The Mets and Bo Bichette reportedly have a deal in place, a three-year deal with a huge average annual value and opt-outs after each season. It seems he almost went the more traditional route. Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that the Phillies thought they were going to land Bichette with a $200MM deal over seven years until the Mets swooped in with their offer after losing Kyle Tucker to the Dodgers last night. Matt Gelb of The Athletic says the offer was between $190MM and $200MM.
The full breakdown of the offer from Philly isn’t known, so it’s hard to fully compare the two paths. For instance, the Philly offer may or may not have contained deferred money or opt-outs, which could change the perception of its value.
But the basic structure is more in line with expectations from the beginning of the offseason. Back in November, MLBTR predicted Bichette for a $208MM deal over eight years, an average annual value of $26MM. Philly’s offer, assuming no deferrals were involved, would have been a slightly lower guarantee but at a higher AAV of $28.6MM.
That kind of deal would have been in line with other deals received by All-Star middle infielders in recent years. Willy Adames, Dansby Swanson, Marcus Semien, Javier Báez and Trevor Story all received guarantees between $140MM and $182MM in recent years, on deals of either six or seven years in length.
Bichette has decided to go a different route and it’s understandable why he would. He is still quite young, only 27 years old, turning 28 in March. With this Mets deal, the specific structure hasn’t yet been reported, but it’s a $42MM average annual value. If he stays healthy and productive, he can bank more than 20% of what the Phils offered him in one year, then return to the open market in search of another long-term offer. If he has an injury-shortened season or his performance takes a downturn, he can decline his opt-out and continue earning at a high rate. Even if he plays out all three years of his deal with the Mets, he will have earned almost two thirds of the Philly offer. He’ll be going into his age-31 season and could look to make up the difference then.
He can also re-evaluate the spending environment more generally. The current collective bargaining agreement expires next winter. The industry is expecting a lockout, just as there was the last time a CBA expired, but that lockout resulted in gains for free agents. The competitive balance tax thresholds went up, which helped spur spending over the past few years. The owners are expected to push for a salary cap next winter but that’s nothing new for them. They’ve pushed for that before without the players agreeing to it, so it’s entirely possible the players make gains in the CBT area again.
Both Tucker and Bichette decided to go the short-term, high-AAV route. Usually, top free agents go out looking for the security of a long-term deal but pivot to these kinds of arrangements when they don’t find what they’re looking for. In at least Bichette’s case, it appears he didn’t have to go this way but chose to. It’s possible Tucker did as well. Jesse Rogers of ESPN reports that he had long-term offers, getting up to even ten years. No specifics have been reported on those offers but they may have come from the Blue Jays. Recent reporting has suggested they were more willing to go long-term than the Mets or Dodgers.
It’s difficult to say if this is indicative of some sort of trend from the team perspective. Ultimately, we’re talking about two data points here with Tucker and Bichette. It’s understandable why the teams would want to avoid long-term commitments. Signing a top free agent often involves offering him a longer deal than other teams are willing to do. Those later years can be painful as a player pushes into his late 30s and his production declines.
But convincing a player to go the short-term route usually means cranking up the AAV levels. The teams who can most afford to do that usually have high payrolls to begin with, and therefore high tax bills. With the Tucker deal, the Dodgers are not going only to pay him a $57.1MM AAV, factoring in deferrals. They’re also going to pay a 110% tax on that AAV, leading to a tax bill of almost $63MM. That means they’re valuing Tucker’s 2026 campaign around $120MM. Unless they dip below the top tax bracket in 2027, the same will be true for that season.
The Dodgers seemingly preferred this route due to various circumstances. They have a relatively old roster, with many of their core players in their mid-30s. They presumably know that they can’t field a successful team like that forever and need younger players to step up. Many of their top prospects are outfielders who have not yet reached Triple-A and are therefore still a bit over the horizon. Tucker’s short-term deal is therefore a perfect bridge to that next era.
For the Mets, president of baseball operations David Stearns got his job with the club already having a lot of money on the books and he seemingly has a reluctance to adding to it. Despite having access to Steve Cohen’s checkbook, he has mostly capped the club at three-year deals. An exception was made for Juan Soto‘s epic deal, though he was a special case as a free agent going into his age-26 season.
Apart from Soto, Stearns hasn’t given anyone a deal longer than three years. They reportedly stretched a bit by offering Tucker four years, though he took a very similar offer from the Dodgers. The Mets then pivoted to give a strong three-year deal to Bichette. It seems the club would rather spend more money now, both in terms of salary and taxes, in order to not bog down the long-term picture with deals for aging players. The full details of the Bichette deal with the Mets haven’t been released but the Mets will probably pay more than $40MM in annual taxes, on top of what Bichette will receive.
That’s consistent with some of their other pursuits. They swapped out the five years remaining on Brandon Nimmo‘s deal for Marcus Semien, signed for three years but at a higher rate. They seemed unwilling to go beyond three years for either Pete Alonso or Edwin Díaz, who both signed elsewhere. The Mets have also been on the lookout for starting pitching but reportedly have a preference to avoid long-term deals there as well.
It’s unclear if these kinds of preferences are going to be fairly permanent or if they’re due to current circumstances. TheMets have a decent veteran contingent on the roster but are waiting for younger guys like Nolan McLean, Jonah Tong, Brandon Sproat, Carson Benge, Jett Williams and others to form a new young core. Perhaps as those players become established at the big league level, and big-money contracts expire, the front office will be more willing to make long-term investments.
Whether or not this is a trend will surely depend on the upcoming collective bargaining agreement. The current CBA, negotiated during the 2021-22 lockout, saw the tax brackets get pushed up noticeably. That has seemingly worked out fairly well for players, as spending has stayed robust since that CBA was signed. Some teams will argue that this kind of spending is why a salary cap is necessary but they benefit from the current arrangement. Half of the tax money collected from big-spending clubs gets redistributed to other teams, alongside other revenue-sharing payments.
The players seem unlikely to agree to a salary cap regardless. They would also likely point out that a cap system would probably still see marquee free agents paid well, whereas the middle tier and lower free agents would be more likely squeezed out.
If this does turn out to be a trend, it will be notable to watch it play out in the long run. Perhaps onerous deals like those for Kris Bryant or Anthony Rendon will become less common but players who stay productive could earn far more by continually commanding premium salaries.
The Phillies were less keen on the Dodgers/Mets path. Gelb reports they were not willing to offer Bichette a short-term, high-AAV deal because of their tax situation. Like the Dodgers and Mets, they are repeat tax payors in the top CBT bracket, which means a 110% tax on additional spending. They therefore preferred to make a longer offer, signing Bichette into his mid-30s at a lower annual rate.
It seems they’ve already pivoted and spent the money that Bichette didn’t take. They reportedly have a three-year, $45MM agreement in place to bring back J.T. Realmuto. The $15MM AAV on that deal is well south of what they offered Bichette, but the Bichette deal was likely going to lead to a trade of third baseman Alec Bohm, who is going to make $10.2MM this year. The Phils will be sticking with Realmuto and Bohm for roughly the same annual price as they would have paid to Bichette.
It would have been an interesting alternate path for the Phils. A seven-year commitment would have added another long-term deal for a club that already has a number of those. But on the other hand, Bichette would have been a welcome infusion of youth. Most of the core players on the Phillies are both in their mid-30s and signed long term. Tagging in the 28-year-old Bichette would have counteracted that but he has gone a different path, leaving the Phils to stick with Realmuto and a very similar club to last year’s.
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Bo will take the $42mil this yr
Opt out
Get bigger deal next yr
Its what pete & Bregman did very successfully
He may not because of the lockout.
Owners aren’t going to lockout the players long enough to miss a significant chunk of games. They make more money on every game than the players. Especially after having one of the highest rated World Series and setting the overall attendance record. Next highest attendance record was the 1993 season. Right before the strike. If owners lockout players for significant periods it will likely kill the sport and their profits
Most have a separate source of revenue.
Even with separate revenue these guys understand you don’t stay wealthy by losing potential income.
This is probably going to end like every other recent CBA negotiation, tighter taxes and raises for minimum salaried players. Small markets get more in luxury taxes, minimum and minor league players get more pay and large market owners get the ability to spend when they see fit. Even if they have other investments, killing a profitable one doesn’t make business sense.
Oh please, the whole 2027 season is gone already. The Dodgers thing cemented it, the economics are broken, perhaps on purpose. The owners have wanted a cap for over 30 years. The Dodgers have finally given them a reason.
Which teams vote to shut down the season?
Should they cap owners profits too?
Either this year or next. He probably figures he can try for another 7 year contract in two years.
He won’t get $40m AAV next year. He’ll learn to shut up and color.
The Mets keep adding hitters. Pitching is 90 pct of the game. They aren’t a legit contender without pitching.
lol ridiculous claims
Well it’s more like 40-45% except in the playoffs where’s its probably closer to 50-55% of the game., but close enough to 90% I guess.
“Half of the game is 90% pitching.”
My guess is they assess how successful, or not, they are mid season and if they’re doing generally well they’ll make a trade for a starting pitcher
Right now they might roll with the young guys McLean tong and sproat, especially if any of manaea peterson senga or Holmes is ineffective
What arms are ever available mid season? Or ever for that matter? Trades seem so difficult, especially for premium pitching
The thing is they have plenty of pitching coming up from the minors. I believe the plan is to see what they have there. McLean, Sproat, Tong, Christian Scott all on the 40 man roster with guys like Jack Wenninger, Zach Thornton, and Jonathan Santucci potentially ready by 2027 or even late this season.
The question is should they trade from that to get a proven starter or roll the dice with the young arms?
I guess we didnt know Bo
But Bo knows.
Grant Hill drinks sprite
Grant Hill’s career went downhill after he started drinking Sprite.
Prob because he didn’t play hamlet at Cambridge
Bichette’s a nice player to be sure but as a Phillies fan I’m glad they didn’t sign him. No way he’s worth $42M a season. With his arm he will only be able to play 2B (maybe) or LF. He’s a career .806 OPS hitter who has a meh .337 OBP and is not a base stealer. The Phillies need Aiden Miller and Justin Crawford to become productive everyday players. I wish him well but no thank you.
Basically Tucker used NYM to get to LA…Bichette used Phillies to get to NYM. It’s FA as a Phillies fan I would have taken NYM deal over Philly deal all day
Yup. He can opt out next year if he wants and get an extra 5m. It’s an insane deal. 42m a year for a great hitter who can’t field. Baseball is getting crazy.
As a Phillies fan I wanted Bichette(no doubt) however he isn’t worth that kinda coin and just 2 years ago was awful and injured. I however did like his age on a Phillies team that needs younger talent. Bohm and Stott just haven’t taken next step.
He was a perfect fit for Philly despite his flaws. I don’t really think the Mets needed him. Don’t get me wrong, his bat improves the lineup, but this seems like Cohen just wanted to make headlines. Like I said, baseball is crazy.
I think it’s more the Mets didn’t need Semien. But they didn’t know how the free agency period would shake out.
Mets have drastically changed the look of their offense, getting rid of 3 long time guys and replaced them with better contact hitters.
Mets offense has always been accused of not being clutch. Bo and polanco, at least last year, were “clutch”
He would have been a typical good hit,
lousy defensive Phillies signing. If they signed him o would have put him at 2B and move Stott to 3B and trade Bohm. I don’t think he’s worth anything close to what the Mets are paying him. We better hope Painter, Miller and Crawford turn out to be instant studs. I’m still worried about Wheeler and Nola .
Honestly I think the Mets want him to opt out. You don’t put an opt out incentive into the deal if you don’t want the guy walking. If he opts out and ends up costing the Mets $47 million for one season, I think the Mets are OK with that. They have a glut of middle infield talent in the minors as it is.
I’m not sure about that. With the tax they’re essentially paying over 100M for 1 year of Bichette. If he opts out they have to pay 5m more. It’s really a terrible contract for them, but that’s what Cohen is for. Power moves and headlines. This is what fans want.
And quite honestly, I don’t even blame Cohen. I blame the Dodgers. This is baseball now. If the lockout doesn’t change things, we’re going into oil baron territory because these contracts are just stupid. And I’m lucky enough to root for one of the teams that spends.
I highly doubt Bo-zo was planning to go to the Mess unless his goal was to get paid for 1-2 seasons on the IL and produce at 70% his average. That’s what I expect as a former 35+ year Mess fan.
There aren’t many good FA next year. Bo can opt out. Make 42M+ this year. He gets another 5m for opting out. Then he gets a massive contract again next year.
Tucker and Bichette’s deals were insane.
Both were massive overpays in a very thin free agent class.
Well, those are generational players. Tucker and Bichette are not.
Correct but Soto’s contract lasts well past his prime yeats.
Vladdy is not a generational player. Same/worse stats as Tucker
He’s not one yet, but he’s likely to be one. Is Tucker going to be one?
He’s been in the league for 7 years, I think we can drop the “yet”
Both short term with opt outs. Not that bad actually.
These contracts will be the new norm for top talent, so what’s crazy now will seem reasonable in a few years
Unbelievable. A 3/126 million deal for a player who, apart from a .295 batting average and maybe 20 homers, really doesn’t bring much else to the table. He’s slow, fairly injury prone, and pretty bad defensively. Even at second base he’d probably be below average. Glad the Yankees aren’t buying into the insanity the Mets and Dodgers are pushing. The Dodgers and Mets seem determined to force a lockout…
HR’s are over rated and shouldn’t be used alone as a measuring stick. A studd like Judge does a lot more than hit homeruns, mediocre types like Santander hit homeruns but offer nothing else and aren’t very valuable to a team.
Bo simply hits. He has more than once led the league in hits. He hits a lot of doubles and he’s not slow, he had leg injuries this year. You can’t quantify it with stats, but he’s also ‘clutch’. For years, as a BJ fan I viewed Bo as their most clutch performer, the guy you want up in a big situation, not Vlad. Bo’s defense at short is poor, but he won’t be there for your team anyways, most likely going to 2b, it’s his throwing that was always the problem. He’s a good player, great gain for the Mets, huge loss for Toronto.
Jeff Kent was a .290 hitter who averaged ~25 HR and approximately the same OPS+ as Bichette. He was slow, and played below average second base. He’s a hall of famer for it.
It seems like nobody here can relate to any of my points or understand what I’m trying to say.
Welcome to the USA, the land of the stupid.
USA, population 1 in your reality?
Yankees can’t afford to keep up w dodges and Mets. That’s why they ain’t in on these dudes
Uh did you also have the same reaction with Bregman-Red Sox last year? They WAY overpaid for him…most ridiculous AAV I’ve ever seen given to that little of production and defense. You could have gotten his production from any number of rookies on almost every single club.
Super hard to root for guys with opt-out clauses, which facilitate a total lack of loyalty to teams and fans. Pretty unexciting news then.
I hear you. Hard to get invested in these guys when you know they’re gonna walk.
Opt-outs are terrible, unless you’re a player…
I get that. The Tucker deal makes sense mainly because it fits the Dodgers window and raises their floor for that time frame.
For the other teams? Not so sure.
I know almost nothing about Tucker other than what I’ve heard. So we’ll see what he brings to the table and root for the team regardless.
“LOYALTY” in BASEBALL?!? And I see your username has “LA” in it, so I assume that’s the champs with multiple highest AAV players. Loyalty goes both ways. PETE ALONSO had always said he wanted to play for the Mess forever. The wrong-choice GMVP Stearns killed that for both PETE and US FANS!
BOOOOOO STEARNS!!!!!!!!!!!
Now we get to watch Judge compile Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mantle life-time LOYALTY HOF statistics, which could have been at least somewhat achieved by PETE!
I never understood why the Mets made a real effort to keep Pete.
No one really knows where the CBA negotiations are going to end up. A gigantic payoff in year one cushions the player, who still has his options. As for the teams, they can budget around a high one-time-payment, wait to see what happens with the new CBA, and far more easily adapt to a new reality without, say, worrying about years 4,5,6, blah
If I’m Brian Cashman right now…..I’m really wondering whether it’s worth going long with Bellinger and secretly hoping he says no enough to price himself out.
I think we can guess… Remember 1994? Bobby Bonilla had the highest AAV contract at $6.3M, and the players went on strike which resulted in a long-lasting fan disillusionment. NOW these guys are making $40M, $50M, $70M AAV contracts and are going to threaten that they need MORE from US FANS? You been to a game recently? I saw 9 games this year at Boston, Mess Shiti field, & Marlins. Food was terrible (esp at Shiti Field) and way overpriced. Tickets were expensive! A family of 4 now can’t see but maybe 4 games PER SEASON with this cost-to-value! And it’s getting worse!!!!
And still most teams don’t spend even half their revenue with the players. For those who want an NBA type system.
Phillies were played like the fools that FO is.
Well said.
No they weren’t….. you’re just foolish. They would have paid him what he wanted, per reports, then he changed his mind. I think all these guys no 2027 is going to be gone and they are getting what they can this year.
You’re one of those fools getting their jollies that they’re running it back again, ain’tcha? They didn’t even meet in person, fool. They were played.
It’s not going to hurt the Phillies one bit though. My Bo-zo prediction is that he’ll play a max of about 85 games next year, bat .234 with 11 HR and 43 RBI. The Amazin’ Mess will be lucky to win a total of 72 games. The Phillies will win the East. Schwarber will hit 47 HR. Harper will drive in 134 RBI. Then Bo-zo will opt-out, get an extra $5M, and then sign a 5yr/$45M AAV contract with the Red Sox. BOOK IT!!
Seems like a Dumbrowski special for sure
God this guy has zero clue
Hey G he already re-signed the best power hitter in baseball. This isn’t going to affect the Phillies season one bit.
Those player opt could come back and bite the Mets in the Hinny; If there is any injuries limiting ability of playing time. STUPID $$
Wow, you are really upset about this.
Tried to tell Buster 8/250 would probably have got it done, but he didn’t take my calls.
“DUMBrowski will nuke the farm…The Phillies had every opportunity”…Do you mean the same “Dumbrowski” that’s taken 4(or is it five)different organizations to the World Series, winning two?
The same “DUMBrowski” that was building championship level baseball teams when you were still getting turned down and “ghosted” by High School cheerleaders?
I love how these people rip Hall of Famer Dombrowski. He’s done an amazing job with the Phillies….
Anybody else think that the sudden press by multiple teams to keep terms under 5 years even if it means astronomical AAVs is showing that MLB is posturing for a cap by 2029-2030? Possibly with pre 2026 salaries being assessed at a lower rate toward the cap as a negotiating piece so that future salaries aren’t initially suppressed? It can’t be a coincidence that so many big spenders are suddenly doing this.
“Anybody else think”…Anything is possible and I don’t minimize your theory at all,but I also think that recent MEGA contracts by Baez, Rendon and Kris Bryant also factored into the equation of teams being lengthy contract shy.
No, I think it just reflects uncertainty on both sides of the aisle.
For the player, why not take a multi-generational payday for a one or two year commitment? If you like the team, you can always extend.
From the team’s point of view, the future is murky. How will most teams distribute their games? How long will the sportsbetting cash cow last? What will they do when the rapidly aging fanbase ages out? What IF there’s a cap? Or a stiffer tax structure? What will that look like? What if cities and states actually react to all the research and stop subsidizing teams? What if large market teams have no choice but to agree to a more NFL style profit sharing regime?
I’m sure I could go on. When you’re wondering all those things, and you have cash now, and you have a quality roster, do you really want to commit to paying a guy $30MM+ in 2035?
I think it’s more a win/win for both player and team
The teams get the player in their prime without having to be hamstring for years, while the players get to make more money over time, albeit over multiple contracts
I’d rather the team I root for hand out a higher aav over lesser years than give out 10+ year deals
The problem here is the AGENTS. The AGENTS are the ones who made us start using the stupidest stat in the history of sports…OPS!!
The AGENTS are the ones who push the players to discard fan/player loyalty for big personal paydays.
The GMs are pressured to make moves. AGENTS demand ridiculous AAV and long contracts and shop their cattle to every meat farm out there until they get their percentage.
AND WE THE FANS GET TO PAY FOR IT with high ticket prices, $15 beers, and crap food.
Uhhhhh. Some folks have weird soapboxes.
I think the Phillies will be glad they whiffed on Bichette.
I agree, too many injuries, Mets overpaid. Blue Jays proved last season they didn’t need Bo.
“Glad they whiffed”..At 7 years I agree that Philly will be glad they whiffed. Bichette’s a + hitter and I do like him for Philly (at 3b) on a 3 yr, high AAV deal. He’s a clear upgrade over Alec Bohm.
Yea, he’s not a bad fit right now, but players of his hitting profile generally don’t age well, and we already know the defense is in question. Can he play a decent 3B? We’ll see, I guess? Meanwhile, the Phillies are hoping for Aidan Miller to come along shortly.
As a Phillies fan, we really didn’t need Bo. Had no position for him and don’t think he would play too well at third base.
Phillies have 1-3 hitters. They needed a fourth to slot in there. Now we just hope for Bohm to come through in his walk year.
Crepu I WAS LITERALLY SHOCKED when I saw last year that the Phillies were putting Bohm on the trade block.Bohm is an RBI MACHINE! RBI and Runs are the 2 most important offensive stats in baseball! Period! HR are nice and ooo aww moments, and the ultra-stupid OPS is a total insult to baseball fans. The fact Bohm didn’t get 90+ RBI last year was due to the MISUSE of him. I’d love to have that guy on my team. I’d frickin DH him just for the RBIs he drives in. RISP IS HUGE!!
Disappointments, He can also get really cold, and is a GIDP machine, as well. That said, I like Bohm, and I hope he can produce in the heart of that lineup.
Are we witnessing the beginning of the end of long term contracts in favour of shorter term, higher AAV ones?
I thought Bichette might go this way but was floored by the AAV.
I think there are only two owners willing to do these ridiculous high contracts with opt-outs. I also think the 2027 lockout is on everyone’s mind. So, I think it’s really the Dodgers and the Mets taking advantage of the market. It makes sense for the Dodgers. I understand why Cohen is doing it with the Mets, but the Verlander/Scherzer experiment was a very expensive miss. If the Mets miss the playoffs this year, they’re giving 100M (counting taxes) to 1 player for 1 season. That’s nuts.
I’m guessing this should convince some that the Cubs aren’t extending Nico for 5/100, or 6/120.
Why? He is worth it and they have lots of money freeing up next year. The only reason not to is if Shaw has a crazy good year.
Why? Because he isn’t signing for that. The losing bid for Bichette was 7/200. Over their 7 year careers, Bichette has a 21.0 bWAR, and Nico has a 21.8.
Sure, Bichette’s WAR is mostly for hitting, and Nico’s is mostly defense and baserunning, with a solid bat. But Nico should be worth 80 to 90% of what Bichette was offered.
That would be 6/160-180. Even if he’d take $150M, no way is Nico foregoing free-agency to sign an extension for $50M to $60M less than what he can get on the open market.
Haha with the “inflation” in MLB 5/100 as a $20M AAV is soon going to be just above the average AAV. FANS WILL BE PAYING. WE get to overpay for their AAVs.
So everyone complains about Trea Turner’s deal (here in Philly at least) but he has a consistently higher WAR than anyone named in this article. Would’ve loved to have Bichette but $42m a year is insane, and Tucker’s contract is also insane!
When the season plays out nobody cares about the contracts. And who cares about the aav…it’s not your money
The higher aav/shorter term contract doesn’t hamstring teams like a 10+ year deal
For someone like cohen that 42 million to bo is like a dime to him
I’d rather Mets overpaid for him for 1 year than have him in his late 30s being a sunk cost
Nah I totally disagree with the fans dogging on Turner. Yeah he had a hard time at first, like many free agent signings in tough markets. But I saw that guy play tons of games with the Nationals and HE IS A LEGIT PRIZE! He’s like one of the top 5 fastest players in the league. He can hit for average and power and steal bases. He just lacked the comfort and confidence to excel what he’s capable of initially. When the Phillies fans stopped booing and gave him support that guy TOOK OFF! He’s a bona-fide top 10 player I’d LOVE to have on my team any day! I’d trade LINDOR for him at the snap of my fingers! Ya know…seriously…I’m a “former” Mess fan now after this offseason…so maybe I’ll switch to the Phillies after 35+ loyal years with the Amazin’ Mess… I don’t think Phillies fans should be complaining about anything.
Have to laugh at this MLBTR dogma that all the owners will push for a salary cap. Why would most owners want a cap at all? It wouldn’t affect their spending. Instead, they’re plenty happy with the current system, which provides lots of luxury tax money for them every year.
Sure, a few owners want the cap because it would stop them from spending so much. But they’re a small minority.
Just like the owners are split, so are the players. The minority of elite players don’t want a salary cap or any other limit on spending. But such limits are irrelevant to most players, who are just trying to get as much as they can at the much lower end of the salary scale.
MLBTR seems to have conveniently forgotten how the last CBA got approved. The elite platers voted against the high luxury tax rates. But the far more numerous grunt players approved the much higher minimum salary and the new performance pool for early-career players.
My guess is much the same will happen this time around. The owners will propse even more sky-high luxury taxes while showering the grunts with big increases in the minimum salary and the performance pool. The small group of elite players will gripe but the grunts will approve the proposal.
This goes against the predictable media narrative of mean old owners locking out the poor starving players. Well, the players ain’t poor and some of them could use a little starving. Anyway, there might be a relatively short lockout but my bet is that a new CBA with sky-high luxury tax rates will get approved with no disruption to the 2027 season. Just like last time.
The Bregman deal looks better and better by the day, especially when you factor in all the deferrals.
These contracts are bananas.
“Bananas” for SURE! Players from the 80s and 90s have to keep working after their careers are done…even some relative team standouts and stars. Nowadays these guys can buy their own country with their earnings. That’s a pretty significant inflation figure.
Bottom line is the Phillies offer $28 million a year and the Mets offered $42 million a year. Phillies were lazy. I saw it coming in a mile away when Tucker signed that short term deal and sadly the Phillies don’t believe in short term deals are opt out so while they are partying like it’s 1999 the real world is flying past them. Nobody to blame, but the Phillies here.
It’s not lazy to have a payroll that matches your revenue and your owners’ means. The Phillies will have a top 4 or 5 payroll without Bichette. They have a top 5 or higher rotation, probably an improved bullpen and young players entering in Crawford, Painter and Miller. I don’t see them as a Series contender in 2026, but they made a strong offer to Bichette, who just chose a higher AAV offer and the ability to bail after a year.
If the Phillies aren’t gonna be a series contender, they never should’ve gone after Bichette. Either go for it or rebuild. Because I can tell you nobody in Philadelphia wants another decent season and a first round knockout. I’d rather see the team trade off assets and rebuild with young players.
No you wouldn’t….. you’d be complaining all year about bad baseball. The Phillies as they are constructed now are a playoff team and have a chance to win the World Series. PLENTY of teams aren’t even in the discussion and you would not want to be a fan of them. You’re delusional
You got to be kidding. I’ll take a nice 95 win season and a first round knockout any day over a long rebuild like 2013-2019.
False choice. We’re a top 4-5 payroll team, so of course we’re not running Mikey Martinez out there these days. You may be satisfied with first round losses but no one else is, from Middleton to Dombrowski to the players to 90% of the fans.
In order to be great, you have to be bad. If I had to take two or three years of bad baseball in order to be a perennial playoff team, yes I would. Teams that lose three times in a row in the first round are not World Series contenders. This team is at stand right now is not a World Series contender. Regular season stats mean nothing. But counts is not joking in the playoffs every year. Sorry you and I disagree. I’ll take four losing years and a World Series every five years any day of the week versus five straight 96 win seasons and choke in the playoffs.
Wow, what a ridiculous take.
Marc, please go away. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Marc L….. show me the stats where a team has a losing record four years and then a world series trophy in year 5. That’s not a strategy…that’s a fantasy. And the Phillies are absolutely one of 7 teams now that can win the World series this year. Saying otherwise is just being a hater
This post is spot on! Therealeman post above….
The Phils are in the top 5 when it comes to payroll as a % of revenues.
I think we’re second in this regard.
I did mention Cohen going crazy after the dodgers signed Tucker in the Tucker thread. And everyone kinda laughed and said he wouldn’t.
The only thing I didn’t expect was it would be Bo.
Unless Toronto needs an outfield bat, Bellinger might have stayed a free agent a few hours too long. Or the Mets go really crazy and sign him too lol.
Why is this so hard for some of you to understand? The Phillies offered what they believed he was worth and simply got outbid. It’s business. Nothing to do with being “lazy.”
You make it sound like they whiffed on a no-doubter. He’s a nice player, nothing more.
Phillies made a very competitive offer. And in previous off-seasons it would have likely been enough.
This deal fits both Cohen and Stearns. Big money move, short term.
Well the good thing for you, Marc L, is that the Phillies aren’t going to have any competition next year from the Amazin’ Mess…regardless of Bo.
I predict right now Bichette will not get a monster deal in three years. He’ll play decently for the Mets but he’s not a superstar, his fielding is below average and he’s had an injury.
The whole Phillies team is free agents. Isn’t it enough?
Check your math, Shaq.
How dare the Phillies make a reasonable offer!
Bo took the team that has the least number of games against the Jays. Bo don’t like to be booed.
Who cares Phillies ownership and front office screwed this up and are not serious. You can’t say the lineup isn’t good enough to win. Then proceeded to bring back that same lineup and then call yourselves serious title contenders
The Phillies are probably one of 7 teams that are real contenders next year. Everyone else is out… Nothing wrong with that as a fan of the team. Especially in Philadelphia….the city that lost their starting QB and put in Nick Foles. The entire city thought the season was over..
I like the higher AAV, shorter-term contract trend, but not for the reasons driving it this offseason. The market is a reaction to the looming 2027 CBA, with teams prioritizing future flexibility and players locking in maximum dollars now before the rules potentially change. I think that’s good but doubt the model sticks if the next CBA introduces real cap restrictions.
I hope MLB avoids a hard cap altogether. I am not a fan of the idea, but a much more aggressive soft floor would make more sense, such as adding one or two higher luxury tax tiers with steeper top-end rates and requiring that a defined percentage of revenue shared from those top tiers is actually reinvested into payroll by recipient teams, while potentially softening the lower tiers to encourage broader spending. Many mid-market teams appear less constrained than optimized for maximizing profit, so the system should encourage teams that want to spend to do so while reducing the benefits of simply being cheap. Chronic under-spenders arguably do more harm to competitiveness than big spenders. If MLB moves toward any form of cap, it has to be paired with a real salary floor tied directly to revenue sharing, with penalties clearly codified rather than merely threatened. That could include a reasonable hard floor alongside a soft floor with a sliding scale where revenue sharing is reduced for teams that stay under for a sustained period, up to the point where revenue sharing is eliminated entirely.
This is just my two cents, but I am concerned about the impact of the next CBA. I will be the first to admit that I do not fully understand all the ramifications, but the constant focus on big spenders supposedly ruining the sport feels misplaced when it doesn’t address the damage done by chronic cheapskates and teams that refuse to invest in competitiveness.
I am also uneasy with how aggressively deferrals are being used. I do not think they need to be eliminated, but the current luxury tax treatment feels flawed, and some combination of limits on total deferred dollars, deferral length, or tiered luxury tax penalties relative to contract size would help prevent teams from mortgaging the future too heavily and reduce the potential competitive imbalance they create, and reduce long term risk for the league.
Edit: I am in favor of a more aggressive soft cap (I mistakenly wrote floor), but as I mentioned, I believe a floor, at least a soft floor tied to revenue sharing, needs to accompany those changes for the system to work. I also think reducing penalties for lower tiered CBT overages would encourage more spending, so my point still stands despite the typo.
This one seems a little strange to me. Next offseason I doubt any player is going to want to opt out while the CBA hangs in limbo. Any other season I see the motivation, but here I kind of view this as a 2 yr deal with an option on 3rd. Maybe its something with the AAV that will stand out once all the #seasons are reported
Only a work stoppage into the 2027 season would effect player pay. Players can negotiate again once a lockout is over before Opening Day.
Like every single past CBA negotiations, MLB will persist so it should be business as usual. I don’t know why some fans make it appear like it’s going to be the MLB apocalypse.
If a work stoppage occurs the opt out becomes less and less valuable. Thats why I view an option out for 2027 as risky and not worth what it has been the past few offseasons.
I’m not following how a possible work stoppage would influence his opt-out decision. No player is paid during a work stoppage. He can sign another deal once both sides can negotiate again. It’s not like the owners won’t have any money to sign free agents.
Exactly, an opt outs value is the ability to seek a new deal the next season if it seems to b beneficial. If the season is shortened by any meaningful span that opt out becomes less and less valuable. This decision also needs to b made by players long before a deal is likely going to b made. It also carries the risk of a new CBA possibly not being as lucrative for top end higher paid free agents.
If any significant portion of the season is missed it by all means might have an impact on what owners will spend on free agent deals. Lost games=lost revenue. Also the fan sentiment towards a work stoppage, after 1994 it had a huge impact on the economics of the game. So yes the owners might not have as much $ they are willing to spend on free agents.
wow what an offer
Not too many landing spots left for Bellinger. Presumably the Mets got their hitter in Bichette. Dodgers got Tucker and don’t want Bellinger back, anyway. Cubs got Bregman and don’t want Bellinger back, anyway. He would fit on Phillkies if they eat Castellanos’ contract. Toronto might want him as consolation for losing Tucker. But are either going to outbid the Yankees? The Royals, the team that needs him the most, are probably not going to play at those levels.
Feel like my gut is Yankees
I almost bought Metallica tickets on their last tour that came through here so I get it, Philly.
The Dom should have listened to the Superfife’s proposal.
It’s not too late!
Who cares? Why should anybody care what he was offered. The Phillies didn’t get him and that’s all that matters. This year‘s team barring anything crazy-is worse than last year‘s team.
I for one am interested in what he turned down over 7 years and the difference in AAV of the 2. Id assume most on here are as this time of year roster construction and rumors of such are primarily what you find here.
But if it does notatter why are you here and why are you commenting? Do u just need to argue??