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Jermaine Dye Signs Contract Extension

Another below-market deal for the White Sox - they've signed right fielder Jermaine Dye to a two-year, $22MM contract extension.  The deal also includes a mutual option at $12MM for 2010 with a $1MM buyout attached.  At one point it seemed Kenny Williams would surely unload both Mark Buehrle and Dye, but instead he's extended the veterans.

It's hard not to like the deal.  The free agent alternatives - guys like Kosuke Fukudome, Milton Bradley, maybe Geoff Jenkins - are not decidedly better.  Fukudome might be able to challenge Dye, but he'll get a larger, riskier contract.

The main concern is that Dye's contract covers his age 34-35 seasons, though the White Sox have a crack medical staff.  They probably won't have an open DH spot until 2010, as Jim Thome's $13MM option for '09 is reasonable and has a $3MM buyout attached.  The White Sox have to hope Dye doesn't follow the career path of top PECOTA comparable Dave Henderson

Looking at 2008, the White Sox have over $92MM committed if Joe Crede is retained. 



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Good thing he didn't get traded for those pieces of crap Epstein was offering. Anyway, it's not a high commitment and beats out deals like the Juan Pierre one. I have to like the power he'll likely bring now that he's healthy and he holds a spot in the heart of every ChiSox fan's heart.

Just over 92 mil? I thought it was worse than that. Expect it to drop if we can shed at least one of Garland and Contreras(who was working in the low-mid-nineties and hit 97 MPH in his start last night despite hanging his forker, still very reassuring) and he can use the money in other areas. Maybe they can go for Eckstein to bat behind Owens(yes, Owens-it WILL happen, like it or not) if nothing can be done to obtain Greene(BTW, where did his OBP go? He was drafted on the base of his ability to get on base). I would love for that Garland/Anderson for Greene/reliever deal to go through, but I don't think Towers would bite. We'll see.

buehrlebro,

It is kind of worse than that when you consider the fact that the 92M is for basiclly only 4SPs, DH, 1B & RF. The team will have a payroll in the 100M range (well, 107M w/Philly paying 7) meaning they need to be crafty to fill the holes, build a bench and make about 1/2 a Bullpen with roughly 10-15M to spend.


This deal itself is so-so in my mind. I don't think Dye at 11M is too much of a discount, I guess he could be considered that but it really depends on how you value him. I still feel rebuilding and trying to get away from some of the 10M+ guys would have been the way to go for Chi, but if they really think they will somehow compete then I guess its not too bad...

Will be interesting to see what KW does; fielding this same team again could cost him his job if they can do nothing more than battle for 5th with KC in 08 as well...

On the books for 2008:

Buehrle $14M
Garland $12M
Vazquez $11.5M
Contreras $10M
MacDougal $1.95M
Thornton $0.875M

Konerko $12M
Dye $9.5M
Thome $8.5M
Pierzynski $6M
Hall $1.75M
Ozuna $1.05M

That's $89.125M for 12 players. Suppose Crede is retained for $4.5M and Contreras is traded with the Sox eating $3M of his salary. That's now $90.675M for 12 players. Add in 11 players making near the minimum and you're up to about $96M. A free agent CF and some SS coming over in a trade push that up to about $115M.

KW isn't exactly known for standing pat. He shook up the 05 roster to 06 considerably and from 06 to 07 as well, he has some tricks up his sleeve. I wouldn't mind seeing Garland traded for Brent Lillibridge or Yunel Escobar straight up, prefereably Lillibridge, there's your starting SS/2 hitter right there.

LF/CF Owens/Ozuna
SS Lillibridge/Eckstein/Greene etc.
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
C Pierzynski
3B Fields
CF/LF Sweeney/Ozuna
2B Richar

Or something like that. Should be interesting to see how his rebuilding on the go philosophy works out; the bullpen has been better as of late and can't be any worse next year. Lots of good arms getting a second chance.

That's an interesting look at things Andrew, but I don't think Williams is going to sign a centerfielder off the market, and he won't go for a highly priced shortstop, as evidenced by him backing out of the Renteria trade.

"and he won't go for a highly priced shortstop, as evidenced by him backing out of the Renteria trade"

ERent would have only cost 6M since Bos is picking up 3 a year. You have to figure Eck would cost 4-5 himself so its quite a downgrade to MAYBE save a Mil or two...

Trading Garland in the offseason is also probably not on KWs mind. You have to figure he would have dealt him when he had a unusually deflated ERA (something like 3.09 at the time) and when GMs were drooling for SP help if he was thinking about getting anything for him. Same can probably be said for Vasquez. Keeping them at the deadline probably means he's keeping them in 08...


And Andrews rundown is perfect...

I really don't know anything about the Sox, but does anyone think KW maybe just extended Dye as trade bait for the future? Signed reasonably and arguable more than a rental at next years deadline, if he's healthy I don't see why it wouldn't at least be considered.

I don't think that trading Garland would be too bad of an idea. He'd likely bring back a decent return in this market to a lesser-informed GM and if you look at his stats they don't support a 12 million salary.

His xFIP, ERA + are all lower than last year and some of the peripheral stats like LD% and GB% are moving towards the danger zone (as well as his K/9).

Maybe an imbecile like Ned Coletti will bite, or perhaps a ground ball enthusiast like Towers will(though his rates are down). And Vasquez and Garland are two completely different situations; Garland is signed through next year, Vasquez through 2010. Also, Vasquez is having a better season and has crisp peripherals. I'd much rather trade Garland at this point, if not for a much lower return. They need to find a way to cram Gio into the rotation anyway, and maybe Sheurholz(sp), who's probably retiring after 08, will be willing to part with Lillibridge or Escobar.

I just looked over the periphs of Garland vs Contreras and they aren't that different this year. Their xFIP's are almost identical and if anything Garland just looks to be a bit luckier.

The public perception of the two is definitely quite different.

They're both dead weight on the payroll as far as I'm concerned. I hope both of them get traded for better or for worse.

Nah BBro, not compairing um ~ meant its probably unlikely either Garland or Vasquez are traded before the 08 season as the return would have been the highest 3 weeks ago but KW didn't seem to want to part with either. With your name sake also not going anywhere it means JoseC is the one to go, or you are your 08 rotation now.

I do agree Vasquez is the one to keep as he's a much better pitcher if he really has figured something out this year to get back to where he was in Mon. Garland isn't anything special, lgAvg at his normals and making about what that costs on the market. Not trading him when his value was so high is the part that leads me to think Kenny doesn't want to part with him though... The ATL package of ERent (at 6M cost) + TopPitchPros (possibly Devine at that time) would have been a mighty nice haul if he was going to move him...

I would have guessed the top prospect to have been Harrison, but that's a moot point now. Anyway, it shows that JS has interest(and a need for a SP) and KW needs a SS, so maybe they can hook up on a deal this offseason. That, or maybe if Contreras rebounds(again, he hit 97 last night after being at 88-90 all year) he can nab the SS to be, although that's best case scenario for the Sox. I think Williams backed out cause he didn't want to be on Renteria's contract through 08, and while he has every intention to try and win next season, he's not in any position to go for a for a Renterial. tehe

I just loved how no team was willing to "mortgage the future", and now teams like Milwaukee and Colorado are slipping out of contention (both of course are still in it but will probably fade). They could have made themselves stronger by adding a Garland, Contreras, or Dye.

I dont like this deal if they intend on keeping him for those 2 years. I dont see the white sox being good for awhile with their payroll constraint and and voids that need to be filled. It is a very affordable contract so maybe the sox could fetch more in return for him if they flip him. KW either needs to make the payroll much higher, or shop Dye. Anything else is impractical.

You have to like this deal for the Sox, Dye would have received more on the open market.

Can we please stop this ridiculous talk of the Padres being interested in Garland. The Padres have near $40 million committed to Maddux (I expect Maddux the team to exercise the $11 mill option), brian giles, Hoffman, Peavy, Young and Gonzalez. Factor in arbitration increases for Greene etc brings you close to $60 million and the team still needs to find a CF in the offseason.

The Padres are not going to have salary top $70 million--they need to spend the money on offense.

Kill joy.

Why don't they re-sign Bradley for CF and move Kouz to left, bring up Headley for third base? They have enough players that they can instill some platoons somewhere. At any rate, Peavy, Young, Maddux, then what? You have Germano, Ledezma and Hensley for the last three options, hardly inspiring. How about this; Drop Giles, bring in Loretta for 2B. Use Mackowiack and Ensberg in a platoon at third base, and bring up Headley when he's ready. That's not so bad. Use Bard and LaForest at catcher, and the rest falls in place.

RF Giles
2B Loretta
CF Bradley
1B Gonzalez
LF Kouzmanoff
SS Greene
3B Mackowiack/Ensberg/Headley
C Bard Laforest
P

The bench would consist of Hairston, who would get time at second base and OF, LaForest, the backup catcher, Mackowiack who can play all corners or Ensberg who can get the infield corners and both can hit off the bench. Geoff Blum is the utility infielder. This plan doesn't allow them a *whole* lot of power, but it leaves them money for one more starter. Say they do get that starter, and then Germano, Ledezma, and Hensley can fight over fifth. That better?

Don't forget that the Sox pretty much only owe have of Thome's salary.

Here's a good trade offer. Josh Bard for Carlos Gomez. Gomez fills up center for the Pads and the Mets get a younger catcher to replace LoDuca.

Gomez is worth a hell of a lot more than Bard.

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