Cubs Considering So Taguchi?

Noooooooooooooooooo!

I know the team wants to wait until the new ownership is in place and all, but Hendry really, really, really needs to fired before he pull off some of the insane things he apparently wants to do. Its to the point where its pretty hard to even figure out what he is trying to accomplish here...

This would be just stupid. Signing someone to sign someone makes no sense. Murton deserves to be the 4th outfielder IMHO.

Taguchi's biggest strength is that he doesnt have a firm grasp of the English Language. Or, at least he didnt in 2005. He came in as a replacement for Larry Walker and had the sweet look of ignorance when we hurtled insults at him, where as Walker looked grumpy, but that could have just been Walkers face.

Murton to KC for Gobble - if only for the really cool gobble noises they would blast on the pa when he enters the game.

I believe Taguchi is better than Murton, too...but he's probably going to cost more, too...What kind of deal is he looking for?

I also would agree with Taguchi over Murton. With left field and right field accounted for, the Cubs need a 4th outfielder that can catch the ball. Murton will NEVER have a position that he will even be adequate at, and he does not have enough power to overcome his lack of defense.

Taguchi is 38 yrs. old, I had no idea he was that old. Will turn 39 July 2 next season.

I think a lot of the 2B interest from the Cubs comes from the fact that DeRosa is a pretty bad fielder at the position, provides only LgAvg numbers and I imagine the team thinks he wont be able to replicate the higher OBP peak he experienced last year. If he hits .290/.340/.420ish it still wouldn’t be absolutely horrible, but when coupled with the bad D at the position you are looking at a hole you need to fill. Kaz Matsui of course isn’t a better option for 2B because he cant hit his weight away from Coors field. I think Tadahito Iguchi (atleast he has nice D to go with his DeRosa like numbers at the plate) would be a great option if they could get him cheap enough, or of course Roberts would be ideal but will cost a pretty penny in prospects. The problem here is the fact that they will need to over-pay with either prospects or cash to fill a yet another hole on the club, a sad trend you can see happening with this team…

DeRosa is a really interesting guy. He doesn’t hit that great at all, just good enough to intrigue people. In the end he ends up about Average… He isn’t a good fielder at really any position, but can play them all. He is kind of the halfass-fixall type guy you keep around to plug in quickly at any hole you have develop over the season I guess… I dont blame the Cubs for not wanting him to be a full-timers again in 08.

As a Cardinals fan, I hope and pray that you sign that worthless pos. I was pumped the day I found out he wouldn't be back, but I think this will top it. A very crappy player going to a very crappy franchise. It just makes sense.

sls_47 - you're an idiot. Go back down the hole you crawled out of.

News Flash: The Cubs are not looking at Taguchi to play 2B, but to be their 4th OF! And he would be a good one.

Angel Pagan would be a better option as 4th outfielder. Taguchi is a waste and is old. Makes no sense.

"Great description of DeRosa darkstar. I really do believe that when Hendry signed him last year, it was with the super utility role in mind."

...But then you have to question why they paid him so much cash. He is set to make 10.3M over the next 2 years :\ Its like they only realized after the fact what everyone else already knew about DeRosa...

Like I said in my first post here; Hendry really, really, really needs to be fired...

And Ben, not a single person said/implied/thought they were looking at So to play 2B. My post was to the CubsWin guy who brought up the 2B-need/DeRosa stuff…

Fukudome said one of the reasons he came to the Cubs was they promised him RF ONLY...no CF. Pagan's health must really not improved or Lou does not like him. Taguchi as the 4th outfielder is not bad. I think Murton will not be the 4th outfilder. He will be part of some trade before the season starts.

Oh the beauty of Trolls…Ok CubsWinWhatever,

DeRosa had a 3.88 RFg and 4.23 RF9 at 2B compared to 4.23 RFg and 4.86 RF9 being average. That’s horrible… He also only had about 25ish PutOuts at 3B and RF, ie he didn’t spend much time/have many chances in those positions. At 3B he did ok, in RF he wasn’t that hot. For his career, he is a sub-par fielder at 3B, sub-par fielder at 2B, sub-par at SS, and average to below average in the OF. Not sure where ya get your info there, but you couldn’t be farther off the mark.

As far as your clutch thing… What does that even mean? Ok, one year he did really good? So what, so did Casey Blake despite him having every single Tribe fan ready to shoot him if he came up in the clutch years prior. Its something which does not translate year to year ~ it changes constantly. If you try to build a team around “clutch” guys, you will have one crappy, crappy team…

Also, nope ~ youre wrong. I didn’t spend hours bashing Mamrol yesterday, I spent a few mins while at work in a runaround argument with a child who didn’t like the fact that there are an endless amount of examples of young relievers dominating for one year before becoming rather average and that the top-20-relievers in the game see 17 or so names change each and every year. Bias Cubs fans of course don’t like to hear that a reliever who did something special one year out of his entire career isn’t exactly something to have wet-dreams over though, so of course they argued against baseball history…

So was never worthless. As a Cardinal fan, if it was not for So, we don't advance to the World Series in '06. The man did more than you could ever ask for. Shame on the Cardinal fan that belittled him in this thread.

So is still a decent back-up. His glove slipped a lot but he kept his average up as a spot starter. Finished the year .290 or so.

I hope he passes on the Cubs, as a Cards fan, no offense to the Cubs fans, though I'm sure you could relate. Regardless of the jersey he dons, he'll receive nothing by standing ovations when he comes back to town.

Last comments to you, darkhole1661.

1. No one is reading your essays.
2. Every single Cubs player is awesome. (Ooh I can hear your blood boiling.)
3. and again, when did you see Carlos Marmol pitch last year? I know the answer to that one. Because if you had, you'd have noticed Pujols, Rolen, and Edmunds flailing at that wicked slider that starts over the plate and finishes two feet outside.
4. And finally I have nothing against the Indians, but because of you I hope Detroit blasts your Cleveland ass next year.
5. Good night, Irene.

I agree, I would LOVE to see the Cubbies get Blanton. Love it. I really think Gallegher has a chance to be a #3 type of pitcher two years from now though...I am going to hate to give him up.

Taguchi is an excellent defender. Angel Pagan and Matt Murton are HORRIBLE defensive players. So stop comparing their defense. Pagan and Murton also cannot play fundamental baseball. That's Taguchi's entire game.

Second, if you've been following what is happening in the Venezuelan Winter League, Felix Pie has stunk it up to the tune of .239 and gotten himself benched. If his new batting approach personally taught by Gerald Perry and Lou Piniella can't succeed in Venezuela, there's no chance he will succeed in the majors.

The Cubs really need to get an everyday CF, but the options at this point aren't good. So it looks like they are hoping Fuld or Pie somehow put up decent enough numbers to get by, but want to cover their bases with a good glove outfielder who plays fundamental ball, meaning bunt, move the runners over, run the bases well, throw to the right bases, etc. Taguchi would provide cheap insurance, and as an added benefit, he is a Japanese player with several years of MLB service time that could make Fukudome's transition go more smoothly.

Just imagine you went to play in Japan, or any country where you do not speak the language. Not only is language a barrier, but the game itself is slightly different in the other country. Then add that when you are running the bases or going after a fly ball, your coaches/teammates are yelling at you in language you do not understand. Having someone who has been through that, who speaks both languages and will take the time to pass along knowledge would be priceless.

Anyone dismissing that value to Taguchi isn't thinking clearly.

“Darkstar, you are an idiot if you think paying a guy who can play almost every position as well as hit .293 .371 .420, isn't worth 10 mil over 2 years”

…So it is intelligent to pay 5M/YR to a LgAvg hitter you plan to use as a bench guy just because he can be a below average fielder at multiple positions? Arent those positions usually fielded by LgMin guys you call up from AAA? But ok, whatever ya say man…

“Dark, give me a list of guys in their rookie year who pitched the same amount of innings as Marmol and ended up with a 1.43 era. Please. I've asked you to do this for 2 days now...please do it. Otherwise, shut the hell up.”

…Oh yeah, I’m sorry ~ all I could do was provide a list I spent 2 mins on where I found 7 or 8 pitchers who provided equal to better numbers, albeit in 10-20 less IP but 50+ fewer innings in their career to that point. See, the guys I listed only pitched about 50Innings but didn’t have 70+ the year before… But whatever, just keep trying to act like no young pitchers ever dominate only to see mediocre careers afterward. Youre doing a great job of ignoring truth so far!

“2. Every single Cubs player is awesome. (Ooh I can hear your blood boiling.)”

…hahaha, nope ~ its amusing because the Cubs fans that franticly deny baseball history really believe stuff like this! I sat and listed to one go on and on and on about how the Braves should have traded Salty for Sean Marshall and Matt Murton! Its really, really pitiful ~ and every couple days you see posters complaining about the horrible, horrible Cubs bias displayed on the board; I’m just not afraid to confront it.

Last time I checked, League Average guys weren't hitting .291 with a .370 OBP...right? Am I wrong? Thats not truth, its ignorance of truth. Then throw in the fact that he can play 5 positions and backup basically your whole team in a pinch...and he is EXTREMELY valuable. Anyone who watched the Cubs last years knows how valuable he was. Anyone. You are obviously not one of those people, and again, ignorant of truth.

By the way, again, HOW IS THAT LIST COMING? GET IT YET? Didn't think so...so please, do us all a favor and shut up and go away. You show yourself as a pathetic loser who lives to get on Cubs posts and say how bad all the players are. Is that really what you do in your spare time??? Really? How sad your life must be!

Darkstar,
DeRosa has been slightly above average the last 2 years offensivively though you are right about his defense - I think it was a good signing by Hendry. You have to have a player like that on this team for Ramirez and his typical 140 game season and for the other positions he can cover. I don't know why you want to get caught up on how much he makes - a contract $$$ amount only bothers me if it hinders your ability to make other moves. I am not Henry's biggest fan either but you make this type of move to give yourself more flexibility - now he can trade for a guy like Roberts but he is not forced into it.

ADun, the fact that his OPS+ is 102 means he hit right about LgAvg. His OBP was higher than it normally is, generally he is a .340-.350 OBP guy ~ and LgAvg in Chi was .347 last year. The BA might be a little higher, but the Slg is much lower than normal so… Oh and his OPS was perfectly LgAvg last year ~ .791 to *LgAvg .791… But what was your point again? Oh, is he valuable to a team? Sure, I guess because he can play multiple positions (albeit with bad Def) ~ but is he valuable to the tune of 5M/YR? I don’t think so when you can probably find a starting middle-infielder with LgAvg hitting and atleast LgAvg D for somewhere around that…

Oh yeah, and “I WANT A LIST”, WHERES MY LIST”, “GIVE ME A LIST” ~ blah blah blah blah blah. Is that all you can ever say? Dude, you have a list I made in a matter of seconds of guys in their rookie year (meaning they didn’t pitch 70+ innings the year prior) who put up similar to better numbers from the pen. If you want a list, try making one counting how many times you say the same thing without ever getting close to making a point ~ you just ignore those which make sense afterall. Like I said in the other thread, so sorry the guys I listed didn’t wear the same jock-strap or share the same manicurist ~ you trying to dismiss them because of it though just makes you look more and more like a bias whinny little child who refuses to accept the world if it doesn’t suit their fantasies.

DeRosa brings a .350 to .380 OBP to a team STARVING for it! His OBP last year was .370. The cubs will GLADLY shell out 5 mil for that...every day of the week. How many guys do you know that play every infield position, and can play left and right field as well, while hitting around .290 with an OBP around .350 to .380? And you don't think thats worth 5 mil? Thats moronic. And his contract was for 3\13...so he average is 4.33, and he earned way more than that last year.

And regarding the list. You can't do it, can you? Hahahahaha! I knew it. It has to just piss you off that you can't do it. You want to shut me up SO BAD...but you can't, because you can't make that list. Nice. Again, pathetic. Go to an Indians thread or something, stop proving over and over what a loser you are!

lets see . taguchi played his heart out for st louis as a fourth player and came in during the late part of the games prepared . he was never paid more than a million and i never heard a single complaint among card fans about him until he was released (sour grapes ?)he plays all OF positions and only committed three errors as an OF . from what i have heard from the card fans around me that he is replaceable but he will be missed for him being a team player , versitilty , and his heart . he is exactly what the cubs should be looking for if they plan on using 1 to 1.5 million on a fourth OF . and food for thought , if derosa went down for an extended amount of time who would play second ? thats why the cubs should go after roberts to play second . if i remember right , the orioles are looking to find a closer .... why not include dempster in the deal to try and pry roberts and /or beddard from the orioles .

Dark, it really shouldnt be this difficult...but ill say it for the 10th time. give me a list of relievers in their first full year that pitched AS MANY innings as Marmol with the same ERA or lower. I dare you. Also, I DARE YOU to name one team that wouldn't want him. One.

DeRosa provides an OBP of at least .350 and he is now in his prime, showing it last year with a .371. Will he hit that again? Maybe, probably safer to assume one in the .350 to .360 one. Is that worth 4.3 mil? Absolutely. From the 2nd base hole and a guy that can play pretty much every position...that easily is worth it. Every team LOVES to have a guy that can back up for everybody or play 2nd base and hit .290 with a .370 OBP. Your argument sucks, bottom line. Again, you should actually WATCH SOME GAMES and figure out why he is worth it. I don't know one Cubs fan that isn't happy to have him. Not one.

Hey ignorant of truth, how is that list coming?

And ADun,

Whats got your panties in a twist now? So now you just want a list of guys who pitched 70+ innings with an ERA under 6.08 and WHIP under 1.688 in their first year? Seriously, that’s all you’ve ever wanted? Shoot, the hardest part of finding that would probably come in the fact that I don’t think many guys would have been kept in the majors for 70+IP sporting a 6+ ERA and 1.6+ WHIP in their rookie year ~ but I guess I’ll give it a shott… :\ Man you need to get a clue…

hahaha, man youre pathetic...

…hahaha...

This is my final statement on the DeRosa thing. I am going to try real hard to move on after this.

DeRosa signed a 3 year deal 13 mil deal to be the cubs 2nd baseman. After a year of playing 6 yes 6 differnt positions for the cubs its decided that he can be an every day player but not play 1 position primarly. He can be the guy who gives days off. That in itself is worth every penny of his contract.

I think of the phrase jack of all trades and master of none. How many guys are there they can play MLB baseball in 6 different positions as well as he did? I am very happy he is on the team. IF he is happy being that guy then I say bring in Roberts. As long as we dont have to give up the farm to get him. But if not then have him be the primary 2nd baseman. Then have Cedeno, Fontano, Theriot fight to play the other middle infield/bench roles.

and to quote Forrest Gump.. Thats all I gots to say about that. Sorry for the typo's but dinner is waiting. Have a good evening and play nice.

BTW I feel that Marmol is not a trade chip, unless its Santana or maybe Nathan if we dont have to give too much else. Period.

Cubs World Champs please B4 I die,

Deal. And I agree, having a guy that play 6 positions as well as he does is worth 4.3 mil alone. End of story.

I also would only trade Marmol if he is the centerpiece of a trade that brings back a Blanton or better type of pitcher.

And Adun,
(Had this typed up earlier today because I knew what your next post would be ~ youre rather predictable…)

No I’m not going to provide yet another list because its just pointless. No matter what I post you will complain that some minor little detail of it is wrong because you just refuse to accept reality. I gave you exactly 8 relievers who had lower ERA and/or WHIP in 50ish or more innings in their rookie years ~ it was the 8 guys I looked up real quickly off the ESPN rookie rankings and it didn’t take me but all of 2 mins to find. Why did they only have 50ish innings? Well, because it was their rookie year you idiot! Had they pitched 70 innings in the majors the previous year, they too probably would have had the 10-15 more IP you are ranting and raving that they needed to pitch to qualify. As it stands, they didn’t get called up right away and didn’t have a chance for more… I’m not going to waste my time looking at more stats trying to find second year guys who are rookies (yeah, that’s pretty much what you are asking for :\ ) just to find even more guys just because you don’t want to believe that it happens all the time ~ you aren’t worth it.

And then, I also mentioned a pitcher who pitched 20 more innings last year who had a similar ERA and better WHIP in his rookie season but you have completely ignored that guy haven’t ya? Yeah, Peter Moylan had a rather similar season to Marmol last year when he with 90IP with a 1.80ERA and 1.067 WHIP in his rookie year. Does that mean he should be traded straight up for Roberts? Does that mean he packaged with Matt Murton would have teams tripping over themselves offering Blanton or Bedard? Or what about Lee Gardner? He pitched 74IP with a 1.94 ERA and 1.211 WHIP in 07 in his rookie season. Should he be the number one guy everyone targets when they are looking for young bullpen guys? Shoot, it’s the first time Heath Bell went over 47IP so he was kind of a rookie last year I guess, all he did was post a 2.02 ERA and .0961 WHIP in 94IP ~ maybe he is the real guy everyone would be drooling over. Or if we are are allowed to include Bell types and are just going for young guys getting one of their first real shots to stick with the big club maybe we could include Rafael Soriano who posted a .0861 WHIP in 72IP last year. He’s about the same age as the others and sports a dismal 1.025 career WHIP in 243IP which blows Marmols 2007 1.068 over 69IP mark out of the water.

…Relievers ~ the one thing there are always plenty of in the minors to be had if you give them a chance, just don’t count on them for more than 3-4 years because that’s their shelf-life. Don’t know what else to tell you, but we all know they don’t hold a ton of value in trade until they have a bunch of years of high-level experience because there just are so many great ones out there waiting for their 15Mins of fame before hitting the “whatever happened to that guy” lists…

Hahaha, such a child… I tell ya, it would almost be cute if I didnt know you were over the age of 5...

I am now actually ignorant of ignorant of truth! You are right, its freeing!

Darkstar = Ignorant of truth.

"No I’m not going to provide yet another list"

Hahahahahah!

Darkstar = Ignorant of truth.

"No I’m not going to provide yet another list"

Hahahahahah!

Sorry Mr. Aduncaroo, I didn't realize you were still up.

now are you pissed? i've accepted reality, or whatever you conceive reality to be.

im pissed that you put cub fans in as a stereotypical illogical fan base. while you sit 500 miles away and try to tell us stats. and talk about ranting and runaround, are you serious?! what the hell are you trying to prove by talking about cubs fans like this? if you dont like the cubs stories/threads, then suck it up, and dont read them. they dont pertain to you.

and jacque + murton + cedeno would have been a GREAT trade for Salty, darkstar. duh.

Ok, looks like we may have found someone who can put two sentences together! Yay…

First, nah ~ at work its easy to find 5 mins to type up a post, and the holidays make for some long workdays... :\ Then Tues-Thurs me and the GF have alternating schedules where it leaves us with about 1-1.5 hours of time tied up while I wait to pick her up ~ holidays also leave her in no position to drive, but what can ya do :\ Having a PC phone means I may end up on a board if I’m just stuck waiting in the car or wondering around the mall until she gets off… Also a real fast typer which helps quite a bit ~ something forced upon me at a young age for my job… But whatever, if that kinda stuff is important to you all I guess you now know it…

Second, the list is in another thread, it had guys like M.Gonzalez, Otsuka, Hensley, etc who dominated in their first year to see only fair to good numbers in followup. And no one ever compared anyone’s stuff to anyone elses ~ it was always about value and the fact that relievers rarely hold much at all in trade because you always see so many of them dominating early in their careers. The likelihood of a reliever following up amazing stats is really slim, shoot even the Bill James projections ADun usually lives by calls for a 4+ ERA and bigtime regression. Giving the flip-side to the feelings some Cubs fans have about Marmol though, well it doesn’t generally sit too well obviously…

Third, I didn’t really say anything about DeRosa’s salary other than 10M/2YR (whats left on his deal) for a guy you plan to play off the bench is questionable. Never understood how that became so much of the conversation ~ but whatever… One game makes him worth every penny? Also question that statement, bigtime ~ but hey, maybe some CubsFans really feel that kind of stuff?

Lastly, never did I say that all Cubs fans talk nothing but gibberish ~ and Cubz has actually been great to talk with here. There are a couple though who do struggle to make sense or only give you the utmost fantasy filled evaluations when talking about their players ~ its what has led to so many posters complaining about their illogical trade proposals and theories every couple of days in random threads. I posted here originally explaining the Cubs looking into another 2B, and what I said about DeRosa was confirmed by multiple posters ~ but apparently its out of line to answer a persons question with the truth and that warrants children running around in circles for hours? Ahh, whatever ~ to each their own I guess.

And hey, its all great fun anyway when you are bored at work or stuck on a park-bench in the freezing cold ~ where else can you watch people struggle so much trying to come up with a logical response to actual facts. Listening to CubsWorldWhatever proclaim DeRosa to be an amazing fielder or ADun’s telling us that he will possibly give a .380 OBP is the stuff of legend… I have no problem at all being a jerk on a message board if a person cant show anything even resembling truth in the face of facts… And I don’t get pissed at all, me and my GF get some good laughs out of it quite often :)

Any more Cubs fans out there want to complain? I dont mind, bring it all on...

cleveland isnt 500 miles from chicago.....

in all honesty, some of you guys are looking at what he originally posted all wrong. by now, its gotten completely out of hand. originally, he was just trying to simply state, before some of you put marmol in the HOF, look at some of these guys with SIMILAR numbers, hes not guaranteed to repeat his great success from last yeawr. does everyone in the league want marmol?? probably yes. is he a sure thing for an under 2.00 era next year? no. Can he post that again, he sure can. i dont see why some of you got all in a tizzy about someone simply stating the fact that he MAY regress.

trober, you aren't totally seeing what he was saying. He literally said Marmol has next to no value to any other team because of relievers that threw 20 or more innings less than he did, many of whom had a higher era. That doesn't back that up. K-Rod is his most comparable player, and anyone that has watched him knows this. Seriously, is anyone disputing that? There isn't one team in baseball that wouldn't LOVE to have him, and everyone, including other teams, view him as a future shut down closer.

"How about Michael Wurtz's #'s in that department?"

I have said he may be the most overlooked reliever in all of baseball, and I don't really know why. Isn't he #1 on that list, and Marmol was #2? Or maybe the other way around? All I know is that with Wurtz, Marmol, Wood, Howry, Lehay, and Ascanio, we have more than options. I love that mix of guys, even if Wood goes down again. Roberts or Blanton, or leave the team alone.

Bleecher ~ Hey, great post! Thank ya, was nice to see someone actually acknowledge that there is just a little bit of history to this game... I understand completely why Cubs fans (or any other fans with a similar player on their team) would feel the way they do about a young hurler, and I respect that completely. Its just when you have people unwilling to believe that similar players come and go quicker than the newspaper yelling and screaming he is the best reliever in baseball or whatever ~ well, then it gets past logic and into delusional fantasies.

Trober ~ I don’t even live in Cleveland anyways, and I’m not sure if anyone even does know where I live. Its just one of those frantic “well maybe I can attack him this way” type things… But you and a couple other posters seem to understand things on a level others cant seem to grasp so cool deal! Glad to meet ya man, (and others with similar posts of course) it’s a pleasure meeting level headed people…

ADun ~ What I have continued to say is that relievers with one year or less of excellent numbers do not get traded for a great return, no matter how good they are perceived to be. They do however get traded, a lot. An absolutely sick reliever with a couple years of amazing numbers like Rafeal Soriano recently brought Horacio Ramirez. Another who was about to have his amazing season (Cla Meridith) was traded with Josh Bard for Doug Mirabelli. Young relievers ~ they just don’t bring huge return unless they are one of the top closers in the game.

Shoot, there has even been so much mention of the Indians across this thread, but no one else has brought up the fact that they have a reliever with better numbers and really just as nasty if not nastier stuff in Rafael Perez. Would they expect him to bring huge return? Nope. Would they include him in a deal for Haren or Bedard ~ yeah, in a heartbeat, but I cant imagine they would want him as a centerpiece. He’s a sick looking reliever; the Tribe has had a couple of him the last couple years in guys like Fernando Cabrera and Andrew Brown. Cabrera brought nothing, Brown was packaged with a top-prospect for another prospect in Josh Barfield.

ICantBelieveItsNot… ~ Another great post!

…Ya know, I expected to come on here and see a bunch of post like those of that RedBird guy ~ I’m thrilled to see that there are people willing to post with some logic though! Fun stuff, and some great insight into peoples ideas/knowledge was shared ~ I love it…

"Please pay no attention to people mentioning other relievers, because its not the same thing."

...Because one short reliever with one year of success and a horrendous walk rate to go with the K's = surely HOF bound and every teams dream player which they will trade almost anyone for? Is that about what youre saying?

And Rafael Perez (60 IP, 1.78 ERA, .0986 WHIP and 62/15 K/BB) isnt even close to Marmol (69 IP, 1.43 ERA, 1.068 WHIP and 96/35 K/BB), right? I mean, what I was thinking mentioning him, right?

Or its nothing like Fernando Cabrera who saw 2005 produce a 1.23 ERA, .092 WHIP, 68/11 K/BB mark in 51IP in AAA while also posting 30 IP of 1.47 ERA, 1.141 WHIP and 29/11 K/BB in the majors that same year? That’s a combined 82IP of 1.00WHIP, 1.31 ERA and a 97/22 K/BB mark. How could I even begin to think of him! I mean, its nothing like Marmol either, right?

I guess I just forgot that Marmol is just a God amongst men who the baseball world has never seen the likes of because he had great looking stats one year. I mean, that’s about what it boils down to right? And all of it because of that one season? Right? I find that fascinating…

It is also funny that you bring up a pretty much veteran failed reliever (who was a closer instead of a short-reliever, but whatever, right?) with one amazing season surrounded by a couple solid ones who was recently traded with another player for a rather small return (Lidge) in your defense though… Thanks for clearing up the whole likelihood of sustaining amazing numbers thing and providing us with a true level of value we should expect is he is able to produce for a couple years…

Yeah, that’s all I figured you would be able to say…

BTW, what was the projection on him from Bill James again ~ I know you love his stuff so much… 4.0 ERA, only 85K in 81IP and a whopping 44BB? Also a 1.388 WHIP? Humm, yeah I see what you mean about how no one around baseball questions Marmol and his ability…

(From the other thread) “How much did Cordero get?”… hehehe…

Oh yeah, good point… ***rolls eyes***