Dutton On DeJesus/Teahen Trade Value

What about DeJesus for Scott Olsen? I've heard that rumor a lot last year when Olsen got his DUI and all that other stuff and the trade almost seems to make too much sense. I know Maybin might play CF but I rather have him in LF and DeJesus in CF with us either trading Willingham for SP or moving him to 1B. I wonder whats Willingham's and Mike Jacobs trade value is at.

"I wonder whats Willingham's and Mike Jacobs trade value is at.
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Jacobs Trade Value - This and a token gets u on the subway.

Willingham Trade Value - A solid double A middle reliever.

Willingham was the 7th best hitting LF last year and 6th best in 2006 via GPA (Which I feel is the best method to judge from a pure bat standpoint since it's essentially runs created with park factors)...and I expect him to move up the list next year considering he had a .621 OPS last year against LHP (And he has crushed LHP his entire career, from minors until now)...he has a lot more trade value then a double a RP. I'm not saying he's a huge commidity, but his value is not that low, expecially considering he's making the minimum and club controlled for 4 more years.

Willingham is also one of the players that has more value to his team than in a trade. He's a very solid player, nothing more, and he's a player you savior while he's club controlled. There's basically no chance of Willingham being traded, atleast pre-arbitration.

I also think you overrated Mike Jacobs value. He's essentially been the worst starting firstbaseman two years running, taking into consideration both offense and defense. Can he get the three-peat in '08?

Matt Garza profiles as a young #2/#3. am I giving him up for david dejuses? hell no.

HAHAHAHA, Dejesus is worth a 2/3 starter? What planet do we live in that that could be said. 2.1 wins from a 27 year old is NOTHING.

People beat up Sox fans for overvaluing players all the time but come on. We would be happy to get a decent bullpen arm for Crisp, who was a 6 win player last year, but Dejesus is worth a 2/3. If Dutton believes that, he should be fired. Please don't give me the salary junk. He makes about 10M for the next 3 years to Crisps 10 over the next 2. The extra year does not make up for the complete lack of production.

Dejesus is proven, hahah, classic. If proven to be average AT BEST, than sure.

Go name the Legit Centerfielders with an OPS of over .800 this year, and play great defense.

Because that's EXACTLY what DeJesus was in 2005-2006. He had a down year. He's definitely the one I'd choose of Teahen/DDJ to return to form next year.

he played 120 games each in 05/06..... so in his first FULL year, he dips to .720 OPS. seems kind of fishy to me.

the extra month and a half killed him this year. look at his last two months of production. in '06, he played 10 games in april and may. in '05, he played 1 game in september. i just dont think a 28 year old outfielder who doesnt put up a full years worth of good stats is worth a young #2/#3 starter, but royals fans, i guess you can call me crazy.

"If you understand anything about baseball's economics, then you'll understand how high DeJesus's trade value is."

Agreed. It takes a New Yorker to bring logic to a discussion.

I would throw up if the royals gave away dejesus for the high tempered baby olsen.. he isnt that good.. he had success in 06 big deal.. he plays in the TERRIBLE NL Central.. and dejesus had a .800 ops in a great pitching AL central.. get real olsen would get just rocked in the al central i would be so mad

is anyone else thinking the cardinals and the royals could hook up? young starter? - anthony reyes; young corner OF with pop?- chris duncan; long term catcher?- bryan anderson. the cards could use teahan at 3rd

why do people talk about VORP like a major league GM responsible for a multimillion dollar businesss isnt aware of this stat?

jus cuz some dork comes up with his/her version of perceived value, doesnt make it the end all.

GMs and scouts arent paid to look up stats and pay for the 1 with the best numbers. they are paid BIG BUCKS to find players who have MORE to offer than their numbers say they do.

GMs arent paid to find market value. they are paid to find UNDERVALUED assets. it takes more than VORP to find vlaue in this day and age in baseball.

ripwa, what did VORP tell you about john maine, oliver perez, gil meche and rafael betancourt prior to 07?

moore is the GM of the royals and I am not, because he can see the value in meche and i couldnt.

if they take olsen or dejesus, it wont be because of whta they've done. both GMs will only do it if they see star potential in the other.

I generally would agree with you, but you are talking about a 28 year old. He has been in the majors for 5 years. He has yet to put up a season that was much of anything.

So are you saying no stats matter? Are you saying something about Dejesus is undervalued? His FRAA last season was -14. He was only 9th CFers in FWS. He did manage to tied for fifth in RZR. Based on this, i don't see much about his D that is underrated.

Hitting, I already touched upon on RARP, VORP, EqA, and WARP. All of those are offensive stats or are heavily determined by offense.

So unless the undervalued thing is speed (which it could be) i guess all this is potential. He doesn't have rate stats that scream star. Below average ISOP, above average LD%, average GB rates, decent BB and K rates. Based on his rate stats, he isn't getting unlucky and based on his age no one should expect a big jump in his numbers. So i'm confused. Is it that Dejesus looks like he could be great? Wily Mo Pena looks like he could be the next Ryan Howard but was worth a AAAA player last season.

Obviously, I'm not as smart as Moore or any GM for that matter. I'm not arguing whether he could or couldn't get a #2/3 starter for Dejesus. I'm saying a 28 year old that has never had a WARP about 4.2 should not be worth a Rich Hill or Matt Garza or Wainwright or anyone #2/3 you can think of. There are tons of dumb GMs out there that will make trades like that, however, but that doesn't make it right.

Hey Focs "he plays in the TERRIBLE NL Central." When you try to say someone is terrible how about you know what division he plays in first. He plays in the NL East where Jose Reyes, Ryan Howard, Carlos Beltran, Brian McCann, Jeff Francouer, Jimmy Rollins, Aaron Rowand (last year), Carlos Beltran, Moises Alou, Ryan Zimmerman, Dmitri Young all played in last year. I would say thats better than the whole AL Central. Olsen isn't that bad, just look the whole Marlins staff did horrible last year does that mean they are all bad? No. You would be lucky to get a guy like Scott Olsen (who is only 23 years old) in a trade for DeJesus (who is 28 years old)

Swtnes34 this trade "Pierre and cash for Teahan." makes no sense at all for the Royals. The have Joey Gathright who is better and cheaper than Pierre. The Dodgers would probably have to pony up Jonathon Meloan to get Teahan.

Chuck James for DeJesus... this trade almost happened back in December. I can not imagine the Royals getting much more.

Since when is Chuck James a bonafide #3 with #2 upside?

Hey Tim i like these Rumor Royalty interviews, there interesting. I know you said you were trying to get Nick Cafardo from the Boston globe how is that working out?

Dejesus is definately being overrated. I think he is quite a good player, but a young #2/3 pitcher is exceptionally valuable. Young pitchers are probably the most valuable in the game, far more than a solid to above average in his prime center fielder. I think Chuck James would be a reasonably fair bounty. Other teams I can think of: Orioles (for Daniel Cabrera), Twins (for Slowey/Bonser/Baker), Pirates (for Maholm/Duke).

There really don't seem to be many teams shopping for a centerfielder at this point. Most teams either have a top prospect waiting in the wings and need a stopgap, or they have an established guy already locked in.

Dejesus is being vastly over rated if he's supposed to bring in a young cheap middle of the rotation starter. The guy screams "average". No power and no real speed. Take him out of CF and he's a well below average bat. Any team that's got a cheap middle of the rotation starter isn't going to give him up for a mediocre CF.

Joe Blanton is the type of player that I see falls under the young, cheap #2/#3 type pitcher and no way in hell does that equal David DeJesus. Chuck James is probably too much for the likes of David DeJesus.

I mean why trade for DeJesus, when Andre Either, a much better player, is probably available?

"I mean why trade for DeJesus, when Andre Either, a much better player, is probably available?"

Because Ethier isn't locked up to a cheap contract and isn't as good defensively in CF?

Granted, Ethier probably has a bit more upside, but as of right now DeJesus is still probably the better player and does have advantages other than pure offensive value.

I agree with you completely NYRoyal. A number 3 starter isn't to much to ask for for a player of DeJesus's caliber. I am a Brewers fan and would love to see the Brewers package up a deal surrounding Capuano or Dave Bush for DeJesus. I think it would benefit both teams. Maybe even swap Bush and Gwynn Jr. for DeJesus and the Royals would get both a pitcher and a good CF prospect. People underrate Dave Bush. He had 12 wins last year.

Like I've suggested before Scott Olsen for DeJesus. Olsen is better than Chuck James at least.

The problem with a Scott Olsen for Dejesus deal is that the Marlins have no need or desire for Dejesus. The Marlins aren't exactly a team loaded with pitching after dealing Dontrelle, so I think they would prefer to give him another shot and see if he can bounce back because he has a lot of potential.

Another reason why Dejesus for Olsen shouldn't even be brought up is a young man you might've heard of by the name of Cameron Maybin. Maybin, although probably not ready this year, is definately their center fielder of the future. His tools are unreal and he could become a superstar, so blocking him with a solid but nothing special guy like Dejesus would be just silly.

I hope we can end the Dejesus for Olsen discussion now.

Maybin + Willingham is > Maybin + DeJesus....you're talking about a 26 point difference in OPS+

And you want somebody of Maybin's calibur in CF...

And Jacobs would get absolutely nothing in return. Although I support Willingham to first to get rid of Jacobs, you then fill LF with a good bat, not a sub-par hitter in DeJesus. DeJesus in center, Maybin in left, and Willingham at first would be worse then having even an average offensive left fielder, Maybin in center, and Willingham at first.

Andddd you don't sell low on Scott Olsen. Trading him now would be selling him for pennies on the dollar. As others have said, he has very good potential, but he's coming off a horrible year...you don't cut your losses now, not with a 23 year old picther with good upside who has 4 more years of club control.

Moore rejected the James trade so he obviously values DDJ more than a sub par NL #3. As a Royals fan it would be nice to see a return of several close to ready MLB prospects. For instance BAL matches up well with Reimold and Patton, Atl trading most of their arms last year makes a trade tough but Lillbridge would give an offensive upgrade at ss and then James maybe. Teahen would get a similar return but both players with a solid first half could increase their vaule coming off below avg years so DM is going to have to be impressed with an offer to pull the trigger.