CF. They have four corner OFs, and two 1B/DH types in addition to Aonso. (Seriously, if you were going to do this, why didn’t you non-tender Mountcastle and why did you trade for Taylor Ward?) Until the Os address the rotation (and so far this off-season the trade of Grayson weakens the rotation), and rationalize their roster, they’re not a contender. Not saying this is a bad signing, Alonso should do well in the middle of the lineup. Just saying that they still don’t seem to have a sensible strategy to build the team.
Starling Marte?
Lou- We have 3 solid SPs already in Rogers, Bradish, and Kremer, and we’re obviously going to add at least 1 more good SP to the OD rotation this offseason, maybe even 2, plus we have decent depth with Wells, Povich, and Young, plus a couple of solid prospects like Trey Gibson and Michael Forret nearing MLB readiness.
The O’s rotation is nowhere near as big of a problem as you seem to believe.
Doubting the O’s are done here, Lou.
Meanwhile we’re still waiting on anything from the Yanks…
Fingers crossed.
John Henry: “can you believe the Orioles gave $155 mil to Pete Alonso?”
Breslow: “Yeah, what’re they trying to do—win?”
FPG – wow, didn’t Boras play all these front office guys like fiddles. He runs circles around them.
Im gonna see if he’ll take me on as a client. Get my boss to give me a 300% raise for one year, with no guarantees beyond that, and then get me 5x that amount
Congrats Orioles. Seems like the AL east is getting better. Hope we can hold pace
the Ward trade is the one that i just do not get.
Mountcastle was cheap enough to tender that being the primary bench bat is fine for a contender. Also almost hints that they can flip Mayo for pitching.
Kremer is a 5th starter at best- feels like a depth SP who should be competing for a LR role or spending time in AAA as the 7th or 8th option for a club
They definitely weren’t “competing” if they weren’t willing to pay this.
Fat – that conversation took place in a bathtub filled with Red Sox fans money
James has no clue. Kremer is a league average starter.
It’s only a problem if you are interested in winning. By all means plug in your 3 and depth and see what that gets you in October.
Sad—LOL! A luxury hot tub!
The Taylor Ward trade and the Alonso signing was never a this or that type of situation. Adding both bats to the lineup, both RH power bats, was exactly what they needed.
In terms of Mountcastle, he is likely going to be traded or Mayo is on the way out the door in a package for a starter. Alonso will play first but my guess is that, depending on which player of the above gets traded, Alonso might get more reps at DH if Mountcastle is retained – Mountcastle is clearly a better defender than Alonso. Mayo, not so much, his promise is in offensive production.
In terms of CF, as of now they look to be giving Cowser the start and then putting in defensive substitution in close games where the Orioles are ahead late in the game. Bradfield Jr is going to get the opportunity to win the CF job next year, so they aren’t going to make any additions that will block him, unless he is included in a package for pitching.
They had multiple balls in the air and still do, so while they are juggling everything with the potential pitching additions, the Alonso signing just opens up different avenues trade wise.
I think their offseason strategy has been great. They have added a durable, RH power bat in the outfield, a closer, another high leverage bullpen arm, a dependable and highly potent power hitter and then depth pieces – and it’s only the beginning of December. They have been one of the most active teams, been very aggressive and they have absolutely improved the team. That’s all you can ask for as a fan, and there is still plenty of time left in the offseason and dominoes left to fall.
Gold plated
You and I are thinking very similarly on this deal, personally I love it. One thing that is on my mind is I think both Mayo and Mountcastle are gone because of this move. What do you think?
I think I read that Mountcastle’s salary isn’t guarenteed yet due to arbitration so they could easy cut bait with him now if no one takes him in a trade. Mayo is clearly blocked now so he will be a trade piece.
Basallo in my mind will serve as the backup 1st baseman, and will serve in a rotating C/1st/DH role similar to Ben Rice.
I don’t think the strategy is to build the team. I think its to sell tickets. This helps in that respect, at least for ’26.
“And here we are ….. AL East is gonna be a 4-team battle next year.”
I agree, the Yankees are cooked. Stick a fork in them. Hee hee hee.
James- Ridiculous comment.
Kremer is a very solid #4 SP that tons of teams would happily take.
Lou, you haven’t been paying attention..The O’s, mark my words, will be signing one of the FA SP’s as well as trading for another with all the trade capital they have now, after the Alonso signing.. They needed to sign the big guy first..Now the balls are all in their court.. Mostly all the FA SP’s are still out there and now they know what they actually have to spend..By the way, Elias already said the other day that their owner, Rubinstein said they have more than enough money to sign a big bat and a big SP and that’s not including trading for one.. The O’s are gonna be a huge threat to your redundant Yanks and the rest of the Division as well.. And Tucker is gonna most likely sign with the Jays., so the Yanks, whether you wanna admit it or not are gonna be feeling the heat from all these teams in this Division..No longer a cakewalk for the Bronx Bombers..
The offseason is not over yet and the Orioles made the playoffs 2/3 past years with essentially the same team. Yes they were injured and underperformed last year. Grod was not going to help the 2026 team much. Cowser is at least average in CF, well above average in a corner. They can still cut Mounty and only pay 20% of his tendered contract. Im sure they can get a mid reliever for him if they eat some of the salary.. say 20%… see what I’m getting at here? Insurance. But the most obvious plan is package Mayo and prospects for a SP, and sign another SP (they said they have the $ to do so). They’d still have $ to sign another bullpen arm or two and have payroll flexibility. I really don’t expect you to understand this given your name, or maybe you do and you’re getting a bit scared and projecting right now
They didn’t non-tender Mountcastle because Elias said he’s a “great hitter.” Lol
Bradish and Rogers are certainly a very good front two, that’s for sure.
Sal, because we have talked a little SD on other posts, I’l say SD is actually paying Tatis less money over the next 5 years than this contract and for Tatis, he will be the same age as Polar Bear is now, after the 5 years.
Just ironic facts since a lot of recent talk about a Tatis trade blockbuster being thrown out there.
King, Elias said it was an obvious weakness and he wanted to add starting pitching. He doesn’t seem to believe the same things you do.
Slightly worse than average, but close over the last 3 seasons.
baseball-reference.com/players/k/kremede01.shtml#2…
He is your #3 on a weak team or #4 on a contender. An ace on the Angels.
That last line was my weak attempt at humor.
You can release Mounty for 1 months pay. And clearly Mayo is going in a SP trade. And they figured GR was cooked.
Agree it doesn’t work so far, but don’t judge til March, not halfway.
Pay down enough of Oneill plus Mayo plus someone from their very nice AA pitcher pool and you could get a SP.
What bothers me is the overpay
Not your money, who cares. Baltimore has to overpay for FA. It’s not a preferred landing spot. This is the reality.
And they could have extended Diaz at any point in the last year or two, but allowed him to go back to market instead.
Cool for the Orioles and Oriole fans, it’s been a long time since they had a December to get excited about…
Title – That would be the ultimate slap in the face of Red Sox Nation, because basically Marte and Bregman are the only two options remaining to fill the Red Sox stated need of a RHB.
But the Rays don’t have the prospects the DBacks want, and the Red Sox definitely do.
Like you really know their strategy.
Since when does “know” come into play on a Trade RUMORS site where dialogue about potential scenarios is not only welcome but expected?
micg – If you’re responding to me, I didn’t pull that information out of my butt …. the Red Sox CBO said he was looking for a righthanded power bat. He said it multiple times, at the start of the offseason and after he acquired two SP’s.
Agree Lou…. this does not seem, to m, to be the player to jump in on. Certainly not for five years.
Bronx – Did you not read the latest article here? O’s are looking into Ranger Suárez, Framber Valdez, Michael King and Tatsuya Imai. I’d be shocked if they don’t land at least one of them. They are going for it next year, you don’t pay top dollar for a guy like Helsley if you aren’t serious about contending.
GrayRod didn’t pitch this year, so they won’t be any worse without him next year either. LOL
You really have to do some homework. Add a full season of a legit number 1 in Bradish, Rogers and Tyler Wells to a solid 4 in Kremer and you have a solid base. Yes they will likely add another starter or two, but the narrative about the O’s having bad starting pitching is largely false. Once they got rid of Charlie, Morton and ill faded try with Kyle Gibson. The starters actually fits pretty well in the second half and especially in the last six weeks when Braddish and Wells came back. I think every team needs seven legit starters, but even after this group guys like Povich and some others can give you some decent innings if people get hurt.
People actually follow the team realize that the real problem last year was inconsistent offense driven by troubles against lefties, and especially for having no protection for Gunnar Henderson. Now with Pete behind him we won’t necessarily see a pitching change every time Gunnar is coming up
The Four team race is the Orioles, Jays, Red Sox and Rays.
That’s just wrong. There are maybe 8 teams in baseball with a better 4th starter.
Name 5 teams with more than 3 front line starters. Jays are not one of them or did you not watch the WS?
Reasonable but really hope they don’t dump Mayo – he’s going to be the real deal.
Mayo really isn’t blocked. Pete should mostly DH. Mayo, Basallo and Adley can all get a lot of ABs in a platoon of sorts. Think of it as 1200 ABs divided among 3 guys –
Floch
If they add 2 SP and 1 more reliever (Soto role) that’s an incredible offseason. Pushing Wells and Povich to the bullpen would be the rest.
Never thought I would see the day they would land a huge signing and also pass on the Rule 5. Feels like bizarro world.
tuck – Excellent post! And O’Neill has to be better than last season, he can’t possibly be any worse … right?
WadeBoggs – In 6 seasons Kremer has had an ERA less than 4 just once. He is very average.
Dude clearly just like half of the Yankees fan base you know absolutely nothing about baseball outside of your beloved yankees. Typical New York bullcrap. Only New York is great anything outside of New York sucks. If you don’t play for the Yankees you automatically suck. Even though I know nothing about anybody that doesn’t play for the yankees. Educate yourself and do actual research before making yourself sound like an idiot. Colton cowser is considered an above average defensive centerfielder by every single defensive statistic and Metric there is. He’s not great defensively. But defense and baseball and softball is overrated. And I’m a baseball and softball coach. All you need is above average to get by and cowser is above average. Now I’ll agree with you when it comes to the pitching aspect. They have good starters and then they have Dean Kremer, who if he is in his proper role as a fifth starter, is probably the best fifth starter in Major League baseball. But on a contender he shouldn’t be anything higher than a five. What you want out of a fifth starter is someone who eats innings, posts up every 5th day, has around a 500 record, and a four and a half and run average. That’s best case scenario for a number five and Dean does that every year. Rest assured the Orioles are going to get two more starting pictures. They will sign one number one or number two type through free agency and they will make a trade for a number 2/3 type that’s controllable for a couple more years. Mark my words. After that they will probably add a mid-tier 7th inning Bullpen option and once that happens the rest of the American League East is absolutely doomed
And here we have the opposite end of the spectrum. The other half of Yankees fans. A guy who clearly knows baseball very well and isn’t just so far up New York’s bunghole he doesn’t notice anything else in baseball
Tell us you know absolutely nothing at all about baseball without telling us you don’t know s*** about baseball. Are you that freaking stupid guy? While Dean Kremer is grossly miscarriage as a number 3 starter, and even a 4th starter on a contender ( news flash, there are about 10 teams in the league at least that he would be the number for starter on), here’s is unquestionably the BEST 5TH STARTER in baseball. Nine times out of 10 the 5th starter on any given team is absolutely abysmal. Usually a number five starter is a horrible pictcher unless you’re talking about a serious serious World Series contender threat. Your average team goes through four or five fifth starters per season. And they will almost always have a losing record and a mid to Upper five and run average. What you get with Dean every single season year and year out is around a 500 record, a guy who posts up every 5th day, consistently gives you more than five innings 25 plus times a season, and keeps and earn run average in the mid-4s. Traditionally that type of production as far better than your average number five starter, even on a contender. That’s what you absolutely hope for out of a number five and every single team in the history of Major League Baseball would be absolutely ecstatic with that production from the Five Spot. Before spewing off nonsense and showing us all how stupid you are do actual research
Exactly. And if you’re a League average starter that makes you one of the best number five starters in the majors. Any team would be a static to have a number five who is consistently around 500 record-wise, post up every 5th day, gives you around 27 starts a year and averages five plus innings in each of them, with an earned run average in the mid-4s. That’s what you’re getting with him and that’s absolutely great for a number five
Astros fan – that’s what I said. A league average starter. Not some # 7 AAA depth piece like dummy said.
Is this chipman? Come on now dude, you’re delusional if you don’t think the Orioles are going to go out and get two more starting pictures. As soon as I am sitting here I’m willing to bet you, actually I guarin damn tea you, the Orioles sign a 1/2 starter and trade for a younger controllable 2/3 type
True dat
Fever- I was not expecting Alonso to get more than Schwarber. Not surprised the Sox did not go this high. The question now is will they sign anyone.
Be nice to see Breslow make a few moves that would show that the Sox want to win. That being said, I did not expect Alonso to get 5 years.
Well BronxLou, they are going to sign a top FA pitcher and with the surplus at 1b trade for another.
Actually, just looked it up. You can release a tendered player and pay him 0 if you release him before the arbitration submission deadline.
Or possibly AI just made it up.
I hate this idea of numbering starters. It’s a ROTATION!!
#1 might get 32 starts while #5 gets 31. So who cares, stop numbering them.
Five categories of SPs don’t exist but there are two categories. There are playoff starters and there are non playoff starters. You need 3 of the first kind. Actually, you need four so that hopefully you have 3 when needed.
171 IP with a 3.97 FIP. Most clubs would love him as a 5th starter.
uncle – I think it will be Suarez or Bregman, or a trade for Marte. There are reports that not many are interested in Bregman right now, probably because his ask is sky high.
Uncle – Must have been 4-year offers from at least one other team, and Baltimore was determined to get him.
That’s what you do when you’re serious about a player, you go the extra mile to get him.
Compare Cease and Kramer over the past four years. The only thing Cease was better in was K’s. That’s not a 7th or 8th option.
@James Someone needs to inform Kremer of this as hes pitched as low end 3 SP to a solid 4 for most of his career.
When ownership suspects a guy’s best assets could go at any minute. Alonso is a curious case, but he keeps on hitting dingers, and he should hit a bunch of ’em at Camden. The BirdBath folks will eat it up!
Not sure why you would think that. Not a front line starter. A solid back end starter. 5 2/3 innings 2-3 run guy. Still he makes 30 starts and in a season where the rotation was a wreck. He was a guy that could be counted on. The funny thing is he will probably pitch til he is 40 make 9 figures, have a lifetime .500 record and a 4 era.
Fever- It seems like it has been a while since the Sox went the extra mile for any high caliber free agent.
With Bregman, after not getting the big deal last offseason and having a bit of a down year, you wonder if anyone is going to actually give him the big deal he wants. If I remember correctly he was signed fairly late last season, so you would think he would want to get a contract sooner this time around. I wonder what his market really is and what kind of a deal he is looking for.
He opted out of a lot of money for 2 years. I’m thinking he wants 5-7y at 40M a year. His mind thinks he still the pre covid Alex. Not the guy heading into his mid 30 Alex.
@Uncle Bregman had kind of a large deal last offseason he chose to opt out. He actually had a better 2025 compared to 2024. He missed time with injury but was much more productive when healthy. That said I see a similar deal just a few more years, Id say hes running out of time leveraging opt outs as age weighs heavier each offseason .
@Nosferatu He had a down 2024, he was much better in 2025 when healthy. Id say 5 yrs is gonna be ceiling for him. Opting out was probably right move, at worst he tacks on a season or two ontop of the 2 he passed on.
Would have given up a draft pick doing so. Not this time.
Kremer is a good 5, Bradish is a good 4 returning from a TJ until he proves otherwise.
Rogers pitched like an ace last season and he may have turned his career around but he had good results early in his career before having a pair of awful seasons in Miami. There was no pressure last year. This year, the pressure is back. Let’s call him a 3.
Wells, Povich and Young, all nice depth. Missing an ace and a solid 2.
It should be a concern. Your bullpen is potentially soft too. Rutschmann and Mayo have both lost some luster but plenty of prospects to get a deal done.
Luis Severino makes some sense. Shane McClanahan could be a very nice addition.
there were only 30 starting pitchers in mlb in 2025, that had eras under 4..show me one team in the last 50 years, that had 5 starters that all had eras under 4.
Uncle – youre right. They havent. My concern is when they do step out for a big free agents, and if they miss, it will loom larger and make them even more risk averse. If you sign three free agents and miss in one, well youre still doing ok. Especially if youre winning!!! But, if you build a team to scrape by and get a wild card, youre under the microscope.
Dodgers POBO Andrew Friedman says, “if you act rationally on every free agents, you end up in third on those free agents, sometimes you have to be a little irrational”.
The best teams spend money, because thats what the best talent demands. Youre talking about the elite of the best in some cases. If you didn’t need star talent we’d be talking about the five time defending Tampa Rays, who just beat the Brewers….again. (lol)
The Sox need a righty power bat. There were two free agents, Alonso and Bichette. If they dont sign one, its like ignoring the problem, as Breslow has done with 2B now for three years.
Tigers – why hasn’t your team signed him yet?. Last year you offered $167m and would’ve lost a pick. The same deal now locks him up, go get him.
But, buyer beware. He was not as good as in 2024. He played like a guy a year older. He hit .250 after the all star game with a .386 slugging and a .724 ops. And, on the grass his defense was not as good as on the turf.
I want you to have him!
ABS – is that a joke? Bradish is a # 4, Wells is depth, and McClanahan and Severino are what they need? Insane take. How can the same person diminish Bradish’s excellent post-TJ performance and advocate for 2-year absentee nerve-damage McClanahan in the same post. Make it make sense.
Uncle – The Sox should have gone the extra mile in this case. Only 31 years old, righthanded slugger who has hit between 34-53 homeruns in every full season of his career going back to 2019 ….. doesn’t get more consistent than that.
I’ve been saying all along Bregman is all about the money. He didn’t agree to the Red Sox offer until the day before ST this year, because he kept trying to get other teams to increase their offers and they wouldn’t.
Did you hear Boras reached out to Seattle, telling them to consider Bregman. That is proof right there the offers haven’t been close to what they want, Boras is used to teams coming to him, not the other way around. It’s not just about the money anymore, it’s about Bregman and Boras saving face. Not a good look if Bregman ends up with less this offseason than what he was offered last offseason.
I’m wondering if they thought he would sign or they put their eggs in the Schwarber basket?
sad – Red Sox are dead last in the division right now for combined WAR of all their position players, and 22nd in MLB.
That says it all. Obviously their pitching carried them last season, I think it’s a big ask to expect the same next season. They better pray Chapman and Crochet remain healthy next year, those were the two guys most responsible for squeaking into the playoffs.
Remember the good ole days when the Sox gave huge contracts to guys like Manny, Pedro, Damon, Foulke, JDM, etc ……. those contracts seemed to work out okay.
sad – Bregman was awful since May 8th!!!
From that date on he had just a .723 OPS with just a .245 BA and .385 SLG.
So many people think Bregman was bad only after returning from the injury …. no, not true …….. he sucked before the injury too. He was good for the first six weeks of the season, that’s it.
FPG – i dont want Bregman back. I wasnt impressed. For all the leadership talk, when he came back in the second half last year he was invisible. I heard more complimentary talk about Story from teammates than Bregman. Just because you’re struggling doesnt mean you shrink, especially if you are creating this “team leader” aura.
I wanted Alonso last year. I wanted him this year, except i knew he was not going to sign unless it was 4yrs or less.
I hold out no hope for Bichette. At this point, it seems most likely that we can end up with 2yrs of Suarez (which, isnt the worst case scenario).
The free agents we talk about here are the best of the best, and (John Henry was right), they are expensive. ANd, the overpay of those last 2yrs are washed away if you win even one world series. thats the price of success.
To your point, Boras plays all these front office ivy league guys. Both Alonso and Bregman will get more money in the end because no one had the base-balls to sign them last year to anything more than a 1yr deal.
I could only dream of the devasting one-two punch that Devers and ALonos wouldve been in that lineup last year.
oh well, its the holiday season, i’m optimistic , and hope to see Bichette and Suarez under my tree
FPG – Dave Dombrowski, where have you gone!?!?!?!!?! we miss you
Sad – You’re not interested in Marte? Is it because of the injuries?
FPG – i said that Bregman had six good weeks with the Sox on a post about two months ago, and got absolutely killed!!!
So I have just decided to stick with the 2nd half stats for my own sanity LOL
FPG – I havent opined on Marte because the front office is never going to pay a guy until hes 37yo. NEVER.
Of course i want him, he’s a machine. I dont care about the clubhouse stuff. Winning washes that away.
I would be less than happy about the amount of talent we would need to give away. I want all the prospects stockpiled for a run at (in this order)
Skenes (for 2027 and beyond)
Peralta (with extension)
Alcantara (before this season starts)
Hunter Brown (at the deadline, if the wheels completely come off the Astros)
Emmitt Sheehan (Connecticut boy, if the Dodgers want Duran at some point)
50 years? The… ’79? Orioles and the ’92 Braves.
Im sure there’s more, but they seem to be exceptions that prove the rule.
Don’t count the Rays out….5-team battle, unless you counted the rays and not the Yankees then ya 4!
you are right; Kremer has an ERA+ of 95. For some reason i only see him getting shelled when i watch games. In either case, he is not a post season starter for a contender, and for a contender that is your inning eater 4/5 type. I do not think there is a single contending team that would be happy with him in the #3 slot of their rotation. He also turns 30 next month, so expecting more out of him is a pipe dream.
I also want to say that i do not think anyone would have pegged him as the most productive peice the Os got in return of Machado-
the issue with the Os last year was a terrible start. April/May were just so bad that they could not really recover. they went 54-51 after June 1; (and could have done better had they not been hard core sellers). They basically played themselves out of the playoff converstation in the first 2-3 months of the season.
Bradish is likely either ACE or hurt.
Rogers is likely either #2 or falls apart
Kremer is a below league average guy- but eats innings at an ERA+ of 95, so should not be a post season starter.
Povich has been given run in the bigs and not had success, Wells needs to get his walk rate and HR rate under control since even in his break out season in 23 he was sent down to figure it out. Young is a 5th starter.
I want them to sign 2 playoff SP since i think it is risky to bet on both Rogers and Bradish to be good to go for the playoffs.. The rest i just do not think you want to bt putting out there for a post season game.
James – clueless. B. Young is not MLB caliber to this juncture. That you bag on Kremer – who is a LEAGUE AVERAGE (not below) starter but peg BY as a # 5 tells me you don’t watch games. Also the offense was the primary problem all of 2025.
Bradish has one major injury. That’s it. “Ace or hurt” – lol.
Wells led the league in WHIP the year prior to TJ. His walk rate is fine.
I wasn’t aware Bradish pitched that well at the end of last season. Impressive numbers. Id say he could fit the bill as the O’s ace if he continues to pitch that well.
A solid two is what the O’s need.
Severino and McClanahan, if available, Id think both could be acquired relatively inexpensively.
Severino has an awful contract, 1 yr. / 25M dollar deal with a 22M player option in ’27. If the A’s were dealing, Baltimore could likely acquire Severino for a pair of low level prospects.
McClanahan is inexpensive dollar wise, has injury risk, and two years left of ARB – Rays probably benefit from having him throw into July but I’d gather that he could be acquired. He could be good. If he looks good in a bullpen or two, its a low risk add with him only on the books for $3.6M in ’26.
I think either fits in well and would make for a good trade potentially. Baltimore wouldn’t have to mortgage the farm to acquire either and both can pitch at the front of the rotation.
Easy,Os need RH bats. Got 35 homeruns and Grayson is useless to them next yr.A starting pitcher that hasn’t pitched in almost 2 yrs can’t give meaningful innings.
You obviously don’t watch Os. Kramer excellent as 5th starter. Keeps team in 3/4 of games and goes 5-6 in most.
@Sad I don’t work in the Tigers front office I cant answer to what they have yet to do.
As for Bregman’s 2025 in 30 less games he put up a 3.5 WAR compared to 4.1 in 2024 playomg an extra 30 games.
FYI before the All Star break is still part of the 2025 season.
Sad- I agree that going all in on one player for a crazy amount of money could definitely backfire. I really thought Alonso was going to get 4 years and figured whatever it took would not be too outrageous.
They really need to do something. I still think Bregman could be a solid piece, but he wasn’t enough to put them over the top so they need one more piece to step up as a team looking like they want to win it all.
Tiger- I really liked Bregman as part of the Sox and would definitely not complain if they brought him back. You are correct he did get a decent contract last year, I was more thinking the long term contract I assume he was hoping for with a higher overall value. It is going to be interesting to see what he gets. The injury absolutely impacted his results for the season as from what I remember he was heating up right before the injury. Now there is the concern about injury as well that may impact the market.
Fever- At this point it seems like they need to do something memorable as they are really going to upset the fan base if they are rumored to be in on everyone and get no one. I think Bregman could be a solid component of building a contender if it is a reasonable contract, but if that is the only move we are going to be worse off than last year when we still had Devers.
I was really expecting them to go all in on Alonso, who would have guessed they would be outbid by the Orioles. You got to give them credit for making a big move.
@wadeboggs – Kremer was on his way to the minors, he pitched that poorly over the first couple months of the season in ’25. He was real bad. He turned it around midseason and pitched well through August and he was winning games. I’d count on him continuing his upward arc but he is a 4/5 entering the season.
Bradish could be an ace, Rogers could be too. Kremer could be a good 3 and Young had some bright spots before giving up the big inning last season.
Wells, Young, Povich could be a decent 4/5/LR
Having Bradish healthy and pitching like an ace really takes Baltimore’s situation from a C- to a B.
Sad- If I remember correctly Bregman was a bit streaky. He exploded out of the gates, cooled way down, started to fire up again but got injured. I think there are worse players they could get, but I was hoping for either Schwarber or Alonso to bring back the days of having a masher who had the potential to win they game every time he stepped to the plate.
Uncle – Bregman was particularly bad in Late & Close situations, with just a .669 OPS. I remember several games that ended with him at the plate.
BTW – He batted .220 with a .719 OPS in the 14 games leading up to the injury.
Uncle – I took them at their word they would push all their chips in for next season now that they’ve got so much young talent in their prime. So far, not looking like they were truthful. But I’ll give them until Opening Day like I always do.
Must be thinking of someone else, I just visualized the numbers going up and down with Bregman over the course of the season. He would have some multiple hit games and then go cold.
Fever- I am not ready to give up yet. As I have said I can get impatient when things start to heat up and all of the rumored additions go somewhere else. They made some solid moves last offseason so no reason to think they won’t do it again. They made it sound like they were committed to winning, need to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Sterling Marte can be had….. probably not a bad signing, though he isn’t the fielder he had been in years past.
Still probably can hit.
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That -5 next to Cowser’s name under defense means he has been below average in CF.
You need to rethink that coaching schtick.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Orioles sign Framber Valdez.
I would say Kremer is a weak number 3, a decent number 4, or a very solid #5. Over the last 3 seasons he averaged 1.4 WAR per season. A league average starter is around 2.0 WAR I think.
Doubt it. Old poor defender and slow generally doesn’t age well. If the orioles were in better position to contend right now like the Phillies wouldn’t be that bad.
Not really. They can just take some of their Pete Alonso cash and put it towards a real need, like an ace and/or RF Kyle Tucker.
In my opinion, the Orioles would have also been better off allocating their “Alonso” cash toward those same needs.
Pitching. Tucker is overrated, ask any Cubs fan. We are still waiting for him to drive in an important run.
@Alan53:
This Cubs fan would be thrilled to have Kyle Tucker back in RF rather than some combination of Seiya Suzuki, Owen Caissie or Kevin Alcantara. The Cubs would never have broken their post season appearance drought without Tucker’s MVP caliber first half before his unfortunate and seemingly undiagnosed right hand fracture. They also traded some valuable longer term assets away in order to rent Tucker for 2025.
If Cubs fans are confident that Jed Hoyer can get Tom Ricketts to allocate his “Tucker” cash toward an ace and/or another proven bat that would be great. Few of us have confidence in that manifesting.
If you really want to know Tucker ask an Astros fan.
@Aaron Sapoznik
“They can just take some of their Pete Alonso cash and put it towards a real need, like an ace and/or RF Kyle Tucker.”
Have to consider the difficulty that teams like the Orioles have in attracting top free agents. I doubt Kyle would go there unless they paid a lot higher than the next guy. The player has to want to sign with the team. I always think of this when people knock the White Sox for whiffing on top free agents
That isn’t an issue in trades of course but there are limits to how much you can rely on that
@Aaron
Maybe this is the guy willing to accept their money.
Someone needs to do a wellness check on Mr. Met.
I saw a meme of him yesterday wearing a Dodgers cap.
Yes and no.
Not when he’s 33 – 35 and a DH with a .760 OPS making $31M. Iconic or not, his value is replaceable much more efficiently. Diaz is another story….
Stearns said don’t worry he’ll bring in ex Brewer Hoskins to replace Pete. He said he also won’t have to go more than 3 years. Supposedly Stearns sent a League wide memo out to all Players and their Agents saying if they want more than a 3 Year deal to take the Mets out of the equation. He’s now lost out on the two big Power Bats on the Market. When he said he was going to focus on Defensive upgrades this Offseason I didn’t know it would come at the sacrifice of HR’s and RBI’s (Nimmo and Pete) Stearns is really F’ing Up.
Apparently you don’t follow the os
Rogers made full year of starts in minors/majors after spring training injury. Bradish is back from tj and throwing as good as before. Same with wells. Kremer is a good #4. They could use a stud to move that line back and push others to depth or bullpen. Cowser had avg to above average grades in cf in 24 and 25(when he was playing with broken ribs).
Mountcastle is 1b depth or dh or trade bait for pitching.
Grayson wasn’t pitching a full 160 innings this year after being out a year and half. They will get a starter to replace him and ward is a lefty basher outfielder they desperately needed. Only 15 outfielders hit lefties above avg last year. None of the free agents besides tucker did so it wasn’t as shocking a trade if you dig into it.
Why will the Mets regret it?
Maybe they are in on Tucker
good call Remains. I would not be surprised if you are spot on!
Mets aren’t going to be in the playoffs for at least another 5 years. Maybe 10.
Super Duper
Emmanuel Clase wants to take that bet.
I want to take that bet.
Pete’s cash is going to Tucker….might explain the Nimmo trade, too. I wonder if the Mets will package young outfield talent to KC for pitching.
It’s too bad tbh. I hate seeing the Mets FO not treating their old guard badly. I really thought Pete proved he was worth this last season too. Farcical.
Congratulations to the O’s, though facing them with that addition won’t be a cakewalk!
*I meant treating their old guard badly.
im a mets fan. and their old guard never won anything. so i cant be mad about it. he wasn’t getting a 5 year deal from the mets or any good Team. at least he ll get to bash the yanks lol
Oh Mets fans…
Gimme the fire, ’92! That’s what I want to see.
Was told he and Counsell were in the lobby the other night plotting against the Brewers
What did your $750 mil Soto win or any other player signed to the Mets. I don’t get the “what had he won slight”. He did what he is supposed to do. hit homers and drive in runners.
The Polar Bear will be missed by the Mets, he was one of the best home grown players they have had in recent years. I really don’t understand the Mets not signing him long term last year, he gives you 30/100 every year. I don’t see them replacing that talent. I put them in 4 th place right now, we will see how the winter goes..
Knicks: The myth is the Mets have an unlimited payroll. That is wrong.
Soto did what he was suppose to do with his bat. But, at a cost so ridiculously high, it is having a rippling affect to the rest of the team. Mets had a $341M payroll last year. Its just unstainable.
Stearns had a winning team and blew it up because he thought that it was the good players he inherited that made them regress instead of the garbage he brought in. He needs to be institutionalized
Hot takes are sometimes the best takes. Agreed 95mph!
Wait, you mean Frankie Montas and Jose Siri weren’t helping?
They need a lot of higher quality pitchers, they traded away Grayson from an area of need not strength. I think Pete will do well here but the O’s need to get some arms.
That Grayson trade was a head scratcher though admittedly with Pete now Ward looks a little better in that lineup.
They did, although they are talking with the Marlins about trading for Cabrera. Mayo will most definitely be in that deal now if it works out. If they can pull that off and sign someone like Valdez, they’ll be really tough in 2026.
Os looking at 26. Needed RH power and got it. Grayson is a useless starting pitcher in 26. Hasn’t thrown an inning in almost 2 yrs.
thats no duckwalk any more…..forget about 13.5…….
…they got the scanners…
You kidding mane?
And 5/16(?) now hohum.
Guessing that no one got this one correct for the contest.
Pete Alonso and Taylor Ward in 2025 combined for 74 home runs and 6.1 in WAR. Six extra wins theoretically takes Baltimore back to 0.500 from 2025.
That shows how War can be useless at times. If you think those 2 will only add 6 wins you really need to reassess your baseball knowledge.
wingy, you just showed your lack thereof. WAR is wins above replacement, not wins.
I would rather give this contract to Alonso than Schwarber. Good move O’s!
Everybody wanting to get away from Soto and his ego.
No Holy Overpay!!!!
Polar Bear is hungry for some crab cakes mmm can’t say I blame him
Mets fans melting down on X
Wow that’s insane. Did they offer the same to Schwarber
Close to it.
5 for 150
Mixed reactions. No way is Pete worth 5/155.
Soto isn’t worth 15yrs $765m but Mets fans were loving that
Soto produced 6.2 bWAR last season. He’s living up to the contract so far. But the back end… And that’s to be expected.
Putting up with an overpaid back end of the contract is only worth it if you can get similar excess value on the front end, which is not something Soto provides with his massive contract despite how good he is, as he is merely “living up to [it]” so far.
Alonso, however, might very well provide significant excess value over at least the first year or two of his contract before he starts to decline.
In addition to his performance on the field the Mets also had an increase in attendance of 11,000 per game from 2024 to 2025. At the average face value of their tickets, that is an increase of more than $50 million in revenue. Signing Soto paid off really well for them so far.
The key words are “so far.” We’ll see what happens when he’s dragging down the team when he’s 40. At least Alonso’s new contract only lasts until he’s 35.
@Lanidrac It’s the cost of doing business – surplus value up front, deficit in the end so it balances out.
How many “value” free agents are you going to find in the market? Slim to none. If you want the best players to chase a ring, you pay for it. It’s exhausting seeing so many fans with a conditioned “losing team” mentality complaining about mega-contracts. Pay for mediocrity, expect it and pray hard that they over-achieve.
Exactly. Soto is being ~$61-62M/per for the first five years of his deal. It doesn’t drop to $46M until 2030, which will be his age 31 season. And don’t discount the mileage, as we saw with Trout those 150-160G MLB seasons from coming up at 18-19 years old vs. 80G minor league seasons all add up.
Except they paid Soto a $75M signing bonus and front-loaded the contract. That could factor into the reason the Mets just let $200M in All Star talent walk
As I said, Soto has no upfront surplus value, merely upfront fair value, so no, it doesn’t balance out.
He just turned 31 Sunday. Nearly, two years younger than Schwarber.
@Lanidrac When Soto is 40 the AAV of his contract is going to be worth much less then it is currently worth. Also a decent possibility he ll be chasing some milestones in a farewell tour at that time. That alone generates a ton of revenue.
Free agent signings are too often judged by only on field value. MLB is also a business and free agents are established players with varying degrees of name recognition. In Soto’s case his deal also makes him face of a franchise.
@YankeesBleacherCreature
This is hilarious, and only fans of big market teams can even utter such an absurdity.
So Soto is “living up to the contract so far”? Don’t you think if the back end is “to be expected” (i.e. horrendous from a performance/cost perspective) shouldn’t Soto be far EXCEEDING his contract now?
But he’s not. He’s a defensive liability, a jerk, and an overall drag on the culture of the teams he plays on. And it will slowly get worse, like the surf eroding away at the shore.
Only teams with the wherewithal to sweep mistakes under the rug cavalierly dismiss the back end of these ridiculous contracts. Teams are such suckers.
“But he’s not. He’s a defensive liability, a jerk, and an overall drag on the culture of the teams he plays on. And it will slowly get worse, like the surf eroding away at the shore”
Yes
The teams Soto has played for have an overwhelming history of falling apart
/S
The F is wrong with people?
Such an indispensable tremendous leader he was on the Padres, Yankees, and that Mets team this past year…now THERE’S a team that whose whole was greater than the sum of its parts!
Four teams before he’s 26…just gotta have the guy right?
He’s been on a World Series winning team
Been to another World Series
The Nats offered him $440 million to stay
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The Yankees offered him $760 million to stay
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Kinda seems like the teams he’s played for are successful and want him to stick around.
The problem is he is if your being generous. He lived up to it. 1 WAR is worth 8-10M. 15 years is just to lower the AAV. Then figure in luxury tax, and Kawhish secret incentives.
One WAR is not and never has been worth $8-10m.
Were all players free agents at the same time, then and only then you’d know what players are truly worth.
The “free agent” market–where those silly $$$/WAR metrics come from–is an artificial construct that causes big markets to inflate a player’s “worth” well beyond what it actually is.
No one ballplayer can walk on water, much less guarantee winning, but some sure as hell are paid like they can.
@Avory Free agents are not available at the same time that is a reality. So that said under the current reality there is a figure the market dictates every point of WAR is worth in free agency. You might not like reality, but it does not change it.
Me thinks Avory just wants to argue
Avory
“The “free agent” market–where those silly $$$/WAR metrics come from–is an artificial construct that causes big markets to inflate a player’s “worth” well beyond what it actually is.”
That’s their worth IN THIS MARKET
If every player were suddenly a free agent then we could find their with in that market
Economics 101. Supply and demand. There is a small supply of free agents at any one time. That increases their cost.
Im not sure he can live up to that contract regardless of the war. The Mets are going to Regret that contract….already tearing it down around him! They didn’t even make the playoffs with Alonso, Diaz and Nimmo….The Mets are more frustrating than the red sox and its not even close!
Look at what Soto did the first 4 months of the season..,NOTHING..when he started to hit the rest of the team Tanked…He wont opt out give him 5 more million for years 2030 to 2039..LOL
Also 10 years is a long time. 10 years ago there is no way a guy like Mike Yastemski is getting 9m, he would have been a 5m at most guy as a 2nd division starter.
And it’s all is going in ownership pockets apparently
@JuanUribeJazzHands
Oh, do the big time player agents love you!
Invoking “Economics 101” and “supply and demand” like some financial expert to justify ridiculous outlays.
The point isn’t whether or not big markets are willing to pay inflated prices, but whether anyone is worth $10m per WAR, which is absurd.
In no way is that a sustainable calculation for building a team, yet here you are invoking it as if it were reality! Never mind that constructing a team that way would require a payroll of $900m just to achieve 90 wins! $800m just to create a .500 ball club!
Get out of here with your simplistic nonsense. Only big markets can play that silly game. And that you actually respect that calculation tells me a lot about the way you must go about your household spending as well.
@Avory X amount of wins comes from players under team control. When MLB teams pay for proven talent without name recognition for both on field production and their name recognition there is a figure that can and is calculated for what that WAR is worth.
All you are doing is tryimg to word your original invalid argument again. JazzHands explanation was reality.
Lanidrac, every team knows that long term contracts will have bad years at the end. They count on the good years at the front end to balance them out. Only fans think that somehow the team needs to win every year of the contract by getting surplus value.
So far Soto has given the Mets surplus value on the field AND helped them sell $50 million more in tickets. He was 26 this season, had a 6.2 WAR season, and he has 5 more seasons before there will be any appreciative decline in his production. He could repeat his 2024 numbers once or twice in the next 4 or 5 years. That is a huge amount of surplus value before he even starts to decline. Once he starts to decline he will still have as high of WAR as Alonso had in 2025 when he turns 35 or 36 unless he has some catastrophic injury.
Alonso is 31 years old and his platform year is as a 3.4 WAR player. His decline starts now. There is no surplus value available in his deal unless he miraculously improves at age 31.
Soto earned $46.875 million in salary and put up 6.2 WAR. That alone is a $12-13 million surplus value. Add in $50 million in additional tickets sold and it’s now a mind boggling surplus value. Add in the additional money they are raking in from other ballpark and sponsorship related revenue and its even better.
Through July 31
Soto was 15th in wRC+
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You have a weird definition of “nothing”.
He’s roughly a league average player.
He would have been a decade ago, too
Avory
Your attempted insults are noted
Dollars per WAR *on the open market* is around $10 million. This is a fact
If you want to argue that this system should be changed and that player salaries should not be artificially repressed at the beginnings of their careers, I will be right there with you.
If I was starting the league from scratch, I’d have no draft and make every player a free agent from day one. I’d also have more revenue sharing to even out, well, revenue.
But IN THIS SYSTEM players on the free agent market get around $10 million per WAR
Which is, you know, or maybe you don’t, why players are so valuable before they reach free agency
“All you are doing is tryimg to word your original invalid argument again”
They just want to fight, and are a couple posts away from getting muted.
Avory, the value of WAR is calculated based on the cost of replacing that WAR with a FA.
Add up the value of all free agent contracts last offseason.
Choose the WAR you like best, bWAR or fWAR.
Add up the WAR by all those free agent players the previous season.
Divide the 2 numbers
You have the value of a point of WAR.
For the 2024-2025 offseason, buying a point of bWAR in the free agent market averaged just over $10 million.
Fantastic. You can do math.
Now try to do a reality check. It requires more complex thinking but give it a go anyway.
You’ll come away with a bit more understanding of things than having a slavish devotion to the Big Market $$$/WAR Metric that star players and their agents adore you for advocating.
What are you even talking about?
Do you agree that players earn less money prior to free agency due to an artificial restriction on their earning abilities?
Do you agree that players that have reached free agency sign for about $10 million per expected WAR?
What is the argument your are trying so hard to have?
@Avory it’s not “10MM per win”, which would lead to a 90 win team costing 900MM.
Its 10M per WAR. Which you likely know to be wins above replacement. In theory a team full of replacement level players (read: 0 WAR) goes 81-81 in a neutral park and get paid arb salaries or league minimum. In reality they probably are more like a 70 win team. Too many variables. Regardless, to go from 70 wins to 90 you need 20 WAR. So at 10MM per WAR, we’re talking a payroll of 200MM plus arb salaries and league minimums to your replacement level players.
Its not a perfect metric, but thats how it’s supposed to work. Not $$$ per win, it’s $$$ per win above what a 0 war player would offer you.
With rising payrolls, 10MM per WAR is probably a bit light.
” In theory a team full of replacement level players (read: 0 WAR) goes 81-81 ”
It’s actually 48 wins for 0 WAR. Average players are 2 WAR
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So to go from 48 wins to, for easy arithmetic, you’d need 50 wins. Or $500 million.
That’s why teams rely on pre-free agency players
The contract was only front-loaded through the signing bonus. In the final year, he’ll still be making $51M or maybe even $55M. That’s WAY too much (and will still be way too much even in 2039) for a 40-year-old player no matter the extra revenue and legacy.
“That’s WAY too much for a 40-year-old player”
I can’t believe some suckers pay like $1000 a month for a new car and then, 5 years later are paying $1000 a month for a 5 year old car! You can get a NEW car for that price!
Okay, $46M or $50M. Baseball-reference’s salary numbers are a little off. Still way too much, though.
No, only the signing bonus is front-loaded. Aside from a slight drop to $42.5M in 2027 for some reason, Soto is making about $46M every year of the contract plus certain award incentives, with the possibility that it goes up to $50M per year each year after 2029 if Soto opts out and the Mets negate the opt out.
Still, the point remains that Soto is not providing any excess value now, and his contract will only keep getting worse once he starts to decline.
Between his onfield performance which was worth more than $60 million and the additional $50 million in tickets there is a huge surplus value even if you add all the signing bonus up front. MLB doesn’t count it that way. They count it as the entire bonus divided by the number of years or $5 million per year.
Tigers, absolutely correct. The highest paid player in 2010 was Arod and he was paid $25.2 million. That would be 61st on the list of AAV today. The next highest paid position players were Manny Ramirez and Mark Teixeira at $22.5 million.
In 2040 the highest paid would be over $100 million AAV at the same level of salary inflation.
11k extra tickets being sold in Soto’s first season on the Mets is more than $50 million added to the bottom line. He was the only big addition, so that bump can be attributed in large part to signing him.
Avory, the jerk is looking you in the mirror every morning. The drag is reading your hateful comments.
Soto on the other hand put up 6.2 WAR which provides a surplus value. $50 million in additional ticket sales in his first season as a Met is in large part because of his addition to the team.
There is a reason that multiple teams offered Soto similar deals.
Juan, he was 8th among players with a qualifying number of PA in the 1st half.
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Avory, I am a little slow sometimes, so I just realized you are short bus type of special. My apologies for speaking in terms you don’t understand. I will mute you so that I won’t confuse you in the future.
He’s almost 2 years younger than sxhwarber and he can play a position.
Not very well, but yes, at least a position.
How is a guy who hits 40 home runs and drives in 120 runs every year and has a 3:45 on base percentage not worth that contract by today’s standards? I would much rather have Alonzo than the far overrated Kyle tucker, who is nothing special, just slightly above average in every aspect of the game and has a good on base percentage
“How is a guy who hits 40 home runs and drives in 120 runs every year and has a 3:45 on base percentage not worth that contract by today’s standards? ”
Alonso’s career OBP is .335. He’s been below .345 two of the last 3 years. He’s hit fewer than 40 HR 3 of the last 5 years. He’s had fewer than 120 RBI 2 of the last 3 years.
Tucker has a higher career wOBA than Alonso and plays a tougher defensive position. And is 2+ years younger
Not really. I’m not giving him 5 years. Hard to replace sure but not completely
@Rochester Its not just Alonso’s production being replaced but his presence. With that potent of a power bat coming up in lineup it has an impact on top of the order ahead of him. Still having Lindor and Soto I think they ll be able to overcome the void of Alonso’s departure.
We are
Yes and I think it’s a bad decision. You can disagree. I’m more surprise he joined a team that isn’t competitive but money talks.
Huh? Baltimore is competitive. Or are you talking about your Mets?
It’s more like the Orioles had a really bad month. Then played .500 baseball with a patchwork rotation and trade deadline sellers. Most preseason rankings had them first or second in the AL. Yes they need a couple starters(Doesn’t everyone?)
Ouch.
All about the money.
Of course it is!
Yes, thats usually the case with jobs.
Yeah, but as a fan you hope they also factor in the chance to be on a competitive team.
*just a disappointed Boston fan*
He probably did
Eh, it’s only December. Let’s check back in March for this assessment.
Didn’t Baltimore have the best record in the American League just two years ago in 2023? And didn’t they have 91 wins in 2024? How are they not a competitive team?
Orioles are a contender
Let’s see how that staff comes together first before we get too far out of hand. Who’s the Opening Day starter anyway?
It was a Red Sox fan who stated the Orioles weren’t a competitive team….they’re not the smartest fan base.
stop being a RedSox homer. Orioles were the preseason favorite to win the east last year so a healthy team and adding Alonso should make them at least a contender. Win Bregman likely leaving BoSox they are likely not going to be as good of a team.
You guys are feeling good today and for good reason. Congrats.
Happy Holidays!
Who’s your team?
Jim Palmer and Phillip Rivers have been working out together…
Alonso didnt go to AL West so makes no difference to me
Swanhenge – As it stands right now and with good health, Rogers and Bradish are a formidable 1-2. Going all in on Alonso hopefully means all in on a TOR starter.
Keep forgetting how no other team but the Orioles had injuries. I think what they were missing was depth.
I suspect it would be a guy who managed a top 10 Cy young award finish in only half a season this year , or the guy who who finished top 4 in 2023, but there’s still time to get someone else.
Haha, zing!
The Orioles had like 13 or 14 guys on the IL by the end of April, including 1/3 of our starting lineup, our #1 and #2 SPs, our top setup man, and several of our best backup options.
Yeah generally, when teams start their 7th, yes, 7th catcher of the year, they are running pretty low on depth.
Swanhenge, you really sound overly bitter. Opening Day SP, as it stands, would be Kyle Bradish or Trevor Rogers. Preferably Bradish. But there’s also three months of offseason left… and didn’t Boston finish last just two years ago? .500 in 2024? What does “contender” mean to you?
Rogers had 18 starts last season, has not finished a full season in the majors without a serious injury so far in his career, and he had not had a average or better season in the majors since 2021. A little soon to be calling him a #1 or a #2.
Bradish has had 14 starts in the last 2 seasons. If healthy he is a solid #2 starter. Maybe even a #1 on some teams.
Elias said that the Orioles budget limit was where they were last season. At the end of the season their 40 man roster payroll was at $160 million. Before signing Alonso they were at about $135 million depending on what their arbitration eligible players get. I don’t think they can sign a FA starter. They may be able to trade for one if they are willing to part with some of those top prospects and young players.
OILF- Elias never said that last year’s payroll was our limit.
In fact, Rubenstein, his boss and the owner of the franchise, said that spending could go even higher than 2025’s payroll in 2026.
My team is the White Sox but I like this move for BMore.
We Sox fans are celebrating the Draft lottery! Maybe, we will finally have a great draft.
Are you trying to say the Orioles aren’t going to be competitive. I’d take the Orioles young players over Boston’s everyday of the week and five times on sunday. Remember this team won over 200 games and the two seasons previously until last year’s injury debacle devastated them. And yes they didn’t go out and get the starting pitching but the starting pitching Market left much to be desired last year. The fact of the matter is the Orioles are going to go out and get two more starting pitchers. They will sign a 1/2 type and they will trade for a young controllable 2/3 type. Then they will probably get a mid-tier 7th inning reliever. And once they do that it’s doomsday for the rest of the American League East. The best your Red Sox can hope for its fourth place
Actually our # 1,2,3,AND 6th starters were out . And only one of them came back, rogers, and that wasn’t even until the season was two and a half months in
They were supposed to be contenders last year. Look what happened.
The depth got injured too bozo.
You can’t think the Mets have treated him particularly well given his two free agent experiences. It’s not a surprise he decided to give up on them.
Who gave up on who? If the Mets didn’t offer ….
Both free agencies the Mets have said they won’t commit long term to him even though they’re a team that throws are stupid amounts of money.
@Houston 2 It wasn’t Alonso who gave up on the Mets.
They weren’t going to four years, let alone the absurdity that is five years, at $31m per.
The O’s are buffoons. Did they really not bother neutralizing the luck in Alonso’s 2025 stats?
It’s odd how a single signing tells you you’re never going win anything with Elias, but this really is that egregious.
I don’t understand. He clearly gave up on them because they wouldn’t pay him.
Sounds like you have issues with Baltimore signing him but that has nothing to do with the point I made. He gave up on the Mets. Two times a team that throws around money wouldn’t sign him for an extended period.
JackStrawb muted me – pathetic. Jealous Boston clown. Whiner whiner. Mods should ban him.
I never thought he’d leave the Mets for some reason. Alonso will look weird in a different uniform.
He really is
He really is.
I figured he would get 4 years tops. Orioles really did what it took to sign him. Murakami to the Mets now? Tucker? Bregman? This is a very interesting domino to fall.
If Schwarber-as an older DH with a clear contract year boost in performance-gets 5 years then IDK how Alonso doesn’t considering he actually plugs in one of those 8 holes on the diamond. They are pretty darn similar hitters really. Like it’s not even close to me-Id take Alonso. That said I really wouldn’t want to have to sign either. But I can live with Pete’s contract.
When are they gonna extend Henderson?
This.
Maybe when he switches agents to someone who isn’t Scott Boras.
but pete’s represented by boras also?
Early career extensions are not the same thing as free agent contracts.
Boras loves the latter and hates the former.
Boras client who likely is not taking any discount on his way to FA. So unless they want to do 15 years 1 billion dollars- they are going to have to wait and see- maybe offer something big each ffseason to check.
Basallo was their big pre appearance splash.
Did not the Orioles sign a slugging first baseman to a long contract that didn’t pan out so well in the last 15 years or so?? Certainly they won’t run into that kind of luck again. They certainly don’t deserve it.
lol
Can you guarantee that, Chris?
“If you call me Chris one more time, Jim Rome…”
Chris Davis had ADHD and was taking Adderall and was an amazing player. As someone who suffers from adhd, dyslexia, and vertigo as well, I can tell you that I can’t function properly without my adderall. As soon as the league office said that he was no longer allowed to take it it was no longer the same player. It’s a completely different scenario
That makes Adderall a performance-enhancing drug, in Davis’ case at least.
Doesn’t matter what the reason for the decline, it happened. Make all the excuses you want, whether it’s age-related, injury or something like this, the skills went away while the money was still flowing.
By not offering beyond 3 years, the Mets effectively said they weren’t going to take that risk.
The Orioles decided otherwise, obviously. Now, they are on the clock. Time will tell who made the better choice.
He never had ADHD. A lot of players get amphetamines like this by claiming they have anxiety and other issues. He was taking Adderall illegally (without a prescription, and it is a CII drug, so that’s a big deal, so he should be in prison) when he was popped once. Then he kept taking it and got popped again, because that’s how punishment works in MLB. You have to fail twice. When he finally went to a doctor to get a medical exemption, they didn’t give him Adderall, they gave him Vyvanse instead.
Yeah, he was no longer the same player since he was no longer abusing a performance enhancing drug. Go figure.
Prison? That’s a hot take.
Vyvanse is also an Amphetamine, which he took in 2015 and hit 47 homers. He had the TUE with the Rangers and some years with the O’s, but did not have the TUE the year he hit 53 homers.
Adderall, focalin, Ritalin and all the other ADHD stimulants don’t guarantee success on the field, but they will slow down a racing mind and allow you to control your impulses.
Amphetamines were only banned 20 years ago in MLB. Do you judge Mickey Mantle, Willie Stargell, Willie Mays, Pete Rose by the same standard? Should they be in jail?
Greenies were everywhere!
@Ed Davis has ADHD, had prescriptions for his Adderall and received multiple therapeutic use exemptions from the league to take it.
You had to reapply every season. He had a TUE in 2013. He didn’t renew or was denied in 2014, took it anyway and was suspended. Fairly certain he sucked that year. Maybe he tried to play without it and found he couldn’t? Idk. He did receive the exemption for 2015. I cant find anything from later seasons.
Anyways. No prison necessary, he really did have a prescription. That alone isn’t enough to be allowed to use a drug and play in an MLB game. A-Rod had prescriptions for his PEDs from the clinic in Miami he was going to. Signed by a real doctor(ish) and everything!
Kidding aside, guys like Charlie Morton could probably legitimately get TRT scripts. I doubt MLB gives exemptions for that, prescription or otherwise.
What they really need is more pitching
Their hitting sucked last season too — mostly due to injuries — but still. They need a couple of starters too for sure.
No, they needed a real power hitter. Their pitching held it together for them last year after a really rough start. Their pitching hitting did not
they still need more pitching depth
So? This also signals to those pitchers that they’re not playing around. Take the positive and shut up.
Right around the single dumbest outlay of $155 million the O’s could have come up with.
Alonso will be out of baseball no later than Season Four of this turd of a contract.
He had an extremely lucky April, after which he was worth a pitiful 1.3 rWAR in the last five months of the season.
Neutralize for luck and Alonso is a 2-win DH masquerading as a 1Bman notorious for taking out the NL ERA leader with a bad throw from one of the game’s worst arms at 1B—bottom 8th percentile in all of OAA, FRV, Arm, and even in baserunning. .
Incredible that there are still FO buffoons swayed by HRs like swooning tween fans.
Sorry, O’s fans. When in 2026 you get the Alonso of 2023, 2024, and May-Sept 2025, PLUS age-related decline, you’ll have my sympathies.
No metric for picking balls is there? Heard he’s excellent at that which is WAY more important than OAA as a 1B
JaxkStrawb sounds like a whiner. Alonso out of baseball in four years? Lol ok.
I smell salt.
incoming coby mayo to the marlins for weathers. maybe they add prospects to get cabby
as an Os fan- i would be all for that. I think it is not a terrible deal either way.
They’re gonna trade Mayo now for sure and I betcha they try and sign another starter as well. Promising with fingers crossed
Maybe trade Mountcastle for a bag of beans and sign a pitcher. Keep Mayo.
I’d like them to but I don’t see it happening
It’s all about the money spider man
Great move for O’s
Now!!!! This is Stylish!!!!
Mets fans won’t like this. But in a year or 2 the Mets will be a perennial winner. Big fan bases get so obsessed with the back of the jersey names. Alonso is not worth $31m a year. And Diaz isn’t worth 23m a year.
lol perennial winner? Nah
Stearns has evinced nothing like the skill set as a POBO that’s required for the Mets to be a perennial winner.
Notice that the Brewers haven’t skipped a beat with $120 million payrolls, whereas with $340 million (presumably more, had he bothered to ask for it) Stearns lucked into 89 wins last season then froze, paralyzed, dumbly watching the Mets win 83 as if he was a fan in the bleachers, not the President of Baseball Operations.
The Mets struggled last year with him, the offseason isn’t over but they are definitely worse without him
What the hell are you talking about bro?
I mean it’s really simple. You gonna spend $64m to bring back the same 2 guys you just had on your team and still couldn’t win? Or you wanna spread that money over 3-4 guys to build a TEAM. Because this is a TEAM sport.
Disagree, Sugar was worth the money. His deal is only 3 years….SMH
Insane thing to say right at the beginning of a long-term rebuild, which is what this is. We saw Stearns fail in every imaginable way when the team had a core. Now that there’s nothing left, why should anyone trust him to get the rebuild right?
The Wilpon Mets are back and worse than ever.
rebuild? lol cmon
Their roster is complete garbage in every regard and they don’t have any interest in giving anyone more than three years. They’re rebuilding. They’ll probably fail but that’s what they’re doing.
@95mphslider In addition, the Mets are a very old team.
Stearns ineptitude in 2025, alone, forfeits all the good will he lucked into in 2024. It’s clear that he’s overmatched at the Deadline. The only interesting trade he’s made was Nimmo for Semien.
The Mets desperately needed Crochet, and Stearns didn’t land him.
And now despite the crying need, the only SP Stearns is interested in in FA is Michael King, who has one year of more than 105 IP??
Rebuilding teams don’t generally offer even 3-year free agent contracts.
Meanwhile, the Soto contract is probably immovable, but I haven’t seen the Mets try to trade away any of their other veteran players to signal a rebuild. It’s possible they could, but until they do, you can’t assume they’re rebuilding.
Have to wonder how Soto is feeling about his decision to go to the Mets now.
Really rich?
“The Wilpon Mets are back and worse than ever.”
Most idiotic comment here
he must have been listening to the Kay show today
Talk radio is what your father listened to. Go on the socials and you’ll see varying remarks that add up to LOLmets.
Hi @MetsSchmets!
Remember me? You knew this day would come…or you didn’t because of the whole ‘Pete will stay in NY because he loves playing there’ bit.
Don’t be too hard on posters making comments. We both know that there can be more idiotic comments made by some posters…like the aforementioned concept that Pete wouldn’t leave NY because he loves playing there idiocy.
Lol you said he was going to Tampa, like 4 seasons ago. Great call, dope.
I mean MARLINS you’re really a weirdo.
“HAH I TOLD YOU HE WOULDN’T SIGN WITH THE METS” is not a win WHEN THE METS DIDN’T OFFER HIM A CONTRACT YOU DOPE.
How is it possible you’re gloating about being WRONG?
You’re remarkably foolish
Wow, you’re completely turning the story around. Not a surprise from a guy that boasts about NY while living in California.
To address your selective amnesia.
1 – I stated that if the Rays were able to pay the money, Pete wouldn’t think twice about signing with them because that’s his hometown team. Under MLB’s structure, the Rays can’t or won’t.
2 – You stated that Pete would stay with the Mets because he loves playing in NY. I pointed out he’s a Florida guy, so it’s not likely he loves playing in NY because people from Florida tend to not like NY.
Go back to your self-pacification now…but I won’t allow you to get away with your selective amnesia after you argued incessantly that Pete would stay with the Mets because he loved playing in NY. Clearly wrong!
Capital L-M-F-A-O!!!
Congrats on learning “self-pacification”. I’m so proud of you.
I can see you use it a lot, keep going! Keep learning new things! I wish the best for you.
Either way let’s take a look at the facts: Pete loves NY, he’s said it publicly. He wasn’t offered a contract by the Mets, so you’re a lunatic if you think him signing with the Orioles is because he DOESN’T like NY.
“People from Florida don’t like NY” yeah right maybe tell your newspapers, heraldtribune.com/story/news/2025/06/23/pods-movin…
Also: appreciating NY and living in California for work can both be true at the same time.
Stearns inherited this loser core and now he’s building a team his way. Let it play out.
@Monix Stearns failed to make the postseason when any one of dozens of easy, obvious decisions would have gotten them additional wins.
The decision to try for a tweener pick in 2027 that might help the Mets a little in 2031 was the worst example of many, of Stearns’ addiction to playing for tomorrow when there was only a trivial cost to playing for today.
Leaving McLean in AAA until August 15th when the Mets lost starters 4, 5, and 6 in June despite McLean pitching like an ace all year was probably the most idiotic move by a POBO in this century. Even Cashman knew enough to bring up Cam Schlittler by July 9th when the Yankees need for a starter was far less desperate.
JackStrawb is such a coping loser. So angry and vile. Mods should ban him.
At least he contributes to the conversation once in a while.
Why are you here?
If thats the Market. Then yes they both worth it, or else these teams would not have signed them.
Have you never been swindled? Sometimes (especially with Boras’ FAs) you don’t get what you pay for.
Then that’s on the GM. Assuming top dollar and years is the only thing that matters (it isn’t, but for the time being, assume it is) then the team that signs a FA is, by definition, paying more than the average, or even the max, of all the other teams. It’s always an “overpay”. The only time you’re get swindled is when you bid against yourself, after all the other teams have dropped out. Boras is doing exactly what he’s supposed to do.
That’s a bold statement considering the holes the team has to fill.
Soto isn’t worth $51m a year especially for 15 years. Mets fans are just coping because they didn’t sign them
A player is worth what someone is willing to pay for it
When 29 teams say he’s not worth that much, and only one team says they are, I will go with the 29.
Is this going to hurt Soto not having Polar Bear hit behind him?
Did you put any thought into that or do your fingers type independently from your brain?
You think the Tampa Bay Rays could have paid him a deal like that if they wanted to?
29 teams say he’s not worth that much exactly every time a free agent gets signed.
Yes. Unless they get a similar offensive player to replace him in the order.
They didn’t even make the playoffs last year when Alonso, Diaz, Lindor, and Soto had great years. Nimmo wasn’t bad. 3/5 those guys are gone. Better hope Semien and WIlliams bounce back and you get some pitching
Great move for them. Didn’t they also trade their first baseman this last year? If so, win win for Baltimore.
How does Boston not get him? Him in Boston very scary
My guess is they wouldn’t give him the 5th year
Red Sox were throwing around “Sign Alonso to 4yr/$100M”. Of course they werent going to $155M. Thats ridiculous for a DH.
Maybe that happens down the line, but Alonso isn’t a DH yet.
Sox weren’t giving him near that number. He registered sub 4 WAR the last several years and as low as 2.6. He is neither a 30 mil a year player or worthy of 5 years.
I’m glad Sox didn’t go there.
wRC+ last 3 years 120, 121, 141. He is definitely worth that contract
Not at his age. We can come back to this post in 2 years and if O’s haven’t won by then the deal is a bust.
He’s been in the league 7 years and never had a wRC+ under 120. That’s elite any way you look at it. Sure 2 years come and find me and tell me I’m wrong I’ll eat some crow no problem
fangraphs.com/players/pete-alonso/19251/stats?posi…
I smell salt
I’m not saying he’s not a good power hitter. But he’s not overall that great of a contact hitter these days. He isn’t anything special on defense and within this contract will consume the DH spot for at least half if not more of the deal.
If that’s where his market was at, you gotta pay up. I’m just glad it wasn’t the Red Sox that made the mistake.
You’re not paying him for his defense. You’re paying him because he was 41% better than your average player on offense last year. That wRC+ was in the top 10 last season
Don’t get me wrong. I’d have loved Alonso at 3/80 – 4/95 range, with no no-trade protection and maybe incentives to increase its value.
But the only salt we will be talking about soon is the salt to use as a preservative on that spoiled deal.
I’m even seeing O’s fans saying they aren’t sure it was smart. Its good to be excited for a big upgrade, but financial realities are also a thing. It will stop them from getting other pieces they wind up needing as he ages..
Yes and you can get that player at that age for less than 31 mil a year with no trade protections. Most examples at that price tag have other tools you’re paying for. Judge. Ohtani. Soto.
If I’m throwing around that kind of money, its for a player with more than 1 tool. Defense. Speed. Contact. Etc.
No disrespect meant to the Polar Bear. He’s one of the better power bats in the game.
He isn’t anything even average on defense.
Fangraphs actually has him as worse than Casas, which is hard to do. He would have had to DH. It wasn’t as perfect a fit as people think and Romy/Casas if healthy platoon for a better OPS than Alonso.
Its really not a crisis. He’d have been nice, but not necessary.
He hit .273 with 41 doubles on top of the homeruns. RISP stats anyone? Underlying metrics? Yeah, excellent. He can pick the ball at 1B. No one talks about that.. arguably the most important defensive attribute a 1B can have. Couldn’t care less about OAA. Mets and Sox fans can cope
Fenway – dumb. O’s needed to land a top tier FA. They were, before this signing, $50M under their 2025 payroll. They have the room to pay Alonso and more. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, don’t.
If you’re an O’s fan you should be excited. I’m not saying you shouldn’t be.
But it was not the right deal for the Red Sox and I think it will age poorly. He’s a DH for 3 years at least or that amount of games. He’s a horrible defender, making everyone around the diamond worse.
A .253 career AVG including .272 last year suggests that he’s actually a rather decent contact hitter. He gets on base at a well above average rate, as well. He’s no Pujols, Votto, or Helton, but he’s also not just a one-dimensional slugger.
Most teams would love Alonso at that price. That’s elite closer money these days.
Yes, those guys are worth a lot more than Alonso, so they each got a lot more than $31M per year, and they got it for more years, to boot. Those are NOT examples of similar price tags.
Plus, as I said, Alonso does more on offense that just hit for power.
How do you think it ages is the question. You giving $155 mil for 2-3 years of elite production?
It’s very easy to spend money that’s not yours.
No one cares, Fenway. O’s needed a bonafide power threat. They got it. Your comment about being ok with $95M for one of the top bats on the market reeks of naivety. You don’t get a discount on the top hitters – and Alonso is one of those. For Baltimore, that kind of player costs extra. It’s fine. Quit crying.
Again, I don’t know why what I’m saying is being misinterpreted. If you’re an O’s fan and think you’re in a window to win, you should be excited about this move.
What I’m saying is simply for a Red Sox team that has an internal platoon that puts up similar production if they are healthy, there was no need to try to 1-up the O’s and get in a bidding war for Alonso. And I think the O’s overpaid to make sure they got their guy.
Spending that kind of money, as Breslow said, would have put the Red Sox in a position to have less options beyond Alonso and he felt (I agree) that focusing on other players and positions would leave the Red Sox in a better place.
Apparently not, because the rumor is that there wasn’t even a 4-year deal in that money range on the table.
The O’s put up a deal with no-trade protections that was probably about $50-60 million more than anyone else and at least 1 year if not 2 more years than the next offer.
The Mets didn’t even put in an official bid.
What I’m doing is literally the opposite of crying.
And yes, there are plenty of options at 1B that put up similar production for less money.
As I said several times, if you’re an O’s fan, you should be happy and excited as long as this doesn’t hinder other moves that need to be made for the O’s to be competitive in that division such as front-end starting pitching.
The market sets the price and the O’s decided to blow the market up $50-60 mil and years more than the next reported offer on the table as well as add no-trade protections that make the contract near impossible to move.
Its a bold move and we’ll see how it plays out for them. Too rich for my blood. Its easy to spend other people’s money.
They went hard on you, and you didn’t even bring up comps like Ryan Howard (-3.8 bWAR after his age 30 season) or Chris Davis (-5.8 bWAR after 30).
You frankly have no idea what other teams offered, much less that the O’s put up $50M MORE than those offers. Nor did the O’s “blow up the market” and outbid themselves. Whiny Red Sox fan, no clue whatsoever.
Realistically, Crush isn’t that relevant. He had off-field impacts to his play and was always more of a strikeout guy than Alonso is.
I don’t remember enough about Ryan Howard’s late career to care about that one.
Also, adding up bWAR for anything past age 30 is a foolish exercise. Declines, when they come, are sharp and can get drawn out, which then ignores the value carried in their early 30s. Such is free agency.
Clearly another debbie downer dripping in salt.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” -George Santayana
“Those who use that quote are afraid of their own shadow and dripping in salt” – Boggs, Wade (MLBTR)
Don’t even know if this is smart, but it’s exciting to make an actual aggressive move. Guessing Mounty or Mayo on the move.
Has to be one or the other. I’m guessing Mayo gets moved, and Mounty is gone before the end of the season.
Montcastle always caused problems for the Jays….
Oh well…
Elias should be set on position players. Now the focus needs to shift to landing 2 SPs. If he doesn’t upgrade the rotation, the other moves don’t matter much.
Sounds like they’re going for Framber.
Signing first basemen to high dollar contracts has never gone bad for the O’s in the past. This can only be a good thing!
As a Rangers fan was sad to see Davis go. He was the same all or nothing hitter, with a bit too much nothing hence the trade, but was personable and reminded me of a younger Jim Thome. And HRs exciting, especially to a kid.
Cringed when he did well there a couple of years, but thought they had overpaid him when he re-signed. Like most baseball fans had no idea what was in store though.
For competitive baseball sake hope Alonso plays well (or at least not atrocious!) through most of this contract.
To be fair, Davis’ collapse was an unreal plummet.
Perfect!! Welcome to The meat grinder ((aka) the AL East. Please ,no Chris Davis repeat thank you.
Exactly what I was thinking…Chris Davis part 2.
As a Met fan, good for Pete, organization and Stearns in particular are disasters
Absolutely awesome. Elias in the game finally! Now get a top notch starter. That would be an offseason of a top reliever, bringing back a quality veteran reliever, A big bat, a trade for a big bat, and a top of the rotation pitcher. Id call that a good offseason. Still bring back Eflin and another quality reliever. Go Os!
The winner of the offseason is very rarely the winner of the … postseason? Or should I say you don’t get a trophy or parade for winning the offseason. That’s why we play the games, right boys? Any given Sunday and stuff.
Baseball is my favorite sport and if im going to sit through 162 games id prefer we have good ballplayers
i feel bad for mets fans
YES! Risk they needed to take….now go sign Ranger and trade for Cabrera. #Orioles2026!
That’s my guess/hope too.
That’s too much. Other teams want to compete as well.
Chris Davis II
Not even CLOSE
More like Trumbo 2.0, but hopefully not.
We’ll see.
More Nelson Cruz, less Chris Davis, imo
Less Julio Cruz, more Chili Davis
Don’t think so. His BA may dip to .230-.240 range, but his power has been consistent and he remains in prime years. If those young Orioles hitters step up and hit for average as they are capable — and Rutschman rebounds — and keep the traffic moving, Alonso can help them make a lot of noise. Birds need pitching but this addition helps solidify their run production.
Terrible fallback option. O’s were on the right track with Schwarber, but Alonso? Idk, doesnt seem like his no-contact approach will age well
lol Schwarber is a contact hitter? That’s news to me…and everyone else
@bucsfan0004 Alonso’s line his last 549 PA was .253/311/485.
That’s not elite slugging and it’s a pathetic OBP. The O’s were either desperate or simply failed to do basic diligence.
Hard to believe a team like Baltimore, that has decided it’s only a mid-market club, can’t think of a better way to spend $33m a year for half a decade on Dave Kingman.
JackStrawb is a joke. 20% better than league average what, the past four years? Get over yourself. You aren’t a GM.
Schwaber is the poster child for the three outcome AB.
Turned down 7/158M 2 years ago
Earned $50.5M the past 2 years and gets 5/155M
Gamble paid off. $205M vs $158M
Congrats to Boras & Alonso
People criticize Boras, and rip him to pieces right and left, but I tell you what…the guy is damn good at his job.
In other news, welcome to the trade block Coby Mayo!
Possibly. But I think O’s might be shocked how little interest he garners. Maybe they get an interesting prospect or bullpen arm.
Mayo and Bradish for Pivetta, Peralta, and minor leaguer or two?
Pads get salary relief, a rotation arm, and their future 1b (assuming Mayo ever hits in the majors).
O’s get an ace, a reliable bullpen arm that can work multiple innings, and minor league depth.
You forgot the Padres also lose a rotation arm, so no gain, actually a step back by your comments. Sorry, but Mayo (assuming he ever hits in the majors) and 2 unnamed minor leaguers just don’t do anything for the Padres.
Frees up 25m, and they add Bradish, who would join the rotation.
PS-I didn’t forget. They could then use that 25m saving for another starter or two.
I actually think this is they type of combo trade AJ will try to work out.
He needs to first trade some prospects for a 4 with upside to 3 to fill that hole and then pull the trigger on a trade like this.
Then use the savings on a combo of 1 year 7-10 mil guys like maybe Dustin May, Merrill Kelly, Nick Martinez types.
My thoughts exactly. Plus, he still has Cronenworth, Campusano, Salas, and bp pieces to trade if the right deal comes along.
Longtime-Also, remember it was reported day before yesterday that the Pads had 20-30m in flexibility before a deal like this..which means that would give them 50-60m to use this season…which could put us in line to go after a big fish (bat or starter/starters).
There is definitely that. If Pivetta is traded and I’m not against that since he is sure to opt out if he is just close to 2025, I hope AJ has the next dominoes ready to fall.
They aren’t moving Bradish. Well, not for less then Skenes or Yamomoto…
Bradish finishes top 5 in CY Young voting in 2026.
Pivetta finished 6th in ‘25, and Bradish is coming off a UCL tear. If it’s a no Bradish, I’d take Kremer then, but the O’s would have to throw in a mid level pitching prospect if that’s the case
Preller needs to trade Nando Tatis to the Mariners for Bryce Miller, Kade Anderson, Lazaro Montes, Felnin Celestin, Logan Evans, and Cole Young.
Off to Florida with Stowers and Norby.
This is going to look a lot like the Chris Davis extension in just a couple years…
No it won’t. Alonso isn’t a strikeout machine like Chris Davis was.
Alonso’s also not a competent 1Bman, which Chris Davis was.
Do the Orioles really not understand that they just signed a 2 rWAR DH, who’s turning 31?
JackStrawb’s lack of contextual intelligence is astounding. And annoying.
Is Jack Strawb some obscure ballplayer from 1910, not familiar with this dude’s screen name.
such an original thought
Surprised he’s not a Dodger with deferred payments until 2050. This is what baseball is about. Good job spending some money O’s.
To play where? Backup 1B/DH?
Nice move Orioles. Now grab some pitching!
Certainly Stearns’ roster now… the core is gone and Jeff McNeil is surely next
That was the plan. He wants a revolving door of three-year contracts or less so our team will look different every year.
@stingray23
That’s not a plan—that’s a pathology.
I don’t know how you can call it anything else after it was proven to be a disastrously bad strategy just this year. I don’t think he’s actually incompetent, he probably had some kind of traumatic brain injury or encephalopathy that he didn’t tell cohen about before he wasted $50m on him
In Seinfeld’s words, rooting for laundry.
The Mets might really go after Bellinger now, since Pete is gone.
Exactly what I said. He makes all the sense in the world for them.
Putting together a ballclub by poaching ex-Yankees would be typical of LOLmets.
The reality sets in. This is going to hurt Mets fans more than they anticipated. Best of luck to Pete, he’ll do well in that ballpark.
Mets fans are going to be diving off the GW.
I wonder if the Orioles are going to trade Mayo, Montcastle or both now?
Tendering Mountcastle was such a strange move.
wrong bridge for Mets fans – try the Whitestone
Or any span of the Triborough Bridge.
Or the Queens-MidTown tunnel.
Aloha folks, didn’t see this coming. Do the Mets now go after both a Cody and/or Tucker along with Bregman now? Mahalo
Tucker + fill in the blank at first.. Maybe Goldschmidt/McNeil platoon at first. Not exactly Lou Gehrig, huh. Really need Tucker now. They can keep Tyrone Taylor’s glove in CF, have him move some distance toward RF and have still have improved offense and defense in the OF.
Crash 2.0
Yay! Now we can get business from the Red Sox or Mets! Also, the chances they actually sign Valdez are now lower but they still might.
Surprised and not surprised.
Cue the Red Sox’ “we were in on Alonso but it takes two to make a deal” excuse.
Chris Davis 2 or…
what’s Bergman going to go for now ? considering Kyle and Pete are off the board…
I’m gonna guess Cubs for $175 million.
Holy first base logjam!!!!
SO happy to see the O’s play in the big boy pool though, keep it up. No real fans like seeing how much the west coast and ny teams can overload their rosters.
Tucker to Mets will be next. Almost has to be. Or they could use that money on Framber. But either one will happen in the next day or two I bet.
Also, I bet they end up with Murakami to play 1B.
I said yesterday I wouldn’t want Schwarber on a 5-year deal, and I wouldn’t want Alonso on 5 years. I really wanted Pete to stay a Met, but I understand not matching the 5 years (I don’t understand not matching Diaz’s 3 years though). Big sluggers don’t age well. Sad day, but I get it. Won’t be as upset about this as I was with Diaz.
I’m not remotely bothered by Alonso to the O’s. It’s that Stearns is still the Mets POBO that’s the real drawback here.
Ah, JackStrawb is just a salty Mets fan. Makes sense.
Mets fan here and I’m not crying on my lunch. Same for Diaz. They’re both very good but neither is a generational talent like Soto. And they are replaceable. That 5 year deal won’t age very well for the Birds.
What good is a generational player like Soto on a team this bad? Outside of Lindor (who’s aging) and McLean (no track record at all) they don’t have anything. Do you really expect them to be able to build around them from scratch when they couldn’t even figure out how to win 84 games with last year’s core? You’re delusional.
Ohtani is a generational player. And does anyone remember all the winning Anaheim did when he was there? Not to mention having generational player Mike Trout at the same time.
And I would take peak Trout or Ohtani over peak Soto every single day of the week.
So you have to hope the Mets put together a better team around Soto than the Angels did for those guys.
I have my popcorn ready.
This. That said, I think the Mets will try to put a better team around him over the next few years.
I’m in the minority for Mets fans, but I’m not super upset to see Alonso go. For all the talk about the core being broken up, it wasn’t particularly successful. From 2019-2025, the Mets made the playoffs twice and broke 90 wins only once. The Mets don’t even make the playoffs in 2024 without Lindor having an MVP year. Alonso was MIA the whole year. It is somewhat ironic that he hit the series winning HR off the new Mets closer.
This is Sterns team now. I’m curious to see what he plans to do moving forward.
Ah yes, but the 15 year contract given to Soto will age well.
@Mika You’re talking about completely different level of players.
Soto is a perennial 5-7 WAR player, his worst wRC+ is 143 (as a 20 year old in 2019). The 3 years before he was a FA he had a 146, 154, and 181 wRC+. He was 26 years old at the beginning of what is considered a statistical prime for baseball players.
Alonso on the other hand is a perennial 3-4 WAR who’s best wRC+ was 144 (as a 24 year old rookie in 2019). He’s 31 as a FA and coming off of 120, 121, and 141 wRC+ over the last 3 years.
Essentially, you’d expect Soto to producing those 5-7 WAR without issue for the first 5-7 years of his contract, and was he declines, he is declining from a much loftier position skills wise, so even a few years into his decline, he’ll be hitting Alonso’s peak performance.
Bregman’s gonna f*** this all up
Another Red Sox we were in it until the end is coming shortly. They suck. Just sell the team. Highest ticket prices for a crap team.
That deal is going to age horribly… Seems very unnecessary for the O’s
Seems like they tried almost this exact deal a few years ago that ended horribly!
Salt
You mean as a preservative in years 4 & 5? Lol.
Dumb joke. Try repeating it a third time, maybe then it’ll be funny
I mean it very seriously and if you want a different response try a different comment yourself.
I don’t think the Mets were ever going to bring him back this time. Thought that since he said he was opting out of his contract.
Chris Davis all over again?
I doubt that anyone could sink to the depths that Davis did at his end. But it would be nice if Alonso worked extra hard on his D this spring.
Pretty sure if the Mets gave him this contract, it would still be LOLMets.
Watch how fast these “die hard” Met fans trash Alonso on his way out the door. Get the popcorn ready
Isn’t Camden tough for right-handed power hitters, or am I wrong? I’m not super familiar with the park, but I thought they brought walls in a couple years ago. Will this affect Pete’s numbers? Or is the park not that bad, and I’m not remembering correctly?
According to Baseball Savant, he would have hit 46 homers at Camden last year. His power will play
It was moved out, made super tough then brought back in to make it about average
Ah ok, so he’ll be fine.
What da hell a polar bear doin in Baltimore?
Trying not to get shot!
A polar bear in Baltimore would have made for an interesting side story in an episode of The Wire.
Not a Winter Meetings week to be a Mets fan!
Man, the METS must really have a toxic environment and clubhouse as has been reported by NY media. Letting a homegrown Pete go is sad for this Phillies fan who enjoyed watching him play. Great player, great guy and do not believe Mets fans on here saying he is a “bad”defender and will not age well. If your not taking care of your own, what are you doing?
Lol they took the contracts that offered more money, relax
Hi @MetsSchmets!
But but but…Pete won’t leave the Mets because he loves playing in NY!
Amazing how tunes change after reality sets in.
Mets didn’t offer him a contract. What Pete wants is irrelevant. Lmao.
Self-pacification!
Now go Nimmo yourself!
Mets in ’24-’25 offseason: “Put up or shut up, Pete.”
Pete: … bat flip …
First Diaz and now Alonso gone. And the Mets have unlimited money too. That said, I think the Orioles will regret giving Alonso this deal. He’s not worth it.
Not a huge Alonso fan, but the short-term excitement in Ballimore could be huge if their young core of hitters come through. If that happens, and Alonso is hitting dingers, those hot summer day games will be wild fun.
This Met fan will not be diving off any bridges. It’s just baseball. That said, if Stearns doesn’t make some moves, Cohen will be very conscious of the Met fan vitriol.
That said, there is a case to be made that the core culture needed to be shaken up. They had gotten very comfortable owning the clubhouse and didn’t like other voices.
Note that the Puma story came out right after Nimmo was traded. I like Pete, so this one was more of baseball decision. But McNeil needs to be next. Rip the bandaid off. Vientos as well. Ottavino was part of the “club” as well.
Peterson and Senga are not part of that.
Diaz hurts but a pitching coach change and upset he wasn’t told they were signing Williams? It was clear Stearns and DW were comfortable with DW setting up.
Ahhhh Boston….another season of Casas on the shelf, cue Romy and Abraham😭 at 1st. I can hear Craig Spend Low saying, ” we feel good with our guys”🖕
Patience dude
I know, your right but a great fit in that ball park.
Been “patient” for 7 years now and it’s just been one slap in the face after another.
31 Million per for 5 years would be a slap in the face for an aging below average defensive player and soon to be full time DH. That’s why they got rid of Devers……..
Yeah I can see how getting the kind of offensive production out of the DH spot we haven’t seen since JD Martinez in 2021 wouldn’t carry any appeal. Why go for that when you could instead watch Yoshida hit .260 with 10 home runs for the low, low price of $18 million?
Wow! A whole seven years!!!??? Poor baby.
Seven years is a long time for one of the three biggest cash cows in the sport to be unsuccessfully cosplaying as the Rays.
In those 7 years we have had to watch Mookie Betts, Raffy Devers, and Xander Bogaerts get re-homed to the NL West over financial concerns, Chris Sale get given away for nothing, and even guys like Eovaldi, Rodriguez, and Martinez walk away as free agents. Most of those guys should’ve spent the remainder of their careers in Boston, and would’ve if not for Henry being a tightwad.
They say the goal of all this is to get cheaper, and build out a more prospect-oriented roster to compete with the Dodgers. Then they go out and find absurd amounts of money to waste on guys who make no impact, and stand pat every trade deadline and every winter expecting every issue with their shoddy roster construction to be offset by good vibes and the power of friendship. Guess they missed the part where the Dodgers go out and aggressively fill every hole on their team at every opportunity.
This all would be a somewhat easier pill to swallow too if the price were commensurate with the product. But have they dropped ticket prices or the cost of NESN packages even once during all this half assery? Of course not.
The Red Sox are at or near the top of the most expensive teams for fans every single year. If they’re going to insist on pricing themselves as a premium product I am well within my rights to expect to see a premium product, and forget premium, it’s been a long time since the product has even been acceptable.
The O’s can now package some of their surplus of bats—young and not so young—for a pitcher.
Freddy Peralta, perhaps???
I’d aim for Freddy or Joe Ryan. Elias has the ammunition. If the ask proves to still be way too steep, move down the list to Cabrera, Pivetta, Pablo Lopez, Luis Castillo…?
I could see the Padres being motivated sellers on Pivetta.
Everything has value, will it be met accordingly?
It feels like Stearns has a vendetta against Mets fans. This is the first time in a long time that I question my fandom.
I’m done with them until he’s gone.
Wow, that’s an eye opener! Especially from the Ebeneezer Scrooge organization. I can say great job Elias! (and not be sarcastic)
He’s an ideal fit for the team’s current needs and I was hoping this would be the power bat they obtained. Right handed, middle of the order power bat. Protects Henderson. Solves the production questions at 1B. He’ll play 150+, Basallo can spell him at 1B.
Yes, years 4-5 might not be so great, but really this is intended to support Years 1-3 in the max competitive window before most of the young core reaches free agency. He may not fade too much either. I certainly like 5 years of Alonso versus the fade potential of the latter years of Schwarber.
Now that leaves Mountcastle and Mayo available to go toward pitching, which will help solve problem #2. Let’s hope that’s coming next.
Tucker’s camp has also got to love this. He should send a fruit basket to Alonso at least.
Mountcastle will be a dump. No one is sending us assets for him.
Shut up dude. Yeah his value is low right now but as the anonymous scouts have said, (even this offseason), he’s a classic change of scenery candidate and his bat is a chance they’d bet on. He’s sweetener in a deal.
Even if he was non-tendered, Mounty’s market was going to be only a handful of teams.
I was hoping Mountcastle could net a lower end reliever but even that’s a stretch
Reds miss out again.
Stearns needs to learn that he’s not in Milwaukee anymore. And in order to compete with all the big boys, he needs to spend money to get the best players he can. Steve Cohen has to continue to go after the top players. Otherwise, Mets will continue to be also-rans
Watch them pivot to Eugenio Suarez on a 2-year lol
Mets and Cohen getting picked clean. First it was a golden toilet.
Now the Diaz departure followed by the Polar Bear being pilfered.
It was only a matter of time once Alonso and Diaz told the press pool in the clubhouse in Miami on the final day that they were opting out.
Is that really the case? I was under the impression that it’s not uncommon for a player to opt out after a good walk year, then resign if the home team has a competitive offer. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Was he worth the $ and years? Probably not. But the overwhelming reason NYM failed in 2025 was the inability of SP not named McLean to go 5 innings and give quality starts
So happy for the polar bear fantastic player but what in absolute blue fahq are or were Mets thinking ? That’s just a huge piece ok Mets don’t want to go more than 3 years? Is he a bad guy in the clubhouse or something? You just lost 2 all stars in 24 hours I was happy to hear Stearns was going to Mets but what up what’s there plan? I know there working on deals but something big is cooking maybe a big trade with Padres?
Bold move Cotton.
Doesn’t matter. We’ll all be dead in 5 years anyways.
It’s the end of the world as we know it? And I feel fine!
Shhh, don’t tell the normies about the impending pole shift!
Mets pretty much need a a big bat CF and/or 1B and like 2 frontline starting pitchers and at least 1 above average reliever now lol
They’ll get none of those things and everyone knows it. Soto was a good value proposition for a small market guy like Stearns but no one else fits that mold.
I know the dude has absolute monster raw power, but am I the only one questioning him going to a place with an absolute cavernous left field?
It’s not a cavernous left field…
Will this be Chris Davis 2.0 in Baltimore? Davis was actually a year younger when he signed that contract than Alonso is now.
Big mistake by Boston (again).
Agreed. I think this was one move that could’ve really moved the needle for them for a couple reasons.
I am really surprised that the Mets didn’t retain him. This cost was fairly predictable and consistent with many pre-signing estimates.
You don’t know how much this hurts, coming from a Yankees guy. Other than missing a lot of HR’s and RBI’s, no big deal, right?
Bill White on Yankee Dave Kingman coming to bat in Fenway: “Kingman against the Green Monster. This just isn’t fair.” … SMACK! ball disappears…
depletion: And the Mets never won anything with Kingman either.
*Splash
@30 Parks… NOPE…. wise decision by Boston.
Did not see this coming..,.
Don’t get why Pete signed for Baltimore. That wall is the bane of right-handed hitters. Although changing the wall this year might slightly help him.
The moved the wall back in last season.
I just realized that when I was writing this comment. But it’s an interesting move from Baltimore, nevertheless.
Clofreesz: Because money talks and BS walks.
Wow, happy for their fans. He’s the anchor in the middle of the lineup they needed. Now they need to get a legit ace and they are right back in the hunt.
Stearns gonna need to use freight elevators and loading docks until he fills these glaring roster holes
Actually lol’ed. Great imagery. Scruffy raincoat with big collar, large hat, nervously checking around to make sure no one’s looking. Tosses lit cigarette on the pavement and ducks behind a skid full of Coke syrup on the freight elevator.
Congrats O’s fans, pete is a gamer and a winner, he worked really hard to become a better all around hitter and get his payday. Mets fans, idk guys y’all pay bums but not core players it’s a weird strategy
Mets fans on suicide watch right about now.
why?
Because David Stearns is employed by the team as something other than a hot dog vendor.
laswagn: Which ones? I’m certainly not.
Wow… didn’t have Alonso to Baltimore on my bingo card.
Now that’s what I’m talking about, now there’s some thunder in the lineup. This offseason is definitely a stark difference from last year.
Someone make sure Joe Benigno doesnt jump off the GW.
As in Joe “I ❤ Sexual Harassment” Benigno?
Man, I guess parents are getting crazy with kids’ names in today’s society. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen quotes around the middle name, but hey, who am I to judge……
This is going to free the Orioles to wheel and deal a lot more. This is going to be a fun off-season for the O’s.
^ 💯
Did not have him going to the Orioles at all. Thought the O’s would go for 2-3 rotation guys. Maybe they still will, just more back end guys. Interesting move and the AL East is going to be even more competitive than usual.
I have been a LOYAL fan of this team for 34 years and I promise you, I have NEVER said anything like this before. But I have ZERO interest in investing ONE dollar or even ONE minute of my time watching this team this year. I have NEVER been so disgusted.
You can’t possibly convince me there is a plan that will even remotely make up for the complete slap in the face he has given us loyal fans this offseason. This team is hot garbage and has no chance of success next year. Sorry to break it to you “Uncle Stevie” but David Stearns is bad for business and I am not going to be satisfied watching Juan Soto bat 3 times a game while you rip the heart and soul out of the fan base. Stearns has done nothing but downgrade this roster and rip our heart out. AWFUL.
Hurricane Sandy: Hyperbole much? Keep your shirt on.
I am MAD Alfred E Neuman. MAD
And I’ve been a loyal fan for 51 years. I’m not so sure why you are so disgusted. This franchise has been hot garbage more often than not. The current core that everyone is an uproar over being broken up has won over 90 games ONCE since 2019. I’d argue losing Diaz is worse than Alonso.
I’m not a Sterns fanboy, but I’m going to continue to give him the benefit of the doubt. He inherited the core and now he’s building the team he wants to put on the field. This is the year he gets judged on. It’s his team now.
Well jwt421.. I agree with you about Diaz which makes this all the more egregious, and to replace him with the failed closer from across town, whose psyche appears to have been somewhat damaged by… Pete Alonso…gives me the familiar feeling of an embarrassing dumpster fire in waiting.
Purely from a fans perspective, I love Pete and this hurts… but from a neutral perspective: We already needed more thump in this lineup, and losing Pete is creating a gaping hole in our lineup that already needed improvement. And we particularly are short on right handed power, which I’m not currently seeing any suitable replacements for that on the market.
I have to assume obviously that Stearns has a plan, but not one I believe in currently. I don’t think Bregman or Bellinger are going to post the kind of numbers at Citi Field that they will be paid for, and quite frankly I think Bellinger will be back with the Yanks anyway and I don’t see the Mets connected to Bregman at all thus far. I guess Stearns has some cards close to the vest that he’s planning on playing, but right now it just seems like we got worse because he has a stubbornly small market mentality.
Bottom line, the Mets disrespected Pete, he should have been signed years ago. And right now I feel disrespected as a fan.
Hurricane Sandy: The Mets offered him an extension in 2023 for something like $158 million, but he turned it down.
The Met should’ve offered Pete Alonso a contract his first or second year in the bigs when it was obvious he was a big time power hitter, and that’s what smart teams do. That contract offer they made a few years ago they knew would not be accepted, so I don’t really give them credit for it.
By the way, the Mets desperately need a right handed bat exactly like Pete Alonso now, and they’ve created this hole for themselves, in addition to needing to fill two outfield spots and a DH/1B. I’m wondering, is David Stearns basically giving up on this team as a World Series contender? Because it feels like we’re just getting worse, drip by drip.
It reminds me a lot of of the Yankees last year after they lost Soto, and how they were trying to convince themselves and the fan base that they would be a better team for losing Soto because they could replace him with “multiple players” and shore up the defense. I’m just not a fan of Stearns and his preoccupation with being seen as getting “the best deal” instead of the right players. He has time to prove me wrong. But I consider this is first off-season of being truly in control of what happens with this team and so far, I’m not impressed.
Just as teams seem to have gotten wise to Boras’s tactics, players and agents are already seeing through David Stearns’ shrewd tactics and his time being seen as a boy genius appears to have already faded.
So, honestly, what do you think of this move? Been a Met fan since 1966. Try watching Seaver get traded.
Yes, you longer tenured gents have seen Seaver get completely mistreated (twice!) and Straw walk and I commend you for still being here. But I have no conscious recall of a championship to go along with all of this.
Reyes, Murphy, Wheeler, deGrom, and now these guys, unceremoniously told to take a hike. It’s just strange the parallels since Alonso debuted of how much the fans love and value him, compared to how much Mets management just couldn’t wait for this guy to leave. There’s a major disconnect there. It’s weird. Why he wasn’t signed five or six years ago is an enigma to me, but it’s just par for the course for the Mets.
I’m quite happy for the Polar Bear and B’more. I feel bad for Mets fans. This I figure is a failure by a very puzzling organization.
Probably the right move to not sign Alonso to that contract
30 yrs of being a mets fan
I’m finished
Forever
Enough is enough
No you’re not
A previous stretch of bad Mets teams turned Long Island into a sea of Yankee fans. Long Island is supposed to be Mets first.
ChuckyNJ: It still is, but you can’t see that from New Jersey.
so many memories. ventura’s GS single, pratt’s HR, piazza getting a broken bat tossed in front of him, luis castillo’s drop, endy’s catch, molina’s HR, beltran’s strikeout, collapse of 07, collapse of 08, johan’s no no, wilmer gets traded, wilmer doesnt get traded, daniel ‘babe ruth’ murphy leads the ’15 pennant W, matt harvey the next nolan ryan, matt harvey the next rick ankiel, degrom wins a CY, cespedes fights a wild boar, degrom wins another CY, wilpons sell, cohen buys, franchise record for wins in 2022, immediate playoff exit in 2022, biggest FA signing of all time in 2024, barely cracking .500 in 2025, letting the best CL and best hitter in franchise history walk for absolutely no reason other than total and complete incompetence. so many highs and lows, mostly lows. enough is enough. good riddance to this cursed god forsaken circus freak show of a franchise. i loved this team, watched every game, bought every jersey, followed every inning, smiled at every achievement, cried at every disappointment. enough is f’ing enough. i hate this team more than i hate my ex wife. they are dead to me.
chandlerbing: But nobody cares. Don’t let the door hit ya where nature split ya on the way out.
Welcome to reality. We’ve been waiting for you. It’s a business. It has been a business since 1876. Cohen and Stearns are not running a charity. Cohen didn’t make $30B by losing money. I hate letting Pete walk, but those guy ran the numbers and it didn’t work out for them.
@dep
They gave manea $75’mil, montas 34mil, devin 51
Its not about running #s
Its about competence, evaluation skills, and baseball knowledge
None of which cohen or stearns possesses
End of story
Good night
chandlerbing: And none of which you have the knowledge to judge.
Well, what we can judge, fellas, is our feelings for the team. Every year, I look forward to going to games at Citi Field, and going along for the ride, but now how many fans do you honestly think are going to be excited to go watch Wilson Contreras or Christian Walker play first base next year? We all have Alonso jerseys in the closet and we want to wear them and feel some pride. I understand this site is filled with guys just like David Stearns and front office executives, but allow the fans to say their piece. We are the ones spending the money on the team after all and who is playing for the team matters to us.
Hurricane – I’m helping all my Met fan friends through this, as a Sox fan I’ve been watching this playbook for 6yrs now.
You have every right to be mad. Bores li especially playing these “smart” ivy league guys. But, the fan suffers.
Unlike what Brad Pitt says in Moneyball, you dont recreate 120+ rbi in the aggregate. Some WAR replacement platoon at 1B isn’t Pete Alonso. And, the two members of that platoon dont hit that hr in Milwaukee off Williams. Great players do great things.
There’s more pain to come, you’ll be fed lots of metrics and underlying stats. The worst part is the lying though. They tell you that you can’t believe your own eyes.
Thanks for the support Sad.Sox. The real fans get it. There’s an intangible element to sports that makes it worth watching.
Hurricane Sandy: I seriously doubt that anyone on here is not a “real fan.”
And given that the Mets didn’t have much success with these players, why don’t you do what I’m doing and reserve judgment until you see how the rest of the offseason plays out and how they perform on the field next season?
The truth is Alfred, I will of course now look forward to see what the team does this offseason. But this hurts in a special way, and I honestly think the idea that we’re better off without him is just plain hubris. Consider that at the end of this contract Pete Alonso will be 35…35!!! Not the beginning, the END! The next 5 years should involve striving for a championship with a beloved player who just so happens to be one of the best players the Mets have EVER had and cementing his legacy with us, for better or worse. In what world was it appropriate for David Stearns and Steve Cohen to not even make an attempt at bringing him back here on a 5 year deal. It is disgraceful no matter what they do this offseason, and they are now in a bigger hole than where they started. It is what it is.
Hurricane Sandy: Who said the Mets are better off without him? Nobody I have seen or heard.
But it’s obvious to me that Stearns doesn’t believe that paying $31 million a year into his mid 30s to a lumbering first baseman is a wise move, and I can’t disagree. The Cardinals made the same decision with Albert Pujols in 2011, and they survived. And Alonso is not, for example, Freddie Freeman.
It’s also obvious to me that he does have a plan, and I’m not panicking until we see how it plays out. With his track record, Stearns deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Let’s gooooo!!!
They said no Kyle no problem
Red Sox need to make a big splash before the end of the meetings…
(they won’t.)
(I hope I’m wrong.)
Happy for him that he got the most money possible. The Mets were never going to offer anything close to that. Pete was a classact Met. With that being said, this will be one of the worst contracts in all of baseball as Pete will turn into a slightly better version of overpaid Chris Davis
And you base that on what? His career >= 120 wRC+ every season? Davis didn’t have that track record when he signed his contract
@Mega Man look at his 2024 and 2023 seasons. Not the production out of a 150 million dollar first basemen
wRC+ 120 and 121 those 2 years to me that’s worth 5/150
@Mega Man look at his batting average, that matters. I know most people ignore it but it is a big factor for me. Not to mention before this year he striked out a lot in clutch situations
14th best offensive player last year. He’s an elite middle of the order thumper.
Actually he was tied for 13th with Kyle Tucker
LFGMets (Metsin7): He STRUCK out a lot…
Not too literate, are we?
I can’t wait to see how the Mets overreact and who they overpay now that he’s gone.
The love affair by the east coast media and the constant overhyping of Alonso has been and is hilarious.
The Mets dodged a bullet and this will end up being one of the worst FA signings in years. Orioles will HATE this contract within 2 years.
My guess is they trade Mayo for one (probably need to package him up) and buy one in FA
Mets will sign one of Bregman, Bellinger or Tucker within the next few days.
I sure hope so
Bregman and Tucker hopefully…
Maybe. But maybe it’s better to spread money around and look at trade market.
Mets need LF, IB, DH, pen help and possibly a starting pitcher (I disagree there…do positional and pen and let the starting staff see what they can do or sign Bassitt.
The starting staff showed what they can do and it’s absolutely horrifying, and Stearns has proven he has no bullpen strategy besides ride whatever guy isn’t giving up three runs for every one out until his arm falls off. They need more than they can conceivably get in one offseason.
Their only hope was to have a good lineup and Stearns killed that before Christmas.
My guess is Bellinger and perhaps Tucker. Before getting injured, Baty was coming into his own. They may g0 with him. I also think they are going to trade some propects for pitching.
So far Elias is doing what he said he’s going to do: wanted some thump in the lineup (Ward check, Alonso check); wanted to bolster the bullpen (Helsley check, Kittredge check); now go get a couple of SP’s and maybe one more RP and he’s all good.
deron867: After his performance last year, it’s highly debatable to say that signing Helsley bolsters anything.
He did have a bad ending to the season, but they claim he was tipping his pitches (fingers crossed)
Regardless of how this ages, this shows the rest of the market that the O’s are serious. I don’t love Alonso, but he’s an undeniable power threat and the O’s really needed a guy to be in that role as an elite power hitter for a year or two while the young blondies mature. If they lose out on the back end, oh well. Ain’t my money. And this is a great statement at the very least. Those SPs should take Mikey’s calls, he’s apparently got money to burn right now!
Baseball is flush with cash. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
Ha ha ha. You put together a compelling argument.
He just set the whole Market. Big Pete… Mets will surely regret that. I also believe Tucker and Bellinger are getting way too much attention. Either one of those guys back end of their respected contracts will age well. Just Saying. Don’t believe the hype
I basically agree. Bellinger is inconsistent and the underlying stats aren’t thrilling. Tuck has had a discouraging couple of years from a health perspective. Alonso is a tank – an Abrams tank. Heavy hitter and reliable. I’ll take it over a roll of the dice that either fails up or spends half the contract on the IL.
Everyone saying this contract will age terribly. Maybe, but give me 3 solid years being in the middle of the order and I’m thrilled. This team really needed a vet in the lineup, a righty, and most important POWER. We had no power last year, now this lineup has a very decent shot to be top 5 in baseball. Let’s get 2 starting pitchers and another bullpen arm and try to win a freaking ring!
Oh and with 10 years of inflation, this is still cheaper than Chris Davis’ deal. I really do feel like we got great value on this deal.
Not sure we can predict a top 5 this early. Lots of potentially good lineups.
I do agree with your overall assessment though. Serious power added. Lineup has upside with Cowser and Henderson. Could be a strong lineup indeed.
Based on talent, they should absolutely be in that discussion. The available pitching options this offseason was never going to give the Orioles an opportunity to have an elite pitching staff. In my opinion, you need to be elite at something to have a competitive edge. There is a path now for the Orioles.
If redsox fans haven’t noticed they’re only interested in trades. John Henry is one of the owners behind the possible lockout because he wants a cap. They wont sign any big name player in free agency until there’s a cap.
Untrue…. they just wont sign LONG TERM deals especially for guys north of 30 years old.
That is good news. Now they can use Mayo as trade bait.
And mountcastle. There’s no room with O’Neil and Basallo
It’s cool that we spent some real money in free agency, I just wish we hadn’t spent it on Pete Alonso.
Oh well, let’s go Polar Bear I guess.
Out of curiosity, why not?
Because he’s not very good and we are 100% going to regret it in a couple of years.
King — Nah man, this is a great get and we’ll be totally fine with the deal.
Even if not, this is huge protection for Gunnar that he missed last year without a Tony to hit behind him.
The Mets knew Alonso best and let him walk without even issuing him a formal contract offer despite needing an everyday 1B and having basically infinity dollars from Cohen to spend.
My expectation is that future history will vindicate them for that decision, but hopefully I’m wrong.
Wonder why they didn’t sign Alonso to a seven year deal, the way contracts are going for 1B/DH type of players another two years at $31m a year will seem like an absolute steal in 2032-2033…maybe O’s remember they’re last seven year deal for a slugging first baseman and thought five years was a safer bet…
I hate to see rotten evil people like Boras make tens of millions a year while good people live paycheck to paycheck
Don’t worry, plenty of rotten people live paycheck to paycheck, as well.
Don’t see how that statement applies
Don’t see how your statement applies
Nothing wrong with Boras
Borass is a wonderful example of all that is wrong with mankind.
Sad you can’t see that.
That is why the world is in such pathetic shape.
CM
How so?
Take me to coffee and I will fill you with facts
If you meet me in Hurghada any time in the next 7 days, it’s a deal
Since you’re not going to do that, why don’t you just type it out here
It’s called economics go back to college and study it
Quit wasting my time
Tell me why you think Boras is so terrible, quit responding to me, or get muted.
Mute me
Borass lovers
Here is more fun reading
nbcsports.com/mlb/news/scott-boras-has-a-73-page-b…
Done
The thing that sucks about mute, though, is now there’s one less person to call you out on your BS.
But, F it, can’t wait to forget that your useless self existed.
Captainmike1: Being good at what he does by making his clients top dollar makes him a great agent.
There’s nothing rotten or evil about that except in your twisted mind.
What damage has Boras caused you?
You don’t understand
You need a court college course in economics
Captainmike1: What’s a court college?
And you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Boras doesn’t cause teams to spend more money than any other agent does.
So again, what damage has he caused you?
Forget it you just don’t understand. You probably have never taken an economics course.
Captainmike1: No, I only have my BA with an Econ major and my MBA.
Did you even make it past high school? You’re a wonderful example of all that is wrong with mankind.
Borass lovers read this
nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/scott_boras_reads_from_…
Captainmike1: Obsessing over 17yo news? It’s now 2025, genius.
If the Mets don’t land Tucker or Bregman you gotta push the panic button, right?
As a Mets fan, great news.
Mountcastle to?
SS F. Lindor
1B M. Vientos
RF J. Soto
C F. Alvarez
3B B. Baty
2B M. Semien
DH R. Mauricio
LF J. Williams
CF C. Benge
Good luck!
Orrrrr,
SS Lindor
RF Soto
3B Bregman
LF Bellinger
1B Baty
CF Bader
2B Semien
C Alvarez
DH Vientos
They need someone that can hit it over the left field fence they extended for some reason. But Os do get some pop it’s a good move.
number of feet to green monster: 315
number of feet to m&t left field seats: 8,000
number of reasons not to care: 155,000,000
M&T is the NFL stadium. Camden Yards is the baseball park.
darn it you’re right i had football on the brain
They moved the fence back in, dummy. Keep up.
This is a great idea because the O’s have never signed a 1B to an albatross contract.
You mean Bogg Powell, Eddie Murray, or Raffy Palmeiro? 🤪
Amazing. Finally. Now get a few pitchers too.
Unless David sterns signs both kyle tucker and Alex bregman plus a top starter, this is very bad for the Mets line up. Soto needs solid protection . I can’t imagine Soto is happy right now. Alonso got his money but he will also need solid protection so I don’t think the orioles are done
The two teams I’m closest to (following demise of the Expos) are the Toronto Blue Jays (having spent many chilly Aprils in old CNE Stadium when I was teaching in Toronto) and the Mets who I followed from their arrival through the years of struggle and their World Series wins (especially 1986!).
I’m still digesting the impact of the losses of Diaz and Alonso.
But I do believe both departees will have a significant impact in their new homes. The AL East will see some standings changes and the Dodgers will be healthier after their starter leaves.
I enjoy reading the comments of others here because they offer some geographically diverse insights.
My mind still being made up, but the movement of these two dominos will trigger others to move more quickly, I believe…
Mr. Stearns had better build a winner, and soon. Those $25 beers aren’t getting sold with garbage on the field. I can see trading Nimmo from a baseball standpoint. I can even see letting Diaz walk if you can get Suarez, or another big arm in the pen. But Pete’s production is going to be very difficult to replace. And you’re not doing it with 1 player. At any rate, Thank you Edwin, Pete, and Brandon for all the memories, and all the luck in the world going forward.
LolMets
Massive overpay.
O’s will have the fewest sacrifice bunts, most GIDPs, and most solo home runs in 2026.
And win 100 games!
Mets clearly didn’t want Alonso. It’s interesting to see the core jumpship.
Horrible contract. Im assuming it had to be an overpay to get him to come to baltimore. But this will not age well. Nor does itmake sense to have tendered a contact to mountcastle if you were determined to add a 1b/dh to mix. They writing is on the wall for mayo, hes being traded or stuck in AAA. This just feels like a desperation signing. We needed a big bat, but it needed to be in the outfield.
Obviously they didn’t expect Alonso to sign. Don’t have a problem with a backup plan. Mounty can go now.
I’m thinking you move people around whatever big bat you can get.
Was there an Oriole that hit over 20 HR last year? So there should be plenty of room for 2 guys that did.
Rejoice man, Baltimore hasn’t had a move like this in decades…enjoy it please.
Worry about contracts less (especially since the Orioles have a Great balance sheet and clean ledgers) and enjoy an Orioles ownership group that’s spending money. That has truly been decades.
No more Confederate money in Baltimore!!
Did not think the O’s would go down this road again after dealing with Chris Davis ⚾
Deals for Bogg Powell, Eddie Murray, and Raffy Palmeiro worked out better. So the organization is batting .750 on 1B contracts going into Pete’s. We good.
Maybe im missing something, but I dont understand locking 30+ DH’s into 5 year deals. This could be a really bad deal if Rubinstein isnt willing to run huge payrolls in 2-3 years as their young guys get expensive/become FA’s and Alonso is declining.
Not a dh
I understand he can stand at 1B, but he is even less valuable if they are playin him there. Alonso put up -8 frv last year, and -7 in 24.
He gets the balls he gets to. Excellent at scoping throws. Metrics don’t like him but mlb teams are fine with him at 1b.
Could a team live with him there? Sure, but the defensive aspect of his game is taking away from his value by every public defensive metric, and you have no way of knowing MLB teams internal valuation of that.
Mets could have gotten him for $140-145 million for 5 years last year, and would only have 4 years left, they played it cute trying to lower his price and got burnt
They didn’t play it cute, Stearns never had any interest in signing him this offseason no matter the terms. Last year no one wanted him.
Crazy how Pete Alonso got 5mil more than Schwarber.
Why? Alonso is two years younger and has been a better player apart from 2025.
He’s not better than Schwarber and he’s a major liability in the field. He’s never been better than Schwarber
He’s an average 1b. Schwarber is a below average LF. Also, for his career, Alonso has 3.7 WAR per 162 games. Schwarber is 2.5, Schwarber was better in 2025, but I doubt he’ll hit 56 HRs again.
Actually Schwarber wasn’t ever that bad in the OF
He wasn’t that bad in the OF he was horrible
Pete Alonso is not a major liability in the field. He saves his infielders errors. He just doesn’t have great range, and makes questionable throws on occasion.
He wasn’t even horrible. He had 2 missed plays in the 2015 nlcs vs the Mets and suddenly he’s horrible. He was an average OFer. Also led the league with OF assists not too long ago. That’s gotta count for something.
So what do the Mets do now? Nothing short of 2 of 3, Bregman, Bellinger, Tucker!
If that doesn’t happen then Mets are in rebuilding mode
Wow. Good for the Orioles. I expect they will be open for business on the trade side now as Alonso makes Mayo and Mountcastle redundant.
This is a move Breslow should have made. I’d like to see the Sox not leave Orlando empty handed but it’s looking like they will
red sox will now trade pitching for mayo
Needless to say but NY sports radio is popping off right now.
NY sports radio is so 20th century. Go on the socials and all you’ll see adds up to LOLmets.
This probably pushes Kyle Tucker’s market to 10 years $350m
Mets may be searching for a new GM soon. Give all that money to Soto and can’t build around him.
That’s too much but I’m happy for him. Gonna miss you man
Congrats Orioles fans! Love this pickup for them
I would have taken Alonso on Yankees if they can unload Stanton. He has 2 years left and less money than some players now are getting
Yankees were never going to sign Alonso because they’ll have Ben Rice for 1B/DH. And Stanton can’t be moved without the Yankees eating all of his contract.
5 years on a player with Alonsos profile will end terribly, but he’ll be money those first couple seasons
Could end up being a Nelson Cruz type of guy too that maintains his HR numbers till his 40’s. Pete profiles that way too.
Pete (probably) isn’t roiding like Nellie was.
Zoiks man. You really don’t like this signing, huh. Nellie using roids…dark take.
Maybe if you don’t like the player, you like the fact the Orioles ponied-up for a top free agent for the first time since…Miguel Tejada?!
I mean, Pete has played for 7 years and missed a total of 20 something games. He plays 162 like Adam Jones or Cal, this is the Orioles way, and I love that Pete fits that mold.
Anyway, I’m a fan of Pete’s and the ownership/FO actually playing in Free Agency. I’d grown so numb from years of hearing how close the Orioles were for so many guys; from Moose and Mark Teaxira to Fowler and Corbin Burns. The list of ‘almost got the free agent, came in second place for the FA’ was getting insane.
Probably as excited the Orioles are legit big game fishing as I am about the catch.
How is it a “dark take?” He literally got popped for using roids and he enjoyed the same wildly unusual “way better in his late 30s than his late 20s” aging curve that Barry Bonds did.
As for the signing itself, sure, it’s definitely cool to see the team spend some big bucks for the first time in awhile, I just think we made a very poor choice in who to spend it on.
I know Nellie got popped for PED’s and served a 50 game suspension, when he was still with the Rangers. He never failed another test and his post-Rangers career was even better.
I know that us modern era fans are so tainted by the PED stuff that we forget that before PEDs there were players that performed in and through thier 30’s at elite levels.
Frank Robinson was an ‘old 30’ when joined the Orioles.
…besides, when the Orioles sign Kyle Tucker next week… 😊
PEDs will always outpace MLB’s ability to detect them.
It will never happen, but I would definitely be very interested to see the test results for his late 2010s samples with 2025 detection technology.
Chris Davis Part 2 coming
Win for Boras, Win for Alonso, win for certain other FA out there, since this is a large price for him. Win for Orioles? If they add him to their young core and the are WS competitive each year….maybe, but it is a hefty price. Question for future CBA negotiators….O’s are not a huge market team, Alonso not a real star, the market just priced him at $30+M per year. Why do you need a salary cap when Owners are willing to spend like this–for this player. These are big boys, they can make their own choices..
“Question for future CBA negotiators….O’s are not a huge market team, Alonso not a real star, the market just priced him at $30+M per year. Why do you need a salary cap when Owners are willing to spend like this–for this player?”
ANSWER: Because numerous small market teams and owners are being priced out..
The sport doesn’t allow one team to put 10 men on the field or use aluminum bats; why allow one team to spend 3-5X what other teams can? And yes, I said “can”. Most teams can NOT compete with the revenue stream or deep pockets of the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees, so why bother?
Creating a (more) fair playing field should be what MLB strives for in the next CBA. Every team should succeed or fail on their own merits, without a built in advantage.
“Without a built in advantage” means, in practice, that a player should play for what a small-market team would be willing to pay.. That’s not the way the real world acts, in most cases. I don’t have a problem with a system that equalizes better, but to ask the players to allow the lower revenue teams to set all prices is similar to asking a skilled experienced surgeon to take the fee that a recent med school grad.would charge Our society pays for talent.
Alonso is not a real star… weird take
He’s not in the top-most strata. That doesn’t make him a bad player. He has 23.3 BWAR for his career, avg 3.7 for 162 games. That’s a good player—but not elite
Alonso big star. Played in NY won hr derby. Very famous for baseball player. Much bigger star than his baseball talent. I expect Baltimore attendance to increase.
Everyone keeps saying this will age horribly. That’s true of almost *every* FA deal. That’s simply the cost of doing business.
Also, everyone keeps comparing this to Davis, but Palmeiro is a much better comp. He was a 29 year old big name FA when the orioles signed him to a five year deal in 1994.
Overpay. This contract will not age well, and could go south quickly.
O’s have to overpay. What top tier FA is going to choose Baltimore as a city to call home, on a team that had an embarrassingly bad season, over some California team or large market perennial winner? There’s an outsized cost to attract talent in FA for a team like Baltimore. They can’t promise what LAD and NYY can.
Rolling that tired Mets core out there again and again for the umpteenth time was a Sisyphean task. This is a positive for both the Mets & O’s (even if an overpay).
Yeah, Nimmo and Alonso were the problem. It had nothing to do with the complete and total lack of pitching that was obvious from day one. Can’t wait for all the doubters to be proven wrong when they see how much better Semien, Ryan Mountcastle, and some prospects that are guaranteed to work out (because they have such a strong track record of player development) are
If the Os knew they were going to spend some money on a corner infielder, they could have traded Mayo last summer for Crochet. Boo hoo.
You’re seriously still mad about that?
Me? Absolutely not, the Sox (and the Sox) made a terrific trade for both sides. I love Teel, and think Braden Montgomery could end up being an all star. Im just pointing out that Elias clearly has no long term plan. Mayo was an old example, but of course Mountcastle is the obvious recent bizarre decision.
Here we go!!!
Welcome to Baltimore Pete Alonzo!!!
Let’s frickin go!!
Get Hoskins on the phone!
Mets need starting pitching, relief pitching, cf 1b and therapy for the fans when the new closer takes the mound 70-92 season incoming
Good on the Orioles ownership for spending. Hopefully you get at least three great seasons out of Pete and helps with the current win now window.
Mets are letting guys go from their core, it’ll be interesting to see what Stearns does now.
The only thing Mets fans want to see Stearns do is resign, get fired, or get sent on a plane to Eswatini (my personal favorite)
This seems like a reactionary signing by the O’s to get something. 5 years doesn’t seem too bad so concerns about massive drop off won’t be most likely until the 3rd or 4th year of the contract. Should be a good first 2 years, though…
If by “something” you mean the # 6 FA in MLB.com’s rankings, sure
@WadeBoggs
What does it matter? MLB.com can rank anything they want. They could rank the lunch they had the past 10 days, it means nothing.
Same could be said for your opinion 🙂 a Top-10 FA isn’t table scraps
@WadeBoggs
Soto was the #1 last year and he really didn’t help them get to the playoffs. You can sign all the top FAs and it’s still not guaranteed you’ll win.
cohen: i’m willing to spend a gazliion dollars. whatever it takes to win
stearns: i want everyone to know i’m so smart i don’t need a huge budget to win
Cohen: I just lost 350. Nothing over 3 years.
Stearns: Sure. Makes sense.
I like the signing but I am confused. Will they just eat Mountcastle’s salary? He is not tradable and he has no place on the roster now.
With Alonso they spent every penny they said they had to spend and a few more. Are they done with FA signings?
Are they done? No, not even close.
The new billionaire ownership group is in flex mode with their new purchase.
Blank slate of payroll, and rich people with a new toy…
This off-season will be the biggest in Orioles history. Book it. 😉
Mountcastle has some value, but not much more Than a OK reliver
Where are the people that have been trying to say that Alonso would not get 5 years or $30 million AAV?
Oh Pads Fan. Probably getting on with their lives. Like normal people.
Well done though. You are awesome.
Where are you saying he was?
Here! Stupidest signing the Orioles have made since Chris Davis.
I actually really love this for the Orioles. They needed proven production over hopes and dreams. Maybe this will take some of the pressure off the younger guys. They probably need to trade from their glut of young talent, though. Don’t want that talent to rot.
Orioles got the wish dot com version of Mike Elias from Houston.
I’m just surprised that the Mets didn’t even offer a contract. I get that they didn’t want to match the years or the price, but at least show that you were interested.
This from an outsiders POV.
Alonso was never going to accept a new contract from the Mets once he announced he was opting out.
I’m sure they did offer something
Awesome news for the Orioles, bad news for the Red Sox, and a massive gut-punch for the Mets.
Mets to now offer the most years to sign Bellinger – BOOK IT!
They need a righty bat
Perfect spot for big Pete
It has been pretty obvious for a while that Pete was not coming back to the Mets. Probably best for both him and the Mets. I’d love to see them get Murakami because Vientos is not the answer. Stearns still has time to put a decent team together but he’s going to have to get creative. There are a lot of unhappy Mets fans out there today.
As for Baltimore they are getting a steady power bat. I don’t think his value will collapse like Chris Davis at the end of his contract but they are going to need to move him off 1st base sooner than later.
Cherrington blew it again
Coby Mayo to Pittsburgh for Thomas Harrington and Darrell Morel.
I hate to cough up Harrington, but his spot can be filled by Burrows, Ashcraft, and Barco. Pirates can’t afford to lose Keller because he and Skenes eats innings. While the rest of the rotation well go 5 innings per game, having 2 guys to go 6-7 innings will help keep that bullpen healthier. Losing Keller, the bullpen will be relied on greatly. Jared Jones will be returning from innings and will be on a pitch count. Chandler is young and won’t be allowed to go 7 innings until he is proven he can handle the workload consistency. No other pitcher currently with the Pirates (outside of Skenes and Keller) who can pitch into the 6th or 7th inning. That is the facts.
Who objects? Harrington is a nice accommodation with Morel to fill in “the gaps”. Mayo has 285 ABs in the majors with 11 HRs and .215 BA. It’s a small sample size and he does hold some value since he has potential and still controllable. Thoughts?
Skenes pitches 5 IP a lot, so you still need another arm.
I’d rather use the stockpile for someone a little bit more seasoned.
Honestly would rather just lowball for Mountcastle, and see if you get lucky that he rebounds.
Mayo can play both corner INF positions. Pirates have a need for 3B (low grades there in small sample size). Mountcastle is more of a 1B/DH and the Pirates still have Horwitz still there.
Mayo looked bad ar 3rd
Baltimore. Harrington is a back end starter at best. Could easily be nothing.
Mayo is almost certainly getting traded for pitching now, but it will be for someone established like Edward Cabrera, Freddy Peralta, or Pablo Lopez, not the Pirates’ 4th or 5th best pitching prospect and an 18 year old lottery ticket.
Pirates could of had mayo 2 years ago st the trade deadline. Mayo fir bednar. Cherrington turned it down. For Harrington and a low tier player, yea I’d make this deal.
Polar Bears love crab cakes and they hate pizza. Welcome to Bawlmer Oreos, hon.
rumored to being offered 3 yrs MAX, with maybe another team willing to go 4yrs if they really wanted him. Orioles said “hold my beer”.
As A Jay’s fan I don’t like this. The O’s struggled at hitting Homeruns and now have one of the best in the game. Good move by them.
lol Mets
The O’s added 60+ HR so far from 2 guys this off-season.
I can see a deal for Cabrera from Miami happening very soon. The Marlins did well on the Stowers and Norby trade and could go that same route by adding say Mayo and Cowser and a young arm for Cabrera. That deal would also free up more money to spend on one of the TOR starters.
Cabrera and a lot more going back for those two plus pitching
Cowser is the everyday CF, he isn’t getting traded.
This isn’t the Mariners?
While they desperately need pitching help, he is a great fit for the Orioles.
Orioles apparently wanted Chris Davis to have a partner in bad deferred contracts.
No deferred money.
Orioles also had 30+ year old Eddie Murray and Raffy Palmeiro.
Nelson Cruz power hit his way to 40 years old.
You just don’t know.
Even if it is a bad deal, bad deals get moved.
For one thing there is no deferred money, and it is for 1/2 the length of Davis’s contract. Add to that Alonso has made 5 AS teams in the 6 full seasons he has played and was an MVP candidate 4 times over that stretch and played 152 games or more in every full season he has been in MLB while Davis had one AS appearance and one MVP level season and 3 years of 150+ games played his entire 13yr career. Other than both playing 1st base there is next to no comparison.
There will be deferred money. Wait until year 4 of the contract. They’ll negotiate a buyout.
Lol Mets,
They are now paying Juan Soto to walk 150 times.
Do I care if it’s a walk or a hit?
You do not
AL East gonna be a Beast again
So…
$30M is the new $20M?
O’s definitely hoping for more Boog Powell then Chris Davis. However even the really good and wonderfully named Boog was done after age 33.
I’m squinting and cannot see how this can work out well. I think Alonso is a prime candidate to crash and burn soon. We’ve seen more athletic 1B decline quickly recently like Walker and Goldy and unless you get a Freddie, 1B turn 33-34 and that is pretty much it for the production.
I hope polar bear defies my prediction and the aging curve, but I doubt it.
Let’s ask the real question…what jersey number will he wear??!!?!
The mets definitely need to do some more.
Fangraphs depth charts projection has
Alonso 2.6 war
Diaz. 1.7 war
That is 4.3 war lost
On the plus side they get
Williams 1.1 war
That means so far they are minus 3 wins vs last years team.
On the open market 3 wins are about 25-30 mil per year or so so either a big signing or 2-3 smaller ones or a big trade.
With Díaz and Alonso leaving, the Mets can go from a -3.2 WAR deficit to a +15.0 WAR if they sign Valdez, Bregman, Suarez, to go along with Williams.
But don’t forget about the addition of Semien (3.3 WAR) replacing Nimmo (3.0 WAR)
Can we please give Alonso a chance and not keep mentioning Chris Davis?
Orioles, Way to go!!! Mets, 🤣
It’s more shocking that a Scott Boras client signed before February. Alonso to Baltimore is surprising too.
Signed quickly before they noticed its a massive overpay…
Oh, he is going to enjoy Camden yards
Bummer for me. Good move for Pete and Oriole fans. Orioles have a great fan base and I think they will really go for him. Extremely durable player. The batters ahead of him will see more pitches in the zone. All this chatter about LF in Camden Yards? He has opposite field HR power, just ask Devin Williams.
I’ll have to make a point to get to the O’s-Nats series so I can cheer him on.
I think Kyle Tucker just added 1500 sq ft onto his mansion. The Mets need an outfielder with a glove as well as a bat, and Tucker’s the only one who really qualifies.
C. Would be a D but I think the message of trying to really win and his star power will increase ticket sales. Not a 900 ops guy. A 1b. Not a great defensive 1b although better than many think. Seeing Walker Goldy his last few years are scary to think about.
Good for Pete Alonso and the Orioles!!
Hopefully he doesn’t turn into a pumpkin….or worse Chris Davis.
Overpaid. He will be a DH in a couple of years.
Pete Alonso was one of the greatest players ever produced by the Mets. He was their best run producer in the history of the franchise. He was the most popular player on the team and an enthusiastic Met. Failing to sign him was an indefensible mistake by Stearns. He should be following Pete and Edwin out the door.
You are a fool.
OK. Who do they acquire or promote to replace his production? This is not a rhetorical question. I’d like to know who I should keep my eyes on the TradeRumors.
The same crap was said about Jason Giambi when the Yankees signed him. It’s not about one player. Alonso is terrible at defense so the Mets get better on the infield right away. You can throw Jared Young at 1B for free or pick O’Hearn or Hoskins as Free Agents for cheap.
I am not a Mets fan but I’ve seen Alonso on enough highlights digging balls out of the dirt and stretching for outs that I can’t agree he’s terrible at defense. “Terrible” is a very strong word.
-1.8 dWAR. = Terrible.
Ryan Mountcastle, the guy Alonso is replacing in Baltimore, -.7 dWAR.
Matt Olson had. 1.0 dWAR.
Further, Alonso will never be more than a 4 WAR player. Why overpay for that?
Bring back Billy Eppler
Johdavius needs a Snickers or eight..,
no research by mlbtr writer again… mountcastle a defensively limited 1b???? He was in gold glove nominee in 24…
There aren’t five better defensive 1b in the game.
For some, seeing 1B beside a name automatically means that player is defensively limited.
He’s defensively limited in that he can ONLY play 1B/DH.
I was surprised that the Mets did not pick him up. I did not realize how consistent he is in hitting homeruns. That is a big hole to fill. On my guess track, I really thought he would return the Amazins, I guess time will tell if that was a good idea or not for the Metropolitan.
Chris Davis
Are we naming random players?
I’ll play too- Mickey Morandini!
Deep cut, ill see your Mickey Mirandini and raise you a Bob Tolan and Mike Lum
Envy is a gross look on you. Have fun fighting it out with TB for 4th
The Orioles going for the team full of softball players and set the single season record for most strikeouts again? Let’s take a look at a potential roster of starting players:
C: Adley Rutschman: I think he’s been hurt quite a bit the last two seasons, but if he can log a full season of AB, strikes out around 100 times, but also walks at a decent clip.
1B: Pete Alonso: 160-170Ks the last two seasons
2B: Jackson Holliday: 140Ks last season, first full season in the majors
3B: Jordan Westburg: 97K in the most work he’s had in the majors (416AB), doesn’t walk.
SS: Gunnar Henderson: 140-160K, but does walk from time to time.
LF: Tyler O’Neill: 160-170K’s, doesn’t walk much
CF: Colton Cowser: 170+Ks, had 128 in only 327AB last season
RF: Tyler Ward: 160-175Ks
DH: Ryan Mountcastle: 150-160Ks, allergic to walks.
This is going to be like the early to mid 2000’s Orioles where everyone could hit 20-30HR, but couldn’t walk to save their lives, had no team speed, and everybody hit about .250 with nearly 200 strikeouts. Where is the leadoff hitter? They had Gunner doing it the season before last, and Holliday did it last year.
I have to think that Mayo is probably going to be involved in a move to secure some pitching or perhaps somebody who can actually play CF that has some speed. I don’t think Mountcastle has much value with that salary and his recent track record of injuries and less than acceptable production. I think the O’s keep him and hope he has a rebound year once he’s healthy.
I just really dislike lineups that consist of nothing but free swinging sluggers that offer you nothing if they aren’t hitting homers. No speed, don’t get on base because they don’t walk, and also compromise your defense because you want their bat in the lineup.
Too bad they can’t bring back Earl Weaver to manage this bunch …”The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers.”
Never mind. Orioles look to be a little short on the first one or two anyway.
Some good analysis for sure. I don’t think Mountcastle plays much of a big role on this team personally as Rutschman and Basallo are likely to occupy that DH/Catcher spot. Beavers has some on base ability that he showcased in an admittedly smaller sample size but you’re also stuck paying O’ Neill the contract you tendered him so its difficult to say how much on base ability you get out of at least one corner in the outfield.
Cowser definitely regressed big time last year due to either injuries or just not improving, or both. Hard to say what you can get from him. Henderson had a power outage for sure last year but did swipe 30 bags. Holliday just turned 22 so I’m not sure we can write off an improvement from him. 17 homers 17 steals from him last year after a brutal intro the year prior in the bigs. I can see him being a 25 homer 25 steal guy if he improves the plate discipline and his jumps/reads when looking to swipe some bags while also not getting picked off so much.
Alonso and Ward will give you exactly what you signed them for. The x factor for me is Westburg. Can he actually stay healthy? He might not draw a lot of walks but he too brings some power potential. All in all you are correct in that there is a lack of both plate discipline in willingness to take walks and an overall lack of base stealing/running ability. The power bats and run production potential does still demand some level of respect from the opposing pitchers however.
I don’t think that is an honest opinion on the team. Henderson and Jackson have legit speed. Cowser is better fielder and has 25 steal potential(14 in 92 games) in a season where he was injured. I fully expect Bradford to make a big contribution someway before the season is over. There is more speed and walks than you might think on the roster.
Mountcastle will not be on the team. The FO thinks they can get something for him. Even if he is offered Arb. It will be so low that he won’t settle. That way if they can’t trade him. They can cut him for $0 before the season starts.
We did have the 4th most strikeouts in the mlb as ranking 24th in OBP. We were ranked 13th in steals, though around 30 of those stolen bases were from guys no longer on the squad. But as you noted, some of these guys will likely improve either through healthy seasons (Cowser) or just getting better as they mature (Holliday). All in all I think the lineup will be formidable, there may be a few growing pains for some younger guys but the talent is definitely there.
I think a small deal to send Mountcastle to the Twins makes sense,
Orioles like a certain “type”. Polar Bear certainly fits that profile
Thoughts on this from one Marlins fan point of view:
I get that Stearns feels that the team needed changes to shake things up after disappointing seasons. However, I personally feel that Pete wasn’t what was wrong with the Mets. He offers something that is not easily replaced – the power and HRs he puts up. While he was a butcher at 1B, there is a position called DH. A team can live with a DH that hits 30 HRs and drives in over 100 RBI every year. And a team can certainly live with it when you have Juan Soto batting ahead of that hitter. Again, Pete was not the problem.
I feel that Pete is one of the casualties of a team that was poorly constructed and overrated for years. Of the three recently gone Mets who had been part of the team for a few years, Alonso wasn’t the issue. The jury will be out until next year for Edwin Diaz, based on how Devin Williams performs in trying to replace him. If Williams falters, you can say that Diaz wasn’t the issue either. For me, of the three out the door (so far) Nimmo was part of the issues they had. I’ve always pointed out his flaws as a player. Seems to be a nice guy and tries hard, but smiling, being excited, and trying hard doesn’t hide the flaws that are part of the ‘little things’ that make the difference between winning and losing.
I imagine with the departures, we’ll start hearing stuff about what was going on behind the scenes with this team.
On a Marlins benefit note, it’s sure going to be nice to face Alonso in 10 less games per year now. He was pretty much Dave Kingman against us, but a lot of ‘king’ moments that overshadowed the many times when he was just a ‘man’.
Also, I don’t know what the Mets plan to do for the rest of the offseason, but if they don’t make some moves for upgrades and to replace what was lost with Alonso, as of today, they are the 4th best team in the NL East.
Once I heard BAL offered the same money to Schwarber that Philly did, I knew Alonso was going to Baltimore. It’s unfortunate to see a franchise icon leave Queens.
Rumor in Detroit is:
Scott Boras is using a FAKE birth certificate!
Initial investigative reporting indicates it all appears to be absolutely TRUE!
SNAKES ARE HATCHED FROM EGGS, NOT BORN.
Preach, brother!
I don’t think it was an overpay. The contract in 5 years for a guy with great health will probably be WAR to $ very even. Little surplus value. How he transforms the team and the perception of the organization. That will be worth every cent. Attendence and how FA perceive the team have changed.
I live in Wilmington, NC. It’s a long 400 mile drive that takes me through DC/NVA to get to games. I’m excited. Right now I’m booking hotel nights as I’ll probably double my games from last year.
No Chris Davis mention??
Given it’s the Orioles, the physical is not automatic.
Mets will be as happy 5 years from now as the Cardinals were at losing Pujols to the Angels. This deal isnt going to age well at all.
Contreras looks a bargain in comparison. 130 wRC+ hitter with plus defense for 18m and just 2 years. So obvious it probably wont happen.
Keep telling yourself that. Pete signed a 5-year deal…not a 10-year deal like Pujols.
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Sweet job Dombrowski….
In terms of durability, Pete’s a little like Robinson Cano. Obviously a very different player. Cano’s last productive season was age 34. He went down the rabbit hole of PED’s, which is kind of sad. The Mets will miss Alonso in their lineup. It’s something they can probably correct but they need to factor that into their plans. It’s barely December so there’s lots to come. Put another log into the stove for now. Alonso still plays for Nottheyankees so I will root for him. Meanwhile, the Mets have some work to do. Actually, a lot of work to do. Nose to the grindstone, Stearns!
Hes still wearing orange, its just with black instead of blue!
Chris Davis 2.0
I take it you’re a Mets fan.
you would have thought the Orioles would have learned their lesson about investing so much into a 1B only guy with the previous Chris Davis signing …. Bellinger would have been a much better signing …
Difference is that Alonso has put up numbers for years while Davis only did it for short spurts and cashed in when he was “fixed”.
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I wonder…if no other team reported was willing to go beyond 3 years..yet baltimore went 5..who were they competing with on the 5th year? ..doesnt 4 beat 3 why the need to 2 offer years more than anyone else?
Platoon at 1B. Sign Rhys Hoskins and trade for Lars Nootbar. Between the two of them they should easily combine for 30 HR and 80-90 RBIs. Not exactly Polar Bear numbers, but not too far off.
Or go after Bellinger. He can play 1B. I’m just really hoping Vientos isn’t there on opening day
Belli wants at least 5 years and if the Mets weren’t in the market for those years on their own guy, why would they with Beli?
This is a really weird signing, RH 1B is like the last thing that the Orioles needed to spend money on
We needed to add another big power bat to the lineup and 1B was the most sensible place to add one.
Alonso has significantly more thump than Mountcastle and is much more of a sure thing for 2026 than Mayo, and now we can shop either or both of them for pitching upgrades.
I can tell by that comment that you dont follow the Os.
Actually, right-handed power was one of the MOST important things the Orioles have needed for the last several years. The lineup has been extremely left-handed, and they’ve been easy to matchup LHPs in the playoffs, which was a big part of them getting shut down on the biggest stages. a lot of random no name LHPs have had career games against the Os during this period.
This is why you manipulate service time. If the Mets did that they would not have been forced to burn the QO card last offseason and could have netted a draft pick for losing Pete. Or maybe it means his market gets screwed this offseason and the Mets get him on a one-year deal for 2026.
I can’t wait to buy my Pete Alonso Orioles City Connect jersey!
I saw every at bat from Plumpy. He saw more fastballs due to having Lindor and Soto stealing 69 bases in front of him. I saw him get jammed, strike out or hit into a double more times than him driving them in. I saw a guy who hit .462 with 13 home runs and 30 RBI’s in 11 blowouts where the Mets won by more than 5 runs. That’s 34% of his home runs and 24% of his RBI’s in 11 games. I saw a guy who hit a home run in 33 games and batted over .400 with 80 Rbi’s in those games, and hit .230 with 46 RBI’s in the other 129 games. Let’s see how you feel when Plumpy bats .178. 28-156, with 5 homers and 18 RBI’s in a 40 game stretch like he did for the Mets from June 10th to the end of July, when the team collapse began. Let’s see how you guys react when Plumpy injures one of your pitchers by not being able to make a routing toss to the bag. I figure you guys learned your lesson with Chris Davis, who like Plumpy had 38 home runs in his age 30 season then lost it all overnight. Buyer beware. Plumpy has no guys getting on base like Lindor and Soto and few guys after him in the lineup. You’re going to see Plumpy swing at so many pitches in the dirt that you will change his name to the impotent bear. I wish you guys luck. He’s your problem now.
“.178. 28-156, with 5 homers and 18 RBI’s in a 40 game stretch like he did for the Mets from June 10th to the end of July” The Orioles 1st base position put up the least homeruns of any team and people hit below .200 there for multiple months, so that’s fine, plumpy sounds good.
Um, I didn’t realize that Lindor and Soto have played with Alonso for his entire career.
Ture. Soto wan’t there when Plumpy batted .217 in 2023.
Yep, Pete Alonso only played one MLB season in his career.
Wow talk about overpay. Some say the Cease Jays deal was an overpay (and possibly was) but this one is more so.
I like the Orioles and sure hope this doesn’t pan out like the last big first baseman contract they gave to Davis.
Quality player in Alonso but not that long a deal at 31mil per
Not only is this a bad move for the Mets but it’s a bad move for anyone who is in active need of a 1b. I don’t see how you replace him unless there is a mega deal in the works.
My top tier 1b are: Vlad, Freeman, Kurtz, Olsen
Next tier: Harper, Alonso, Naylor, Devers (assuming he sticks at 1b)
After that it’s a massive drop off in production unless I’m missing someone. Pasquantino would be the next best I suppose?
So my question to the Mets is how are you replacing his production? None of the 1b in the first 2 tiers are available so I’d rule them out to trade for.
My question to other teams like the Yankees is why didn’t you pounce. From my perspective (I don’t know how other teams are doing) I just watched the Yankees spend roughly $70 million the hot garbage that is Goldschmidt and Rizzo over the last 4 years so I can’t see how Alonso isn’t appealing.
The top contending teams in baseball have 1b answered….the Yankees and Mets have massive question marks. Maybe we should just be realistic and accept NY isn’t the baseball town we thought it was at the moment.
FanGraphs projections
1 Valddy – 5.2 fWAR
2 Kurtz – 3.9
3 Olsen – 3.4
4 Freeman – 3.2
5 Diaz – 3.1
6 Bellinger – 3.0
6 Alonso – 3.0
8 Rice – 2.8
9 Soderstrom – 2.7
10 Naylor – 2.7
fangraphs.com/projections?type=fangraphsdc&st…
Outside of Bellinger (who might be more expensive than Pete) and potentially Yandy none of those 1b are available though. That’s why I ask the question how are the Mets going to replace them and how are other teams going to find their own 1b….
In the aggregate. As always.
If I’m looking for a 1B, my choice A is William Contreras. Or is it Willson? The Cardinal one, William, I’m pretty sure.
Not to mention those WAR stats are for last season. I imagine if it was increased to the last 3 seasons we would see some change to that list.
They are projections. For next season
Okay. My bad. I assumed. Is it from zips? Either way, projections in my experience is always conservative. I bring up zips as an example because you almost cant find one that projects a better season than the season that proceeded the projection.
Yankees have Ben Rice for 1B/some C/some DH. The peanut gallery wants the Yankees to spend money they don’t have for a position that’s already filled.
Ben Rice is supposed to make me feel better about the Yankees 1b situation? He’s turning 27 years old and just completed his first MLB season. It was the 3rd time he ever hit more than 20 home runs throughout his entire baseball career including college and minors….
If this is who you are okay with at 1b than in are okay with being an average baseball team.
“Alonso’s contract contains a $12.5MM signing bonus and an $18.5MM salary in 2026, reports Jon Heyman of the New York Post. He’ll then earn $31MM per year over the next four seasons.”
No muss. No fuss.
I was surprised that the Red Sox did not go for this. With the short porch and his ability to hit homeruns, that would have been a sure power threat in their lineup.
That contract breakdown should signal that the Orioles aren’t done. Only $18.5 against the 2026 payroll. More than enough left for Framber and/or Ranger. DO IT, WAREHOUSE!!!
The signing bonus also counts against payroll.
Can you say, “Chris Davis?”
Alonso and the O’s will both regret this. Switching leagues is not as easy we think, and Pete is not a youngster. Next year might be ok, but years 2-5 will be painful for the O’s.
No. This will not be Chris Davis 2.0.
Laughable that someone compares Alonso to Chris Davis. Need to look at both careers. Davis was always a mess until he got “fixed” in Baltimore with his injectable vitamins. Alonso has always put up numbers…unless you feel his entire career way back to college and high school was PED created.
Could it be another crash Davis
Give Alonso a chance, dude.
Let’s see what your reaction will be when Plumpy injures one of your pitchers with a bad toss to first or when Plumpy throws the ball in the back of a runner coming home? Good luck bro. He’s your problem now.
The O’s need pitching not a 25 HR a yr hitter, huge overpay.
Do we really need the coda to the article saying Passan was first to report it but Heyman was first to have the structure, who cares? Readers don’t. It’s bad enough every article that says anything on this site has to list the person and the publication with the link which is usually a sentence long itself. I find it annoying.
Ironically, I thought Pete would end up with the Cubs last offseason.
Sometimes you have to mix it up a bit. The AL East is getting very interesting. What will the Jays do next?
Another terribly-written “article” by Steve Adams. “Steady as his power output has been” is NOT proper English. You can’t just leave “as” out to start the sentence because you feel like it. Correct grammar isn’t optional.
“The O’s could try to find a taker willing to buy low on him or, alternatively, hope that he can bounce back and be part of the solution between first base and designated hitter.” This sentence is awful. “Alternatively” is redundant and shouldn’t be in it. And even if it were to remain, the comma should be before “or,” not after.
And finally, there should be no comma before “too.”