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Cards Hire Mozeliak As GM
According to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, negotiations with Chris Antonelli broke down and the Cards have instead hired John Mozeliak as their GM. He gets a three-year deal. Mozeliak has experience and familiarity with the organization. He's said to have a solid relationship with Jeff Luhnow. Luhnow's presence may have been a factor driving Walt Jocketty and Antonelli away from the job.
Mozeliak had already gotten down to business as interim GM, re-signing Joel Pineiro and Russ Springer while exercising Jason Isringhausen's option. Perhaps his next move will be to have a chat with Curt Schilling.
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Posted by: tyler | October 31, 2007 at 01:11 PM
Antonetti knew that he didn't have complete autonomy over that crew with DeWitt and his greedy little hands involved in everything. Damn it! I feel like a damn cubs fan. futile.
Posted by: StLknows | October 31, 2007 at 02:09 PM
Moze will do a wonderful job as the GM. Great hire, should have been done the day Walt was let go
Posted by: ozziethesaint | October 31, 2007 at 02:18 PM
I'm sure he's worth a shot, ozzie, but I'm not sold on Mo yet. Bringing Springer and Isringhausen back were solid moves, but I would much rather have let Pineiro walk. Also he headed the 2004 draft, the worst draft by the Cardinals or any team for that matter in a long time. He won't have that responsibility now, but it still says something about his player evaluation.
All that said, I'm not against this move, though I would've preferred Antonetti.
Posted by: mateodh | October 31, 2007 at 02:24 PM
Great work by Cleveland, a much less prestigious club than St. Louis, to hold onto Antonetti.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | October 31, 2007 at 02:26 PM
That should read "I know I didn't.
Posted by: tyler | October 31, 2007 at 03:20 PM
I don't know if anyone expected Cleveland would push Shapiro out of the position for Antonetti. I don't I didn't.
Posted by: tyler | October 31, 2007 at 03:20 PM
Didn't they promise Shapiro the CEO position? That's hardly getting pushed out, its getting promoted.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | October 31, 2007 at 03:25 PM
Tim- what will Curt Schilling get on a one year deal? 14 Mil? 15 Mil?
One year deals are so damn valuable to teams... I wonder what a team on the brink of success would be willing to pay?
Posted by: registereduser | October 31, 2007 at 03:37 PM
With Schilling and LaRusa's giant melons, will there be room in the clubhouse for the rest of the team?
Posted by: thatteamfromcle | October 31, 2007 at 03:51 PM
Schill to STL on even a 2 year deal would be fantastic at any cost. He can be the bulldog ace type pitcher they need until Carp is healthy. And assuming that happens by late August, Carp and Schill 1-2 which would allow Wainwright to be slotted against a team's 3rd starter is just a sick matchup for the Cards to be able to put against a team in a short post season series.
Plus Piniero and Mulder are much better as the 4-5 guys. And i could easily live with Looper as the swing man during the season. he would also make nice insurance is Carp doesn't come back this season or if Mulder gets hurt again this next season Which is entirely too likely.
Posted by: ozziethesaint | October 31, 2007 at 04:10 PM
Ozzie, Carpenter being an ace by August is an absolute pipe dream.
Posted by: Teetz | October 31, 2007 at 05:33 PM
hmmm..i wonder if when im done w/ law school next year, if they will have room for me in the front office...
Posted by: cincy_11 | October 31, 2007 at 05:41 PM
Teetz, 9-12 months is a standard rehab assignment for TJ surgery. Barring any complications it's not that hard to believe that by mid July Carp is in the minors making a couple rehab starts. Velocity is usually the only thing missing during the first stages of the comeback, Carp is not a pitcher that wins off of a blazing fastball to begin with. By Mid August when he's thrown for a month and his timing is back and he has his normal control it's not unthinkable to say he will be in the range of 75-85% of his normal self. And in the NL Central, that's enough to be a premier pitcher. Hell with pitching as it is today, that's enough to match up against a lot of teams actually.
Posted by: ozziethesaint | October 31, 2007 at 09:07 PM
Upon investigating the situation even more, I need to amend my previous statement. Carpenter actually TJ about 3 weeks earlier than I thought he did. Barring complications, He would actually be able to start throwing again around early Feb. Since the normal rehab is to begin a throwing program at or around the 6th month mark. Then it's generally another 2-3 months before you throw from the mound, which would be around the beginning to mid may. So he could feasibly be pitching again after the all star break.
Everyone automatically assumes TJ is one year gone, which is not true.
Posted by: ozziethesaint | October 31, 2007 at 09:27 PM
But after your Kerry Wood rant...you would think you would be a little more worried about a pitcher coming off of surgery with a history of injuries....best case scenarios are rarely the case, especially when you have a pitcher with a past containing previous injuries...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | October 31, 2007 at 11:14 PM
The timeline I listed is not the best case scenario. That's just if things go the norm. Also not the best Comparison on the 2 injury situations, When Carp goes 4+ seasons in a row without being able to stay healthy then we'll talk
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 01, 2007 at 12:47 AM
Oh, and just a little tidbit, best case scenario would have Carp ready to do his minor league rehab around the first of May
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 01, 2007 at 12:49 AM
right...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 01, 2007 at 08:57 AM
Do your homework then, His TJ surgery was around the 23rd of July. So by the end of September he was beginning rehab. and he should be able to start throwing again around the end of January, which is the 6th month mark. Then once you start throwing it's usually 2-3 months before the arm strength is built back up enough to pitch in a game. So that's somewhere between the end March or the end April. Then you figure roughly 4-6 weeks to get in game shape. Which puts us anywhere between the end of April and Mid June.
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 01, 2007 at 09:25 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_John_Surgery
Here's a pretty wiki page on TJ. I disagree with one thing on it though, it says full recovery at 1 year, but it seems with most of the pitchers that came back they are at about 75-85% of themselves when they come back and don't reach 100% until the following season. But that said, it usually mostly affects velocity which is not something that would drag Carp's game down alot since he's not one of these guys that only gets by on velocity.
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 01, 2007 at 09:29 AM
Maybe I shouldn't go that far...but the odds are that he will probably not get back to his formal self until then, if ever again.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 01, 2007 at 11:21 AM
"But that said, it usually mostly affects velocity which is not something that would drag Carp's game down alot since he's not one of these guys that only gets by on velocity."
I would agree to a point...but his very good breaking ball is set up from his fastball...which won't do the same job if he is losing 5mph...believe me, there is a HUGE difference between Carp healthy and Carp coming back from TJ surgery. He won't be completely right until 09...if ever again.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 01, 2007 at 11:21 AM
My guess is that Carp will be good for 8 wins in 2008
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 01, 2007 at 01:05 PM
I wish I knew you well enough to make a bet on that and take the under...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 01, 2007 at 01:45 PM
Yea I would take your money :)
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 01, 2007 at 02:22 PM
Im a cardinals fan....
I bet he makes 10 starts, pitches 65-70 innings, 55k, 3.95 ERA.
I can't bet on win/loss, because the starting pitcher does not control his win/loss record.
Posted by: registereduser | November 01, 2007 at 03:05 PM
I'd say 10 starts is a good conservative guess. If I had to lay money on it, I would say 8-12
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 01, 2007 at 03:38 PM
So you think with 8 to 12 starts that Carp is going to win 8 times?? Wow...you would NOT be taking my money...I guarentee that. Thats a ridiculous start to win ratio...and you are expecting of it from him after surgery? The Cards offense is far, far from putting up those kinds of numbers....that just doesn't make any sense.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 01, 2007 at 04:22 PM
If we had bet, I would have been betting on 10-12 starts and 8 wins.
Reason for that,
Cards will have a very good pen again next season. Probably even better than this past season's. And the offense has to be improved as long as Rolen can actually raise his right arm, Duncan isn't hurt and basically was useless the entire 2nd half, and a Full season of Ankiel over Encarnacion. There's a few good reasons to expect a better offense.
Posted by: ozziethesaint | November 01, 2007 at 07:00 PM
Not really. You still haven't learned your lesson with Rolen, have you? I guess the Cubs will get better because Prior is in the rotation next year....
The bullpen can't get better...they are going to regress. You think Franklin and Izzy are going to repeat those years?? Duncan and Ankiel will continue to love striking out...and Ankiel hit a hot streak but showed much more of himself at the end of the year. If you are counting on a much better offense and an even better bullpen than last year, you are screwed.
By the way, Carp making 8 to 12 starts, and winning 8? Thats just ignorant to say...you can't honestly believe that...you just can't.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 02, 2007 at 05:02 PM