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By Tim Dierkes [October 30, 2007 at 9:17am CST]
Alex Rodriguez is going to dominate the hot stove headlines for the next several months. But I'll be sure to give fair time to all the other interesting stories going on. Anyway, a score of articles came out yesterday regarding Rodriguez's possible suitors. Let's discuss.
- Giants: The storyline being promoted by the media is that the Giants need a superstar to replace Barry Bonds, and keeping the career home run record in house is especially appealing. Plus, they are able to work with Scott Boras (hopefully there are no hard feelings over Barry Zito). Ann Killion doesn't like the idea, equating A-Rod to Barry Bonds in some ways.
- Tigers: One would guess that Edgar Renteria was their big offseason splash, but they also work well with Boras. And Rodriguez could replace Brandon Inge at third base, adding 6-7 wins for the Tigers in the process. However Lynn Henning does not see a match given the salary and also the home run-limiting ballpark.
- Mariners: The Ms are being mentioned as a possibility if they can somehow unload Richie Sexson's contract and trade Adrian Beltre. This doesn't seem realistic, though U.S.S. Mariner questions the perception of A-Rod in Seattle.
- Angels: This is my pick for Rodriguez. However Mark Feinsand and Bill Madden have sources indicating that owner Arte Moreno has already informed Bud Selig he won't be involved. Moreno has also said publicly he doesn't want to pay anyone $20MM+. But Bill Shaikin has a source indicating that the Halos have indeed discussed A-Rod internally. Doug Padilla is confident Rodriguez lands with the Angels or Dodgers. Padilla spoke to a former NL GM still involved in baseball operations who noted a Rodriguez home purchase in the OC. The Angels seem to be the favorite of oddsmakers, and GM Tony Reagins did not rule it out.
- Dodgers: Feinsand and Madden say the Joe Torre signing would be a deterrent for A-Rod. I'm against spending that $7MM per year on any manager. Manny Acta makes half a million bucks, he's just as good.
- Cubs: Here we have the Lou Piniella connection and a shortstop opening. We also have an unsettled ownership situation likely to get in the way. Paul Sullivan doesn't get the vibe that Jim Hendry will go after Rodriguez. Piniella says the team hasn't discussed it, and he "doesn't think there's anything there."
- White Sox: Kenny Williams pretty much said "forget it." That doesn't mean there's zero chance, but it's always been highly unlikely that the Sox would change course and break the bank for a Boras client.
- Phillies: Pat Gillick said the Phils were out of the A-Rod Sweepstakes a while ago. He was at the helm when Rodriguez left the Ms.
- Red Sox: Epstein has already spoken about bringing Mike Lowell back as a top priority, though the team is flush wish cash and Rodriguez could play short for a few years.
- Mets: Mark Hale thinks it will at least be discussed at organizational meetings, even if it's a long shot. Bob Klapisch discusses the situation in greater detail here. As you know, David Wright has said he'd move to second base for A-Rod. Fantasy geeks would rejoice.
- Marlins: Some have thrown them into this as a team with a low payroll and A-Rod's hometown. This just doesn't seem likely at all.
- Rangers: Evan Grant thinks that even an unlikely second tour with Texas will be discussed internally.
- Blue Jays: They're officially out per J.P. Ricciardi. He expects a quiet offseason.
- Nate Silver does a nice job of summing up all the teams' chances over at BP.
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i think Ted Rogers and the jays MIGHT go after A-rod since John McDonald is good but not on the offense part of the game but maybe if Jp Riccardi can unload Glaus maybe might happen
Posted by: Larsen101 | October 30, 2007 at 09:23 AM
Wow, the Mets are conspicously absent from this post......just as well. I just hope that Mets ownership comes out and states their position on the A-Rod matter so I don't have to read about it as much on Metsblog.
I would not mind him, but again, its not my money. I would prefer a stud pitcher. If signing him some how precludes the Mets from doing so now or in the near future, then A-Rod would prove more harmful than good. Why not just throw the money at Tex or Dunn next year? They will def be cheaper than A-rod.
Posted by: coolpapabell | October 30, 2007 at 09:29 AM
"Manny Acta makes half a million bucks, he's just as good."
Better.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | October 30, 2007 at 09:29 AM
Ahh and the Mets appear, thanks!
Posted by: coolpapabell | October 30, 2007 at 09:31 AM
Why doesn't anyone ever speculate about the Nationals? They're in an identical situation to the Giants back in 1992 when they signed Bonds to a then exorbitant deal - new ownership group, brand new stadium that they need to fill up, the city not really being behind the team, playing to half-empty stadiums. Sure, you have to move Zimmerman (or somehow fit ARod back at short), but this would seem like the perfect way for the new ownership group to make a splash.
Posted by: Brickhaus | October 30, 2007 at 09:33 AM
"First and foremost we wantto address pitching. Chapionships are won with pitching. We saw that with the Redsox this year."
Music to my ears! We love you Omar!
Posted by: coolpapabell | October 30, 2007 at 09:38 AM
i was thinking the Blue Jays.
as mentioned John McDonald is the Jays current SS. i cant see the Jays going into a season with John McDonald as their starter, they have to be smarter than that.
the Jays have the pitching with Halladay/Burnett/McGowan/ect but could use another explosive bat.
with ARod the attendance would improve, and the Jays would get more covereage.. especially when it comes time for ARod to break the HR record.
from what i hear the dollar exchange is higher than its been in recent years.. plus the Jays owner Ted Rogers is a billionaire, so its not like they dont have the money.
even if ARod doesnt stay at SS Glaus wont be there much longer at 3B, and maybe even ARod signs with the Jays they could move Glaus this offseason to one of the LA teams.
has there been any type of rumours/speculation about the Jays?
Posted by: SpecialFNK | October 30, 2007 at 09:58 AM
hahaha... so basiaclly, A-Rod doesn't play anywhere next season? I'm actually sort of happy watching all these teams distance themselves from him. I know he'll play, and I know someone will pay for him; I just hope he doesn't get as ridiculous a contract as Boras hopes for, and he has to "settle."
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | October 30, 2007 at 10:01 AM
I've seen some Nats speculation here and there...they are in the longshot Marlins category I guess.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | October 30, 2007 at 10:05 AM
So pretty much nobody wants AROD right now.
That will change, but the teams are just positioning themselves now trying to drive down the price.
Posted by: kab21 | October 30, 2007 at 10:06 AM
The only teams that seem likely to throw that kind of money around are the Dodgers and the Giants.
But why would ARod want to play for the Giants where he'll likely miss the postseason ?
The Dodgers seem like the best bet to me.
Posted by: Blutarski | October 30, 2007 at 10:17 AM
He'll end up with the yankees. A-Rod is a selfish player who won't take a pay cut. The only place for him is next to a Steinbrenner.
Posted by: DocBot | October 30, 2007 at 10:19 AM
"But why would ARod want to play for the Giants where he'll likely miss the postseason ?"
so he cant choke it up in the playoffs like he always does. He'll just sit back and collect his stats that will get him his money and HOF votes.
Posted by: trober81 | October 30, 2007 at 10:28 AM
Article #1: The Marlins will have to trade Miguel Cabrera before the start of the next season because they can't afford the 3-4m increase in arbitration that he will recive.
Article #2: The Marlins, due to having an absymal payroll the past couple of years, have stockpiled a lot of money and will be in the race to sign Alex Rodriguez to a 300m+ deal.
So they can't afford a 3m increase but they can afford a 300m increase. I
I'd put my money on one of the LA teams, with NYM being a dark horse.
Posted by: Nny | October 30, 2007 at 10:42 AM
As a Mets fan, signing Arod would be the smartest move the Mets could make in the off-season. Granted, we do need starting pitching, but have you looked at the free agent market? Curt Schilling is the best pitcher available. That might have been good 3 seasons ago, but he's now a control pitcher. What do you want Omar to do? Spend $40 mil on Carlos Silva? Do you think that's a smart move? Our best bet is to trade for a starting pitcher. So in the meantime, sign the best player in the majors. I calculated that the Mets payroll would be under $140 mil if we signed Arod (I'm guessing $35 mil per), traded for A.J. Burnett ($12 mil per), traded Delgado and $5 mil to the Twins for a reliever, signed a guy like Mike Timlin (around $3 mil), signed Mike Lamb (around $2 mil), re-signed Ramon Castro (around $2 mil), sign a backup catcher like Javier Valentin (around $1 mil), picked up Alou's option ($7.5 mil), and re-signed Luis Castillo (around $5 mil per). Our payroll would still be less than the Yankees and the Red Sox. Plus Delgado, Pedro, El Duque, and Alou's contracts would all be up, freeing up $30 mil. It makes sense folks...
Posted by: moebarguy | October 30, 2007 at 10:42 AM
"Plus Delgado, Pedro, El Duque, and Alou's contracts would all be up, freeing up $30 mil."
I meant to say, "Plus in 2009, Delgado, Pedro, El Duque, and Alou's contracts would all be up, freeing up $30 mil."
Posted by: moebarguy | October 30, 2007 at 10:44 AM
Realistically, the Mets will sign Livan Hernandez, and do nothing else...
Posted by: moebarguy | October 30, 2007 at 10:49 AM
Real real real darkhorse - Baltimore. Owner has wasted big money before - arod would thrive there, softens the loss of Hernandez and Tejada via trade for pitching and owner loves sticking to the yankees. Too long a shot? I notice that noone ever mentions Brewers either - not overly familiar with ownership there- simply monetary decision? They already ditched Jenkins - perhaps a Sheets trade - would open close to 20M.
Posted by: touchmymonkey | October 30, 2007 at 10:51 AM
"It's clear he didn't want to be a Yankee," Hank Steinbrenner told the Daily News last night. "He doesn't understand the privilege of being a Yankee on a team where the owners are willing to pay $200 million to put a winning product on the field.
"I don't want anybody on my team that doesn't want to be a Yankee."
These are quotes from Hank Steinbrenner. I think it's pretty clear that he won't be back with the Yankees. The Yankees cannot back down at this point or it will show that AROD is bigger than the Yankees.
Posted by: kab21 | October 30, 2007 at 10:54 AM
I don't know guys, this could be the year the Reds step in an get an ex-Mariner destined to break the home run record. Err wait...
Seriously, I keep feeling he'll end up with Baltimore, possibly the Angels.
Posted by: sharkeyanti | October 30, 2007 at 11:12 AM
Echo the two above. Anaheim is logical but Baltimore makes total sense as a darkhorse. Their attendance sucked this year, they now have competition a half hour south and they desperately need a spark to avoid falling to the bottom of a crowded divsion. Rodriguez chasing the all-time HR record in a small park seems to make a ton of sense. They've shown in the past (Belle, Tejada) that they aren't afraid of the big signing; here's the biggest.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | October 30, 2007 at 11:20 AM
I would actually respect that quote if the Yankees weren't making money hand over fist. If the smaller market teams were making around 350-400 million a year they would spend 200 million as well.
I think A-Rod will end up with the Angels or Dodgers with the Cubs and Giants playing the role of darkhorse.
Posted by: schellis | October 30, 2007 at 11:26 AM
A-Rod and the Nats--as a Nats fan, I'd like to see it happen. I agree that it would make the fan-base and even more the football-obsessed local sports media, stand up and take notice. And it would guarantee that the new stadium would be sold out all season, and likely beyond.
Why won't it happen? Two words: Stan Kasten. First, he does not like signing bigtime free agents, especially at this stage of development, and second, he and Boras are like oil and water. A move to sign A-Rod for the Nats would have to be driven by the Lerners--possible but not likely in the team's current situation.
Posted by: Steven J Berke | October 30, 2007 at 11:30 AM
"But Bill Shaikin has a source indicating that the Halos have indeed discussed A-Rod internally."
Reagins: Hey, what do you think about going after A-Rod.
Moreno: I don't want to pay anyone $20MM+.
Reagins: OK
The crux of Moreno's stance is that he does not want to pay anyone more than Vladimir. Moreno considers it an insult.
I'd love to see the Brewers get in on this......but I'm going to call San Diego.
Posted by: scatterbrian | October 30, 2007 at 12:03 PM
I don't think ARod will go to San Diego because it will decrease his chances of getting the HR record. Believe me, that is in his mind and has been for awhile now.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | October 30, 2007 at 12:08 PM
ARod won't be back with the Yankees. Hank's statements and Cashman's statements have basically shut the door.
ARod won't come back either... after this the Yankees fans will never forgive him. He'll get booed mercilessly no matter what.
Angels/Dodgers are the front runners in my opinion. Both are large media markets (LA), both have cash, the Angels are pretty laid back about post-season failure (see Vlad) and maybe being someplace warm will turn ARod's lips a normal color.
On the Yankees end, as a fan, all the signs are a little disturbing. Say what you want about the Boss, but he was smart and spent his money to win. He'd swallow his pride and let Torre and Cashman do what they wanted if they convinced him it was good for the organization. His two sons seem to have all the aggressiveness, but none of the smarts.
The firing of Torre was one, Girardi over Donnie might be another, and these random shots at ARod are the third sign. I miss the Yankees of 1990s...
Posted by: henry14theking | October 30, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Other than shorter distances down the lines, Yankee Stadium and Petco aren't all that different. Besides, Rodriguez isn't a wall-scraper.
Posted by: scatterbrian | October 30, 2007 at 12:50 PM
what do you guys think of Cab for a Cab.....Miguel Cabrera for Melky Cabrera???
Posted by: Derrick | October 30, 2007 at 12:53 PM
what do you guys think of Cab for a Cab.....Miguel Cabrera for Melky Cabrera???
Better chance of Jones for jones and jones. Jacques for Chipper and Brandon
Posted by: touchmymonkey | October 30, 2007 at 12:58 PM
I could definitely see the Reds jumping in on this - a nontendering of Dunn would be a tip-off, I think. I agree that the Orioles are also a franchise that could bite. Both are teams that need to do something to energize their fans, can't build new ballparks and need to take a big step forward to be competitive.
On the other hand, Andy McPhail always liked the win-without-breaking-the-bank strategy and they appear to be moving towards in the sell-off direction.
Posted by: DGU | October 30, 2007 at 01:05 PM
"I miss the Yankees of 1990s..."
Seriously. Where have you gone, Melido Perez?
Oh, you meant the late 90s...
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | October 30, 2007 at 01:08 PM
The Reds and the 'Stros should both be darkhorses. At least they're more likely than the Marlins -_-
What about Japan? lol
Posted by: andagh | October 30, 2007 at 01:27 PM
What about the Cleveland Indians? They have a stadium that holds 42,000+ which only sold about 28,000 per game last season, meaning ticket sales alone would pay for a substantial portion of his contract. They were one game away from the world series and are loaded with young talent, fulfilling ARod's desire to play for a contender for a long time. Their payroll has averaged under 50 million for the last 5 years and was only 60 million this year, so they must have some money saved up. Back in 2001 (when their stadium was selling out) their payroll was above 90 million, showing they may be willing to spend that much again. Casey Blake is a free agent (I think) and Andy Marte struggled last year mostly at AAA, so there is an opening at third base. Seems like a pretty good fit to me.
Posted by: GoRedSoxGo | October 30, 2007 at 01:28 PM
what do you guys think of Cab for a Cab.....Miguel Cabrera for Melky Cabrera???
Posted by: Derrick | October 30, 2007 at 12:53 PM
melky has no value and miggy is worth more then the yankees could or would pay. They dont have the right parts starting with an elite catcher (which the marlins have coveted for years now).
I think if the stadium deal is done in short order, I wouldnt put the marlins out of it. He would fill the stadium
Posted by: Baseballfan79 | October 30, 2007 at 01:35 PM
I think if the Reds were to get involved they would be far better served getting rid of Gonzalez and Griffey to free up a little more cash for A-Rod then they would be declining the option of the team leader Dunn.
The problem with them cutting Dunn loose is that they would open with a all question OF. You have the two injury guys in Griffey and Hamilton, the rookie in Bruce and a 4th OF that is a poor man's Juan Pierre (Hopper)
I would extend Dunn, sign A-Rod, deal Griffey and Gonzalez for whatever prospects I could get...if Griffey used his 5/10 rights I would play him but would definately let him walk at the end of the year.
The Reds would take a hit this season (they do have money coming off the books, I think its around 15 million) and the owner has stated that he's going to boost the payroll as well.
Clear Griffey and Gonzalez, that is another 15 million and you have your money for A-Rod.
The big question then would be is A-Rod still a SS.
Posted by: schellis | October 30, 2007 at 01:36 PM
The Indians have about the same chance that the Twins do. 0% - Twins, 0.1% - Indians
It is in both teams best interests to spend that big money on Sabathia/Santana.
Posted by: kab21 | October 30, 2007 at 02:25 PM
SpecialFNK, I highly doubt the Jays would be interested in A-Rod after the cheating incident in Toronto. It probably left a bad taste in the mouth of Jays management. They don't need a person him on the team
Posted by: Grant77 | October 30, 2007 at 03:08 PM
Ok guys let's be honest with ourselves for a minute. #1 A-Rod does not want to play out in the NL he said it when the Rangers tried to get rid of him and I think he's made it clear in the past, and out of all the teams in the AL besides the Yankees the only teams that can afford to spend the money on him are the Red Sox and the Angels. Now we all know the Angels aren't looking to spend $30 Mil+ on A-Rod and the Sox are the ONLY team in the MLB willing to spend that type of money. I think the best thing for the Sox to do is to Re-Sign Lowell 1st and maybe try to trade Lugo and sign A-Rod. They probably get a decent pitcher for Lugo. Think about it a lineup of:
CF-Jacoby Ellsbury
SS-Alex Rodriguez
DH-David Ortiz
LF-Manny Ramirez
1st-Kevin Youklis
3rd-Mike Lowell
RF-J.D Drew
C-Jason Varitek
2nd-Dustin Pedroia
And a Rotation of
1-Beckett
2-Matsuzaka
3-Buchholz
4-Wakefield or FA
5-FA/TRADE
That's pretty dangerous especially if Matsuzaka locks in like Beckett in his 2nd season and Buchholz is solid.
Posted by: JasonV | October 30, 2007 at 03:31 PM
"what do you guys think of Cab for a Cab.....Miguel Cabrera for Melky Cabrera???
Better chance of Jones for jones and jones. Jacques for Chipper and Brandon"
LOL. Or jose Reyes for Jo-Jo- Reyes.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 30, 2007 at 03:32 PM
Guys A-Rod isn't going to be a Blue Jay, hell no. IF your a true Jays fan you recall our feud with him, plus we don't have the money to sign him with so much Jays players going to arbatration. Johnny Mac was signed to a 2-year deal too. I hate to be mean but if you think A-Rod being a Jay your a retard
Posted by: Jays Believer 92,93 | October 30, 2007 at 03:34 PM
i was thinking ARod to the Jays was a long shot, but i still think the Jays could have explored it. if the Jays want to make a move next season would have been the best time. NY isnt going to be as good next year and that would leave Boston in the AL East. having ARod could push the Jays right into championship contention.
i knew the bush league play ARod did in Toronto could work against him, but i think the Jays and the fans could be forgiving to have have someone like ARod in the lineup.
that play ARod did in Toronto looks bad, but noone seems to mention the slap ARod did to Red Sox Bronson Arroyo back in 2004 and still mention Boston as a possible team.
Posted by: SpecialFNK | October 30, 2007 at 03:36 PM
The arguement for Alex not playing for an NL team is one of the stupidest I have heard. He wouldnt have opted out if he had already eliminated half of the baseball teams in the league for his services. Why the hell would a batter care if he was in the AL or NL. It doesnt even make sense. At all. Its not like he is a DH, or a pitcher, that has to pitch to a DH. Boston may indeed goo after Alex( I personally dont think so), but it sounds as if you are trying to tconvince youself that he is going to sign with the Red Sox. Just wait it out man, stop being greedy. You just won the world series.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 30, 2007 at 03:37 PM
"i knew the bush league play ARod did in Toronto could work against him, but i think the Jays and the fans could be forgiving to have have someone like ARod in the lineup."
Youre completely right. It shouldnt pplay any sort of factor into the Jays inquiring on Alex. The Cowboy fans hated T.O., when he ran to the star at mid field two times after two TD's in one game, but do they hate him now? If A-Rod goes to Toronto, you will watch him hit home runs and like it. His bush league play from last year will be forgotten.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 30, 2007 at 03:40 PM
..as for the Jays not having the money, i dont belive that. Ted Rogers is a BILLIONAIRE. he could easily put more money into the team to make them a championship contender instead of trying to compete with NY and Boston on a limited payroll. the payroll is up from previous years but still not enough to get it done IMO.
Posted by: SpecialFNK | October 30, 2007 at 03:41 PM
I see your point and I would be happy if A-Rod produced but if I were a Jays player I would find it hard to forgive A-Rod for what he did and IF A-Rod does join up with the Jays theres gonna be heat in the clubhouse. Also did you read what I said about the Jays' salary?
Posted by: Jays Believer 92,93 | October 30, 2007 at 03:47 PM
Special FNK I doubt Ted Rogers would put more money into the team for A-Rod but he SHOULD put more money for a championship team. I doubt Rogers would put in a signifciantly higher amount since it wouldn't be good for his company and well all know Ted cares way more about his company then the Jays
Posted by: Jays Believer 92,93 | October 30, 2007 at 03:51 PM
"But why would ARod want to play for the Giants where he'll likely miss the postseason?"
The answer lies in your question.
Posted by: themfightnwords | October 30, 2007 at 04:59 PM
But why would A-Rod wanna goto the NL when he knows that the AL is the dominant half of the MLB. A-Rod wants a Championship and he wants one now. He knows that he can't carry a team on his back (e.g Rangers and Yankees)A-Rod needs a team thats in place to win one soon and now. He doesnt want to be in the NL where winning the World Series is honestly a LONGSHOT.
Posted by: JasonV | October 30, 2007 at 07:47 PM
What's this NL as a longshot to win the world series stuff. The NL has won 3 of the last 7 World Series.
I wouldn't call 1 WS win over .500 dominance.
Posted by: tmar | October 30, 2007 at 09:17 PM
"He doesnt want to be in the NL where winning the World Series is honestly a LONGSHOT"
Actually, going to the weaker league would make his chances better... dumbass. Is it easier to beat a good AL team in a short series, or work your way through the entire regular season in the AL, and then have to beat two high quality AL teams, and then win the WS? For somebody who projected their idea as if it were genius, it really doesnt make much sense.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 30, 2007 at 09:29 PM
two things: 1) teams are saying this and that to drive the negotatiations down. But make no mistake, this free agent market is bad and enough teams will really want Arod that someone will pay up.
2) He's not a fit for teh Blue Jays. Yes, maybe this year and the next we can afford 30 million...but 9 years and 30 million or whatever it is is too much, they're not in it. Too bad we can't have him for 2 years and 60 million...we need the O at shorstop bad.
Posted by: Guitar Hero | October 30, 2007 at 09:37 PM
" I'm against spending that $7MM per year on any manager. Manny Acta makes half a million bucks, he's just as good."
I must have missed when Acta made the play-offs 13 times in a row with 4 World Series in there.
I need to pay closer attention.
oh wait, I see, he's "as good" because you SAY so.
Posted by: nybass | October 30, 2007 at 09:52 PM
What do you guys think of a Cubs-Angels trade of Ramirez for Figgins + E. Santana + Prospect, freeing third base for ARod. LA has already stated they don't want ARod for whatever reasons (never had many players who see an "I" in team, to use a cliche) and Ramirez would provide good protection for Guerrero. LA doesn't need much pitching and doesn't seem to want Figgins for the last years of his contract.
A lot of this depends n Mark Cuban buying the Cubs, but if he does I think this is more likely than ARod going to the Angels. For ARod, Wrigley is the ultimate launching pad, and bringing the Cubs to the World Series would get anyone into the Hall of Fame (except Jason Kendall...)
Posted by: RandomScrub | October 30, 2007 at 10:19 PM
My money is on San Francisco, The Giants need a replacement for Barry Bonds to fill the seats, and wouldn't it be ironic for Rodriguez's chase of Bonds' career home run mark to take place in San Francisco?
I found a betting line that has the Chicago Cubs as the most likely team to get him but the Cubs' current unknown ownership situation might make it tough to offer A-Rod the big bucks without knowing who will sign the checks.
Posted by: GeorgeF | November 02, 2007 at 03:12 PM