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The Adam Jones Degenerative Hip Rumor

UPDATE, 1-30-08 at 9:09am: John Hickey of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer calls Charles' report "completely unsubstantiated."

FROM 1-29-08 at 10:40pm:

This story got lost in the shuffle today.  Let's take a look at what we know about the Adam Jones degenerative hip rumor.

  • The rumor originated with Stan Charles, publisher of a Baltimore sports weekly called Press Box.  Charles appeared on the Mark Viviano Show on ESPN 1300 Tuesday afternoon. 
  • Unfortunately I did not hear exactly what Charles said - the show may be up for download on Wednesday.  But the gist of Charles' rumor based on emailers who listened is that the Orioles believe Jones has a degenerative hip condition.  They are trying to use this leverage to get more players for Erik Bedard.  The Orioles saw firsthand how quickly a degenerative hip killed Albert Belle's career.
  • Roch Kubatko of the Baltimore Sun: All I can say about the topic is that the Orioles became concerned with something related to Jones, and the fact that they wanted to bring him in for a physical before alerting Bedard's agent that a trade agreement was reached should send off signals. But we've heard nothing up to this point about his hip.  Kubatko implied that Charles was in dangerous territory with his claim.


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Okay this is just getting stupid. As an Orioles fan I say make the deal.NOW!! Eevn if it is true that he has a degenrative hip which I doubt will really be a problem over their controlled years with him, the package still is better then the twins just got or at least equal. Let's move on already.

I agree with you joemorgan#1, but as a Mariners fan. The M's are giving the O's a better package then what the Twins will get from Santana. This needs to just finish so we can move on.

Also, for your new design that you are planning on making Tim, I have added pics into my posts on my Mariners blog (http://www.tbcmariners.blogspot.com/) and it looks pretty good. Be great of you if you were to check it out and maybe get the word around so we can get more mariner discussion going.

I just have such a hard time believing this. Adam Jones was a highly-touted prospect from the time he was 16. He had the best season of his life last year. Considering his high profile in the baseball world, I just can't believe that we would have never heard about a degenerative hip condition until right now.

I read on RotoWorld that Kubatko said reporting something like this is so dangerous because of its "possibly impacting a young athlete's reputation and future earnings." This is so true. If it turns out that Jones does not have a degenerative hip, this guy Charles is going to have a lot of explaining to do. He might have a pink slip in his future as a result.

Thanks Jake, finally someone who gets how you determine the roses from the bull sh*t! Of course we would've heard something by now and before the players are drafted they get physicals, so if he was genetically pre-disposed than we would've seen him drop in the draft when he was coming out of H.S. If the Mariners knew about it, they wouldn't have been holding on to him for so long and would've moved him for the first piece of real estate in a landlocked ice-covered rural community north of the 60th parallel. For common sense, the rest of you sure aren't proving it to be too common!

I am so sick of all this crap. I don't even want Bedard anymore. Bavasi needs to just throw up a middle finger to Baltimore and move on. This BS is getting neck high.

Okay, how about we make a trade for Rich Hill and give them Balentien, Tillman, Butler, and Mickolio... Then they can sort it out with Baltimore and have extra pieces to get their 7 for 2 trade done! It'll be win, win, win!

kubatko's blog rant isn't reliable or persuasive. press box is a free sports paper (not sure if it is still free) that started a few years ago. Despite being free and having limited staff, Press Box is pretty much as good as the Sun's sports section. It gets a lot of local play (and now national) which has negatively affected the Sun.

Even if I agree with him that the writer made a mistake, he sounds pretentious and pompous when he states, "But nobody at The Sun would go on a radio show and blurt out this kind of information...". And the Sun's sports section grows more lame by the minute.

I'm not buying it... Why would the Mariners hold onto Jones for this long if he had something this serious going on with his body?! If you don't know by now, then you will some day learn that there is no such thing as "free press" everyone has a price and pays up or sells out at some point! If it's been that successful, someone owns them by now! Look at MySpace, that crap is owned by Fox! It's free to the user, but Tom or whoever runs it made LOOT!! I just can't see this coming up after two months of feverish negotiations. It's not denial, just common sense...

JoeMorgan,
I'm not saying he has a hip condition but if he does have a degenerative hip, I doubt he plays baseball much longer at all. It's not a minor injury. If Jones has a bad hip then that would easily make this deal a major bust for the Os.

I will admit that Angelos is not a good owner. And I will admit that this rumor could just be floated out there to gain some kind of leverage for Baltimore, as everyone in Seattle likes to believe.

But no one ever suggests that the rumor of Angelos holding up the deal could also be cover for the Mariners' FO as well. They haven't been able to get anything done in 2 months with the Bedard trade. If they end up failing to add Bedard, now they can just go back to their fans and say, "Well, we tried as hard as we could but Angelos is totally unreasonable!"

baseballguru I like that idea. I am not sure if the Cubs would even be interested in trading Hill at all (I could understand if they werent), but if they could swing him out to Seattle for a batch or prospects, they could definitely have the pieces to get Bedard and Roberts. They might even have some nice depth left over. The question is, how much of an upgrade is Bedard over Rich Hill, and then plus Brian Roberts. I guess you just have to figure out what it is worth to you to get roberts at second and get an ace pitcher and swap out your number 3 guy. Dont know if it would work out but its an interesting idea.

baseball guru:"If you don't know by now, then you will some day learn that there is no such thing as "free press" everyone has a price and pays up or sells out at some point!"

not sure if this is directed towards my comment, but i didnt say anything about "free press". i said the paper "press box" is free to consumers. despite being free and starting only a few years ago, it competes pretty well with the sun. kubatko's need to rip into a rival paper is lame.

that's all i said, not really sure if you were trying to give me a lesson on corporate structure or the media industry, but save your breath.

why would you include the price into what you are talking about, as if 50 cents gives the credibility or loses it for them?!

As in free press is supposedly only biased reporting done in this country. What about Charles just coming out with something as lame as a degenerative hip disease?! As if that's reasonable to speculate publicly about in the way that he did! It sounds like this Charles guy is as bad as the dude that insulted the Rutgers Women's Basketball Team for all being black... Certain things you keep to yourself and speculation about an injury report you know nothing about is lame for him to talk about. How does Charles a guy that works for a start up newspaper have information about Adam Jones and his malady and yet the half billion dollar Orioles know absolutely nothing until the last minute?!

The point is that Angelos is worth billions, who knows if a brother of a mother of an cousin's kid knows the guy running it and he dropped them 20,000 to come up with that crap story to degrade his value. Sure it's a reach, but the point is you either believe all of what you read in the newspaper or none of it, you can't pick and choose which article you want to pick to be credible. So Jones was traded and then this came up as a form of altering the trade in some manner whether to replace Jones, increase the package, etc.

I meant unbiased reporting...

i dont think you understand what i am saying. i definitely dont understand what point you are trying to make. guess we're not on the same page.

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