Kazmir Too Pricey For Rays?

Well, at least by the time Milledge is becoming a star, the Mets can get Kazmir back via free agency.

Kaz isn't represented by Boras. Fans just freaked out when they were seen talking together.

According to Cot's, Kazmir is represented by Brian Peters.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/tampa-bay-devil-rays_112131227267025321.html

I don't think many people outside of ones who may have had him on their fantasy team had a clue what a 2nd half Kazmir had in '07.

The 13-9 record with a 3.48 are still looked upon as a really good season(especially for a pitcher in Tampa Bay) but you take out his month of June and put him on a team that's not a bottom feeder and you are really entering Cy Young qualifications for his '07.

I see no proof that the Mets are willing to shell out the kind of money Kazmir will require.

"I see no proof that the Mets are willing to shell out the kind of money Kazmir will require."

Neither do I, besides the Pedro, Beltran, Wagner signings, and extending Wright and Reyes, and taking on Lo Duca's and Delgado's big contracts, and signing Glavine. Those cheap bums never spend money.

"I see no proof that the Mets are willing to shell out the kind of money Kazmir will require."

Umm...why would they be in the hunt for Santana if they weren't willing to extend him? You think they want to shred their farm for 1 year? How much proof do you need??

Adunc, my assumption here is that devo is one of those Met fans that is mad for no reason, theres tons of them. They call Omar a bum and Wilpon cheap because for 2 whole years in a row we havent given out a monster free agent deal. There is a whole crew of Mets fans who hang out on blogs and bash the Mets and feel sorry for themselves all day. Its sort of pathetic, it also kind of makes me embarrased to be a Met fan, because there are so many spoiled babies, but whatever. I guess 1 succesful season out of like 7 can really make some people spoiled, because now a lot of Met fans think the Mets are the Yankees and should be spending that way. Then they go and bash the Yankees for big spending. Its quite amusing you guys should go to Metsblog and check it out.

Actually I'm a jays fan, and seeing the the mets have had this pitching need for like 3 seasons now and have yet to fix it by signing anyone even remotely meaningful to help the problem. Also I actually think the mets are "in on Santana" so they don't look bad to their fans.

As of right now I really don't see the mets getting Santana and I think they know it. The Mets can't match the prospects the other teams can offer.

nrmax your post made 0 sense at all. How does me saying the mets are not gonna sign a big big money free agent, me saying they are like the yankee's and can sign anyone?

do you even realize what your typing when you do?

ie The Mets are not the Yankee's thus will not get Kazmir.

Not to mention like every top flight player right now I doubt Kazmir will be a free agent. The Rays will deal Kazmir for a load of prospects and the team trading for him will sign him to an extension because the deal will be contingent on that fact.

And as we all know the mets love to waste their prospects in terrible deals, so they will never have the goods to trade for Kazmir.

"Actually I'm a jays fan, and seeing the the mets have had this pitching need for like 3 seasons now and have yet to fix it by signing anyone even remotely meaningful to help the problem. Also I actually think the mets are "in on Santana" so they don't look bad to their fans. "

Well, seeing as how the Mets pitching staff has been very solid for the last 2 seasons, it isnt much of a problem. I am absolutely fine with not having Santana. It almost seems as if you are trying to like take shots at me by saying that the Mets are only in on Santana as a PR move. There is nothing that would make me more happy then if you were right. I want nothing to do with that diva, and his 7 year contract that he wants, and the guys the twins want. I am ready to go into the season as is.

Take shots at the Mets if you want, I mean if it makes you feel better then by all means. The jays peak performance was finishing in second two years ago. Doesnt it stink knowing that all the good players you have will eventually leave and that no matter what you will always be number 3 behind the Yankees and Sox?

By the way, posting the exact same post in two different topics is a stroke of genius. I wish I could be just like you.

hah that was actually an accident, when I posted it went to this weird signup thing where it asks you to put in some url and whatever, so I closed it and thought I posted it in this thread orginaly.

I really don't mean to bash the Mets cause I actually like them.

I do think the Mets interest in Santana is more a PR move then anything. I also think this "I'm a mets fan and we are going to get Kazmir back some day to correct the wrong in trading him" is completely unrealistic

Oh and for the Jays losing their best players to the Yankee's and Red Sox, well lets see we gave the red sox Eric Hinske and Royce Clayton beyond that I don't know who your talking about.

On top of that do you honestly think the Mets would do any better then the Jays in the AL East? Infact I would say the Mets would be a 4th place team behind the Jays in such a division. At least right now.

I think the Mets will spend the money, but they would like to after next year when Pedro and Delgado come off the books. Kazmir in 3 years would be just fine, and Pedro in one, so I'm not really sure what the problem is. I don't think its a PR thing, I just don't think they will with the Derby. The Mets can come in with a slightly lower offer and have a chance though, because you can bet you ass that they would rather him leave the AL. I think its a bit of PR and a bit of hoping their offer is good enough, but if it is, they are going to pay to extend him, and pay a bunch. Like nrmax, I'm not totally sure that its the best way to go, but if they could do it without Reyes, maybe...

but believe me, if Zambrano wasn't a Cub, he would be a Met this offseason. There is no reason why they couldn't get Kazmir as a free agent. Not saying it will happen, but this team really wants a true #1, there just isn't one that isn't going to hurt their future right now. Kazmir as a FA would be just what they are looking for...

"Kazmir in 3 years would be just fine, and Pedro in one, so I'm not really sure what the problem is."

Sorry, that was supposed to be Johan in one...

"Oh and for the Jays losing their best players to the Yankee's and Red Sox, well lets see we gave the red sox Eric Hinske and Royce Clayton beyond that I don't know who your talking about.

On top of that do you honestly think the Mets would do any better then the Jays in the AL East? Infact I would say the Mets would be a 4th place team behind the Jays in such a division. At least right now."

I didnt say they lose all their good players to the Yankees, but they do lose most of their good players leave, not to NYY or BOS, just leave in general, and Toronto is always behind BOS and NYY. You point about the Mets not being able to compete in the AL East is stupid because they dont play in the AL East and their team is built for the NL East. Exactly Dunc, its not like the Mets dont want another good pitcher, they just arent willing to pay anything Minnesota or Baltimore wants for one. If Bedard or Johan were free agents, the Mets would be throwing huge dollars at them. The Mets were in big time with Dice-K and Zito, can you blame them for not landing one of those guys? The Sox and Giants came in with huge offers to those 2 guys respectively.

About Delgado, I also agree, next year he, El Duque, Alou, Pedro come off the books. I think that as long as Pedro stays healthy he will probably get a 2/34 kind of extension from the Mets. But even still, that frees up some money to throw around at the top free agents without really spiking your team payroll.

Is anyone convinced that Toronto is even the 3rd place team in the AL East this year? I think it's pretty clear that pre-season we're looking at Boston in 1st, Yanks in 2nd and Baltimore in last place.

However, the D-Rays have a couple of things working for them:

1) In general they are a young team, so you would expect the youngsters to get better.
2) They have made a couple of shrewd offseason moves in landing Garza to solidify the rotation and bringing in Percy to shore up the bullpen.

Additionally, as far as position players go, the Jays are getting old, and thus you'd expect some regression. The only position player I would expect to see progress would be Rios. Do the Jays have any prospects expected to contribute this year (I honestly don't know this, so I'm asking).

My bet is on the D-Rays to climb out of the cellar and right into 3rd place this year.

To be fair, guys like Wells, Thomas, Overbay and a bunch of the Jays good players really werent very good offensively last year. I still dont think that they are in the league of NY or Boston, but still, the Jays are a solid team with a good pitching staff and a high upside offense if they all compete to the level that they are capable of. My Jays bashing was really just to be annoying to Devo, they are a solid team, but it will still be almost impossible for them to overtake boston and NY imo.

I know it's a long shot, but it would be nice to see the cardinals get their hand on him.. He is what were (the cardinals) are looking for...

He is a left handed version of what you already gave up...Haren. You don't deserve him.

-Cubs fan who shudders at the thought of Kazmir in St. Louis

Its pretty silly to say the Jays are an aging team. The only ones you could really say that about is Thomas and Matt Stairs. Glaus seems old because he's hurt a lot and it seems like he's been around forever. He's like what 30-32?

As well I don't think the yankee's are a better team this year. What did the yankee's do to actually improve this offseason? They got Hawkins and they got older. Clearly that makes them better then a team that underachieved last season but beat them the year before.

Any bets on how long its going to take Nrmax to say that the Zambrano for Kazmir trade was a blessing for the Mets? I can sense it building up.

By the way, my opinion on the whole Kazmir trade was that it was a blessing for the Mets.

In all seriousness themfightnwords, I dont know how you can disagree. Jim Duquette was making horrible deal after horrible deal, sort of like Isiah Thomas. If he didnt trade Kazmir, then it would have been Reyes, or Wright, or both. It was a horrible move, but seriously atleast it got Duquette out of there and got the new regime going.

I would hate to see Kasmir in St. Louis. If he goes to the NL I hope its back to the Mets. (If it cant be the Cubs) It would be fun to see him in that park. But I imagine it would be the Dodgers. If Santana is not wanting to go to the West Coast the Dodgers have the Farm to get him. If he becomes a Dodger he could become an instant Cy candidate.

Happy New Year everyone.

Cy Young Candidate due to the park.. I mean.

Cheers

Not due to the park. Due to the league, NL sucks so bad.

There is no way he gets traded within the next 2 years. The Rays are trying to get public support (finance) for a new stadium and the few fans they have will abandon them if he gets traded. They will not support team owners perceived as carpetbaggers.

nrmax88 and the other Mets' fans can get their wetdreams elsewhere. (The Mets collapse in 2007 was a thing or beauty!)

Naah.. the NL has it right. No Designated Hitter!

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