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By Tim Dierkes [November 10, 2007 at 7:28pm CST]
Some more submissions from Mark Healey at Gotham Baseball Magazine that I'd like to sift through:
- The first is the Yanks and Mets mutual interest in Indians catching prospect Kelly Shoppach. According to Mark, scouts around the league view Shoppach as "one of the best up-and-coming prospects" in baseball. Says Mark, "The Mets' needs are more immediate, as their interest in Yankees' backstop Jorge Posada are a bit 'overblown' said one agent." The report goes on to note that GM Mark Shapiro is not looking to deal Shoppach but would listen if Aaron Heilman or Mike Pelfrey. I simply don't see Shoppach, an already 27-year-old, as having displayed enough to merit a deal for either of them. Dealing a to-date backup catcher for pitching with upside is not common practice...
- In the same report, Mark Healey mentions Omar Minaya's interest is primarily for starter Cliff Lee, an intriguing starter to imagine in the NL.
- Finally, Gotham Baseball reports on the Brewers' serious interest in Carl Crawford. The Dev... sorry, The Rays obviously have no interest in trade pieces Ben Sheets or Chris Capuano, both too "pricey", says Healey. Meanwhile, the Yanks have reportedly expressed interest in both, so the Brewers and Rays will be trying to get the Yankees involved. If nothing else, this is a fun one to imagine.
Makes for great speculation.
I can't believe the Yanks would want either. If they are interested in Ben Sheets then they should enshrine Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright in Monument Park.
Posted by: HoratioAlgae | November 10, 2007 at 07:50 PM
I'd definitely be interested in kicking the tires on Capuano. If he recovers he'd be a solid #2 in the NL.
Posted by: tmar | November 10, 2007 at 07:51 PM
I would have figured the Devil Rays name change would have increased their marketing revenues tenfold, allowing them to have a $100mm payroll. Maybe it will just take a few months.
Posted by: st1ckboy | November 10, 2007 at 08:00 PM
wouldn't Crawford make a good fit in Cleveland (even better than Bay), where he can provide a younger Lofton-type in left? Josh Barfield and Cliff Lee would seem like a win-win deal to me...
Posted by: jodroke | November 10, 2007 at 08:07 PM
Barfield and Lee? I understand it for Cleveland but what's the incentive for Tampa to make that deal?
Posted by: brewersfan729 | November 10, 2007 at 08:11 PM
The Rays need a 2B, and Barfield is going to be a good one... It doesn't have to be Lee, just some major league ready-pitching help... if hes good enough for the Mets, hes got to be good enough for the Rays, right?
Posted by: jodroke | November 10, 2007 at 08:40 PM
jodroke, Is that sarcasm? Because it's not very good logic. The Mets are a different team in a different situation in a different league than the Rays. Lee has gone downhill since 2005, he would be the 7th best option for the rotation at best next year.
Barfield could be a good one as you said, but he's not going to be the star that Crawford is. Plus, the Rays are moving Iwamura to 2nd, so that's not a big need for them.
Trying to trade two guys coming off of horrible years with limited upside for a young, cheap All-Star caliber player is absurd.
Posted by: raysrule07 | November 10, 2007 at 09:38 PM
If were going to throw out silly trade ideas --
Then why don't the Rays trade the Jays Crawford for Jesse Litch ? If he was good enough to be their bat-boy for four years then wouldn't they want him as their pitcher for the next four years ??? Makes sense to me !
Plus the Jays could get Crawford !!! Which would definetly increase their tickets sales by at least one ticket as far as i can tell.
Posted by: BaseBallz | November 10, 2007 at 09:52 PM
Barfield and Lee for crawford
Jesse Listach for Crawford
Ok, seriously has last comic standing moved MLBTR, cause i must have missed the signup.
Posted by: bravesbeast | November 10, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Why aren't they yanks trying to get some relievers. Capuan o and Sheets are Pavano 2.0 Why not try to acquire chad cordero from the nationals for Johnny Damon. The nats need a center fielder, and I bet Cordero is going to get expensive in arbitration soon. Wouldn't this deal make sense? also they CAN NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT trade Melky. He is god.
Posted by: Melkman28 | November 10, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Who would the Rays want in return from Milwaukee for Crawford?
Posted by: Lidocaine | November 10, 2007 at 10:33 PM
Crawford should fetch a little more than Tex I think. They're different type players (power vs speed) but their value/caliber is around the same.
I say Crawford fetches more because Tampa Bay has him signed for cheap through 2010. Barfield and Lee? Please. That'll get laughed at.
Since the Rays want pitching, it has be a young, elite prospect. Gallardo + one or two others (LaPorta?) is something that might interest Tampa Bay.
The 3-way trade with NY/Mil/TB won't work for the same reason all the other major NY trades are being shot down: Cashman won't trade Hughes/Joba/Kennedy.
Crawford will have to go to MIL, Sheets + someone will have to go to NY, and my guess is TB will demand one of the "trinity" and that'll kill the trade.
If MIL wants Crawford that badly, they should just offer Gallardo and get it over with.
As for relievers: would Jim Bowden really trade Cordero for Damon? Then again, it is Bowden...
NY would be better served giving Wood/Prior one year, incentive laden contracts if they hit FA. Cox/Beam/Melancon should be up soon.
Posted by: henry14theking | November 10, 2007 at 11:00 PM
Probably could start with Gallardo.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 10, 2007 at 11:02 PM
I bet Bowden would ask for Joba or Phil Hughes for Chad Cordero. Just to start. The man is a drunken greedy lunatic.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 10, 2007 at 11:04 PM
The Brewers won't trade Gallardo for Crawford. If there's no third team involved then there's no Crawford in Milwaukee.
Posted by: brewersfan729 | November 10, 2007 at 11:17 PM
Here's my idea for getting Crawford in a Brewers jersey: Bill Hall and Manny Parra. Parra is a good pitching prospect and Hall could play shortstop for them until they can call up Reid Brignac. Now that I think about it this deal makes so much sense. Crawford, and Weeks at the top of the order, Fielder, Braun, Hart, Hardy in the middle of the order. Thats real good.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 10, 2007 at 11:26 PM
No, it does not at all make good sense scribble stone. The Rays are not going to take a player who is older than carl crawford, especially one that is not close to the same level as crawford. Do you want to know what it would take to get crawford? Probably close to what it would take to get cabrera.
Now, the brewers and rays actually are good trading partners when you think about it. The rays always want good young cheap pitching, and they have made it known they want a defensive shortstop. Umm, duh. The asking price for crawford would be J.J. Hardy and Yovani Gallardo, which is a fair price to start at by the devil rays for crawford. Crawford is only gonna be traded for the rays to fill their needs, and it is going to have to be quality guys to feel those needs. If the brewers are not willing to give up hardy and gallardo, no chance they get crawford. It is as simple as that. I wish some of these posters on this site would quit trying to make things work when it is obvious they are just making themselves look stupid. Quantity instead of quality does not makes sense when it comes to cabrera and crawford, it is that simple.
Posted by: bravesbeast | November 11, 2007 at 12:23 AM
Heck, that trade actually does make even more sense when you consider that if the brewers want crawford bad enough, they have a replacement for jj hardy in bill hall, having him play shortstop and carl crawford taking over in center.
Posted by: bravesbeast | November 11, 2007 at 12:42 AM
"The asking price for crawford would be J.J. Hardy and Yovani Gallardo, which is a fair price to start at by the devil rays for crawford."
There's absolutely no chance that the Brewers give up Hardy and Gallardo for Crawford.
Since when did an outfielder with an .820 OPS become this valuable?
Posted by: brewersfan729 | November 11, 2007 at 12:45 AM
when he became the 'face of the franchise' I guess
Posted by: wihargo | November 11, 2007 at 01:35 AM
when he became the 'face of the franchise' I guess.
Posted by: wihargo | November 11, 2007 at 01:35 AM
The asking price for Carl Crawford is that because carl crawford is a 26 year old outfielder who regularly hits around .300, has an OBP around .350, and slugs close to .450, now that equates to a .820 OPS.
OH...
lets not forget that outfielder can hit in any one of the top 3 spots in the lineup, can steal 60 bases, can play gold glove defense, has never caused a bit of trouble, and has been one hell of a teammate
Dude, there are a ton of statistics that crawford is very good at instead of just being an .820 OPS guy, that along with his speed, age, defense, and very very below market contract is what makes him worth gallardo and hardy. There is no one on the market who can match his speed, defense, and age, so the Drays can ask for plenty of quality in return for him.
Good grief people, some of you need to get a clue.
Posted by: bravesbeast | November 11, 2007 at 01:42 AM
and that is an excellant arguement as to why they should keep the guy.
Posted by: wihargo | November 11, 2007 at 01:46 AM
Oh i agree, with all the prospects they have coming up, they can definitely afford crawford until 2011 it makes perfect sense for them to keep and trade either baldelli or gomes and get some relivers or veteran starters in return. Let Delmon and Crawford be there for when all the young pitchers and position players are ready to contribute. That is why I am saying that if the Rays are going to trade Crawford, it is going to take a nice return, and gallardo and hardy are the return that it will take for milwakee to get crawford.
Posted by: bravesbeast | November 11, 2007 at 01:51 AM
Settle down guys. This is Mark Healy we're getting worked up over. This guy hasn't had a rumor come true in I don't know how long. He's about as bad as Bill Madden.
Posted by: BurgerKing | November 11, 2007 at 08:52 AM
Bill Madden is pretty bad.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 11, 2007 at 11:06 AM
Healy has zero credibility. His claim to fame is that he announced the Mets' signing of Moises Alou. Of course he did that during the wrong year! That is, one year too soon. I don't get why you continue to give his drivel exposure. The guy knows nothing!!!!
Posted by: DG | November 11, 2007 at 11:49 AM
bravesbeast, as a Rays fan I don't think it would take Hardy and Gallardo to get Crawford. However, one of them would be required. If it were Hardy, a top, MLB-ready prospect would also be required, such as Manny Parra, and maybe even a little more. If it were Gallardo, then maybe throwing in Bill Hall gets it done.
Posted by: raysrule07 | November 11, 2007 at 12:50 PM
Maybe they could meet evenly, so instead of a low offer like parra and hall, and instead of a high offer like gallardo and hardy, how about meet in the middle like raysrule said, and offer parra and hardy, and gallardo and hall, you either get two very good young players, or one elite pitching prospect and a good sorta young player. There is no way Crawford is worth nearly the same as Cabrera. Cabrera will fetch 3 top prospects, Crawford will fetch 1, maybe 2 if the bidding gets more heated
Posted by: scribbletone | November 11, 2007 at 02:10 PM